Why Are 2012 Gibsons HATED? | 2012 Gibson 1959 R9 Les Paul Reissue Blue Quilt w/ Matching Headstock
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Why Are 2012 Gibson's HATED? Well... if you talk to internet forums, you'll learn that many of them had laminate fretboards consisting on two pieces of rosewood to get the correct thickness. Many people have concerns about the longevity of these guitars so 2012 tends to get "singled out" because of that. In my experience, I've never had any issues and on a bound example, you'd never know!
Today we review a really cool, custom-ordered 1959 Les Paul Reissue in a Blue Quilt Top with matching Quilted Blue Headstock
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0:07 This Ain't Your Granddaddy's '59 Burst
0:51 2012...
1:38 Three Reissue Eras
2:29 Why 2012 Is Looked Down Upon
3:36 Two Other Reissue Categories
4:29 Other Unique Features + Case Candy
6:19 Inside Look / Specs
15:04 Clean Tones
16:58 Dirty Tones
19:17 Final Thoughts
20:32 What to Watch Next!
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Love it. Now I could see how there are some people who might've hated it but it's kind of like the old AMC Pacer. Most if not everyone thought it was ugly. Now more people appreciate it for what it was. Not to say this guitar is in the same class because it would be a Corvette if it were a car. Personally my opinion of the Pacer hasn't changed. I still think it's ugly . This guitar is gorgeous.
2012 was a weird time. Gibson probably struggled a bit with QC because of the earthquakes, tsunamis, and all the other stuff that happened in that movie 😂
Hahahahahahahahaha!!! Spot on!!!
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I hope we're all agreed, anyone with kids needs to play 2012 for them and tell them we survived that
Actually, Nashville had a flood desaster in 2011 that also struck the Gibson factory and warehouses, afair.
Bought a 2012 Les Paul Studio from Sweetwater for exactly $750.00.
I am typing this with it in my lap.
The 2005-2015 is my favorite era of Gibson. Soooo many random models, signatures, and odd ball components. Im still looking for a 2005 LP Gold Tribal Custom.
He has one for sale on his website page 2
The Gibson Les Paul Studio Deluxe I-IV of that era were pretty cool
Please be warned...........
On a finish like this, it will fade and lighten up if exposed to Sun or UV lighting, however it will lighten up due to the blue pigment fading away to a tan/gray finish.
The blue pigments in the stain will fade leaving the black/brown base pigment that is mixed/blended to produce the blue.
Many early PRS guitars finished in deep blue have also been known to fade out into a tan/gray finish (nowhere near as beautiful as the blue).
I own a 2012 Silverburst Firebird Studio. It has unique pickups that only it has I believe, which have the same firebird magnet build but with some tweaks. I cant really tell about the fretboard quality as it’s finished over, but it plays awesome and sounds amazing! I love it!
I own a 2012 Gibson SG 61 reissue worn Brown with a baked maple fretboard, it's a great guitar, very light weight, long neck tenon, 57 classics, it's definitely a keeper!!!
For me, that LP is one of the most stunning I’ve ever seen on your channel… 2012 reissue or not! Wow
They actually used Baked maple on a lot of fretboards during 2012. Mine is baked maple and it’s amazing! Super smooth and dark. I have 0 issues with 2012s
I had one of the Classic Customs in Wine Red from 2012. I still kick myself for selling it right before they discontinued them 🥹
The year is 2032. The Gibson guitar market agrees that 2012 LP are the most sought after year
I think it was only really Gibson USA that used baked maple. I don't think the Custom Shop used baked maple on anything.
@@devilsguitaristmusic It was around that time that they couldn't source ebony so I'm sure that's the case.
Same here! someone said my fretboard will fall apart??? its still the same :) and going strong! 12 years later
I had a 2012 LP Classic Custom, with the baked maple board. I was Gibson USA and not a custom shop version. Only difference visually was a lace of back binding. I chaned it to gold hardware and a set of the 490/498 pickups and it was easily on par with a Custom. shop version, which I can say with confidence as I now own a '22 LP Custom 70th anniversary..
