4 Keys to Avoid Being a ℂℝ𝕀ℕ𝔾𝔼 Christian
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- The line between a good Catholic and a "cringey" Catholic is not a fine one; the distinction is often all too clear when we see it playing out in the lives of others. Every Christian should guard against vanity disguising itself as piety. Fr. Pine gives a perhaps overly intellectual approach to avoid being cringe Christian.
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Let go of your cringe past in order to embrace a based future
Based and self improvement pilled
No more based words could have been said.
the word “based” is cringe
@@anthonymat8939 ok Susan
@@jacobcarter6332 j saying the truth, it’s cringe asl
This is one the best and most insightful vids I think Fr. Pine has ever recorded. Please share if you agree.
“Call no man father”
@@longshanks5531 Jesus says shortly after not to call people “rabi” or teacher. This shows obviously this verse isn’t literal. This is further disproved by the scriptural uses of the word “father” to refer to someone other then god.
Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well, and drank from it himself, and his sons, and his cattle?”
I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. 15 For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the god.
- this verse is very clearly where we get the practise from. Paul identifies himself as a father in a symbolic sense.
I am writing to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I write to you, children, because you know the Father. 14 I write to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one.”
God should be replaced with gospel in the second verse that was an accident. 😅
yes, Father Gregory Pine nails this one. video should be required viewing for Catholics - young and old.
Matt I agree. This video is outstanding and thanks to PWA and Father Pine for making it.
You merely adopted the cringe. I was BORN in it. MOLDED by it.
Underrated comment.
Lol
Let the Holy Spirit do it instead. Merely start with holding your tongue , focusing on your thoughts.
He's just like me for real fr
@@KyrieEleison7good advice for most, bad advice for people with ocd/scrupulosity 😂
"No one has EVER cared what week of Ordinary Time it is." A wiser quote hath never been said. Fantastic.
I do care
If you're following along on your own missal it's helpful to know
Excuse me? Of course some of us care - we use that information to follow along in the missal.
@@aiantenor9080 Same here. Just because I'm curious about every aspect of the Catholic faith. I love how so many things in our culture came from Catholicism.
I’m a cantor at my parish, and they make me announce that. I would drop it if I could! Agreed. 😂
I liked this video. I struggled with leaving room for mystery when my now wife was still a Protestant. She went to a Catholic college with me and I am well versed in my faith, and would try to explain everything all the time, be it at Mass, anytime a Philosophical question came up, anytime a theology situation came up, etc. I learned I was annoying her and she wanted space to just think after I introduced a new idea to her. I really made an effort to only offer my opinion when it was asked for, and let the Holy Spirit work through me instead of trying to do His work for Him. She ended up wanting my opinion more often when I was less intrusive, go figure lol. She converted right after our wedding.
Glad it worked out! Best of luck in your marriage and the Crucible (nice pfp)
@CJ P. Just pray for her conversion and ask the Holy Spirit to make you His instrument, and brush up on your apologetics so you can be ready to answer her questions. And of course be a good example for her for what a Catholic is and does. God bless you!
@@eamonmulholland3159 Lmao thanks. Titan main for life.
I've learned that life will give you natural opportunities to demonstrate your faith without shoehorning it into every interaction. A personal experience: on military deployment to Korea some guys were watching a show I couldn't access because I don't have a VPN. "You don't have VPN? How do you watch porn?!" (It's blocked in Korea). So I told them I don't watch porn and it triggered a conversation about Christianity and my beliefs. I didn't have to lord it over anyone, they were asking the questions. 👍
Why do they watch porn??? So sad for their families.
@@marybeth1747 Because male sex drive is a relentless beast, that's why. I am not condoning watching it, I'm just saying what male biology is like.
“They promptly forget the words and mumble through the rest.” Yes!!!
I do that, especially when some of the responses are less familiar, also if the church is echoing and I didn't even catch certain words the lector said.
I do the opposite, lol - I don't listen to the psalms in between the respones. Instead, I quietly rehearse the response to try to remember it (which I frequently don't accomplish!). I don't know which is worse.😀
Glad to know it’s not just me 🙃
How are you so consistently on point? I experience every single one of these levels of cringe as if they were levels of hell.
