I read a book about h*rny dragons and hated it
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Should I read any other romantasies? 😅
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The Throne of Glass series will definitely be a roller coaster 😏
Honestly, I would say the Crescent City books by Sarah J Mass are worth a shot. There are adult themes and things going on in the books, as she is well known for. But it is actually handled well, fits into the plot, and doesn't overstay its welcome so far. The story is interesting, and it has some downright action-packed and brutal moments in it that are awesome. However, take all this with a grain of salt. As I learned with this author, she can turn everything on its head and not in a good way, and there are only 2 of the five book series out at the moment.
@@ghastlymagician3336I really liked the fist one but the second book in CC was just plain adult cringe content.
Only if you want to 🤮
@Deni-mt9bj oh for sure there was that in the book, I just thought considering it was used in relation to the plot device for the book, and not just thrown in there for fillers sake, like a lot of those style of books tend to do, it would be a better option then some others.
This is why I think fantasy romance needs to be marketed in the romance section as it is its own distinct thing from adult fantasy.
Totally agree with you!
Also it's highly annoying when there's so many romantasy books between the actual fantasy and you more or less have to look inside the book to see if it's free of spice.
Nothing against spice or romance, but I want real fantasy where said topics are basically bystanders to the story, but not the center of it
They should just make a new sections for romance fantasy.
@@sk4348 i actually prefer fantasy romance myself, (tho not interested in any of the popular series) but hate that it is mixed with with regular fantasy because they are so night and day. the bookstores aren't even consistent about it, like stuff like fourth wing and acotar is in fantasy while similar stuff such as plated prisoner and fbaa are in romance. which means if the reader wants similar stories you have to look in both sections and its really hard trying to navigate the fantasy section because its not romance. i think it would be good for both readers to separate the two so readers get what they want more easily.
Literary would be shelved in general fiction here. But romance would basically include smut, erotica and regular romance stuff you see in regency and contemporary. There is also paranormal but fantasy romance has started to replace that. It just needs to be better understood bc adult fantasy should be for books that focus on fantasy elements first. General rule of thumb is if you can remove the romance and still have a story then it’s not romance. If the story falls apart it’s romance first most.
But it is still adult fantasy, it simply has romance. This book isn’t focused on the romance, so it wouldn’t make sense to distinguish it as romance fantasy. Yes, I’ve read it.
The thing the botters me the most about those "romantasy" books is that they read like YA, in both the writing and the more superficial exploration of themes, and at the same time posess A LOT of gore and sexual content. It causes confusion, since it feels like the writters dont really know for whom they writting for, teens or adults.
I loved your video tho 😂 your reaction was so funny
Ig both😂
I also feel like many times the characters come across as very young/teenager-ish so when they are...partaking (lmao) it just feels wrong to be reading.
@@vcarr938 true. They read like she's 14 and he's 17
I think when you say "it reads like YA", you are probably referring to the fact that it has... subpar writing. Which is often the case for 90% of the books published in the YA genre. However, the issue comes when these subpar writers are also horny adults who are eager to write smut and 'adult' themes. So they go ahead and write these books, but because their writing capabilities are nowhere near actual literary authors, they just shoehorn it into the YA section where they know it will be accepted. Hence, there's no real audience they are writing it for. It's just their own smut fantasies vomited out on a page.
Now, I'm not saying that ALL YA books are subpar. It is just that in the last few decades the genre has become so inundated with mediocrity that people don't even question it anymore.
There is a warning in the book telling you what it contains and the front cover isn’t subtle so the publisher or author cant be blamed on this one. Also for me this not proper fantasy it’s romantasy where fantasy is in the background and is just used for romance purposes which is why there is no major world building.
I feel like the new adult fantasy (what this is marketed as on GRs) is fast becoming by word for YA level plot but smutty.
Yeah this is either gonna split into its separate category of Adult Fantasy or we're gonna find a whole new age range between YA and Adult 😂 Youngish Adult 😂 jk jk
That's how it reads. High schoolers pretending to be 20 so they can go around adulting.
The problem is the prespective and the writing. It's a lot of words.
That’s accurate. I want my fantasy high and my smut separate 😂
Wasn't new adult _always_ just YA but smutty?
