This video misunderstood the end of season 4 I think. It wasn't Lenny who was just lowering himself, it was Midge who had been on her high horse all season and needed to get off. Season 4 is all about the less likeable sides of Midge. I mean, it starts with her at her pettiest and most upsetting.
The major omission from this analysis is that Midge can *afford* to try and fail - because she's from a *wealthy* family. She doesn't have as much to lose as a working class woman of her time would. I love the series, but if you cannot acknowledge the role social class plays in the show, then all the feminist points are moot.
It plays a part until now. Only people she really has a chance of getting support from is from Joel and his father. But she and her family were in pretty bad shape this season financially. In reality if she wanted to keep her lifestyle she would have to marry someone in that class bracket
However i also notice that her things in her house are not paid, she has debts. She used to be from a well off family but, it's no longer the case now. Sorry if my english is bad.
I think youve missed the point. The point is she wanted to go out on her own without the help of her parents financially thats why she got her own place and moved out. She wanted to make her own money.
I loved this last season of Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. I loved seeing the moving parts of imminent conflict between Midge's choice to only headline. While she was enjoying headlining at a burlesque club, Susie was trying to establish herself as a manager, which was dependent on Midge's lucrative success. And then it all culminated to Lenny's wake-up speech. She was hiding, and enjoying the break from public humiliation so much that she lost sight of her real love of performing.
This was an intelligent, perceptive exploration of this show - a show that is truly "more than" a show. When I viewed the very first episode I asked, "Where did this come from?" - the "pitter-patter" of Noises Off, the ambiance of NY in the late 50s, the stinky beer smelling dirty floor lower Manhattan comedy / coffee clubs. It was incredible how this show captured all of this so well in just its very first episode. I know there's only one more season, S5, to go, which is a shame. If NCIS can start when I'm in diapers, and continue until, well, I'm in Depends, why can't Mrs Maisel? This subject is so rich, so relevant, so encompassing, so 'out there', after the final series ends, it really should be made into a movie. The times it portrays were revolutionary. Everyone "remembers" the sixties, and The Beatles - but it was so much more than that, and so much of it began in smelly dirty coffee clubs in lower Manhattan. I won't re-comment what's been said in this video, which encapsulated this show so well, but this was the time of Kennedy - not Biden. It was the time of Martin Luther King, riots and assassinations. The advent of birth control pills and sexual revolution, not Cardi Bi. It was love fests, not disco balls. It was when people listened to an album by a poet out of California, and would then sit around in a circle in someone's living room to discuss the deeper meaning of everything this poet was saying. It was when mere "words" might change one's life. When a cartoonist in the Village Voice carried more relevance than anything on TV at the time. Please - PLEASE - P L E A S E - don't kill off this show and these characters. There is too much story here to tell. This show makes a mockery of all the current amateur efforts of pushing "wokism" by just being real to a time when these issues were new, relevant, visionary, hopeful. Right now the times are changing exceedingly fast, offering a very uncertain future - much like "the sixties". Please keep this show going, perhaps in a movie of film, so that what was then can be layered over what is now. We, as humans, deserve to know what we were, what was the best of us, so that we can seek a better "us" tomorrow. Mrs. Maisel can do this!! I believe in her.
I must say at some point I started reading your comment as if it were Lenny Bruce who said it... I mean with his voice and mimics. Besides that great comment, I agree 100% I wish but WISH this show would be more than 5 seasons, it felt great during all this time... one of my favourites shows ever, my television comfort zone.
The show has basically become a bunch of loosely connected vignettes. Also Midge says she's best when she is just herself but in reality she needs the structure of rules. She doesn't get anywhere during this season really.
You're absolutely right, I thought the same. At this point, I'm really watching only for Abe, Rose, Moishe, and Shirley, because even if their vignettes feel disjointed, they're always written so well and they act their characters out so naturally that they're always a pleasure to watch.
A good thesis about breaking barriers to women but Midge had no right to "out" Shy or embarrass Mary or Jackie Kennedy. That just makes her sloppy and so not serving her career or relationships at all.
