2019 Yamaha Grizzly 700 Drop the 708 to 686? What about 850?
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- Опубліковано 14 гру 2018
- The Grizzly is always going to be one of my favorite ATVs, but why did Yamaha switch back to the 686? What happened to the 850? Oh well, still one of the best ATVs of all time... But the competition is getting stiffer...
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I have a 2016 kodiak 700 with the Subaru 708cc, and after the first oil change at 20hrs, it started smoking on cold start ups like many others have. So I took it in under warranty to get it fixed, and they ended up replacing the cylinder head with a new one thinking it was bad valve guides or seals, but the smoking was just as bad after I got it back. So I took it back telling them it was just as bad as before, and that it must be the rings, piston, or a cylinder issue, so they ended up doing a cylinder leak down test at TDC, mid way, and at the bottom stroke, and found it was way below specs from about the center to the bottom stroke. So they then replaced the piston, rings, and cylinder, which finally fixed the problem. The cylinder had just enough taper to cause the rings to not sweep the oil back down the cylinder, and allowed oil to get past the rings and into the combustion chamber when cold, but once the piston heated up and expanded after about a minute of run time, it was fine. So that's for sure the issue I was having with mine. Maybe this info will help others with the same problem.
Thanks brother! I'm sure that'll help some folks out..
@@DirtObseXXion Thanks brother, and no problem!!
If Yamaha builds a 1000cc and 850cc twin grizzly they would be the #1 selling ATV.
Nah, the biggens don't sell that well. The 500-570 class is top selling. The Grizzly is top selling in it's class of 650-750cc.. They'd have to build it from the ground up, current Grizz isn't big enough to support a twin..
how about a 2-up version ?
I would buy a 850 grizzly or 1000 tomorrow if they were available
Awesome to hear youve actually made the rounds with all the machines. Some people scream about brand loyalty and actually have no way of backing up what their screaming about or know what they do and don’t like about their machines.
I want every machine I see! I really have no brand loyalty... Just preference and budgetary restraints HAHA!
I am torn between the Grizzly 700 and the Suzuki King quad. Was going to grab this summer, but life got in the way again and will have to wait another year or two. Its been over a decade since owning an ATV and starting to really feel the itch to get out and explore again. Great video!
Both good options... I'm partial to the grizzly over the king quad but Suzuki really improve the king quad in 2019... I'd say give the Sportsman 850 a good look too.. you can probably get it cheaper than both of those and I love my XP1000.. Some guys just don't like Polaris, but I think they are a great trail riding machine... I hope you're able to get something, any four wheelers better than no four wheeler! Thanks for the comment!
Great video I to am a owner of a 708cc Grizzly. So far no issues works awesome and enough power to get me in and out of trouble.I guess will never really no why they made the change.
Awesome! I agree, the Grizzly has plenty of power... Its definitely in a sweet spot of power/weight... I loved mine! Thanks for the comment! Merry Christmas!
Everything you said was true, nice video man - Grizzly rider here, love my 2017 708, no issues as of yet, but its always in the back of my mind and I'd sure like to have that 850 Twin.
Brother I know you're a Grizzly rider!!! I've been a big fan of yours for years!!! Thanks for checking us out!!!
I remember you had that red Grizz for a long time too, the 686 was/is definitely bulletproof..
@@DirtObseXXion Hey thats awesome man ! thanks so much !! Yes I sold the Red one to a buddy, she's still running. I'm going to check out your channel, I always like honest people.
@@Maritimer Thanks brother, I hope you enjoy it..
Amen to the closing statement, I've had Yamahas all my life but if they won't give me what I want I'll go somewhere that will and right about now that Polaris 1000 High Lifter is looking mighty fine. I was looking at the 850 but it doesn't come with power steering and it's the same size as the 1000, dunno wtf they were thinking there...
Thanks brother, the Highlifter is a beast!!!
Nice video! I have always loved the yamaha grizzly, but after so many years of them never upping the engine, I went ahead and jumped on the ban wagon and got a can am renegade xmr 1000r. I absolutely loved the on demand front locking diffirential system of the grizzly and was knowing that I would have to put a torque lok in the can am, and that is coming soon. I always thought it was hard to beat the power of the grizzly, boy was I wrong, it is no where in the ballpark of the Rotax engine in the renagade xmr. I now have 29.5 outlaw 2s and you really have to be careful when someone gets within 50 feet behind you even at 30 mph it will shoot a rooster tail! Grizzly might at well go 1000cc. Hopefully they will listen. 👍👌👊
Thanks Mark!!! I'm a big fan too, but like you I jumped ship to the Sportsman 1k. The Grizz was a great ride.. But you just want to graduate eventually...
