I applauded Shartimus for asking the same questions his first interview with them, but this is like the 3rd interview he’s down with them and asks the same thing lol
@@Collect2Disconnect I just don’t understand the whole “he’s asking hard hitting questions” when it’s like no not really, I’ve seen him ask this stuff before and they give him the same answer most of the time. I think Boog interview has been the best one from this years SDCC
The whole interview is a great reason to support Indies. You can get more answers and transparency , and often the artists and creatives are in charge, not the suits.
This was really nicely done - I enjoyed the breakdown and your perspective on this - I felt like it was a fair look at both sides - our Hasbro guys are in an impossible spot with some of the questions we all have, but it is important to remember that it is equally OK to ask them as it is OK for them not to be able to fully answer
For these reasons, i hate Hasbro, how is it possible that Masterverse is cheaper than a Marvel Legends being larger and more sculpted figures, I mean, the Hasbro team pretexts make no sense
First time here. Great video bro, very well said and respectful of both perspectives. Before arguing you must listen and then take a step back to understand what both parties are trying to bring to the table.
To that point of the raised or recessed webbing, they’ve only released the raised Symbiot carnage once. That has raised all over it scratching my head.
I really like DC multiverse figures for this main reason. You are getting what you pay for. Usually every figure has a new sculpt or a main body for a specific character. That and female figures have had equally good articulation since the line started. And it’s all for the reasonable price of 20-23 dollars
I love the way all the Batman look, I have about 40 of them and really want to buy them all… the reason I stopped buying batmen and all McFarlane figs is the lack of waste movement on all the figures which doesn’t allow for any cool dynamic posing
Painting web lines shouldn’t be an issue or considered a “deluxe” feature/treatment. If one is going to make a Spider-Man then it is standard to add his web lines or else it isn’t Spider-Man. You can’t make a captain America figure and say we didn’t add the star on his chest and A on his head because deco is expensive. In order to represent the character properly you must include his most basic prominent features. Cap isn’t cap without his star Spidey isn’t spidey without his webs And so on. A full basic paint job is required and expected of every character one chooses to make. When you start adding air brush shading or washes or cell shading or even the fancy face scan painting they do on MCU figures those things could be considered a “deluxe” treatment. Whether or not they make a Spider-Man with sculpted webs, recessed webs or plain body painted webs…. Spider-Man must have all his webs prominently painted to separate the webs from the sculpt itself.
They got me wanting to cast every piece on a Spidey buck and sculpting the lines on my damn self.If they can put scale armor on cap, they can do web lines, period. Keep up the good work Poundz,you never disappoint👊🏻.
"Weather or not they make a Spider-Man with sculpted webs, recessed webs or plain body painted webs…. Spider-Man must have all his webs prominently painted to separate the webs from the sculpt itself." I disagree. The natural lining of the sculpts, whether raised or recessed, can sometimes make it so that the shadows give off adequate representation of the web lining. I don't always want/like thick painted webs as it can look very cartoony AND be poorly applied. On top of that, it's a different aesthetic that does a good job at being a comic-accurate representation of Spidey in movement, when you wouldn't be able to distinguish the lines clearly due to motion blur, and I dig that. In your comparison you used Captain America's A symbol as an analogy but I think you'd compare that to Spidey's web logo to be a suitable comparison. Spidey's web lining is more comparable to Cap's "feathered" texturing on the more classic versions of his costume, which have also been represented in different ways across different figures.
@@CouchCit only recessed lines can give the illusion of a shadow but even then it’s not enough … a wash isn’t clean enough (its possible tho) painting in the sculpt would look best. When I was comparing spidey to cap.. i was comparing “what’s part of the costume” cap will look fine without the feathered sculpt as long as you have his most noticeable features painted the A and star…. Same with spidey.. Hypothetically, If captain America was always shown (in comics) with featherd texture that also had a tad of color on top that separated it from the non texture part… then it would have to be painted just like web lines Sculpted Web lines And sculpted feathered texture don’t compare equally because one of them (webs) has another element -black web lines In other words, you can have a sculpted cap without having to paint on top because that’s how his design naturally is But you cannot sculpt web lines and not paint them black … it’s part of the design
I think the problem here(with the last question) was dan's attitude. You can be protective of the company and guidelines without being an ass, you know? He was kindof being an ass, and thats on him. There are a hundred ways he couldve told russ they couldnt answer that, but he chose "youre not a rookie on this" and so on.
The Black Widow is a good point in terms of tooling/price. A standardly priced figure over here,to my eye it’s a retooled Deadly Origins torso with butterfly so the reuse is still there,with an element of upgrade. The 2pks are a good example too I think. One figure is brand new with loads of detail,while the other is a reissue that doesn’t match up. It all comes down to profit though,doesn’t it? You can’t offer a great figure with all the elements people want,but also raise your profit margin by what was it? 50%?
They need more personable people to represent them. The Hasbro guys always look like They’re speaking to rivals.entire vibe is off. They hate the consumer, it’s very easy to have personable people who can answer questions and not look like pricks.
Dwight and Ryan give several solid answers, Dan’s attitude made it worse. The price is set above these guys heads and fans are often guilty of blaming the wrong people for the issues.
I’m not a big fan of shart but he has some of my respect for this. He’s been asking these guys questions every year at SDCC for 10+ years they know he’s getting tired of asking the same boring questions
If you watch Spector Creatives series of videos on how figures are designed, sculpted, painted, tooled, etc... you'll have more of an understanding of the "why" toy companies make their decisions & choices. Great video breakdown of Primes interview. Thank you.
ML aren’t painted. They’re more like printed thermo film that’s applied. Think of water slide transfer, but applied using heat. That’s why you can see on some parts there’s obvious line on a lot of spider-man that are just cut off or missing. These are mainly applied by factory workers. All they need is to just design the print sheet for the web line properly and apply it properly it’ll be fine, but that’s the main issue. They aren’t willing to spent the time & money to do it properly.
