In an interview he said that his book ending will be pretty similar to the d&d one... Ye it will surely be more detailed and "bookish", not so hurried, but we already know deny will die and bran will be king, not so much suspance
@tincho Well they basicly did give up by denying HBOs offer to extend GOT to 10 seasons, and refusing to make 10 episodes for season 8, by saying: "No we can handle this in 6". And then went to work on Star Wars.
@greenapplepear it is not more or less. It is definately less. Essentially George gave the Dnd bullet points of what will happen. It is like a master painter giving two 4 years old the acess to all the paints and canvas in the workshop...... Guess what happen to the studio. That is right a mess. Just because you are given the great crayon and canvas doesn't mean the painting will turn out well.
during this interview i found myself setting aside all the work that he's written, and marveling at all the work he must have read in his life. this man is a great example of what humans are capable when we utilize our gifts.
So it’s so clear why regular Hollywood producer figures can never aspire to write the kind of things George does. There is a deep well of historical, religious and philosophical analysis here that goes into creating all the actions of the ASOIAF saga. Hence, the shocking letdown that Season 8 is: a glorified popcorn fan-fiction
They’ve had much less time to work with. They are trying to adapt a story that doesn’t have an end to it that first got published the 90s. It’s been over 20 years in the making. Martin took basically the entirety of the show’s creation to write one book and it isn’t even the final book. I think they did a pretty good job considering the amount of time. It’s a quality tv show.
Naw, its just that good writing takes work and dedications....hollywood writing is all about following a formular to make some quick cash because most people have shit for standards.
Hakageryuu that would just be a confusing experience. If you did that with any long running tv show it would be confusing. I’m not really sure what you mean. How can you fully appreciate any story if you get just the last quarter of it? I have criticisms on the show I just don’t think the blatant rabid hate for everything the show is doing is warranted. I thought the whole Dorne storyline was a misstep but some good character development came out of it and their battle against Euron and capture by Cersei were pretty good moments in the show. Euron needed at least another season of development to make him a better villain. Also the story was definitely being rushed along the past couple seasons so we could come to the conclusion by the end of this season which does suck but it’s not show ruining. My criticisms come mostly from wanting the show to run longer. I think 10 full seasons would’ve been great. However we did not get that and that’s fine because the show is still good. Most of the criticism I hear past that just sounds like hating on the show just to hate on it. A lot of the talk of plot holes and poor writing decisions seem to be made by people who just haven’t been paying attention to the details or parroting the same criticisms made by their favorite UA-camr. There’s rarely any constructive criticism it’s mostly just hate. I hate this decisions because I just do. I hate this decision because D&D are hacks. I hate this decision because I can’t see the details leading up to it so it doesn’t make sense to me. I think the writing is still solid. Have there been missteps? Of course but not nearly enough to ruin the show. I think Game of Thrones has consistently been the best show on tv every season it’s been out. If there’s been anything better I’d love to know what so I can start watching it.
The writing is real and most of you can't deal in reality. You watch your friend get her head cut off, lose a dragon you raised, and have people coming against you in betrayal all the while. A mental breakdown is coming, whether you want it or not isn't up for discussion. Just forget about her traumas and many sacrifices in patience and love. She experienced the end of it all many times over. I say "Kill them all, God will sort them out" too. The people of Kings landing were far from innocent and before you ask "What do I mean?" It's a place of peasants who praise and abide by men who kill for them. That's the reality of the situation. A person of any moral integrity would've been a wildling or at Winterfell. My point is most people don't know how they would've handled 1/3 of what she's been through. Consider all things in context.
@@hakeemp4017 The problem is that the buildup was far too short. In my opinion they should have build her insanity up for at least ~ 10 episodes. In the books George R Martin is slowly building up Mad Dany; that simply wasnt the case in the series.
@@kashay4415 That's just the consequence of a Hollywood hbo budget. They're in it for the business. I think she considered all things in fairness and respect to those she had conflict with before they began suffering consequences for their choices. You can't be a sweet ruler, people will try to run over you and it can make people wonder if you're strong enough to make tough decisions.
@@hakeemp4017 you can't be a cruel leader either. She's basically Westeros Hitler (killed hundreds of thousands+ innocent people). You think just because you can't be harmless you should commit genocide? So: no, its just terrible writing.
Zoroastrianism is a Vedic religion like hinduism is. And Hindustani, Rahjastanim, Punjabi and Persians, being indo-aryan, all stem from the same group of people!
The Cathars' dualism had its roots in Neo-Platonism. It was the idea that the body was evil because it was physical. In their thinking, what was beyond the physical was divine. The Gnostics thought like this, as did the Docetists--the latter believed that Jesus was merely a phantom. Later on, Manichaeism grew out of this.
In fact the cathares' is only developing ideas that are already in christianity (that has it's roots like you say). The manifest world is a lower order than spiritual orders (the triangle diagram) and is obviously imperfect. Imperfection is not divine and is therefore driven by satanic motives. The cathares took this idea to the next level.
I grew up in this very part of southern France (Toulouse) where the Cathares were wiped out by the crusade. It never occurred to me that the Lord of Light's religion in Martin's books could have found its inspiration in the Cathares but it actually makes some sense, it's nice. By the way, kind of glad to see that a bunch of you readers are actually able to see the possible connections with Gnosticism and even neo-platonism (you're still and you will stay a pack of nerds but that's all right because "Dieu reconnaîtra les siens"). Thank your for uploading
My mom wrote a book on Cathar Legends a few years after we moved in Southern France... We lived where Cathars built their civilization, and there was a lot of animations telling their story! We still have a good amount of what they built, whether it's still perfectly standing or in (almost) ruins... Anyways, I already knew GRRM was heavily influenced by European history, I'm glad he didn't forget my country! And even better, used history from where I spent almost a decade from teen to young adult! Peace from France y'all! 🍻
Chiming in that Waluigi is taller and skinnier than Luigi and Wario is the great big guy. So, Wario hat is the joke, but yeah. I get the joke. Humor processor #4207 activated. Result: Laughter. Ha, ha.
Seems particularly similar to Marcion and his conception of the evil Demiurge, which created the world and humans, and the kind Stranger God, which Jesus heralded and who brought salvation. Of some minor interest, Marcion put together the first gospel canon from the writings of Luke and Paul.
@Paraponera T The contradiction of style between YHWH of the OT and the Heavenly Father of the Gospel has been a source of contention and hot debate for literal millenia. It's the source of one of Christianity's oldest heresies, and even recently created denominations like the Church of Latter Day Saints has its own spin on the subject. Your confidence is, at best, misplaced.
I prefer watching these interviews to the actual shows now. Ever since the books ran out and the show became a very cardboard good vs evil yarn, I've lost interest.
