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I just saw the original 1989 episode history of the Goldenbaum Dynasty yesterday. they show the development to the 150 year war in a whole documentary.
Where?
@@Mainly_musa40 and 56 were history focused if I recall correctly
The original show is way better.
@@PrazerComFormatinho same
This franchise is one of the best space operas I've ever seen
The original lotgh is a masterpiece, this remake is more a generic version for younger audience.
I have not seen the remake (although I wouldn't mind picking it up again). I thought/hoped it would be the same story with updated graphics. Although it's been too long for me anyway to remember all the details of the story anyway
Well, like i said this new version is R - 13 made for a younger audience.
You see more shine battles than political intrigues and drama.
This ramake don´t have axes battles or ground battles and graphics gory deaths like in the original.
The dialogues and script are dumbed down too.
They have less time to make a decent worldbuilding and characterization.
This results in more shallow characters:
Like Yang in the remake is just a lazy guy, in the original he is a depressive alcoholic, Kircheis acts like Reinhard and in the original he is his moral compass.
And you have to turn off your brain to watch this ridiculous script:
Like Yang turned into the hero of el facil just sitting and drinking tea or Kircheis winning against Kastrop just stationing his ship.
The original have a beautiful art style the characters have unique faces and a good human body language.
This remake have beautiful spaceships but the characters have generics faces and look less humans
if you take off the uniform you will see kuroko no basket characters or any others works production ig made.
You can watch and enjoy the battles, this is the only thing this ramake is good.
But remember, the original OVA series turned into a classic because of the characters, brilliant dialogues, worldbuilding, well made script, use of classic/romantic music and a singular graphics style for a space opera, not for the battles.
The whole series should be on UA-cam
@@lain5858 Agreed, the original is like watching a opera show, while DNT is like those action movie that look pretty on the teaser trailer, but everything else come second, it's like they want to sock up the audience with a attention span of 2 min
to me...DNT is almost like logh but every single characters become handsome squidward
Biggest irony, both the remake and the original, is that he became a historical inspiration point that led to downfall of Goldenbaum and Free Planets Alliance.
Goldenbaum dynasty was overthrown by a military officer who took his path but deconstructed his aristocracy who became too complacent and decadent from his "best of the best" mentality.
Free Planets Alliance fell because they refuse to listen to Yang assuming that he would become Goldenbaum despite having little to no interest in power-grabbing.
I think you are forgetting that the free planets flaw was more the shortsightedness from the elected politicians that were interested in getting reelected and therefore making a war a relief operation when they had difficulty sustaining themselves.
That's what makes Rudolf such a great villain: His actions were so brutal and widespread that it casts a wide shadow CENTURIES after his death. That's inter-generational trauma for you.
The free planets fell because their citizenry became cynical and apathetic. Reinhard himself states that if they still carried the idealistic zeal of the founders that he would have lost.
Free planets alliance fell because of the fact it was in a fight for its survival since its founding and foreign interference through the church wanting theocracy and Job Trunet whose plan was for the FPA to fall and to spread democratic values through the empire from the inside similar to yang's plan
While I do like the uniforms I find it bad that they made him look evil. The great thing about the original was that he looked quite normal but with charisma. This remake is just: Yeah here is an evil guy who is evil looking.
Yeah, original Rudolf design was very grounded and realistic. This one was to much "Hollywood".
@@billsykes2977 Hollywood? Bad guys exist and they act like bad guy, i see this every day in congress in my country (Brazil) and outside
I want to say is that bad men exist and they do that angry face alot... this doesn't exist only in the movies, and i sawn the originals, but he do a angry face too
Yeah, I got to agree with this one.
well he WAS basically a nazi. forced sterlization/euthanation of the 'genetically Inferior' strongman authoritarianism, a strong belief in social darwinist ideas.
The ships in the classic looked very distinct especially through history. The ships in this overall just look like technoclutter pulled out of an algorythmic image generator.
