George RR Martin on Creating Fictional Worlds
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A song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones Author George R. R. Martin Interview
I love the way he says books
Bhukks
Bohcks.
Boox
Buhks
Box
He mentions Tolkien in every clip I've seen of his....
Tolkien is probably the biggest reason people get into Fantasy fiction.
@@Themadhorse true
@@Themadhorse After all, he is the one to rule them all.
it's probably because tolkien's worldbuilding is insanely detailed and impressive. however, the beats of his characters leave a bit to be desired, primarily in terms of how starkly good vs. evil they are often portrayed, but his talent for worldbuilding is arguably truly singular. grrm likely feels (justly) tolkien's level of world detail is the setting in which most fantasy authors are often compared.
Well he was the first.
Interviewer: "How do you go about when you create these fictional worlds? Do you do any research beforehand?"
GRRM: *Goes on to explain how much he likes fictional worlds for 5 minutes*
That’s how he created it. Reading other worlds
"Middle Earth was a character." Few truer words have ever been spoken by anyone...
One of my favorite things about Game of Thrones was the intro title sequence. How the camera pans between place to place with (albeit rough) interpretations of those places has ingrained that map into my mind to the point where I feel like I could draw it.
And because I understand the layout so well, it makes the story easier to follow and helps me to relate to the characters when they talk about "looking to the North* or "in the South corner of the city" etc etc etc.
I never thought about the maps they show working like a map in the beginning of a book but that is a really good point!
This. The best contribution that show has made IMO
The best part about the sequence is it evolved with the plot. If a kingdom was destroyed it was destroyed in the intro too. Amazing
One of the best tv-series intros for sure. The song is iconic too.
Its a copy of the UK, Scotland, Ireland, and Spain. Should fantasy even be called fantasy if its a copy of a real place, with the same historical culture, same historical wars, but just add a dragon?
George looks good taking the black.
It was the only honorable way
@@thedumbdog1964 Damn right it was.
It's like Santa taking the black
Crow!
Well he is Sam Tarly after all
I would kill for having George as my grandpa
Imagine him making up good night stories for you all the time.
I wouldn't want to sleep to hear the end
@@glanni His voice is also relaxing and at the same time he is intriguing. Truly an eloquent writer and great storyteller. I imagine he's the sort of grandpa who would have all his grandchildren crowd around him sitting on the carpet on a quiet evening while Grandpa George tells them a story.
@@ComedyLoverGirl 🤩
Maybe he would kill you to not have you as a grandson for that very reason?
Would you kill your real grandpa to replace him?
Other dude is Kim Stanley Robinson, author of the Mars trilogy. Not Andy Weir, as some people on here have commented.
Thanks for this. I was curious about the other writer
Ohhhhh ok so Kim Stanley Robinson is a dude. I thought he was a woman for years. I've read his Mar's Trilogy.
Kim Stanley Robison was my favorite female science fiction writer for years. So yeah, now I just found out from this comment that he's a guy.
@@evilevan9687 lol any idea who was relegated to second place?
Thank you so much! I was wondering who that was...
the sex symbol of our generation
"Now if you'll excuse me I gotta go wash the nerd choch out of my beard." - J RR Martin on Family Guy
What generation is that?
Bruh 😂
I've never been to Berlin but I've spent a hell of a ton of time in Middle Earth.
He's such a nerd. I love it
Fascinating answers, but I don't think either of them came close to answering the original question lol
George doesn't always answer what the question was, he answers what should have been.
@@bromixsr I would have been very interested in knowing what his writing process is like. Does he start off by imagining a world, or does he start off by imagining a story and then building a fitting world around it?
@@Cyberspine The former, however -- this does cause some minor problems in his writing, but it is a great writing style, "the story grew in the making."
Martin on finishing writing the story in your incredibly convoluted fantasy world:
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What a brilliant representation from both authors. It’s a delight just to listen to them speak on anything but this does paint a beautiful picture in my mind
GRRM is a fucking light in the dark for me! I've spent 8 YEARS making the world of Elitar (my own fictional world) I hope to be the author he is one day and I'm glad I made the map to the world now! Although I must admit that George Lucas inspired my love for fiction but Elitar is a fantasy world so GRRM would be a better guide!