WOOOPdoctorFROGhere Ever since the show surpassed the books it seems like the show is having more clear protagonists and antagonists-less deep characters. This is exactly the thing George tried to avoid in his books
Benjamin Douglas That’s true, she is a more morally ambiguous character. I just mean that Cersei and her ship man are clearly the bad guys, and they don’t seem to have any good in them. The opposite is true of Jon Snow, he seems completely good without any bad in him
Agreed. Would only need one season really. Her love affair with the princess, stealing the dragon eggs, then sailing west of westeros. Although a sequel could actually show all of her unwritten adventures I guess.
This theory on our world being created by the evil God and the real God trying to get us all out it kinda reminds me of the conversation between Melisandre and Princess shireen (wow GRRM your brilliant!)
look up Gnosticism too it has the same kind of thing. a lot of the early Christians were Gnostics who thought Jesus came from the true god and is our way to get back with him, and that the old testament god of material creation is the "bad" god that was himself created by the most high god who was also Jesus. I'm probably butchering a lot but Gnosticism is like an umbrella and not a strict set of beliefs anyway.
@subcomandante marcos Slave?? Have fun bending the knee to a tyrant that demands you don't enjoy the things he has given you nor ever question him. Enjoy knowing the one you worship has murdered thousands of creatures - children and innocents included. Enjoy kneeling to a monster that decided killing and torturing his own son was needed because he couldn't just forgive people for their sins...a son born out of rape as Mary had no ability to consent. Call me a simple person all you want - you worship a monster.
I am from Albi, the capital of the cathare country, we have a beautiful cathedral, the Sainte Cécile. It is the world's biggest historical building made out of red bricks. It was a peaceful religion but the king of France wanted it eradicated, so we had to fortify our buildings. Unfortunately we were wiped out, but the cathedral remains. There is also the Toulouse lautrec museum next to the cathedral, a famous contemporary artist from albi
A very strange event happend when a whole number of people born in Bath city England all claimed to be struggling with dreams from a past life I believe it was Tony Robinson who presented a documentary on it, the people who were experiencing the dreams had no idea of eachother yet they were all remembering similar events in their dream's, it turns out they were all Cathars in their previous lives and could remember the mass murder of it, it's very strange that a large number would go on to reincarnate and live within a city without even knowing how closely they were apart, really fascinating stuff
Love the Victarian Greyjoy chapter where the lord of light cured his hand and he threw the maester off the ship. This is after the male maester was complaining the iron born were raping him because he was handsome
From the moment I read about it and watched it in the show, I knew the R'hollor faith was based on Zoroastrism and Catar believes. And that it's in fact implied to be the true religion of that world.
actually, the old religion of Iranians before Zorrorastianisam was like there is one god(creator) before the time he had two sons(creations), son of light and son of darkness Ahora Mazda and Zarvan. and Azor Ahai name always reminded me of the name Ahora Mazda
The three wise men who visited Jesus with gifts IN HIS HOUSE a few years after he was born were Zoroastrians. They were searching for the anointed one for that new age.
The early Christians, particularly the rival sect lead by Jesus's brother James, were a heretical Jewish sect, as such, were like all Jews allied to the Persian Empire, and used the fact that Magi (Zoroastrian priests) were at the time searching the skies each year for a star, which would signal the coming of the Saoshyant, the Zoroastrian Messiah, who's imminent birth was expected. When the Roman's wiped out Jewish Christians, Romanised Pauline Christianity won out, and probably absorbed those tales, but with a less overt reference to the Persians.
@Pecu Alex The whole of Christ's story is fictional and has been re branded through out thousands of years and peoples. That's why many, many religions, years and miles apart have the same occurrences like the 3 kings visiting the birth, died and risen in 3 days, performed miracles, etc. It's a dramatized explanation of the changing constellations/ planetary movement above.
The three wise men from the east were Buddhist monks from Tibet, searching for the next "Dalai lama". Myrrh and incense are part of Buddhist prayer rituals not typical gifts for a child.
The Manichean religion, which sprang out of Persia in the 3rd century and influenced early christianity a great deal, also had a similiar dualis "good vs evil" system.
You don't know everything on the subject. It's one of the most complex episodes of religious and western european history. A five minutes fact spreading (with some of them wrong, but I can't blame him, giving the outline of the sbject in five minutes as he did is quite complex and admirable) isn't enough to understand the complexity of the subject and the ramifications it had.
Ive always said, that the best writers and story tellers understand dualism. It in itself is at the forefront of all human archetypes. Archetypes in general are cast throughout the spand of time, coinciding with great legends and stories. Some authors write about archetypes unknowing, only on the basis they reside in our psyche and our traditions, and some authors know the archetypes and their role. Those that know tend to write with depth that is palpable...as does George R R Martin.
@@andyrobertson58 Nope, there is just cognitive adults out there that can articulate an abstract idea, and put them into words that are above a 8th grade reading and comprehension level.
KP LLC Except that the universe is based on dualistic principles. Look at day and night, hot and cold, right and left, masculine and feminine, happiness and sadness. Most everything in our experience is dualistic so stating that dualism is childish shows an ignorance of one of the fundamental mechanics of life.
@@MichaelCorleone654 If you look deeper their is no difference. Day and night are not opposite just the position of the earth in relation to the sun. Happiness and sadness are emotions and they have no reality outside our brain. Masculine and feminine are two aspects of humanity. Dualism says there is a battle between good and evil. Monism says good and evil are just points of view. From a greater perspective there is no difference. GRRM even says he hates characters that are evil just to be evil. His characters have depth and you can argue that even the worst ones believe they are doing the right thing.
The Bosnian heresy, which was a mix of Arian, Bogumil and Cathar teachings survived and was a majority in the Bosnian Kingdom including the King and the Nobles being part of the heresy, survived from 11th century until the conquest of Bosnia by the Ottomans, when most Bogumils converted to Islam.
I like how if people actually studied theology, they'd realize and probably predict more than half of the modern day interpretations and stories. Just finding out about Greek religions (yes, including Paganism) opened my eyes to a lot of easily read symbolisms, ideologies, and beliefs in any sort of media -- including in real life. Then there are those who refuse to even study it because it has the word 'religion' in it. Its astounding.
@Pecu Alex Christ man, you don't have to go to a college to learn this crap, just go to a library or a bookstore and pick up a book or two on religions. Or use youtube and the internet. One of the biggest scams we've fallen for these days is that we need an institutional education system to learn, suprise suprise, we don't.
Predict how? Did it predict iphones or AI or something? No they dont. They all give vague predictions which you have to interpret to something extraordinary while its just banal. Religious texts do contain some ancient wisdom but as a whole , religion focuses on manipulation, large scale deception and a lack of critical thinking.
