You don’t grow out of ADHD. I’m disappointed that the effort people put into adapting to having ADHD is just dismissed as growing out of it. It takes a lot of work to get there.
Yes I agree with you, however I also understand the point they are making that people with add/adhd can effectively manage the disorder and bi-polar is not something you can manage without medication.
Yup. Little kids who are misdiagnosed with ADHD will grow out of being hyperactive, but people who actually have it cannot. They can learn to manage it so it is much less of a problem, and pretend that they aren't struggling (sometimes called masking), but they will never grow out of it.
@@chrisking6152 then they were misdiagnosed and has symptoms from other things going on in their lives or in the home that made them look distracted. It will always manifest in other ways as an adult if truly ADD. Such as issues with their partners/marriages/jobs/etc.
Hi. I'm not sure if you got your statistics wrong or maybe just mistaken, but research shows the exact opposite of what you mentioned about growing out of ADHD. Somewhere between 60% and 85% of people diagnosed with ADHD in childhood continue to have severe symptoms well into adulthood that require treatment. What children do "grow out" of is the external symptoms of hyperactivity of ADHD, like running around, non-stop playing, and pacing at inappropriate times. Adults with hyperactive type ADHD tend to have far more internal symptoms of hyperactivity like racing thoughts, impatience, becoming easily bored with activities, and the inability to accurately gauge the passage of time. Of course, adults with inattentive type ADHD still experience similar internal symptoms as they did when they were children, including not being able to complete tasks, becoming overly focused on unimportant tasks, difficulty with oral directions, disorganization, the inability to accurately gauge the passage of time, trouble multitasking, poor planning, and forgetfulness. Saying that ADHD is something that you can "grow out" of can ultimately be really stigmatizing to adults with ADHD who feel a lot of internalized shame for not being able to function like everyone else.
Yeah i was fhinking this exact thing where theres just no validation for the strugfle of ADHD everyones like why are you so stupid and energetic and than they see its ADHD and than the first thing you hear is what are you doind to manage it and thannnnn once you learn to manage it really well you are finally valodated for not having it anymre so all of this makes it hard to even want to make it better bc you dont trust the work will be worth it bc nothing is ever valid to your parents Edit: Also parents will probably invalidate ADHD just bc they cant admit that something might be wrong with you and maybe in a narssasistic way or maybe they jist want you to be safe or somethin idk idontflippin knowwwwww!!!!!
I have bi polar and been sectioned 5 times, they eventually found the right medication and I have not had manic episode or been sectioned for 11 years yippee
@Bill Haggard The medication that's kept me well for over a decade is called Zuclopenthixol oral and I think its the same meds you get injections with but that's called Dipixol don't quote me..
@Bill Haggard Thank you, I look after myself a lot more nowadays since I have been drug free from illicit substances and I am quietly confident I will have no more manic episodes 🙏
I nearly got sectioned 3 weeks ago. Haven't been sectioned in years, so I was really unhappy about it. My meds have changed now. We'll see how it goes. I've been diagnosed (twice) for 12 years and still sometimes don't believe I have it.
All due respect, the language used around "growing out of ADHD" really missed the mark. I got a diagnosis for ADHD recently and the thru line of its impact on my life are very clear. I manage my ADHD, so well in fact, that I manage a medium team in a large, high pace tech company, but it is still a battle for me. ADHD still robs me of joy, peace, presence, and confidence, even tho I manage it well and can control myself. ADHD still impacts my relationships and maintenance of my life. I understand the intent - that bi-polar is far more challenging to cope with, if not impossible, but your language here really matters.
I think what they were trying to get at is that ADHD differs from Bipolar in the sense than ADHD is NOT a "progressive" illness, meaning it does not get worse with time, and often gets better. ADHD as an underlying problem may not "go away", but because it at worst stays the same, people who grow up with it simply become better at managing it with time. This is a sort of "growing out" of ADHD but it's more like "growing around" it. Bipolar is very different in that, untreated, Bipolar gets progressively worse as time goes on and people with Bipolar do not get any better at managing it without treatment but it in fact becomes completely unmanageable. This is why Bipolar is progressive and ADHD is not. This is why we say ADHD gets less severe with age and Bipolar does not.
I was misdiagnosed bipolar and when I saw a therapist for two years she said there was no way and I just have fairly bad ADHD. I was diagnosed with adhd by a neurologist at five. The way we see adhd has changed so much since then. I’m so relieved to have found help and it working!
There’s no such thing as ADHD nor ADD Renowned Phd psychologist Dr Martin Seligman debunked it thoroughly in his books 📚 and he named big names in the psychology & psychiatry disciplines as frauds and in the pharmaceutical scam they are tied to and NO ONE sued him nor offered any rebuttal ! In Canada 🇨🇦 we our doctors see those labels as debunked long ago ! Stop buying into victimhood and go research and read what Seligman proved is really your problem You don’t have these make believe labels of faux maladies that do NOT exist 🏷 to sell pharmaceuticals !
I had ADHD as a child, I don't think you grow out of it, but it can get better. and you learn ways to make life easier. My friends still tease me, and that's fine, However I know that spacey, does not equal stupid, and I think that's something children should be taught early on.
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Me too. They kept trying to tell me my son was in school and he does not fit the symptoms of autism from what I've learned and being adhd myself, he fits this much more. I would like a teaching on it too. 🙂
The big difference between autism and a sensory processing disorder is going to be that emphasis on socializing & language issues. Adhd can look extremely similar to autism from the outside. theres a 60% comorbidity so having both is very common. personally, i have found that my adhd severity fluctuates by the day while my autism remains largely the same. my focus might come and go but i will never understand gender roles. If your child has recurring difficulty forming close relationships/socializing, if they have frequent misunderstandings with all people it may point to autism. however, if it is more of a regulation issue it may indicate adhd. your kid is going to be the ultimate expert on this. watch videos with them and see what they relate to. ask them what part is most difficult for them, if they are verbal.
ADHD isn't noted early in females, I've learned since my diagnosis at 32 (7 yrs ago), but my counselor had me convinced that I had a type of bipolar disorder. She referred me to a psychiatrist who diagnosed me with ADHD..... which explained ALOT.
I went to a shrink the other day who suggested Bipolar and I was like 🤦🤦 I know the symptoms of both disorders and I'm definitely not Bipolar. I know the importance of seeing the right doctor as I have OCD and many people get labelled as schizophrenic etc if the doc doesn't know much about OCD
I feel your pain. I was 33 when I was first diagnosed (38 now). Last year I saw a neurologist who specializes in adult ADHD & was not known for prescribing amphetamines. She was very anti-medication for ADHD. She prescribed them to me after the 1st visit because she was genuinely concerned about my ability to care for my son, who has autism. I've seen a few behavioral specialists & there are 2 types: doctors who overprescribe & doctors who refuse to prescribe controlled substances to anyone, no matter how badly the patient needs them. She was the latter of the 2. I spent years thinking I had bipolar type 1. Turns out, I NEVER had bipolar disorder. All of my issues, including depression & anxiety, were linked to untreated ADHD. The problems that come with ADHD can absolutely leave someone depressed, anxious, and moody. There's a reason you can build an entire medical career out of treating adult ADHD, and that's because it's a real problem. There's an entire generation of women whose ADHD was overlooked and we all have brilliant minds. Many of us gifted. If we had been diagnosed, who knows where our lives would be.
Difficulty with emotional regulation was part of ADHD up until the early 1970s (first appearing in the medical literature in the 1700s) when it was removed. According to Dr. Stephen Barkley, a well-known ADHD researcher of over 40 years, in the past year research has indicated that difficulties with emotional regulation ARE a core feature of ADHD. Just a thought to add to the discussion. All that said, I have come to the conclusion that the medical community does NOT share a common understanding and belief regarding what ADHD is.
Russell Barkley, and yes, he’s so knowledgeable. It almost feels intentional, on the part of the APA, to leave the most important, most detrimental, aspect of ADHD out of diagnosis criteria. I think this can help explain why so many children are being diagnosed with both ADHD and autism. It’s so rare that a child only has the ADHD diagnosis, and schools push hard to evaluate for autism because they do not know about the emotional regulation problems involved with ADHD(which actually aren’t a big problem for most kids with autism anyway), and assume ADHD is just about being physically hyperactive. Then, of course, there’s ODD, which I think is just completely overlooked in so many children, and diagnosed as either ASD or ADHD. If parents do not understand ADHD, they are likely to believe their child is “misbehaving” on purpose, or to be manipulative, and that will only lead to worsening of symptoms. These kids(and adults) need empathy and understanding before any of their symptoms can be dealt with. They are also very vulnerable to abuse and bullying by other children. I have lost almost all of the confidence I had in the field of psychology/psychiatry because of, what seems like, intentional ignorance about ADHD, and so many other disorders involving mental health.
DSM Is not valid, inventing and creating conditions and keep changing diagnostic criteria all the time, purely based on votes by a handful of people whom have ties to the drug industry. homosexuality was considered a mental disorder in the 1960s then in the 1970s it wasnt. Its all pseudo science, based on opinion not testable scientific fact.
Yeah. The only other person I’ve met with ADHD who hasn’t always experienced overwhelming emotional disregulation is my boyfriend… who is also autistic, and the only person who I know who definitely has both. He also suspects he has bipolar disorder because of issues that don’t relate at all with ADHD or autism.
@@katieandnick4113 Psychology is still relatively underdeveloped as opposed to physical health treatment. The DSM hasn’t been updated in like a decade and should really get updated soon. Researchers need to look further into things that are symptoms but not considered official.
You do not need mental health providers for mental health issues they treat mental health isuuses wrong with meds and meds are piosion they dont fix anything. All you need is a holistc provider, mental health issues are caused by nutrition deficiencies and also if you have certain tick bite diseases can add to mental health issues. regular drs and providers will never tell you that or know that. Holistic drs do thorough blood testing that regular drs wount do wich includes thorough nutrition blood test and tick bite disese blood tests. Holistic drs know the optimal amount for nutrition levels reg providers wount tell you the correct amount or dont know. Low normal in a nutrition blood test is deficient. Most of the time all mental health issues are caused by nutrition defciencies fix that and your mental health issues will be gone, it you have a tick bite disease it can be cure naturally with nutriion and herbs. Best and fastest way to treat nutrition deficiencies is nutrion ivs and nutrition injections. Most holistic drs do them and medical spas. for examples Being low in b vitamins and d3 causes a ton of mental health issues. Its accully easy to fix mental health issues just have corrcet nutrtion levels in your body, and treat any tick bite diseases if you have any. dont use antibiotics either...
was very interested until he started saying that you “grow” out of it. it’s literally the way your brain processes information, you NEVER grow out of it. you learn to adapt. that’s why one of the criteria when you’re diagnosed with ADHD as an adult is that you have to have been experience symptoms before the age of 12. why? because if you weren’t, it’s most likely not ADHD. please please PLEASE don’t spread out that misinformation, this is exactly why ADHD is so misunderstood in people that don’t actually have it
Exactly..and everyone listens to Dr.blabla bla... I'm real tiered of it, and both therapists and people think is like haveing headache....no disorder is moore miss diagnosed then adhd. I literally know people that have filld out 2 forms 2 pages with 10 questions from DSM and now they have adhd in their medical journal (files) it's a spit in the face to those who actully have it.
Part of the inaccuracy in the comment that many individuals “grow out” of ADHD is due to the focus on individuals with ADHD *during childhood*, which has received a lot more attention than ADHD as it occurs adults. I think it would be very helpful to have an overview video/article that explains the differences in individual experience as well as the population-level dynamics of childhood- vs adult-ADHD.