LOL, this is an underrated comment. what Sarah posted is hyperbole, but at the same time true and hilarious all at once.
I appreciate this kind of content. I think a lot of the time we aren’t sure how to behave as Catholics this day and age. There’s plenty of discussion about the doctrines and the ideas and less about the actual living it out, which can leave us feeling lost and end up acting weird.
Definitely this (not sure how to behave). I appreciate this video as I'm pretty sure I'm often cringe in ways I don't know how to not-be, and I want to find a better path than my default route of sitting quietly in the back of rooms so I don't scandalize others away from Catholicism by exhibiting strange-conduct-while-Catholic in front of them. I was strange before becoming Catholic, and Catholicism didn't quick-fix that. And I don't come from a background or environment with obvious in-person examples for how to be simultaneously holy and not weird. So hearing from an exemplar I admire, about some concrete examples of what to avoid/do, is helpful. I'd love to see more content like this :)
Exactly. I make myself cringe at times
@@annmarierose1086 100%, me too
17:30 “holiness is a secret kept between you and God…eschew opportunities for virtue signalling” great point!
I love this! As a Pentecostal I always did the most and never felt authentic but thought it was needed. I brought that into my faith as a catholic and am questioning certain practices. Thank you for this😮💨😮💨
It’s just a reminder that to spread Christ is to be a living testimony and preferably not a weird obsession where you look like you’re waiting for someone to notice. God bless
So good. love when the Mass is all business, no affectation or extra bits , they let you be lost, mystery in spades
"No one cares what week of ordinary time it is. No one has ever cared what week of ordinary time it is." 🤣🤣
Fr. Gregory. That was your BEST TEACHING YET! -- SO MANY valuable insights in one short session. I saw myself all over the place -- and I can’t wait to STOP! (Hahaha!) Oh how I love Dominican teaching. No fillers. Just well spoken truth. Many thanks.
It's this kind of instruction that is really helpful. I've attended the same Catholic Church I was born into in an Italian/Polish neighbourhood. We've managed to remain low key and traditional forever it seems. I realize now how blessed we really are.
I met Fr Gregory in Medjugorje. Well done on your work
I ❤ this! “Leave room for mystery” 👏👏👏👏👏 Amen! I forget that’s why we love being Catholic. I’ve never been able to articulate that before. I bust out laughing when he said “no one cares.” He’s right! We do so much communal praying and singing already, give people a little room to not have to connect on every level. Bravo, Fr. Pine! This was refreshing to hear. Now, I have the language to articulate how church is supposed to be different than our jobs, family gatherings and social events. Sometimes, it’s my spiritual hospital, and when I’m hurting, I need space to be me. Also, the mystery of our faith is what prompts interest and conversion more often than not. I’ve heard so often how Catholicism feels inaccessible, but the same people who say that aren’t showing up in other churches either. They don’t seek. So, the answer is not to over explain. I like the “get out of the way” explanation too. So good! Great reminders overall. Thank you!
This has just summed up all of my struggles with feeling like an outsider of the church I don’t feel good enough to join. Seeking a quiet, peaceful, mysterious place to learn about God and work on my faith without weird aggressive pressure, and despite attending alone for online service. Quiet, non bossy traditional service makes me feel comfortable to take in what I can, and the over-sanitized comment - oh yes! Look forward to further guides in this vein! SO HELPFUL and I feel so seen!!! These struggles have made me feel not good enough to seek baptism. It’s so hard to talk to other Christians about. They basically shame me that I would feel ready if I was just a better Christian and wouldn’t be struggling so much if I just prayed more, which makes me feels even less worthy. I refuse to believe in a God that doesn’t welcome me with open arms and love. Unfortunately churches are human communities of all us sinners, so we have to negotiate this element. This video was an awesome support. I’m not Catholic, and I will be watching more.
Thank you for helping a lost sheep tonight. Much love from Canada ❤
We need talented voices like yours!