@@Ntnt11 In each soul is a part of both God of good and God of Evil, call it YHWH or Lucifer, Aesir or Vanir, call it karma or whatever whatever you believe its all the same thing in different takes. Where gods powers was used to give us life, creation, creativity, love, passion, inspiration, knowledge, fear, hatred, greed, death and destruction and the free will to do things we want and also change things we could, what've been given since we were animals is a piece of the gods to be shaped by the into their liking and serve them. Its that extra divinity that you've been given to use as you wish in this life or the next. Either you can be good, evil or somewhere in the grey. All there is to it is for you to reach higher enlightment, how you do it is your own quest and life. The goal is to reach such a high enlightment that you in a sense become as close to a god you can. The path each person take though and what truly happens after is not for us to decide. Enlightenment doesnt necessary mean either good or evil. So which way should we follow? How would you want to live together with the world and all life it nourishes. The choice is always our own. Ancient texts, religions, sagas, history, chemistry, psychics, psychology, anthropology and a bit of common fucking sense about the future of your offspring will probably lead the common human to a somewhat righteous path. But first the world needs balance and you just have to look outside to see that the world is suffering and we are the cause of it. For all we know the life we have is the most precious thing since true divinity is out of your reach no matter how much you want it, but you can still use the divinity the Gods gave you to do whats best in this life. May the gods watch over you all.
The Manichean Dualism of the Cathars was, in the far past, came from earlier Christian Gnostic heresies that were heavily influenced by the Persian religion of Zoroastrianism. The main difference is that in Zoroastrianism, material creation was a force of good, for it sustained life through neverending change (a sort of mystical evolution), and fire was considered holy. The evil god was a god of decay, death and stagnation.
Growing up I always thought God and the Devil were brothers of equal power that were feuding for control of the cosmos. That their struggle was a war fought with souls instead of for souls. My orthodox family didn't care for the idea but I still think it would make a cool movie.
I kept thinking I’d heard the title Lord of light somewhere before and I finally remembered where. Thundar the Barbarian use to say that in the cartoon. Who remembers Thundar The Barbarian?
@@invertedgames7993 Cathars favoured a diet close to veganism (fish were considered okay) and believed that we are souls trapped in matter (matter being the stuff of the evil universe) and that procreation trapped more souls here.
Maybe its because I've been replaying Skyrim lately but "the world created by an evil god that the good god is trying to get us out of", and that the physical realm is sort of inherently evil, reminds me a lot of the in-game lore where the Thalmor outlaw the worship of the trickster/creator god and basically want to the destroy the world to go back to the "good 'ol days" of being eternal spirits. The Elder Scrolls games also took loose inspiration from Hinduism, Thelema, and other gnostic christian/dualistic religions like GRRM did here, so it's cool to see how different writers create and tweak ideas from similar sources.
i know many zoroastarians...they are complicated . but you must know zoroastarianism based on mithra cult.mithra cult is the thing you guys need to read about that.
Hearing all this makes it very clear. Such simple things and writing he produces. Dany had to forget about Euron. With every word he's saying it becomes more clear. /s
i've only watched the first season of got and casually read wikipedia on the books, but i noticed how much he took from real world history and inserted it in his books in processed form. tolkien did similar, just with mythology.
The lord of Light is from Mandaism that is an ancient monotheistic religion in Southern Iraq that predates Ibrahim and Zoroastranism, God is considered the lord of light
GRRM: Genius loremaker who weaves the Lord of Light into Westeros mythology. D&D: LoL is like some dude that grants miracles and then fucks off lololol.
Using the story we have so far. The Night king (winter is coming) is the champion of darkness ruled above the wall in opposition to the Lord of Light ( Dany brakes the wheel. ) But I think there is a third God a (Demilitarized zone God.) A referee if you will who rules during a stalemate. Like the Maesters.. It gives both Gods Equal moves. With the Creation of Danny move = birth of John counter-move. This is the time most of the World were in until the first season.. A Celestial Timer (the Astrolabe) set by the generation of the coming of the Comet like a starter pistol. Then each God began making there moves shown as Gear-works.
Before I even saw this, I figured he based “lord of light” on Christianity/Abrahamism & Zoroastrianism. He says here that he based “lord of light” religion on Zoroastrianism & Gnostic Cathars. I don’t see Gnostic cathars, because Melisandre was doing the burning of people, when the real world Cathars were the ones being burned in mass. I connect the “lord of light” to Abrahamic religions specifically Christianity in all of its forms. Christianity was the one burning people in mass, because they did not want to give up the old folk faith of their forefathers. When it comes to Gnostic faith, there’s a lot that’s open for speculation, because no one can really pin point exactly what the Gnostics believed. Gnostics of old were even criticised, because they were so unorganised, there wasn’t really any dogma in Gnosticism. Yes, many modern scholars will tell you that Gnostics had a very negative view of the physical reality, and matter, that they had a ani-nature view. Many modern sources will tell you that Gnostics believed this physical world to be the creation of the Demiurge the evil lesser god, and that physical reality/material world is a material prison, and even physical bodies are a material prison that traps the spirit. I don’t agree with them. There are some scholars today, like for example John Lash who disagree with most scholars on Gnostics, and say that Gnostics didn’t have a negative view of matter, earth, nature, or physical body. He even goes so far as to say that planet Earth is goddess Sophia. I agree with him. I don’t believe Gnostics saw this planet and nature as evil, or as a prison. I think Gnostics aligned with the views of old, pre-Christian, indigenous Europeans pagan cultures like Nordic, Teutonic, Slavic, and Celtic, who all saw earth and nature as divine & sacred. If anything, it is Christianity who taught its followers that the earth is Satan’s world, and that earth is a place of punishment where god banished Adam & Eve to, when he kicked them out of garden of Eden
I think that melissandra is conflicted with her belief but only a bit. She starting to see that fate is not black and white. Cersei don't give two shits now. And will try to fight fate tooth and nail.
lol... The less cersei the better... :D Is anyone not yet bored of that shallow character? Martin is a good writer, but the story has few holes. Cersei is one such hole, no pun intended. :D
You mean the black priest ? It's Moqorro. In the books, he's a high ranking cleric of R'hllor sent to Meereen by his hierarchy to announce to Daenerys that she's their chosen one.
Interesting choice to include that in. Of course Martin's world is filled with ruthlessness so it makes sense that this religion would come about for the common folk.
I have always thought the lord of light is George RR Martin. When you think about it, the lord of light only shows up when a miracle is needed or to move the plot along. So he uses the lord of light when he gets lazy or needs to kill someone and needs to bring them back.
While at battlefield of winterfell lord of light , darkness , white walker , magic , wirewoods (old god ) are at war the *light of seven* relaxing somewhere on space enjoying battle with popcorn
I remember reading that "kill them all" when I was in elementary school. These moments in history made me a dropout from all major religions/churches. I have my visions of gods and entities, and it's way different from human BS churches created over the years.