Honestly I like this anime ships design more than the original ,they stand out more for both faction.
The original is way better in almost every aspect. Also this story of Rudolf Goldenbaum is much shorter and over simplistic, it doesn't explain anything of why and how did he raise to absolute power.
For anyone who believes that a single man like Rudolf could not have possibly done so much changing damage to a nation/society and still retain absolute power and a strong sense of worship/support, then I would like you to point to the examples of Mao Zedong. Literally both Rudolf (Inferior Genes Exclusion Act) and Mao (Great Leap Forward) enacted genocidal policies on their own people and still remained strongly in power and even significant support. Both Mao and Rudolf despite murdering millions/billions of their own people still was revered similar to a God after their death.
For those that can't believe that Rudolph can turn an advanced/modern democratic republican interstellar society into space 18th century feudal Prussia, then Mao also a similar thing with the cultural revolution, where he effectively wiped out millennia of Chinese traditional culture and replaced it with his own preferred one with his own cult of personality. What really scares me so much is how easily the masses can be manipulated by ruler and state, and in some cases how little they can matter to a state as well. Mao killed around 50 million people and that only strengthened his power, Rudolph literally killed around 4.9 billion people and dramatically decreased the entire population of humanity, like literally when the Galactic Empire started, there were 300 billion people in the Galaxy. By the time of LOGH, literally only 25 billion people were left. That is so scary that a state can do so much damage to people with no real danger to its authority, and this again parallels in China where the one child policy has put China's demographics in terminal decline.
We may think people like Rudolf and the rise of the Galactic Empire can only exist in fiction, but they have existed many times in history before, and might very well exist again.
old Rudolf looked better, maybe they wanted the audience to dislike him more? However the addition of pickelhaube is a nice touch
the old is way better in character design thats for sure
1:10 just noticed there is an explanation for why most of their planet's don't have any modern city's. I figured it had to do with sustainability of planets over multiple generations but it sounds like it was actually put in place as a type of social conditioning to except the nobles and to prevent large gatherings.
Where's the Fatass Striptease Ladies? Where's gory dead bodies?
Yep, sadly because it's a TV format, and the modern anime, it won't show that stuff that was used to portray a degrading society.
I really prefer the 90's OVA because it was much more...detailed.
Come on, Fatass Striptease Ladies are the best thing of Episode 40.
Dnt has only gone to like ep 26 of the ova, they will get to part you mentioned in the upcoming season
Meh, I found that to be a weakpoint of the original series. The so-called 'moral decay' in the books was mostly an economic issue where a small few reaped all the wealth while the majority of the people were poor.
Dude, this is kinda like eps 3-4 man wtf-_
@@KrasMazovHatesYourGuts the moral decay of the original is based on the real life moral degeneration in countries like the weimar republic
if only they knew how bad it could get
To see those futuristic skyscrapers give way to medieval revival, against the backdrop of that sombre music, was so sad. Rudolf von Goldenbaum ended the degenerate decline of the Galactic Federation by turning back the clock of human civilisation by a few centuries too many. A stark warning about the decline of higher civilisation and the emergency measures taken when it can no longer be ignored.
Wow they paraphrased the fuck out of the original
It's too damn short.
True.
Here's the longer version from episode 40 of the original series: ua-cam.com/video/2OBKSsL0neM/v-deo.html It's 8 min long.
This is only the first season. They have plently of time to expand upon the history.
@@tcc5750 can u re-upload it in dailymotion or some other platform
@@JMulli I now this is probably a bit late but apparently they're going to add 3 full length movies to finish up the story, or at least do a majority of it, undoubtedly this will not do the original OVA Justice, and may or may not do the books justice, most likely not.
Just going to skip over the part were Rudolf had 4 billion people mass murdered because of the Inferior Genes Exclusion Act
???