I want to start by saying that I do not work in the toy industry. But I have spoke in person to a handful of individuals from various toy companies. One of the conversations, on a few occasions, was paint. It's not like when we sit at home and paint a figure ourselves. I would highly recommend that everyone get answers from a toy company, about specific details before stating something like Spider-Man doesn't have that much deco. He does in fact have a TON of deco if you're painting individual webbing lines. Take into consideration, Spider-Man has white eyes with black outlines. That's already 4 paint "Decos." Each of those decos have an individual price tag from the factory. If a button on a jacket is to be painted, that's an individual deco. But lets say that you're painting 6 buttons, that is 6 individual decos that you're being charged for. So when you're talking about paint Decos for Spider-Man's webbing, every individual line is a deco. They don't just look at it like 1 more deco charge for all of the webbing. That webbing is numerous lines, numerous decos, numerous individual costs. The hands have Multiple painted webbing lines on each finger, each with their own independent cost. The cost multiplied across interchangeable hands included. And then there's lets say Black Suit Spider-Man, with like 2 eyes, 2 logos, and a white spot on each hand. Even without knowing the specific price, you see the MASSIVE difference in paint deco cost between those 2 figures. Regardless if it's only 3 colors used, regardless if the deco is applied by hand painting, using a tool for masking, or applied by a machine, they still charge in individual price per deco. It adds up with certain figures.
I appreciate your comment. Its hard to believe each web line is considered 1 deco. Paint costs should be charged per amount of paint or type of special paint (whether gloss, matte, metallic, pearlescent, strips of vinyl like paint ect) used. If one is painting 5 buttons (silver?) It’s expected one will pay the amount of paint to cover 5 buttons. If companies practice your description of how they charge per deco than Spider-Man will always be a problem and too expensive to profit from.
@@Poundz978 Basically the way you're explaining it, is exactly how it does NOT go. Decos are determined by individual paint applications, opposed to just each color. That is very much in tune with what they were trying to explain with the spider-man fingers example in the video. I'm sure the quantity of paint used also becomes an additional factor at some point, but it certainly is not the only aspect involved. Which is why I urge you to talk to a professional insider about the matter. The way that I explained it, was exactly what I was told. Being charged to paint spider-man in this manner wouldn't necessarily make it "too expensive to profit from" but rather, this is the difficulty in how they have to approach balancing multiple figures within an entire wave. Some may have more elaborate paint schemes, while others will not. They can find a way to balance it out.
I always try to remind people that Dan, Ryan and Dwight are not in charge of price. They are marketing and Design. They don't control the money, Disney and Hasbro execs make the budget for them and then hasbro has to make money for shareholders. Its greed from the higher ups. Look at Diamond select Apocalypse for only $30 or some other Diamond select figures. Then you Marvel Legends Blob for $60. Both are about same size, unique tooling, and more if not the same amount of accessories packed in a Diamond select figure.
I’m surprised we didn’t highlight Dwight’s key answer to the root of many collectors gripes . Dwight “If collectors want black widow articulation to be standard, all the deco, accessories, and detail to be stand.”, you will only get the main characters, that means a higher price point, which means less figures a year, which means only Deadpool’s and wolverines, definitely no doppelgängers” Pretty much that is the Mafex business model. (Who makes marvel figures 🤷♂️) So maybe collectors just aren’t listening to what the legends team has been explaining every year.
I only wanted to critique the spider-man questions….. but yes that was a good point from Dwight. Some people would prefer 30 quality figs over 100 mediocre figs and there’s some people who just want every character marvel legends has to offer
@@Poundz978 I have heard that request "less figures, better quality at a premium price", but we already have that line, Mafex, who already gives collectors Marvel figures with everything at high pricepoint,, limited to only popular characters. Hence Dwights point ….so still, collectors don’t truly know what they are asking for.
Random thoughts: The dude spent 5 minutes at the end of his interview asking _what do fans want?_ This is the question he wastes their time with? As the interview progressed, I enjoyed them shutting his ass down The Marvel side of Hasbro has always been wildly inconsistent with articulation & pricing. Makes me appreciate the consistency of lines like Mattel's WWE or even GI Joe Classified,. When Mattel WWE chose to implement extra hands, EVERYBODY got them. When double jointed elbows were introduced, most if not all the figures got them. If they're not going to paint it, I do prefer having recessed webbing. At least, we can fill it in easier than raised webbing.
Hasbro lies a lot. They can give us better figures, they just don't want to. Why can't we get a definitive Spidey? Because they need to milk the character as much as they can. If they released a definitive one, a lot of people wouldn't need another. They always do that: We got a nice Symbiote Spidey, but he had pins. Then they release the pinless one, BUT it's cel shaded and exclusive, so they can still make another one to sell. Same thing with Captain America: They give us a nice looking Cap but still has pins and the shield has holes... I know nothing about making figures, but I don't believe their "we make characters with the available molds at the moment and if there's demand we see if we can release a better version" excuse.
We are buying these figures, so I don't see why they can't talk about price and why it cost more money. Companies want us to just accept getting a price hike with lower quality and less accessories and hands. Explain why the price is the price, these are supposed to be affordable.
One thing we gotta remember with the spiderman figure and the issue with raised webbing, qc could also be a reason for them not doing it. They said in the interview that they take a lot of things into consideration when making these figures.
ToyBiz was able to paint raised web lines with little to no CQ issues, same of Diamond Select, SHF, even Hasbro with their 2007/8 Spider-Man 3 toy lines. So why can't modern Hasbro do it now?
I kinda wish they focused on recessed lines bc raised lines with paint is more plastic and it's gonna cost more, however a good classic Spidey figure wouldn't have raised webbing. Also if they just went ahead and made a decent webline that wraps around the hands, they could get away with not putting sculpt and/or paint on them.
The issue with recessed lines is the lack of painting them…. They tried to black wash them in the past… it didn’t look too clean…. So they’ve been lacking on adding to recessed webs. They tried again with the no way home 3 pack and the web line paint is much cleaner than a wash but it’s not that great or sharp enough, plus now they want to consider painting recessed webs as a deluxe treatment. I don’t want to pay deluxe prices for toys that don’t get deluxe treatment.