“Just got back from Church-time to finish Fourth Wing.”💀
Yup 😆
…so my friend group we all decided to read it. 3 guys and one gal. The whole “I’ want to climb him like a tree” that just got us all.
You and Reagan both hating this book reminded me once again why you're my favourite BookTubers.
Thank you for your sacrifice 🫡
Not Christian, but I also do not enjoy smut in my books. Thanks for the heads up, this would most definitely not be for me.
SAME! it takes me out of the story honestly. in the ACOTAR series everyone is obsessed with chapter 55 yet my favorite one was 54 because it actually brought the depth of the story deeper.
Out of curiousity, what is considered smut? There's a big difference between sex for sex sake and sex for a reason. Are novelists supposed avoid sex in novels? I mean there are a majority of writers out there writing terrible sex scenes and a majority of such sex scenes are hetero (so that's a whole other conversation).
Hey Jóhan! Thank you so much for letting me sponsor one of your videos. Always loved your content so this is a real treat. I'm quite the dragon fan myself, but this made me think of the Eragon sort of mind meld, so imagining that in an explicit scenario did give me the chills for a second.
Anne McCaffrey’s “Dragonriders of Pern” had the same type of urge-sharing bond between humans and dragons. So it has been done before. I agree, it just isn’t for me either
You said you don’t read a lot of YA but you should totally read Aurelian cycle by Rosaria Munda. The dragons have are good and the characters are also good. The politics it talks about are amazing. Political fantasy with dragons.
See, THIS is more of what I was expecting. When I hear dragons, I think GoT, and one of the best aspects of GoT were the politics of it, the alliances, the strategy, etc. Instead we get a Danielle Steel novel with magic and dragons. Disappointed isn't the word.
I think what makes the whole ‚feeling hrny bc her dragon is‘ situation even worse is that her relationship to her dragon feels kinda like a father daughter relationship doesnt it?😅 which makes xaden her step brother in some way….
I was curious over the hype but not anymore. Thank you for sacrificing for the rest of us 😅
I'm definitely loving the vlog format
Thank you!
@@libraryofaviking you're welcome. As for the content of this book, I'll leave that to my wife to read 😂🤣
Now that you got that out of the way The Aurelian Cycle is MUCH better. Dragon riding, excellent politics and digging into moral questions, excellent pacing and plot, intriguing characters, and just a little angst. I highly recommend it. Fireborne is the first book!
Oh I have heard great things about that one! Thanks for the recommendation!
thank you for commenting this because I was looking for a book series that had the dragons and riding in it without the awkward sex scenes in it, I enjoyed Fourth Wing if it wasnt for the sexual parts, I thought the story itself was quite good
Thank you for taking one for the team! With my TBR as long as it is and so many great books on it, this is an easy one to avoid.
It’s hard cause I want to give in to the hype cause it’s shiny and new but I agree, all the booktubers I admire say it’s trash so I should prolly pass
I’m cackling while listening to this. I happen to adore angsty teenage romance sprinkled amongst my grimdark. While kind of low key mocking myself for reading it.🙈
I haven’t had a chance to read Fourth Wing yet, but there is an uncomfortably large chance I will actually like it. But it will not be one of the books I take along to church.😅
Haha glad you are enjoying my pain 😆 I hope you will enjoy it if you pick it up!
Love this video. Was laughing so hard. I was waiting for you to reach the adult part. Thanks for the good time :D
This is definitely one of your funniest contents🤣
Please keep doing this kind of video
Oh man, I was waiting for this review. This is awesome :)
However, I do find it strange to have a sponsor for a book you haven't read, in a review for another book?
You are a trooper, sir, and if I could, I would buy you that beer myself, lol. But you sound like me after I read the A Court of Thorns and Roses series, because a dear friend of mine asked me to. Started off well enough, but by the end, I was questioning the meaning of life 😅.
That series... I didn't get past the first book. I think this one could be much better, but way out of line with the sexual contents.
Congratulations that you made it to the end 😂. I dnf'ed it half way through...i simply couldn't go on 😂. In the beginning I found it was ok and I was interested which way it will go to...well, I'll never know 😆
Yep, my experience was similar. I ended up thinking it was far ‘less bad’ than I thought
Sorry you had a similar experience!
