WATCH BEFORE BUYING BALANCING BEADS FOR YOUR NEW WHEELS!
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2021
- WATCH BEFORE BUYING BALANCING BEADS FOR YOUR NEW WHEELS!
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14 wides and a smooth ride can’t be said in the same sentence 😂
They rode better than my 12 wides tbh lol
Cap me and my deddy got 26x14s mine shake bad wid beads his ride like butter wid regular weights
My 26x14s ride great with king shocks…
If you having vibrations under 30 you might need one of those wheel centric rings that center your new wheel to the hub also for the size tire you have you would need 14oz of balance beads per rim/tire but more then likely the rim just isn’t centered correctly on the hub face causing a permanent vibration. Also your tattoo switched sides half way threw the video
Brah, holy shit the tattoo wtf 🤣🤣🤣
This is a bit late but the video just inverted…
Custom Offsets installed everything so I have no idea what weight of balancing beads they used, but I didn't have a hub centric wheel ring so that's a possibility to what was causing the issue. And yeah just the difference between front and rear camera on my phone makes it look different.
If you have a problem, and you're setup is lug-centric instead of hub-centric, that is the first thing to rule out.
Damn it, i could have gone my whole life without seeing that!
After watching your video a few things come to mind.
1. Did you have tire weights on your tires before you switched to the beads? If so, approximately what was the maximum amount of balance weight you had on any one tire?
2. How many ounces of beads did they put in your tires?
3. The amount of weight in balance beads should be equal or more that the greatest amount of wheel weights you had on your tires. If not, you WILL have, and did have balance issues.
4. Adding too much balance beads is pretty much not possible (with in reason) because of the nature of how they operate.
There are charts that recommend by tire size how many ounces of beads to put in each tire. These charts are based on tire size-weight averages. And if yours apparently are not average. Or your wheels are not average or balanced. You will have to add more bead weights. How do we know if they are average or not? It's very hard to tell.
On my Jeep the tires are 1 size taller than stock. On 1 tire I had to add 5 ½ oz of lead weight to that tire. It apparently is not average. 2 tires have less than 2 oz of lead weight and 1 tire had no weights.
Most of those charts and the manufactures of the beads will say that if there are out of balance issues after the recommend amount beads have been installed. You will have to add more beads. It seems that you have not done this. And because of that you had issues that could have been easily fixed.
It seems that you may have less weight in beads vs tire weights in your tires. Which will cause you have balance issues. There is no way around this.
Saying that wheel weights are better than balance beads when apparently your tires have less weight in balance beads installed vs wheel weights. Is almost like saying the heater in my truck doesn’t heat the truck when it is 20f outside when I go down the freeway at 60mph with 2 windows open because I like the airflow.
I would suggest to add 2oz of balance beads to each tire and then run them. If it feels better but not good. Add 1oz at a time after that till it is good.
Is this a PIA to do. Yes. But when you get finished you truck’s tires will run smooth and longer till the tread is gone. 😀
No manufacturer of them recommends use with wide low profile ties.
I use them, balance beads, in all my trucks. The issue I have found, depending on the tire, is the suggested weight of the beads may be to low. On tire’s that are heavy, 37’s for example or 19.5” commercial tires, I add 35-45 percent more balance beads over what is spec’d.
if you're running a 37-38 inch tire and it's a heavy one with lots of sidewall you should be using 14 ounces on each tire. If you're load range E or above with plenty of sidewall or you're a class 6/8 tire you should be using between 14 and 18 ounces each tire. My lifted and modified Ex is a bit over 9k pounds so I run heavy truck off-road tires and those things are a bit over 200lbs each between wheel and tire. That's a lot of weight to balance.
Did you add the right amount for your tire size ?