5:13 if it is tedious and annoying, then it is expensive because it takes more time to complete each single unit... which is a snowball affect, impacting a number of things downstream. It also requires a higher skilled person to do it and/or if there's a machine to accomplish it, that could be a higher due to the complexity it could accomplish.
@Poundz978 anything that takes time for a human to set up, has cost implications from the factory perspective. They have multiple customers of large orders to satisfy, so they have to schedule time to setup the necessary machines, tools, staff to train, sequencing layout, etc. and estimate target daily outputs to meet their planned deadlines.
@@lareh5501 Not to mention the maintenance of a machine if it breaks down during production, which slows down output. I'm not trying to defend Hasbro or the factory, but for the sake of keeping the discussion fair and balanced, this needs to be addressed. I've worked in factories before so I know from experience that when a machine in the assembly line isn't performing properly, technicians have to come in and fix the problem, which can bring production to a screeching halt and repairs can take up to an hour. That's an hour's worth of production on units that has to be made-up for and sometimes that just can't be done in the expected amount of time.
I feel fartimus is annoying. But he's astute. Surprised Dan didn't give him a karate kick to the side of the head because he got to close to try an ordering them to do this or that. Great job brah! This is a great observation piece on the hascrap industry. There needs to be more accountability for hascrap 😂
Shartimus wasnt being rude in my opinion he was trying his best to address the consumer's issues with Hasbro marvel figures. Much, much, much Respect for him and Dan and the rest shouldnt be so adversarial with folks that keep them in business. Without the fans involvement your company won't continue to grow and more money
dan alwas gets so mad when he is asking basic questions. no other team like the g.i.joe team or the starwars team get this much presher put on them but marvel legends never gives us the bsic stuff like wall crawling hands for spiderman and they know all there flaws but they never do much aout it
When Bobby Vala was fired, he started his own million dollar toy line. And he repeatedly calls out Hasbro and their shady business practices, even calling people out by name.
@@Poundz978 exactly, they make more by doing 10 "almost perfect" versions, than if they did one, because people will buy one, then the other and so on. Not to mention since spidey does have a mostly painted on costume, they can get away with having his generic bucks be used by almost anyone, like the AF15 body, i'd say that's a spidey designed mold, but it can be used again for stuff like kid omega (peg holes in the arms and all) but stuff like ironman generally stays with variations of ironman. It's why i hated they fact the 60th spider-man line had an extra increase in price on top of the already higher price, it was either all reuse, or all easily repaintable things
doesnt make sence when they say sculpted cost more when the ps5 spider-man with no sculpted detais cost more then miles and his is fully sculpted and has newly sculpted arms, and ps5 is deluxe price with nothing deluxe about it, they can't even get the colour red the same as the game
I love the fact..... Whatever the problems are behind closed doors becomes the customers problem. Idk about the cost mfr make good product. Toybiz could give use paint and scukpt details why can't Hasbro 20 years later? Stop supporting this company
It's just greed at the end of the day corporate shareholders expect profits every what quarter? four quarters in a year so if they don't reach a certain mark they cut cost the plastic we lost two billion last year cut the plastics out where else can we save money the price $3 each more a figure that's only 1.5 bill what else what else what else We can cut plastic on figs by 4.5% that makes it 2 billion That's all they care about
I likecthe Hasbro team, but their purpose for these interviews is to to move stuff. Price is important in what you get for your $. Take the 2 packs 6 arm Spider-Man & Morbius, basically small changes for a high price. I have really cut down & try not to buy what l already have like the X-Men 97.
By “lots of deco” they probably mean, 24 individual pieces of that figure will be required to get digitally painted and on Spider-Man, most of those have to go in for deco twice (red on top of blue then black lines on top of the red). It’s still a crap excuse though. As consumers we shouldn’t have to cover those charges.
Retro animated series Spider-Man Molded blue upper and lower torso + red paint on the chest and stomach + webs Molded blue lower torso + red paint on waste + webs Blue molded legs -no paint Red molded boots (no paint) + webs Red molded shoulders + webs + blue paint Red molded arms (bicep, forarrm) + blue paint + webs Red molded hands + webs Red molded head + white eyes + black frames+ webs Red molded butter fully joints +webs + blue paint
@@Poundz978 Again, I’m not justifying the prices or lack of accessories, just trying to explain their meaning. On that specific figure (Retro Animated Spider-Man) there’s 32 individual pieces that have deco. 8 have 3 colors 8 have 2 colors 16 have 1 color That’s 56 paint applications total. Upper torso, abdomen and crotch count as 2 pieces each as they are painted before being assembled. The blue legs have the dark blue cel shading.
Marvel team looks uncomfortable at these events. They got that don’t shoot the messenger look on their faces. The pauses in the video show the expressions. Lots of blinking,nodding, “oh yeah, that thing” save comments. I don’t think we will be getting ‘where the magic happens’ tours of the facilities any time soon.
I think if they made better figures with more accurate deco and better articulation and effects they would sell just as well or even better and they wouldn’t be as many peg warmers I would rather have 30 awesome figures than 100 mediocre figures and I wish they did better character research often times it looks like they look at the first picture and go with that, what I don’t understand is why dosen’t Spider-man come with a spider-sense, or why don’t they put out better power effects often time it seem stale and lazy last time I think they did any thing innovative with power effects was the Kirby Crackle.
The problem rn is that what shart says about “30 quality figures a year” is what MAFEX is doing rn, they’ve really gotten into the marvel groove this year and it’s great, hasbro is filling the space that MAFEX and SHF can’t, they can release on mass for a lower price. But in my opinion that lower price isn’t a better deal for what you’re getting.
