As someone new to this industry, this has been by far the most helpful resource I've been able to find. Wanted to say thank you for taking the time to do these videos.
Thanks for coming back to this series it's a big help with my education towards fire system programming and installation, can't wait for your next video to continue in this valuable series
Very nice explanation, Joe! Glad you're back making videos. I was wondering how the power was supervised going to the module, thanks for the explanation.
You could also use the power supervision relay with the EOL resistor on the NAC circuit to avoid using an additional module. However that is only beneficial of your EOL device is close to your power source as running the source power all the way to the EOL device is impractical at long distancea.
It's very awesome I'm learn some experience from you but I'm stuck and I need help please how to wire a sounder wire and smoke detector to the control panel
Hello. Is there any code regarding to location this control module has to be located? Any distance from the Panel? Or any distance from the notification appliance used?
Thanks Joe for these amazing videos. I just have a question on this particular video, since we have four strobes connected to terminals 6 & 7, how can we address them to communicate with the addressable panel since we have two dials only on the FCM?
With your current setup, the AVs won't sync per ADA standard. But if you use the Control Module to trip a BPS with sync capability and land the AVs on the BPS NACs. Only time you should use a Module to fire an AV directly is if your doing an outdoor AV for ring by tenant.
Peter Jozefowicz that depends on what's powering your control module. If the power feeding the control module is already synchronized, the sync will pass through the control module.
Joe Klochan the only 24v power source that you should be using are either the 24v R/NR contacts off the the FACP or the AUX on a BPS so it's a supervised source. What exactly are you using for 24v power?
Peter Jozefowicz that depends on the setup. There are situations where FCPS panels are setup to be always on (aux power jumpered to input 1) and then the outputs feed control modules. That's typical in strip mall applications. In that case, the FCPS is the master sync. What are you going off when you say the ONLY power I should use is off the panel?
Does the auxiliary power need to be resettable even though it’s on standby? And if so how can you make it resettable, because it appears that it cannot be resettable with just the power supervision relay?
I haven't watched this video in a long time, so I don't remember exactly what I got into, but power feeding control modules shouldn't need to be resettable. If it was a zone monitor module (the type that requires external power to feed conventional smokes), that would require resettable power, which can be achieved by installing an addressable relay and programming it for resettable power, depending on the panel.
May I ask a question about the wiring of speaker strobe connected to the FCM-1 module. Do we need to run 24volt DC from fire alarm panel to the FCM-1 module? I understand there is an amplified signal already connected to the module.
No, there wouldn't be 24 volts going to that module, only SLC, the audio signal from the amplifier, and then the output to the speakers. Those are the only circuits connected to the module.
Perhaps eventually, though I've fallen out of the phase of wanting to make more currently. When I get back in that phase, I already have a project that I started in mind.
Good question. If it's an FCM, and so it's on a notifier panel, then most likely yes you'll get a trouble. But it depends on how that FCM is programmed and what it's doing. If its power source is 24 volts and it's triggering strobes or a NAC panel, then it should give you a power loss trouble. It's been a number of years since I've worked for a notifier distributor, so I'm a little out of practice. I don't remember all the different type codes. If it's tripping speakers, the FCM won't give you a trouble because you don't have 24 volts present on those terminals, rather it's a signal from the amplifier.
Typically it's a data signal called EIA-485. Some panels require 2 data wires, some require 4 because they require a return. All will also require 2 24 volt power cables as well.
@@JoeKlochan thank you so much Joe for taking the time to reply. And thanks for the videos they have been very informative. I knew what they were supposed to operate in theory but never how they really worked to this extent. You delved deeper into how they operate the animations really helped bring them together.
Not sure I totally understand the question. I haven't watched this video in a long time so I don't remember exactly what I covered in it, but the short answer is it would start at the SLC. That circuit would allow the module to communicate with the panel, then it would need some sort of power source, either 24 volts for horn strobes, or an amplifier circuit if it's for speakers. If you mean what address would it start at, on most panels that wouldn't matter, you could use any open address.