You're missing or not acknowledging context in both situations: she was told to keep a clean act at the Kennedy benefit & she did, until she was encouraged to talk about something more risque and wound up embarrassing Jackie unknowingly because no one knew John was cheating on her. She was about to do her usual show at the Apollo, but the stage manager there insisted that since she was a white woman possibly out of her depth in a mainly black audience that she should talk about Shy. She didn't out him quite literally she just implied he was a "diva" & that doesn't have all of the gay associations it does now. Even then, I don't think she knew the association between ruby slippers and being gay either so it was completely by coincidence. She wasn't going out there to do a hit job. Both times she was prepared to do what she normally does and she was told to do something else and she made mistakes unintentionally. Notice how she refused a bribe of several thousand dollars from Shy's team to not say anything about Shy. She kept her word simply because she had already given it to him & not because she was paid off.
I hope they fix Midge, season 4 she was a little annoying to watch. Heck, even I got pissed off about the Tony gig. Like, I don't understand Midge, she wants to be a successful comedian but she doesn't want to censor herself....even though she can barely afford her apartment and care for her family. Do you see where I am going with this?
I do. AND? When men: set boundaries, ask for more money, turn down gigs…it somehow raises their value/respect levels. When women do the same exact things? They are difficult divas or spoiled brats who don’t wanna “do the work”. You see where I’m going with this?
She wants (and deserves) to be a headliner. Not an opening act…even for Tony. Not a sidekick or sidechick. Women are taught to accept breadcrumbs and be grateful. Men are taught to create empires and be ruthless. Do you see where I’m going with this? 😉
She’s better than all the male comics put together. Plus the Shy Baldwin thing really hurt her deeply. He let his ego & fear of public opinion get the best of him. She was naturally gunSHY after that.
@@courtneyawalsh I see your points but we have to look at Midges behavior and see how it affects the people around her. A prime example is Susie, after she rejected the Tony gig she then proceeds to lecture Susie about getting help from mobsters. What Midge didn't think was that Susie has no money. That gig could have helped Susie but she didn't think about it.
Okay so we're just not going to talk about how that "revenge" bit was Midge getting "revenge" after she was let go from a tour for...outing the Black gay performer she was opening for at the Apollo right before he went on, a situation that caused far more severe harm to him than to her, plus some serious fallout for others, including him being compelled to enter a loveless marriage arranged for him by his handlers (with his bride seemingly unaware of what she's signing up for), & losing the involvement of his lifelong best friend & protector in his career to instead be surrounded by a mob of white men surveilling his every move with the explicit goal of preventing him from ever acting on his genuine desires again? Nah, go go Midge, modern feminist or whatever. tbf, the willingness to overlook that lil detail (merely the premise the first half of the season is based on) to talk about Midge as a modern woman does kinda tell on the ongoing troubling state of contemporary white feminism, so...sure. Perfectly Modern Midge.
I completely agree, there's a lot I love about this show but the way they treated that incident was VERY concerning. I thought Midge would be repenting for at least half an episode. I was shocked to see that SHE was angry at Shy.
Why wouldn't she be mad at being let go by someone who she thought was becoming a really good friend? She didn't see what she did wrong, she was told her audience knew him and as a result it alerted the white men that he wasn't that careful. They didn't care about him being gay they cared about it being found out that he was gay, on that end he was a little reckless and found himself in trouble sometimes which is something that they spoke on last season. Midge is focussing on herself more than everyone else around her, but after confronting him in the bathroom and seeing what her actions set off she wasn't vengeful anymore. The show is about HER everyone else is fringe and he wasn't meant to always be around so why would they focus on him?
@@cortnikirk3214 Because SHE is the one who ruined that friendship. I understand that she didn’t realize what she was doing on stage, but she was told what she did on the tarmac, and after that she should have understood that it’s all her fault. Outing someone is a friendship-ending move even now in 2022 and it would have been even more so for a black man in 1960. Yes, Midge is the star of the show and obviously the show revolves around her. The show could still do that even if she felt more apologetic toward Shy. If anything, that would have made for better dramatic tension. Some say that it’s just Midge’s personality that makes her not see her faults. I still find it very alarming that the writers had Shy basically accept her apology. It’s harder for me to accept since I have seen how she has been acting like the victim for half a season up to that point.