He forgot to mention that said Albigensian heresy is a direct continuation of similar heresies in parts of present day Italy, Austria, Germany, Croatia, Bosnia (where it was extremely pronounced) etc, all stemming from the Bogomil Heresy of Bulgaria. And yes it, along with all its Western European spinoffs were directly influenced from Zoroastrianism, which many of the Bulgarians were subscribing to prior to the official adoption of Christianity in 9th century
Just be aware that no modern day American or European (or almost none) would accept Albigensianism--certainly, not the part that sex is bad and that you had to commit suicide by starvation once you renounced sex and then realized you weren't going keep that commitment after all. Zoroastrians did not go for such extreme beliefs despite being dualistic.
oh, that makes so much sense, because you never hear people of other faith talking about the darkness and the world's end, it's just the followers of Lord of Light who say that. Because it's a dualist religion, they actually believe that the Lord of Light is actively at war with the evil and they need more people on the Lord of Light's side. And are actively looking for the savior, Azor Ahai
This guy knows so much about game of thrones, what a nerd.
Ubi Vermis Cerritulus Exactly! It’s like he wrote the whole thing.
Haha
@@lowbeatzz7742 Honestly I bet he could write the story better than the original author.
Its the author...
Rwhoooosh
@@krisbrag87 "Rwhoooosh" is the sound of this comment thread flying over your cranium.
I feel like this guy should have written the final season of game of thrones.
tincho he wrote a handful of episodes so it would've been pretty cool if he wrote these six episodes then he could go back to writing winds
Well he'll be writing the final book, that's ten times better.
In an interview he said that his book ending will be pretty similar to the d&d one... Ye it will surely be more detailed and "bookish", not so hurried, but we already know deny will die and bran will be king, not so much suspance
@tincho Well they basicly did give up by denying HBOs offer to extend GOT to 10 seasons, and refusing to make 10 episodes for season 8, by saying: "No we can handle this in 6". And then went to work on Star Wars.
@greenapplepear it is not more or less. It is definately less. Essentially George gave the Dnd bullet points of what will happen.
It is like a master painter giving two 4 years old the acess to all the paints and canvas in the workshop...... Guess what happen to the studio. That is right a mess.
Just because you are given the great crayon and canvas doesn't mean the painting will turn out well.
during this interview i found myself setting aside all the work that he's written, and marveling at all the work he must have read in his life. this man is a great example of what humans are capable when we utilize our gifts.
“The Catholics refuted this argument by killing them all”.
Edit: Whooaaa, thanks for 3,193 likes y’all. (October 2021)
"Hmmm, interesting point of view. But have you considered my axe in your face ?"
That seemed to happen a lot back in the day.
@@incomments2864 Yeah, you could say that even the North fucking Korea is more mentally advanced.
@@incomments2864 you from the inquisition?
@@thegrimknight9766 .
It's so good to see Martin so knowledgeable about a part of history that is so often forgotten and not studied
Yeah. Especially catholic instigated genocide which is taken for granted and looked on positively at least in the west
So it’s so clear why regular Hollywood producer figures can never aspire to write the kind of things George does. There is a deep well of historical, religious and philosophical analysis here that goes into creating all the actions of the ASOIAF saga. Hence, the shocking letdown that Season 8 is: a glorified popcorn fan-fiction
They’ve had much less time to work with. They are trying to adapt a story that doesn’t have an end to it that first got published the 90s. It’s been over 20 years in the making. Martin took basically the entirety of the show’s creation to write one book and it isn’t even the final book. I think they did a pretty good job considering the amount of time. It’s a quality tv show.
George puts in the same level of research which made Stanley Kubrick great
Naw, its just that good writing takes work and dedications....hollywood writing is all about following a formular to make some quick cash because most people have shit for standards.
Hakageryuu that would just be a confusing experience. If you did that with any long running tv show it would be confusing. I’m not really sure what you mean. How can you fully appreciate any story if you get just the last quarter of it? I have criticisms on the show I just don’t think the blatant rabid hate for everything the show is doing is warranted. I thought the whole Dorne storyline was a misstep but some good character development came out of it and their battle against Euron and capture by Cersei were pretty good moments in the show. Euron needed at least another season of development to make him a better villain. Also the story was definitely being rushed along the past couple seasons so we could come to the conclusion by the end of this season which does suck but it’s not show ruining. My criticisms come mostly from wanting the show to run longer. I think 10 full seasons would’ve been great. However we did not get that and that’s fine because the show is still good. Most of the criticism I hear past that just sounds like hating on the show just to hate on it. A lot of the talk of plot holes and poor writing decisions seem to be made by people who just haven’t been paying attention to the details or parroting the same criticisms made by their favorite UA-camr. There’s rarely any constructive criticism it’s mostly just hate. I hate this decisions because I just do. I hate this decision because D&D are hacks. I hate this decision because I can’t see the details leading up to it so it doesn’t make sense to me. I think the writing is still solid. Have there been missteps? Of course but not nearly enough to ruin the show. I think Game of Thrones has consistently been the best show on tv every season it’s been out. If there’s been anything better I’d love to know what so I can start watching it.
Because writer love to write for the love of it. Hollywood writers want to pass a fucking political message.
Straight-up gold from the master of How to Monetise Your History Degree 😂
add tons of boobs and few dragons...
This isn't Tolkein.
@@MrYouarethecancer r/weirdflexbutokay
@@MrYouarethecancer Tolkein was a linguist.
@@MrYouarethecancer
I "ooooohhh"-ed and had to think fast to make it into a cough so everyone didn't think I was absolutely insane.
Who knew Santa was such a scholar?
What do you think he does the other 364 days of the year
You mean the Coca-Cola mascot?
Everyone who is at least somewhat interested in history knows this stuff, its part of the basics...
if this is santa that would explain why I never got my puppy. he probably died. maybe they all died. god what have I DONE!
And all I wished was Winds of Winter for Christmas...
“The devil is a loser”. So true lmao, I love you George
This man’s knowledge of history is encyclopedic. A great deal of the events in his books are based on actual history. He’s truly a brilliant.
George truly is a national treasure.
*international
He’ll never finish if you keep distracting him with all these damn interviews!!!
- it’s not a distraction.
- is he writting ?
- No.
- So it’s a distraction.
The fact that Game of Thrones is inspired by real historic events is one of the reasons I watch it. That, and the nudity, torture, and dragons.
Patrick Bateman Haven’t you got some videotapes to return?
And zombies.......
Patrick Bateman me too
Thats a good one. :D
Oh...you mean real history. 😂
Redeem us, George! Give us a good ending! The death of the show musnt have been in vain!!
@Scott Summers youre right the directing acting etc is amazing. everything but the writing is great
The writing is real and most of you can't deal in reality. You watch your friend get her head cut off, lose a dragon you raised, and have people coming against you in betrayal all the while. A mental breakdown is coming, whether you want it or not isn't up for discussion. Just forget about her traumas and many sacrifices in patience and love. She experienced the end of it all many times over. I say "Kill them all, God will sort them out" too. The people of Kings landing were far from innocent and before you ask "What do I mean?" It's a place of peasants who praise and abide by men who kill for them. That's the reality of the situation. A person of any moral integrity would've been a wildling or at Winterfell. My point is most people don't know how they would've handled 1/3 of what she's been through. Consider all things in context.
