NBA Advanced Stats for DUMMIES

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  • Опубліковано 22 лис 2024

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  • @jdh9676
    @jdh9676 11 місяців тому +38

    I saw the "for DUMMIES" part and felt special🤗

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  11 місяців тому +8

      just for you baby 😘

  • @JohnLawlor26
    @JohnLawlor26 11 місяців тому +55

    Good video corn dog man

  • @coatap4
    @coatap4 11 місяців тому +15

    The fact that (some) people make it seem like TS% is an “nba nerd” stat that doesn’t give a true indication of a players efficiency is mind boggling. You’re telling me that TS% is a nerdier stat than VORP??

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  11 місяців тому +6

      Id say ultimate NERD stats are WAR, VORP, RAPTOR, and Career-Arc Regression Model Estimator with Local Optimization CARMELO

  • @henrymanzano2201
    @henrymanzano2201 11 місяців тому +13

    Great video,and it explains a lot. Much appreciated,man! I'm wondering why "Per 36" is a thing,and not "Per 48",like the way baseball uses "per 9 innings" for pitchers,or "per 60 minutes " for goalies in hockey

    • @Crispen30
      @Crispen30 11 місяців тому +15

      They use "Per 36" because most Starters/Stars play around 36 minutes a game (in the regular season that is) so it gives a more intuitive way to compare raw box score stats

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  11 місяців тому +8

      that's what I figured too.

    • @henrymanzano2201
      @henrymanzano2201 11 місяців тому +4

      @@Crispen30 Thanks! 👍🏽

  • @coatap4
    @coatap4 11 місяців тому +7

    Another beautiful video Joey, but could you run over some of the more ambiguous statistics like Win Shares (offensive and defensive) as well as VORP and maybe explain how Power Rankings aren’t a true indication of a team’s probability of winning?

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  11 місяців тому +3

      Thanks! I actually have a video on VORP from about a year and a half ago if you want to check it out. (I think it's decent)

  • @alyoshaty8823
    @alyoshaty8823 11 місяців тому +2

    I'm going to start looking at PIE now! Thanks brochacho.

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  11 місяців тому

      Impact is everything, baby!

  • @stacysdad7
    @stacysdad7 11 місяців тому +5

    Subscribed. ❤ you sold me. Happy holidays, bro. I learned so much in 6 minutes and ive been watching basketball since like 99

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  11 місяців тому +2

      Sweet! happy to help!

    • @alyoshaty8823
      @alyoshaty8823 11 місяців тому +2

      This is the most underrated basketball channel on youtube. Glad you found it.

    • @stacysdad7
      @stacysdad7 11 місяців тому

      @@alyoshaty8823 I just love that it's absolutely no bs

  • @chiragmc8374
    @chiragmc8374 11 місяців тому +5

    Loved the old style video ❤️

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  11 місяців тому +2

      It's nice because I can recycle old videos that weren't as good.

  • @GroovyKid7
    @GroovyKid7 11 місяців тому +5

    This was good thanks

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  11 місяців тому +2

      np! glad you liked it.

  • @ShadowTwister28
    @ShadowTwister28 11 місяців тому +3

    Just found your channel, I appreciate you and what you do. This is knowledge for people who love the game and its the good lords work... cause some people haven't a crispy clue as to how the game works 😂

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  11 місяців тому +2

      I didn't have a crispy clue for a long time and I was always confused when I'd listen podcast. It's a lot more enjoyable when you understand terminology. thanks!

  • @doweiitd9363
    @doweiitd9363 9 місяців тому +1

    The eye test seems much more efficient. Stats seem like something that can help game planning not as effective in determining the best players. Great information

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  9 місяців тому

      yeah, you know it when you see it.

    • @matthewford521
      @matthewford521 2 місяці тому

      The eye test is terrible. People say that Kobe is the most clutch player because of the eye test but when you pull up the numbers he was terrible in the clutch especially in the finals

  • @KG-ek6qs
    @KG-ek6qs 11 місяців тому +3

    your videos are great and the editing is too

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  11 місяців тому +1

      thanks man! glad you like them!

  • @nahuel3256
    @nahuel3256 11 місяців тому +2

    Saved you in the bookmarks

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  11 місяців тому +1

      you won't regret it.

  • @bennyharderguitar
    @bennyharderguitar 7 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for this. I never understood the offensive/rating defensive rating.

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  7 місяців тому +1

      Anything for you

  • @bobcally861
    @bobcally861 11 місяців тому +4

    Hot take but I feel like these advanced stats will only get more popular over time, and jokic's continued dominance over most of them will make him a goat contender in the future. Love the vid ❤

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  11 місяців тому +2

      yeah, for sure. I think there needs to be a stat that is able to showcase a player who is on a bad team, but has skill. so far no one has. Also thanks!

    • @bobcally861
      @bobcally861 11 місяців тому +1

      @whatslaps very very true. Its so hard for me to gauge the true quality of guys like cade cunningam or lamelo ball given the quality of their team.