@@normally6785 there is non......it feels exactly the same now as when I was 9 im 40 now....you only mature and dont run around as much thats the only diffrence you learn to mask and hide it but you still got exactly the same problems Adhd isn't a behavior disorder. The brain is wierd diffrent for those who have it......but many kidds that comes from dysfunctional familys did get the disorder but wrong from psychologists just by haveing trouble at home and when that stops their behavior stops as well too and there for many say it goes away with age......WRONG! They are miss diagnosed for bad behavior when growing up....Real Adhd Never goes away you can manage with medicin and another things to get through life Ok but never in the same ways as someone that not suffers from adhd....people think it's like having a GD headache now a days becouse of all the miss diagnoseing in the early 2000....its and it's hard for those who really have it not to be taken seriously, becouse almost every one with it can't handle school, some jobs and you get behind in life Not becouse you are stupid just becouse you are distracted by 10.000 thoughts all at the same time. And with that comes anxiety n depression. You litterly take in everything you see 24/7. I'm actully far over normal at iq test ...and that kind of hard to know you are smart and capable...but still you cant get it done. So you get on drugs to easy up all the pain and start self medicate.....no it's no headache alright. Maybe some have moor some less i got the first mention.....I really hope that the community in the psyciatric care and therapists and so on study moore and take this moor serious... Becouse now it's a disgrace....just listen to the man on the video and He is a specialist..i don't know if I should laugh or cry.....sorry that got to many words. Have a good one!
It’s not that many that ‘grow out’ of it. It’s usually lifelong and there are just coping strategies and medications, which can have profound effects (mostly medications)
SUPER excited to even learn that it is a common diagnosis. ADHD is definitely something that needs more study on since it can conflict as other disorders pretty well
And both therapists and others needs to learn that haveing real Adhd is no picknick that you grow out of, you may cope with it and handle it moore grown up but grow out of it no, then you are wrongly diagnosed and have had other issus as a child. This disorder is so Belittled its scary in comparison to how much it destroys the people who really has. The sentence I have add or adhd by the avreage man is now equally common as taking a dump. Donal duck therapists gives out this disorder like its nothing, "yea doc i have little bit hard to read when i am home with my 19 siblings"...ok son you have adhd. NO you have not.....but this is how its become. Like a therapists cant be wrong or not take the time...they are just people like everyone else and they get it wrong. But the society must stop treating it like it's a sunday mourning headache. I got this stuff And its no where near what people think it is to have it.
You don't "grow out" of ADHD (as others have said in the comments). This is an insult to those of us who are neurodiverse. Your brain chemistry changes as you get older. My ADHD decided to change when I was 30 and my Adderall regimen I was on for years no longer worked. No other triggers/changes. Haven't found a way to build up to what my "normal" level of organization and function was before then, which was low to begin with. It takes so much effort to get myself to face the day, get ready for the day, then go through it. I was recently was diagnosed with Bipolar II so I'm not very familiar with how that's going to come into play. It's really upsetting to hear this interview spewing stigma and really playing down how hard it is to appear high functioning as someone with ADHD. I was hoping to learn more about what might be going on with me. Instead I feel shamed for having ADHD and not "growing out of it." And yes, I watched the entire video before commenting, I was hoping there'd be more clarification that "growing out" of ADHD isn't something that magically happens to most people. Good luck to anyone who seeks help from either of you and have a positive self esteem. I guess I'm a failure for still having ADHD even though I'm doing everything I can, right? Having both broken executive functioning and depression with Bipolar II makes it hard to even get out of bed and face the day. Thank you for making me feel like a failure. Really needed that. Ugh.
Please don't be too hard on yourself. About 85% of us ADHD people barely achieve levels of normal function in adulthood. In fact a lot that was said in this video has been disapproved or quite frankly interchanged for the two disorders. I am in the process of being diagnosed for bipolar on top of ADHD and was disappointed too because I wanted to learn. Chin up dear, we'll find our normal😊
I disagree with "difficulty processing information" re: adhd. I was diagnosed adhd a few years ago. It's likely I have a mood disorder too. "Processing information" is far too generic. Adhd has many benefits - hyperfocus being one, which is very useful for creative tasks and academia. My adhd, and whatever extra fun thing my brain has been wired into, has been a factor in achieving a BA in Fine Art, and an MA in art history as well as undertaking numerous creative projects. At the same time it's been a massive pain in the ass - employment, relationships, etc.
60-70% of peeps have adhd and bipolar. Oh dear. I thought so. And it seems to me that the hypomania episodes in my life are my most creative moments. The depression side of things is truly awful. On good days I can write (approx.) 2000 words of fiction in 20 minutes and on my the dark days I can't even write a sentence. I know this from my very recent experience.
@@andrewreeveart on my dark days I can't even get out of bed. I feel you. My hyperfocus only happens when I'm stressed, or have a deadline. Otherwise, nah.
adhd is all about artistic side of you... nature a art... chef gardening fashion designing interior .. nurse or doctor .. musicican makeup artists all thing art.. postry writning reading art
Adhd severely hurts my ability to process and retain information. Unfortunately I think it’s really quite common. It’s great to hear that you seem to have been able to use your adhd to your advantage though, helping you achieve goals in life!
@@alias201 same there is no in between it’s down to the wire focus session or nothing which has made me a procrastinator to the max but I find a way to get thru it. Not healthy but it does push me in that moment to get shit done when I have to in an unreasonably short period
I'm really happy living a normal life, Dr Isibor on youtube is the best thing that happens to me! I suffered bipolar/ADHD for 6 years spent all my money on medications and concluded to try dr isibor natural herbal treatment, body cleanser which lasted for 21 days I'm very ok and feel better now.
Change doctors! My wife is going through the same thing. She even got her adhd diagnosis seperately and her doctor still doesn't acknowdge it. Just as with any profession, there's good doctors who are willing to learn new information and listen to their patients. There are poor doctors who rely on what they learned in 1992, wont accept new info, and don't listen to their patients. We recently decided to find new help for her and have an upcoming appointment with someone who specializes in Neurodivergency. Don't let your mind suffer because of someone's incompetence!
Considering the commonalities and the high percentage of people with both disorders... I'm surprised that its not best practice to assess a patient for both at the same time, by default.
Incorrect! ADHD is not something you grow out of. Read updated information please. & Stop spreading incorrect information. This affects a life time not just childhood!
@@nature_photography_yukon it's also known to regress worse in mid life. My mum had combination ADHD. She developed worsening symptoms at age 51. I, myself need an evaluation as I have signs of ADHD but treatment for adults in the UK on the NHS is impossible unless you have a child with it too.
I was misdiagnosed fist as having ADHD, then having Bipolar Disorder. Turns out I just have seasonal depression, but none of my early therapists asked the right questions nor did they consider situations.
“~70% of people diagnosed with adhd in childhood grow out of it as adults”. Completely false. Most don’t grow out of it. Being successfully treated with medication (and therapy, often times) does not count as growing out of it, just as being properly medicated for bipolar doesn’t mean you have been cured.
I wonder if most of the people who supposedly outgrow it were misdiagnosed to begin with? Possibly with ODD, which most people do outgrow, literally. It just goes away, usually during puberty. So few doctors have a good understanding of ADHD, so I can see how it would be misdiagnosed for other things, and vice versa.
One thing ive seen a lot with this "statistic" is the clinical perspective on a diagnosis. To a clinician, a diagnosis is NOT an indicator of your neurotype it is an indicator of recurring dysfunction. So a clinician might say "We see people grow out of this diagnosis" when they are actually referring to an individual who has learned how to successfully manage symptoms to the point of "normal functionality" whatever that means for them. This is extremely confusing to us laymen, because coloquially, a diagnosis is understood to mean HAVING the condition, not how well you function on a given day. However, this is not clinically relevant to doctors (who have to deal with dysfunction not identity)
This is something that’s so hard to figure out because my doctor refuses to try ADHD meds on me. He’s scared that if he’s wrong it’ll send me into a manic episode
I switched doctors for this very reason. For two years refused to question the bipolar label the crisis center labeled me with. Been with the new doc for less than a month. Turns out its really mismanaged ADHD and disthymia so when I'm up it seems more excited and "manic" than it would be if I were not disthymic.
I don’t always get myself into trouble in hypomania. I just start new businesses and programs 🤣 then I wake up three weeks later like… “what the hell was I thinking?”
This is the most accurate description yet of mania or hypomania yet. As far as adhd (being in addition to bipolar if my diagnosis is correct) it really causes an introverted person like myself some serious confusion. Frequent indecision, personal conflicts in discretion, lack of focus, depression compounded by the lack of ability to manage these items like "normal" people ... its really complicated.
The doctor said “be careful that stimulant medication could push someone into a manic episode” that seems just really misleading, wrong even. It seems like he regards stimulants as stimulating, not calming, settling, which they are.
I've been diagnosed with both and it took years of trying different medications i finally got the right meds but for bipolar 2 and it makes a world of difference took me 60yrs to finally get it right, antidepressants do not work on bipolar it makes it worse for me anyways
@@anniealex7965 there's to many to remember but one sticks out greatly is welutral, if im spelling that correctly it's a antidepressant which doesn't work on me makes it worse I now take and have been on for 2yrs is Lamtrigine, for bipolar 2 but everyone's chemistry lab is different, your body, so that just what works for me good luck😊😉🙃
My daughter was diagnosed with inattentive ADD at 6 and developed depression but now her ex psychiatrist diagnosed her with bipolar disorder when she has none of the symptoms of it and I'm trying to find someone to help me. It's hard because it's my word against a doctors word and it has legal implications too. If it turns out she does have it, I'll accept it but right now there's no bipolar symptoms so I don't accept the diagnosis.
Doctors are allowed to prescribe bipolar meds, but are not allowed to prescribe ADHD meds because they can be sold on the street. Same with low dose opioid. If you have pain-good luck getting pain meds.
Dr. Tracey Marks is another Pysciatrist with a UA-cam channel full of information and resources. Apparently, if a child is diagnosed with depression, typically it develops into bipolar 2 later in life. I am living proof of that as well! After years of being treated for MDD and ADHD, to find out last week that it was bipolar 2 causing all of the cycles of very low depression. One UA-cam described bipolar 2 as the cheese and meat patty of a cheeseburger while bipolar 1 as the buns. The cycle and intensity of waves are very different and can look different in everyone. My bipolar systems are only present in hypomania and for years they thought it was just major depression. My antidepressants caused hyperarousal after awhile and adhd meds sent me into mania and hyper anxiety. Good luck and many blessings.
Thank you for this episode, it's given me lots to think about and I really appreciate the depth of you questions that focus on the personal issues like asking your care provider and how to see the differences.
This was a little frustrating to listen to. I know he isn't trying to start any sort of controversy, and I don't want him to feel attacked, so I'd like that to be clear upfront. That being said, 1) To say that "ADHD is not a mood disorder" is at best misleading. Any disorder that holistically affects function of the prefrontal lobes carries with it an impairment on emotional regulation *which is, in part, why ADHD people are impulsive to begin with*. ADHD is a neurodevelopmental disorder, but is also known to cause mood lability and emotional dysregulation (precisely because of its effect on the prefrontal lobes and dopaminergic pathways). 2) The differences in mood instability between Bipolar and ADHD should still be pretty obvious, even to a layman. Bipolar has it's characteristic phases lasting *at least a week*, whereas ADHD is really more akin to what is colloquially called a "mood swing". A seemingly trivial inconvenience might make them unreasonably mad, and thus ADHD people tend to struggle with anger management. The difference is that mood lability tends to last *moments, not days/weeks*. 3) It is growing increasingly clear that you do not "grow out" of ADHD in the same way that you do not "grow out" of Autism Spectrum Disorders. Instead, you learn to mask. Sincerely, an autistic person with ADHD.
I used to think i have adhd but when i say ro myself that i am calm i am calm and i have longer attention span thank god i found this video clits clear me
I wish Psychiatrists and psychologists and the Medical community would get on the same page and speak the same language. I prefer the term - Neurological Imbalance as opposed to Mood Disorder. This is such a weak derogatory term for a highly complex chain of chemical reactions and neurological processes. At the end of the day, BPD is biochemistry. It's one thing to have theories, it's another thing to have scientific data which is obviously lacking in the mental health field. We should have decades of brain imaging of bpd patients and adhd patients, but we don't. We have a little. We should have concrete pathologies, but we don't. We should have diagnoses based on pathology, blood tests, urine, and imaging, just like you would diagnose a leukemia or other disease or condition.