Well I was a Honda rider then went to a 660 Rhino eventually putting a Grizzly CDI in it to up its power then a 6" lift and 29.5 OutLaws and ran it from 06 - 2012 when the transmission case broke and now I'm running a CanAm Commander which within about 8 months I put a 4"lift and a 2" pucks on it and now just put 32" Black Mambas on it waiting to try it out
Dirt ObseXXion same boat. Waited forever. Jumped ship to the 850sp sportsman and I’m happy for now. It’s 2016 atv and so far no issues. I do keep up with maintainence though. Great video 👍
@@longboardguy That 850SP is the best buy in big bore ATVs in my opinion.. Glad to hear its working out for you! Thanks for the comment!
I have a black 2019 Grizzly SE with the 686 and LOVE IT! Yeah it only has 45 miles on it so far but it is a beast. The 708 was in the Grizz and Wolverine. Once Yamaha went the 847 twin in the Wolverine the only thing the 708 would be in is the Grizzly. Yamaha just decided to stay in house with the 686 and use the same block for the Raptor and Grizzly. I think the 708 had early valve guide seal issues but otherwise was a good motor. The 686 is bulletproof and in house. The 708 wasnt a huge improvement over the 686 anyway.
Agreed! Thanks for checking the video out!
Yamaha bought Subaru small power sports hence the 708
There is a shaft that has the oil pump and water pump on it .
The nut that holds both of those loosens itself off and falls off the shaft.
No fix or ownership from Yamaha
I've owned a 2017 grizzly and it backfired alot and was a hard starter getting rid of the 708 was a good business move by Yamaha.
The companies are experimenting with our hard earned bucks
I'm on my 16th quad and that's expensive schooling
Drag race the 708 vs 686 please, which is faster?
Excellent video
I love my yamaha! Great atv super tough and reliable. Once they come out with an 850 or 1000 I’m buying brand new!!
I wish they would too!
I have a 2016 Grizz with the 708. Coming from a Kawi Brute Force 750 V-Twin is seems to lack bottom end. The Grizz is built well and other than a little less power I have not had any issues with the motor. Does take 2 cranks to fire up on a cold start but no smoke at all.
There was a recall on the starter spring that year.. That and the 4wd servo.. Did you get those replaced?
Dirt ObseXXion Yeah I did get the 4x4 switch.... went to the dealer and they gave me the part and I put it on myself... brought back the old one ... easier than dragging the bike up there for a 15 min job. May get the shim and spring for some more bottom end. Other than that no complaints...
Awesome.. Thanks for checking the video out!
Great info man!! Very informative video
Thanks! The Grizzly is my fave Japanese ATV... But there's really no lookin back after having the Sportsman..
@@DirtObseXXion yea man grizzly 660 back in the day use to be the baddest thing out there.
@@DirtObseXXion I dont understand their pricing tho.. we looked into the grizzly before we purchased all of our sportsmans but could not pay that much more for less horse power and suspension travel
@@LCPowersports Yeah, I get that.. I paid 7700 for my '16 Grizz.. But if I looked harder I probably could've got an 850 Sporty for about that.. The Yamaha's CVT is THE best hands down.. 10 year belt warranty means they know it too... But the XP1000 has arched a-arms, twice the horses, better stock tires, better stock wheels, better racks, better plastics, better disc brakes, drive modes, and comes with a much better set up for aftermarket accessories like winch and brush guards... Now that I've had it for a bit I really like the AWD too... It's a much better set up for driving around in.. Just lose out on the diff lock..
Agreed! It will be nice to see Honda and Yamaha put their twin engines in a quad
Just wondering if I could find a 686 engine will it just drop right into my 2017? Or do I have to change computer and harness?
That's a great question.. Im not sure honestly, but if u wanted to find out I'd call EHS Racing.. They do a lot with Grizzlies, I guarantee they'd know..
Do you have anymore videos of your Grizzly? Showing any possible upgrades? Tires? Winch? Or did you keep it stock until you got the 1000
Not really.. It was pretty much stock until I traded it in. I wasn't happy with that Subaru 708 motor in it.. The 686 is a much better.. I was following a dude with the same Grizz I had back then who modded the crap out of it I think it was @POLHAMMER @Maritimer is a good one too, he has the 17 model and my buddy @KC_ATV has an older Grizz and '16 Kodiak 700.. We are Yamaha fans tho! We just got a new Raptor 700 and that thing has been a blast!
Dirt ObseXXion Thanks man...... I have the 2019 kodiak with the 686 and recently put 27 inch Zillas on it. So far I love it with no complaints. As long as it’s not high centered or rutted out I can go wherever the XMRs and other with big tires go!
The side by side market is more attractive to all companies than all other segments. For the price of a really nice used truck you get a non road legal screamer that attempts to disassemble itself everytime its driven!