You are made in the image and likeness of God. You are worthy. Salvation is the Eternal Father's gift to you. You can not earn it. He is waiting for you to accept His gift. You are loved.
latenitetubing wrote "This has just summed up all of my struggles with feeling like an outsider of the church I don’t feel good enough to join."
This reminds me of a quote from the late Bishop Fulton Sheen. Some fellow told him "I don't go to church because there are too many hypocrites." Bishop Sheen replied, "There's always room for one more!" 😃 Jesus will do the heavy lifting for us, and make us worthy, if we just cooperate with His grace.
@@GrislyAtoms12 Thank you! Appreciate your take & will ponder this quote 🙏 ❤️
@@latenitetubing May God bless you!
Sounds good for a very devoted catholic who knows in & out of the faith & Church but the opposite of a lukewarm faithful or Young in faith. There should be a room for motivation, encouragement, learning from other faithfuls.. & Will build a room for misteries.. sometimes we learn by copying others & ask why this & that..
Like catholics we hide our Rosaries while people like muslim are using theirs in public, just because we dont want to be like pharisees.. but i Think its time we use our Rosaries everywhere in our walks, shopping etc.. God knows you are not showing off & it can encourage someone out there & be proud of our faith & practises 🙏
Thank you for putting words to some of the things I was having cringes over and didn’t know why
Advice worth making a holy card out of Father. I have never heard it said so poignantly and with such simplicity. You covered every topic and circumstance that I have thought about in my life of cringe. We can never go wrong by sticking with simplicity and humility. So many excellent examples that we have all either been part of or affected by. I for one was once a cringe clown and I took myself way too seriously. I’m so happy I shed so many of those masks in my life. Thank you.
I LOLed at several points because they are so true. Excellent presentation. Thank you!
ALL MY YES TO SILENCE AFTER MASS. I GET YOU WANT TO PRAY TO ST. MICHAEL. HE'LL STILL HEAR YOU IF YOU DO IT QUIETLY. THE REAL PRESENCE REMAINS FOR 10 MINUTES AFTER RECEIVING COMMUNION AND I'D REALLY LIKE TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO HIM GUYS.
Recently converted to Catholicism…
….coming from a ministry that maybe overly expressive during worship…
…do I say my AMENs to loud after receiving the Eucharist?
I’m learning…Thank you for this video….
As a new Catholic, during Mass, I sit in back of the Church to observe.
Holy Spirit guide me❤️🩹🙏🏾
If the people around you and in the front row can hear your Amen, that is a good witness. If they can hear it in the back of church, probably a bit too loud. I cannot say I have ever heard anyone say Amen too loudly. So please do not be self conscious on such details. Be your authentic self because that is who God loves most. .
This was so great! I feel like you are able to put to words what is known on a subconscious level! Thanks, Fr. Gregory!
Amazing message. Everyone should watch this. We all know when people go kooky and no one can relate to them.
Very good video, God bless you and all your dominican brothers!
A lot of Christians avoid being "cringy Christians" by not being Christian at all, neglecting their dogmatic duties to faithfully represent Christ and save souls.
Liked the following quotes from this video:
1) "cultivate self awareness, self acceptance and self-forgetfulness."
2) "Interior transformation is more arduous than exterior addition."
This describes every Sunday mass I ever attended
I enjoyed this very much Fr. Pine. I LOL’d at “tracking which week of Lent we’re on to know when to start doing terrible things”. I recently came back to the Church after being away for decades and there are definitely some things that for me, take away from the mystery. The greeters and the announcements is definitely one I can relate to. Also all the singing. The Gloria is sung now or at least in my parish and growing up (in the 80’s) we would always recite it. I can’t sing even if my life depended on it and I find it very challenging but maybe that’s the point. Haha. Thank you for all your work in putting out this content.
I will definitely be putting these tips to use! Thanks a bunch for all you do Fr. Gregory!
Loved this. Thank you, Father.
What a lovely video and food for my soul. Thank you!
Thank you Father Pine. Very well said. This will help us get out of the way. Sincerity in prayer and worship.
Thank you for this message.
Terrific commentary as always, Fr. Pine.
Wow, such prudence and humility, I love it!