Jesus Christ, I am not really sure about this new series, I felt the old one did flesh out the story far more, however the remake does one thing better than the old, it creates better drama sequences, flow and overall just looks much better, while the old one had issues with some scenes just being too damn short and the talk scenes just flashing by really quickly also skipping over some parts like the infighting between the royals when the Kaiser died.
That gets mentioned later on in the same episode of this scene, I guess they felt in no point of repeating it.
Rudolf is historically inspired by Adolf Hitler
@@irawilliams343 Indeed. Not only is his name phonetically similar, but he also achieved dictatoral power in much the same way; by winning popular votes of a crumbling democracy.
This show is currently in it's third season SMGJohn, and I personally recommend it.
Yes it goes faster than the original that is certain, but honestly I'm starting to find the speed of the novel to be similar to the speed of Die Neue These interestingly enough.
If you've seen the original, I recommend the new. If you've not seen the original but is watching the new, I recommend to check out the original.
They're both good.
@@irawilliams343 more like adolf hitler, josef stalin, mao zedong, mussolini, napoleon and all of the other existing dictators in our world combined into one person.
In an episode of LOTGH: NT, Yang Wen Li mentions that he admires Rudolf Goldenbaum. His methods may be ruthless but he solves most the problems during his time period. Unfortunately he has also sown the seeds of new problems which now plagues the time frame of Reinhard Von Lohengramm and Yang Wen Li.
С вашим сердцем дизайн, вы будете очаровывать свой разум с его преимуществами.
ルドルフのゲルマン文化復古趣味から高層ビル壊しまくってヨーロッパの都市風に建て替えまくってああなったのね。
もしルドルフが日本民族で「神聖不可侵なる銀河幕府将軍」だったら、幕末の江戸の写真みたいな世界観になっていたのか・・・
@@TheHaimani なんか草
@@TheHaimani 銀河幕府で草
Wow they skipped like 90% of the details lmfao
旧作では、久米明さんのゲストナレーション回あったね。
I don't think this is supposed to be a recap of 88's ep 40 if this is just ep 3. I do remember a short recap of Earth's history being told early on in the series so maybe they're saving a detailed version of it for later...but yeah I'm not feeling this version, the '88 series had a vintage look to it that was suitable. I think the clean art is a little "too" clean if that makes any sense and that takes away from the aura/mystique/charm or w/e you wanna call it.
Probably sticking closer to novel's pacing, which openned with history of earth and goldenbaum dynasty, granted the 88 version moved scenes around to flow more smoothly and chronologically compared to the original novel (which at times was all over the place.)
I'm irrationally pissed off at how they did Earth dirty. I love Earth, it's a great planet.
We can't blame planet Earth, as it is the Fatherland of humanity. But we also can't blame the Black Flag army for bombing Earth, considering the bullshit the UEG (United Earth Government) did to Earth's colonies. Otherwise, humanity won't progress. It's all the UEG's fault; they're supposed to work for the interests of humanity.
This series looks awsome
ナレーションは「国民投票によって首相に、議会によって国家元首に」。
字幕は「国民投票で国家元首に、議会によって首相に」。
順序が支離滅裂で草
Sizi bir kaç kez izleme fırsatı buldum.
У меня была возможность наблюдать за тобой несколько раз.
Kalbinizi tasarımıyla, aklınızı avantajlarıyla büyüleyecek.
Where do u find the audiobook to LotGH?
at lest Earth still looks alive.
Could they have made Rudolph Goldenbaum look more obviously evil?
Billions must die.
ルドルフは頬髭ではなくカイゼル髭にしてよりゲルマン回顧趣味感を引き出して欲しかったな
旧作でも、ルドルフ大帝になった後の演説シーンで、
ガイゼル髭じゃなく、
頬髭スタイルだから、問題な
い。
1988 adaptation Rudolph is better IMO.
Am sorry am new to this. Is this based on a book? People in the comments seem to know a lot.