Hasblo does stuff to articulation that's been around forever and act like it's brand new and cutting edge. Their gasliggting is annoying AND THEN THEY DONT EVEN USE IT. They give a new body then give you bucky cap again. All they do is kit bash with crap paint or no paint
The hascrap marvel legends team better do something. Because they're running out of characters. Unless they go ' boutique, niche' stuff and more better engineering the resources of character roster will extinguish with the fan base. Too bad they can't do the Micronauts like they showed the ' crystar ' a very niche selection of franchise.😂❤
Absolute bs what they are saying seeing a GI joe Figure next to ml i cannot believe that they come from the same company! differences from day to night what black widow have now is still not compareable to GI joe, hasbro only dont give them enough money. Also Its not that this kind of deco dont exist.
I think that is more of a “licensing” issue… Hasbro owns GI Joe. They don’t have to pay any fees to anyone where as legends have Disney and Marvel who need to profit as well as Hasbro
@@Poundz978 Nope i cannot believe that thats the case here, when even loyal Subject can make well made Figures with the nickelodeon License that actually make way more money and they dont own it or neca. This is just lazyness and Profitmargin from marvel Legends, when even marvel select at the Time can do it way better and bigger at the Time for way less money. I believe ml dont sell well anymore, thats why they try to Trick us into believing that. Same with mattel there are huge quality differences with their Licenses. Also GI joe goes wild over sea most of them you have to preorder otherwise you cant get them. Sgt slaughter just released here allready sold out now you pay 60 bucks.
Hasbro owns GI Joe and they do not have to pay a licensing fee for it so they can throw in extra accessories as it is their line...Marvel, star wars, indiana jones all require additional cost by hasbro to license thes IPs. Licensing for Star wars and marvel can not be cheap...Its no coincidence that they renewed the license for marvel and Star Wars last year and then had a price hike
Overall I got $uckered to keep buying the same molded figure (bucky cap mold), unless you into paint, I can't forgive ha$bro, so still in search for thee definitive "Spiderman🙃". Don't get $uckered like me😂. I don't hate either side their human, its the business it's money it's corporate, buyer beware👀
I don’t know man he seems to be extremely chill and willing to hold a conversation even with fans she just seems to be burned out on Hasbro legends especially with some of the bullshit I’ve been pulling
My problem with Shartimus is him complaining about getting free toys. "Oh there's overspray here. The eyes are a little off here. The paint is a little off here." GTFOOH 🙄 They sent you "special" packaged figures and you are complaining because the paint missed the edge. 🖕😠 Shartimus.
@@Zeno4XX he's acting like it's a quality control issue. A QC issue is arms falling off the figures, not because they opted to not paint a buckle on the back of an action figure. And he is a shill.
it cost more due to the tools they use that's costing more to make the figure that's something. that's overlook which. Has to do with the pricing as well. it works both ways the company has to understand the consumers. and consumers needs to understand how toy companies work. after all marvel legends is not just for adults its not mafex it's for kids 4and up to adults and its harder to please adults. kids don't mind it that much.so i don't cry over.it on how they make it because as time goes on toy companies will advance eventually. I can't complaint. i have to worry about my wallet and this tough inflation. And as a grown man. no toy is perfect, but they are wonderful to collect. so, i don't care much there has to be a balance. it has to be affordable for the younger collector as well. that depends on their parents to buy toys for them. for the kids the teens collectors so by wanting more it leaves them out so i don't go bonkers over figures. there are bigger problems then a little paint mistake on my figures.in this world. The more we ask the toy gets get pricier. Because the toy companies need better tools that cost more so it gets more expensive, so you get what you ask for.
He seems like a good guy.. everyone has bad days and bad moments. Even I sometimes feel like I come off a little harsh when answering questions I’ve already answered in the past.. and my excuse is “I’m not a company, I don’t have a PR team” but that’s no excuse, it’s ignorant on my behalf cause I know better so I try to do better.
It's amazing how a toy company sounds like we are listening to the gov talking to the media
I applauded Shartimus for asking the same questions his first interview with them, but this is like the 3rd interview he’s down with them and asks the same thing lol
He’s been interviewing the team for years now brother haha
@@Collect2Disconnect well shit he’s been asking the same stuff then lol
@@Collect2Disconnect I just don’t understand the whole “he’s asking hard hitting questions” when it’s like no not really, I’ve seen him ask this stuff before and they give him the same answer most of the time. I think Boog interview has been the best one from this years SDCC
The whole interview is a great reason to support Indies. You can get more answers and transparency , and often the artists and creatives are in charge, not the suits.
This was really nicely done - I enjoyed the breakdown and your perspective on this - I felt like it was a fair look at both sides - our Hasbro guys are in an impossible spot with some of the questions we all have, but it is important to remember that it is equally OK to ask them as it is OK for them not to be able to fully answer
Lil dude in the middle is already pissed off by shartimus.
For these reasons, i hate Hasbro, how is it possible that Masterverse is cheaper than a Marvel Legends being larger and more sculpted figures, I mean, the Hasbro team pretexts make no sense
This guy Dan hates shart. Stares at like he wants to kill him
First time here. Great video bro, very well said and respectful of both perspectives. Before arguing you must listen and then take a step back to understand what both parties are trying to bring to the table.
To that point of the raised or recessed webbing, they’ve only released the raised Symbiot carnage once. That has raised all over it scratching my head.
I really like DC multiverse figures for this main reason. You are getting what you pay for. Usually every figure has a new sculpt or a main body for a specific character. That and female figures have had equally good articulation since the line started. And it’s all for the reasonable price of 20-23 dollars
I love the way all the Batman look, I have about 40 of them and really want to buy them all… the reason I stopped buying batmen and all McFarlane figs is the lack of waste movement on all the figures which doesn’t allow for any cool dynamic posing
Shareholders & greedy corporate executives will always get in the way of getting a high quality action figure at a reasonable price.
Painting web lines shouldn’t be an issue or considered a “deluxe” feature/treatment. If one is going to make a Spider-Man then it is standard to add his web lines or else it isn’t Spider-Man. You can’t make a captain America figure and say we didn’t add the star on his chest and A on his head because deco is expensive. In order to represent the character properly you must include his most basic prominent features.