Static balance my first time trying beads on my new 26x14 on 37 they have done 8 Oz now 6 Oz they suck still shake my other truck had Static with weight same size never shaks
Been using beads for the last 15 years with ZERO issue, except for the time i used them in my car. For what it’s worth, they’re NOT recommended for cars. I’m assuming that the reason why you had issues is because of the tire its self. Low profile tires are not recommended to have beads. Have over 60,000 miles expierence on my cycle and LOVE THEM in the cycle. Put 4 ounces in my stock ram 1500, 20” tires, and had no problem in there.
Are your tires the issue? Are they out or round?
Honestly no idea, I sold the truck and wheels a couple months later. I'm thinking either a tire out of round or an improper amount of beads in the tires
i had a problem with my arkons. I used stick weights and come to find out it was a wheel that was out of round. Also it could be tire issue
What did you do to fix it?
That's good to know, I never thought of the actual wheel itself being out of round. I thought maybe the tire could have been, but not the wheel
I just got my wheels and tires and I went with balancing beads 😢 trash mine only smooth out at speeds over 78 to 85 any slower feels like my truck front end is gonna come apart I have to look these up because tire shop said oh you’ll love them came home 85 miles but had to do 85 miles an hour was a quick trip home but omg truck is going back to shop I’m getting wheel weights back on thanks for the video
Hopefully you got the issue figured out! Sometimes beads are great, and sometimes they aren't! I just like my sticky weights the most.. they haven't let me down yet!
Did u use a hub centric ring. Alot of times when it does shake it's not the balancing it's the tire not sitting flush... I used them and my vibration went away
I did not.. I've never needed to use them on any of my trucks.. but I have used them on a couple of my cars in the past so that could have possibly been the reason for the shake
@@Itsjustacoyotee I put a set on n it killed out the vibration
Using balancing beads for 8 years and will never go back.
What size wheels and tires are you using them in..I'm a female and I currently have 22x12 with 35" tires and my truck shakes between 57 thru 65 mph 😳
They work great in my semi tires! I had a bad experience with these.. also a possibly somebody put way to much or not enough beads in when installing mine.
I've heard they work best on narrow tires, like a motorcycle tire, but these wider tires- not so much.
I haven't heard that one before.. but its possible! I use them in my semi tires and they work great for that application
To be fair and prove u don't have a issue with the tires or the rims being off or bent from brand new you should have had them balanced with stick on weights to prove it was the beads but I've used them on trailer tires and truck tires with no issues
If I was going to keep the wheels and tires I would have done that. I never said not to use them, I just shared my experience with them.. but yes, there's a possibly a new wheel could have been bent or even a tire could have been out of round.. even possible that someone forgot to put beads in one of the wheels
@@Itsjustacoyotee How can you say you "never said not to use them" when the cover photo of your video is literally a 🚫 over the words "Balancing Beads"??
The ABC balance beeds supposedly stay in place due to static electricity I hope they work I'm getting new 35/12.5 bfg's 2 day and using ABC beeds the 33's on it now shake at 60 but was unable to use the block type weights due to lack of room between the brake calipers and rim becuz I went with a 17" rim instead of 18 regrettably..so I'm hoping for the best with the ABC beeds my appointment is at 8 am this morning 5-19-22 will let u no how they work
How did them ABC beads turn out?
Hopefully they are working for you!
I had the same issue, i guess they put the wrong weigh beads in it. Ordered some 6 oz and had 0 shake after that.
Huh, if I still had mine I'd change them and see if that fixed the issue, maybe that was the only issue then
I know this was a year ago but Custom Offsets quality has gone way done. In finish and true roundness. I bought a set when Arkon 1st came out and they rode beautifully. I bought another set last year and the chrome had flaws in every wheel and the ride was horrible. I even had the tire shop put a wheel with no tire on the machine and you could see it wobble up and down. It called for 6ozs with no tire.
I know someone with a highly modified big block Chevy humvee, uses balance beads. Huge tires over 40’s, smooth on highway with balance beads.