I was mistakenly diagnosed with ADHD at 12 because I was “hyper” on the go, not sleeping, and really irritable, my mother took me to my doctor and he diagnosed me with ADHD and he prescribed me a stimulant. That was the worst thing he did, I turned manic, I was violent, thrashing about, attacking people, breaking items and being very angry for no reason and having all this energy. Before I turned 20 I was diagnosed with bipolar type 1, I never had adhd in the first place and the stimulant triggered a manic episode
Most doctors will not give ADHD medication to adults. My son, husband, and step son have all run into this. Because it can be sold on the street. But they cannot concentrate well enough to manage their lives. Counseling doesn't help enough.
You cant talk away cancer do think you can talk away adhd like well bipolar no it needs medicin but why people with adhd dont get it is becouse its narcotic classed medication and with bipolar you dont need narcotics only psyfarma there for every paitient with bipolar is medicated
@@lindayanez9519 because the diagnosis criteria for ADHD is not correct, and because schools can diagnose autism, many children with only ADHD end up with an autism diagnosis as well. Also, autism is the only diagnosis in children for which risperdone is FDA approved. Schools(and sadly, many parents) don’t want to put in the effort to help children with ADHD in an appropriate way, and would rather give them antipsychotic meds that will just shut them up. It’s tragic.
I know this video was made many years ago, however I served in the army for over a decade. When I come back from a very difficult tour of Iraq, where I was a A&E medic I started having pretty severe PTSD symptoms. I asked for help and was told to toughen up and made to feel “weak” in comparison to everyone else who was just “getting on with it” less than a year later I found myself pregnant with my son, all I ever wanted to be was a mum so for a short while I felt I’d been given a second chance of happiness and to focus on all the wonderful aspects that motherhood had waiting on me. I didn’t understand it at the time, but all I was doing was suppressing these feelings, almost like constantly cramming things into a cupboard till one day everything comes spilling back out. This happened when I had my son, instantly and I mean instantly It was like this wash of sheer dread overcome me as he was being held up to show me this beautiful dreamed and prayed for baby. No instant rush of love nothing just absolute fear. I ended up with what was also undiagnosed postnatal psychosis. The army however decided because I was talking fast and seemed agitated, and the fact I had said I was scared my son had been sent as a punishment for a mistake I made on tour which I won’t get into but yeah, even then they didn’t think wait a second? Traumatic tour just before pregnancy now this, 2+2=4? Well no the army said it =Bipolar and because I argued and protested this wasn’t right and that I wouldn’t be taking anything they where giving me, they deemed me as paranoid and aggressive and sectioned me. In the psych ward I was basically bullied and worn down till I complied with starting on antidepressants,antipsychotics and a mood stabiliser. All of which were extremely high doses and left me a shadow of the women I was, I can’t even remember that period clearly as I was so medicated and unable to function. Anyway things got worse but somehow I found myself pregnant with my beautiful daughter who was a twin. I wasn’t taken off the sodium valproate which is a huge no in pregnancy especially during the 1st trimester however the army refused the take me off the SV and I miscarried one of my baby girls. During this time I was sectioned for a sectioned time as I refused to take my meds again, screaming and crying, begging someone to listen to me. No one did, in the end they convinced me at the age of 26 to be sterilised as I was told what I had done (coz I got pregnant on my own 💀) was selfish and that I was already unstable and unable to be a good mum to my son and wife to my then husband and how I’d acted recklessly. I was shouted at and told that I was ruining everyone arounds me life by not accepting my illness and that I’d never be a good mum or wife if I didn’t do just that. So in the end again I complied had my daughter and was “ok” ex husband left when she was only 6 weeks old, the army medically discharged me saying I was unfit for military service. My life my career everything was over including as I said my marriage. I eventually got the correct diagnosis of PTSD in 2015 and was slowly and carefully taken off all the meds I’d been given by the army. The two psychiatrists I seen upon my discharge where horrified to put it mildly and since then I’ve been trying to build my life back up. I should add the only reason I got to see these psychiatrists to eventually get my correct diagnosis and help was through having to fight for 16 months to have my children returned to my care after there dad removed them claiming my bipolar made me unable to care for them the way him and his now wife could. That I couldn’t provide a stable home etc etc I was unpredictable you get the idea ? I eventually did win the custody of my children back however as it stands on the 7th of October 2023 im still fighting for justice, even an apology from the MOD and waiting on a request I have made to have the incorrect diagnosis placed on my discharge medical records changed. So far nothing has happened. No apology nothing just a women at 37 desperately trying to understand why. I’ve also been off all medication other than sertraline for my PTSD and anxiety for 9 years episode free
I have a dual diagnosis, and my doctor only prescribes the stimulants when I’m having hypomanic episodes. When the depression is major, he prescribes a stimulant to help combat those symptoms.
This was painful to watch… every single book, every doc who studies and focuses on adhd will tell you people with adhd have mood dysregulation issues… Adhd people have trouble regulating mood… I stopped the video at 5 minutes…
I have both ADHD and Bipolar. This area needs to be explained and explored a lot better. My ADHD is inattentive as I am not hyperactive... I grew up a quiet kid that could not pay attention in school. By 17, bipolar struck and I was bouncing off the walls for a couple days and then crying and hiding from the world. I always assumed it was just bipolar...but it wasn't bipolar as a child. My attention is still incredibly difficult now that I'm 47 and I have myself *mostly* under control. After working with ADHD medications, I'm now able to do things I've struggled with my entire life.
I love medcircle and refer a lot of friends to this channel. But you missed the mark BIG TIME saying people outgrow ADHD. My struggles changed but I still struggled. Finally diagnosed with ADHD @ 45 and still in the process of figuring out if I have bipolar. Thank you for being mental health advocates. I hope you'll edit this video to reflect more accurately on the real life long struggles of ADHD.
I appreciate the distinction between ADHD and Bipolar Disorder as well as addressing the overlaps and validating the struggle of people diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder also struggling with ADHD symptoms that can't take stimulants because it will induce mania. I do think the description of mania/hypomania here is very generalized. High functional people living with Bipolar Disorder can exercise self-care and mindfulness tactics to regulate their moods enough to maintain a the structure of their lives and leverage the periodic "ups" for massive productivity and can most definitely become hyper focussed.
While I was in university after some "issues" I won't go into, it was recommended I talk to the universities counsellor who suggested I have Bipolar disorder and possibly the beginnings of schiziophenia. I have a very strong family history of these conditions so pretty sure she took one look at that and tarred me with the same brush. I wasn't keen on this so I avoided a proper diagnosis for years, since my family members were basically medicated to death. After my best friend got an ADHD diagnosis and I told him bullshit, you don't have ADHD, you're too good in school and just act like me, and he said yep... So I went for a proper diagnosis and yeah, ADHD. I didn't fit the hyperactive shithead child stereyotype of the 90s so it had never occurred to me. Managing my symptoms is a lot easier now and I'm unmedicated most of the time.
Duel Diagnosis. Bipolar & adhd - I think I’m familiar with that. A low dose of stimulant med works for someone who is hypomanic with attention deficit Thank you
Possible ADHD and attention issues ,but I do have minor mood swings. Definitely anxiety here and trying to help a friend. We both can be moody. My body doesn't like Xanax ,it makes me sleepy.
I have add and you don't grow out of it. I am also an empath. Its very difficult to live with. I have been on so many different meds. Doctors don't understand at least I haven't found one, that has. I love how they call it mania. I also pick up on vibrations. Which is hard to tune out. I'm tired of being miss labeled. I know Concerta help me concentrate, however it needs to be offset with an anxiety med
Have you heard about the controversy over "highly sensitive person" identifiers? basically, its coded language for autism. A woman denied her son's autism diagnosis and instead invented new terms labelling him an empath instead. contributes to the stigma against autism and prevents people from reciving the actual support/techniques they need. Be careful out there!
I'd love to see a video about bipolar vs PTSD. I've been diagnosed with CPTSD, Bipolar, and ADHD, and I know there's an overlap between any two of these, and am interested in hearing more. Love these videos!
You do not need mental health providers for mental health issues they treat mental health isuuses wrong with meds and meds are piosion they dont fix anything. All you need is a holistc provider, mental health issues are caused by nutrition deficiencies and also if you have certain tick bite diseases can add to mental health issues. regular drs and providers will never tell you that or know that. Holistic drs do thorough blood testing that regular drs wount do wich includes thorough nutrition blood test and tick bite disese blood tests. Holistic drs know the optimal amount for nutrition levels reg providers wount tell you the correct amount or dont know. Low normal in a nutrition blood test is deficient. Most of the time all mental health issues are caused by nutrition defciencies fix that and your mental health issues will be gone, it you have a tick bite disease it can be cure naturally with nutriion and herbs. Best and fastest way to treat nutrition deficiencies is nutrion ivs and nutrition injections. Most holistic drs do them and medical spas. for examples Being low in b vitamins and d3 causes a ton of mental health issues. Its accully easy to fix mental health issues just have corrcet nutrtion levels in your body, and treat any tick bite diseases if you have any. dont use antibiotics either..
I thought I had adhd. My bipolar2 felt exactly like ADHD with depression added onto it. Mood stabilizers (lamictal) solved both issues for me! Gave me better focus on depression and waaaay more mental and physical energy.
The reason these hosts aren’t getting ADHD right it’s because the DSM is missing the big component and that is emotional dysregulation Once you add that back in you will see why there are many misdiagnosed with just bipolar or bipolar when it’s ADHD.
What I have learned in this journey is that even the professionals don’t know what they’re doing. There is still a lot of trial and error going on. Hence why called practicing medicine
Don’t walk a mile in my shoes, walk a lifetime. I don’t think people really know and understand unless they themselves have adhd and clearly experienced all the frustrations and limitations that were adopted into a functional lifestyle over years. or they are trying to find the right meds that help them feel a little more whole. In other words if you don’t have it you don’t truly know it and shouldn’t be able to speak on it. Growing out of it is just plain impossible so with or without meds you still adapt and create your own technique to function with it in your daily life.
I have bipolar and adhd. my manic episodes are speaking loud being horribly horribly anxious, eating alot, looking in the mirror alot 😂. and of course not sleepin AT ALL. i go from being mildly suicidal, thanks to meds only mildly, to becoming happier then ever. All in a matter of minutes. Id say that adhd is an internalized struggle. whereas Bipolar is severely externalized and often takes other people to tell you that you need help, which is what i went through.
We do NOT grow out of ADHD. Most of us learn to mask it in order to survive: in order to fit into a world which is not designed for our comfort or well being. We learn to ignore our disorder and this is one of the reasons why we so often end up depressed and are so often misdiagnosed bi polar. We are born ADHD and we remain ADHD until the end of our days.
I think a lot of people misunderstood what they ment with the "Grow out of adhd".. i was diagnosted too with adhd as an adult, but if i had have the proper diagnostic as a child, i could have develop strategies to actually grow out of it, you know? that's the issue, when your parents or tutors ignore the obvious and don't take u to proffesionals happens that you grow up and the symphtoms get worse until you get the proper treatment, and being and adult with adhd is permanent, you cannot get rid of it. Childhood its the best moment for diagnostic and treatment, thats how you grow out of..
ADHD has nothing to do with your mental health, it's your cognition and its something you're born with. Similar to Autism or Dyslexia you don't 'grow out' of it.
I had adhd issues, and then after engineering school I learned how to use it and most of the negative effects left for me, so I do think you can overcome it if you happen to grow your mind certain ways, while maybe not losing it overall. However, after my head trauma it's like it's back with a vengeance. How much is the tbi vs adhd idk.
What about co-morbidity? I was late to diagnosis bipolar 2 co morbid adult adhd and lost my family & I've been homeless for 3 years. So, I got that going for me.
Honestly the minute they said that it's common knowledge that people grow out of ADHD in adulthood, they lost me and I got kind of ticked off. That is absolutely not true. You really do humanity a disservice when you say stuff like that guys.
what do i do if ive known and researched that i have ADHD and autism it even runs in my family but she refused and diagnosed me with BPD when i just met her and i know the stigma of misdiagnosing females with BPD when it always ends up being ADHD and ASD
That’s actually backwards. BPD is the stigmatized diagnosis. While nobody can be diagnosed with anything immediately(well, actually, people with BPD usually can, very quickly), adult diagnoses of ASD and/or ADHD should always be looked at skeptically. I have one kid with only ADHD and one with only ASD(aspergers). For my ADHD kid, symptoms were very bad by age 5-6. Aspergers has never been a huge issue, but we could still see it by about 8-9(and she’s female, so she probably hides it better than boys).
if psychiatrist claim most adults grow out of ADHD, then they are not doing their job very well, and also proves there are major flaws in the DSM manual in diagnostic criteria, and this can be said for most of the conditions in the DSM.