Me too i totally agreed with it. The way it has been hyped up the way it has such positive reviews. I was caught in this read the most popular to end up being disappointed.😅
This was hilarious. Nice job.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it 😆
Something like that happend in Eragon too, Eragon was thinking in romantic way about Arya, and Saphira felt that too.
ohh yes, I was waiting for this one hahah
Thanks for the review and saving me time, money. I hate when they throw smut in! It really isn’t necessary.
I like the vlog theme, but in the future I think you should stick to books that are on your TBR
LOL your wife sounds hilarious. Great video. I was debating picking this one up or not.
Haha she's amazing! Thank you!
Cuando leo autoras nuevas, no suelo buscar que han publicado previamente, pero en este caso por alguna razon lo busqué y me quedé un poco sorprendida porque todos sus libros anteriores se veian muy lejos de la fantasía y mas de "relaciones tormentosas" y pues al terminar de leerlo me di cuenta de una frase: uno nunca puede negar sus raíces 😂😅
😂😂🤣🤣 I love that you mostly share positive content, but these rant reviews are priceless 😂😂😂
The bond isn’t that she’s horny because her dragon is horny-the bond in the beginning makes it hard to differentiate her feelings from her dragons. This emotional leakage, you could call it, is important-because the narrator tells us that dragon bonds become stronger each time a dragon bonds. The theory is also that Violet and Xaden’s dragons being bonded leads to the likelihood that they are fated mates as well.
The plot is actually super interesting. The potential directions the plot can go are what make this book what it is.
Romantasy isn’t for everyone. 😂
The plot is interesting? For me it was hunger Games plus dragons
Ugh not the "mate" thing as if it wasnt gross enough in acotar.
@@javierlopez9789 spoken like someone who’s never had a deep connection with another human lol.
@@carissawills7377 i don't even want to know what kind of relationships you have with humans in general if you associate it with the term "mate".
@@javierlopez9789 …it’s literally the term from the book, bro 😂😂😂
I think this was a pretty fair review. I liked the setting and the pacing and the representation of EDS and having a character who is deaf. But if you don't like enemies to lovers or explicit scenes, then for sure it's probably not the book for you, which is perfectly valid.
Yeah i really hate the whole enemies to lovers thing, mostly because of how unrealistic it is, it's like a 13 year old romanticizing the way two people simply don't like each other, i just can't take it seriously (especially when they make grown people act like horny teenagers), also according to most authors an "enemy" is just a mean person, like sure lol. I was gonna read the book but luckily my cousin warned me about it's actual "plot" if we can call it that.
Nice video! How about trying the Temeraire series by Naomi Novik.
That was the point of scene where her dragon didn’t shield her from his feelings, and then both main characters questioned their feelings because thought it was because their dragons felt this way. But they learned to shield, to separate their own emotions (at least Vi did, Xaden already knew how to do it but he was in denial of his feelings 🤷♀️😂)
IDK, it worked for me 😁
I was facepalming and laughed, but I loved the rest of the story so all these romantic stuff didn’t destroy the book for me 😁
Yeah that's a valid point! I am really glad you enjoyed the book;
I think your conclusions are totally fair! I enjoyed Fourth Wing but I liked the first half a lot better for the same reasons as you. I'm more of an Epic Fantasy reader than a Romance Fantasy reader myself. I'd love to hear what your wife thinks of it XD
There is precedent in fantasy for doing something like this. I'm not telling you that you should like it, only that others have done this. I'm mainly thinking of Anne McCaffrey's Dragonriders of PERN series does this, too.
I agree. And if you were shocked at horny dragons, best to avoid reading about when the Queen rises to mate, chased by several male dragons and the actual consumation not necessarily consensual and definitely not gentle. I don't understand the use of h*rny or s*x to describe horny and sex. Wtaf???
Horses are majestic, unless you watch them daily farting and trying to mate. Animals mating is gross. No dragon lust, please.
Nothing better to follow up a lovely Sunday morning Church visit than with Fourth Wing 🤣🤣
I definitely enjoyed this a lot more than you did, but purely on a 'this is escapist brain candy' kinda level, hahah. Nice experiment, I loved the vlog style! 🤩
Haha definitely a big contrast 😂
I am glad you enjoyed it!