They only did the baked maple board for 2012 and after oiling it, it looked and felt like ebony.
The other awesome thing, was it weighed lbs10'6 and the balance was great. gutted i had to sell during 2020
I've never heard of issues with 2012 Gibsons, weird that guitar forums would have complaints about 2012 models in 2016 when 2015 models were instantly hated upon unveiling them.
That's my buddies guitar, well used to be. Cheers from Hawaii. Let me know if you need a blue flame top heritage H-150
@Trog To find out if you have a laminated fretboard, all you need to do is call Gibson customer service with the serial number and ask.
I’d bought a 2012 Wine Red Gibson Les Paul Classic Custom when they were new. Baked maple board, front binding, block inlays, the split diamond inlay instead of the crown, 57 Classics. I regrettably sold it after putting it in and off eBay numerous times. I almost bought a second one in Black but they discontinued them right before I was able to. My biggest selling regret 😭
I'm of the mind that the inaccuracies of the 2012s make them unique .
I really don't mind 2012's. The Traditionals in 2012 are way cool.
My #1 is a 2012 Les Paul Special with a baked maple fretboard. Best guitar I've ever played.
Don’t be afraid of the 2012 LP! I have a traditional model, it’s an awesome, beautiful guitar!
Also remember 2013 the first year of Gibson replacing the Burstbucker 1&2 in most CS models with the Custombucker
Have u ever found 2 guitars with consecutive cut topsheets? Would be neat to have a pair like that to match up, especially with different colors.
Did any of the acoustics is 2012 get the laminated fretboard? Curious as I have a 2012 j200
It's interesting that people think hide glue is accurate. Real 59s used a combination of urea formaldehyde and fish glue. It's amazing that, for all this obsession over hide glue and the exact pickup spacing, nobody ever seems to notice that the pegheads are inaccurate on all of the reissues. Real Gibsons of that vintage have asymmetrical headstocks with a distinct rounded over edge on the right side. Even the Les Pauls.
In other words, few people seem to know what accurate even is, so there's no point in fussing about it. Better to fuss about practice.
I Love this guitar!!! that quilt top and blue colors is amazing. The sound works good for some delta blues.
thats a beautiful Les Paul
Do you measure the neck thickness from the top of the fingerboard or from the top of the fret?
Laminated fretboards are what I remember people not liking about Gibson's 2012 models.
I have a 2012 Goldtop Standard and it’s absolutely fantastic.
👀 that quilt
I had my uncle make a custom with the similar color but i had it styled like the classic 70s flame top
Why are the 2015's hated?
I have a '15 Traditional and just love it, especially the neck. I did remove the G-Force though.
Love the top and color but I like tanks 10lb plus that headstock is beautiful as well kind of mix between a Standard and a Custom sounds great to 👏🤘👍
Did you measure the depth of the inlay cutout? Curious if it was drilled into the bottom part of the sandwiched fretboard, or if you could tell by looking….
You could’ve made a limited edition t-shirt: “7th fret inlay depth….” 😉
No Les Paul and Epiphone the Gibson Les Paul wouldn't even exist today period....Les Paul began construction on what would become the Log in 1939 after befriending Epiphone owner Epi Stathopoulo. Epi gave Les the keys to the company’s New York factory, where Les worked on the design after hours.
His somewhat crude invention consisted of a four-inch by four-inch block of pine, on which he attached a neck, bridge and pickups. He played the instrument live but people were initially bewildered by its unorthodox appearance. No matter. Les Paul had a clever response.
The luthier cut an Epiphone hollowbody in two and attached the two halves to either side of his four-by-four-inch slab. It was now essentially a through-neck construction, only with a separate neck piece. But, crucially, it looked not unlike a regular guitar. Its central pine slab also reduced feedback issues and increased sustain, while the guitar also featured a vibrato bridge patented by Doc Kauffman, the Vibrola. This is the Log as we know it.