LMAO! Truth!... But hell, I paid less for a new RAM 1500 in 2015 than some of em cost these days... Oh well, who can say no to 18% percentage interest and 8yrs of financing?
@@DirtObseXXion
18% financing??!! That's credit card territory. My sister in law has been driving hers since 96. It still runs and drives well.
HAHAHA!!! Yeah, I was being a little facetious.... In all seriousness though.. Some guys are going broke over these things. Thanks for checking the channel out!!! I love the pic and name!!!
The 2019 786 is a beefed up version and same hp as the 708. Also features a gear reduction as well.
Yeah, the SE has the gear reduction.. The 686 is a great motor, its the same one in the Raptor 700.. I'd feel better about buying the '19 Grizz than I did the '16..
Sorry it is 686 not 786 and the 2019 686 is 100% the same as a 2015 686 part for part.I look in to this so I know for sure. 2019 or 2015 686 is 45HP , 708 is 48HP
@@crazyflyboy30 He knows its 686... Just a typo.. Its re-tuned and refined version of the same 686.. Its a great motor..
In what years do they have the 708 on grizzly?can i check on the engine before buying what nr it is?
16, 17, and 18 but I hear the 16s were the only ones that had issues.. The 686 is an awesome engine though, so I'd want a 19 or newer
5000km on my 708, no issues, runs like the day i bought it.
IMO yamaha has the best selling, and most reliable utility atv for years with the grizzly, and they are holding place 1,2,3 in the paris-dakar rally for atv's in 2020 with the raptor 700.. I dont think polaris and can am can even keep up with those. I dont know how many raptors yamaha is selling but in europe they are the most common quad you will see. They are doing something very well , maybe they just decided, lets focus on what we are good at.. it makes so much more sense then any other theory..
I just bought a Raptor 700 2 weeks ago!!! I love Yamaha but 2016 wasn't a good year for the Grizzly.. The new ones with the same motor as the Raptor are going to be much more reliable..
Had a 17 grizzly. Litterly had to rebuild it due to extreme oil burning.. with around 700 miles..wish it had the 686.. but it doesn't matter now, sold it now I own a 850 outlander. Best decision iv made..but ill say the grizzly had a better more comfortable ride..
Wrong worst decision you made need to sell that can am get a new 686 grizzly asap
Hard to justify a new 2019 grizz with a single thumper especially in muddy regions when the 850 canam xmr is fully factory mud ready for a little over a $1000 more.... With a 100cc bigger vtwin engine....
I'd go XMR all day long in a muddy region too...
I love the Yamaha reliability. I've had a Grizzly 700 and loved it but I sold it and bought a Polaris 1000 Sportsman. I love the power. Now I've sold it and am looking for another toy. I really think Yamaha is behind the times. They need a 1000cc engine in both the Grizzly and the Wolverine not to mention the poor forgotten Viking stepchild.
Damn dude! Twinsies! Hahaha! I still have the Sportsman 1000 but I just recently got a Raptor 700 too... Honestly have had more fun getting back on a sport quad than I have in a long time!
@@DirtObseXXion I sure like you channel. I was waiting to see the new 55" Sportsman. I would love to push it around a bit and see how much different it handles. Mine was a 2016 so I didn't have the arched A-arms. Isn't Yamaha having a love-in in June?
@@Twistedoff2 I have a Scrambler S in the garage but it's for an ATVonDemand project that we're doing soon.. I started working for them last summer.. Yamaha Love in?? Ya got me!?!
Dirt ObseXXion The Yamaha sponsored event showcasing new products and product rides for dealers.
@@Twistedoff2 That's good news! I'm surprised I hadn't heard yet.. I'm usually on it with that kind of stuff
I have the 708 and it has lots of power however mine keeps stalling out every once a while at super slow speeds but starts right up kinda dont like that the girlfriends machine does it too sometimes and the excessive heat coming from the engine is ridiculous. I fixed the problem with an exhaust and tuner
Glad you figured it out... The one I had backfired a lot.. I'm sure it had to do with emission conscious tuning.. Thanks for checking out the video!
@@DirtObseXXion mine still backfires and now having a loud exhaust makes it more noticeable but I did some digging and the machine has an ais system ( air induction sytem or air injection sytem whatever guys call it ) what it does it injects air into the exhaust to burn up the rest of unburned fuel for emission standards which makes a annoying sound pop pop pop pop lol well with my new exhaust it's one loud bang now lol. But anyways it can easily be blocked off and it should reduce the backfiring drastically.
@@kgb8912 Yeah that sounds familiar...What exhaust did you go with?
@@DirtObseXXion I got the hmf titan xl black out edition along with the hmf tuner love that exhaust whoever behind me not so much haha
@@kgb8912 LOL! Awesome!