@@hakeemp4017 The problem is that the buildup was far too short. In my opinion they should have build her insanity up for at least ~ 10 episodes. In the books George R Martin is slowly building up Mad Dany; that simply wasnt the case in the series.
@@kashay4415 That's just the consequence of a Hollywood hbo budget. They're in it for the business. I think she considered all things in fairness and respect to those she had conflict with before they began suffering consequences for their choices. You can't be a sweet ruler, people will try to run over you and it can make people wonder if you're strong enough to make tough decisions.
@@hakeemp4017 you can't be a cruel leader either. She's basically Westeros Hitler (killed hundreds of thousands+ innocent people). You think just because you can't be harmless you should commit genocide?
So: no, its just terrible writing.
The Zoroastrians escaped their lands and found refuge in India. I have so many Zoroastrian friends and they’re amazing people.
Omkar Sukthankar Zoroastrianism was founded in Iran and we were neighbours to India
@Bobert Wiltshire
He was speaking about his friends lol
Zoroastrianism is a Vedic religion like hinduism is. And Hindustani, Rahjastanim, Punjabi and Persians, being indo-aryan, all stem from the same group of people!
@@kingdomofthesaintful well the indian guy knows this and the rest of what you mentioned are languages not religions or people
@@devarshraval4692 Zoroastrianism still exists in Iran like Yazd and other such cities.
He is so in peace with himself. I just love to hear him talk
The Cathars' dualism had its roots in Neo-Platonism. It was the idea that the body was evil because it was physical. In their thinking, what was beyond the physical was divine. The Gnostics thought like this, as did the Docetists--the latter believed that Jesus was merely a phantom. Later on, Manichaeism grew out of this.
That is not neo-platanism
And all of them were inspired by the Bogomilists, who were first inspired by the Paulicians.
In fact the cathares' is only developing ideas that are already in christianity (that has it's roots like you say). The manifest world is a lower order than spiritual orders (the triangle diagram) and is obviously imperfect. Imperfection is not divine and is therefore driven by satanic motives. The cathares took this idea to the next level.
"...and the Catholics refuted this argument by killing them all."
XDXDXD
I grew up in this very part of southern France (Toulouse) where the Cathares were wiped out by the crusade. It never occurred to me that the Lord of Light's religion in Martin's books could have found its inspiration in the Cathares but it actually makes some sense, it's nice. By the way, kind of glad to see that a bunch of you readers are actually able to see the possible connections with Gnosticism and even neo-platonism (you're still and you will stay a pack of nerds but that's all right because "Dieu reconnaîtra les siens"). Thank your for uploading
Religions are advertising agencies for a product that doesn’t exist.
"Kill them all, God will know his own." - a 'Holy, God Fearing Man'
I AM A GODLY MAN!
-- Krastur
I don’t know about that. A god fearing man wouldn’t have killed many without knowing who is who. I don’t
Is that what the quotes are for? Lol
@@CliffTooth he's making fun of the astounding hypocrisy showcased by medieval Christians.
@@CliffTooth yes that's what they're for
I like listening to George talk. I don't really listen to what he says but it works great before bed!
That was funny *laughing
lol I also fell asleep to this video
Omg me too ahah after 1 min I’m not even listening anymore
So true
Same lol
My mom wrote a book on Cathar Legends a few years after we moved in Southern France...
We lived where Cathars built their civilization, and there was a lot of animations telling their story!
We still have a good amount of what they built, whether it's still perfectly standing or in (almost) ruins...
Anyways, I already knew GRRM was heavily influenced by European history, I'm glad he didn't forget my country!
And even better, used history from where I spent almost a decade from teen to young adult!
Peace from France y'all! 🍻
I am surprised you can speak english ! :D greetings from Germany :D
Where's his Waluigi hat?
GDI lmao something seemed odd and I couldn’t put my finger in it
Wario surely, come on.
Chiming in that Waluigi is taller and skinnier than Luigi and Wario is the great big guy. So, Wario hat is the joke, but yeah. I get the joke. Humor processor #4207 activated. Result: Laughter. Ha, ha.
Right! It's an imposter!
The Cathars were also a resurgence of the early Christian Gnostics, who had essentially the same dualist belief
Seems particularly similar to Marcion and his conception of the evil Demiurge, which created the world and humans, and the kind Stranger God, which Jesus heralded and who brought salvation. Of some minor interest, Marcion put together the first gospel canon from the writings of Luke and Paul.
Cathars were killed because they said the old testament god was the devil
Krummi they were right the Jewish god in the Old Testament is pretty evil. Causing famines , genociding Egyptians etc.
@Paraponera T you sound stupid
@Paraponera T
The contradiction of style between YHWH of the OT and the Heavenly Father of the Gospel has been a source of contention and hot debate for literal millenia. It's the source of one of Christianity's oldest heresies, and even recently created denominations like the Church of Latter Day Saints has its own spin on the subject. Your confidence is, at best, misplaced.
I prefer watching these interviews to the actual shows now. Ever since the books ran out and the show became a very cardboard good vs evil yarn, I've lost interest.
WOOOPdoctorFROGhere Ever since the show surpassed the books it seems like the show is having more clear protagonists and antagonists-less deep characters. This is exactly the thing George tried to avoid in his books
Did you watch last week's episode? Dani is going mad, the main protagonist of the whole series is gonna turn evil.
Benjamin Douglas That’s true, she is a more morally ambiguous character. I just mean that Cersei and her ship man are clearly the bad guys, and they don’t seem to have any good in them. The opposite is true of Jon Snow, he seems completely good without any bad in him
Johnny Fry True
I miss the glory days when Tywin was still around 😐😥😢😭
Elissa Farman, sailor of my heart, deserves a TV show / movie of her own
Agreed. Would only need one season really. Her love affair with the princess, stealing the dragon eggs, then sailing west of westeros. Although a sequel could actually show all of her unwritten adventures I guess.
I would love for George to be my history teacher
You would become Dumb Just like him. (Maybe You already are)
isnt the clitoris basically just a tiny penis? lol just kidding yeah I find him compelling too fuck the haters.
When I hear the context of this stuff I'm blown away, no wonder this is the fiction of our generation.
@bobby kotata
And which generation exactly? Or more like - what does it have to do with any generation? :D
one piece better
bobby kotata perfect trolling open-ended question. Way to go being a douchebag
Love this dude, i wish he did seminars on history so young aspiring writers can get ideas from his teachings
This theory on our world being created by the evil God and the real God trying to get us all out it kinda reminds me of the conversation between Melisandre and Princess shireen (wow GRRM your brilliant!)
look up Gnosticism too it has the same kind of thing. a lot of the early Christians were Gnostics who thought Jesus came from the true god and is our way to get back with him, and that the old testament god of material creation is the "bad" god that was himself created by the most high god who was also Jesus. I'm probably butchering a lot but Gnosticism is like an umbrella and not a strict set of beliefs anyway.