@@ShinYoungNoh So first she didn't out him, the general public still has no idea, she just alerted the white men controlling his career how dangerously close he was to being found out. Second at the tarmac she was very confused about why it was happening and wanted a chance to talk to Shy to explain herself and get a better understanding as to what she did that was so wrong. Susie understood it faster than she did because she's not nearly as naive as Midge and moves forward to help her bounce back from it instead of helping her to understand it bc it's low-key pointless and focusing on that wouldn't really help her client's career. Third she has no idea of the changes made in Shy's life, all of the articles about him were glowing and painting a perfect picture of his life, until the wedding where she talks to him and the room full of white man running the whole thing. As far as she is concerned she was betrayed by a friend and that friend is continuously pouring salt on said wound. Once she gets the chance to talk to him again outside she is more remorseful and they came to an understanding bc what else was there to do? His best friend/ manager struggled to keep him in check and it wasn't his first time, she (as the white manager explained) only gave them a window to move towards what they were already planning to do. Shy was his own brand of messy so what else was there left for either of them to do?
Feel like you're only just telling half the story and not the whole story. And getting annoyed with her cause she dared to have feelings about her career taking a fall and losing someone she thought to be a friend
The show nearly shot itself in the leg with the Shy Baldwin storyline early on in this latest season, but I'm glad they were able to salvage it the end.
@@bubblegirl9854 White woman sees herself as the victim and wants revenge after facing consequences for outing a black man in the 60s. SO much wrong with that storyline.
@@bubblegirl9854 I think they mean how Midge couldn't seem to understand how massively she fucked up and almost outed Shy, and was fancying herself the victim.
@@kingpanther7601 I mean, you have to take into consideration that, for all that Midge is, she's still an upper middle class white woman in 1960, who up until before she was arrested, didn't know anything about anything but her privileged lifestyle. Also, Reggie and Shy did "punished" (humiliated) her by making her show up at the airport when the already knew they where dropping her. Don't get me wrong, she had it coming, but I wouldn't have expected her to put herself in any other way, Midge is a princess! it would've made no sense for her to not feel like she was wronged.
I was disappointed the writers won't explore Midge's darker side. The way she betrays Sophie Lennon, who she doesn't agree with but was on her side, and Shy Baldwin, who was a true friend and as a gay, black artist back then could've lost everything because of her set, deserved analysis. But no. For the writers she's still a victim and a heroine and don't want to venture on what was going inside her or her motives, making her one dimensional.
With midge missing her son’s birthday She technically did not miss his actual birthday just the part that they did two months after his actual birthday. A thing that her parents have suspiciously done multiple times over her own childhood.
love this show and Miriam but it seems it may be going the same route as Gilmore Girls. where the great and flawed main character(s) never really experience any legitimate growth or reckoning with their wrong doings
Emily: Richard how could you say that Richard: oh it was just something your father said Emily: yes but you are repeating it This was in GG in that DAR function the Rory hosted with the 40's theme, it seemed like the blue prints for MM its a statement on historical fiction, that like in mad men, while criticizing it, the modern audience is clearly enamored with it and indulge in it by watching the show, even if they probably shouldn't
I enjoyed every minute of it. Talented actress. Loved her agent as she grew from where she started to dressing and knowledge she learned along the way.
Entertainments are primarily for women...note all the ads on commercial entertainments. The modern girl in the past is a popular screenplay. Sucessful writers know what works. So her authentic self is a 2023 woman in beautiful 1950s/early 60s clothes.
I ❤️ this show! I've watched each episode multiple times, that's how much I love it! 🙌 The 4th season is AMAZING! 🌟🌟🌟 I'm upset there's only going to be 5 seasons. 😔
Mrs Masel has joined the great loves of my life. Starting with Jeanne, Mary Ann, Barbara Cooper, and a couple others, she is the perfect wife. Funny, beautiful, well dressed, excellent cook, lives for her man It is interesting to see how she has grown
The show was great for the first couple of seasons, but then it completely stagnated. The final season was absolutely awful. It's like the writer's strike sent Prime Video to go and use scripts submitted from a high school essay contest, each episode written by a different student. There was no growth arc, we never got to see Midge become successful, and then all of a sudden we're told she's been famous for years. It was so cringe. I wish I had just stopped after she got fired from the Sly tour.
Iconic female of her times? I don’t think so. A vain, selfish, shallow woman who doesn’t go in for much self examination or compassion. I don’t see why season 4 isn’t being universally panned.
Can we talk about Rose's and Midge's fatphobia? Will Rose at least learn not everyone has to be her or Midge to be desirable? EDIT: Everyone offended by what I notice seems to have a real issue with me bringing it up.