What years did Yamaha run the 708 motors ?? I’m looking at one and don’t want the 708 motors
16-18.. Top end issues were resolved by 17 but the 686 came back in 19
@@DirtObseXXion thanks for your reply !!
@@markbuck9299 no problem! Hope you find something!
People, the only place where Yamaha doesn't compete with Can Am and Polaris is in engine size. In every other category, they not only compete, but even BEAT them. 4wd system, quality, reliability, belt life, rear brakes, and resale value just to name a few. There's more to an atv than just cc's!
I'd have a new Grizz ten times over any new Polaris!
I've owned both, I prefer the Sportsman 1k to the Grizzly. I love the Grizzly but the Sportsman offers way more.. Better suspension, smoother ride, beefier hubs, a-arms, and drive arms, drive modes, better racks, ADC, and better plastics... I agree it isn't all about ccs but we're talking double HP... You're going to notice that... I like Grizzly, I like Yamaha... But CanAm and Polaris are next level in the premium ATV department... Everyone else just putts along maintaining status quo...
Dirt ObseXXion I'll give you that the ride is smoother on a Polaris. That's always been their clame to fame. But all that other stuff you mention won't mean much when it's sitting in the shop or being towed home. I know of several people with new Sportsmans that have already had two or three problems on brand new machines.
And never in a million years would I list cheap plastic racks, or the ADC as a positive. That is a band aid solution to give a Hilliard clutch awd system something that a real, 4wd system has naturally. I can't believe Polaris is still clinging to that design. Even Can Am is shifting away from auto lock/auto unlock front ends. Maybe they are starting to realize that rider-controlled lockers give way more control. Polaris needs to follow suit, and improve overall reliability, and shed a couple hundred pounds before I'd ever buy one. For the time being, they are the absolute last brand I would buy.
Fair enough, I'm not trying to convert anyone and I'm only speaking to the XP1000 model. I like the Polaris AWD system better because you don't have to stop to engage and you can still steer.. It took me awhile to adjust at first though... Yamaha's CVT is BY FAR the best, not arguing that at all.. The racks are steel reinforced and are actually usable.. I hated the racks on the Grizz... XP takes more abuse with the beefier hubs, bearings, and the Arched A-Arms are awesome.. My Grizzly went to the shop for warranty work twice, the Sportsman once. I do all my own maintenance and non warranty work. Like I said I've owned both.. The Sportsman is by far the superior machine in my opinion.. That's all it is, an opinion.. But it's based on 1000 miles of seat time on both.. I can certainly appreciate the fact you disagree. The Grizzly is a great machine and you'll definitely be happy with it.. Grizzly>570 Sportsman all day...
Dirt ObseXXion You should have been able to steer fine in 4wd on the Grizz. It uses an open differential. Not to mention that what resistance is still felt should've easily been overtaken by the power steering. And you should've been able to switch into 4wd on the fly as well.
Also, your 2016 was the first model year for the 708 engine. Yamaha did have some issues with that machine. Not to mention it was also a complete redesigned, first year model. I wouldn't even buy a first model year Honda, because I don't like being the guinea pig!
In any event, enjoy your machine. I hope you have better luck with it than the average Polaris buyer. In the meanwhile, I'll put another 3000 miles on my Kawie this year, bringing it up to 20,000 miles. My Yamahas will probably only get 500 miles on them this year, but they've already got almost 2000 hours on them, so that's ok. They've earned a rest. Lol!
HAHA! Thanks man, I appreciate any and all comments even if they are disagreements! Yes you are right about first model years... lesson learned.. Notice my 1k is several years into the new design! I love Kawi's too, I have a Vaquero with 16,000 and no issues... Ride safe my friend!
The biggest problem with CF Moto and any other off-brand ATV is resale value. You save a thou or two up front, but then, 4 or 5 years later, it's easily worth 4 or 5 thou less. Any older than that? Essentially unsellable.
I still buy a 850/1k cc grizzly. There is still and will always be a market for a four wheeler. We can argue the pros and cons, but it's like every other market out there.
Couldn't agree more! I don't think its coming, but I'd love an 850 Grizzly!
This was on Facebook.Travis Hollins
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ATV/ SxS Product Planning Manager at Yamaha Motor Corporation, USA (((((I ask (Travis Hollins )why did Yamaha go back to the 686cc "Boby Smith basically a business decision, the 19 grizzly with larger tires and lower gear ratio is basically the same as Viking, we discontinued the Wolverine 708 so we would have had two very similar engines but different. Keeping them the same reduces costs and inventory headaches. Also We felt the improvements to the 686 power character gave the 19 grizzly a little “sportier” flavor than the 708 which we liked."
Very cool, thanks!
The 708 was a Saburu motor that had oil burning issues
@@ronbutterworth I think that was a contributing factor as well... Thanks for checking out the video!