Jon."what kind of god would do something like that?"...Melisandre." The one we've got"
The biggest argument against God being good is that Hell sounds like a great time. Sex, orgies, drugs, gambling, alcohol, gluttony, etc etc.
Gnosticism......
@subcomandante marcos Slave?? Have fun bending the knee to a tyrant that demands you don't enjoy the things he has given you nor ever question him.
Enjoy knowing the one you worship has murdered thousands of creatures - children and innocents included.
Enjoy kneeling to a monster that decided killing and torturing his own son was needed because he couldn't just forgive people for their sins...a son born out of rape as Mary had no ability to consent.
Call me a simple person all you want - you worship a monster.
Thanks Lord of Light for lighting up the 3rd episode
I am from Albi, the capital of the cathare country, we have a beautiful cathedral, the Sainte Cécile. It is the world's biggest historical building made out of red bricks. It was a peaceful religion but the king of France wanted it eradicated, so we had to fortify our buildings. Unfortunately we were wiped out, but the cathedral remains. There is also the Toulouse lautrec museum next to the cathedral, a famous contemporary artist from albi
every line he says feels like the ending of Game Of Thrones
The Albigensians really just were straight up 1st century Gnostic Christians pt 2: Electric Boogaloo
I love this man for the fact he knows his history.
*European history
Amen for that. Which is a good thing.
@@ericbrooks939 who cares about anywhere else
I really enjoy listening to him talk in all his interviews
I am the Lord of Latte
Lord of Late, my power is bad timing
I think you misspelled it. It is called the Lord of Light.
@@jackenvexnaros231 He was joking, "latte" is a type of coffee made with espresso and hot steamed milk
@@scrotiemcboogerballs2133 yeah.... I thought my joke was obvious, but I guess not.
Jacken Vex Naros just not funny
A very strange event happend when a whole number of people born in Bath city England all claimed to be struggling with dreams from a past life I believe it was Tony Robinson who presented a documentary on it, the people who were experiencing the dreams had no idea of eachother yet they were all remembering similar events in their dream's, it turns out they were all Cathars in their previous lives and could remember the mass murder of it, it's very strange that a large number would go on to reincarnate and live within a city without even knowing how closely they were apart, really fascinating stuff
Love the Victarian Greyjoy chapter where the lord of light cured his hand and he threw the maester off the ship. This is after the male maester was complaining the iron born were raping him because he was handsome
If only Victarion was on the show. So much missed opportunity for both him and Stannis.
From the moment I read about it and watched it in the show, I knew the R'hollor faith was based on Zoroastrism and Catar believes. And that it's in fact implied to be the true religion of that world.
actually, the old religion of Iranians before Zorrorastianisam was like there is one god(creator) before the time he had two sons(creations), son of light and son of darkness
Ahora Mazda and Zarvan. and Azor Ahai name always reminded me of the name Ahora Mazda
What about their quippy step-brother Aloha Toyota?
sisi swan , now Mazda is a car. He's come down a long way....
@@villikuha7387 And their roman cousin gaius prius
@@maskedmarvyl4774 well that,s also is inspired by this
@@villikuha7387 never heard of him must be fun to hang out with
Need to date these interviews my man
The three wise men who visited Jesus with gifts IN HIS HOUSE a few years after he was born were Zoroastrians. They were searching for the anointed one for that new age.
The early Christians, particularly the rival sect lead by Jesus's brother James, were a heretical Jewish sect, as such, were like all Jews allied to the Persian Empire, and used the fact that Magi (Zoroastrian priests) were at the time searching the skies each year for a star, which would signal the coming of the Saoshyant, the Zoroastrian Messiah, who's imminent birth was expected. When the Roman's wiped out Jewish Christians, Romanised Pauline Christianity won out, and probably absorbed those tales, but with a less overt reference to the Persians.
@Pecu Alex The whole of Christ's story is fictional and has been re branded through out thousands of years and peoples. That's why many, many religions, years and miles apart have the same occurrences like the 3 kings visiting the birth, died and risen in 3 days, performed miracles, etc. It's a dramatized explanation of the changing constellations/ planetary movement above.
The idea that the wise men were three in number came later--it does not appear in the Bible.
@@DarthPlato Right, it's only because they brought 3 gifts; gold, frankincense, and myrrh.
The three wise men from the east were Buddhist monks from Tibet, searching for the next "Dalai lama". Myrrh and incense are part of Buddhist prayer rituals not typical gifts for a child.
I feel like he teaches me more about history than history teachers know themselves
GRRM: *mentions Cathars*
CK2 players: My greatest foe, we meet again
You know, Martin has some kind of dark/weird sense of humor that I absolutely love it.
The Manichean religion, which sprang out of Persia in the 3rd century and influenced early christianity a great deal, also had a similiar dualis "good vs evil" system.
I knew nothing about this subject but now I know everything about this subject.
Your doing internet correctly.
You should fact-check GRRM. He's getting a few points wrong
You don't know everything on the subject. It's one of the most complex episodes of religious and western european history. A five minutes fact spreading (with some of them wrong, but I can't blame him, giving the outline of the sbject in five minutes as he did is quite complex and admirable) isn't enough to understand the complexity of the subject and the ramifications it had.
Elvathar is the only one that somewhat gets my comment. I’m doing what millions do - getting an internet education
@@k.v.7681 You said it better
Ive always said, that the best writers and story tellers understand dualism. It in itself is at the forefront of all human archetypes. Archetypes in general are cast throughout the spand of time, coinciding with great legends and stories. Some authors write about archetypes unknowing, only on the basis they reside in our psyche and our traditions, and some authors know the archetypes and their role. Those that know tend to write with depth that is palpable...as does George R R Martin.
Matt Melnarik trying to be a smart arse with a copy and paste 🤦♂️
@@andyrobertson58 Nope, there is just cognitive adults out there that can articulate an abstract idea, and put them into words that are above a 8th grade reading and comprehension level.
I have always felt dualism was childish.
KP LLC Except that the universe is based on dualistic principles. Look at day and night, hot and cold, right and left, masculine and feminine, happiness and sadness. Most everything in our experience is dualistic so stating that dualism is childish shows an ignorance of one of the fundamental mechanics of life.
@@MichaelCorleone654 If you look deeper their is no difference. Day and night are not opposite just the position of the earth in relation to the sun. Happiness and sadness are emotions and they have no reality outside our brain. Masculine and feminine are two aspects of humanity. Dualism says there is a battle between good and evil. Monism says good and evil are just points of view. From a greater perspective there is no difference. GRRM even says he hates characters that are evil just to be evil. His characters have depth and you can argue that even the worst ones believe they are doing the right thing.