I appreciate so much this wonderful Dr Dom 🙂🌻 giving us this timely information 💕 sometimes I think its also anger 🤬 control and aggressive mannerisms that are horrible and narcissistic in mannerism
I feel so offended by this expert. You don't grow out of ADHD you learn more masking and coping mechanisms. My ADHD was ignored by everyone until I was diagnosed at 30. This is such a disappointing video compared to what it could have been. Dr. Dominic Scortelli needs to update his knowledge and research because this is why so many adults SUFFER in f*ing silence during adulthood.
I have been diagnosed with Bipolar 1 after a psychotic episode, and I also highly suspect I have ADHD; hoping to save up to see about an evaluation/assessment soon. o vo!!!
I like to see a video with somone talking about ADHD as it is not as You think it is. Everyone, Dr.s can so much about every disorder but are so lost when it comes to this Why?
It’s called borderline personality disorder. There is no adult onset ADHD, and it’s also very rare in females. The symptoms of BPD are remarkably similar to those of ADHD. Neither are very similar to bipolar, but I can understand why someone would jump to that conclusion. My family is full of people with ADHD, ASD, OCD, and bipolar disorder. Nobody in my family has overlapping diagnoses, so it’s very easy for me to see the differences. Nobody in my family has BPD(that I know of), because of stigma, doctors don’t like to diagnose it, and will look for other “born this way” diagnoses.
@@katieandnick4113 how are you speaking on something you don't have. Adhd starts in childhood and stays for life. Border line personality is nothing like adhd
@@katieandnick4113that's an interesting take. I would like to say that women "mask" symptoms a lot better than men due to societal expectations. I also would like to say that hyper active adhd is different to inattentive adhd.
This misinformation about growing out of ADHD is plain wrong. It’s a neurodevelopmental disorder that affects the frontal lobe which affects self-regulation and executive disfunction. Studies show, on average, there is a roughly 30% percent delay in growth and development. This continues well into adulthood
There is a new studie from Umeå university that points that stimulents for individuals with bipolar decrease suicide risk and such, at least it seems to be better that you are on ADHD medication than no medication at all. Interesting
You cannot give stimulants to a bipolar patient(bipolar 1 anyway). Too much risk of mania/psychosis. Many bipolar patients can’t even take anti depressants for that reason.
@@katieandnick4113 I'm on stimulants and antidepressants. But I'm also on antipsychotics to regulate the bipolar disorder. Everything together improves my quality of life.
Along with the other comments, this video is quite insulting to those who are neurodiverse whether that be adhd or bipolar or both. ADHD also has a genetic component, which I understand bipolar genetic component is greater, this video makes it seem as though adhd isn’t.
"I know this is not the first time you're watching our videos on youtube" Me: Very first episode I've seen, never heard of the channel before. You know, youtube is a strange place. How about you don't assume anything about your viewers?
Fricken yawn fest, though my ADHD plays a part. I would have shown a chart one side for ADHD and the other side Bipolar, the top showing the similarities of both and the bottom the differences between them.
I know a guy that has at least FOUR favorite NHL teams, and that extends to six or seven in the playoffs, lol. He's constantly flipping channels and his favorite team changes from day to day ( as a Leafs fan, his 'Go Oilers', 'Go Rangers', Go Flyers' etc... texts drive me nuts, lol ). I know he has severe mood swings and abnormal sleep patterns, staying up almost until morning sometimes, and is most likely bipolar. But I wonder if this four favorite NHL teams and constant channel flipping thing is related to his bipolar disorder, or does he have ADHD and bipolar disorder?
So much of this information is just so frustratingly wrong! Like I was diagnosed with adhd much older and so is like every woman I know. I am in a community of people who all had later in life diagnoses. A lot of people, especially women statistically are very good at masking. Also a lot of people with adhd are highly intelligent so it goes unnoticed when they are young. My sister was a "gifted" child. Tested at 145 IQ at like 7. She had a nervous breakdown on college and we found out she had inattentive adhd. Also I don't believe people "grow out of it" they learn to manage it.
“Masking” really only applies to aspergers in females. ADHD does seem to be a spectrum disorder, but there will always be emotional regulation problems, usually when they start school. No child can go through their entire k-12 career, and not show significant symptoms. IQ does not matter, in regards to emotional regulation. If a female in college suddenly starts showing symptoms that look like ADHD, while never having significant issues before, a much more likely diagnosis is borderline personality disorder.
It's a dopamine imbalance. That's why Bupropion works for mild ADD. It's an NDRI (norepinephrine & dopamine reuptake inhibitor) & for those people, SSRI (selective serotonin) meds are completely wrong. I would know. Every SSRI I have ever been given has only made my problems worse. They made me more depressed. Attention and focus exist with sufficient dopamine levels & are not affected by serotonin. Dopamine controls coordination, attention span, as well as trigger feelings of reward, or satisfaction. Serotonin helps with moods, diet, and sleep regulation. Dopamine is a natural stimulant, therefore NDRIs tend to make anxiety worse. SSRIs are used to treat anxiety & tend to make people tired. NDRIs trigger mania in people with bipolar disorder (type 1) & SSRIs are used to treat bipolar depression. Most doctors try Wellbutrin & Strattera before turning to amphetamines. They rarely prescribe NDRIs if someone is also taking amphetamines, they will switch to an SSRI if the patient needs stimulants. If a patient has anxiety, NDRIs will induce panic attacks. Also, amphetamines affect the same parts of the brain as NDRIs, because they regulate dopamine function; so there's that to consider. Those are wildly different afflictions, side effects, and treatments. I cannot tolerate any SSRI, and Wellbutrin is the only antidepressant I am able to take. It didn't do anything for my focus, so I also have Adderall prescribed, and absolutely NO overstimulation or anxiety issues. My dopamine levels have always been irregular and I never felt normal, for 36 years! I'm 38 and finally feel like a person. I also don't believe everything I'm told, regardless of who's saying it, and I find hard science to be much more reliable than a hypothesis, especially if I am putting chemicals in my body that change my brain function. Everyone's experience is unique to them. Most people would probably go manic on 2 meds with stimulating effects, but I still get 8 hours of sleep. I'm never hyper and if I am too tired, my meds don't work at all. Those are all clear signs that I am on the RIGHT meds. I had to fight to feel normal and I had to beg to be taken off mood stabilizers, which ruined my life for over 10 years. Fake illness? Must be nice to have a functional brain without chemical assistance. You should just consider yourself blessed! Nobody wants to be dysfunctional. Nobody who has ADHD asked for it. I believed it was a made up affliction and an excuse for hyperactivity in boys. Children are not meant to focus for 8 hours, without any sort of release. Most boys just need to be allowed to go outside and play rough. That has been proven. That doesn't mean ALL boys with ADHD are misdiagnosed, nor does it mean that it's less severe in girls; it manifests differently. Our report cards usually had "does not participate in class.. Does not turn in homework.. Daydreams and doodles in class" written on them, year after year after year... Not living up to potential. Brilliant mind, but poor test scores. That's inattentive ADHD. We excel when we are challenged. We are bored when we already know how to do something. We are hyper-focused when we're doing something we enjoy.. That's why nobody catches it until it's too late. These are all facts. Well known facts.
oh yes, my boyfriends little girl has been diagnosed with both ADHD and BIPOLAR, she also has Polymicrogiria. Dr.Sportelli do you have any helpful information on Polymicrogiria?
as someone diagnosed with both, i disagree that bipolar doesn’t show itself in young kids often. i think it’s more so ignored as a “temperamental growing up thing” (think puberty) rather than a serious mental disorder. ive been struggling OUTWARDLY since i turned 11 and was ignored until i was strong enough to go to a doctor at 20. this video bothered me so much i had to stop watching. i’d rather listen to diagnosed bipolar individuals speaking from experience than whatever this is 😭😭😭😭 maybe have a three-way talk w someone diagnosed. the “growing out of adhd” talk was also extremely cringey and misleading
Yuh, i got adhd bro, growing up i use to think it was my curse but as i got older, i looked at it as god’s gift to me, even tho i cant focus on jus one topic, i can think bout 30 more, it causes me to plan ahead too. Ngl i think i also have bipolar disorder bc i have depressive stages and it starts to feel like a voice in my head. Its weird, wit the adhd i have to walk around because these depressive stages keep me trapped in my head which i needa walk around to get my thoughts jogging, if i dont i get really irritated and almost sad asf sometimes, I’m not diagnosed wit bipolar disorder but i was diagnosed wit adhd since i was like 5 or 6, now im 16 bouta be 17
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Hey can you have both adhd and schizophrenia
You don’t grow out of ADHD. I’m disappointed that the effort people put into adapting to having ADHD is just dismissed as growing out of it. It takes a lot of work to get there.
Yeah. ADHD and ADD seem to be constantly belittled by society...
Yes I agree with you, however I also understand the point they are making that people with add/adhd can effectively manage the disorder and bi-polar is not something you can manage without medication.
Yup. Little kids who are misdiagnosed with ADHD will grow out of being hyperactive, but people who actually have it cannot. They can learn to manage it so it is much less of a problem, and pretend that they aren't struggling (sometimes called masking), but they will never grow out of it.
Some people do just straight up grow out of it though.
@@chrisking6152 then they were misdiagnosed and has symptoms from other things going on in their lives or in the home that made them look distracted. It will always manifest in other ways as an adult if truly ADD. Such as issues with their partners/marriages/jobs/etc.
Hi. I'm not sure if you got your statistics wrong or maybe just mistaken, but research shows the exact opposite of what you mentioned about growing out of ADHD. Somewhere between 60% and 85% of people diagnosed with ADHD in childhood continue to have severe symptoms well into adulthood that require treatment. What children do "grow out" of is the external symptoms of hyperactivity of ADHD, like running around, non-stop playing, and pacing at inappropriate times. Adults with hyperactive type ADHD tend to have far more internal symptoms of hyperactivity like racing thoughts, impatience, becoming easily bored with activities, and the inability to accurately gauge the passage of time. Of course, adults with inattentive type ADHD still experience similar internal symptoms as they did when they were children, including not being able to complete tasks, becoming overly focused on unimportant tasks, difficulty with oral directions, disorganization, the inability to accurately gauge the passage of time, trouble multitasking, poor planning, and forgetfulness. Saying that ADHD is something that you can "grow out" of can ultimately be really stigmatizing to adults with ADHD who feel a lot of internalized shame for not being able to function like everyone else.
So much agree with this statement. 👏 👏👏👏
Yeah i was fhinking this exact thing where theres just no validation for the strugfle of ADHD everyones like why are you so stupid and energetic and than they see its ADHD and than the first thing you hear is what are you doind to manage it and thannnnn once you learn to manage it really well you are finally valodated for not having it anymre so all of this makes it hard to even want to make it better bc you dont trust the work will be worth it bc nothing is ever valid to your parents
Edit: Also parents will probably invalidate ADHD just bc they cant admit that something might be wrong with you and maybe in a narssasistic way or maybe they jist want you to be safe or somethin idk idontflippin knowwwwww!!!!!
@KidVon yeahh mann thanks for thatt bit of validation ther youre valid too my dude
So very true
Absolutely agree. My ADHD went untreated and I never “grew” out of it. It only got worse.
I have bi polar and been sectioned 5 times, they eventually found the right medication and I have not had manic episode or been sectioned for 11 years yippee
@Bill Haggard The medication that's kept me well for over a decade is called Zuclopenthixol oral and I think its the same meds you get injections with but that's called Dipixol don't quote me..