@@ronbutterworth Travis Hollins
said the 708 is a Yamaha and that Yamaha builds engines for the wildcat xx and Toyota and orthers. David Akeya Yamaha Kodiak 700 Group has almost 16,000 miles.
He had 15,000 in Oct facebook.com/groups/1045753535513603/search/?query=15000&epa=SEARCH_BOX
I have 2 708's both had rebuilds and they said the containers the motors were shipped it got compromised with salt water and it's eat the engines inside out after the rebuilds I haven't had issue with them yet but time will tell still like my 686's better
Were they both 2016s? Odd that being compromised by salt water would eat engines from the inside out right? Unless "compromised" meant completely submerged for an extended period of time.
1 was a 2016 se and the other one is a 2017 basic model and from what the dealership said that's what it sounds like to me and it was odd we hit 3,000 miles on them and they both started smoking bad and we took them in right away and they give us loaner one while they had ours and it came down to both needing rebuilds the service manager showed us the jugs and they had a lot of little pin holes in them and he's said those were about the 20th quads he has redone with the same issue
Why do I have 900 miles on mine, and zero issues. Mine was built in 2018 so maybe they figured it out? The old school 686 is not as powerful, as they had to reduce the gearing to keep it compatible to the 708.
Yeah, they resolved everything after 16.. They reduced gearing to deal with the heavier tires on the SE.. The 686 is plenty powerful, it gets 70hp reliably on modded Raptors.. I like the Grizzly though, in both forms.. Just had a couple lemons in 2016
Dirt ObseXXion ahhh, I gotcha. I’m still used to Honda so my concerns with any other brand are close and near. So far, I love my Yamaha! My love for them is growing! I believe your on to something with your comments.
@@outpowspo Thanks! I'm a Yamaha fan, the Grizzly is my favorite 4x4 atv even though I traded my last one in.. The Raptor is my all time favorite atv, I'll always have one of those.. My last video was on the new RMAX with factory Yamaha. Yamaha's product planning manager and media relations guy are in it and obviously it's about the RMAX, but off camera we talked a lot about the Grizzly and ATVs in general..
I think Yamaha's have their place, but competing with CanAm or Polaris isn't it. I still love my Grizz for hunting and basic ATV usage and unstopability of a small, easy to work on, and easy to driveness. I still prefer to PLAY on my CanAm, tho! LOL
Well said! Glad you made it through the earthquakes ok too btw... I was watching..
Wow that’s funny! My 2016 grizzly smoked. Yamaha told the dealership that exact same story. Oh he swamped it we won’t cover it. Luckily they ended up covering it. They gave me a whole new top end. They stated there was scoring on the cylinder walls. I bought an extended warranty for 3 more years cheap. But I’m thinking it’s also a valve guide issue. Ps it’s smoking again 😂
Dude... I'm sorry to hear that, we should've known better than to get a first year re-vamp I guess.. I won't make that mistake again.. I went with Sportsman 1k and I'm very happy with it.. It's night and day ahead of the Grizz although there are still things I miss about the Grizz...
Oh I bet that sportsman is a power house! Like you said we should have waited a year for all the bugs to be worked out. My problem is I’m so hooked on Yamaha that I can’t see leaving them. Thanks for the reply and the 19 riding season will soon be here! Enjoy!
@@marktiny8928 Heck yeah brother thanks for the comment! I'm a Yammie fan too, this years Grizz is pretty badass.. I just did a Japanese Big Bore ranking vid and had to give the Grizz the top spot.. Still love it despite the one bad year...
I know honda machines are less powerful slower and less exciting so to say but I still stick with honda for reliability alone
Can't blame ya, to each his own!
I owned a Honda foreman loved it great Atv never any issues . But got boring bought a 2020 grizzly Yamaha hope it holds up to Honda we shall See Honda had 6 k miles many of hunting trips started up every time just got tired of being last in the pack with the other big bore ATVs
Isn't there a law that restricts the displacement of Japanese atvs sold in the US?
I've heard that before but the only legal restriction I can find is on youth ATVs... There are carbon credits tho, maybe Yamaha doesn't think a big ATV is worth spending the credit on... Here's the thing... SXSs sell at a rate of 2 to 1 over atvs.. The best selling atvs are mid displacement 450-570, hence the new 450 Kodiak.. The Grizzly is the best selling big bore... So, yamaha's biggest competition would be themselves in a market that's comparatively small... not to mention buyers a big bore ATVs are actually concerned with size, and the closest thing Yamaha has ready to drop into an ATV would be the parallel-twin of the Wolverine at 847ccs.. so you'd still lose some sales to Can-Am and Polaris.. I hate to say this but when it comes down to it, it's just not worth their time..
Spot on brother
Thanks man!!!
