I have thought a lot about this (of course). I'm not sure if other INFJ's can relate, but for me personally, I believe that I dig so much into answering the question "why am I alive" because I don't feel as though I belong. I never have. I genuinely have never felt deeply connected to anyone in my life. When I talk to people, I feel like I have to "dumb down" in a sense. If I don't, I come off as a lunatic. Either way, I feel like an alien everywhere, always. If I can confirm the reason for my existence, it will help to justify the suffering. My example is probably more extreme than other's because I have severe Bipolar Disorder (II).
You seems to be interested in astrology I feel we need to understand ourselves or get insight of own self in term of matter and energy. Different astrologists brings different perspectives from their own soul or inside We have to listen to them and filter out I truly believe no one perfectly understand the mystery or beauty in universe but each individual bring something in them to the conscious level. It helps wake up something inside us ua-cam.com/video/DHvzF32Anqs/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/SNoVQATJfmY/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/AwV1FiYFjJo/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/eXgcPa_72uU/v-deo.html
We need to understand our inner energy such as dynamic interaction of rising/moon/sun energy in us and birth chart as whole as much as our personality to overcome struggles! It helps us wiser and stronger 😇👽 Your inner struggles would be subsided enormously. Cheers 🐥 Ps; no separation b/w science and spirituality ua-cam.com/video/BKrN8vqAAVg/v-deo.html
One fact is 99 % of each atom is space significantly orbiting by electrons. If All atoms in One human body crashed all space it’s only an apple size. We need to break the barriers b/w reality and spirituality so we can access our whole being as individual but capitalism and technology blind our mind and disconnect from who we are but our consciousness is constantly oriented by materialism. It truly killing INxx types since they understand in depth of truths but reality push INxx types into the corner where they don’t fit anywhere unless they throw their soul and mind. Loss of INxx types is equal to loss of humanity Ps; This entire human race already entered where following rules and guidelines is listening to science but not allowed to think further Just follow the rules and guidelines otherwise 👽 Technology is truly scary!
Think of it this way. Were little ants meant to be together to help one another form an army to protect our human existence. We're here to help one another coexist; to protect our resources, children, etc.. to serve one another if you wish. You're here to make any contribution you can. Since there are others who are bipolar you may find some bit of advice or something that you have learned that may make a huge difference in someone else's life that has bipolar if you just shared it. By doing that small act you would probably be amazed at how connected you may really be. You just have to find that person or persons who need your help. I know there has to be something you can share that could benefit someone else. The negative thought you need to drop is the one that makes you think you don't belong because you do belong. You just haven't found your tribe. When that nasty thought comes in that tells you that you don't belong talk back to it and tell it yes you do belong. Now get out of here you negative little thought. You have the power within you to fight back this negative way of thinking or feeling. Just remember no one is perfect. No one. No one is any better than you. We all are deformed in some kind of way. If you don't belong then no human being belongs therefore you must belong. If that's the case why are we all here? Why are all the snowflakes different? It would be boring if we were all alike.
“Where am I? Who am I? How did I come to be here? What is this thing called the world? How did I come into the world? Why was I not consulted? And If I am compelled to take part in it, where is the director? I want to see him.” ― Søren Kierkegaard
te-rrific take on existentialism AsuraPsych. early on I accepted the idea of death. I did seek meaning in life and I learned early on that this question bothers, triggers or upsets most human peoples. I learned to ask my Books instead, si-gh.
I do want to see him. Reading it I immediately noticed it's exactly the kind of thing I go after in living experiences. Now, that's especially true if it is in such deep matters. If I were allowed I'd question way beyond why do I have to exist.
There's always a judgment around those things.. This raise the question 'What's wrong in being stuck?' In my experience, I kept pushing it and avoiding it because it left me seem depressed and maybe I believed that I was. But it kept coming back and I had to manage to be in this loop longer than usual.. Who am I and where do I exist? I think I'm inside this body but I can't find a location to say I'm in it.. After a while I had this awareness that I'm not inside the body and this ego thinks it's doing things, thinking, making decisions, etc.. If you feel like contemplating, just do.. The world won't collapse around you but back into you @@metametodo
Yes.Yes.Yes. Very accurate. I've literally told people "Either nothing matters or everything matters" and it totally makes sense to me! I have my job and family and a stable exterior but internally I fixate on existential ideas/spirituality all that. It would be surprising to many because I have left religion. I personally care deeply about finding some kind of resolution, whether it be found in a pattern, symbol, metaphor. I am constantly feeling out and asking unrelenting questions in my unconscious but it is also an area of thought that is too open and chaos is an inextricable feature. When I first wake up in the morning I find that I've been thinking about these issues non stop, even when I am not conscious. There is a very spiritually-open part of me that leans into analyzing and understanding different types of experience. It is mystical and yet somehow atheistic or skeptical at the same time. Sometimes I have found myself in a transcendent mind state and then for months or years I try to unpack such an abstract experience, trying to understand what is applicable in the real world and what is merely some kind of interesting personal delusion. I have thought that my commitment is high risk high reward because it is mentally and psychologically brutal to try to be honest and truth-seeking, and open to the possibility that the most disappointing reality might be the correct one. Doubt is painful and taxing. I enjoyed how you mentioned the role of Fe and how important it is to talk to someone, even if it is a little forced. I do not seem to seek out interactions with others but if I go a long time without getting social feedback I begin to feel it accumulate. It is important to have high quality interactions with honest, thoughtful people to balance all my crazy misconceptions and abstract notions. Thank you for this video! I thoroughly enjoyed it!
I remember those days... If i eat and sleep just to go to work just so i can keep on eating and sleeping, what's the point!? I felt like my life was so pointless and i had no reason to live. It was so painful that sometimes i would want to let go of the car steering wheel and just see what happens... this was for two years 16 - 18. Then at 5 AM one morning God gave me a purpose and life long goals that will mater in the face of eternity. I don't struggle with those things anymore. And believing in God is actually the most logical and rational conclusion to come to in light of observable facts and laws of science...
I would always find a way to come out of my NiTi loop a couple years ago because I had people to pull me out. But life changed suddenly and these people are not in immediate access to me anymore and this is the longest I have been stuck in the loop. I really wish I knew how to get out.
very true. However, Fe is a way to get out of the loop tends to have a temporary effect when the question(s)/problems that got me into the loop to begin with are very serious and 'existentially' fundamental. And with time, as those questions and problems accumulate, the effect of Fe and some Se activities becomes increasingly shorter and weaker... Btw, the conclusion(s) I come to are not necessarily extremes, and that's another complicating factor. ... I came to hate my type ... it's a burden that gets heavier by the year. ... it's exhausting
Something i would say is that even if an INFJ forces themselves to focus on the Fe world without having found purpose Ni will be aware of that making the INFJ conscious of the fact that they are ignoring the one thing that makes life worth living and trying to enjoy the shallow things of life blindly which just feels like you're faking it. Purpose is actually important to humans. A purpose that exists beyond death. This is why so much money goes into the sciences. It's not that an INFJ should just give up trying to find the purpose. An INFJ should be encouraged to actually study and go full blown search mode for the purpose while trusting their Ti and not relying on any preconceived ideas or conclusions drawn by any outside source. There is an answer they can find and it is important to find. As they feel like they are actually making progress because they're actually studying it out instead of just aimlessly pondering it without factual information, they should feel good enough about life to get out and genuinely interact with people. One good way to search theses ideas is debate with the INFJ attitude of every idea or conclusion being on standbye for revision in light of any new factual information. This provides a social outlet along with Ni Ti endeavors that are good if used in a correct manner. Just ignoring it is not a correct manner and will never work.
I can't stop REACHING ON EVERYTHING!! It's like once I find the answer to a question, another question appears to that answer. With what is going on in the world today, it's non stop rabbit hole digging. At some point, I find I have to hide from everyone and everything so I can pull myself out of the rabbit holes and recharge.