My 2015 Classic in Manhattan Midnight has a “roasted” maple fretboard. It looks and plays amazingly and would probably be close to last LP of mine I’d get rid of.
Man, that thing deserves a custom headstock with all the fancy stuff, binding, diamond inlay etc. It will be awesome.
2012 was the first time I considered buying a LP because of the compound radius.
Some people whine about the lack of HHG on 2012. I have a R7, weihgs 3948g and is absolutely fantastic guitar. Only mod i had to do was to replace pickup rings to lower versions. Mine has a low serial so it might even have a 1piece fretboard, but it really does not matter.
I love the quilt out of all the maple tops. That purple and blue hue while a little bit dark is fantastic. I absolutely love that guitar. Thanks for picking it up and showing it to us!
My 2012 Gibson Studio Shred is AWESOME! I LOVE the Original factory Floyd, the quality is amazing.. never had an issue, it's my favorite.. over my 17 Standard.. over my 18 SG HP II.. It is my go-to and has been for 5-6 years now.
Just a friendly tip... try to work on your pick attack dynamics so you aren't always hitting thy strings so hard. It will help showcase the pickups. A lighter pick could make that easier too. I do like that you incorporate fingerstyle, as that helps show the pickup dynamics.
I think i remember seeing this exact les paul on youtube years ago when the original ower first got it and done an unboxing. The matching headstock jumped out at me. Ive been searching for the video ever since but cant find it but nearly sure its the same guitar
I have a 2012 Les Paul special "junior" in tobacco burst. It's the p90 gloss version. Fit and finish is fantastic and I actually LOVE the baked maple fretboard. It's really smooth like ebony and it's much darker than rosewood. Best of all I got it brand new for under $700. I'll never sell it.
I have a 2016 Studio and its the best money i've ever spent.
Don’t think it’s accurate to say that an 8lbs 4-5oz Les Paul Reissue “had to have been spec’d out as a lightweight one”. Agreed, it’s lighter than average but I have a 1957 Goldtop Reissue from 2018 that wasn’t a special lightweight one that actually weighs a fraction under 8lbs! I have a few standard run ones in the 8.25-8.5lbs range like the one in the video. It’s really not all that rare during the 2010s to current era. I’d say it’s relatively unusual nowadays for a Les Paul reissue to come in over 9lbs.
Translucent green is my favorite color. This thing looks damn good. The only thing I could ask for is if it was translucent green I could see more of the wood grain
This is why I have a hard time justifying a current custom shop Gibson. I could spend top dollar for a 2023 59 reissue Les Paul today thinking I’ll have the closest thing to a real vintage 59 Les Paul. Yet, in just a few years Gibson will add some tweak or change and say…actually, this newer version is even more accurate and the one I bought isn’t up to date. It’s never ending and even current versions lack true old growth mahogany, Brazilian rosewood or the old nitro formula. I think I’m more inclined to take a great playing 2012 or early 2000s one with it’s “less accurate” specs at a deal.
Yeah, I've had 8 Gibsons over the years (5 currently, played many more) from many different decades: 40s, 70s, 80s, and a handful from 2011-2020. What I discovered about myself and details is that I don't particularly care about them if they're not noticeable. Long neck tenon? Honestly? I have no idea if it makes a difference and I have a Les Paul with one and a Les Paul without. Hide glue? Whatever. Brazilian rosewood? My L-50 has that. Does that make a difference? Beats me. What matters to me is if it looks rights, feels right, and sounds right. I played a 78 Deluxe that felt awful. I've played Epiphones that felt great. And I'm honestly not sure what it is that's the determining factor but I know it isn't the glue. Probably something simple like the neck profile. Lol
Interesting take on "Over the Hills and Far Away" ;)
This thing sounded great! Not my favorite color too dark for me but I Love the matching headstock too.
Great looking guitar. If I ever decide to buy a 59’ reissue tho it would be in cherry sunburst
I own a 2012 Standard, has a very flame figured top in light burst.