Cap isn’t cap without his star
Spidey isn’t spidey without his webs
And so on.
A full basic paint job is required and expected of every character one chooses to make.
When you start adding air brush shading or washes or cell shading or even the fancy face scan painting they do on MCU figures those things could be considered a “deluxe” treatment.
Whether or not they make a Spider-Man with sculpted webs, recessed webs or plain body painted webs…. Spider-Man must have all his webs prominently painted to separate the webs from the sculpt itself.
They got me wanting to cast every piece on a Spidey buck and sculpting the lines on my damn self.If they can put scale armor on cap, they can do web lines, period. Keep up the good work Poundz,you never disappoint👊🏻.
"Weather or not they make a Spider-Man with sculpted webs, recessed webs or plain body painted webs…. Spider-Man must have all his webs prominently painted to separate the webs from the sculpt itself."
I disagree. The natural lining of the sculpts, whether raised or recessed, can sometimes make it so that the shadows give off adequate representation of the web lining. I don't always want/like thick painted webs as it can look very cartoony AND be poorly applied. On top of that, it's a different aesthetic that does a good job at being a comic-accurate representation of Spidey in movement, when you wouldn't be able to distinguish the lines clearly due to motion blur, and I dig that.
In your comparison you used Captain America's A symbol as an analogy but I think you'd compare that to Spidey's web logo to be a suitable comparison. Spidey's web lining is more comparable to Cap's "feathered" texturing on the more classic versions of his costume, which have also been represented in different ways across different figures.
@@CouchCit only recessed lines can give the illusion of a shadow but even then it’s not enough … a wash isn’t clean enough (its possible tho) painting in the sculpt would look best.
When I was comparing spidey to cap.. i was comparing “what’s part of the costume” cap will look fine without the feathered sculpt as long as you have his most noticeable features painted the A and star…. Same with spidey..
Hypothetically, If captain America was always shown (in comics) with featherd texture that also had a tad of color on top that separated it from the non texture part… then it would have to be painted just like web lines
Sculpted Web lines
And sculpted feathered texture don’t compare equally because one of them (webs) has another element -black web lines
In other words, you can have a sculpted cap without having to paint on top because that’s how his design naturally is
But you cannot sculpt web lines and not paint them black … it’s part of the design
For Spider-Man I prefer the resest webs because the painted on webs can rub or scratch off easier
Recessed.
I think the problem here(with the last question) was dan's attitude. You can be protective of the company and guidelines without being an ass, you know? He was kindof being an ass, and thats on him. There are a hundred ways he couldve told russ they couldnt answer that, but he chose "youre not a rookie on this" and so on.
The Black Widow is a good point in terms of tooling/price. A standardly priced figure over here,to my eye it’s a retooled Deadly Origins torso with butterfly so the reuse is still there,with an element of upgrade. The 2pks are a good example too I think. One figure is brand new with loads of detail,while the other is a reissue that doesn’t match up. It all comes down to profit though,doesn’t it? You can’t offer a great figure with all the elements people want,but also raise your profit margin by what was it? 50%?
They need more personable people to represent them. The Hasbro guys always look like They’re speaking to rivals.entire vibe is off. They hate the consumer, it’s very easy to have personable people who can answer questions and not look like pricks.
I'd rather fewer figures that are awesome vs a ton of figures that are just ok!
Dwight and Ryan give several solid answers, Dan’s attitude made it worse. The price is set above these guys heads and fans are often guilty of blaming the wrong people for the issues.
I’m not a big fan of shart but he has some of my respect for this. He’s been asking these guys questions every year at SDCC for 10+ years they know he’s getting tired of asking the same boring questions
Shartimus is awesome!!!
@@DarthBlaze haha unfortunately me Shart and Boog nice from ACBA don’t see eye to eye for a few years now
@@Collect2Disconnect dont know the other guy but aye man It happens. I understand
Mcu figures are produced at higher numbers and demanded by Disney and retailers, hence the ability to sculpt more new parts.
If you watch Spector Creatives series of videos on how figures are designed, sculpted, painted, tooled, etc... you'll have more of an understanding of the "why" toy companies make their decisions & choices.
Great video breakdown of Primes interview. Thank you.
I’ll def check that out! Thank you
ML aren’t painted. They’re more like printed thermo film that’s applied. Think of water slide transfer, but applied using heat. That’s why you can see on some parts there’s obvious line on a lot of spider-man that are just cut off or missing. These are mainly applied by factory workers. All they need is to just design the print sheet for the web line properly and apply it properly it’ll be fine, but that’s the main issue. They aren’t willing to spent the time & money to do it properly.
Yea I believe it’s Tampography .. like paint stamps
I want to start by saying that I do not work in the toy industry. But I have spoke in person to a handful of individuals from various toy companies. One of the conversations, on a few occasions, was paint.
It's not like when we sit at home and paint a figure ourselves. I would highly recommend that everyone get answers from a toy company, about specific details before stating something like Spider-Man doesn't have that much deco. He does in fact have a TON of deco if you're painting individual webbing lines.
Take into consideration, Spider-Man has white eyes with black outlines. That's already 4 paint "Decos." Each of those decos have an individual price tag from the factory. If a button on a jacket is to be painted, that's an individual deco. But lets say that you're painting 6 buttons, that is 6 individual decos that you're being charged for.
So when you're talking about paint Decos for Spider-Man's webbing, every individual line is a deco. They don't just look at it like 1 more deco charge for all of the webbing. That webbing is numerous lines, numerous decos, numerous individual costs. The hands have Multiple painted webbing lines on each finger, each with their own independent cost. The cost multiplied across interchangeable hands included.
And then there's lets say Black Suit Spider-Man, with like 2 eyes, 2 logos, and a white spot on each hand. Even without knowing the specific price, you see the MASSIVE difference in paint deco cost between those 2 figures.