The night is dark and full of terrors.
Interesting think, Cathars was inspired from the Bogomils of the Firts Bulgarian Empire. Ithink they too was pursued and killed all.
The Bosnian heresy, which was a mix of Arian, Bogumil and Cathar teachings survived and was a majority in the Bosnian Kingdom including the King and the Nobles being part of the heresy, survived from 11th century until the conquest of Bosnia by the Ottomans, when most Bogumils converted to Islam.
If GRRM directed and wrote the scripts for GOT alone it would’ve went like 13 seasons lol
personally i believe a little more seasons than that. they left out a lot of characters and a much bigger budget.
Lord of Light is system admin
D&D to Lord of Light: sudo rm -rf /
I like how if people actually studied theology, they'd realize and probably predict more than half of the modern day interpretations and stories. Just finding out about Greek religions (yes, including Paganism) opened my eyes to a lot of easily read symbolisms, ideologies, and beliefs in any sort of media -- including in real life.
Then there are those who refuse to even study it because it has the word 'religion' in it. Its astounding.
@Jon Snow Don't swear to make your point more persuasive. It makes you seem even more ignorant than the person you just commented on.
@Pecu Alex Christ man, you don't have to go to a college to learn this crap, just go to a library or a bookstore and pick up a book or two on religions. Or use youtube and the internet. One of the biggest scams we've fallen for these days is that we need an institutional education system to learn, suprise suprise, we don't.
Predict how? Did it predict iphones or AI or something? No they dont. They all give vague predictions which you have to interpret to something extraordinary while its just banal. Religious texts do contain some ancient wisdom but as a whole , religion focuses on manipulation, large scale deception and a lack of critical thinking.
@@Ntnt11 In each soul is a part of both God of good and God of Evil, call it YHWH or Lucifer, Aesir or Vanir, call it karma or whatever whatever you believe its all the same thing in different takes.
Where gods powers was used to give us life, creation, creativity, love, passion, inspiration, knowledge, fear, hatred, greed, death and destruction and the free will to do things we want and also change things we could, what've been given since we were animals is a piece of the gods to be shaped by the into their liking and serve them. Its that extra divinity that you've been given to use as you wish in this life or the next.
Either you can be good, evil or somewhere in the grey. All there is to it is for you to reach higher enlightment, how you do it is your own quest and life. The goal is to reach such a high enlightment that you in a sense become as close to a god you can. The path each person take though and what truly happens after is not for us to decide. Enlightenment doesnt necessary mean either good or evil. So which way should we follow?
How would you want to live together with the world and all life it nourishes. The choice is always our own.
Ancient texts, religions, sagas, history, chemistry, psychics, psychology, anthropology and a bit of common fucking sense about the future of your offspring will probably lead the common human to a somewhat righteous path. But first the world needs balance and you just have to look outside to see that the world is suffering and we are the cause of it. For all we know the life we have is the most precious thing since true divinity is out of your reach no matter how much you want it, but you can still use the divinity the Gods gave you to do whats best in this life.
May the gods watch over you all.
Religions are political ideologies centered in the belief of supernatural realities.
Thumbnail takeaway: Idris Elba is the Lord of Light
Jesus was Black.
Moqorro.
Ethan C makes sense
El Duderino 😂😂😂😂
Jim Morrison real jews are black so stfu whitey
The Manichean Dualism of the Cathars was, in the far past, came from earlier Christian Gnostic heresies that were heavily influenced by the Persian religion of Zoroastrianism. The main difference is that in Zoroastrianism, material creation was a force of good, for it sustained life through neverending change (a sort of mystical evolution), and fire was considered holy. The evil god was a god of decay, death and stagnation.
Growing up I always thought God and the Devil were brothers of equal power that were feuding for control of the cosmos. That their struggle was a war fought with souls instead of for souls. My orthodox family didn't care for the idea but I still think it would make a cool movie.
That battle is happening right now.
@Petr Kinkal
You’re right my bad
The cathars were right.
If this guy knows so much he should just finish the books 🥱
I always thought in a sense that the lord of light is George RR Martin if he was a character in the show but never had an appearance.
Idk if he'd write himself as the cause to the death of Shireen
Jack M she’s not even dead yet in the books..
@FuckYouAllToPieces He's actually jewish so the sense of Santa Claus doesn't exist.
@FuckYouAllToPieces wdym nooooo which comment are you replying to.
George IS the one who brings characters back to life. .if he feels like it
People should check on google "Carcassonne" a former cathar city. It is a wonderful place.
If God is all good he can't be all powerful and if he's all powerful he cannot be all good
@@BlueSky-vd6qh fucking dummy
Ahhh,.. Fundamentalist Atheist. How cute.
@@gunbutter830 nope use logic and you will reach a dead end , dummy
I kept thinking I’d heard the title Lord of light somewhere before and I finally remembered where. Thundar the Barbarian use to say that in the cartoon. Who remembers Thundar The Barbarian?
sounds like a cool religion.
*we should bring it back*
Only good for vegans and people who hate sex.
how so?
@@invertedgames7993 Cathars favoured a diet close to veganism (fish were considered okay) and believed that we are souls trapped in matter (matter being the stuff of the evil universe) and that procreation trapped more souls here.
Interesting concept. So if they are right, the god of good lost ?
@@En_theo No, they believed that the world we live in was always a creation of the evil god.
Maybe its because I've been replaying Skyrim lately but "the world created by an evil god that the good god is trying to get us out of", and that the physical realm is sort of inherently evil, reminds me a lot of the in-game lore where the Thalmor outlaw the worship of the trickster/creator god and basically want to the destroy the world to go back to the "good 'ol days" of being eternal spirits. The Elder Scrolls games also took loose inspiration from Hinduism, Thelema, and other gnostic christian/dualistic religions like GRRM did here, so it's cool to see how different writers create and tweak ideas from similar sources.
He sounds exactly like Gwildor from the Master of the Universe movie haha
account oh my god you are so riiiiight!!!!!
@@KingBuddha84 "I was gonna share! I was gonna share!" -- Gwildor, on first discovering BBQ chicken wings
The best writer of our time.
I liked the show's ending but if I want a truly satisfying ending I know the books are where I'll need to find that
Shows ending sucked
Actually, the name is taken from Martin's longtime friend, Roger Zelazny. In the novel of the same name, it's the title of Buddha
actually it's not.
Feroxing12
Actually it’s yes
i know many zoroastarians...they are complicated . but you must know zoroastarianism based on mithra cult.mithra cult is the thing you guys need to read about that.
sorry for typos
It now makes sense where he got his religion from for the books.
The truth/history/reality is always stranger than fiction.