Swapped the pickups out for a custom set and it's one of the best Gibsons I have played ever including a few custom shops. Feels lovely to play,
Don't believe the hype they are no good. I'm never selling this one it's a keeper.
I've had a few mats play it and they tell me to let me know if I want to sell.
Great Video. I'm into the 2014 models with anniversary inlay at twelve fret marker. The Melody Makers have doubled in value in past year and a half, and I have no idea why.
I have a 2014 root beer burst absolutely love it
Everything has gone up, mate
heh I never knew this. I have a 2012 Traditional from June of 2012 and it's absolutely one of my favorite guitars, specifically because of how the neck feels. I find myself playing that more than my custom shops.
Now another one for the also much hated 2015 Gibsons. I own 2 & they kick ass compared to all that has been out since 2016.
That’s beautiful and sounds great! I love the blue.
Honestly surprised it doesn't read Karl Fazer on the headstock.
I have a 2012 Les Paul tri burst with amazing flame wood, I love it!
owned my 2012 sg standard 61 since 2017 and its the best guitar ive ever had. immaculate construction compared to my custom shops from other years.
Nice, if you get a 2013 or 14 . They made a cheap les Paul called a Jr, but ha# all the same as a upgrade to studio with 490 and498 pus trapezoid inlays belly carved
I’d like to see a review of the Pre-Historic ES-335 from 80/81
2012’s are the Outlaw guitars we always needed!
Pre-historic/Historic/True Historic/Made-to-Measure, is that the pecking order over the years in terms of how accurate the guitars are compared to the old originals from the glory days?
Love the matching headstock, sounds awesome. Way out of my price range. 🤤
I have the 2012 classic custom in wine red. A beast @ over 10 lbs. Regularly oiled, dark, baked maple neck. (Eric Clapton said he switched to Fender because he found the maple necks were smoother - as a carpenter, and someone who has had both maple and rosewood necks-I agree:) Resale value has more than doubled ...It's woke... I love it.
I have a Aged Cherry 2012 SG Standard. It has the Baked Maple fretboard. It's a great guitar!!! The neck has NEVER required a truss-rod adjustment. And I had it setup in Drop C for awhile with GIANT strings. and went back to tens and standard drop D. Still neck stayed rock solid. It does have the Celluloid Inlays which have aged so nice. The guitar just looks better and better. The one thing I never liked was the circuit board in the cavity. It's never been an issue except you do notice the extra weight vs a non circuit board model. anyway don't ignore them... great guitars and I have played the FECK outta mine. It was also the first and ONLY guitar I have ever bought new. I got it 15 days after its Born on Date.
Guess they don’t include a pick guard. Not exactly RI.
Beautiful guitar….
Les Paul annoyance: leaving the poker chip on when the pickguard is off…I guess it’s a reminder of what that switch does.
Exceptional deep quilt maple top. 3D effect. Nice grain enhancement. Matching headstock. That kind of odd color on a Les Paul is not usually appealing to me but the top is enough to over look my bias.
If I'm buying a non vintage Gibson it's a 2012 my favorite guitar is my 2012 special
I lucked out with my "early enough" 2012 SG special.
Lmao i love that this is considered players grade - my 2020/21 sg looks like its been played since the 80s
I really do like quilt tops. They just look good.
2:02 I thought that the 2020 - present was when the Custom Shop began using complete Hide glue construction rather than the partial hide glue construction of 2013 +. That is a significant difference as the guitar ages. The current 2020 present models will continue to become significantly more resonant than the partial hide glue reissues. The Andertons tour video mentioned the partial vs complete hide glue construction without mentioning dates. It was at the section where he pointed out that the aniline dye was used in only the 58’ and 59’ custom shop reissues. I will stand by for correction. Thank you.
The tone is in the glue
@@Stagliaf I would like to have heard the complete thoughts of the tour guy about the difference that hide glue makes in the life of an instrument. He was unfortunately cut off by Anderton guy. The hide glue seemed to be as much a point of pride in the Custom Shop as the Finish is to Murphy Lab. It is a humble difference that actually improves playability. And continues to improve over time.