Fr. Pine , I love you ..terrific message 🙏
We love you Fr. Gregory! Great talk. Very much needs to be said.
Yes 🙌🏼 so many great points! Definitely going to share this video and rewatch a few times.
"Holiness is a secret kept between you and God," excellencio Mathew Pine!! Is your brother a Priest also? Another fantastic episode
Father Pine, very relatable and needed. You spoke "humanese", different from the other episodes. God Bless You.
Great teaching Fr. Gregory. Thanks
Outstanding talk! A good reminder to get out of the way of your own - and others’ - prayer and worship.
I found this very helpful. Thank you:)
This is wonderful and so reassuring to hear! Thank you for all of your wisdom and advice.
Thank you Fr. Pine! This was very timely for me!
Thank you, Father. Very good and practical advice. The part about immediately forgetting and mumbling the response of the psalm is both funny and relatable!
Thank you Fr Gregory!!🙏😇
Love this. Some people get so much into it that it feels like they are putting on a performance and it just feels fake and is so off putting.
I go to a church near my workplace during my lunchbreak and during that time, there is a sign at the altar to let people know that the area is alarmed so no one will go near the tabernacle. There is this woman, who goes all the way up to the sign, puts her bag down on the edge of the area, then bows down on her elbows and knees and puts her forehead and hands on the edge of the area with her butt in the air, and stays there for a good 10 minutes. And it interrupts my prayer with this anxiety that she's going to set the alarm off each time (because she's done it before). And then she would proceed to go around the church and touch EVERYTHING, like anything else that could possibly be alarmed so it wouldn't be stolen. And I feel bad because I leave to go back to work feeling really disgruntled and judgmental at that woman.
The church is full of people suffering from Scrupulosity, pray for them!
modest and humble and quiet
Very helpful! Thank you!
Thank you for being such an important part of my formation. I tell the Dominican Sisters that I work with that you are my unofficial spiritual advisor!
This was amazing to me which probably says more than Id like about myself! Cheers!
Thanks for this!
I love videos like this! please do more
A lot of good food for thought, thank you!
Thank you Fr. for all of your helpful videos!^_^
I loved this video. Excellent work!
Regarding #2, getting out of the way, all I can say is Amen, brother. From your lips to pastors' and liturgists' ears. My soul would exult if half the things you suggested were to manifest in my parish. But you really haven't cringed until three grown men with fake beards and cheesy costumes process to the altar as kings during the Epiphany Mass. God have mercy on my curmudgeonly soul.
I guess that scenario may depend on who’s doing it I attended Epiphany in a beautiful Church built by German immigrants (Boston) - sadly no longer there. The procession of the 3 Kings was revenant, majestic, with everyone in the congregation singing. I’ll never forget if. and grateful I saw & participated in that Mass. Thd memory will be with me for all the future January 6’s of my life.
I appreciate how this convicts other people and also convicts me.
Regarding compliments: I find it so unsettling when people compliment me on, for example, how “reverently” I receive Holy Communion. First of all, why are they paying any attention to me? Second of all, it does make me self-conscious, which now distracts me, inviting pride in. I don’t know if that makes any sense.….
Society has imposed us that giving compliments it’s loving your neighbor BUT, I think it really isn’t… it’s just temporally fueling the ego
I think it would be better for your prayer with the Lord to receive Holy Communion just like everybody else, based on what Father is saying, we shouldn't be to showy or vain glory with our pursuit of holiness, in your case, receiving Communion, because not only do you mention it distracts you and makes you uncomfortable, but it is also holding up the line for everyone else waiting to receive and potentially making them feel less close to God because they don't show your extra reverence, so I think as Father teaches in this video, that holiness is a secret between you and God, an interior disposition of your soul, I think blending in with everyone else in mass, helps cultivate simplicity and genuine humility, as we remind our selves we are all sinners and whatever gifts in the spiritual life we have are gifts from God.
Instead of complimenting me, buy me a beer after Mass... and I'll get the next two rounds.
@@Eserr7856 I don't understand your response. I do nothing unusual. But I agree about distractions. .
@@MFV77 i think he probably assumed you receive on tongue while kneeling.