10yr belt life is nothing for a griz, I have a 2012 with fairly low miles 1200, but all of it is plowing, towing, hauling and dragging trees through mud and rocks and I've done nothing but pull the drain plug occasionally, clutch and belt are still flawless.
Awesome! I know it's the best cvt, love seeing that Yammie backs it up for 10yrs! Thanks for the comment!
My 2000 Grizzly 600 is still going on the original belt with @ 12,000 miles.
You need more videos my man
Lol.. Thanks!
Man I’m waiting a day for a vtwin engine
Hopefully someday...
Dirt ObseXXion hopefully but I don’t see it coming anytime soon
@@OFFROADDAN No, me neither... Market is too small, and the Grizz would have to be redesigned to fit the Wolverine motor in it.. Plus it would probably have to be north of 13k..
Dirt ObseXXion I would probably still buy into it if it was north of 17k. I’d think it would be so worth it
@@OFFROADDAN For an 850 Grizz?!?! You could get two Sportsman 850s for that!!!!!
Why? Burns oil right off the showroom floor. Know a guy on his second motor, second one's burning oil too, with an elderly owner.
People don't want to hear that about Honda and Yamaha but the truth is, they aren't all home-runs... What year was his? I'd guess 2016.. There are definitely people who have had them and been fine, but all in all that 708 wasn't Yamaha' s finest hour...
@@DirtObseXXion Local dealer's solution was to offer a bore out with a new piston and ring set, he demanded a new motor. He has 800 Km on the second one and it's a repeat performance, burns oil. Unfortunately, Yamaha won't take the bike back, or replace it with a Grizz with the 686, so he's headed to court. I was a day away from buying one, until I talked with him. Now it's a Sportsman.
I love my Sportsman XP1000.. Did you see our video on the new premium edition?
Vs the Grizz: Better racks, arched A-arms, Drive Modes, double power, more comfortable, easier maintenance.. And the 850 is a grand less... No brainer really..
I did have a clutch issue with the Sportsman but Polaris took care of it immediately..
@@DirtObseXXion well said. The Honda rancher AT was trash too. Honda made it only 2 years before killing it.
@@therider6926 Thanks... Itll be interesting to see how the Talon does with all the inflated expectations of reliability.. Not saying it wont be great but itll sure break like everything else..
Can't wait for bigger GRIZZLY!!! I ride my 2007 for ten years (>1000mth) and still have fun, but it is time to change for something bigger. I hope Yamaha don't give a sh*t .
Bigger Grizz would be awesome but I wouldn't hold my breathe on one.. The price point would be a turnoff for a lot of people especially in the new age of SXSs.. An 850 Grizzly would HAVE to be priced much higher than the 850 Sportsman and Outlander, both of which have a price competitive with the current Grizz.. If you start talking 12-13k for an ATV, it becomes competitive with the 1000cc machines as well as SXSs.. I don't think Yamaha will take the risk on the development of a new ATV in a market that isn't huge.. The 500-700cc machines are the sweet spot for ATV sale... I'd still love to see one tho!
I just want an atv for its Ruggedness and Reliability. If I want to haul ass I'll buy a SxS
I'd rather have the bullet proof motor over one with a few more horses that won't last long. My only complaint with my yammy is the thing gets so hot on my legs I can't hardly stay on it in hot weather. I need to get some heat shielding and go underneath the left back fender and the right front panel by your calf and knee. I love the machine but it kind of pisses me off I paid $9,500 for a machine that wants to singe the hair off my legs
I understand that, the CVT and motor in the Yammy are great (except in some of the '16s).. But part of their reliability comes from having less power.. I had a ton of fun on the Grizzly, I have more fun on the Sportsman 1k... But I do spend A LOT more time wrenching on it..
@@DirtObseXXion I don't drive my rigs that hard anymore, I'm almost 50 and the wife and Kids and myself just like to take it easy and ride on trails here in Arkansas's mountain ranges. I don't mind getting down on the ground to work on things, heck I'm a farmer so I do it all the time. Its just getting a lot harder to get back up off the ground, lol
@@jtarman70 LOL... Grizzly is probably perfect then!! Thanks for checking us out!
Should have got a Polaris sportsman more power more cargo space less money spent and is reliable as well dont give people bullshit about yamaha is reliable every brand has problems also the powersteering is way better than Yamaha I know i bought both yamaha isn't bad but Polaris is a lot better if people want to pay top dollar for something that offers you less for your money good for them.
The Grizzlies are good ATVs, the 686 and the CVT are definitely industry leading.. But I'm with ya, I like my Xp1000.. Got it for less than MSRP on the Grizz..
Motor 686 is best + very good motor ( check oil , change oil )
The 686 is the best but from 16-18 the Grizzly didn't have that 686, the 708 had top end issues in the earlier models which is what I had..