I did. I self studied almost everything to understand but one day I felt like I’m at the bottom of the ocean so I felt suffocated. Now I’m much wiser and stronger but the world continue heading to the wall🙈 I feel watching over collapsing the world slowly. However, I see true quality as human being in INxx types. I’m just dreaming of the sensory material dominated ESTJ world recognizing values on INxx types qualities!🐥🐥🐥🐥 ua-cam.com/video/leWielIwi2w/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/KejTeHDgNf4/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/YL1SCU2GbWg/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/UjEXQIoSPHQ/v-deo.html My sincere respect on these beautiful human beings at the bottom of my heart. They have been screaming for truths but nobody listened instead, all stupid people are worshipped. The Answer for humanity is likely in INxx types but too late for everything ☠️ still tears for some reason. Humans are horrible!😤 I’m also, human so I’m not immune to this 😱🥺 what a nightmare it is for earthly life!!!!
VERY accurate... the thing I sometimes forget, especially if I'm "complaining" (venting) about people, is that interacting with people/talking to people/relating to people on a deeper level HELPS me escape a philosophical/existential examination that has gone off the rails, and is no longer serving me :/
On point as usual. Strange to have someone voice what happens in my own little world. They say Ni is sort of "subconscious". I've started to recognize that my default state is the Alpha State, that mingled with Ti to put Ni thoughts in a nicely packaged presentation for quick access later. Then comes Fe which feels intrusive and wants to wake me up (beta) and it's oh... hello? How long was I out from this reality. I was in another world!
I’ve been looping bad. For the first time in a year I had lunch with 3 ex coworker friends of mine. I told them to get prepared looong before the pandemic hit (so they could avoid the tp rush) I also explained all the dark intricacies of it. When we got together, they went on and on about all the bulls eyes I got with my predictions. It just made me so sad inside. I kept thinking for sooo long, “please let what I feel is happening be wrong, please let what I feel is happening be wrong…” I thought it on a loop for so long. I begged and I prayed to be incorrect. To be mistaken. To have miscalculated. Nope. And being stuck at home isn’t helping because there’s no Fe to pull me out of it. I gave up my 14 year career because I knew (and told my friends who were hopeful of a quick bounce back to normal at the beginning) that this thing was much bigger and far more than what they thought, and was going to be a loooong and torturous ride and that we were in it for the long run, now. That’s what I’ve been looping on lately. Why is this happening? Why haven’t we humans learned? Are we ever going to evolve? Are we seriously THIS evil!?!? STILL!?!? And WHY? Why are we so stunted? Why can’t we grow?
What worsens it is when you feed an INFJ some speculative/progressive materials backed by some hard research/science that make them realize that it is way worse than it seems. I was watching some free-thinking philosophy channel a few weeks ago and a comment lead me to reading this journal called PRISM: A Journal of Complex Operations that tackles everything BEHIND THE SCENES, from geopolitics to advanced weapon technologies. I've been obsessed ever since. But god, it only worsened my hyper-vigilance and cynicism.
matt carrswold - it’s like we’re junkies and information is our drug! I know I certainly have an obsessive drive to know more and more and more, lately. It’s actually extremely helpful to me and my family but it’s also very destructive and unhealthy, as well. I don’t think I have an obsessive compulsive disorder because it’s really just THIS topic that I’m obsessing THIS hard over. My intuition is screaming and has ordered all hands on deck and no screwing around. So, if intuition is freaking out this hard, I’m assuming this particular obsession must be critically important. Even if I am way underweight and have a really rough time sleeping, sometimes. I can worry about that stuff later, once my intuition warning alarms stop sounding off, so hard, and on such a constant and consistent basis.
You learn as you go pretty much, trial and error and FE living and coexisting in the world of the different types, things will become clearer the more you allow yourself to experience. Best advice don't let fear guide you but always allow yourself to be curious while being safe of course.
I cannot tell you how much of a weight this has taken off my shoulders, just by understanding the mechanisms at play that you described so clearly. Thank you so much for this concise video!
For any INFJs who want a non-nihilistic alternative to Religion in explaining reality, I came across Non-Dualism which is almost a mediator between the two perspectives, which sees consciousness as fundamental and being human as temporary. With no fear of death, it somehow allows me to orient my life in the direction of trying to maximise the positive impact I can have in the world (Effective Altruism). Even though there may be no God or intentionality to existence, there is meaning in that there is suffering present and we each have unique gifts that can allow us to reduce it. Bernardo Kastrup is my favourite philosopher who talks of Non-Dualism and Will Macaskill my favourite Effective Altruist. :)
@@pyros4333pretty much learning this now. I’ve been stuck in a loop for about 3 months. Didn’t even realize the election was nearby because I was so fixated on following my intuition. I’ve followed Alice to god damned wonderland and back again. But, what’s screaming in my face is that I need to re-develop my relationship with God. I’m very estranged from him and don’t even know where to start, but I’ve had this crippling feeling within this loop that I “must solve the answer” “our judgment day is here” “get out of your shadow self and practice compassion RIGHT NOW.” Like, I want to scream this to everyone? But already many people think I’m insane from this loop, so I must just follow it myself and hope, somehow, maybe, I can influence others.
It's interesting that you mention INFJs default to either religion or nihilism. I remember going to church with my mother once when I was a young child, and I cried for seemingly no reason, I just knew that I didn't like that place. We ended up having to leave, and it was very out of character for me. My mom regarded me as very composed and considerate. I've never wanted to believe in Christianity, but I've been very interested in spiritualism, I just can't ever bring myself to believe it. I want to believe in it because it makes life more interesting, to have a supernatural component. I'm not afraid of being wrong either, as many have asked me that question. I think I've avoided falling into either extreme by believing that we do live on in the way that we impact others. I don't look at it from a comfort standpoint though, to me it's just the extra layer that people miss. If you look at all of history, the things we say and do to others, they echo for eternity. Even if no one remembers your name, the ideas that you believed or fought for, those live on in others in some form. We do matter on a grand scale, ripples in the water if you will. That may sound cheesy but I believe it to be true. I wonder if early on in life I somehow got a different message... Maybe due to shows, anime, or RPGs influencing me. I'm 34 now and I've already lost my mother suddenly to cancer that spread to her liver just last year. It was so sudden and she was still so young. I handled it well at first but I feel it has shaken me a bit. I believe that the older I get I may have to revisit this to make amends with it once again. Thank you for the wonderful video.
how to deal with existential problems: 1. talk to someone who can understand/relate 2. healthy distractions 3. healthy forms of self-expression 4. taking care of your body (including stress management of the body) 5. crap-ton of food (not recommended, but been there many times) 6. crap-ton of drugs (again: not recommended, but been there many, MANY times) 7. adopt a belief system (not necessarily recommended) 8. adopt a pet (possibly recommended, depending on a few factors, including temperament) 9. other unhealthy distractions (not typically recommended) 10. Learn more... 11. REST, AND KEEP TRYING! ^_^
Where do you meet people that you can relate to? This is my dilemma. My family is so......simple minded. It drives me crazy! I can't even remember the last time I have had an intellectually stimulating conversation.
I'm a 549 sx/so and Ni-Ti feels like my comfort zone. in systems with "jumping", I type as NiTi, and although I do feel like my Ti has developed more consciously, I wouldn't say Fe plays a less significant role in my cognition. I'm extremely reclusive and definitely struggle with exactly what you're talking about here. I've been making an effort to engage my extroverted functions more because I know exposure and momentum are my best friends in developing a healthier, balanced lifestyle. you make an excellent point about the existential preoccupation. you will never see me indulge in fantastical intuitive ideas that risk obscuring my orientation to objectivity. I was already grilling my mother on why she had me by the time I was 6 😂 and I still haven't gotten over my disappointment in her answers 🥺 lol I concluded a long time ago that I'm responsible for creating my own meaning. I may not experience Ni Ti like a negative loop but that means I'm more susceptible to losing perspective on the need to engage. wish me luck! ☺️ great video
I'm an isfp and sometimes I come back to this channel and you say things I literally said and thought myself but you went and actually made a video about it and I just kinda moved on lol, I not only go "OK what can I do with this INFORMATION" I go "OK what is worth adding to my being and ever-expanding tapestry of self or should I pursue something else" it's like I'm constantly asking myself that... constantly... it's interesting to see how infjs just keep adding and adding to an insanity inducing degree like it's inspiring honestly lol I wouldn't be able to handle that.