I agree with you on all of the 'signposts' except the announcement of the Liturgical week. We do not have any signage telling people where the readings can be found in the hymnal so doubling up on both the actual page# & the Liturgical date may help those wanting to follow the readings remember where to locate them (disregarding that the Readings are supposed to be auditory not visual).
I appreciate this. Being a visual learner, I take things in better when I read along.
That's a very good description of 'cringe'
“Yeah. Lord’s weird”. My new line for everything 😂
T-Shirt worthy.
You need to have a conversation with some of the pastors in my Diocese! Many of the things you mention not to do are required. Not to mention we have one (and his associates) that gives a brief explanation about the first and second readings before each reading! You should hear the long list of announcements before mass! (It is like an audible version of the weekly church bulletin!)
Thank you for your words Father
Fr. Gregory killin it!
Like it or not, humans are social and pretty judgey. If you struggle with social intereactions, like working out, we need to practice and train our minds to learn how not to be socially awkward or just a desperate weirdo who says cringey things.
LOL as I get older I get more socially awkward 😂
@@dulcejocelyn7102 As I get older I worry a lot less about what people think. I was very shy as a child.
Key fact: most of the time they aren't thinking about you at all.
Well stated, thank you.
About the responsorial psalm, Where I go to mass, if the cantor doesn't lift their hand, nobody speaks/sings. On week mass, no problem, but on Sundays, nobody...
Lots of resonance here ... This is needed as it speaks to things that are often happening but rarely spoken about. The part about extra-liturgical devotions destroying silence particularly pains me.
Great points re overdoing information given to new Mass attendance!! Mystery is what it's about, thanks Father...
I understand the points you've thoughtfully articulated. From a high, 1000 foot view however, I do believe that being a Christian in today's world is automatic "cringe": it is the 'job' of a Christian to not care what others think of them, particularly at the expense of our devotion to Christ.
In fact, I would posit this type of thinking (how to "avoid being a cringe Christian") is a major component driving the poisoning of Christianity; a parasite consuming the Church: bending to the will and tastes and preferences of modernity.
I loved this!
If you feel like singing in church, and if it is your form of worship, go for it! We all don't sing well, and it doesn't matter!
exactly.
@@aiantenor9080 I'm afraid that this video could cause some people to mumble when they "sing."
You have not heard my singing lol
Praise God
@15:50 I laughed at this because it's my experience personally. I sing the refrain but then I forget it by the time the vocalist completes the verse so I just kinda hum stuff out while I listen to what other people are singing and then I remember and join along.
Genuine vs false humility.... Very good talk... Resonates with me.... God bless, Father... Good to really have self-awareness...
A very solid video.
I love this video, but as a cantor, I feel that lifting hands during responses is extremely helpful to the congregation. You can see this in the diminished response some congregations give when you don’t cue them in. Sometimes they really are confused when to sing. I think this says more about the liturgical knowledge of the particular congregation than the genre. Still, I think it is a helpful practice that can serve a purpose without taking away from the mystery of the mass
Lots of good advice. While culture varies between times and places, between various age groups, there are key red flags when we are being cringe/causing issues with others. As mentioned it may be boasting or other forms of drawing attention to ones own piety and acts of mercy, it may be not charitably considering the time pressures others are under, and so many other warnings to look out for.
Hi Matt, you dont know it but you've been a part of my journey in alot of ways through the different books you wrote, your free content, and of course the fraternal and eternal pursuit of christ while we still walk this earth. Thank you for that. I really like your picture of st thomas doing a hadoken to I believe Charles Dawkins(I'm sorry if its the wrong name I am guessing). Do you currently have any gear, shirts or sweatshirts that have that art? I have been looking haha. Anyhow have a blessed day.
The kneeler thing... my goodness, I've experienced this for the first time a couple of Masses this past month. And it would be a whole pew of people complying to just 1 dude's insistence on not using the kneeler. It blew my mind... like, yo, I appreciate your piety but please don't subject everyone else to it (especially those of us in skirts/dresses.)