Yamaha is wasting alot of money. Bring that Big bear twin that we all want. Oh and dont waste time with the 850 unless you want to replace the base grizz with the 850 wolvy. Drop the hammer, the Rmax motor in a long travel 12"/13" 50 in wide and I'd buy it or I will choose between a Popo and a Can am again!
Yamaha!
The Grizz is a beast!!! What are you riding?
The japanese tax, they are great machine but lack in power, maybe reliable but its so expensive, we need more competition so they should try to make more powerful machine.
It would definitely be great if they did.. I just don't see it happening. The Grizz sells pretty good now. Once you cross a certain price point you start competing with SXSs.. When people see me on the Sportsman 1000, a lot of guys ask why I got a 12k ATV, why didn't I just get a SXS... It doesn't even occur to some people now that a lot of us prefer the handlebars still...
@@DirtObseXXion Why not get a SxS? because its really not the same feeling and a quad have way more capacity than a SxS, here we have old trails that maybe a 50"SxS might fit but not a 60+". Not saying a SxS aint fun but... My wife will drive one and ill stick with my sportsman :)
@@lapierreb Mee too!
@@DirtObseXXion Hey you said you give 12k for your Sportsman 1000 ,I have a deal on one for new 2018 Sportsman 1000 red for 10k out the door but don't see how I can get right now I am still paying on my 2017 Kodiak 700 . The same place has a 2018 Grizzly 700 SE and it is only $400 less than the 2018 Sportsman 1000 crazy.
@@crazyflyboy30 I paid 9900.. Its MSRP is 11.9.. Polaris always has rebates going, but yeah, that's a lot more ATV for 400 bucks!
Yamaha could be baddest if they wanted to be. I have had a 2 Yamaha R1's and at the time it was the baddest . I got a 1999 600 Grizzly and and then it was the baddest and now Yamaha has the by far baddest snowmobile at 204 HP now stick than in a atv then see who is the baddest.
I agree.. They could be the baddest if they wanted too! 204 HP in an ATV!!!!! That's straight suicidal!
If you listen/pay attention to the new rumors, you'd know that 2020 is the year Honda finally gets back in the game and most likely Yamaha too. Someone on the inside has been saying that Honda (and probably Yamaha too) wanted to get their Side by side lineups updated and established before they circled back around to competing at the high end in the ATV big bore segment. I'm hoping it's true. And it's long overdue.
Yep! Same rumors as last year! My guess is we don't see one... They'd have to be a completely redesigned machine to feel as refined as the newer Sportsmans...
@@DirtObseXXion Not the rumors I'm talking about. Last year and any year prior was more hoping that legit rumor. And I respectfully disagree as far as having to completely redesign something. And this is coming from someone who just bought a 2018 Polaris Sportsman 850 SP Camo. They just need to make it competitive. People love Yamaha and Honda for different reasons than Polaris. Honda doesn't give a F about what other ATV companies charge because people have always bought Honda's for their brand name and dependability. Similarly to Yamaha. Plus fans of those brands have been STARVING forever for them to get back in the big bore race. If they just made a new 850 Grizz or Rincon with the desired features and a noticeable redesign while making the price semi competitive they'd be just fine. And even though I really enjoy my Sportsman 850 which is my 4th Polaris in my 29 year life, I had a 2011 Grizz 700 EPS that I absolutely loved (it was stolen 4 years ago) and I never had one problem with it in the 4 years I did have with it. And I rode it pretty hard. While Polaris' are a lot of fun they don't have the build quality/dependability you typically find with a Honda/Yamaha hence the price. Just my 2 cents.
All good points my friend, I loved my Grizz too.. Sorry to hear yours was stolen... But here's my rebuttal; the Grizzly is best selling ATV that's got a displacement higher than 570... Not all of the numbers are out yet, and sources vary, but from what I've read so far, the Sportsman 570 is the best selling ATV. All of the top selling ATVs are lower displacement (700 or less). So I don't think a big bore ATV is worth it to Yamaha or Honda in the same way that pure sport SXSs are. As for redesign, I only mean that Yamaha can't drop a parallel twin into the current Grizz, the chassis isn't big enough. Even if all the drive line components stay the same, they'd still have to re-think chassis, plastics, and definitely brakes at minimum.. The weight would definitely creep into the mid to upper 800lbs so they may have to look at drive-line components too.. Not that the current Grizz is bad, other than racks I think it is damn near perfect.. But they don't have the room to work like they did in the Wolverine...
@@longjon1456 Heck Yeah brother! You know I'll be watching when you do! I'd definitely go for an updated bigger Grizz!