Hearing all this makes it very clear. Such simple things and writing he produces. Dany had to forget about Euron. With every word he's saying it becomes more clear. /s
ah.. George RR Martin. The Lord of Late
Good one.
i've only watched the first season of got and casually read wikipedia on the books, but i noticed how much he took from real world history and inserted it in his books in processed form. tolkien did similar, just with mythology.
Great history lesson by the GOAT
Such an educated, brilliant man
The lord of Light is from Mandaism that is an ancient monotheistic religion in Southern Iraq that predates Ibrahim and Zoroastranism, God is considered the lord of light
Wow! This universe is so cool! Too bad the show stopped after season 3
GRRM: Genius loremaker who weaves the Lord of Light into Westeros mythology.
D&D: LoL is like some dude that grants miracles and then fucks off lololol.
Using the story we have so far. The Night king (winter is coming) is the champion of darkness ruled above the wall in opposition to the Lord of Light ( Dany brakes the wheel. ) But I think there is a third God a (Demilitarized zone God.) A referee if you will who rules during a stalemate. Like the Maesters.. It gives both Gods Equal moves. With the Creation of Danny move = birth of John counter-move. This is the time most of the World were in until the first season.. A Celestial Timer (the Astrolabe) set by the generation of the coming of the Comet like a starter pistol. Then each God began making there moves shown as Gear-works.
I am Iranian/Persian and Zoroastrian.
Tell Melisandre to quit using leeches. Gurl is nas-tay.
Ok ‘John Smith’
This man knows everything who needs the show when I can jus take history from R.R
Praise the lord of light🔥
Verse Squared for the night is dark and full of terrors.
Before I even saw this, I figured he based “lord of light” on Christianity/Abrahamism & Zoroastrianism. He says here that he based “lord of light” religion on Zoroastrianism & Gnostic Cathars. I don’t see Gnostic cathars, because Melisandre was doing the burning of people, when the real world Cathars were the ones being burned in mass. I connect the “lord of light” to Abrahamic religions specifically Christianity in all of its forms. Christianity was the one burning people in mass, because they did not want to give up the old folk faith of their forefathers. When it comes to Gnostic faith, there’s a lot that’s open for speculation, because no one can really pin point exactly what the Gnostics believed. Gnostics of old were even criticised, because they were so unorganised, there wasn’t really any dogma in Gnosticism. Yes, many modern scholars will tell you that Gnostics had a very negative view of the physical reality, and matter, that they had a ani-nature view. Many modern sources will tell you that Gnostics believed this physical world to be the creation of the Demiurge the evil lesser god, and that physical reality/material world is a material prison, and even physical bodies are a material prison that traps the spirit. I don’t agree with them. There are some scholars today, like for example John Lash who disagree with most scholars on Gnostics, and say that Gnostics didn’t have a negative view of matter, earth, nature, or physical body. He even goes so far as to say that planet Earth is goddess Sophia. I agree with him. I don’t believe Gnostics saw this planet and nature as evil, or as a prison. I think Gnostics aligned with the views of old, pre-Christian, indigenous Europeans pagan cultures like Nordic, Teutonic, Slavic, and Celtic, who all saw earth and nature as divine & sacred. If anything, it is Christianity who taught its followers that the earth is Satan’s world, and that earth is a place of punishment where god banished Adam & Eve to, when he kicked them out of garden of Eden
Hmm, Cathars were harmful and destructive people
This is why I think the greatest meeting that could ever happen in game of thrones would be between Cersei and Melissandre.
Wouldn’t they both be standing there, looking at each other, saying “this bitch...”
I think that melissandra is conflicted with her belief but only a bit. She starting to see that fate is not black and white. Cersei don't give two shits now. And will try to fight fate tooth and nail.
lol... The less cersei the better... :D Is anyone not yet bored of that shallow character? Martin is a good writer, but the story has few holes. Cersei is one such hole, no pun intended. :D
Cersei is unpredictable, which means entertaining.
It all depends on what they want, but I love both characters, i cant predict, that is why it would be cool
who else feels like their in history class when listening to him talk about the lore of GOT
The white walkers are the good guys
No they aren't.
White Walkers are earth's magical revenge upon the rich empires of GoT for their vice and excesses. May they be victorious!
Well guess they lost huh ;)
Varthaer Fallen Yeah shame. Maybe NK has respawned in the land of always winter lol
@@DH33.0 maybeeee
Where is the pic from the still shot for video from? (Not George RR Martin, the other guy)
You mean the black priest ? It's Moqorro. In the books, he's a high ranking cleric of R'hllor sent to Meereen by his hierarchy to announce to Daenerys that she's their chosen one.
TheFiresloth ah thank you !
Evil God damn it, I love this man
Interesting choice to include that in. Of course Martin's world is filled with ruthlessness so it makes sense that this religion would come about for the common folk.
He is so smart
I have always thought the lord of light is George RR Martin. When you think about it, the lord of light only shows up when a miracle is needed or to move the plot along. So he uses the lord of light when he gets lazy or needs to kill someone and needs to bring them back.
Zoroastrians, so few left in the world , luckily I have known quite a few in my city Karachi
What are they like?
@@Music1222 They carry three katanas with them and are known to be very bad with directions.
Music1222 there tribal simple people
religion is for the weak and the stupid. Nothing supernatural has ever been demonstrated to exist - it's ALL superstition
@@zenon3021 funny how in history it has always been the strong and smart who have been religious while the weak and stupid were slaves.
While at battlefield of winterfell lord of light , darkness , white walker , magic , wirewoods (old god ) are at war the *light of seven* relaxing somewhere on space enjoying battle with popcorn
GRRM is on a whole other level...
If you ever thought humans wouldn't be as fucked up as they are in ASOIAF, a quick look at history would always tell you otherwise
I remember reading that "kill them all" when I was in elementary school. These moments in history made me a dropout from all major religions/churches. I have my visions of gods and entities, and it's way different from human BS churches created over the years.
What a well read man
He forgot to mention that said Albigensian heresy is a direct continuation of similar heresies in parts of present day Italy, Austria, Germany, Croatia, Bosnia (where it was extremely pronounced) etc, all stemming from the Bogomil Heresy of Bulgaria. And yes it, along with all its Western European spinoffs were directly influenced from Zoroastrianism, which many of the Bulgarians were subscribing to prior to the official adoption of Christianity in 9th century
Just be aware that no modern day American or European (or almost none) would accept Albigensianism--certainly, not the part that sex is bad and that you had to commit suicide by starvation once you renounced sex and then realized you weren't going keep that commitment after all. Zoroastrians did not go for such extreme beliefs despite being dualistic.
oh, that makes so much sense, because you never hear people of other faith talking about the darkness and the world's end, it's just the followers of Lord of Light who say that.
Because it's a dualist religion, they actually believe that the Lord of Light is actively at war with the evil and they need more people on the Lord of Light's side. And are actively looking for the savior, Azor Ahai