Fourth wing was terrible. I just finished it and it started off good but then once it got into the sex stuff my god it was AWFUL. The best parts of it(dragons and magic) are about 5% of the entire novel
Hey man!
How about a Dragon fantasy Top 10 list and/or Tier list?
Good idea 👀
@@libraryofaviking yoooo lets goo
Yesssss
You read the dragonriders of perm, a scifi dragon staple?! :P
This is the best fourth wing review I’ve seen haha
I wasn't following booktube for a while so when I found this video I wondered why you picked this book....Jesus Christ this book is EVERYWHERE 😂
This was hilarious! Very happy to see you wearing your Christianity on your sleeve. Ybic
This is weird. I was shopping in Waterstones just this morning and three people had this in there posession around one of the tables and they seemed extremely excited.
I would like to recommend a 3 book trilogy from Rebecca schefaer. Not Even Bones, Only Ashes Remain, When Villains Rise.
Thank you for the recommendation!
LOVE these books. I do admit, the first book to me is a little rough, and I personally felt like it needed more work before publishing. But by the second book her quality in writing improved 10 fold!
I love this 😂😂 brilliant I was going to say now your wife needs to read it too 😂😂
I’m glad you read it so I don’t have to 😂. Your suffering was not in vain!
I love this review! I mean I'm sorry that it made you uncomfortable but your honesty is refreshing 🙂
However well done to finishing it. Probs not for me tbh so I thank you sir for sacrificing your time to read it so I don't have to 😁
It sounds like an attempt to modernize the Dragonriders of Pern.
What did you think about Hunger Games?
This is HILARIOUS as to how kind of innocent this is. But curious...are we to be okay with violence of men and war and not sex and sexuality?
I don't know why but I nope out when a book is marketed as smut
That happened one because Xaden help Violet to block Tairn’s feelings. So, it is worth it to read Iron Flame.
So its basically a book form of that Rick and Morty episode
I audibly laughed at at the seven minute mark 😂😂😂 this is what I watch UA-cam for
Update: walking down the street, uncontrollably cracked up when you talked about this book stretching your imagination 😅 imagining dragons a little tooooo much
I flee if I sniff even a hint of romantasy. The whole book screams at me visually :D
My feelings towards angsty YA marketed as Adult Fantasy : I DNFed "Atlas Six" at page 8.
I don't mind it there is some romance in my Fantasy books, I don't mind if some things are implied but I rather not have the details. For example the explicit details from "The Green Bone Saga" and "The Broken Earth" felt unnecessary and added just for shock value. And I am saying that even though I loved both series.
But are you talking just about the sexual themes, or other things in general too? Because shock value isn’t just about sex. Genuinely asking!
I was hoping this would be similar to Anne McCaffery's Pern? Maybe I should just go back and read McCaffery. There's about 5 seconds of sex but most of it is Thread trying to burn everyone's faces off. If I am going to read smut, I kind of want a heads up. Lol.
Yeah, I am questioning the romance between the two main characters due to the link with dragons. I loved it for the other parts of the book but the romance was the weakest part.
Also do read more weird books. I had picked it up for the stencilled edges and it was before it exploded all over social media.
this is how I felt reading this book too! started off alright very YA and then it just went weird. I feel it would of been better without the weird dragon shhmuut. I think this would be higher on my like list if this stayed YA and left out the random dragon spice and had more world building.
Screw the book, how was the jam?
Thats the most *I'm so done* title i have ever seen you put on a video lmao
Thanks for saving me the read.
I hate love triangles. A tad of romance is okay but I mean not too much.
I love dragons, my favorite dragon authors are Patricia C Wrede though placed ya it's just good fun fantasy and you'd like it. Then Barbara Hambly.