@@DirtObseXXion Fair points. We'll see if the Grizz remains the best selling once Honda updates their Rincon this year. I think that'll force their hand to some extent. I just heard that once the SxS markets for Honda/Yamaha caught up to Polaris in their offerings by and large, they would circle back around their attention to ATV's (or at least more than what they've been doing lately which is basically nothing). I'm very confident Honda will come out with their own new updated Rincon with diff lock, power steering, etc which will sell well considering every Honda fan out there has been starved for a over a decade in the big bore segment. And if I'm right and it sells well for Honda (it will if they do what I've heard) then Yamaha will take notice. I'm going to get another ATV to compliment my Sportsman. It'll be another Grizz when they update it/or Rincon when they update it.
McGrath dominated on a Honda CR.
I paid out the ass for my 2016 Grizzly LE with the 708. With the extended warrantee it was over 11k. If I knew then what I knew now, I would have defiantly went with the Can-Am for a little more. Even the battery has been a problem. I had it tested and was told its good. It drains overnight if not on a maintainer. I bought a jump pack so when I take it ice fishing I'm not pushing it in! The first time I rode it the caliper fell off and wore a groove into the alloy rim and gave me a flat tire! I had to take it to a dealership on my vacation for warrantee work with seven miles on it! SEVEN MILES!!! Not to mention it smokes upon start up. It looks like it belongs in the showroom without even a scratch on it and less then 80 miles on it now, but I'm afraid to take it somewhere and get stranded. No more Yamahas in my future EVER!!!
Wow! That sucks!! Thanks for sharing that experience.. Its important to get this type of stuff out too! I traded my 708 Grizz in on the Sportsman 1k..
I want a 1000cc and 850cc twin grizzly. Yamaha better step up, Can am and Polaris are stomping them.
Unfortunately, I don't think it's gonna happen..
708 trouble , 686 good good motor
I agree! I bought a Raptor 700 a few months ago too
@@DirtObseXXion RAPTOR l'am not information, I dont not information
- GRIZZLY 686 good motor
I have a 2017 grizzly 708 special edition it’s been into Yamaha twice to fix the oil burning but today it’s still burning oil almost as fast as the gas. I have to buy a oil change kit every 1000 kms. I called Yamaha head office and they will not make this right with me. I’ve been buying Yamaha atv’s and generators since 2003 loyal loyal customer and I’m now thinking about buying a side by side. I guess it’s time to sell my 2 660’s and my 708 and head back to Honda. Yamaha just has the worst customer service and won’t fix my bike I’ve been having trouble with since day 1!! Not to mention they sold me my 2017 grizzly knowing that the 708 was gonna be a ticking time bomb. That’s how you loose loyal buyers!! So buyers beware Yamaha ain’t the top dog no more not after screwing thousands of people from 2016 to 2018!!! 🖕🏻Yamaha
No need for a 850 twin.
700 single is plenty of power.
Agreed, it keeps the grizz light and nimble too
They will never tough Polaris or CanAm 😎
They'll be bullet proof though... Come apocalypse time it'll be Honda's and Yamaha's... But until the world ends, I'll stick with the fun stuff...
North Country Boyz I think they could be a competitor if they wanted. I have a yamaha v max sitting outside, and believe me they dominate in the cruiser bikes, now if they would drop that technology into the 4 wheelers they would have something! Lol but right now you are correct they are no where even close in the power, and the fox suspension on the can ams are awesome! 😆👍👌👊 glad you finally got your new engine in!
@@markminyard4874 Awesome!!!! V-Max is a beast.. I had a vstar 1100 and that thing was a torque monster... I ride a Kawi Vaquero and a GSXR1000 now..
Dirt ObseXXion yes they are nice. Yamaha is the ones who designed v boost on when the v max was introduced. It is 4 cylinder with 1 carburetor feeding each cylinder, then at 5500 rpm a butterfly valve in the intake opens and that lets 2 carburetors feed each cylinder. You feel it when that happens! Now other manufacturers used their design and put 8 injectors on a 4 cylinder engine, they run from idle to a set rpm on 4 injectors then the other 4 come into play. A real game changer,and yamaha is the first! 👍 👌 👊
I made a typo...Well, I don't know if it was me or Jameson that made the typo...either way you caught what I twas sayin. 😂 It is true...if there is ever a zombi apocolypse...it will be the Honda or Yamaha we are mounting the M134D on! Now I am going to dream tonight about Zombi killing. Thanks! 😎
First..... ha
Damn dude!
@@DirtObseXXion hahaha. I dont mess around when it comes to Dirt obesXXion . Nice vid buddy, the Grizzlies are hugely popular up here, outfitters love them .
@@PistNbroke Thanks man! I like em too, obviously.. But I had free time today, and was reading about why Yammie switched back so I figured I might as well make a video..
@@PistNbroke Can you email me? Need your help on vid... Dirtobsexxion@gmail.com
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