@@loref4200 you can tell me about it😊 I feel I come across INFP/INFJ/INTP. This video makes me think of Questions on my existence in this world and universe indicate I have a tendency toward INFJ and INFP in the relationship with this world and INTP when I learn about new things. I feel I fly through foggy in my head lol 😂 I don’t know about what I’m talking about though I strangely see all tendency of INFP/INFJ/INTP in me except INTJ. My hub INTJ really almost forces me to ground the reality by bringing up all Te. This world is not meant to be for INFP lol He thinks i’m a fictional character with lots of imagination. He said to me “ you give me headache on all your thoughts”
@L94 ua-cam.com/video/mbbKMCaOxAQ/v-deo.html I feel that I need to live this life for earthly life and my soul growth and I’m still in process in universe. I truly believe that our soul is infinite. I love inxx types so much~~~~
😂 Exactly my thoughts! The advice provided in the video is 100% realistic. We need to discuss these kinds of things with others. The problem is, who? Topics like this are taboo.
First of all there isn’t any void, and they do find out why they are here 😁 the asking actually really helps! Just people that work on different level of vibration!
Wow!! That was very intriguing as I learn more about, personality type as an “ INFJ” you were on the nose about everything. The one fun thing I love about this personality type: webcam code switch with EF…. Only for our work environment/ specific events.Our home environment can seem very dark and lonely.
If an infj is a jumper… with Ti as a savior instead of Fe… would they just be in an endless NiTi loop? And how much different would this type of infj be as opposed to the standard mbti infj? Would love to see a video on this!
NO, that is a huge misconception in MBTI where "loops" are confused with actual subtypes. NiTi can get into an NiTi loop and but so can all the 4 subtypes of the INFJ, in their own way (as an NiFe I do as well).
I've engaged in formal meditation practice my whole life and have spent years writing "the paper" that explains everything (still happily working on it!). So far, it's been an amazing life, although certainly not "normal". Given the same circumstances, I wouldn't change a thing. I think once an INFJ simply learns to "follow their heart", everything eventually works out for the best. Although, in the immortal words of C. Hepburn, "You can't have it all".
Either I'm pretty healthy since teenage hood or I'm not an INFJ cause I only resonate with this maybe 20 years ago....I resonate more with Ni-Fi looping.
Very accurate which I appreciate. As a big picture thinker it's not easy to move forward with an incomplete as large as religion. This personally was a huge road block for me till I can up with this equation G - L =1( God minus limits= one). The weird part is I'm not religious nor would I ever consider joining one. Enough of that, I just thought it was interesting to hear that my God obsession could be linked to my type.
Yes. Well said. And while I still question the OPS idea that Jumpers are an MBTI type unto themselves, your explanation suggests, to me at least, that a "loop" is more a habit we can fall into at the exclusion of the auxiliary function. In this way, the third function does not become a savior or auxiliary function and the way back to health and balance is to re-engage the auxiliary function. That's my take-away of what you presented here. Host Eric posted a recent rant on Jumpers as separate MBTI types. I think you and Host Eric are on the same page. But I ask you, are you?
Hey there, I actually have a whole video on this topic if you are interested in my opinions in depth. Thanks for watching! ua-cam.com/video/GUt9ejnJX5A/v-deo.html
I feel so called out, but I can't help doing it neither, nor do I want to. Its strange wanting to know more, feel more, do more, but dreading it all just the same.😟 You are right though some social interactions do kinda relieve some of the dark storms in my head however, I find too myself feeling its all a drag or perhaps a phase. Maybe I will be present but not scene. Easily here and yet room to escape if it gets too complex. Kinda the way Dumbledore ghosted Harry with all his concerns & questions in the movie.
You’re actually normal to me 🐣 but seems to struggle with something. Someone thinks that nothing is wrong but all about personal pleasure especially since this pandemic started. I have more questions on her/his brain though.
Why do you suppose existentialism becomes so paramount compared to other “unexplainable” questions? Could it be the way Fe tends to bend identity to social expectations, where one’s place in humanity becomes illigitimate without that collective yardstick? I don’t think I’ve ever struggled with “why am I here” questions as much as “how am I here” questions. I’ve been nihilistic at times, but it was more like a power grab for the impulse to shape the world (indulging a poorly developed Fi), rather than being determined to answer the unanswerable for its own sake or validate identity through logics.
I feel INTJ/INFP is like Twinflame relationship or yin & yang. Helping each other for growth in term of reality and soul. Just need communication as much we can:)))))).
ua-cam.com/video/w2Drw_ggAWk/v-deo.html Deepest challenge in life for INTJ is “what is love “🐥 Universe brings a right relationship when we’re ready Life is super mysterious for sure! I see life patterns in universe Life always gives us a challenge to make us wiser and stronger but nothing ends the world Everything happens for reasons
I can say for absolute certainty after years of submerging myself in it that it's not anything social that ultimately is the reason for why existentialism is such an important matter to me. Maybe it's because to this day I may have been living in the loop for way more time than reasonable, so maybe it's the poorly developed Fe that makes my answer be different than what you described. But to me, especially through some years ago, identity is the opposite of what I care. Existential perspectives combined with perfectionism in a way that any kind of human identity wasn't valid, no life was enough to reach the knowledge, answers, facts and reasons that I desired to reach. He pointed out to all or nothing perspectives, and this exemplifies it. So I actually lived these 10 years which I was firmly engaged in the Ni-Ti loop (maybe not coincidentally my worst depression years) evading living a true life, firmly evading constructing any identity for myself. I like people, some friends I admire, but these years, i.e. in the loop, living any similar life wasn't existentially satisfactory.
@@metametodo That’s really interesting, thanks for sharing. What was about for you, then? In simplified terms, it was about agency rather than identity for me.
@@Sharkuterie327 Perfectionism ended up being the simplest way to describe for me, but I notice how this word lacks a lot of context when people hear it. I think being able to reach every knowledge; being able to understand, judge, process, everything in the most unbiased, realistic, and ultimately true way. Revising perspectives, questioning every single thought in order to _get it right_. This was the strongest will inside me. It still is, but it's coming off the top, in order for me to live a healthy life, take care of myself, not hate myself to death. But that aside, I said unbiased, and the way I reached for it was by noticing how personal opinions, personal involvement with things, specific preferences, pleasures, were all potential biases, that's part of why I ended up hating the idea of having an identity. My existential matter was what he gave a reference to, being (or wanting to be) detached from getting involved with an overly personalized life. I believe you can see how this could get unhealthy. And that's why I'm not sure I'm the ideal example for the reflections, and I only could live like this because most of these years I was a minor, being cared for. It's not viable though. I can see how agency can be a focus. Now I'm trying to find paths, but I noticed the possibility of it developing to the point of me turning my perfectionism into a lifewise viable system, and agency being a new core value for myself. Even if I'm developing Fe, it's clear how in the end my life is, I am, the true focus here, my reasons, goals and values, being able to firmly steer one's life through fundamentals. Nowadays days that sounds like the progress to aim. And that's the catch of how it should be, I think. I believe almost all people someday end up noticing the importance of having some personal version of this.
Typology people routinely confuse NiTi loops with the NiTi subtype. All subtypes can get into an unhealthy loop, but being NiTi in itself is natural and healthy (independent of potential loops one can get into) An NiTi INFJ in NiTi loop is scary though, as is FeSe in FeSe loop (polar opposites, so they're scary in different ways).
Yeah, there is some penchant for extremism here, to the point that Ti will disregard EVERYTHING as long as satisfying what Ni wants. An INFJ (a true one) is not afraid (don't even care) of turning truly EVIL that it makes the worst INTJs/ESTPs look like saints.