@Bojan and Cat Pika thank you 😊
@Bill Haggard Thank you, I look after myself a lot more nowadays since I have been drug free from illicit substances and I am quietly confident I will have no more manic episodes 🙏
This is a very valuable discussion. Thanks to these two gentlemen🙂
I nearly got sectioned 3 weeks ago. Haven't been sectioned in years, so I was really unhappy about it. My meds have changed now. We'll see how it goes.
I've been diagnosed (twice) for 12 years and still sometimes don't believe I have it.
All due respect, the language used around "growing out of ADHD" really missed the mark. I got a diagnosis for ADHD recently and the thru line of its impact on my life are very clear. I manage my ADHD, so well in fact, that I manage a medium team in a large, high pace tech company, but it is still a battle for me. ADHD still robs me of joy, peace, presence, and confidence, even tho I manage it well and can control myself. ADHD still impacts my relationships and maintenance of my life. I understand the intent - that bi-polar is far more challenging to cope with, if not impossible, but your language here really matters.
I think what they were trying to get at is that ADHD differs from Bipolar in the sense than ADHD is NOT a "progressive" illness, meaning it does not get worse with time, and often gets better. ADHD as an underlying problem may not "go away", but because it at worst stays the same, people who grow up with it simply become better at managing it with time. This is a sort of "growing out" of ADHD but it's more like "growing around" it. Bipolar is very different in that, untreated, Bipolar gets progressively worse as time goes on and people with Bipolar do not get any better at managing it without treatment but it in fact becomes completely unmanageable. This is why Bipolar is progressive and ADHD is not. This is why we say ADHD gets less severe with age and Bipolar does not.
Excellent point and very well said. 👍
I was misdiagnosed bipolar and when I saw a therapist for two years she said there was no way and I just have fairly bad ADHD. I was diagnosed with adhd by a neurologist at five. The way we see adhd has changed so much since then. I’m so relieved to have found help and it working!
i have a feeling i might be in the same boat. diagnosed bipolar rn. talking to a psych soon.
There’s no such thing as ADHD nor ADD
Renowned Phd psychologist Dr Martin Seligman debunked it thoroughly in his books 📚 and he named big names in the psychology & psychiatry disciplines as frauds and in the pharmaceutical scam they are tied to and NO ONE sued him nor offered any rebuttal ! In Canada 🇨🇦 we our doctors see those labels as debunked long ago !
Stop buying into victimhood and go research and read what Seligman proved is really your problem
You don’t have these make believe labels of faux maladies that do NOT exist 🏷 to sell pharmaceuticals !
@@nickreynolds9745 you need endorphins
Take up jogging 🏃🏻♀️
Don’t take pills 💊!!!
I was too. My psychiatrist redacted a previous misdiagnosis of bipolar….
I have now treated but many many years unaddressed…..adhd.
@@cal2062 ADHD does exist
I had ADHD as a child, I don't think you grow out of it, but it can get better. and you learn ways to make life easier. My friends still tease me, and that's fine, However I know that spacey, does not equal stupid, and I think that's something children should be taught early on.
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Well said. Your brain is just wired differently
What does being sectioned mean? I’ve never heard of that before and I have studied mental health for a long time.
I'd like to see a video on the overlap and differences between ADHD and autism. Thanks in advance. Keep up the awesome work! ❤️
Me too. They kept trying to tell me my son was in school and he does not fit the symptoms of autism from what I've learned and being adhd myself, he fits this much more. I would like a teaching on it too. 🙂
Yes!!
I wholeheartedly concur 💯%THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO❤️🙏😊
@@dianalewandowski7421 who's opinion was this? Was this the recommendation of his teacher or was he tested by someone outside of the school?
The big difference between autism and a sensory processing disorder is going to be that emphasis on socializing & language issues. Adhd can look extremely similar to autism from the outside. theres a 60% comorbidity so having both is very common. personally, i have found that my adhd severity fluctuates by the day while my autism remains largely the same. my focus might come and go but i will never understand gender roles. If your child has recurring difficulty forming close relationships/socializing, if they have frequent misunderstandings with all people it may point to autism. however, if it is more of a regulation issue it may indicate adhd. your kid is going to be the ultimate expert on this. watch videos with them and see what they relate to. ask them what part is most difficult for them, if they are verbal.
ADHD isn't noted early in females, I've learned since my diagnosis at 32 (7 yrs ago), but my counselor had me convinced that I had a type of bipolar disorder. She referred me to a psychiatrist who diagnosed me with ADHD..... which explained ALOT.
im legit going through the samething now
hopefully everything gets better for you :)
I went to a shrink the other day who suggested Bipolar and I was like 🤦🤦
I know the symptoms of both disorders and I'm definitely not Bipolar.
I know the importance of seeing the right doctor as I have OCD and many people get labelled as schizophrenic etc if the doc doesn't know much about OCD
I feel your pain. I was 33 when I was first diagnosed (38 now). Last year I saw a neurologist who specializes in adult ADHD & was not known for prescribing amphetamines. She was very anti-medication for ADHD. She prescribed them to me after the 1st visit because she was genuinely concerned about my ability to care for my son, who has autism.
I've seen a few behavioral specialists & there are 2 types: doctors who overprescribe & doctors who refuse to prescribe controlled substances to anyone, no matter how badly the patient needs them. She was the latter of the 2. I spent years thinking I had bipolar type 1. Turns out, I NEVER had bipolar disorder. All of my issues, including depression & anxiety, were linked to untreated ADHD. The problems that come with ADHD can absolutely leave someone depressed, anxious, and moody. There's a reason you can build an entire medical career out of treating adult ADHD, and that's because it's a real problem.
There's an entire generation of women whose ADHD was overlooked and we all have brilliant minds. Many of us gifted. If we had been diagnosed, who knows where our lives would be.
@@aurorajade5286 very interesting. Check out Tracey Marks on UA-cam speaking about ADHD. Excellent
Difficulty with emotional regulation was part of ADHD up until the early 1970s (first appearing in the medical literature in the 1700s) when it was removed. According to Dr. Stephen Barkley, a well-known ADHD researcher of over 40 years, in the past year research has indicated that difficulties with emotional regulation ARE a core feature of ADHD. Just a thought to add to the discussion. All that said, I have come to the conclusion that the medical community does NOT share a common understanding and belief regarding what ADHD is.
Russell Barkley, and yes, he’s so knowledgeable. It almost feels intentional, on the part of the APA, to leave the most important, most detrimental, aspect of ADHD out of diagnosis criteria. I think this can help explain why so many children are being diagnosed with both ADHD and autism. It’s so rare that a child only has the ADHD diagnosis, and schools push hard to evaluate for autism because they do not know about the emotional regulation problems involved with ADHD(which actually aren’t a big problem for most kids with autism anyway), and assume ADHD is just about being physically hyperactive. Then, of course, there’s ODD, which I think is just completely overlooked in so many children, and diagnosed as either ASD or ADHD. If parents do not understand ADHD, they are likely to believe their child is “misbehaving” on purpose, or to be manipulative, and that will only lead to worsening of symptoms. These kids(and adults) need empathy and understanding before any of their symptoms can be dealt with. They are also very vulnerable to abuse and bullying by other children. I have lost almost all of the confidence I had in the field of psychology/psychiatry because of, what seems like, intentional ignorance about ADHD, and so many other disorders involving mental health.
DSM Is not valid, inventing and creating conditions and keep changing diagnostic criteria all the time, purely based on votes by a handful of people whom have ties to the drug industry. homosexuality was considered a mental disorder in the 1960s then in the 1970s it wasnt. Its all pseudo science, based on opinion not testable scientific fact.
Yeah. The only other person I’ve met with ADHD who hasn’t always experienced overwhelming emotional disregulation is my boyfriend… who is also autistic, and the only person who I know who definitely has both. He also suspects he has bipolar disorder because of issues that don’t relate at all with ADHD or autism.
@@katieandnick4113 Psychology is still relatively underdeveloped as opposed to physical health treatment. The DSM hasn’t been updated in like a decade and should really get updated soon. Researchers need to look further into things that are symptoms but not considered official.
You do not need mental health providers for mental health issues they treat mental health isuuses wrong with meds and meds are piosion they dont fix anything. All you need is a holistc provider, mental health issues are caused by nutrition deficiencies and also if you have certain tick bite diseases can add to mental health issues. regular drs and providers will never tell you that or know that. Holistic drs do thorough blood testing that regular drs wount do wich includes thorough nutrition blood test and tick bite disese blood tests. Holistic drs know the optimal amount for nutrition levels reg providers wount tell you the correct amount or dont know. Low normal in a nutrition blood test is deficient. Most of the time all mental health issues are caused by nutrition defciencies fix that and your mental health issues will be gone, it you have a tick bite disease it can be cure naturally with nutriion and herbs. Best and fastest way to treat nutrition deficiencies is nutrion ivs and nutrition injections. Most holistic drs do them and medical spas. for examples Being low in b vitamins and d3 causes a ton of mental health issues. Its accully easy to fix mental health issues just have corrcet nutrtion levels in your body, and treat any tick bite diseases if you have any. dont use antibiotics either...
was very interested until he started saying that you “grow” out of it. it’s literally the way your brain processes information, you NEVER grow out of it. you learn to adapt. that’s why one of the criteria when you’re diagnosed with ADHD as an adult is that you have to have been experience symptoms before the age of 12. why? because if you weren’t, it’s most likely not ADHD.
please please PLEASE don’t spread out that misinformation, this is exactly why ADHD is so misunderstood in people that don’t actually have it
Exactly..and everyone listens to Dr.blabla bla... I'm real tiered of it, and both therapists and people think is like haveing headache....no disorder is moore miss diagnosed then adhd. I literally know people that have filld out 2 forms 2 pages with 10 questions from DSM and now they have adhd in their medical journal (files) it's a spit in the face to those who actully have it.
Part of the inaccuracy in the comment that many individuals “grow out” of ADHD is due to the focus on individuals with ADHD *during childhood*, which has received a lot more attention than ADHD as it occurs adults. I think it would be very helpful to have an overview video/article that explains the differences in individual experience as well as the population-level dynamics of childhood- vs adult-ADHD.
@@normally6785 there is non......it feels exactly the same now as when I was 9 im 40 now....you only mature and dont run around as much thats the only diffrence you learn to mask and hide it but you still got exactly the same problems Adhd isn't a behavior disorder. The brain is wierd diffrent for those who have it......but many kidds that comes from dysfunctional familys did get the disorder but wrong from psychologists just by haveing trouble at home and when that stops their behavior stops as well too and there for many say it goes away with age......WRONG! They are miss diagnosed for bad behavior when growing up....Real Adhd Never goes away you can manage with medicin and another things to get through life Ok but never in the same ways as someone that not suffers from adhd....people think it's like having a GD headache now a days becouse of all the miss diagnoseing in the early 2000....its and it's hard for those who really have it not to be taken seriously, becouse almost every one with it can't handle school, some jobs and you get behind in life Not becouse you are stupid just becouse you are distracted by 10.000 thoughts all at the same time. And with that comes anxiety n depression. You litterly take in everything you see 24/7.
I'm actully far over normal at iq test ...and that kind of hard to know you are smart and capable...but still you cant get it done. So you get on drugs to easy up all the pain and start self medicate.....no it's no headache alright.
Maybe some have moor some less i got the first mention.....I really hope that the community in the psyciatric care and therapists and so on study moore and take this moor serious...
Becouse now it's a disgrace....just listen to the man on the video and He is a specialist..i don't know if I should laugh or cry.....sorry that got to many words. Have a good one!
It’s not that many that ‘grow out’ of it. It’s usually lifelong and there are just coping strategies and medications, which can have profound effects (mostly medications)
SUPER excited to even learn that it is a common diagnosis. ADHD is definitely something that needs more study on since it can conflict as other disorders pretty well
And both therapists and others needs to learn that haveing real Adhd is no picknick that you grow out of, you may cope with it and handle it moore grown up but grow out of it no, then you are wrongly diagnosed and have had other issus as a child. This disorder is so Belittled its scary in comparison to how much it destroys the people who really has. The sentence I have add or adhd by the avreage man is now equally common as taking a dump. Donal duck therapists gives out this disorder like its nothing, "yea doc i have little bit hard to read when i am home with my 19 siblings"...ok son you have adhd. NO you have not.....but this is how its become.