I know someone with a jeep,stretched wheelbase, massive differential housings, custom suspension and huge coil overs, custom suspension links with solids rod ends, it’s a serious rock crawler, beadlock wheels. 44 inch tires. drives it to work sometimes. No issues down highway at speeds faster than most people ever drive. Also uses balance beads.
I asked them both about balance beeds cause discount tire is getting stupid with prices to buy street tires for regular trucks, and I refuse to use clip on weights, I use adhesive weights in the inside.
I know many performance street cars run forgeline wheels, and they have said they can throw a tire on those wheels without balancing and they are smooth to 135 all the time.
Motorcycle tires have a yellow dot. When I rod many other owners would mount their own tires with the correct tools called spoons. You align the yellow dot on the tire with valve stem on the wheel and don’t need to balance. Motorcycle wheels are balanced.
So quality of wheels and tires and size is a direct correlation to how well they balance.
Not to mention huge tires and wheels weigh a lot. Bearings and hub assemblies take a beating from oversized tires, and parts wear out when vehicles are modified beyond what the factory intended.
I have seen big 2500 series diesel pickups that drag race, every 6 months, they replace bearings in the axle housings. People should learn that when you modify things parts wear out faster and periodic maintenance increases.
Under 40mph a tire balance doesn't seem to matter and if you feel shaking at lower speeds, then its the tread on tire or something else. I removed 3oz of balance weights in my 20's and immediately noticed an improvement with 5oz of beads put in all my tires. I like the idea that as you pickup rocks and ice, the wheels with try to balance through the life of the rubber. Wheels before I had always gotten choppy on 2 different vehicles. I'm hoping beads are thee answer going forward. I've heard great things from a number of drivers who used them for years.
I like the menorah shovel...
Bill's Service Center t-shirt! Are you around Stratford? I was looking for videos on balancing beads for my Can-Am Defender that I bought from Bill's last summer. I just put 30x10x14 System3 XTR370s on beadlocks today, and now it shakes over 45 MPH, gonna try the beads.
Yes sir! I bought my can am renegade from them back in 2019 lol great people! And maybe the beads will work better for that application!
@@Itsjustacoyotee Small world, ha ha! I hope I can remember to comment back if the beads do or don't work for my application.
@@RollingLogs21 if you remember let me know! Good luck haha
Possible that a rim is out of true,should of had that checked.
For the most part to me we all seemed to have thought the same thing and trusted the same people to do the work. Dropped off my truck tonight at les schwab tonight to get sticky weights tomorrow.
Hopefully sticky weights fix it!
@RecklessOffsets literally night and day better
@RecklessOffsets les schwab said 2 tires needed 1 or 2 oz. And the other 2 were like 6 and 7oz. Truck rides so smooth now.
Literally my steering wheel shake was so bad I thought it was just my steering ball joints. Replaced all that with kryptonite parts and then got it aligned and my entire cab started to shake because the ball joints were good. The removal of beads was the best thing I did. Probably didn't really need to replace the steering after all... don't tell the wife..
Those ghetto wheels gave me sickle cell.
Thanks a lot
What does that even mean like?I understand what you're going for but your premise makes no sense.You get Sickle cell from tires. I mean, he's clearly not an individual.That would get sickle cell anemia.Yet he has the same tires As the darker complexion person you speak of maybe you don't know, but this really isn't the place for that.I'm sure there are plenty of rallies where you live.That will support your b s but here we're trying to learn about tires
Off set tires,have to get a aliment
We run balancing beads on all our builds. It could be that there is the wrong amount of weight in balancing beads for your wheels and tires setup
It's possible. I ordered from Custom Offsets and they were the ones to mounted them and added the beads. I sold them a while ago.
I have the same issue . Purchased from custom offsets as well . Vibrate bad at 65+.