My gut reply to that is, 'why wouldn't it?' It's the same functions looping, no? I actually related a lot to to the existential dread he talked on as a younger INTJ. As an older one now, I've come to appreciate what purpose is and how I can make it (not waiting for it to be defined for me). I was also not very INTJ-ish when I was younger I guess. There was a lot of 'soul searching' going on.
Chris these video choices and timing are creepy sometimes, like right now, wth Also, seeing that thumbnail made me feel things I wasn't expecting. I must inspect why I reacted so strongly so that beautiful thumbnail. Now, onto the video. - Hikari, NiFe 9w1 so/sx 952 RLOAI LEVF Mel-Phleg IEI I hope you and everyone you care for is doing well. Thanks for this. I've always loved your videos and your work in general.
Btw it's also nice to see a fellow Ni-dom typology nerd who's into fighting games. I find the community and personal working towards mastery and understanding and developing myself mentally through observing how I play. Opposed to your achieving of flow state through competition. Reminds me of Tokido, who might also be an INTJ in the thoughts of some I've heard. I mostly play Tekken, 3rd Strike, Garou, KOF stuff. Thanks for those BlazBlue recommendations from so long ago. I wish you growth and fulfilment onwards. - Hikari
Tired of nihilism getting such a bad rap. So there is no purpose or meaning to anything, why should that be a bad thing? It would be far worse if there were a reason for why existence is the way it is.
need to rebuild my dirt bike, jump on after work for a short 30min ride out the back paddock! fun that doesn't gives you the choice to stay in your head, not going to last long before stacking ya bike trying to use intuition to make the decisions! dose help but cant really be done without that feeling turned right up for instant reaction
Curious, can you articulate shadow functions with the Ni-Ti loop phenomenon? For example, Fi or Te for the INFJ? As an INFJ, I have learned to pair my shadow Fi with my inferior Se as a way of switching gears from my Ni-Ti loop. Indeed, some might say that Fe can be synthesized from Se-Fi. What are your thoughts?
A lot of people choose (or have bestowed upon them) a religion (or less defined, spirituality) in order to feel that their lives have meaning. But it doesn't satisfy the reality truth-seeking of the Ni-Ti intellectual powerhouse. When I was a young un' I'd picture the surface of the earth as a 3D graph with bulges popping up to represent the number of people and their religions and how they'd swell and spread and merge and contract and die. Religions are human storytelling (not a theory). I just wish they weren't so crap.
So what are the main differences between the Ni-Ti loop and the Ni-Fi loop? I seem to get stuck in over-analyzing mode alot and I find it hard to "get my feet on the ground" so to speak. I'm an quite identified with the artist/mystic so I'm probably more likely to be an INFJ but I have gotten INFP, INTP and LII (INTj), IEI (INFp) on socionics tests.
Fe type for sure. How do you even get so much contradicting types, rather low self-awareness. Ni-Fi - way too emotional intj, no desire to do anything, overindulging in Fi and Se, looks like IxFP, very stuck in his emotions and overindulges in sensory stuff. Ni-Ti - overthinking about literally anything, INFJ becomes cold af and meaner and more reactive to everyone, especially about logical topics and his future, still passively uses Fe though( like Kaguya Shinomiya). Overindulging is also there(for both Se inf types).
This is just my opinion so…. I feel there is over wrapped among INxx types. There is no such a clear cut to be one type. I just approach it depending on. I feel like My personality tends to be INFP in the relationship with the world and questions on my existence takes me to the tendency of INFJ and INTP when I learn about new things. I come across INFP/INFJ/INTP but INTJ. You will see your cognitive fx can be shifted depending on the subject but within INxx types. My hub INTJ helps me fill the gaps in INxx types That’s what I get after pondering long time. Ps; our interest or motive drives us to certain dominated cognitive fx. I’m INFP so I’m more interested in human heart and soul but when I study physics or chemistry., I dive into the depth to understand each topic with Ti over Fi ; INTP/INFP are in brother sister relationship across brain and heart. Something like this. Based on deep understanding of human nature or condition, I pursue harmony with others at their level like INFJ. I’m keenly aware of Fe but it completely conflicts on my values or moral. I tend to out speak over not to compromise my values and moral regardless of Fe to feel sympathy toward others otherwise I pursue harmony with others through my empathy. My point The wiser and more matured we are the better we become 😸 INxx types Possess critical thinking and radical thinking:)))
@@Ella-qg4bq you can’t pretend you’re all types! The sys says you are 1 type. What you are really saying is you don’t care what the sys says, your Fi feelings are really all that determines your personal truth in direct opposition to the Ti POV.
I think you’re an Istp and an enneagram type 5 with a specialist knowledge of ‘mbti’. It doesn’t seem like you’re an Intj at all but that’s just my opinion. I do know you’re a practitioner but then I was mistyped by a practitioner too. 🤷🏻♂️
@@timefortee istps are not well explained by mbti. It limits their potential in so many ways. I think Istps are type 5s and and seeing through enneagram it makes for a good explanation of an Istp.
@@hassanabbas4215 Like all the other types! MBTI communitirs online are full of clichés and restricting stereotypes (ENTPs are trolls, INTJs masterminds, ENFPs sillyheads, INFJs super-empaths, etc). I know personally that quite a number of ISTPs falsely identify as INFJs, while to them it seems logical enough, the mistype is painfully, glaringly obvious to people who know them. Another ISTP I knew fully accepted being ISTP and was quite drawn to Ni themed subjects, it might have been the case that she was the TiNi subtype. And to add to the sad state of MBTI now, the 4 subtypes are ignored when they are so very important.
As for the prevailing Enneagram of most ISTPs, I have no idea. The girl I mentioned def wasn't a 5, if one is to rely on 5's descriptions of being information/knowledge-gatherers and learners. She cared for direct experience, be it in Se terms or Ni spirituality and philosophy, and a huge need to feel securely grounded in the world.
@@timefortee Thanks for taking out the time to reply. As for Type 5’s knowledge gathering, it’s not always that elaborate. Sometimes, they’d know things in general and would rather keep it to themselves than share. Unless they’re working in specialised fields, they’d just generally gather information about random bits and bobs and wouldn’t consider themselves as knowledgeable either. What’s more clearer is the essence of the personality I.e. staying detached and interacting with their thought process first. Just how I see things though ^
I have thought a lot about this (of course). I'm not sure if other INFJ's can relate, but for me personally, I believe that I dig so much into answering the question "why am I alive" because I don't feel as though I belong. I never have. I genuinely have never felt deeply connected to anyone in my life. When I talk to people, I feel like I have to "dumb down" in a sense. If I don't, I come off as a lunatic. Either way, I feel like an alien everywhere, always. If I can confirm the reason for my existence, it will help to justify the suffering. My example is probably more extreme than other's because I have severe Bipolar Disorder (II).
I have bipolar II as well!
You seems to be interested in astrology
I feel we need to understand ourselves or get insight of own self in term of matter and energy.
Different astrologists brings different perspectives from their own soul or inside
We have to listen to them and filter out
I truly believe no one perfectly understand the mystery or beauty in universe but each individual bring something in them to the conscious level. It helps wake up something inside us
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We need to understand our inner energy such as dynamic interaction of rising/moon/sun energy in us and birth chart as whole as much as our personality to overcome struggles!
It helps us wiser and stronger 😇👽
Your inner struggles would be subsided enormously.
Cheers 🐥
Ps; no separation b/w science and spirituality
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One fact is 99 % of each atom is space significantly orbiting by electrons. If All atoms in One human body crashed all space it’s only an apple size.
We need to break the barriers b/w reality and spirituality so we can access our whole being as individual but capitalism and technology blind our mind and disconnect from who we are but our consciousness is constantly oriented by materialism. It truly killing INxx types since they understand in depth of truths but reality push INxx types into the corner where they don’t fit anywhere unless they throw their soul and mind.
Loss of INxx types is equal to loss of humanity
Ps; This entire human race already entered where following rules and guidelines is listening to science but not allowed to think further
Just follow the rules and guidelines otherwise 👽
Technology is truly scary!