Oh come on! Yes they are obsessed with beauty standards but stop searching for something to be offended by in everything. It was the 60s and Midge wants her daughter to look beautiful, nothing really wrong about that. Could she be better, yes, but that's not the point.
I have to say this is an odd take... especially given the time, place, societal framework, and type of people these characters are. As a fat person myself, I never once saw this as one of their flaws (of which there are several) as humans... especially when viewed through the lens of the 21st century. And to answer your question, no, Rose probably never will learn.
14:11 I think the twist by the end of the show is that despite her stage name being "the Marvelouse Mrs. Maisel" and her stand up was about being wife and mother, Midge was never Really a mother because she was on the road the whole time, and she literally wasn't a wife because she started her career when she separated. I don't think the show is going to punish her or anything, it will just be the silent, heartbreaking acknowledgment that you don't know your children at all because you didnt watch them grow up, and while you are their mother, you will never be as close as you could have been, simply because you weren't there. I don't think this is the mainstream judging women, I think it is women talking to women "my dad was gone 6 days a week and no one batted an eye" maybe they should have
There were some period incorrect references in the first episode of the current season that just turned me off so I haven't felt compelled to watch further.
I was a kid growing up during this time and place (NYC/LI area) and am a big fan of the show. But like AMC's Mad Men..for the most part, those days have come and gone. Today most women can do whatever they want making it much tougher to blame men for frustrations/unhappiness. In the end, women's own biology, not men or society...have the ultimate say. It will be very interesting to see where they go with Midge in the Final Season 5, as much of society's dynamics...made MANY changes from the mid '60s to the early '70s and beyond. I know as someone who graduated from HS outside of NYC in 1972. Those were crazy times...
@@DrGregoryHouseIT Good catch on the type-o...In fact, passing on Mad Men was a big regret...at HBO. "HBO CEO Richard Plepler later became a fan of the show and congratulated AMC on their success with it. In 2017 he named passing on Mad Men as his biggest regret from his time at HBO, calling it "inexcusable" and attributing the decision to "hubris."
@@HBarnill So because two shows carry some common underlying themes about society, but one is deemed better writing, etc., one cancels out the other? Do you know how many police dramas there are? Or comedies about a bunch of unlikely friendships built around residents of an apartment building in New York? Or reality shows about romance? I don't know if you just wanted to let everyone know you prefer Hacks of TMMM or if this is how you think TV works.
This video misunderstood the end of season 4 I think.
It wasn't Lenny who was just lowering himself, it was Midge who had been on her high horse all season and needed to get off.
Season 4 is all about the less likeable sides of Midge. I mean, it starts with her at her pettiest and most upsetting.
i was glad they got lenny back on this season, his actor is so good
Luke Kirby is also great in “Take this Waltz” a wonderful lil film by Canadian director: Sarah Polley.
Bio 1oooooooo a I ccu
@@courtneyawalsh oh yes great movie cant wait for her next film Women Talking
I just wish a real life character wasn't written in.
It's jarring when no other main character is a notable person of the time.
The major omission from this analysis is that Midge can *afford* to try and fail - because she's from a *wealthy* family. She doesn't have as much to lose as a working class woman of her time would. I love the series, but if you cannot acknowledge the role social class plays in the show, then all the feminist points are moot.
Yeah but that's a given. It's pretty clear, there's no need to point out out because it's evident to anyone who watched the show
But susie doesn't
It plays a part until now. Only people she really has a chance of getting support from is from Joel and his father. But she and her family were in pretty bad shape this season financially. In reality if she wanted to keep her lifestyle she would have to marry someone in that class bracket
However i also notice that her things in her house are not paid, she has debts. She used to be from a well off family but, it's no longer the case now. Sorry if my english is bad.
I think youve missed the point. The point is she wanted to go out on her own without the help of her parents financially thats why she got her own place and moved out. She wanted to make her own money.
I loved this last season of Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. I loved seeing the moving parts of imminent conflict between Midge's choice to only headline. While she was enjoying headlining at a burlesque club, Susie was trying to establish herself as a manager, which was dependent on Midge's lucrative success. And then it all culminated to Lenny's wake-up speech. She was hiding, and enjoying the break from public humiliation so much that she lost sight of her real love of performing.
