HDZero Goggles with the Walksnail VRX! : 60fps and 100fps Test
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- Опубліковано 7 січ 2023
- I have the most exciting combo i've tried this year! We have the walksnail vrx on the brand new hdzero goggles! The hdz goggles allow me to utilize the 720p 100fps mode on walksnail for the BEST possible experience you can have on the walksnail vrx. The picture quality is so good!
Let me know if you have any other questions in the comments below! I answer every question.
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That is pretty awesome. Might have to jump to this for my cinewhoops. Love my hd zero goggles so this would be a great addition! Good thing you can't see the green of the goggles while you've got them on your face 🤭
Your absolutely correct on the screen quality 👌 I can tell it's a step up from my HDO2 screens. Nice video 🤟👍
Thanks man!
Shheeeshhh looks so crispy 🤘
Thank you for this video!
No problem!
Have both the Walksnail VRX and the HDZero goggles on the way to me. Super excited :)
Gonna be an insane upgrade from my Aomway V1s.
You’re gonna love this setup! Truly next level especially coming from Aomway goggles!
I Love my HDZERO goggles!!! Now I have seen your video I want walksnail on my goggles too!!!
You should. It’s a great system
@@unger_cnc is the low latency mode working with the hdzero goggles? Do you feel more latency than analog or HDZERO?
@@airdevil21 yeah the 100fps mode is the low latency mode. It does have more latency than hdzero/analog. It won’t limit you and it’s easy to get used to especially since the image quality is so much better.
I haven’t tried the 540p race mode on the vrx through the hdzero goggles yet. Have only tried it on walksnail v1 goggles. That mode offers a really nice low latency that feels like fixed latency. It’s very stable like hdzero and doesn’t stutter. Image quality is notably worse. I prefer 720p 100fps.
@@unger_cnc Thanks for the explanation!
Nice comparison that image is looking real nice. I killed my 1s WS VTX in the second test flight… replacement should be here this week. A proper Micro version is coming soon as well, excited to get some snowy flights in myself
Thanks!
I love my Attitude V6, I kinda wish I went with HD Zero.
But Walksnail Avatar HD Pro didn't come to market until after the Fatshark Attitude V6.
Now I know what I'm missing out on.
The bright sunshine and plain white snow is enhancing your experience IMO. This and the oleds in the HDZero goggle....I can see Walksnail selling a lot of VRXs to HDZero goggle owners...🤔😳😏😏🇬🇧
Yeah I agree, less detail to encode with snow vs grass. Even so, it’s still very similar to dji with vista or air unit and now I get to enjoy oled screens and not need to bring 2 pair of goggles with me. And for guys who have never ran a system like this, will be astonished with how clear the image is.
@@unger_cnc Yes, I have the Walksnail Goggles and a VRX package...The oleds are killer in clarity...🤔😏😏😀🇬🇧
Great video, thanks. Where did you get the 3-D printed brackets for the Walksnail to the goggle Rail? Thanks
I 3D printed them myself. Lots of free designs on thingiverse.
Yes! 100fps mode on hdzero goggles makes this walksnail vrx usable for me now. I'm happy to have all video options in one goggle
Heck yeah! One goggle to rule them all!
The OLEDs of the hdzero goggles, aren't they 90Hz refresh rate ? If so how are they running 100Hz ?
@@hristiantodorov3923 oled runs at 100hz with 720p. It just works because Carl coded it. I verified with slow motion camera. Same screens as walksnail goggles
@@RyanQuellet lol usable now lol you can feel 15ms of latency huh lol i call bs
@@420247paul Yes, I can. And I've tested myself with an A-B testing tool. 99.9% confidence interval
Best combo you can get right now. But I disagree that it looks like the DJI O3. I have been flying it on the Goggles 2. And running at 100fps 1080p on OLED screens is just a whole different experience. It's like flying while using a session 5 as your FPV cam. It's SIIIIICK!
I was referrring to the V2 goggles vs this setup. Haven’t used the G2 goggles yet! Nobody around here has them so I can’t try them out lol
@@unger_cnc ahh man it's miles better. The 810p picture quality of the V2 goggles doesn't do justice to the O3 experience. But the latency is a bit better. But I have always hated the screens that dji used in those goggles. Theses systems really shine on oled. Plus you now have 1080p live feed on the oled. It's quite fantastic. So I chose dji O3 for my variable latency digital system. But for everything that I don't need the added penetration for I am usually grabbing my hdzero 1watt and apex for my style of flying and how latency sensitive I am these days.
@@JoeMommaFPV nice! I’ll have to try on some of the oled G2 goggles to see what the real experience looks like! The O3 system is amazing tho for sure.
I’m confused about the 720 vs 1080 p - when connected to my dominator version three goggles, the resolution is limited to 720 P but does it have a better resolution on the HT0 goggles?
@@tomsop nope I’m still running 720p on my hdzero goggles. The only differences in this test were between 60fps and 100fps. Your Dom v3 goggles are limited to 720p 60fps like most other analog goggles. Hdzero goggles can do 720p 100fps as well as 1080p 60fps. I prefer the higher frame rate so I stick with 720p.