Think of it this way. Were little ants meant to be together to help one another form an army to protect our human existence. We're here to help one another coexist; to protect our resources, children, etc.. to serve one another if you wish. You're here to make any contribution you can. Since there are others who are bipolar you may find some bit of advice or something that you have learned that may make a huge difference in someone else's life that has bipolar if you just shared it. By doing that small act you would probably be amazed at how connected you may really be. You just have to find that person or persons who need your help. I know there has to be something you can share that could benefit someone else. The negative thought you need to drop is the one that makes you think you don't belong because you do belong. You just haven't found your tribe. When that nasty thought comes in that tells you that you don't belong talk back to it and tell it yes you do belong. Now get out of here you negative little thought. You have the power within you to fight back this negative way of thinking or feeling. Just remember no one is perfect. No one. No one is any better than you. We all are deformed in some kind of way. If you don't belong then no human being belongs therefore you must belong. If that's the case why are we all here? Why are all the snowflakes different? It would be boring if we were all alike.
“Where am I? Who am I?
How did I come to be here?
What is this thing called the world?
How did I come into the world?
Why was I not consulted?
And If I am compelled to take part in it, where is the director?
I want to see him.”
― Søren Kierkegaard
te-rrific take on existentialism AsuraPsych.
early on I accepted the idea of death. I did seek meaning in life and I learned
early on that this question bothers, triggers or upsets most human peoples.
I learned
to ask my Books instead, si-gh.
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I do want to see him. Reading it I immediately noticed it's exactly the kind of thing I go after in living experiences. Now, that's especially true if it is in such deep matters. If I were allowed I'd question way beyond why do I have to exist.
Worth the screenshot to remind me if I'm in a Ni-Ti loop .. thanks for this bruv 🙏
There's always a judgment around those things.. This raise the question 'What's wrong in being stuck?'
In my experience, I kept pushing it and avoiding it because it left me seem depressed and maybe I believed that I was. But it kept coming back and I had to manage to be in this loop longer than usual..
Who am I and where do I exist? I think I'm inside this body but I can't find a location to say I'm in it..
After a while I had this awareness that I'm not inside the body and this ego thinks it's doing things, thinking, making decisions, etc..
If you feel like contemplating, just do.. The world won't collapse around you but back into you @@metametodo
You hair looks like a mushroom after the bomb. Thanks for NiTi analysis, have been searching for it.
Pfft
Ahahahahaha Ahahahahaha
Just a more flowy afro
You have a point…-INFJ
I embrace the mysteries in life. We cannot know everything. What I know is we need to do things right.
Yes.Yes.Yes. Very accurate. I've literally told people "Either nothing matters or everything matters" and it totally makes sense to me! I have my job and family and a stable exterior but internally I fixate on existential ideas/spirituality all that. It would be surprising to many because I have left religion. I personally care deeply about finding some kind of resolution, whether it be found in a pattern, symbol, metaphor. I am constantly feeling out and asking unrelenting questions in my unconscious but it is also an area of thought that is too open and chaos is an inextricable feature. When I first wake up in the morning I find that I've been thinking about these issues non stop, even when I am not conscious. There is a very spiritually-open part of me that leans into analyzing and understanding different types of experience. It is mystical and yet somehow atheistic or skeptical at the same time. Sometimes I have found myself in a transcendent mind state and then for months or years I try to unpack such an abstract experience, trying to understand what is applicable in the real world and what is merely some kind of interesting personal delusion. I have thought that my commitment is high risk high reward because it is mentally and psychologically brutal to try to be honest and truth-seeking, and open to the possibility that the most disappointing reality might be the correct one. Doubt is painful and taxing.
I enjoyed how you mentioned the role of Fe and how important it is to talk to someone, even if it is a little forced. I do not seem to seek out interactions with others but if I go a long time without getting social feedback I begin to feel it accumulate. It is important to have high quality interactions with honest, thoughtful people to balance all my crazy misconceptions and abstract notions.
Thank you for this video! I thoroughly enjoyed it!
I remember those days... If i eat and sleep just to go to work just so i can keep on eating and sleeping, what's the point!? I felt like my life was so pointless and i had no reason to live. It was so painful that sometimes i would want to let go of the car steering wheel and just see what happens... this was for two years 16 - 18. Then at 5 AM one morning God gave me a purpose and life long goals that will mater in the face of eternity. I don't struggle with those things anymore.
And believing in God is actually the most logical and rational conclusion to come to in light of observable facts and laws of science...
You are so right! I agree completely.
I would always find a way to come out of my NiTi loop a couple years ago because I had people to pull me out. But life changed suddenly and these people are not in immediate access to me anymore and this is the longest I have been stuck in the loop. I really wish I knew how to get out.
A really clever insight. Kierkegaard, father of existentialism is most often typed INFJ. Makes perfect sense. So was Christ.
very true. However, Fe is a way to get out of the loop tends to have a temporary effect when the question(s)/problems that got me into the loop to begin with are very serious and 'existentially' fundamental. And with time, as those questions and problems accumulate, the effect of Fe and some Se activities becomes increasingly shorter and weaker... Btw, the conclusion(s) I come to are not necessarily extremes, and that's another complicating factor. ... I came to hate my type ... it's a burden that gets heavier by the year. ... it's exhausting
Something i would say is that even if an INFJ forces themselves to focus on the Fe world without having found purpose Ni will be aware of that making the INFJ conscious of the fact that they are ignoring the one thing that makes life worth living and trying to enjoy the shallow things of life blindly which just feels like you're faking it. Purpose is actually important to humans. A purpose that exists beyond death. This is why so much money goes into the sciences. It's not that an INFJ should just give up trying to find the purpose. An INFJ should be encouraged to actually study and go full blown search mode for the purpose while trusting their Ti and not relying on any preconceived ideas or conclusions drawn by any outside source. There is an answer they can find and it is important to find. As they feel like they are actually making progress because they're actually studying it out instead of just aimlessly pondering it without factual information, they should feel good enough about life to get out and genuinely interact with people. One good way to search theses ideas is debate with the INFJ attitude of every idea or conclusion being on standbye for revision in light of any new factual information. This provides a social outlet along with Ni Ti endeavors that are good if used in a correct manner. Just ignoring it is not a correct manner and will never work.
I can't stop REACHING ON EVERYTHING!! It's like once I find the answer to a question, another question appears to that answer. With what is going on in the world today, it's non stop rabbit hole digging. At some point, I find I have to hide from everyone and everything so I can pull myself out of the rabbit holes and recharge.
I did. I self studied almost everything to understand but one day I felt like I’m at the bottom of the ocean so I felt suffocated. Now I’m much wiser and stronger but the world continue heading to the wall🙈
I feel watching over collapsing the world slowly. However, I see true quality as human being in INxx types.
I’m just dreaming of the sensory material dominated ESTJ world recognizing values on INxx types qualities!🐥🐥🐥🐥
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My sincere respect on these beautiful human beings at the bottom of my heart. They have been screaming for truths but nobody listened instead, all stupid people are worshipped.
The Answer for humanity is likely in INxx types but too late for everything ☠️ still tears for some reason.
Humans are horrible!😤 I’m also, human so I’m not immune to this 😱🥺 what a nightmare it is for earthly life!!!!
VERY accurate... the thing I sometimes forget, especially if I'm "complaining" (venting) about people, is that interacting with people/talking to people/relating to people on a deeper level HELPS me escape a philosophical/existential examination that has gone off the rails, and is no longer serving me :/
On point as usual. Strange to have someone voice what happens in my own little world. They say Ni is sort of "subconscious". I've started to recognize that my default state is the Alpha State, that mingled with Ti to put Ni thoughts in a nicely packaged presentation for quick access later. Then comes Fe which feels intrusive and wants to wake me up (beta) and it's oh... hello? How long was I out from this reality. I was in another world!
That's true, teh NiTi are mostly in low key alpha state (I wish it was less though)
But I also have high Fi. Is it common for INFJs to be high on Fi ?