Like a therapists cant be wrong or not take the time...they are just people like everyone else and they get it wrong. But the society must stop treating it like it's a sunday mourning headache. I got this stuff And its no where near what people think it is to have it.
ADHD also comes with some serious mood issues believe me, I know. I’ve been trying to manage this monster for 50 years.
Exactly. Like rejection sensitive dysphoria, and to me that's the worst part of adhd.
@@josephjoe9775 It's by far the worst. It really fucks up friendships and relationships
@@josephjoe9775 wholeheartedly agree. Its the WORST.
@@josephjoe9775 One moment i’m the life of the party the next moment its just depressing to be around me.
Me too. I’m about to turn 50 and it just get worse. I’m taking therapy and learning a lot about, but it’s just too hard and exhausting.
You don't "grow out" of ADHD (as others have said in the comments). This is an insult to those of us who are neurodiverse. Your brain chemistry changes as you get older. My ADHD decided to change when I was 30 and my Adderall regimen I was on for years no longer worked. No other triggers/changes. Haven't found a way to build up to what my "normal" level of organization and function was before then, which was low to begin with.
It takes so much effort to get myself to face the day, get ready for the day, then go through it. I was recently was diagnosed with Bipolar II so I'm not very familiar with how that's going to come into play.
It's really upsetting to hear this interview spewing stigma and really playing down how hard it is to appear high functioning as someone with ADHD. I was hoping to learn more about what might be going on with me. Instead I feel shamed for having ADHD and not "growing out of it."
And yes, I watched the entire video before commenting, I was hoping there'd be more clarification that "growing out" of ADHD isn't something that magically happens to most people. Good luck to anyone who seeks help from either of you and have a positive self esteem. I guess I'm a failure for still having ADHD even though I'm doing everything I can, right? Having both broken executive functioning and depression with Bipolar II makes it hard to even get out of bed and face the day. Thank you for making me feel like a failure. Really needed that.
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Please don't be too hard on yourself. About 85% of us ADHD people barely achieve levels of normal function in adulthood. In fact a lot that was said in this video has been disapproved or quite frankly interchanged for the two disorders.
I am in the process of being diagnosed for bipolar on top of ADHD and was disappointed too because I wanted to learn.
Chin up dear, we'll find our normal😊
I disagree with "difficulty processing information" re: adhd. I was diagnosed adhd a few years ago. It's likely I have a mood disorder too. "Processing information" is far too generic. Adhd has many benefits - hyperfocus being one, which is very useful for creative tasks and academia. My adhd, and whatever extra fun thing my brain has been wired into, has been a factor in achieving a BA in Fine Art, and an MA in art history as well as undertaking numerous creative projects.
At the same time it's been a massive pain in the ass - employment, relationships, etc.
60-70% of peeps have adhd and bipolar. Oh dear. I thought so. And it seems to me that the hypomania episodes in my life are my most creative moments. The depression side of things is truly awful. On good days I can write (approx.) 2000 words of fiction in 20 minutes and on my the dark days I can't even write a sentence. I know this from my very recent experience.
@@andrewreeveart on my dark days I can't even get out of bed. I feel you. My hyperfocus only happens when I'm stressed, or have a deadline. Otherwise, nah.
adhd is all about artistic side of you... nature a art... chef gardening fashion designing interior .. nurse or doctor .. musicican makeup artists all thing art.. postry writning reading art
Adhd severely hurts my ability to process and retain information. Unfortunately I think it’s really quite common. It’s great to hear that you seem to have been able to use your adhd to your advantage though, helping you achieve goals in life!
@@alias201 same there is no in between it’s down to the wire focus session or nothing which has made me a procrastinator to the max but I find a way to get thru it. Not healthy but it does push me in that moment to get shit done when I have to in an unreasonably short period
As a psychology student some of these videos are better than our lectures. Thank you.
So frustrated at my bipolar diagnoses, professionals not listening to me when I say I feel it is adhd. I feel so unheard !
I'm really happy living a normal life, Dr Isibor on youtube is the best thing that happens to me! I suffered bipolar/ADHD for 6 years spent all my money on medications and concluded to try dr isibor natural herbal treatment, body cleanser which lasted for 21 days I'm very ok and feel better now.
I got adhd bro, ik the feeling of people not listening to u, they never understand us properly trust me
Change doctors
Change doctors! My wife is going through the same thing. She even got her adhd diagnosis seperately and her doctor still doesn't acknowdge it. Just as with any profession, there's good doctors who are willing to learn new information and listen to their patients. There are poor doctors who rely on what they learned in 1992, wont accept new info, and don't listen to their patients. We recently decided to find new help for her and have an upcoming appointment with someone who specializes in Neurodivergency. Don't let your mind suffer because of someone's incompetence!
Considering the commonalities and the high percentage of people with both disorders... I'm surprised that its not best practice to assess a patient for both at the same time, by default.
Incorrect! ADHD is not something you grow out of. Read updated information please. & Stop spreading incorrect information. This affects a life time not just childhood!
Yes at least 50% of children continue to have symptoms as adults, and often untreated.
@@nature_photography_yukon it's also known to regress worse in mid life. My mum had combination ADHD. She developed worsening symptoms at age 51. I, myself need an evaluation as I have signs of ADHD but treatment for adults in the UK on the NHS is impossible unless you have a child with it too.
@@MrsXx yes, it is sad that help is hard to come by, more awareness and support is definitely needed!
I was misdiagnosed fist as having ADHD, then having Bipolar Disorder. Turns out I just have seasonal depression, but none of my early therapists asked the right questions nor did they consider situations.
That's often from psychiatrist.
Labels can be stigmatizing
@@revolutionunderground That's just silly.
“~70% of people diagnosed with adhd in childhood grow out of it as adults”.
Completely false. Most don’t grow out of it. Being successfully treated with medication (and therapy, often times) does not count as growing out of it, just as being properly medicated for bipolar doesn’t mean you have been cured.
I wonder if most of the people who supposedly outgrow it were misdiagnosed to begin with? Possibly with ODD, which most people do outgrow, literally. It just goes away, usually during puberty. So few doctors have a good understanding of ADHD, so I can see how it would be misdiagnosed for other things, and vice versa.
One thing ive seen a lot with this "statistic" is the clinical perspective on a diagnosis. To a clinician, a diagnosis is NOT an indicator of your neurotype it is an indicator of recurring dysfunction. So a clinician might say "We see people grow out of this diagnosis" when they are actually referring to an individual who has learned how to successfully manage symptoms to the point of "normal functionality" whatever that means for them. This is extremely confusing to us laymen, because coloquially, a diagnosis is understood to mean HAVING the condition, not how well you function on a given day. However, this is not clinically relevant to doctors (who have to deal with dysfunction not identity)
This is something that’s so hard to figure out because my doctor refuses to try ADHD meds on me. He’s scared that if he’s wrong it’ll send me into a manic episode
I switched doctors for this very reason. For two years refused to question the bipolar label the crisis center labeled me with. Been with the new doc for less than a month. Turns out its really mismanaged ADHD and disthymia so when I'm up it seems more excited and "manic" than it would be if I were not disthymic.
Get a different doctor. This one ISN'T DOING HIS JOB
I don’t always get myself into trouble in hypomania. I just start new businesses and programs 🤣 then I wake up three weeks later like… “what the hell was I thinking?”
This is the most accurate description yet of mania or hypomania yet. As far as adhd (being in addition to bipolar if my diagnosis is correct) it really causes an introverted person like myself some serious confusion. Frequent indecision, personal conflicts in discretion, lack of focus, depression compounded by the lack of ability to manage these items like "normal" people ... its really complicated.
I was worried about having ADHD and Bipolar. After watching this I know bipolar was the right diagnosis and ADHD is not. Thank you!
The doctor said “be careful that stimulant medication could push someone into a manic episode” that seems just really misleading, wrong even. It seems like he regards stimulants as stimulating, not calming, settling, which they are.
I've been diagnosed with both and it took years of trying different medications i finally got the right meds but for bipolar 2 and it makes a world of difference took me 60yrs to finally get it right, antidepressants do not work on bipolar it makes it worse for me anyways
What was the medication you had Catherine?
@@anniealex7965 there's to many to remember but one sticks out greatly is welutral, if im spelling that correctly it's a antidepressant which doesn't work on me makes it worse I now take and have been on for 2yrs is Lamtrigine, for bipolar 2 but everyone's chemistry lab is different, your body, so that just what works for me good luck😊😉🙃
@@catherinepraus8635 Thank you
@@catherinepraus8635 Thank u Catherine🙏
Antidepressants don't work and are often behind public events like shootings :(
I've had ADHD since I was a child and HAVE adult ADHD and honestly if say that ADHD is much more difficult to deal with as an adult.
My daughter was diagnosed with inattentive ADD at 6 and developed depression but now her ex psychiatrist diagnosed her with bipolar disorder when she has none of the symptoms of it and I'm trying to find someone to help me. It's hard because it's my word against a doctors word and it has legal implications too. If it turns out she does have it, I'll accept it but right now there's no bipolar symptoms so I don't accept the diagnosis.
Get a second diagnosis.
Question everything their just practicing medicine you know her best
Any family history of Bipolar or ADHD?
Start from there.
Doctors are allowed to prescribe bipolar meds, but are not allowed to prescribe ADHD meds because they can be sold on the street. Same with low dose opioid. If you have pain-good luck getting pain meds.
Dr. Tracey Marks is another Pysciatrist with a UA-cam channel full of information and resources. Apparently, if a child is diagnosed with depression, typically it develops into bipolar 2 later in life. I am living proof of that as well! After years of being treated for MDD and ADHD, to find out last week that it was bipolar 2 causing all of the cycles of very low depression.
One UA-cam described bipolar 2 as the cheese and meat patty of a cheeseburger while bipolar 1 as the buns. The cycle and intensity of waves are very different and can look different in everyone. My bipolar systems are only present in hypomania and for years they thought it was just major depression. My antidepressants caused hyperarousal after awhile and adhd meds sent me into mania and hyper anxiety.
Good luck and many blessings.
Thank you for this episode, it's given me lots to think about and I really appreciate the depth of you questions that focus on the personal issues like asking your care provider and how to see the differences.
This was a little frustrating to listen to. I know he isn't trying to start any sort of controversy, and I don't want him to feel attacked, so I'd like that to be clear upfront.
That being said,
1) To say that "ADHD is not a mood disorder" is at best misleading. Any disorder that holistically affects function of the prefrontal lobes carries with it an impairment on emotional regulation *which is, in part, why ADHD people are impulsive to begin with*. ADHD is a neurodevelopmental disorder, but is also known to cause mood lability and emotional dysregulation (precisely because of its effect on the prefrontal lobes and dopaminergic pathways).
2) The differences in mood instability between Bipolar and ADHD should still be pretty obvious, even to a layman. Bipolar has it's characteristic phases lasting *at least a week*, whereas ADHD is really more akin to what is colloquially called a "mood swing". A seemingly trivial inconvenience might make them unreasonably mad, and thus ADHD people tend to struggle with anger management. The difference is that mood lability tends to last *moments, not days/weeks*.
3) It is growing increasingly clear that you do not "grow out" of ADHD in the same way that you do not "grow out" of Autism Spectrum Disorders. Instead, you learn to mask.
Sincerely, an autistic person with ADHD.
Yes!! All of this! Thank you!
Thank you for keeping it simple. I had my answer within the first 5 minutes of the video. I appreciate your work. Thank you for being here.
I used to think i have adhd but when i say ro myself that i am calm i am calm and i have longer attention span thank god i found this video clits clear me
I wish Psychiatrists and psychologists and the Medical community would get on the same page and speak the same language. I prefer the term - Neurological Imbalance as opposed to Mood Disorder. This is such a weak derogatory term for a highly complex chain of chemical reactions and neurological processes.
At the end of the day, BPD is biochemistry.
It's one thing to have theories, it's another thing to have scientific data which is obviously lacking in the mental health field.
We should have decades of brain imaging of bpd patients and adhd patients, but we don't. We have a little. We should have concrete pathologies, but we don't. We should have diagnoses based on pathology, blood tests, urine, and imaging, just like you would diagnose a leukemia or other disease or condition.