@@johnspringer626 yep same here with custom Offsets. Got their 22x12 DaVinci's and shook like crazy
@@robertking5701I have the same 22x12 davinci and they vibrate between 55 and 70 mph im thinking of adding more beads
@@antoniodimeo6893 more beads won't work if you're running low profile tires, they need some sidewall height to work properly. Check the balance on the wheel itself, custom offset quality has been going down their wheels aren't the same standard they used to be may be source of your problem.
It’s possible that they didn’t know what they were doing because they could have put to many or not enough….there is a chart with amounts for different size tires.
That's what I wondered too honestly. Either to many or not enough beads
The beads work better on bigger tires, as in the tractor trailer size tires
I was recommended the beads by custom offsets for this set up, they are also the ones to installed everything. But yes, I use them in my semi tires and they work great for that application
Work great for normal tires Not rubber band tires .
Respectufully, you sound like a tire shop owner...
Please tell if your tires had weights previously, and if so, what type of weights, etc. Please note that before using tire balancing beads you should remove completely the fixed weights. If the tires has no weights previously, (before applying balancing beads) please clarify that.
NO matter how big your tires are, MAYBE your specific issue to your case is the aspect ratio of them.... too way width in relation to its profile.
....¿Did you put the correct amount for the tire size/weight?
Etc.
Thanks!
Wish I did research on beads and wide tired bc I put mine on and they are dog shit on my setup
Everyone that I asked told me they work good on wide set ups because apparently they're hard to balance.. but tbh my beads were absolute dog shit too and they always shook. I think I would have had better luck with sticky weights.
@@Itsjustacoyotee I guess we just got the shit end of the stick, i have them in some 35x13.5 on 22x14’s I can’t go past 50mph with out the truck shaking like hell, trying to find a shop that will fix this for me
If I were you I’d break the beads and take the beads out without moving the tire or mark the tire and put them back on and balance them on the machine because in theory if you don’t need them what are they supposed to do with themselves. Maybe they caused more problems
Sounds like they put cat litter or airsoft ammo in your tire. Ceramic or glass balance beads shouldn't be that loud as they are very very tiny.
Shake also could be an install issue lowpro tires like that when you mount them the tire beads seat uneven. I would take them down to a tire shop that specializes in bro dozer tires and have them reset the beads on the rim.
Same, I have 22x10 arkon wheels with balancing beads and I get a horrible shake going 60 mph, I’m gonna take them off
Go to sticky weights instead and it'll be smooth
Meant to say 22x12
@cperez1320 still go to the sticky weights, I've ran 24x12, 20x12, 22x10, and my current set on my truck is 22x12 and I've ran sticky weights on all of them with no issues, if I went to 14 wides again I'd 100% go with sticky weights again too
@@Itsjustacoyotee yes anything but these balancing beads, lesson learned
@@cperez1320 yup same here! Lol
Balance beads have been used in semi tires for years.
I use them in my semi tires and they work great, but I was not happy with how bad they were in these tires.
time to get a bubble balancer.
Obviously nobody talk to you about your tire size before you use the beads. That's unfortunate because no matter the brand bead, they do not work with low profile tires. Could have saved you money time and frustration. I'm sorry for your experience. But the beads do work with large tires as long as they are not below a 65 series sidewall
Beads were recommended by custom Offsets, and they definitely sucked with the setup.. I run beads in my semi tires, and they work great for that!
@@Itsjustacoyotee I run them in my 35-17's.... 8 oz per tire and they're smooth up to 80 mph I don't take the truck over that
If you have under 37th and they can go on a traditional balancing machine go that route I’m running 40s which won’t fit on any balancing machine out there so beads are the only way to go
At the tire shop I see more people problems with weights than balancing beads
I wonder why your stock wheel and 12.5 don't shake and the 15 wides do? Seems like you're trying to fix an issue that will plague wide tires no matter what you do. Beads only fix up and down vibration/bounce, not side to side shake, beads have nothing to do with your issues.
beads are fantastic for people that actually go off road and get mud packed wheels.