I have the opposite problem ... I like to keep the kneeler down the whole Mass so it's ready to go when it's time to kneel. The sound of kneelers dropping en masse is distracting. But when I'm sharing a pew with a stranger, they usually lift it up when it's time to stand. One underrated perk of the TLM is everyone keeps the kneelers down for the entire Mass since there's a lot of kneeling. Although we do have some of the kneeling on the floor people there too 🙂
Exactly. Couldn't agree more! 👍
Amazing.
Millennial priest here. The whole boomer 70s/80s style of worship is the summum of cringe for me.
“Leave room for Mistery”. Amen. For me that translates as “When at Mass, read the black print and do as the red print says. This is about God, not you. You’re not that important”
Thank you for bringing this up, father.
Thank you
Good content
Great video.
I'm in my late 20s but I do remember when "cringe" took over in the 2000s and 2010s. Like Aslan said: "I was there when it was written."
An extreme yet effective way to describe the feeling of cringe to "the uninformed" is to ask them to "imagine putting a toothpick under your toenail and kicking the wall." When they wince and shudder and the image of such a horrible thing, you then go "There, that feeling that just overcame you. That's what cringe is."
I sing under my breath as I can't sing, a bit like samuel's mum, when she prayed silently for a baby and the priest thought she was drunk, and I also say the words silently as I don't want to distract anyone from focusing on Jesus, just incase I may be a bit loud when praising
Umm - yes, I do care what week in ordinary time it is. How else am I going to follow along with the daily readings in my missal?
It is not enough to be a non cringe Catholic, you must be a based Catholic
Anyone expecting undisturbed prayerful silence in a pew before Sunday mass on any consistent basis in a diocesan parish is setting themselves up for disappointment. Rosary before mass all the way.
I think there’s also an onus on people who feel experience and are troubled by “cringe” to get over themselves and stop being so self-important. Expecting people to change, allowing other peoples expressions of faith to actually bother you. It’s OK to experience cringe of course but you should also strive to overcome this selfishness as well.
Tough balance.
Yeah. Some people are genuinely excited by the Music or Readings and can come across as "fake" but are actually being hit with the Holy Spirit. It is important to remember that many Saints were ignored or even suppressed by the Church at one time or another.
@@carolynkimberly4021 I will give you an example of where I have messed up but it wasn't from evil intentions. 2 Sundays ago I was reading Timothy and became super excited by "Proclaim the Word" I was probably speaking too fast going into it and then started speeding up even more after that. Many in the Parish considered it Cringe just by looking at them I knew I had went over the top.
So what I am saying is that we shouldn't assume bad intentions from people trying to perform ministries requested by the Bishops of the Church. If the Priest, Deacon or even others want to help correct errors that is fine.... but if it isn't worth verbally correcting then we should move on.
Max cringe: "Good morning" before Mass. People - there is a greeting built into the Mass already: "The Lord be with you." That greeting actually does something for me spiritually. Hearing "Good morning" or "Welcome" or whatever from some random layperson only detracts from what follows. This is even more true when it becomes quasi-liturgical - when the priest says "Have a good day" and we all mumble dutifully, "You too, Father." Hate. Cringe.
Nor do I need to know the name of the celebrant. They're all Jesus.
"People shouldn't have to contend with your holiness." This sounds better than, "People shouldn't have to contend with Your Holiness."
A question about the concept of “self-love”… In my head I have this idea that self-love is egoistic, and self-centered instead of Christ-centered. I think there’s no room for self-love when you truly want to love God and others... Also I think self-love is looking for *your* well-being first… so my question is… how do you define self-love?
You didn’t ask for my opinion, but for what it’s worth 😄 Self-love is not (or shouldn’t be) self-indulgence. Unfortunately, our modern/ secular view and practice of love is, in fact, indulgence. So regarding try self- love: you are required to love what God has made. You must love yourself because God made you in His image. But you also must reframe what the world has taught you about love. (And we all must, even if we are raised as Christians, we still exist in the environs of a secular/ pagan physical world that shapes our mindset.) Hope that’s helpful!
the only thing I wish, is to hand a Missal with pages marked. the point with humility, pure gold
amen to your last comment!@