I was mistakenly diagnosed with ADHD at 12 because I was “hyper” on the go, not sleeping, and really irritable, my mother took me to my doctor and he diagnosed me with ADHD and he prescribed me a stimulant.
That was the worst thing he did, I turned manic, I was violent, thrashing about, attacking people, breaking items and being very angry for no reason and having all this energy.
Before I turned 20 I was diagnosed with bipolar type 1, I never had adhd in the first place and the stimulant triggered a manic episode
I’m sorry
@@JoyFay why are you sorry? You didn’t give the an illness
@@Thatgrungekid that damn doctor probably gave you bipolar for being on adhd meds
Most doctors will not give ADHD medication to adults. My son, husband, and step son have all run into this. Because it can be sold on the street. But they cannot concentrate well enough to manage their lives. Counseling doesn't help enough.
I am a psych tech. Every person with autism that I have every been around also has ADHD. Coincidence?
You cant talk away cancer do think you can talk away adhd like well bipolar no it needs medicin but why people with adhd dont get it is becouse its narcotic classed medication and with bipolar you dont need narcotics only psyfarma there for every paitient with bipolar is medicated
That’s scary, but totally believable. Self medicating with illicit stimulants, like cocaine, is very common among adults with ADHD.
@@lindayanez9519 because the diagnosis criteria for ADHD is not correct, and because schools can diagnose autism, many children with only ADHD end up with an autism diagnosis as well. Also, autism is the only diagnosis in children for which risperdone is FDA approved. Schools(and sadly, many parents) don’t want to put in the effort to help children with ADHD in an appropriate way, and would rather give them antipsychotic meds that will just shut them up. It’s tragic.
@@ericakennett were they diagnosed as children?
I know this video was made many years ago, however I served in the army for over a decade. When I come back from a very difficult tour of Iraq, where I was a A&E medic I started having pretty severe PTSD symptoms. I asked for help and was told to toughen up and made to feel “weak” in comparison to everyone else who was just “getting on with it” less than a year later I found myself pregnant with my son, all I ever wanted to be was a mum so for a short while I felt I’d been given a second chance of happiness and to focus on all the wonderful aspects that motherhood had waiting on me. I didn’t understand it at the time, but all I was doing was suppressing these feelings, almost like constantly cramming things into a cupboard till one day everything comes spilling back out. This happened when I had my son, instantly and I mean instantly It was like this wash of sheer dread overcome me as he was being held up to show me this beautiful dreamed and prayed for baby. No instant rush of love nothing just absolute fear. I ended up with what was also undiagnosed postnatal psychosis. The army however decided because I was talking fast and seemed agitated, and the fact I had said I was scared my son had been sent as a punishment for a mistake I made on tour which I won’t get into but yeah, even then they didn’t think wait a second? Traumatic tour just before pregnancy now this, 2+2=4? Well no the army said it =Bipolar and because I argued and protested this wasn’t right and that I wouldn’t be taking anything they where giving me, they deemed me as paranoid and aggressive and sectioned me. In the psych ward I was basically bullied and worn down till I complied with starting on antidepressants,antipsychotics and a mood stabiliser. All of which were extremely high doses and left me a shadow of the women I was, I can’t even remember that period clearly as I was so medicated and unable to function. Anyway things got worse but somehow I found myself pregnant with my beautiful daughter who was a twin. I wasn’t taken off the sodium valproate which is a huge no in pregnancy especially during the 1st trimester however the army refused the take me off the SV and I miscarried one of my baby girls. During this time I was sectioned for a sectioned time as I refused to take my meds again, screaming and crying, begging someone to listen to me. No one did, in the end they convinced me at the age of 26 to be sterilised as I was told what I had done (coz I got pregnant on my own 💀) was selfish and that I was already unstable and unable to be a good mum to my son and wife to my then husband and how I’d acted recklessly. I was shouted at and told that I was ruining everyone arounds me life by not accepting my illness and that I’d never be a good mum or wife if I didn’t do just that. So in the end again I complied had my daughter and was “ok” ex husband left when she was only 6 weeks old, the army medically discharged me saying I was unfit for military service. My life my career everything was over including as I said my marriage. I eventually got the correct diagnosis of PTSD in 2015 and was slowly and carefully taken off all the meds I’d been given by the army. The two psychiatrists I seen upon my discharge where horrified to put it mildly and since then I’ve been trying to build my life back up. I should add the only reason I got to see these psychiatrists to eventually get my correct diagnosis and help was through having to fight for 16 months to have my children returned to my care after there dad removed them claiming my bipolar made me unable to care for them the way him and his now wife could. That I couldn’t provide a stable home etc etc I was unpredictable you get the idea ? I eventually did win the custody of my children back however as it stands on the 7th of October 2023 im still fighting for justice, even an apology from the MOD and waiting on a request I have made to have the incorrect diagnosis placed on my discharge medical records changed. So far nothing has happened. No apology nothing just a women at 37 desperately trying to understand why. I’ve also been off all medication other than sertraline for my PTSD and anxiety for 9 years episode free
I have a dual diagnosis, and my doctor only prescribes the stimulants when I’m having hypomanic episodes. When the depression is major, he prescribes a stimulant to help combat those symptoms.
This was painful to watch… every single book, every doc who studies and focuses on adhd will tell you people with adhd have mood dysregulation issues… Adhd people have trouble regulating mood… I stopped the video at 5 minutes…
It ain't in the DSM-V definition of ADHD, so adhd does not necessarily entail mood dysregulation.
Same here, this video was very frustrating
I have both ADHD and Bipolar. This area needs to be explained and explored a lot better. My ADHD is inattentive as I am not hyperactive... I grew up a quiet kid that could not pay attention in school. By 17, bipolar struck and I was bouncing off the walls for a couple days and then crying and hiding from the world. I always assumed it was just bipolar...but it wasn't bipolar as a child. My attention is still incredibly difficult now that I'm 47 and I have myself *mostly* under control. After working with ADHD medications, I'm now able to do things I've struggled with my entire life.
I love medcircle and refer a lot of friends to this channel. But you missed the mark BIG TIME saying people outgrow ADHD. My struggles changed but I still struggled. Finally diagnosed with ADHD @ 45 and still in the process of figuring out if I have bipolar.
Thank you for being mental health advocates. I hope you'll edit this video to reflect more accurately on the real life long struggles of ADHD.
I appreciate the distinction between ADHD and Bipolar Disorder as well as addressing the overlaps and validating the struggle of people diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder also struggling with ADHD symptoms that can't take stimulants because it will induce mania. I do think the description of mania/hypomania here is very generalized. High functional people living with Bipolar Disorder can exercise self-care and mindfulness tactics to regulate their moods enough to maintain a the structure of their lives and leverage the periodic "ups" for massive productivity and can most definitely become hyper focussed.
While I was in university after some "issues" I won't go into, it was recommended I talk to the universities counsellor who suggested I have Bipolar disorder and possibly the beginnings of schiziophenia. I have a very strong family history of these conditions so pretty sure she took one look at that and tarred me with the same brush. I wasn't keen on this so I avoided a proper diagnosis for years, since my family members were basically medicated to death. After my best friend got an ADHD diagnosis and I told him bullshit, you don't have ADHD, you're too good in school and just act like me, and he said yep... So I went for a proper diagnosis and yeah, ADHD. I didn't fit the hyperactive shithead child stereyotype of the 90s so it had never occurred to me. Managing my symptoms is a lot easier now and I'm unmedicated most of the time.
Duel Diagnosis. Bipolar & adhd - I think I’m familiar with that. A low dose of stimulant med works for someone who is hypomanic with attention deficit Thank you
Insane how this vid is coming out now cause I'm literally going thru this rn.
Glad this video could help. 💙
@@MedCircle
Possible ADHD and attention issues ,but I do have minor mood swings. Definitely anxiety here and trying to help a friend. We both can be moody. My body doesn't like Xanax ,it makes me sleepy.
I have add and you don't grow out of it. I am also an empath. Its very difficult to live with. I have been on so many different meds. Doctors don't understand at least I haven't found one, that has. I love how they call it mania. I also pick up on vibrations. Which is hard to tune out. I'm tired of being miss labeled. I know Concerta help me concentrate, however it needs to be offset with an anxiety med
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I'd love to see a video about bipolar vs PTSD. I've been diagnosed with CPTSD, Bipolar, and ADHD, and I know there's an overlap between any two of these, and am interested in hearing more. Love these videos!
You do not need mental health providers for mental health issues they treat mental health isuuses wrong with meds and meds are piosion they dont fix anything. All you need is a holistc provider, mental health issues are caused by nutrition deficiencies and also if you have certain tick bite diseases can add to mental health issues. regular drs and providers will never tell you that or know that. Holistic drs do thorough blood testing that regular drs wount do wich includes thorough nutrition blood test and tick bite disese blood tests. Holistic drs know the optimal amount for nutrition levels reg providers wount tell you the correct amount or dont know. Low normal in a nutrition blood test is deficient. Most of the time all mental health issues are caused by nutrition defciencies fix that and your mental health issues will be gone, it you have a tick bite disease it can be cure naturally with nutriion and herbs. Best and fastest way to treat nutrition deficiencies is nutrion ivs and nutrition injections. Most holistic drs do them and medical spas. for examples Being low in b vitamins and d3 causes a ton of mental health issues. Its accully easy to fix mental health issues just have corrcet nutrtion levels in your body, and treat any tick bite diseases if you have any. dont use antibiotics either..
Please explain how you ‘grow out’ of adhd. That’s a falsehood. You just learn to mask and cope!!!!!
I thought I had adhd. My bipolar2 felt exactly like ADHD with depression added onto it. Mood stabilizers (lamictal) solved both issues for me! Gave me better focus on depression and waaaay more mental and physical energy.
I’m 71 bipolar since puberty. I had a horrible life until treatment.
The reason these hosts aren’t getting ADHD right it’s because the DSM is missing the big component and that is emotional dysregulation Once you add that back in you will see why there are many misdiagnosed with just bipolar or bipolar when it’s ADHD.
“60% of people with bipolar” meet the criteria for ADHD - wow. @MedCircle could you please provide a source for that overlap?
What I have learned in this journey is that even the professionals don’t know what they’re doing. There is still a lot of trial and error going on. Hence why called practicing medicine
How about hyperthyroid?
TSH3 1.65 0.45-5.33 (uIU/mL)
F Total T4 14.2 H 6.09-12.23 (ug/dl)
F T-Uptake 51.1 H 32-48.4 (%)
F T7 18.1 H 5.93-13.13 (ug/dl)
Don’t walk a mile in my shoes, walk a lifetime. I don’t think people really know and understand unless they themselves have adhd and clearly experienced all the frustrations and limitations that were adopted into a functional lifestyle over years. or they are trying to find the right meds that help them feel a little more whole. In other words if you don’t have it you don’t truly know it and shouldn’t be able to speak on it. Growing out of it is just plain impossible so with or without meds you still adapt and create your own technique to function with it in your daily life.
Interesting...I think I'm either bipolar, ADHD or both. I can't focus learning at all and was going to ask my Dr. To prescribe me ratilin
Same!
You might be over-pathologising yourself.
I have bipolar and adhd. my manic episodes are speaking loud being horribly horribly anxious, eating alot, looking in the mirror alot 😂. and of course not sleepin AT ALL. i go from being mildly suicidal, thanks to meds only mildly, to becoming happier then ever. All in a matter of minutes.
Id say that adhd is an internalized struggle. whereas Bipolar is severely externalized and often takes other people to tell you that you need help, which is what i went through.
We do NOT grow out of ADHD. Most of us learn to mask it in order to survive: in order to fit into a world which is not designed for our comfort or well being. We learn to ignore our disorder and this is one of the reasons why we so often end up depressed and are so often misdiagnosed bi polar. We are born ADHD and we remain ADHD until the end of our days.