Regardless if it's only 3 colors used, regardless if the deco is applied by hand painting, using a tool for masking, or applied by a machine, they still charge in individual price per deco. It adds up with certain figures.
I appreciate your comment. Its hard to believe each web line is considered 1 deco. Paint costs should be charged per amount of paint or type of special paint (whether gloss, matte, metallic, pearlescent, strips of vinyl like paint ect) used.
If one is painting 5 buttons (silver?)
It’s expected one will pay the amount of paint to cover 5 buttons.
If companies practice your description of how they charge per deco than Spider-Man will always be a problem and too expensive to profit from.
@@Poundz978 Basically the way you're explaining it, is exactly how it does NOT go. Decos are determined by individual paint applications, opposed to just each color.
That is very much in tune with what they were trying to explain with the spider-man fingers example in the video.
I'm sure the quantity of paint used also becomes an additional factor at some point, but it certainly is not the only aspect involved.
Which is why I urge you to talk to a professional insider about the matter. The way that I explained it, was exactly what I was told.
Being charged to paint spider-man in this manner wouldn't necessarily make it "too expensive to profit from" but rather, this is the difficulty in how they have to approach balancing multiple figures within an entire wave. Some may have more elaborate paint schemes, while others will not. They can find a way to balance it out.
I always try to remind people that Dan, Ryan and Dwight are not in charge of price. They are marketing and Design. They don't control the money, Disney and Hasbro execs make the budget for them and then hasbro has to make money for shareholders. Its greed from the higher ups. Look at Diamond select Apocalypse for only $30 or some other Diamond select figures. Then you Marvel Legends Blob for $60. Both are about same size, unique tooling, and more if not the same amount of accessories packed in a Diamond select figure.
I’m surprised we didn’t highlight Dwight’s key answer to the root of many collectors gripes .
Dwight “If collectors want black widow articulation to be standard, all the deco, accessories, and detail to be stand.”, you will only get the main characters, that means a higher price point, which means less figures a year, which means only Deadpool’s and wolverines, definitely no doppelgängers”
Pretty much that is the Mafex business model. (Who makes marvel figures 🤷♂️)
So maybe collectors just aren’t listening to what the legends team has been explaining every year.
I only wanted to critique the spider-man questions….. but yes that was a good point from Dwight. Some people would prefer 30 quality figs over 100 mediocre figs and there’s some people who just want every character marvel legends has to offer
@@Poundz978 I have heard that request "less figures, better quality at a premium price", but we already have that line, Mafex, who already gives collectors Marvel figures with everything at high pricepoint,, limited to only popular characters.
Hence Dwights point
….so still, collectors don’t truly know what they are asking for.
Random thoughts:
The dude spent 5 minutes at the end of his interview asking _what do fans want?_ This is the question he wastes their time with? As the interview progressed, I enjoyed them shutting his ass down
The Marvel side of Hasbro has always been wildly inconsistent with articulation & pricing. Makes me appreciate the consistency of lines like Mattel's WWE or even GI Joe Classified,. When Mattel WWE chose to implement extra hands, EVERYBODY got them. When double jointed elbows were introduced, most if not all the figures got them.
If they're not going to paint it, I do prefer having recessed webbing. At least, we can fill it in easier than raised webbing.
I'm super happy with my MAFEX classic suit spidey. The movie ones I can do without. I'm glad I don't have that problem.
Why Dan always looks like he waiting to throw hands with Shart. Lol like come on bro, if you can't take the questioning then don't answer.
Hasbro lies a lot.
They can give us better figures, they just don't want to.
Why can't we get a definitive Spidey? Because they need to milk the character as much as they can.
If they released a definitive one, a lot of people wouldn't need another.
They always do that:
We got a nice Symbiote Spidey, but he had pins. Then they release the pinless one, BUT it's cel shaded and exclusive, so they can still make another one to sell.
Same thing with Captain America:
They give us a nice looking Cap but still has pins and the shield has holes...
I know nothing about making figures, but I don't believe their "we make characters with the available molds at the moment and if there's demand we see if we can release a better version" excuse.
People lie a lot to themselfs as they keep complaining..but keep buying.
💯 this.
We are buying these figures, so I don't see why they can't talk about price and why it cost more money. Companies want us to just accept getting a price hike with lower quality and less accessories and hands. Explain why the price is the price, these are supposed to be affordable.
One thing we gotta remember with the spiderman figure and the issue with raised webbing, qc could also be a reason for them not doing it. They said in the interview that they take a lot of things into consideration when making these figures.
ToyBiz was able to paint raised web lines with little to no CQ issues, same of Diamond Select, SHF, even Hasbro with their 2007/8 Spider-Man 3 toy lines. So why can't modern Hasbro do it now?
I kinda wish they focused on recessed lines bc raised lines with paint is more plastic and it's gonna cost more, however a good classic Spidey figure wouldn't have raised webbing. Also if they just went ahead and made a decent webline that wraps around the hands, they could get away with not putting sculpt and/or paint on them.
The issue with recessed lines is the lack of painting them…. They tried to black wash them in the past… it didn’t look too clean…. So they’ve been lacking on adding to recessed webs. They tried again with the no way home 3 pack and the web line paint is much cleaner than a wash but it’s not that great or sharp enough, plus now they want to consider painting recessed webs as a deluxe treatment. I don’t want to pay deluxe prices for toys that don’t get deluxe treatment.
cool analysis, you a total natural at this!!
Shartimus is a tool 🤷🏻♂️
I would ask, why do black series figures look so much better than marvel legends
Two different teams, two different budgets. Not every black series looks better than Legends.
And they get soft goods semi regularly, and legends don’t.
Doppelganger is my number one wanted figure.
Hey Poundz, I’d like to check it out, you mentioned a Disney+ special that had someone painting cyborg Spider-Man hands, what show is that?
I believe it’s called “marvel Legends” on Disney plus
2:00 Gangsta Dan ain't happy
Isn't the MCU with the raised lines part of a 3 pack?