I’ve been looping bad. For the first time in a year I had lunch with 3 ex coworker friends of mine. I told them to get prepared looong before the pandemic hit (so they could avoid the tp rush) I also explained all the dark intricacies of it. When we got together, they went on and on about all the bulls eyes I got with my predictions. It just made me so sad inside. I kept thinking for sooo long, “please let what I feel is happening be wrong, please let what I feel is happening be wrong…” I thought it on a loop for so long. I begged and I prayed to be incorrect. To be mistaken. To have miscalculated. Nope. And being stuck at home isn’t helping because there’s no Fe to pull me out of it. I gave up my 14 year career because I knew (and told my friends who were hopeful of a quick bounce back to normal at the beginning) that this thing was much bigger and far more than what they thought, and was going to be a loooong and torturous ride and that we were in it for the long run, now. That’s what I’ve been looping on lately. Why is this happening? Why haven’t we humans learned? Are we ever going to evolve? Are we seriously THIS evil!?!? STILL!?!? And WHY? Why are we so stunted? Why can’t we grow?
What worsens it is when you feed an INFJ some speculative/progressive materials backed by some hard research/science that make them realize that it is way worse than it seems. I was watching some free-thinking philosophy channel a few weeks ago and a comment lead me to reading this journal called PRISM: A Journal of Complex Operations that tackles everything BEHIND THE SCENES, from geopolitics to advanced weapon technologies. I've been obsessed ever since. But god, it only worsened my hyper-vigilance and cynicism.
matt carrswold - it’s like we’re junkies and information is our drug! I know I certainly have an obsessive drive to know more and more and more, lately. It’s actually extremely helpful to me and my family but it’s also very destructive and unhealthy, as well. I don’t think I have an obsessive compulsive disorder because it’s really just THIS topic that I’m obsessing THIS hard over. My intuition is screaming and has ordered all hands on deck and no screwing around. So, if intuition is freaking out this hard, I’m assuming this particular obsession must be critically important. Even if I am way underweight and have a really rough time sleeping, sometimes. I can worry about that stuff later, once my intuition warning alarms stop sounding off, so hard, and on such a constant and consistent basis.
You learn as you go pretty much, trial and error and FE living and coexisting in the world of the different types, things will become clearer the more you allow yourself to experience. Best advice don't let fear guide you but always allow yourself to be curious while being safe of course.
I cannot tell you how much of a weight this has taken off my shoulders, just by understanding the mechanisms at play that you described so clearly. Thank you so much for this concise video!
For any INFJs who want a non-nihilistic alternative to Religion in explaining reality, I came across Non-Dualism which is almost a mediator between the two perspectives, which sees consciousness as fundamental and being human as temporary. With no fear of death, it somehow allows me to orient my life in the direction of trying to maximise the positive impact I can have in the world (Effective Altruism). Even though there may be no God or intentionality to existence, there is meaning in that there is suffering present and we each have unique gifts that can allow us to reduce it. Bernardo Kastrup is my favourite philosopher who talks of Non-Dualism and Will Macaskill my favourite Effective Altruist. :)
Funny thing is that I am INFJ and I ordered 4 books on theology yesterday XD
Have they arrived yet? I ordered a full collection a few weeks ago, 16 books :| i hope i can fill this void inside
@@glinnisyoung yeah I'm rading one right now and I like it :)
Discovering absurdism/philosophy of the absurd helped me break the loop
Being too idealistic about love and humanity (NiFe) and too nihilistic about humans and everything in general (NiTi)
The answer is God lol.
It fits these two perfectly together
@@pyros4333 amen! Lol
@@pyros4333pretty much learning this now. I’ve been stuck in a loop for about 3 months. Didn’t even realize the election was nearby because I was so fixated on following my intuition.
I’ve followed Alice to god damned wonderland and back again. But, what’s screaming in my face is that I need to re-develop my relationship with God.
I’m very estranged from him and don’t even know where to start, but I’ve had this crippling feeling within this loop that I “must solve the answer” “our judgment day is here” “get out of your shadow self and practice compassion RIGHT NOW.”
Like, I want to scream this to everyone? But already many people think I’m insane from this loop, so I must just follow it myself and hope, somehow, maybe, I can influence others.
It's interesting that you mention INFJs default to either religion or nihilism. I remember going to church with my mother once when I was a young child, and I cried for seemingly no reason, I just knew that I didn't like that place. We ended up having to leave, and it was very out of character for me. My mom regarded me as very composed and considerate.
I've never wanted to believe in Christianity, but I've been very interested in spiritualism, I just can't ever bring myself to believe it. I want to believe in it because it makes life more interesting, to have a supernatural component. I'm not afraid of being wrong either, as many have asked me that question.
I think I've avoided falling into either extreme by believing that we do live on in the way that we impact others. I don't look at it from a comfort standpoint though, to me it's just the extra layer that people miss. If you look at all of history, the things we say and do to others, they echo for eternity. Even if no one remembers your name, the ideas that you believed or fought for, those live on in others in some form. We do matter on a grand scale, ripples in the water if you will. That may sound cheesy but I believe it to be true.
I wonder if early on in life I somehow got a different message... Maybe due to shows, anime, or RPGs influencing me. I'm 34 now and I've already lost my mother suddenly to cancer that spread to her liver just last year. It was so sudden and she was still so young.
I handled it well at first but I feel it has shaken me a bit. I believe that the older I get I may have to revisit this to make amends with it once again. Thank you for the wonderful video.
Did you try Islam
Well described; an NiTi loop can be an horrific experience for an INFJ where death is the only door they see.
Thank you for the video! Love the hair😊👍
You're my favorite typology youtuber for a reason. I love your videos
how to deal with existential problems: 1. talk to someone who can understand/relate 2. healthy distractions 3. healthy forms of self-expression 4. taking care of your body (including stress management of the body) 5. crap-ton of food (not recommended, but been there many times) 6. crap-ton of drugs (again: not recommended, but been there many, MANY times) 7. adopt a belief system (not necessarily recommended) 8. adopt a pet (possibly recommended, depending on a few factors, including temperament) 9. other unhealthy distractions (not typically recommended) 10. Learn more... 11. REST, AND KEEP TRYING! ^_^
Where do you meet people that you can relate to? This is my dilemma. My family is so......simple minded. It drives me crazy! I can't even remember the last time I have had an intellectually stimulating conversation.
@@Crysta1986 you gotta just "get philosophical" on people and see where it goes; just try to moderate your expectations, Lol
You just blew up my mind! Thank you.
Recently discovered that I’m an IFNJ
I'm a 549 sx/so and Ni-Ti feels like my comfort zone. in systems with "jumping", I type as NiTi, and although I do feel like my Ti has developed more consciously, I wouldn't say Fe plays a less significant role in my cognition. I'm extremely reclusive and definitely struggle with exactly what you're talking about here. I've been making an effort to engage my extroverted functions more because I know exposure and momentum are my best friends in developing a healthier, balanced lifestyle. you make an excellent point about the existential preoccupation. you will never see me indulge in fantastical intuitive ideas that risk obscuring my orientation to objectivity. I was already grilling my mother on why she had me by the time I was 6 😂 and I still haven't gotten over my disappointment in her answers 🥺 lol
I concluded a long time ago that I'm responsible for creating my own meaning. I may not experience Ni Ti like a negative loop but that means I'm more susceptible to losing perspective on the need to engage. wish me luck! ☺️ great video
I'm an isfp and sometimes I come back to this channel and you say things I literally said and thought myself but you went and actually made a video about it and I just kinda moved on lol, I not only go "OK what can I do with this INFORMATION" I go "OK what is worth adding to my being and ever-expanding tapestry of self or should I pursue something else" it's like I'm constantly asking myself that... constantly... it's interesting to see how infjs just keep adding and adding to an insanity inducing degree like it's inspiring honestly lol I wouldn't be able to handle that.
That was very helpful, made a lot of sense. I will take your advice. But until then WHY AM I HERE?...