  • @RoRo-kc8zv
    @RoRo-kc8zv 6 місяців тому +1

    thanks for helping me on my high school elective class. sport statistics

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  6 місяців тому

      you got it, brother

  • @siphillis
    @siphillis 11 місяців тому +8

    I think it's time to move on from Player Efficiency Rating. From its very formula, it's heavily biased towards counting stats, which themselves are biased toward offense. Russell Westbrook in his MVP season posted record-breaking PER - eventually mandating an adjustment to the formula - while defensive stalwart Bruce Bowen was consistently rated as below-replacement. The killing blow, to me, is Dennis Rodman being viewed as slightly-below-average, when his reputation as the greatest defender of his generation was well warranted.
    BPM, RPM, PIPM, and APM all have their own issues, but they at least seem to account for defensive impact a little better. It is an unfortunate reality that publicly-available defensive metrics are all misleading.

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  11 місяців тому +3

      I went back and watched some of my older videos where I talked about BPM, RAPTOR, VORP and I think it just comes down to the eye test. ecspecially on defensive end. real recognize real. if you watch ball you know who's good.

    • @siphillis
      @siphillis 11 місяців тому +7

      @@whatslaps 100% agree. Advance stats are great tools to help us contextualize what we're seeing, and challenge our personal biases, but they shouldn't substitute actually reading the game.

    • @Herzeder
      @Herzeder 11 місяців тому +1

      Rodman was a great defender but was basically a non-factor offensively except for the offensive rebound. The 4 or so offensive rebounds a night are obviously good but if he's not making good passes nor scoring after the offensive rebound it's not THAT great right ?
      Rodman could be the greatest defender ever and it still won't change the fact that he was scoring an inneficient 6 points a night for basically is whole career.
      Like, Rodman being average (or close to it) in term of PER might actually confirm that the system is working properly. A 9/10 defense but 1/10 offense player is by definition average, right ?

  • @VinceLyle2161
    @VinceLyle2161 5 місяців тому +1

    Embiid sure followed through after this video came out. A full season of high usage with extraordinary scoring and rebounding, running all over the court, leading his team to-- (looks to the side) what?
    Oh.

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  5 місяців тому

      exactly. they should put him on ice.

  • @NickBrown79
    @NickBrown79 9 днів тому +1

    I'd LOVE to see a stat that shows how well a player's TEAMMATES play when he's on the floor. Jokic would obviously be an amazing case - Bruce Brown, KCP, Aaron Gordon and MANY more all saw HUGE stat bumps when joining Jok...or dips when leaving. I suspect Jordan, LeBron, Bird, Steve Nash all had this Rising Tide ability.
    Ironically, Jay Huff LEFT the nuggets and improved... GOOD FOR HIM! Also, why can't the Nuggets find a backup Center? Thomas Bryant was awesome in LA and so many more - why only has Plumblee been the only C that could work!??!!? Lots of Vid Ideas there for ya!
    MORE of these. So many advanced stats that say some REALLY COOL stuff and are mind-blowing, but people don't know what it means.

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  9 днів тому

      I kind of did something like that this week on this channel @whatshorts. It was a video of the top 10 duos in the league. If you look at the lineup stats on NBA dot com the best duos in the entire league are Jokic and his teammates. I guess that means the bench is trash, not that we didn't already know.
      I didn't realize Jay Huff was a nugget last year. He looks good for the grizz.

  • @critcritcrit465
    @critcritcrit465 8 місяців тому +1

    as a thunder fan, i still want more JOE!!!!

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  8 місяців тому +1

      He's the new Harden of OKC

  • @SportsArbitrage
    @SportsArbitrage 8 місяців тому +1

    Loved this breakdown man! Subbed 👊🏻

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  8 місяців тому +1

      Sweet! glad you dug it!

  • @jay-05
    @jay-05 11 місяців тому +2

    Nice video buddy!!! 💪🙌

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  11 місяців тому +1

      thanks friend!

    • @jay-05
      @jay-05 11 місяців тому

      @@whatslaps buddy can you make a video on how rules are changed over the course of time in nba???

  • @timothymiller806
    @timothymiller806 5 місяців тому +1

    Damn Payton catching strays

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  5 місяців тому

      There are no strays, cowboy

  • @MrWwechampion333
    @MrWwechampion333 11 місяців тому +2

    Not about the video but liking the shave

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  11 місяців тому +2

      tune in next week for the haircut.

  • @MistahUnknown
    @MistahUnknown Місяць тому +1

    What is GMSC and it's flaws?

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  Місяць тому

      I've actually never heard of that one tbh

  • @soneshkoolath8744
    @soneshkoolath8744 7 місяців тому +2

    2022-23 MVP was a robbery. Jokic deserved it.
    Great video

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  7 місяців тому

      I'm still saying EMbiid, even though I'm a Jokic guy. He gave it away at the end of the season.

  • @balance4141
    @balance4141 11 місяців тому +1

    Almost a week late again, sheesh. Pie is a good one, pretty well balanced and valuable. I’ve always liked PER because of the average being 15, if you’re close to 30 you’re basically doing the work of TWO average players. Usage can be misleading, but does help to understand how much a team wants to work through a guy. Net rating is interesting, Isiah Joe being the league leader is cool for the reason why that is true. True shooting is cool too, again good balance of relative numbers in their proper context. Should Isiah be getting closer to 36 minutes? Pace consideration is good too, I like how each of these puts certain stuff into better perspective based on how they are weighing their particular data. Thank again, always love your shtuff.