5:13 if it is tedious and annoying, then it is expensive because it takes more time to complete each single unit... which is a snowball affect, impacting a number of things downstream. It also requires a higher skilled person to do it and/or if there's a machine to accomplish it, that could be a higher due to the complexity it could accomplish.
I believe it’s tampography. Like painted stamps by machine
It’s a quick process just takes time to line up parts
@Poundz978 anything that takes time for a human to set up, has cost implications from the factory perspective. They have multiple customers of large orders to satisfy, so they have to schedule time to setup the necessary machines, tools, staff to train, sequencing layout, etc. and estimate target daily outputs to meet their planned deadlines.
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Not to mention the maintenance of a machine if it breaks down during production, which slows down output. I'm not trying to defend Hasbro or the factory, but for the sake of keeping the discussion fair and balanced, this needs to be addressed. I've worked in factories before so I know from experience that when a machine in the assembly line isn't performing properly, technicians have to come in and fix the problem, which can bring production to a screeching halt and repairs can take up to an hour. That's an hour's worth of production on units that has to be made-up for and sometimes that just can't be done in the expected amount of time.
I feel fartimus is annoying. But he's astute. Surprised Dan didn't give him a karate kick to the side of the head because he got to close to try an ordering them to do this or that. Great job brah! This is a great observation piece on the hascrap industry. There needs to be more accountability for hascrap 😂
Well said brother! And Shart did do a good job on that interview.
Shartimus wasnt being rude in my opinion he was trying his best to address the consumer's issues with Hasbro marvel figures. Much, much, much Respect for him and Dan and the rest shouldnt be so adversarial with folks that keep them in business. Without the fans involvement your company won't continue to grow and more money
dan alwas gets so mad when he is asking basic questions. no other team like the g.i.joe team or the starwars team get this much presher put on them but marvel legends never gives us the bsic stuff like wall crawling hands for spiderman and they know all there flaws but they never do much aout it
Brother the Star Wars team catches so much hate! I don’t think anyone watching their live streams have a single positive cell in their bodies😂
@@pearlescent_ftw yea i knew someone was ganna say that when i sead that i shuld have sead the transformer team
@@pearlescent_ftw Power Rangers is worse than Star Wars. The live streams are nothing but crying, hating and baby raging.
I'd rather have 30 good characters a year instead of 70 shat ones.
'Don't mock the shock"
I really want to know what this guys will say about this stuff when they get fired. I mean eventually they will, everyone will
When Bobby Vala was fired, he started his own million dollar toy line. And he repeatedly calls out Hasbro and their shady business practices, even calling people out by name.
Spiderman is the biggest wave & #1 charter why not make him #1
Because he will always sell… so they don’t need to put in that much effort into him
@@Poundz978 exactly, they make more by doing 10 "almost perfect" versions, than if they did one, because people will buy one, then the other and so on. Not to mention since spidey does have a mostly painted on costume, they can get away with having his generic bucks be used by almost anyone, like the AF15 body, i'd say that's a spidey designed mold, but it can be used again for stuff like kid omega (peg holes in the arms and all)
but stuff like ironman generally stays with variations of ironman.
It's why i hated they fact the 60th spider-man line had an extra increase in price on top of the already higher price, it was either all reuse, or all easily repaintable things
doesnt make sence when they say sculpted cost more when the ps5 spider-man with no sculpted detais cost more then miles and his is fully sculpted and has newly sculpted arms, and ps5 is deluxe price with nothing deluxe about it, they can't even get the colour red the same as the game
My biggest concern with this interview? Yo that's classic Ms. Marvel, are we getting classic, first appearance Ms. Marvel?? That'd be sweet.
I love the fact..... Whatever the problems are behind closed doors becomes the customers problem. Idk about the cost mfr make good product. Toybiz could give use paint and scukpt details why can't Hasbro 20 years later? Stop supporting this company
It's just greed at the end of the day corporate shareholders expect profits every what quarter? four quarters in a year so if they don't reach a certain mark they cut cost the plastic we lost two billion last year cut the plastics out where else can we save money the price $3 each more a figure that's only 1.5 bill what else what else what else We can cut plastic on figs by 4.5% that makes it 2 billion That's all they care about
I likecthe Hasbro team, but their purpose for these interviews is to to move stuff. Price is important in what you get for your $. Take the 2 packs 6 arm Spider-Man & Morbius, basically small changes for a high price. I have really cut down & try not to buy what l already have like the X-Men 97.
who is dan
You want change? Quit buying their crap. I'm done. I'll just give figuarts and mafex my money
By “lots of deco” they probably mean, 24 individual pieces of that figure will be required to get digitally painted and on Spider-Man, most of those have to go in for deco twice (red on top of blue then black lines on top of the red).
It’s still a crap excuse though. As consumers we shouldn’t have to cover those charges.
Retro animated series Spider-Man
Molded blue upper and lower torso + red paint on the chest and stomach + webs
Molded blue lower torso + red paint on waste + webs
Blue molded legs -no paint
Red molded boots (no paint) + webs
Red molded shoulders + webs + blue paint
Red molded arms (bicep, forarrm) + blue paint + webs
Red molded hands + webs
Red molded head + white eyes + black frames+ webs
Red molded butter fully joints +webs + blue paint
@@Poundz978 Again, I’m not justifying the prices or lack of accessories, just trying to explain their meaning.
On that specific figure (Retro Animated Spider-Man) there’s 32 individual pieces that have deco.
8 have 3 colors
8 have 2 colors
16 have 1 color
That’s 56 paint applications total.
Upper torso, abdomen and crotch count as 2 pieces each as they are painted before being assembled.
The blue legs have the dark blue cel shading.
6:26 lmao, nwh 3-pack is a deluxe? the hands of the tom holland do not have cobweb paints on it but the entire body has.
I never noticed I’ll have to take a look now
Marvel team looks uncomfortable at these events. They got that don’t shoot the messenger look on their faces. The pauses in the video show the expressions. Lots of blinking,nodding, “oh yeah, that thing” save comments. I don’t think we will be getting ‘where the magic happens’ tours of the facilities any time soon.