When would your book be publish?
Best of luck 🙂
Best of luck, I too am making my own world and story
Good luck bud
@@ChestofGold that’s what I’ve done 😂 I’ve got a basic story start and prequel but i did them after I made the world 😅 it’s tough
World building really sets the scene. Kudos to those who have done it so well as it’s very intricate to do.
one of the most fun things to do as a writer, but also something that can endlessly bog you down if you aren't careful. world building can be a massive bait..as in it makes you want to play in your world instead of actually writing it.
I would say that setting is very important for every writer. A real good description of the environment creates the feeling of you being there. It can be a description of Calcutta or Tokyo as well as middle earth or Westeros. Also one interesting aspect is finding the mystic in the environment event though it is a famous one like Tokyo.
Even in fantasy, if you have an amazing setting and super detailed world, it’s going to fall flat if your characters and the rest of the story isn’t fleshed out. You can have great characters and a great plot but a weak or derivative setting, and still have a great story. Try doing the reverse of that and having weak cardboard characters, a generic plot but an amazing setting... it’s not going to be a very good book.
This is a very good point!! Creating fictional worlds must be very exciting for aspiring fiction writers, but recently I'm studying about writing and I have learned exactly what you have just wrote. Characters and plot are the most important and setting is like cherry on the cake.
An interesting world can be turned into movies, games, comics, or any other entertainment medium as proven by like 50,000 works of fiction that have sub par stories and characters but interesting worlds. Interesting characters in a boring world stay on the page and at best get turned into a movie no one watches. What you're trying to do with your work and what it goes on to do in the future are what determines whether world building or characters are more important.
that's the great thing about characters. you can just start building them from nothing... and after you get the protag, their antag and a few of their friends...the plot/story just sort of comes together on its own. the characters will literally tell what your book should be
He’s the best interviewee on earth.
I have recently started watching world building tutorials for a book I plan on writing. It really bothers me that everyone still oversaturates their tutorials with examples from Tolkien, despite George Martin having created a much more immersive, complex and realistic world.
It's because Tolkien's work is super easy to understand, it's a dumbed down version of reality. Not to say it isn't fantastic, the amount of work and detail put into the world and its lore is amazing, but the plot itself is too simple.
Thank U George RR Martin🙏🙏🙏
God I love listening to this man, wish he'd do an On Writing podcast
You’re about to be *very* popular with millions of ASOIAF fans. Er, not. 😉
Read this other writer. The Mars trilogy is a masterpiece, that guy is a genius.
It's a really beautiful thing
It's USUALLY in the list
I’ve never read the song of ice and if fire books yet but I’m in a process of of mine, I’m going to send it to him when I’m done 😊
Is it just me, or does Kim Stanley Robinson look and sound like the human version of Kif from Futurama?
Oh, I thought the title said "fictional words"
Inspiration to world build he is so imaginative
I envy his Style.
You mean...neckbeard?
5:24 uh oh, george can't find his water bottle
Lotr was written in 1930s & 40s
Why is there no mention of the other writer in the description?
I want Martin, King and Tarantino to talk about writing and how to push what's "acceptable" in society.
I SWEAR TO GOD LET'S MAKE A PETITION
@@that_artsy_boy675 I'm in.
Yes, and while they’re there, I’d like King + Tarantino to help him finish ASOIAF. 😉
He could also get a few ideas from Ursula Le Guin, whose stories are great, whose world *feels* as varied and with almost as many different characters and peoples as GRRM’s, but has done all this in books about as thin as a postage stamp. 👍
And I keep re-reading them.