Yeah yeh, it is based on a book and has an original anime
First came the books, then the Original Anime which was obviously based off the books but expanded on it and took different directions at certain parts. This new series is very faithful to the books but lacks a lot of what made the series loved with the first anime adaptation
@@ptfodity The remake isn't really that faithful though, both adaption deviate fairly hard.
Make a video of This Sceene In English Dub Please
But... where did the nobility come from..? It makes it seem like there was already a nobility when Rudolf took power?
DNT kind of flew over this. Nobility in LoGH was originally politicians and public officials who supported Rudolph (current regime ass lickers, if you want).
Male what is this nas?
Of course space hitler was gonna be bad, look at how bad his facial hair is drawn. It's like the animators never saw a human before this.
More like a space napoleon to me.
what do you think of democracy vs monarchy
Both are flawed systems but they can work given the right laws and regulations .
Democracy is a glorified popularity contest and monarchy is a genetic lottery .
Elective monarchies and semi democracies are different like a blend of both systems .
@@Valencetheshireman927 Elective monarchy is also a system where the persona of the ruler is completely dependent of the nobility, so its a bad idea. See the Visigothic Hispania, Papacy and Holy Roman Empire.
@Jorge Bersabe-An elected monarch is not a system where the persona of the ruler is dependent on nobility . If you look at the Roman Empire which was an elective monarchy that wasn’t the case so it’s not a bad idea . Republican democracy is far worse because it is basically just a glorified popularity contest , not exactly the best way for choosing a leader .The papacy was a theocracy so it didn’t have a nobility , look up what the Papal state was before you use it 💁♂️😬.
@@Valencetheshireman927 While the Papacy still uses it, it worked for them due to that reason, but keeps the pope dependent on the conclave, just like the kings on the nobility, which unfortunately ended up on bloodbaths and the election of unsavory characters as popes(eg. Pornocracy).
The king in the FEUDAL age was dependent on the nobles but that doesn’t mean it was a “bloodbath”. The medieval period as a whole was quite bloody but that’s not the fault of the kings and the nobility’s who ran most of the world . The Kingdom of Jerusalem is an example of an elective monarchy that works.
こういうゴールデンカムイ顔は攻めたな〜と思うけど他の全てが小綺麗過ぎる。
The Gundam would've turned it into the One Year War instead
This completely misses the original premise. Rudolf here is just space Hitler. The character design suggests that as well so they very obviously are showing a "good" and "bad".
Also holy shit they cut out all of the story and all of the nuance too. This is comparable to Star Wars now in terms of political complexity.
A remake much like all other remakes nowadays; cuts out all nuance and story, makes generic plot, hires people to make the anime look good because that's literally the only thing companies care about nowadays, ignore the source material and hype the shit out of it.
Well even the original series Rudolf wiped out 90% of mankinds population over super idiotic reasons and reduced most of the rest to serfdom.
The guy was nunanced in the way Hitler was nunanced. Both came from nothing, rose to absolute power and generally believed what they did was for the good of mankind despite well all evidence pointing out the opposite. In way Rudolf was even worse not only due to the far higher death toll and far more widespread persecution but due the fact that he himself suffered from genetic defects making him a giant hypocrite on top of everything.
Rudolf was always meant to be the "absolute evil guy just like hitler" in a way the his loss of attractivness is more realistic due to mankinds worst monsters usually not being particulary attractive themselves.
More like a space napoleon to me.
@@amirudinadnan7024 No, because of the genocide
@@zehirahsen874 every factions do genocides.
@@amirudinadnan7024 Bruh
I can see the resemblance between Galactic Federation flag and Free Planets Alliance flag
ルドルフって即位前からフォン名乗ってなかった?