This was an intelligent, perceptive exploration of this show - a show that is truly "more than" a show. When I viewed the very first episode I asked, "Where did this come from?" - the "pitter-patter" of Noises Off, the ambiance of NY in the late 50s, the stinky beer smelling dirty floor lower Manhattan comedy / coffee clubs. It was incredible how this show captured all of this so well in just its very first episode. I know there's only one more season, S5, to go, which is a shame. If NCIS can start when I'm in diapers, and continue until, well, I'm in Depends, why can't Mrs Maisel? This subject is so rich, so relevant, so encompassing, so 'out there', after the final series ends, it really should be made into a movie. The times it portrays were revolutionary. Everyone "remembers" the sixties, and The Beatles - but it was so much more than that, and so much of it began in smelly dirty coffee clubs in lower Manhattan. I won't re-comment what's been said in this video, which encapsulated this show so well, but this was the time of Kennedy - not Biden. It was the time of Martin Luther King, riots and assassinations. The advent of birth control pills and sexual revolution, not Cardi Bi. It was love fests, not disco balls. It was when people listened to an album by a poet out of California, and would then sit around in a circle in someone's living room to discuss the deeper meaning of everything this poet was saying. It was when mere "words" might change one's life. When a cartoonist in the Village Voice carried more relevance than anything on TV at the time. Please - PLEASE - P L E A S E - don't kill off this show and these characters. There is too much story here to tell. This show makes a mockery of all the current amateur efforts of pushing "wokism" by just being real to a time when these issues were new, relevant, visionary, hopeful. Right now the times are changing exceedingly fast, offering a very uncertain future - much like "the sixties". Please keep this show going, perhaps in a movie of film, so that what was then can be layered over what is now. We, as humans, deserve to know what we were, what was the best of us, so that we can seek a better "us" tomorrow. Mrs. Maisel can do this!! I believe in her.
Excellent comment. Could not agree more.
Wow. 👏🏾 Just your comment alone has awoken something in me almost hopeful.
@@Polkadot2 Thank you. That's very nice of you to say.
I must say at some point I started reading your comment as if it were Lenny Bruce who said it... I mean with his voice and mimics. Besides that great comment, I agree 100% I wish but WISH this show would be more than 5 seasons, it felt great during all this time... one of my favourites shows ever, my television comfort zone.
@@RbnDanvers "Lenny Bruce" - wow, that's quite a compliment!
The show has basically become a bunch of loosely connected vignettes. Also Midge says she's best when she is just herself but in reality she needs the structure of rules. She doesn't get anywhere during this season really.
You're absolutely right, I thought the same. At this point, I'm really watching only for Abe, Rose, Moishe, and Shirley, because even if their vignettes feel disjointed, they're always written so well and they act their characters out so naturally that they're always a pleasure to watch.
This season was really a season of slow growth for her and the other characters, can't wait for the next season, in half a century time.
I think that was the point. Midge needed time to heal and hid in the illegal stripclub while we saw all the other characters' worlds expand.
@@HT-dy5co which will be the last season.
Exactly!
I think season 4 is their weakest season, but it did end very strong!!
Excited for season 5!!
Agreed! Too much time to supporting characters.
this exactly
That's because it's deconstructing and setting up for a build up in the next and final season.
That ending made the so-so season worth it!
When the storyline sways from being a comedian, the show becomes dull. At least the finale was amazing
A good thesis about breaking barriers to women but Midge had no right to "out" Shy or embarrass Mary or Jackie Kennedy. That just makes her sloppy and so not serving her career or relationships at all.
You're missing or not acknowledging context in both situations: she was told to keep a clean act at the Kennedy benefit & she did, until she was encouraged to talk about something more risque and wound up embarrassing Jackie unknowingly because no one knew John was cheating on her.
She was about to do her usual show at the Apollo, but the stage manager there insisted that since she was a white woman possibly out of her depth in a mainly black audience that she should talk about Shy. She didn't out him quite literally she just implied he was a "diva" & that doesn't have all of the gay associations it does now. Even then, I don't think she knew the association between ruby slippers and being gay either so it was completely by coincidence. She wasn't going out there to do a hit job.
Both times she was prepared to do what she normally does and she was told to do something else and she made mistakes unintentionally. Notice how she refused a bribe of several thousand dollars from Shy's team to not say anything about Shy. She kept her word simply because she had already given it to him & not because she was paid off.