I think a lot of people misunderstood what they ment with the "Grow out of adhd".. i was diagnosted too with adhd as an adult, but if i had have the proper diagnostic as a child, i could have develop strategies to actually grow out of it, you know? that's the issue, when your parents or tutors ignore the obvious and don't take u to proffesionals happens that you grow up and the symphtoms get worse until you get the proper treatment, and being and adult with adhd is permanent, you cannot get rid of it. Childhood its the best moment for diagnostic and treatment, thats how you grow out of..
ADHD has nothing to do with your mental health, it's your cognition and its something you're born with. Similar to Autism or Dyslexia you don't 'grow out' of it.
Lol that’s crazy that you can say adhd doesn’t effect mental health
Can we do a video of people who overlap the two disorders ? 🥺
I had adhd issues, and then after engineering school I learned how to use it and most of the negative effects left for me, so I do think you can overcome it if you happen to grow your mind certain ways, while maybe not losing it overall. However, after my head trauma it's like it's back with a vengeance. How much is the tbi vs adhd idk.
What about co-morbidity? I was late to diagnosis bipolar 2 co morbid adult adhd and lost my family & I've been homeless for 3 years. So, I got that going for me.
Hi. I'm so sorry to hear this. I wish you so much success, love, joy, safety and peace. You are wonderful and so worthy.
I have ADHD and bipolar type two also ! Thanks for the video!
What kind of doctor can’t very easily tell the difference between ADHD and bipolar disorder? What schools are these doctors attending?
I found a way to get both to balance each other out as I have been diagnosed with both since I was 11 years old, I'm 30 now...
It's funny what you said at 0:12. This actually is my first time watching this channel. Lol
Honestly the minute they said that it's common knowledge that people grow out of ADHD in adulthood, they lost me and I got kind of ticked off. That is absolutely not true. You really do humanity a disservice when you say stuff like that guys.
what do i do if ive known and researched that i have ADHD and autism it even runs in my family but she refused and diagnosed me with BPD when i just met her and i know the stigma of misdiagnosing females with BPD when it always ends up being ADHD and ASD
That’s actually backwards. BPD is the stigmatized diagnosis. While nobody can be diagnosed with anything immediately(well, actually, people with BPD usually can, very quickly), adult diagnoses of ASD and/or ADHD should always be looked at skeptically. I have one kid with only ADHD and one with only ASD(aspergers). For my ADHD kid, symptoms were very bad by age 5-6. Aspergers has never been a huge issue, but we could still see it by about 8-9(and she’s female, so she probably hides it better than boys).
How does ADHD and Bipolar affect each other in one person. I’m sure I possibly have both. And I’m on mood stabilisers at the moment.
if psychiatrist claim most adults grow out of ADHD, then they are not doing their job very well, and also proves there are major flaws in the DSM manual in diagnostic criteria, and this can be said for most of the conditions in the DSM.
I appreciate so much this wonderful Dr Dom 🙂🌻 giving us this timely information 💕 sometimes I think its also anger 🤬 control and aggressive mannerisms that are horrible and narcissistic in mannerism
I feel so offended by this expert. You don't grow out of ADHD you learn more masking and coping mechanisms. My ADHD was ignored by everyone until I was diagnosed at 30. This is such a disappointing video compared to what it could have been. Dr. Dominic Scortelli needs to update his knowledge and research because this is why so many adults SUFFER in f*ing silence during adulthood.
I have been diagnosed with Bipolar 1 after a psychotic episode, and I also highly suspect I have ADHD; hoping to save up to see about an evaluation/assessment soon. o vo!!!
I like to see a video with somone talking about ADHD as it is not as You think it is. Everyone, Dr.s can so much about every disorder but are so lost when it comes to this Why?
Is there a mild bipolar? I was recently diagnosed with BIPOLAR but I am not convinced. I am suspecting that I may have Aadult ADHD.
It’s called borderline personality disorder. There is no adult onset ADHD, and it’s also very rare in females. The symptoms of BPD are remarkably similar to those of ADHD. Neither are very similar to bipolar, but I can understand why someone would jump to that conclusion. My family is full of people with ADHD, ASD, OCD, and bipolar disorder. Nobody in my family has overlapping diagnoses, so it’s very easy for me to see the differences. Nobody in my family has BPD(that I know of), because of stigma, doctors don’t like to diagnose it, and will look for other “born this way” diagnoses.
@@katieandnick4113 how are you speaking on something you don't have. Adhd starts in childhood and stays for life. Border line personality is nothing like adhd
@@katieandnick4113that's an interesting take. I would like to say that women "mask" symptoms a lot better than men due to societal expectations. I also would like to say that hyper active adhd is different to inattentive adhd.
This misinformation about growing out of ADHD is plain wrong. It’s a neurodevelopmental disorder that affects the frontal lobe which affects self-regulation and executive disfunction. Studies show, on average, there is a roughly 30% percent delay in growth and development. This continues well into adulthood
There is a new studie from Umeå university that points that stimulents for individuals with bipolar decrease suicide risk and such, at least it seems to be better that you are on ADHD medication than no medication at all.
Interesting
You cannot give stimulants to a bipolar patient(bipolar 1 anyway). Too much risk of mania/psychosis. Many bipolar patients can’t even take anti depressants for that reason.
@@katieandnick4113 I'm on stimulants and antidepressants. But I'm also on antipsychotics to regulate the bipolar disorder. Everything together improves my quality of life.
Really like this information.
adhd persists into adulthood in about 50-86% of the cases, symptoms usually change a little but the adhd stays.
get yo facts right...
I’ve been in a psychosis because of a stimulant for years now. Will it ever go away?
Along with the other comments, this video is quite insulting to those who are neurodiverse whether that be adhd or bipolar or both. ADHD also has a genetic component, which I understand bipolar genetic component is greater, this video makes it seem as though adhd isn’t.
"I know this is not the first time you're watching our videos on youtube"
Me: Very first episode I've seen, never heard of the channel before.
You know, youtube is a strange place. How about you don't assume anything about your viewers?
Same.
Well the assumption worked for the most of us viewers of this channel 😉 Why not try just letting some things go ❤️
@@yanan4249 the exception proves the rule.
Also, take your own advice.
who actually cares?
Fricken yawn fest, though my ADHD plays a part.
I would have shown a chart one side for ADHD and the other side Bipolar, the top showing the similarities of both and the bottom the differences between them.
Thank you
Good information
People with add/adhd don't generally grow out of it. I struggle daily. I'm 58.
I know a guy that has at least FOUR favorite NHL teams, and that extends to six or seven in the playoffs, lol. He's constantly flipping channels and his favorite team changes from day to day ( as a Leafs fan, his 'Go Oilers', 'Go Rangers', Go Flyers' etc... texts drive me nuts, lol ). I know he has severe mood swings and abnormal sleep patterns, staying up almost until morning sometimes, and is most likely bipolar. But I wonder if this four favorite NHL teams and constant channel flipping thing is related to his bipolar disorder, or does he have ADHD and bipolar disorder?
So much of this information is just so frustratingly wrong! Like I was diagnosed with adhd much older and so is like every woman I know. I am in a community of people who all had later in life diagnoses. A lot of people, especially women statistically are very good at masking. Also a lot of people with adhd are highly intelligent so it goes unnoticed when they are young. My sister was a "gifted" child. Tested at 145 IQ at like 7. She had a nervous breakdown on college and we found out she had inattentive adhd. Also I don't believe people "grow out of it" they learn to manage it.
“Masking” really only applies to aspergers in females. ADHD does seem to be a spectrum disorder, but there will always be emotional regulation problems, usually when they start school. No child can go through their entire k-12 career, and not show significant symptoms. IQ does not matter, in regards to emotional regulation. If a female in college suddenly starts showing symptoms that look like ADHD, while never having significant issues before, a much more likely diagnosis is borderline personality disorder.
@@katieandnick4113 you're a psychiatrist?
It's a dopamine imbalance. That's why Bupropion works for mild ADD. It's an NDRI (norepinephrine & dopamine reuptake inhibitor) & for those people, SSRI (selective serotonin) meds are completely wrong. I would know. Every SSRI I have ever been given has only made my problems worse. They made me more depressed. Attention and focus exist with sufficient dopamine levels & are not affected by serotonin.
Dopamine controls coordination, attention span, as well as trigger feelings of reward, or satisfaction. Serotonin helps with moods, diet, and sleep regulation. Dopamine is a natural stimulant, therefore NDRIs tend to make anxiety worse. SSRIs are used to treat anxiety & tend to make people tired. NDRIs trigger mania in people with bipolar disorder (type 1) & SSRIs are used to treat bipolar depression.
Most doctors try Wellbutrin & Strattera before turning to amphetamines. They rarely prescribe NDRIs if someone is also taking amphetamines, they will switch to an SSRI if the patient needs stimulants. If a patient has anxiety, NDRIs will induce panic attacks. Also, amphetamines affect the same parts of the brain as NDRIs, because they regulate dopamine function; so there's that to consider.
Those are wildly different afflictions, side effects, and treatments. I cannot tolerate any SSRI, and Wellbutrin is the only antidepressant I am able to take. It didn't do anything for my focus, so I also have Adderall prescribed, and absolutely NO overstimulation or anxiety issues. My dopamine levels have always been irregular and I never felt normal, for 36 years! I'm 38 and finally feel like a person. I also don't believe everything I'm told, regardless of who's saying it, and I find hard science to be much more reliable than a hypothesis, especially if I am putting chemicals in my body that change my brain function.
Everyone's experience is unique to them. Most people would probably go manic on 2 meds with stimulating effects, but I still get 8 hours of sleep. I'm never hyper and if I am too tired, my meds don't work at all. Those are all clear signs that I am on the RIGHT meds. I had to fight to feel normal and I had to beg to be taken off mood stabilizers, which ruined my life for over 10 years. Fake illness? Must be nice to have a functional brain without chemical assistance. You should just consider yourself blessed! Nobody wants to be dysfunctional. Nobody who has ADHD asked for it.
I believed it was a made up affliction and an excuse for hyperactivity in boys. Children are not meant to focus for 8 hours, without any sort of release. Most boys just need to be allowed to go outside and play rough. That has been proven. That doesn't mean ALL boys with ADHD are misdiagnosed, nor does it mean that it's less severe in girls; it manifests differently. Our report cards usually had "does not participate in class.. Does not turn in homework.. Daydreams and doodles in class" written on them, year after year after year... Not living up to potential. Brilliant mind, but poor test scores. That's inattentive ADHD. We excel when we are challenged. We are bored when we already know how to do something. We are hyper-focused when we're doing something we enjoy.. That's why nobody catches it until it's too late. These are all facts. Well known facts.
oh yes, my boyfriends little girl has been diagnosed with both ADHD and BIPOLAR, she also has Polymicrogiria. Dr.Sportelli do you have any helpful information on Polymicrogiria?
Thank you so much🙏
as someone diagnosed with both, i disagree that bipolar doesn’t show itself in young kids often. i think it’s more so ignored as a “temperamental growing up thing” (think puberty) rather than a serious mental disorder. ive been struggling OUTWARDLY since i turned 11 and was ignored until i was strong enough to go to a doctor at 20. this video bothered me so much i had to stop watching. i’d rather listen to diagnosed bipolar individuals speaking from experience than whatever this is 😭😭😭😭 maybe have a three-way talk w someone diagnosed. the “growing out of adhd” talk was also extremely cringey and misleading
I have adhd and schizophrenia I was diagnosed when I was little
So good to hear thank you,
If you have a brain scan and find the type of brain you have it’s easier to identify
I learned all this the hard way being put on all the wrong medications 😢
Yuh, i got adhd bro, growing up i use to think it was my curse but as i got older, i looked at it as god’s gift to me, even tho i cant focus on jus one topic, i can think bout 30 more, it causes me to plan ahead too. Ngl i think i also have bipolar disorder bc i have depressive stages and it starts to feel like a voice in my head. Its weird, wit the adhd i have to walk around because these depressive stages keep me trapped in my head which i needa walk around to get my thoughts jogging, if i dont i get really irritated and almost sad asf sometimes, I’m not diagnosed wit bipolar disorder but i was diagnosed wit adhd since i was like 5 or 6, now im 16 bouta be 17
Why would anyone give this a thumbs down? At the very least make your case for an intelligent argument. Cowards