@@loref4200 you can tell me about it😊
I feel I come across INFP/INFJ/INTP. This video makes me think of
Questions on my existence in this world and universe indicate I have a tendency toward INFJ and INFP in the relationship with this world and INTP when I learn about new things. I feel I fly through foggy in my head lol 😂
I don’t know about what I’m talking about though
I strangely see all tendency of INFP/INFJ/INTP in me except INTJ.
My hub INTJ really almost forces me to ground the reality by bringing up all Te. This world is not meant to be for INFP lol He thinks i’m a fictional character with lots of imagination. He said to me “ you give me headache on all your thoughts”
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I feel that
I need to live this life for earthly life and my soul growth and I’m still in process in universe. I truly believe that our soul is infinite.
I love inxx types so much~~~~
😂 Exactly my thoughts! The advice provided in the video is 100% realistic. We need to discuss these kinds of things with others. The problem is, who? Topics like this are taboo.
Beautiful insight! New subscriber here. 🙋🏻♀️
(INFJ)
First of all there isn’t any void, and they do find out why they are here 😁 the asking actually really helps! Just people that work on different level of vibration!
Wow!! That was very intriguing as I learn more about, personality type as an “ INFJ” you were on the nose about everything. The one fun thing I love about this personality type: webcam code switch with EF…. Only for our work environment/ specific events.Our home environment can seem very dark and lonely.
You know what. No one ever told us the answer could be both... Balance ⚖️
If an infj is a jumper… with Ti as a savior instead of Fe… would they just be in an endless NiTi loop? And how much different would this type of infj be as opposed to the standard mbti infj? Would love to see a video on this!
NO, that is a huge misconception in MBTI where "loops" are confused with actual subtypes. NiTi can get into an NiTi loop and but so can all the 4 subtypes of the INFJ, in their own way (as an NiFe I do as well).
I've engaged in formal meditation practice my whole life and have spent years writing "the paper" that explains everything (still happily working on it!). So far, it's been an amazing life, although certainly not "normal". Given the same circumstances, I wouldn't change a thing. I think once an INFJ simply learns to "follow their heart", everything eventually works out for the best. Although, in the immortal words of C. Hepburn, "You can't have it all".
Thank you for this video. I resonated with it deeply, although I am still in the process of definitively determining my mbti type. All the best!
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As an INFJ, glancing through these comments makes me laugh in a way. You’ll find typical INFJ patterns. Very long comments everywhere 😂👏👏👏
This was helpful. Observable pattern. Yes. Thank you.
Such a good video! Greetings from an INFJ :)
Thanks for this video bro 🙏 explanation was great!👌
Either I'm pretty healthy since teenage hood or I'm not an INFJ cause I only resonate with this maybe 20 years ago....I resonate more with Ni-Fi looping.
heavily sometimes depends on the nature of obsession and self doubt.
Holy moly…this resonated
i came back here to say thanks.
so, thanks.
Thanks. You're right on.
I'm an INFJ going through Ni Ti loop right now. It's not existential, but it's job-wise. Kinda stressed out and overly sensitive to external factors.
Very accurate which I appreciate.
As a big picture thinker it's not easy to move forward with an incomplete as large as religion. This personally was a huge road block for me till I can up with this equation G - L =1( God minus limits= one). The weird part is I'm not religious nor would I ever consider joining one.
Enough of that, I just thought it was interesting to hear that my God obsession could be linked to my type.
Yes. Well said. And while I still question the OPS idea that Jumpers are an MBTI type unto themselves, your explanation suggests, to me at least, that a "loop" is more a habit we can fall into at the exclusion of the auxiliary function. In this way, the third function does not become a savior or auxiliary function and the way back to health and balance is to re-engage the auxiliary function. That's my take-away of what you presented here. Host Eric posted a recent rant on Jumpers as separate MBTI types. I think you and Host Eric are on the same page. But I ask you, are you?
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They claim "jumpers" are a type in themselves?? Like, what type is an NiTi INFJ according to that flawed logic, then??
I feel so called out, but I can't help doing it neither, nor do I want to. Its strange wanting to know more, feel more, do more, but dreading it all just the same.😟
You are right though some social interactions do kinda relieve some of the dark storms in my head however, I find too myself feeling its all a drag or perhaps a phase. Maybe I will be present but not scene. Easily here and yet room to escape if it gets too complex.
Kinda the way Dumbledore ghosted Harry with all his concerns & questions in the movie.
You’re actually normal to me 🐣 but seems to struggle with something. Someone thinks that nothing is wrong but all about personal pleasure especially since this pandemic started. I have more questions on her/his brain though.
What it is is that the Ni is supposed to be checked with Ti. LIke in math/physics. But in areas where it can't be checked then u r in trouble.
Great video.... on point!!!!
Why do you suppose existentialism becomes so paramount compared to other “unexplainable” questions? Could it be the way Fe tends to bend identity to social expectations, where one’s place in humanity becomes illigitimate without that collective yardstick?
I don’t think I’ve ever struggled with “why am I here” questions as much as “how am I here” questions. I’ve been nihilistic at times, but it was more like a power grab for the impulse to shape the world (indulging a poorly developed Fi), rather than being determined to answer the unanswerable for its own sake or validate identity through logics.
I feel INTJ/INFP is like Twinflame relationship or yin & yang. Helping each other for growth in term of reality and soul.
Just need communication as much we can:)))))).
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Deepest challenge in life for INTJ is “what is love “🐥
Universe brings a right relationship when we’re ready
Life is super mysterious for sure!
I see life patterns in universe
Life always gives us a challenge to make us wiser and stronger but nothing ends the world
Everything happens for reasons
I can say for absolute certainty after years of submerging myself in it that it's not anything social that ultimately is the reason for why existentialism is such an important matter to me. Maybe it's because to this day I may have been living in the loop for way more time than reasonable, so maybe it's the poorly developed Fe that makes my answer be different than what you described.
But to me, especially through some years ago, identity is the opposite of what I care. Existential perspectives combined with perfectionism in a way that any kind of human identity wasn't valid, no life was enough to reach the knowledge, answers, facts and reasons that I desired to reach. He pointed out to all or nothing perspectives, and this exemplifies it.
So I actually lived these 10 years which I was firmly engaged in the Ni-Ti loop (maybe not coincidentally my worst depression years) evading living a true life, firmly evading constructing any identity for myself. I like people, some friends I admire, but these years, i.e. in the loop, living any similar life wasn't existentially satisfactory.
@@metametodo That’s really interesting, thanks for sharing. What was about for you, then? In simplified terms, it was about agency rather than identity for me.
@@Sharkuterie327 Perfectionism ended up being the simplest way to describe for me, but I notice how this word lacks a lot of context when people hear it.
I think being able to reach every knowledge; being able to understand, judge, process, everything in the most unbiased, realistic, and ultimately true way. Revising perspectives, questioning every single thought in order to _get it right_. This was the strongest will inside me. It still is, but it's coming off the top, in order for me to live a healthy life, take care of myself, not hate myself to death.
But that aside, I said unbiased, and the way I reached for it was by noticing how personal opinions, personal involvement with things, specific preferences, pleasures, were all potential biases, that's part of why I ended up hating the idea of having an identity. My existential matter was what he gave a reference to, being (or wanting to be) detached from getting involved with an overly personalized life. I believe you can see how this could get unhealthy. And that's why I'm not sure I'm the ideal example for the reflections, and I only could live like this because most of these years I was a minor, being cared for. It's not viable though.
I can see how agency can be a focus. Now I'm trying to find paths, but I noticed the possibility of it developing to the point of me turning my perfectionism into a lifewise viable system, and agency being a new core value for myself. Even if I'm developing Fe, it's clear how in the end my life is, I am, the true focus here, my reasons, goals and values, being able to firmly steer one's life through fundamentals. Nowadays days that sounds like the progress to aim. And that's the catch of how it should be, I think. I believe almost all people someday end up noticing the importance of having some personal version of this.
Very insightful!