Bella L
This reminds me of Along the Razor's Edge. There's a certain scene in the later half of the book I just couldn't get over. Completely destroyed the flow of the story and I ended up dropping the whole series.
this review was so funny. i've had it on my TBR for months and your review has just bumped it up so much because of how much you were laughing 😂
I take no responsibility at all for putting you through this 😂😂😂
I like
Genuinely can’t tell if people hate this book
Or love it secretly and just
Are uncomfortable
Wish there was more focus on the human-dragon relationship, like, sometimes there are whole chapters in which there is practically NO dialogue with dragons...
if you're looking for Christian sci fi and fantasy I'd recommend:
Brother Wolf by Eleanor Bourg Nicholson - Christian take on werewolf stories
A Bloody Habit by Eleanor Bourg Nicholson - Christian take on vampires
Eifelheim by Michael Flynn - first contact story in Middle Ages Germany
A Canticle for Leibowitz by Walter Miller Jr - Catholic monastery in the aftermath of World War 3
And Tim Powers' work in general has a Christian undercurrent but especially in his novel Declare. Though his work does lean towards historical fiction than just fantasy.
Jóhan learning about Omegaverse for the first time =))))
anw, I also don't want to read about Dragon in heat, not the mystical majestic being I know being reduced to housed dogs
This was the same issue I had with the book. First half was fun, school vibes, challenges, making friends, overcoming fears and using her knowledge from being a scribe to survive. ..... Then the second half happens : / . goes to ultra horny, and unhealthy obsession with Riorson and depletes the plot. When you were reading about his muscles I spat my water out! It sounds ridiculous when ya read it out loud. I cant stop laughing.
How is this YA?? Just the blurb would turn me away. Yeah definitely go back to church Johan looooool
I feel like everyone one thinks there is to much romance in this book, i agre it a litle graphic, but the next book is brobably going to go more in depth in the universe wile as Xaden and Violet relationship become more off a side subject.
So it turned out to be furrybait smut.
Is that episode of Rick and Morty where rick bonds with his horny dragon based on this book??
The part about their dragons being horny is actually so… minimal? It’s talked about so much in this video that it sounds like it’s recurrent or super important but it’s not. It’s a single scene from the MCs POV who happens to be feeling what they’re feeling, but the scene is focused on HER, not on the dragons. It is weird to sexualize dragons and I did find it weird to read, but about the dragons themselves, it’s very minimal! I think it’s a bit blown out of proportion in this video, tbh!
Now I am really glad I sold my copy.
8:43 sooooo I'm guessing you've never read anything in Anne McCaffrey's Dragonriders of Pern series? 😂 Two words: mating flights. Pern was one of the OG dragonrider series and, contrary to initial appearances, technically is sci-fi rather than fantasy.
For romantasy recs that an epic fantasy reader would enjoy, I'm gonna recommend Melanie Cellier's Spoken Mage series. She's self-published and writes clean romance. Most of her back catalogue is fairytale retellings, but the Spoken Mage series is an original world and I found it a nice fun read as someone who almost exclusively reads epic fantasy. The romance storyline is pretty trope-y (common-born girl discovers she has special magic; gets sent to magic school where the brooding, aloof prince happens to be her classmate) but there's a decent epic fantasy storyline and magic system that is the main focus. If you enjoy the Spoken Mage books, there's also a sequel series set 20 years later called the Hidden Mage which follows the next generation and ties up some of the smaller loose ends to do with the magic that weren't resolved by the end of the Spoken Mage series.
I haven't yet but it's on my tbr! Thank you for the recommendation!
Thank you for reading it so I don't have to. 😂
the worst part about this book was that the book without the screwing dragons and obsessed humans was awesome imo, she wrote a good book and added sex into it for no reason, I am 36 years old and was listening to the audiobook while playing BG3 and got embarrassed for the writer a couple times lol
Yes. It would have been better without the explicit sex.
Also, I think that if a male author had a male character speaking about a girl the way Violet talks about Xaden, it would be heavily criticized if even published at all.
@@Nassaldromus agreed
I made it through The 4th Wing then it was time for Iron Flame, both audiobooks. Needless to say I couldn't make it through the Iron Flame. Between the narrator's burbs and teenie bop obsession with Xaden I couldn't finish. I was drawn to the dragons and magic powers of course but The Fifty Shades of Grey/Twilight/Eragon mashup was too much. All of the high ratings have to be from girls from the ages of 15 to 25. I thought I could make it through it but nah, I'm good.