How Sir l would like to learn more about fire alarm lm from South Africa...how do l get full videos of installation and wiring whole fire panel /manual call point and smoke detectors
la energía la puedes obtener de una fuente externa, si es mucha la distancia; si es menor a 50 o 60 mts del panel al dispositivo, la puedes obtener del mismo panel, solo valida si el panel cuenta con esa salida de fuente a 24v, saludos desde cdmx @ventassiensenet2695 ua-cam.com/video/FPKStQyk8Ps/v-deo.html
I've never seen it not work. All the control module does is pass the input source to the output terminals when it's prompted. It doesn't interfere with sync at all. I just finished a job this week where we did this again, no sync issues. What kind of equipment are you working on?
@@JoeKlochan fire lite, the new nac booster is altronix. Were getting 24v from the booster and tying in to control module it has slc. Yeah, if you can tell me how to synch'em I'll take the help.
As someone new to this industry, this has been by far the most helpful resource I've been able to find. Wanted to say thank you for taking the time to do these videos.
Thanks for coming back to this series it's a big help with my education towards fire system programming and installation, can't wait for your next video to continue in this valuable series
I've gone back to watch this video several times to remember how this all works. Very well done video and i hope you come back soon!
Dude, my company is using your videos for our fire alarm learning modules lol
OMG your videos are so helpful and educational. i didn't know how addressable systems work until i watched your videos.
Sir, you just same my life, now, i have to watch every single of your videos. Thank you very much
New to FA your videos are very helpful thank you for continuing to share your knowledge.
Thanks for coming back!
I love your video joe keep them up
Very nice explanation, Joe! Glad you're back making videos. I was wondering how the power was supervised going to the module, thanks for the explanation.
The newer notifier modules have a built in power supervision and if disconnected they automatically tell the panel "module _ loss of power " etc.
hats off for this man
Thank you so much for your information
Thanks for explaining this.
Thanks for the great information. Please make a video with a FRM- 1 .
You could also use the power supervision relay with the EOL resistor on the NAC circuit to avoid using an additional module. However that is only beneficial of your EOL device is close to your power source as running the source power all the way to the EOL device is impractical at long distancea.
It's very awesome I'm learn some experience from you but I'm stuck and I need help please how to wire a sounder wire and smoke detector to the control panel
can you supply 12v to the control module for external power
Can a addressable zone connected to module ?
Hello. Is there any code regarding to location this control module has to be located? Any distance from the Panel? Or any distance from the notification appliance used?
Thanks Joe for these amazing videos. I just have a question on this particular video, since we have four strobes connected to terminals 6 & 7, how can we address them to communicate with the addressable panel since we have two dials only on the FCM?
This set up gives me anxiety lol and makes me happy I work for simplex.
Oh wow cool you work at simplex?
Would you need a EOL at speaker and strobe?
Hey Joe, where can I get my hands on the software you are using in your videos?
It's just microsoft paint and then screen capture software called Snagit
are you still doing more videos?
Thank you
With your current setup, the AVs won't sync per ADA standard. But if you use the Control Module to trip a BPS with sync capability and land the AVs on the BPS NACs. Only time you should use a Module to fire an AV directly is if your doing an outdoor AV for ring by tenant.
Peter Jozefowicz that depends on what's powering your control module. If the power feeding the control module is already synchronized, the sync will pass through the control module.
Joe Klochan the only 24v power source that you should be using are either the 24v R/NR contacts off the the FACP or the AUX on a BPS so it's a supervised source. What exactly are you using for 24v power?
Peter Jozefowicz that depends on the setup. There are situations where FCPS panels are setup to be always on (aux power jumpered to input 1) and then the outputs feed control modules. That's typical in strip mall applications. In that case, the FCPS is the master sync. What are you going off when you say the ONLY power I should use is off the panel?
Does the auxiliary power need to be resettable even though it’s on standby? And if so how can you make it resettable, because it appears that it cannot be resettable with just the power supervision relay?