Mannnnn I have the same exact problem
Bout all you can do is take out the beads and sticky weight balance them lol
Centric hub ring... Beads work better with bigger tires like 37 n up
Anybody watching this video?If you are going to do balancing beats the only thing i've learned is you gotta go 1 oz for every 13 pounds. Everything I've watched. The worst part is nobody puts enough. And it will not hurt if you get a little bit extra.
For 14 wide wheels you need at least 16 ounces of beads
Them side walls is too short for “off-roading”
Just my cents in here, wide wheels like this and even bigger than oem will vibrated and that’s not Becouse the balance beads. I’m sure this is your first wide wheels that you ever owned.
you need to use the proper type of beads for what you are using them in.. Makes a big big big difference
I don't understand how these work... If they just roll around inside the tire, how will it locate the heaviest side of the wheels? I don't get it.
At higher speed the centrifugal force slings them out, then your imbalance will let them naturally find a spot to gather in. I’m trying to figure out if this is the route I want to go
@@StephenBrewer89 100%, a physics I class covers this
Should of paid attention.in Science class, fool
@@labarbieXCJNGX I didn't even take physics. Stopped taking math and science when I got enough credits. Took extra weight lifting classes and computer science instead.
What brand was used? A LOT of people don't use the RIGHT tire balancing beads. DO NOT USE substitute airsoft BB's for tire balancing beads! True balancing beads have a specific size, they are coated to repel moisture, some are electrostatic, they don't break down etc.
Also use the RIGHT AMOUNT of balancing beads! Better to go too much rather than too little, but way too much is not good either. Companies that have balancing beads will tell you how much to buy. More often than not people don't use balancing beads correctly.
Having said all this, there may be an issue with low profile extremely wide tires....I'm not sure. I use them in my RV because I have valve extenders on my duallys (permanent kind, not screw on) and the hood does not close on a traditional tire balancer.
Good info. So I have a question for ya. I used to have toyo open country rt 33 x 12.5 18s amd had beads put in at the dealer with zero issues. Truck road awesome. I just recently bought venom power trail in the same size and the dealer put 6 ounces of beads in them and at 75 or faster it shakes so I went to another local shop and he removed the beads out of one tire amd put it on the balancing machine amd it called for 12 ounces on the outside of the rim and 6 on the inside so he just put 12 ounces of beads in all four tires and it's worse. Do you have any suggestions on my next step?
The tires and wheels are probably imbalanced at the same point and causing an imbalance that the beads can't balance out.
Spin the tires 1/2 turn on the wheels and try again.
*wheel weights can have the same issue... this can be seen when a lazy installer sticks 2 lbs of weights on a wheel trying to balance it.
If you are hub centric check the hub sizing, and still follow proper lug tightening to help ensure center.
Seems to me based on my research that BB are hit or miss 50/50 some people love them some hate them, please keep us posted if you figure out what the problem is. thanks for sharing
I actually just sold the wheels today lol I definitely didn’t like them, they were nothing but a nightmare for me… my buddy had the same issues with his last set of wheels.. but his new set he went bigger and now has 40s and has really good luck with them!
@@Itsjustacoyotee thanks for sharing, definitely share your next set and balancing method i’m trying to figure out a vibration on mine
@@ebaysnipa will do man! And hopefully you get it figured out!
@@Itsjustacoyotee I have 24x14 now and went with road force balancing and i’m very happy with them, from watching another video of a professional tire shop the tech mentioned that beads do not address lateral imbalance only vertical.
hope it helps someone
@@Itsjustacoyotee DO NOT USE BBs! Only balancing beads and proper amount.
no usefull information.
Agreed, all opinion with no relevancy provided to even prove a fact.
Nothing useful in this video.
Did stick on wheel weights fix the issue?
They could have put in the wrong weight
I’m a balance or certified and I’m also a forklift driver certified, and I can tell you that you have shitty tires and with a Balancing beads the problem got amplify. There’s a reason why you don’t see those few retires anymore like back in the days.