This isnt a big deal. Tarantino copies from other films that came out in the 60s'70s and 80s and sometimes the 50s. Martin just copied real life events in England, Scotland, Spain, etc. King gets all of his stuff adapted despite the creepiness. Your good. Just be an old white guy who pretends hes a god of storytelling when all you have to do is copy other work, copy real life wikipedia events, or just write creepy characters
@@kingkylie9655 Still waiting for examples
Does anyone know this other gentleman’s name? I’m curious to see what he has written.
Are you serious?
@@karimafouad5137 he's joking.
@@karimafouad5137 come on dude, not everyone is familiar with what writers look like.
He’s Kim Stanley Robinson, maybe the best living sci-fi writer. “The Mars Trilogy” is famous, but I’d also recommend “Aurora.” “New York 2140” is a recent one I’m actually in the middle of right now and it’s also awesome.
I would appreciate these videos a lot more if there were images to go with the things they talk about, when needed.
Who is the other writer? I think it's really disrespectful not to name him in the opening introduction of the video.
Kim Stanley Robinson, writer of the Mars trilogy
What about Venus? Up until 60 years ago sci writers thought Venus was just like earth. It was so present until we went there!
Shouldn’t Wolverine have metal teeth?
Nope. It was specifically coated onto his bones, purposefully. They didn't just stick a hose into his marrow and turn the handle, that's why its just on his bones and it's not also his muscles and fat that are covered in adamantium.
Looks like Santa took the black ...
The north remembers whether you’ve been good or bad
@@Admiralmeriweather xD yeah, that’s for sure. At this point I am just wishing for a proper ending for GOT, but apparently I must have been bad this year as well …
not being impolite to the other writer, or other writers, even the best selling ones, but an interview with Martin should almost always be solo..
I don’t think it’s a bad choice. Critics regard Robinson as America’s greatest living sci-fi writer, and GRRM has long been regarded as “the American Tolkien,” so getting their joint opinions on speculative fiction broadly at the same time sounds awesome. And sometimes having more than two people can lead to more energy in the conversation. More ideas and opinions can help stimulate your own thoughts.
@@bryanstillman2125 I agree, definitely don't get me wrong...but these interviews were done at the height of GoT,/recent conclusion and pretty sure, its most people would want to hear....Grew up loving Jo with HP, but I don't think, together they'd be great, in interviews...maybe if GoT, was done/concluded 2015, and these interviews start popping up, it would be good conversation....as things are discussed in retro...
Toy train vampire conductor
They didn’t answer the question. The question was, what is your process for world building. George gave a summary for what world building is and its importance. Kim cites examples of world building.
The word “process” is far too disciplined for GRRM. E.g. “What’s your process for finishing, George?”. 😉
I want to be a writer sorta. I have ideas of worlds and characters but damn I have no idea how to begin.
Every writer has their own process, don’t be afraid to just tackle whichever part excites you- writing about a specific location, character, small event, or something broader like an story or world outline. Would love to see your stuff one day if you decide to write :D
Just heavily borrow from Lovecraft
everyone borrows from somebody. even the great ones.
I keep seeing comments that Tolkien’s characters aren’t “grey” enough, but IMHO, that’s just Lord Of The Rings. (SPOILERS ahead...)
Take Gandalf (“The Grey”, appropriately 😉). In LOTR he’s this major powerful figure and definitely on the “good” side, especially as Gandalf The White.
But in The Hobbit, he’s snapping and arguing with the Dwarves every 5 minutes, and to some extent with Bilbo when he manipulates him into the adventure early on. He’s not on the “evil” side, but there’s a lot less bowing and scraping to him in The Hobbit.
I used to think that the difference was that Dwarves and Hobbits were the main cultures in The Hobbit (despite Elrond and Rivendell), whereas a lot of LOTR was about the interactions of Elves, the noble classes among Men, and wizards.
To some extent I still think that _ but my take on Elves changed completely with The Silmarillion. I don’t see how anyone can read that and go on viewing Tolkien’s Elves as one-dimensional.
So, in short format _ if you think Tolkien’s characters are too one-sided, I suspect that you’re mainly judging him on Lord Of The Rings alone.