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  11 місяців тому +1

      I'm doing a video coming up and I realized that Embiid is actually at 34.1 per. He's having an insane season. I think it has a lot to do with those blow outs against the wizards and pistons. Isaiah Joe I think is redundant on his team. I've heard the same with giddey. Might serve them to trade him for some veteranship. Ultimately I have no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to that kind of stuff. Players should checking their per constantly though haha.

  • @Kay4423
    @Kay4423 7 місяців тому +1

    Can you do these for the mlb

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  7 місяців тому

      I can't I don't know enough about baseball unfortunately. Jomboy makes great content though.

    • @Kay4423
      @Kay4423 7 місяців тому

      @@whatslaps appreciate it

  • @balance4141
    @balance4141 11 місяців тому +1

    Thanks!

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  11 місяців тому +1

      much appreciated brother. I feel seen.

  • @Kay4423
    @Kay4423 7 місяців тому +1

    And can you define avg
    If .250 is the avg how good or bad is that actually

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  7 місяців тому

      middle of the road. bench player

  • @nickkapatais
    @nickkapatais 8 місяців тому +2

    Spent the past three days going over why every stat is crap without context and why every stat is important In it’s own respect. I’ve FINALLY accepted that I am simply a fan and watch basketball because I enjoy it so the good old box score plus these advanced stats are fine for me. Seriously tho, unless you’re reeeaally really interested in every stat and/or it’s your job to know, I think peeps are good with glimpses of the advanced stats to get the general gist of what’s going on. Time and brain power is unfortunately limited for most of us 😂 Thanks to videos like this, we start to get a decent understanding. Thank you! This is a great video.

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  8 місяців тому

      Yeah, stats are fun but don't show the whole picture. thanks for checking out the video! glad you liked it

  • @nicktice445
    @nicktice445 11 місяців тому +3

    you mess with mac and cheese?

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  11 місяців тому +1

      Not really. I'm going to keep it real with you, I haven't had a corndog since I was about 11 years old.

  • @slobberkissintl3548
    @slobberkissintl3548 5 місяців тому +1

    I'm sort of terrified that basketball is going to become baseball. I checked out for a while and they started doing trigonometry over there. I thought slugging % was advanced enough.
    I'm afraid they're going to homogenize the sport, it's already getting there bc three pt shooting.
    Can we not have ONE al Jefferson please? Edey?
    Sidenote:
    Dunno what kind of juice you have, but if you ever get the opportunity, please plant the seed in the right people that Wembanyama needs to learn and use the sky hook

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  5 місяців тому

      I think their are advanced stats people, but the obsession isn't there like baseball. Hope it doesn't turn that way.
      sidenote: I have no juice.

  • @NATExDAWG1
    @NATExDAWG1 6 місяців тому +1

    What websites do you like to use to find most of your advanced stats??

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  6 місяців тому

      I like basketball reference and nba dot com is good.

  • @jonasnlandu7996
    @jonasnlandu7996 6 місяців тому

    I don’t understand the per 100 possessions calcul

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  6 місяців тому

      extrapolation of stats. hypothetically if they were to play 100 possessions .

  • @zappa3837
    @zappa3837 9 місяців тому

    Who got highest PIE last year, then?

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  9 місяців тому

      Im not at home right now, probably jokic though

  • @reginoromero5556
    @reginoromero5556 11 місяців тому +1

    Lefraud fans will still not understand this tutorial, even though it's made for dummies.

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  11 місяців тому

      got em! Oh wait... that's me.

  • @studentofthesaviors.o.s
    @studentofthesaviors.o.s 11 місяців тому +1

    I though MJ had the highest PER

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  11 місяців тому

      I think career overall

    • @Manolo8988
      @Manolo8988 10 місяців тому

      He does in career PER, playoffs and season is nikola jokic

  • @ivanstrahinjic66
    @ivanstrahinjic66 11 місяців тому +1

  • @BR54niner
    @BR54niner 2 місяці тому +1

    Way too much movement in this video.

  • @ethanjjuuko7895
    @ethanjjuuko7895 11 місяців тому +2

    Hi i love your videos but could you mind speaking slower

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  11 місяців тому +1

      thanks! I have another channel if you look at my featured channels. it's more podcast format and it moves a lot slower.

  • @josephgeorge9765
    @josephgeorge9765 27 днів тому

    Most of the metrics you went over aren't informative or standard in the analytics community. No one uses PIE or PER for anything. Net Rating, Plus-Minus, Usage Rating, are all just signals, not definitive rankings. Stats in context are much more important than stats of any kind. The reason advanced stats beat box score stats/eye test sometimes is because humans are more susceptible to use those things context. I write a blog about the subject and would love to talk to you about a future video where you could go over advanced stats in a more informative way.

    • @whatslaps
      @whatslaps  27 днів тому

      thanks for the offer man! I'll let you know!