The 1080p comment above was referring to the new dji system on their new goggles doing 1080p 100fps.
Hows it going man. Any idea how the latency of the vrx is compared to the actual walksnail goggles themselves?
Also. I have the patch antennas and i want to get the vrx but not sure how its gonna fit. Any idea on how to mount?. Cheers
Going good!
I find no difference in latency when using hdzero goggles with vrx. I’ve done side by side tests with the Walksnail v1 goggles.
I think someone made a 3d printed design on thingiverse that will fit over true rc patch antennas so you don’t have to take them off each time you wanna fly walksnail. I’m currently using a low profile clip on 3d printed mount for the vrx module and it’s quick to pop on and off.
That really shows the whole potentioal of the vrx.
Does the vrx have any downsides to the full goggles?
Vrx doesn’t really show any downsides at the moment. Only wish it would record 90fps instead of 60fps. Maybe walksnail will release an update to fix that.
@@unger_cnc Thanks!
Kinda want this setup! Now I wonder if I should of ordered these goggles instead of the dji g2…
It’s pretty sweet! And with these goggles, you can fly 3 systems!
Too many items to add to wishlist.... Now I realize that I need to sale my Skyzone04 and to buy an HDZero if I want to fully enjoy the Avatar VRX
Yes you do! Just sold my hdo2 goggles since the hdzero goggles can do it all.
Hey dudes, what kind of mount do you use for the vrx to mount on hd zeros? Great video. Thanks a lot.
There’s a bunch of different designs on thingiverse you can print out or get someone to print for you. They clip onto the rail system on the goggles.
@@unger_cnc thanks a lot. But „already printed“ mounts aren‘t sold somewere?
@@chrisffm go on Etsy and search hdzero goggle and you’ll see some for sale on there
Yeah, i did, they don‘t ship this items to germany. But i found a friend who can print it for me. Thanks a lot
How are you mounting the VRX to the goggles? It looks like you attached it to 2 of the 3D printed sliders that others use for individual patch antennas.
Yep that’s exactly it! There’s a few different designs for the rail mounts. Just attaches to those with double sided tape and I can pop off the vrx really quick if I wanna use hdzero instead.
Water (and ice) are pretty much opaque to RF! Especially microwaves (5.8 GHz video signals). Even more than rock and concrete. It’s why we use microwaves to cook food. That’s why you were losing signal behind the snow berm.
I knew it had something to do with that. Thanks!
@@unger_cnc fun fact: same reason submarines can’t use radio communications when submerged. It doesn’t work!
Where did you get the 3D prints to mount the VRX to your goggles?
There’s a variety of designs on thingiverse. If you don’t have a printer, you can go on Etsy and find some for sale. Should be a couple guys selling them on there.
JB learned today that there is a BETA firmware coming out for the Fatshark HDO2's to do 100 FPS!
Really? I watched his video quick but I didn’t hear him mention the hdo2 goggles having a beta 100fps mode. From my understanding, those screens are only capable of 60hz refresh rate so 100fps wouldn’t be possible.
You seem to be using both systems. HDZero and Avatar. How big is the difference in penetration for both systems when flying behind "big solid objects" like concrete walls or mountains when doing LR?
Haven’t really done any of that kind of flying lately. I can almost guarantee that the avatar system will outperform hdzero for penetration hands down. Since it can send and receive data packets, it’ll have the advantage for sure. Hdzero is great for low latency flying and it’ll work fine for freestyle and racing but you can’t really push your limits like you can with DJI or walksnail.
@@unger_cnc Right now I am using HDZero, but I want to stop racing and go back to more freestyle. That's why I am thinking of buying the avatar VRX (perhaps with the HDZero goggles)
@@kumquad_fpv you’ll like it. Then you can keep some of your hdzero stuff and still fly the avatar system too. I’m in the same boat pretty much. I don’t do a bunch of racing but it’s nice to have hdzero if I do actually get out. Once you go hd, it’s hard to switch back to analog.
@@unger_cnc yeah that's right. First thought my analog quads were broken when I flew them the first time after switching to hd
Good afternoon. Please tell me, I'm not good at this. VRX X1 this thing takes a digital signal and converts it to analog, or I'm wrong.
Not sure what the vrx x1 is.
But the walksnail vrx shown here is digital. The goggles accept an hdmi input and displays the digital video sent by the vrx.
Can't tell difference between 100fps and 60fps from this youtube video. It is amazing how the human eye/brain can adjust and work with low and high definition experiences. Probably best to up the flying skills than spend on maximum fps
Yeah walksnail doesn’t render in 100fps dvr video. More of a firsthand experience video.
i'm having problem if i use 1080p in VRX. everything seems like 24fps. did you experience this also?
Yes. Hdzero is working on the goggle firmware to help with this. I guess 60hz input skips frames. You’ll just have to run 720p/100fps for now until they fix it.
@@unger_cnc thank you. i thought I'm the only one with this problem hehehe
Have you tried the new HDzero?. Wanted to see what you think in comparison with the walksnail.