Meh quality will go down price will go up people will still keep buying and they know this I got out a while ago it's not worth it anymore.
People aren't buying as much anymore. A bunch keep going on clearance
I think if they made better figures with more accurate deco and better articulation and effects they would sell just as well or even better and they wouldn’t be as many peg warmers I would rather have 30 awesome figures than 100 mediocre figures and I wish they did better character research often times it looks like they look at the first picture and go with that, what I don’t understand is why dosen’t Spider-man come with a spider-sense, or why don’t they put out better power effects often time it seem stale and lazy last time I think they did any thing innovative with power effects was the Kirby Crackle.
The problem rn is that what shart says about “30 quality figures a year” is what MAFEX is doing rn, they’ve really gotten into the marvel groove this year and it’s great, hasbro is filling the space that MAFEX and SHF can’t, they can release on mass for a lower price. But in my opinion that lower price isn’t a better deal for what you’re getting.
Hasblo does stuff to articulation that's been around forever and act like it's brand new and cutting edge. Their gasliggting is annoying AND THEN THEY DONT EVEN USE IT. They give a new body then give you bucky cap again. All they do is kit bash with crap paint or no paint
Easy solution. Stop buying their half ass product. Like me😊
WAIT WHAT DISNEYU SPECIAL I CANT FIND IT
It’s called marvel legends
8:30 The answer is corporate greed unfortunately.
The hascrap marvel legends team better do something. Because they're running out of characters. Unless they go ' boutique, niche' stuff and more better engineering the resources of character roster will extinguish with the fan base. Too bad they can't do the Micronauts like they showed the ' crystar ' a very niche selection of franchise.😂❤
Which one is Dan?
Hat
The gangster
dude with hat.
Absolute bs what they are saying seeing a GI joe Figure next to ml i cannot believe that they come from the same company! differences from day to night what black widow have now is still not compareable to GI joe, hasbro only dont give them enough money. Also Its not that this kind of deco dont exist.
I think that is more of a “licensing” issue… Hasbro owns GI Joe. They don’t have to pay any fees to anyone where as legends have Disney and Marvel who need to profit as well as Hasbro
@@Poundz978 Nope i cannot believe that thats the case here, when even loyal Subject can make well made Figures with the nickelodeon License that actually make way more money and they dont own it or neca. This is just lazyness and Profitmargin from marvel Legends, when even marvel select at the Time can do it way better and bigger at the Time for way less money. I believe ml dont sell well anymore, thats why they try to Trick us into believing that. Same with mattel there are huge quality differences with their Licenses. Also GI joe goes wild over sea most of them you have to preorder otherwise you cant get them. Sgt slaughter just released here allready sold out now you pay 60 bucks.
@@Aita88Where is "here"?...somewhere in Asia or Australia?
Hasbro owns GI Joe and they do not have to pay a licensing fee for it so they can throw in extra accessories as it is their line...Marvel, star wars, indiana jones all require additional cost by hasbro to license thes IPs. Licensing for Star wars and marvel can not be cheap...Its no coincidence that they renewed the license for marvel and Star Wars last year and then had a price hike
@Aita88 I'm sure the licensing for those IPs are way less exppensive than that of Star Wars or marvel
Overall I got $uckered to keep buying the same molded figure (bucky cap mold), unless you into paint, I can't forgive ha$bro, so still in search for thee definitive "Spiderman🙃". Don't get $uckered like me😂.
I don't hate either side their human, its the business it's money it's corporate, buyer beware👀
If you like ToyBiz's articulation styles and aesthetics, I'd say go for one of their Spideys
Shartimus is very disrespectful from my experience in the past.
I don’t know man he seems to be extremely chill and willing to hold a conversation even with fans she just seems to be burned out on Hasbro legends especially with some of the bullshit I’ve been pulling
My problem with Shartimus is him complaining about getting free toys. "Oh there's overspray here. The eyes are a little off here. The paint is a little off here." GTFOOH 🙄 They sent you "special" packaged figures and you are complaining because the paint missed the edge. 🖕😠 Shartimus.
Free or not, it is a reviewers job to be honest about flaws, rather that then shill for free stuff.
@@Zeno4XX he's acting like it's a quality control issue. A QC issue is arms falling off the figures, not because they opted to not paint a buckle on the back of an action figure. And he is a shill.
@@freakshowfilmfestival3591 if he was a shill he wouldn't be complaining about paint apps or lack thereof you goof.
My take on the interview is I don’t buy enuff hasbro stuff to really care about what they do .
All I heard was lame bs and excuses from Hasblo.
Can’t stand Shillamus Prime, I’m firmly on team Dan Yun
it cost more due to the tools they use that's costing more to make the figure that's something. that's overlook which. Has to do with the pricing as well. it works both ways the company has to understand the consumers. and consumers needs to understand how toy companies work. after all marvel legends is not just for adults its not mafex it's for kids 4and up to adults and its harder to please adults. kids don't mind it that much.so i don't cry over.it on how they make it because as time goes on toy companies will advance eventually. I can't complaint. i have to worry about my wallet and this tough inflation. And as a grown man. no toy is perfect, but they are wonderful to collect. so, i don't care much there has to be a balance. it has to be affordable for the younger collector as well. that depends on their parents to buy toys for them. for the kids the teens collectors so by wanting more it leaves them out so i don't go bonkers over figures. there are bigger problems then a little paint mistake on my figures.in this world. The more we ask the toy gets get pricier. Because the toy companies need better tools that cost more so it gets more expensive, so you get what you ask for.
Raised webs or recessed is all bull crap. Theyre just lazy.
After i saw this i dont like Dan
He seems like a good guy.. everyone has bad days and bad moments. Even I sometimes feel like I come off a little harsh when answering questions I’ve already answered in the past.. and my excuse is “I’m not a company, I don’t have a PR team” but that’s no excuse, it’s ignorant on my behalf cause I know better so I try to do better.