Wait a minute! I'm a Gretsch player. Why have I been serial watching your videos? Guess I just like how knowledgeable you are and how your love of the instruments come through. Thanks!
Usually glue is stronger than the actual wood so I feel like people claiming the fretboards coming apart is extremely far fetched.
I’m not concerned about the year. It looks great.
ummmm why would you want to ruin this beautiful guitar by leaving it in the sun to fade it a bit ?
Geez Louise the top is fantastic.
sometimes it's top wrapped and sometimes it's straight through
I don't think the sun is going to make it lighter. I have a trans blue flame top guitar from 2007, and when you pull the pickguard you can see how much lighter blue it was. Now it has more green in it due to clear coat aging and it made it darker.
" I bought the guitar a week and a half ago, and it took some time to get here ". I'm guessing a week and a half?
It came from Hawaii to Ohio!
I aint never seen a ding that my ear could hear....lol.
Why you might want a 2012:
-The last year they offered "chambered" Les Paul's. So they're light weight and sound like semi hollow bodies despite looking like LP's.
-Baked maple fretboards. Great fretboards - the dark ones look similar to Rosewood but offer the slickness of Maple
Gibson’s cancellation case claims that both the PAF and Double Cream marks owned by DiMarzio no longer apply. It makes the following main arguments: Gibson takes priority over DiMarzio for both marks, because it was selling guitars with double-cream humbuckers and using “patent applied for”/PAF before DiMarzio was even founded.
Something odd about the placement of the high and low E tuners, both set into the headstock too far. 14:28 & 16:18
Sweet sounding yet gritty
great episode! thank You very much, Trogly!
Funny how those crappy bumble bee caps are popular in guitars. I restored a lot of electronic test and calibration gear and if I found some bumble bees I threw them away and replaced them by decent caps. (Black beauties are as bad) both types leak, drift a lot in value and have a high ESR.
Hey Austin! What polish do you use on the gold plated parts?
Love thus guitar. Loved it so much I bought it. Thanks Trogly I am so happy with everything. It plays great its my flagship of my electrics. It's gorgouse.
I have a 2013 Signature T and it’s got the granadilla fretboard. It’s really nice. Smooth and hard like ebony, but lighter with nice grain like rosewood. So yeah, Gibson was doing some different fretboard stuff back then.
BuTTons
Must be an optical illusion, but your strap looks about to op off.
I own a 2012 les paul standard goldtop, and judging from the comments. I must've got the nice one
I also have a 2012 Goldtop standard (lefty) and it’s absolutely fantastic.
Because quality control was at an all time high.?
Sounds great!
Tone monster. That’s the best I’ve ever heard BB’s sound.
I think you put that 5 on backwards.
Should also take care with 2015 and remember that that year the reissues were split by Standard Historic and True Historic and the cheaper Standard Historics didn’t have the long neck tenon anymore. You can tell those by the CS prefix to the serial number (they’ll be “CS x5xxx” in format) whereas the True Historics had no letter prefix at all. I’d argue that’s a bigger issue for reissue spec than the two-piece boards on the 2012, although as Trogly pointed out the lack of hide glue construction on the 2012 is also a negative point so overall you can debate which is the year you want to go to greater pains to avoid! Hahahaha.
By 2016 the Standard Historics had got the long tenon build back and they were then distinguished from the True Historics (which they no longer had such big build spec disparities with) through the use of an “R” prefix to the serial number.
Good additional points to consider!
@@Trog thanks Trogly! To be honest the e last twenty years of Les Paul Reissues are my personal, probably a bit less extreme, version of your obsession with the Gibsons of the seventies and eighties! 😜
2016-2018 is fairly different than 2013-15. Lots of spec changes there. 2016+ is what I always recommend.
I like the top. I'd rather have the laminated fret board instead of these weird wood imports nowadays.
The pickup rings idk
That’s some damn sweet looking guitar!!
Is 2012 hated? Had no idea. Guess I'm lucky my Gold Top is 2011 ...