Can certainly do a side by side. Yes I’ve tried the new 90fps cam from hdzero and it’s awesome but the resolution is only 960x540p in that mode. Could do a 720p 60fps comparison though.
I meant the new HDzero goggles.
@@713Ace529 these are the hdzero goggles. I haven’t tried the walksnail goggles tho, so I can’t comment on those vs hdzero goggles.
I am still waiting for my HDZero goggles to come. Can you tell me what my first steps should be?
Update to the latest firmware on the hdzero site. That should be the only thing you need to do right away.
Very cool.i very whant this ,but in my country delivery not work
Dang that’s too bad! Hopefully more delivery options open up in the future for you.
Please help me decide here. I want to get hdzero goggles and avatar vrx for them to fly Walksnail and still have hdzero and analog capabilities. But am now worried about the added latency from the module and hdmi input. Do you know the difference in latency between hdzero with avatar vrx vs avatar goggles? Thank you!
Added latency is like 3-4ms from hdmi. So basically you won’t notice any difference in latency if you used the WS goggles vs hdzero goggles with vrx. Hdzero goggles are definitely the best option right now. They offer so much more than the WS goggles. From what I have researched, humans can only detect 12-15ms latency changes. So 3-4ms added on hdzero with walksnail vrx would be virtually impossible to notice.
@@unger_cnc thank you very much for your replies sir! I guess my mind is made up now!
@@unger_cnc well one more question if you don’t mind. I really only plan to fly Walksnail. But am the type who likes options as well. Should I still go with hd0s?
@@TTGZDOG I would still go with hdzero goggles. I hear the walksnail screen field of view isn’t as big and the goggle fitment isn’t the best. Plus if you go walksnail goggles, it leaves you no options for expandability. Hdzero gives you lots of ways to expand.
@@unger_cnc thanks again man. Just needed someone to justify the 900$ I’m about to spend on fukin fpv goggles and a camera
What quad are you flying?
Flying a custom frame I designed. I show it in my first walksnail vrx video. It’s a 5” frame designed to fit any video system and have protection for the electronics.
@LukesVids26 - thanks. I currently have the Eachine 800D goggles and looking to upgrade, just haven't decided to what yet. I've heard the Cobra X v2 is a noticeable improvement but then again I'm also hearing the HD Zero goggles in analog is even better.
@@grege2383 the cobra x goggles would be a good natural upgrade since you already have box goggles. They have the hdmi input too so you can use hdzero or walksnail. But the hdzero goggles have better image quality due to the oled screens. Would be a bigger upgrade for sure.
what is the latency on hi bit rate 100fps?
It was saying 24-25ms in the goggle osd. I’d say it feels pretty close to that.
how did you change to 100 fps
The goggles auto detect from the hdmi source. So just set your walksnail vrx to 720p “high frame rate” and it will be 100fps.
@@unger_cncso I have the hdzero goggles and bought the WS vrx bundle with the ws avatar pro kit 32gb, it says it supports 1080p 100fps on the website do you know if that is true or not ? I can only get 100fps in 720p
Edit: looking at the vrx specs it does say only 1080p 60fps. So can you only get 1080p 100 with the Walksnail googles and not the vrx ?
High bit rate is going to cause more packet loss. You will send and receive more data, but it is not different data. You should fly low bit rate and high FPS for the best experience.
And in theory 720p should give you a better flight performance than 1080p.
Thanks for the insight! Makes sense with how you explained it.
You can't focus all of the screen on those new DJI goggles. The edges are blurry..... Technically flawed....🤔😳😏🇬🇧
Oh really? That’s a bummer!
@@unger_cnc Yes, it's a known problem...🤔😏😏🇬🇧
Stutterings? No?
Yeah 60hz wasn’t very good. It was flyable on that older firmware but it’s really bad on newer firmware. 100fps is butter smooth.
Higher bit rate = more break-up on WS fyi
Thanks for the info!
interesting ... so is the higher bit rate only good for flying cinematic indoor for now until WS update firmware or a good pair of patch antennas will solve the issue ?
@@gonebdg I think some better antennas would certainly help. Plus I just noticed my head was facing the baseball field the whole time. The trees were off to the left and my head was slightly facing right.
I’ve noticed this myself today. It’s something you wouldn’t expect especially coming from DJI but - the higher bit rate setting does make it worse, just works differently on WS.
@@JohnCuppi funny part is the lower bit rate looks very similar. Only a slight drop in image quality vs dji where 25mbps kind of sucks
They have only 720@90FPS, not 100FPS
No it’s 720p 100fps for the walksnail system. Go check the specs. Hdzero has a 540p 90fps cam that also looks amazing.
Yeah bardwell just made a video and was talking about how Carl some how found 10frames to work with the 100 fps mode with walk snail. If you put it to 100 fps and your goggles dont support it, then your screen just goes blank. And you have to reset the walksnail vrx.
@@unger_cnc so the only problem that hgzero havent propher camera right now ?
*90 fps.