I hope they fix Midge, season 4 she was a little annoying to watch. Heck, even I got pissed off about the Tony gig. Like, I don't understand Midge, she wants to be a successful comedian but she doesn't want to censor herself....even though she can barely afford her apartment and care for her family. Do you see where I am going with this?
I do. AND? When men: set boundaries, ask for more money, turn down gigs…it somehow raises their value/respect levels. When women do the same exact things? They are difficult divas or spoiled brats who don’t wanna “do the work”. You see where I’m going with this?
She wants (and deserves) to be a headliner. Not an opening act…even for Tony. Not a sidekick or sidechick. Women are taught to accept breadcrumbs and be grateful. Men are taught to create empires and be ruthless. Do you see where I’m going with this? 😉
She’s better than all the male comics put together. Plus the Shy Baldwin thing really hurt her deeply. He let his ego & fear of public opinion get the best of him. She was naturally gunSHY after that.
It’s not Midge that needs to be: fixed.
@@courtneyawalsh I see your points but we have to look at Midges behavior and see how it affects the people around her. A prime example is Susie, after she rejected the Tony gig she then proceeds to lecture Susie about getting help from mobsters. What Midge didn't think was that Susie has no money. That gig could have helped Susie but she didn't think about it.
Okay so we're just not going to talk about how that "revenge" bit was Midge getting "revenge" after she was let go from a tour for...outing the Black gay performer she was opening for at the Apollo right before he went on, a situation that caused far more severe harm to him than to her, plus some serious fallout for others, including him being compelled to enter a loveless marriage arranged for him by his handlers (with his bride seemingly unaware of what she's signing up for), & losing the involvement of his lifelong best friend & protector in his career to instead be surrounded by a mob of white men surveilling his every move with the explicit goal of preventing him from ever acting on his genuine desires again? Nah, go go Midge, modern feminist or whatever. tbf, the willingness to overlook that lil detail (merely the premise the first half of the season is based on) to talk about Midge as a modern woman does kinda tell on the ongoing troubling state of contemporary white feminism, so...sure. Perfectly Modern Midge.
I completely agree, there's a lot I love about this show but the way they treated that incident was VERY concerning. I thought Midge would be repenting for at least half an episode. I was shocked to see that SHE was angry at Shy.
Why wouldn't she be mad at being let go by someone who she thought was becoming a really good friend? She didn't see what she did wrong, she was told her audience knew him and as a result it alerted the white men that he wasn't that careful. They didn't care about him being gay they cared about it being found out that he was gay, on that end he was a little reckless and found himself in trouble sometimes which is something that they spoke on last season. Midge is focussing on herself more than everyone else around her, but after confronting him in the bathroom and seeing what her actions set off she wasn't vengeful anymore. The show is about HER everyone else is fringe and he wasn't meant to always be around so why would they focus on him?
@@cortnikirk3214 Because SHE is the one who ruined that friendship. I understand that she didn’t realize what she was doing on stage, but she was told what she did on the tarmac, and after that she should have understood that it’s all her fault. Outing someone is a friendship-ending move even now in 2022 and it would have been even more so for a black man in 1960.
Yes, Midge is the star of the show and obviously the show revolves around her. The show could still do that even if she felt more apologetic toward Shy. If anything, that would have made for better dramatic tension.
Some say that it’s just Midge’s personality that makes her not see her faults. I still find it very alarming that the writers had Shy basically accept her apology. It’s harder for me to accept since I have seen how she has been acting like the victim for half a season up to that point.
@@ShinYoungNoh So first she didn't out him, the general public still has no idea, she just alerted the white men controlling his career how dangerously close he was to being found out. Second at the tarmac she was very confused about why it was happening and wanted a chance to talk to Shy to explain herself and get a better understanding as to what she did that was so wrong. Susie understood it faster than she did because she's not nearly as naive as Midge and moves forward to help her bounce back from it instead of helping her to understand it bc it's low-key pointless and focusing on that wouldn't really help her client's career. Third she has no idea of the changes made in Shy's life, all of the articles about him were glowing and painting a perfect picture of his life, until the wedding where she talks to him and the room full of white man running the whole thing. As far as she is concerned she was betrayed by a friend and that friend is continuously pouring salt on said wound. Once she gets the chance to talk to him again outside she is more remorseful and they came to an understanding bc what else was there to do? His best friend/ manager struggled to keep him in check and it wasn't his first time, she (as the white manager explained) only gave them a window to move towards what they were already planning to do. Shy was his own brand of messy so what else was there left for either of them to do?