Why am I not surprised? Because for balancing beads to work they would need to defy the laws of physics. A wheel of a vehicle is not the same as a drum of a washing machine. The wheel is forced to rotate around its fixed rotational axis. The washing machine drum is allowed to rotate (nearly) around its centre of gravity. An initially unbalanced wheel will create forces working on its axis as soon as it is set into motion. The forces will try to deflect the wheel in the direction of the imbalance. To prevent the deflection you add counterweights. With the inside of the tyre assumed perfectly toroidal and the wheel not rotating the beads would all sit at the bottom. Once the wheel starts turning the beads would eventually distribute themselves evenly around the inside of the tyre. If the wheel is imbalanced it will try to deflect in the direction of the imbalance by bending of its suspension and compressing / stretching of its suspension springs / flexing of the tyre. The beads would if moving at all actually follow the imbalance and increase it. To balance the wheel they would have to roll uphill. Between 1842 and 1847, Julius Robert von Mayer , James Prescott Joule , and Hermann von Helmholtz discovered and formulated the basics of what we refer to today as the law of conservation of energy and it's been universally accepted as accurate ever since. Dyna Beads functioning would be a direct contradiction to this law of physics.
If you want wheels with rediculous offsets like this to balance properly and ride smooth, you have to accept that it will require adhesive weights on the outside rim. The closer the weights are placed to the edge of the tires, the more accurate and less weight will be required. If you dont want to have weights on the outside rim of these kind of wheels, then you will just have to accept that they are probably going to vibrate. If you arent willing to put up with the vibration and not have visible weights on the face of the wheel, then these are not the wheels for you. Its a tradeoff of these wheels look cool, but ride like shit. If you allow balancing weights on the outside though, they will ride smooth at 120MPH.
Wow! those rims and tires on a truck!? what a waste of money.
Here for offroad tires.
You cannot use beads with low profile tyres and they are low profile tyres you have there and that is your problem.
hard to judge balance beads on your mall crawler vs those of us who have more rubber then rim. I have 285/75R16 Steel Wheels on my 4Runner and have never had issues with A/T, M/T tires of various brands from Toyo to Milestar.
I totally understand you have issues before, but it's exactly that. Just YOUR issue in this specific circumstance. No one should use this to help sway their decision.
Quite honestly me, and probably everyone else watching this video, don't give a shit about your 4Runner on steel wheels. How is it "hard to judge"? Balancing beads are still balancing beads regardless of the set up they're in. They were recommended and installed by professionals who deal with wheels and tires everyday. Why shouldn't this be used to help someone with their decision? Some people have great luck with them, including myself when used in my semi tires. Some people have bad luck with them too, like I did here. I never said to use or not to use them, I just shared my experience.
@@Itsjustacoyotee It's the profile, beads don't work well on low profile tires. Stick a 65 or greater profile tire on that rim and the beads would probably work a lot better.
I have balancing beads for the first time too and I will never get them again. If I get a rock or anything stuck in my tire and it gives my truck a shake. If I clean them and get the stones out, they work fine.
Theres no way 1 rock will cause an issue. Go do more research
@@labarbieXCJNGX I have them and it does. All it takes is a few stones or a rock, or even one nail in your tire and it shakes the truck like crazy. If I clean the truck and get the stones out and everything, truck rides smooth
Youd think the beads would find the heavy spot and make it worse. Id like to see proof on a balance machine
Offroad tires on rims that will never see dirt. 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️ i dont trust anything you say 😂
Are you actually going to worry about the sound of beads when driving a diesel? Do you seriously think you will hear them IRL? The real issue is that you have ghetto wheels on your truck....that and the life choice of having a neck tattoo.
Get some real tires and rims
that's what you get having huge beta male rims on a truck , your battling the engineering defects of the metal density in the rim, vs the RPM of the entire wheel .. if you had real man wheels, balance beads works
Those rims and tires 🤮 I can’t imagine having such awful taste!