Can we talk about how one of the greatest villains written in anime history is an infj? Johan Liebert, look him up
Typology people routinely confuse NiTi loops with the NiTi subtype. All subtypes can get into an unhealthy loop, but being NiTi in itself is natural and healthy (independent of potential loops one can get into)
An NiTi INFJ in NiTi loop is scary though, as is FeSe in FeSe loop (polar opposites, so they're scary in different ways).
Yeah, there is some penchant for extremism here, to the point that Ti will disregard EVERYTHING as long as satisfying what Ni wants. An INFJ (a true one) is not afraid (don't even care) of turning truly EVIL that it makes the worst INTJs/ESTPs look like saints.
Thank you! ❤️
Sometimes do talk about INTP too, thy hairstyle though 🦔
This reminded me of some very dark years of my life.
Qst: Do you think this loop affects ISTPs the same way.
My gut reply to that is, 'why wouldn't it?' It's the same functions looping, no? I actually related a lot to to the existential dread he talked on as a younger INTJ. As an older one now, I've come to appreciate what purpose is and how I can make it (not waiting for it to be defined for me). I was also not very INTJ-ish when I was younger I guess. There was a lot of 'soul searching' going on.
Chris these video choices and timing are creepy sometimes, like right now, wth
Also, seeing that thumbnail made me feel things I wasn't expecting.
I must inspect why I reacted so strongly so that beautiful thumbnail.
Now, onto the video.
- Hikari, NiFe 9w1 so/sx 952 RLOAI LEVF Mel-Phleg IEI
I hope you and everyone you care for is doing well.
Thanks for this. I've always loved your videos and your work in general.
Btw it's also nice to see a fellow Ni-dom typology nerd who's into fighting games.
I find the community and personal working towards mastery and understanding and developing myself mentally through observing how I play.
Opposed to your achieving of flow state through competition. Reminds me of Tokido, who might also be an INTJ in the thoughts of some I've heard.
I mostly play Tekken, 3rd Strike, Garou, KOF stuff.
Thanks for those BlazBlue recommendations from so long ago.
I wish you growth and fulfilment onwards.
- Hikari
Tired of nihilism getting such a bad rap. So there is no purpose or meaning to anything, why should that be a bad thing? It would be far worse if there were a reason for why existence is the way it is.
need to rebuild my dirt bike, jump on after work for a short 30min ride out the back paddock! fun that doesn't gives you the choice to stay in your head, not going to last long before stacking ya bike trying to use intuition to make the decisions! dose help but cant really be done without that feeling turned right up for instant reaction
Accurate. Thank you.
Thank you so much, this video came at the right time for me 🙏
Ps. What’s the title of the thumbnail artwork ?
Curious, can you articulate shadow functions with the Ni-Ti loop phenomenon?
For example, Fi or Te for the INFJ?
As an INFJ, I have learned to pair my shadow Fi with my inferior Se as a way of switching gears from my Ni-Ti loop. Indeed, some might say that Fe can be synthesized from Se-Fi. What are your thoughts?
A lot of people choose (or have bestowed upon them) a religion (or less defined, spirituality) in order to feel that their lives have meaning. But it doesn't satisfy the reality truth-seeking of the Ni-Ti intellectual powerhouse.
When I was a young un' I'd picture the surface of the earth as a 3D graph with bulges popping up to represent the number of people and their religions and how they'd swell and spread and merge and contract and die. Religions are human storytelling (not a theory). I just wish they weren't so crap.
Nice one
So what are the main differences between the Ni-Ti loop and the Ni-Fi loop? I seem to get stuck in over-analyzing mode alot and I find it hard to "get my feet on the ground" so to speak. I'm an quite identified with the artist/mystic so I'm probably more likely to be an INFJ but I have gotten INFP, INTP and LII (INTj), IEI (INFp) on socionics tests.
Fe type for sure. How do you even get so much contradicting types, rather low self-awareness.
Ni-Fi - way too emotional intj, no desire to do anything, overindulging in Fi and Se, looks like IxFP, very stuck in his emotions and overindulges in sensory stuff.
Ni-Ti - overthinking about literally anything, INFJ becomes cold af and meaner and more reactive to everyone, especially about logical topics and his future, still passively uses Fe though( like Kaguya Shinomiya). Overindulging is also there(for both Se inf types).
INFJ will look like ISTP with boosted Ni( energetically would seem INTJ)
INTJ will look like ISFP
Do ISTPs have this problem in form of TiNi loop?
I would love to know as well. I find ISTPs fascinating 🦧
Can you do more Enfj Videos?
I think lost cause to talk about "infj" because over half are mistyped infp :(. Infp are the existential ones.
This is just my opinion so….
I feel there is over wrapped among INxx types. There is no such a clear cut to be one type. I just approach it depending on.
I feel like My personality tends to be INFP in the relationship with the world and questions on my existence takes me to the tendency of INFJ and INTP when I learn about new things.
I come across INFP/INFJ/INTP but INTJ.
You will see your cognitive fx can be shifted depending on the subject but within INxx types. My hub INTJ helps me fill the gaps in INxx types
That’s what I get after pondering long time.
Ps; our interest or motive drives us to certain dominated cognitive fx. I’m INFP so I’m more interested in human heart and soul but when I study physics or chemistry., I dive into the depth to understand each topic with Ti over Fi ; INTP/INFP are in brother sister relationship across brain and heart. Something like this. Based on deep understanding of human nature or condition, I pursue harmony with others at their level like INFJ. I’m keenly aware of Fe but it completely conflicts on my values or moral. I tend to out speak over not to compromise my values and moral regardless of Fe to feel sympathy toward others otherwise I pursue harmony with others through my empathy.
My point
The wiser and more matured we are the better we become 😸
INxx types
Possess critical thinking and radical thinking:)))
@@Ella-qg4bq you can’t pretend you’re all types! The sys says you are 1 type. What you are really saying is you don’t care what the sys says, your Fi feelings are really all that determines your personal truth in direct opposition to the Ti POV.
@@kinderlich It’s radical thinking lol 😆🙃
@@Ella-qg4bq thx…(I laughed)
@@kinderlich your sarcastic ways are spicy to think harder thank QQQ too 😊😸
Does Fe count with your pets? ;)
Even your bags and shoes and toys and plants and gadgets
Johan Liebert... anyone?
You think he might be NiTi?
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I think you’re an Istp and an enneagram type 5 with a specialist knowledge of ‘mbti’.
It doesn’t seem like you’re an Intj at all but that’s just my opinion. I do know you’re a practitioner but then I was mistyped by a practitioner too. 🤷🏻♂️
Definitely a heavy Ti user, but I think NiTi INFJ makes more sense than ISTP (either way, no trace of Te)
@@timefortee istps are not well explained by mbti. It limits their potential in so many ways.
I think Istps are type 5s and and seeing through enneagram it makes for a good explanation of an Istp.
@@hassanabbas4215 Like all the other types! MBTI communitirs online are full of clichés and restricting stereotypes (ENTPs are trolls, INTJs masterminds, ENFPs sillyheads, INFJs super-empaths, etc).
I know personally that quite a number of ISTPs falsely identify as INFJs, while to them it seems logical enough, the mistype is painfully, glaringly obvious to people who know them. Another ISTP I knew fully accepted being ISTP and was quite drawn to Ni themed subjects, it might have been the case that she was the TiNi subtype.
And to add to the sad state of MBTI now, the 4 subtypes are ignored when they are so very important.
As for the prevailing Enneagram of most ISTPs, I have no idea. The girl I mentioned def wasn't a 5, if one is to rely on 5's descriptions of being information/knowledge-gatherers and learners. She cared for direct experience, be it in Se terms or Ni spirituality and philosophy, and a huge need to feel securely grounded in the world.
@@timefortee Thanks for taking out the time to reply.
As for Type 5’s knowledge gathering, it’s not always that elaborate. Sometimes, they’d know things in general and would rather keep it to themselves than share.
Unless they’re working in specialised fields, they’d just generally gather information about random bits and bobs and wouldn’t consider themselves as knowledgeable either.
What’s more clearer is the essence of the personality I.e. staying detached and interacting with their thought process first.
Just how I see things though ^