Feel like you're only just telling half the story and not the whole story. And getting annoyed with her cause she dared to have feelings about her career taking a fall and losing someone she thought to be a friend
The show nearly shot itself in the leg with the Shy Baldwin storyline early on in this latest season, but I'm glad they were able to salvage it the end.
What was wrong with the shy Baldwin storyline?
@@bubblegirl9854 White woman sees herself as the victim and wants revenge after facing consequences for outing a black man in the 60s. SO much wrong with that storyline.
@@bubblegirl9854 I think they mean how Midge couldn't seem to understand how massively she fucked up and almost outed Shy, and was fancying herself the victim.
@@kingpanther7601 I mean, you have to take into consideration that, for all that Midge is, she's still an upper middle class white woman in 1960, who up until before she was arrested, didn't know anything about anything but her privileged lifestyle. Also, Reggie and Shy did "punished" (humiliated) her by making her show up at the airport when the already knew they where dropping her. Don't get me wrong, she had it coming, but I wouldn't have expected her to put herself in any other way, Midge is a princess! it would've made no sense for her to not feel like she was wronged.
@@maggiemcfly5267 Agreed! I'm glad someone else sees that class plays a part in her success.
I was disappointed the writers won't explore Midge's darker side. The way she betrays Sophie Lennon, who she doesn't agree with but was on her side, and Shy Baldwin, who was a true friend and as a gay, black artist back then could've lost everything because of her set, deserved analysis. But no. For the writers she's still a victim and a heroine and don't want to venture on what was going inside her or her motives, making her one dimensional.
Another symptom of her Privilege!!! Which show not viewers really address
Women rule the world they just forgot to tell us. Powerful!!!!
With midge missing her son’s birthday
She technically did not miss his actual birthday just the part that they did two months after his actual birthday.
A thing that her parents have suspiciously done multiple times over her own childhood.
The exemple used in the video is indeed misleading. I was about to write a comment about this too !
love this show and Miriam but it seems it may be going the same route as Gilmore Girls. where the great and flawed main character(s) never really experience any legitimate growth or reckoning with their wrong doings
Emily: Richard how could you say that
Richard: oh it was just something your father said
Emily: yes but you are repeating it
This was in GG in that DAR function the Rory hosted with the 40's theme, it seemed like the blue prints for MM
its a statement on historical fiction, that like in mad men, while criticizing it, the modern audience is clearly enamored with it and indulge in it by watching the show, even if they probably shouldn't
yes!!! Always down for more The Take videos :)
i'm on the fence with her finally sleeping with lenny. it was a long time coming but the tension was part of their charm.
I enjoyed every minute of it. Talented actress. Loved her agent as she grew from where she started to dressing and knowledge she learned along the way.
I'm still waiting to see Rachel Brosnahan and Evan Rachel Wood standing next to each other in the exact same place at the exact same time lol.
Entertainments are primarily for women...note all the ads on commercial entertainments.
The modern girl in the past is a popular screenplay. Sucessful writers know what works.
So her authentic self is a 2023 woman in beautiful 1950s/early 60s clothes.
Why do they make Midge smoke, when Brosnahan is obviously not a smoker IRL?
I ❤️ this show! I've watched each episode multiple times, that's how much I love it! 🙌 The 4th season is AMAZING! 🌟🌟🌟 I'm upset there's only going to be 5 seasons. 😔
I am upset to that there are only 5 seasons 😪
Im sad too but its better for a show to go out on a high than for a show to go on too long like Greys Anatomy
Absolutely love this series, I have enjoyed every minute!!
This series is superb on so many levels
It’s shows just directionless current feminism is, cannibalising itself from absolute boredom
I thought every Friday new episode so what happened last Friday..sure was a let down..
Okay somebody was supposed to give a spoiler alert for season 4 some of us here are saving it!
Mrs Masel has joined the great loves of my life. Starting with Jeanne, Mary Ann, Barbara Cooper, and a couple others, she is the perfect wife. Funny, beautiful, well dressed, excellent cook, lives for her man
It is interesting to see how she has grown
Thanks for that video.
Love the show!!! No number of mistakes or criticisms matter!!!