I haven't watched this video in a long time, so I don't remember exactly what I got into, but power feeding control modules shouldn't need to be resettable. If it was a zone monitor module (the type that requires external power to feed conventional smokes), that would require resettable power, which can be achieved by installing an addressable relay and programming it for resettable power, depending on the panel.
May I ask a question about the wiring of speaker strobe connected to the FCM-1 module. Do we need to run 24volt DC from fire alarm panel to the FCM-1 module? I understand there is an amplified signal already connected to the module.
No, there wouldn't be 24 volts going to that module, only SLC, the audio signal from the amplifier, and then the output to the speakers. Those are the only circuits connected to the module.
Thank you very much, from the Philippines.
Can you use class a on a control module?
Buenas tardes, saludos por favor algún link para ver el video en español, gracias.
Any chance you can make more videos like this with different devices
Perhaps eventually, though I've fallen out of the phase of wanting to make more currently. When I get back in that phase, I already have a project that I started in mind.
Or if there’s any ways we can get in contact
Do those horn strobes have to be wired in series?
Horn strobes are wired in parallel.
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Please do some more videos
Need know if power cut in fcm
Will give signal to panel its faulty
Good question. If it's an FCM, and so it's on a notifier panel, then most likely yes you'll get a trouble. But it depends on how that FCM is programmed and what it's doing. If its power source is 24 volts and it's triggering strobes or a NAC panel, then it should give you a power loss trouble. It's been a number of years since I've worked for a notifier distributor, so I'm a little out of practice. I don't remember all the different type codes. If it's tripping speakers, the FCM won't give you a trouble because you don't have 24 volts present on those terminals, rather it's a signal from the amplifier.
How to. Replace OLD FCM WITH NEW ONE
Will you be kind enough to share some knowledge on how annunciators work and tie in to an FACP?
Typically it's a data signal called EIA-485. Some panels require 2 data wires, some require 4 because they require a return. All will also require 2 24 volt power cables as well.
@@JoeKlochan thank you so much Joe for taking the time to reply. And thanks for the videos they have been very informative. I knew what they were supposed to operate in theory but never how they really worked to this extent. You delved deeper into how they operate the animations really helped bring them together.
What point on the panel would these start on?
Not sure I totally understand the question. I haven't watched this video in a long time so I don't remember exactly what I covered in it, but the short answer is it would start at the SLC. That circuit would allow the module to communicate with the panel, then it would need some sort of power source, either 24 volts for horn strobes, or an amplifier circuit if it's for speakers. If you mean what address would it start at, on most panels that wouldn't matter, you could use any open address.
Why we need a module?
How Sir l would like to learn more about fire alarm lm from South Africa...how do l get full videos of installation and wiring whole fire panel /manual call point and smoke detectors
I'm not sure anyone has made any
hola me puede explicar donde saca la alimentación para el modulo fcm 1, de la salida de los sensore o de la sirena en eso me pueden ayudar
la energía la puedes obtener de una fuente externa, si es mucha la distancia; si es menor a 50 o 60 mts del panel al dispositivo, la puedes obtener del mismo panel, solo valida si el panel cuenta con esa salida de fuente a 24v, saludos desde cdmx @ventassiensenet2695 ua-cam.com/video/FPKStQyk8Ps/v-deo.html
Please, advice:(
Good morning sir
I've never seen them be able to sync with control module. Project managers, service guys, head of fire alarm calling tech support, never seen it.
I've never seen it not work. All the control module does is pass the input source to the output terminals when it's prompted. It doesn't interfere with sync at all. I just finished a job this week where we did this again, no sync issues. What kind of equipment are you working on?
@@JoeKlochan fire lite, the new nac booster is altronix. Were getting 24v from the booster and tying in to control module it has slc. Yeah, if you can tell me how to synch'em I'll take the help.
Please hindi me sir
Sir Hindi me to
I'm sorry, I've seen a few comments like this and I have no idea what that means. Can you help me understand?
@@JoeKlochan he's asking you to explain in Hindi which is the national language of India