ゴールデンバウムってユダヤ系が名乗るからあとからつけた可能性
the 1st emporer is gozilla
Tahtında Uygulaması
ザックリし過ぎ
それに、自由惑星同盟の国家のシンボルマーク変えてるし
旧作はフランスとかオランダに似てたからコンプライアンス的に不味かったんやろな
せめて同盟国歌は旧作と同じ方が良かった。8月新政府成立時、ポプランがユリアンの肩を掴んで歌い始め、合唱になるシーンがな・・・
So this is how democracy dies...
I like the remake of LOTGHNT... the original was too slow... but had a nice touch of music / epicness... In the Remake they make look Rudolf like a ''monster'' while in the Original he was a savior turned dictator/monster
I think they were afraid of triggering Western SJWs by painting a right-wing nationalist in a positive light.
the original is more realistic
the original definitely made Rudolf a more dynamic and polarizing character. Part of that is the original anime and the books go into much greater detail about how bad the situation was before he took over.
Except for the fact that he enacted white-supremacist feudalism (well, meritocracy but entrenched politics destroyed it) and even the historian believed that much of the society chose "quick solution", though the said person happens to praise Black Fleet even if they massacred Earth population so a grain of salt.
I kinda compare him to Firelord Sozin, like ending medieval stasis and cultural segregation enforced by Avatars yet destroyed Air Nomads and basically eliminated its peaceful elements (dancing, singing, dragons, and not bothering about commercial trades).
@death wish
In the original series he was portrayed in a more positive light besides just "white male nationalist bad" that the modern NPC left drones-on about. I'm complaining about how the new series glossed-over much of the depth of his character, and just paints him as a generic bad guy.
Then what happened with earth?
already abandoned and unhabitable
Most of it were left deserted and only religious fanatics remain. They called themselves Terraists, the people who worshipped the Earth viewing it as their mother and seek to make earth a center of the universe again
It fucking die
I’d say the old 40th episode of 1989 was better.
Entire >20 minutes episode been about the story of Galactic Federation and how its been reformed into Empire.
It shown why Rudolf became so popular and WHY he was elected by people.
And also, told why Heinessen been named Heinessen, how the FPA been formed and how Half Century Journey went.
Here we see pathetic piece of short in new graphic style. It looks really poor in info compared to Classic.
ルドルフの髭が中途半端だな。剃るか伸ばすかしろよ!
左思 伸ばそうと思いついて伸ばす途中説
無精髭。武将だけに
Man I just can't get over how much worse the art direction is in this. What were they smoking?
>White Male
pottery
Sneed.
I just can't get over the character designs. Just look at this guy. The remake lacks the nuance of the original.
Prussian Galactic Empire
YES but maybe Austro Hungarian Empire in books noblewoman dressed like Empress Elisabeth dressed with tight corsets and opulent long gown
Emma ini i
На тронном приложении
Completely skipped over the billions of people killed in his eugenics purge. Garbage remake what a tone deaf series to the original.
Rudolf did nothing wrong
#RudolfDidNothingWrong
The world needs a order
Rener Oslo
The old one explains it a lot better in my opinion
Pros of Rudolf:
1) Brought order to a failed democracy, massacred pirates, crushed crime and rebuilt a civilisation
2) ended years of stagnation and debauchery
3) was VOTED to become the emperor of mankind, hence VOTED, the people loved him that much because of his achievements to humanity
Cons
1) corrupted due to power
2) committed mass genocide to humans who have mental illness or genetic diseases
3) oppression of the people and striped thier rights from them
I won't say what Rudolf did was right, however taking in consideration of context of how he came to power and what it was like before his rule, I do believe what he did was nesscearry at the time, albeit a bit extreme
It is very light pros and cons, but the things that I thought stood out
From the time of the stagnation of the Galactic Federation, not really given that people were kind of in need of good leadership. But, Rudolf ended up creating more harm in the long run as he continues to gain power.
1:44 HAHAHAHA the creators of this show were definitely redpilled
*I THINK THE LOTGH REMAKE WAS BETTER THAN THE ORIGINAL*
Who cares?