❤❤❤ I freakin’ love Midge. Watched the entire series. Best show on tv 📺!!!
Great video well done. Love Midge .
Lots of Duchess Satin in the wardrobe.
My favorite show!
I think Midge Maisel is cute!
The show was great for the first couple of seasons, but then it completely stagnated. The final season was absolutely awful. It's like the writer's strike sent Prime Video to go and use scripts submitted from a high school essay contest, each episode written by a different student. There was no growth arc, we never got to see Midge become successful, and then all of a sudden we're told she's been famous for years. It was so cringe. I wish I had just stopped after she got fired from the Sly tour.
Strong female character done right
A man won't judge u foe not being perfecr. Other women will
Lois Griffin's office, how may I help?
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Well done!
Too bad this series end on season 5
My inner life on film..
Iconic female of her times? I don’t think so. A vain, selfish, shallow woman who doesn’t go in for much self examination or compassion. I don’t see why season 4 isn’t being universally panned.
I love Midge Maisel💖
love this show 💕
I admired her
Can we talk about Rose's and Midge's fatphobia? Will Rose at least learn not everyone has to be her or Midge to be desirable?
EDIT: Everyone offended by what I notice seems to have a real issue with me bringing it up.
It does stick out like a sore thumb in this show, but there has to be something that ties it to its timeframe.
Oh come on! Yes they are obsessed with beauty standards but stop searching for something to be offended by in everything. It was the 60s and Midge wants her daughter to look beautiful, nothing really wrong about that. Could she be better, yes, but that's not the point.
Get over it lol. Not everything has to be that serious
I have to say this is an odd take... especially given the time, place, societal framework, and type of people these characters are. As a fat person myself, I never once saw this as one of their flaws (of which there are several) as humans... especially when viewed through the lens of the 21st century. And to answer your question, no, Rose probably never will learn.
No one Is scared of fat people, except maybe chairs.
14:11 I think the twist by the end of the show is that despite her stage name being "the Marvelouse Mrs. Maisel" and her stand up was about being wife and mother, Midge was never Really a mother because she was on the road the whole time, and she literally wasn't a wife because she started her career when she separated. I don't think the show is going to punish her or anything, it will just be the silent, heartbreaking acknowledgment that you don't know your children at all because you didnt watch them grow up, and while you are their mother, you will never be as close as you could have been, simply because you weren't there. I don't think this is the mainstream judging women, I think it is women talking to women
"my dad was gone 6 days a week and no one batted an eye" maybe they should have
There were some period incorrect references in the first episode of the current season that just turned me off so I haven't felt compelled to watch further.
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Back then they would NOT allow her to use profanity in her stand-up routine !
It was consider low-income for male or females to use “potty mouth”
Arrogant women never respect marriage!
Arrogant men rarely respect women.
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Boringgggg
I was a kid growing up during this time and place (NYC/LI area) and am a big fan of the show. But like AMC's Mad Men..for the most part, those days have come and gone. Today most women can do whatever they want making it much tougher to blame men for frustrations/unhappiness. In the end, women's own biology, not men or society...have the ultimate say.
It will be very interesting to see where they go with Midge in the Final Season 5, as much of society's dynamics...made MANY changes from the mid '60s to the early '70s and beyond. I know as someone who graduated from HS outside of NYC in 1972. Those were crazy times...
Mad Men was on AMC
@@DrGregoryHouseIT Good catch on the type-o...In fact, passing on Mad Men was a big regret...at HBO. "HBO CEO Richard Plepler later became a fan of the show and congratulated AMC on their success with it. In 2017 he named passing on Mad Men as his biggest regret from his time at HBO, calling it "inexcusable" and attributing the decision to "hubris."
Now that we have Hacks, this show's pretty much useless.
I'm curious. Just because both shows deal with female stand up comics?
@@mnt5592 They both tackle misogyny and male privilege but Hacks means its themes. And the performances and writing are much better.
@@HBarnill ok then. Thanks
@@HBarnill So because two shows carry some common underlying themes about society, but one is deemed better writing, etc., one cancels out the other? Do you know how many police dramas there are? Or comedies about a bunch of unlikely friendships built around residents of an apartment building in New York? Or reality shows about romance? I don't know if you just wanted to let everyone know you prefer Hacks of TMMM or if this is how you think TV works.