I think that the characters work perfectly. They have defined personalities but undergo tremendous struggles on the inside. Like Aragorn dealing with his fate and insecurities, Gollum being torn apart by the ring, Frodo too, Gandalf being a literal angel who has to coordinate a bunch of (to him) kids, etc. To me that works much better than a character who has a set of defined characteristics mentioned over and over.
One example for me is Brandon Sanderson's Stormlight Archive. I like the books and the characters well enough, but Everytime Dalinar shows up there's a sentence like "remember that he was a major war criminal!". It checks the boxes for what a character is supposed to be, but it just feels brutish.
and Azaroth
I think this is Andy Weir the author who wrote the Martian sitting next to GRR Martin. I think he missed the point or decided to go on his own tangent when talking about the point GRRM brought up and the question the interviewer asked.
doesn't look like him. I googled him, this guy is too old and skinny.
I guessed based on his mars comment, this is the author of the 'Red Mars' trilogy, Kim Stanley Robinson.
@@one01x yeah that looks closer than my guess. Thanks.
y george always look like hes conducting a train heading west 4 the gold rush
What is the other dudes claim to fame.
Probably one of the best living sci-fi writers. Wrote the acclaimed Mars Trilogy, which he mentions here, among many other novels like The Years of Rice and Salt and New York 2140.
He invented the Sega master system
this guy just used versimilitude in a sentence of the cuff, thats all you really need to know about him
Huh.
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Likes maps, proceeds to make one of the ugliest, unrealistic fantasy maps ever...
Who else watched this cus of elden ring?
thank goodness this wasn't another "george rr martin answers dumb feminist/sjw question" video. UA-cam keeps recommending me those kinds of videos and I feel annoyed for George when he has to answer them lol
I guess you missed the interview where George said that he used to be a feminist. lol George is a liberal get over it.
@@hydraelectricblue Okay?
@@Roge9 Take the L dude.
@@hydraelectricblue What L? What does george being a feminist have to do with my post?
Does him being a feminist mean I can't get annoyed by dumb feminist questions?
@NPC69 Ahahaha you live in a fantasy reality.
The woman laughs so weird...
First
Noone cares.
To die in Season 8.
George R.R. Martin Pumps Merch, Throws Shade and Rambles About Tolkien. Kim Stanley Robinson Talks About Creating Fictional Worlds.
The reason its taking George 30 years to write these books is because he spends all his time on panels like this, giving interviews about his books, and talking about his books....go home and WRITE the books
@@ready2start Not to state the obvious, but tick tock. Man doesnt have "as long as it takes".
@@brodhax6148 And if he rushes, it won't be as grand and fulfilling as the rest of the books. Not to mention the extra stress at his age could lead to medical problems, which could lead to an untimely demise. His pace is what makes his books so great; that they are meticulously put together is what gives them their life.
Just let him enjoy his fame for a bit. The book will come just like winter.
@@ready2start That's the stock answer anyone gives in defense of their favorite writers. The amount of time put in doesn't equal to quality by default. The book could be just another dance of dragons or clash of kings and it took him 10 years to write what used to take him 3-5 years to do so. Effort and work is what guarantees quality. Not time.
@@arnop87 "a bit" is now 9 years since A Dance of Dragons. It took him 9 years to write the first 4 Books! and now its taking him another 9 to write 1? And he has 2 more to write. Love GRRM but man is 70 years old
He's largely against fan fiction because hes against a person profiting off the ideas of another, and yet tells us he ripped off Tolkiens "middle earth callender" idea in order to make more money. Gotta love rich people.
Yeah, he ripped selling books off too. And ripped selling your ideas to HBO for making a show. I bet he even ripped of using audio books too. I hate when people make things.
@@oddvoid So you're ok with being a hypocrite. So is 99% of the planet. Congratulations, you're a pleb.
Using the idea of creating a calendar with your own fictional world is not the same as profiting off of the hard work, characters, plot, ex. Of someone else’s art
You realize every single story in existence has aspects from other stories within it, right? He means don't just put Jon Snow on a t-shirt with Pikachu and make money selling it.