Yes! More to the vlogs! For me, the problem with romantasy and romance in general, is that it’s only rarely about romance and almost entirely about sexual attraction. And the whole added dragon element? No. Just no. Absolutely not.
Oh dear.
Please avoid Nocticadia, I had the misfortune of reading it and cringed the entire time. 🤣
Thanks for the warning 😅
Why do you act surprised. A lot of dragon books the dragon is mentally attached to their rider and share the thoughts and emotions. Inheritance cycle by Christopher Palani for example
Everything in this book was extremely convenient. I understand your point about the dragons. I think it does sour the romance. Enemies to lovers are typically slowburn and it just feels like a plot device to speed it up to get to the smut. It also feels uncomfortable because until it gets to the se*ual bits, the MC reads like an immature 15 year old girl. Then suddenly, she acts like a p*rn star. It is ... jarring.
I get the sense you haven't read any of the Dragonriders of Pern books ;)
Not yet but they are on my tbr! Surely they are not the same as Fourth Wing!?
@@libraryofaviking Based on your video, I'd say they're quite different, but Fourth Wing has taken some inspiration from Pern. In the Pern world, dragons and their riders have an intense psychic connection, which means that when dragons mate, their riders get exceptionally randy.
@@e.d.m3076ew
It begans so good (well, I could live with less whinning about how weak the MC is) the story has good potential, there was the dragons bonding magic mystery... then screeching halt to the action... I hope to give it more than 3 stars but...
Wait wasn't this a Rick and Morty episode? 😳
funny, fantasy lover and christian?? Subscribed😂
It is just Twilight 2.0, big media repercusion and publisized under the fantasy tag, may be good or an ok romance novel but also a terrible as a fantasy novel because as i said they use fantasy as the bait not as the main focus of the story.
Great video! I'm reading Jade City and i was not expecting the very detailed sex scene (Hilo&Wen) especially not in the first 50 pages. I'm still liking the book and will most likely read the rest of the trilogy but it just gave me strong smut fan fic vibes and I haven't been able to take it as seriously as i'd like despite reading over 200 more pages since.
I felt the same way! I DO NOT want or need smut or religion in my fantasy . HOWEVER, Joe Abercrombie does the odd bit here and there so well and with humour!
@@tanja9364 I still haven't read any of hiss books. the first law is on my list though! i don't mind religion when its part of the worlds lore, Sanderson has different religions in both Mistborn and Stormlight and i think they add a lot to the world-building and the story
Christian fiction is a worthy video. I'm always on the lookout for Christian fantasy and science fiction. Christian romance is covered pretty well. 😆
It's definitely a subgenre I need to explore more!
As a Christian fantasy author and reader, I concur!!!
@@eurydiceshadowcry Any readers who were squicked out by Fourth Wing's dragon-influenced-lust should read content warnings for Pern, which literally does this in a non-consensual way with the main characters. Dragonflight (Book 1): "He had not thought to control his dragon-incited emotions, and Lessa’s first s3xual experience had been violent...He had been a considerate and gentle bedmate ever since, but, unless Ramoth and Mnementh were involved, he might as well call it r@pe." Several of the Pern books do this. Dragonsong does not, and is probably the safest/best option of the early books. Just wanted to warn anybody who was interested in dragon books, I was not expecting SA in the Pern books and it caught me offguard.
Man you gotta read more YA now
This was really enjoyable lmao
Hahah don't tempt me 😂
Scones & cream & jam look so delicious. But please, for the love of humanity, ask the Brits to rename "clotted" cream. The only thing that is supposed to clot is blood. Why would they use that name? It grosses me out so much!
Love this comment 😂
Clotted cream is from South west England where I'm from. The cream is heated until it clots hence the name. It's the best cream you can get and we are very proud of it.😊
Theres a reason that i rarely *aka never* read hyped up tiktok darlings that fall into the romance YA genre, its not written for me, and my TBR is hundreds of books long, I dont have the time to read shit like this that i KNOW i wont enjoy
Sorry for your loss of time
I liked it until the sex scene then I DNF’d 😂 I’m Christian too
I like the name and I love the book cover but it sounds like the whole book it a bunch of great ideas 💡 and wasted potential.