You are crazy.
This remake is a shounen version with bland characters.
This is a soulless remake. Even the face animations are lame. Michael Bay fans enjoy this remake tbh!
12 episodes are enough to see if a serie is worth,
and the original OVAS´s first 12 episodes are much better, dialogues, characters and much better screenplay.
This remake explain the universe politics so poorly
They basically make Yang the hero of el facil just showing him drinking tea.
This episode was picked from the gaidens
So, watch the gaiden Spiral Labirnth episode 1 to see the diference
@brandotendie you don't need to wait for the remake to adapt the entirety of the novels to judge which one between the original and the remake is the better adaptation. All you need is just comparing the episodes aired to their counterparts in the original version
This remake is pathetic
Cool Stuff like you
Daniel Yudistira
Sick burn, m8. Nice
Like most remakes today
All the characters in this remake are so bland, this is a disservice to the original.
@death wish
I would didn't mind the new animation if the script are not so weak.
Wow, this version is vastly inferior to the original; lacking any and all depth of the original story which told of the stagnation, depravity and degeneracy which had taken hold over humanity, the achievements which made Rudolf rise to prominence, popularity and eventually taking power; how he curbed the degeneracy with totalitarian rule, new laws which led to the extermination of "inferiors" which included anything from physically to mentally disabled to even just being poor.... what a shit adaptation.
Also, fuck this ugly ass CGI.
Rudolf was a moron who damned humanity
I think they will take time to explain that part later.
前銀河英雄伝説とくらべで登場人物の画質の個性がない、だから観ててイライラする
それは貴方が古い方が好きってなだけ
@@usi-tmwegd イライラしない?
かなり歳の離れた兄がよく旧作の銀英伝を見てました。最初のテレビ版•リメイク版も私の場合はイライラはしないですね。
逆にゴリゴリ新しくしてイライラした別のアニメはありましたが、銀英伝は良くできてると思います。
艦船や戦闘機、制服 敬礼(同盟側は英国式) キャスト ナレーション。
同盟のローゼン•リッター連隊と帝国の装甲擲弾兵との白兵戦、ロイエン• タール大将とシェーン•コップ少将との一騎討ち(ロイエンタール提督は片手持ちのサーベルに対してシェーンコップ連隊長は両手握りのサーベル? など、制作側の考察が凄いと思いました。何より、西洋の剣士に伝わる互いに剣による挨拶(剣の持ち手を十字架の様に持つ) 礼式は感動しましたね。
私自身、ヤン•ウェンリー大将の台詞から学ぶことが多くあり、人生の参考にしています。
旧作は環境とラストへの流れを心が受け入れる準備ができていないので。見てません。
リメイク版は曲も良くて私的には満足です。
Wow, NT looks terrible (when spaceships are being shown fighting. the static space shots actually look great)
「西暦2801年、太陽系・・・」のナレーションから、すでに魅力のない声。
旧作の方が詳しかったから、大雑把過ぎる。時間と予算、人員が無いから内容薄すぎ。品質も低すぎる。低評価です。これならば、続編を作った方が良かったのでは?
そこまでこき下ろすなら見ないほうがいいのでは…自分は両方好きですがね
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キルヒアイスを失った時のラインハルトの取り乱し様は新作の方がよかったと思う
わかりやすい記号といわれてもあそこで涙まで流す事により、ひとりの人間としてなにを永遠に奪われたのかが強く印象に残る
旧作だと帝国軍最高司令官としての節度の範疇での嘆きみたいな大成した大人の態度に見えて、まだ21歳の青年でしかないラインハルトの素の部分が出ていない感じに見える
新作の演出で声が堀川氏だったら言う事無しの出来栄えだったんだけど
私は好きだけどね。古いのは見る気がしない
なんだこれ全然気が駄目じゃんやっぱり中国が作る docomo なっちゃうのかなまた永吉キモゴリゴリの最悪だからな