Thank you so much for doing this video. I run a classic Mortal Kombat tournament in the Cincinnati, OH area every year and it was my first time doing it running on my own equipment. VERY helpful, great info!!
thank you, my friends and i were planning to do an offline kof '02 and street fighter iii local tournament after the pandemic and i'm in charge of the streaming, and i didn't know where to start, this video was really helpful.
Love the video! I think the APOW is definitely a great investment for any production to remove electrical noise. I think for countries that have grounding, it is a much bigger issue to try and remove that noise. I think one of my issues using the Behringer mixers are that you would need to test the commentator's audio. When they scream too loud the mixer always mutes the audio for a few seconds.
i recently started running streams for my local scene and i learned a lot from this video but stream control software is pretty old and most information is pretty outdated. is there any chance you can do an OBS tutorial ?
What is your opinion on USB mixers? Mixers such as the Yamaha MG12XU. I am trying to stream events from a laptop, so I don’t have a line import to connect an analog mixer to my computer. Does a mixer being USB affect the sound quality in any way since you can’t use things such as the ground loop isolator?
This is a great video. I am a tournament organizer myself and would like to know how would you nullify lag on the main streaming setup? So far we've used high end monitors with a 1 ms response time but players still complain about lag when they play an actual game Like SFV or Tekken 7. Any advice or suggestions?
The honest truth is when you use the HDMI splitters, you're likely to introduce 1-2 frames of lag. However players wouldn't really feel this. For example, this was a common complaint at Evo. So a blind test was done with the console directly connected and connected to a splitter. Most players thought when the monitor was connected to the console it had lag! One thing to avoid is using the pass-through on capture cards. While these advertise no input lag, I've also found that results will vary.
@@Offcast Well, to be honest I've not used a mixer before. I used to do a straight pass through the Elgato HD60S from the PS4 to the monitor the game is being played on to the streaming PC. The only problem I've found is if someone connects a 3.5mm jack into the controller, I lose game audio in OBS. A head to head setup with a HDMI splitter would definitely have some lag like you said. But these Benq RL 2460 monitors already have a built in HDMI out that goes into the second monitor's HDMI in, hence I'd prefer every TO enable the usage of these monitors to negate lag, the pros complain about. Also, if it's not too much of an ask can you send me a diagram of how a streaming setup should look like in a Head to Head setup. There are casters who'll be analysing the game as the stream goes on. The components I have are - 1) PS4 2) 2 Monitors (head to head) 3) Elgato HD60S 4) Behringer Xenyx 1202 Mixer 5) Wireless Lapel Mics with receiver (for casters) 6) Powered HDMI Splitter (one in two out) 7) Logitech C920's for player cam 8) Elgato Cam Link (for casters video) 9) Canon EOS 5D Mark IV(for casters video feed) Am I missing anything else?
@@provinggrounds565 To solve the problem with the headphone jack on the PS4 controller, you can actually split the audio output from the monitor's headphone out port. You can connect some speakers or put an audio breakout cable that the players can connect to so they won't mess up the stream audio. My only other suggestion would be to use a 1x4 splitter to send to the Benqs instead of using the passthrough. I used the Benq at some CPT events they sponsored and that pass-through can be a bit funky at times. So basically Console > HDMI 1x4. Two outputs to the monitors. One output to the Capture card. You can use the final output to send to the casters or live audience if you want. Alternatively for the casters you can just send a projector output from OBS.
@@Offcast So, if the monitor has the audio passout, I use that for the players to plug in their headsets? What goes into the mixer then? Can I not use Elgato's 3.5mm in for audio to the mixer? Sorry for all these noob queries. I just want to get it right this time for my stream monsters. Thanks.
@@provinggrounds565 Correct the headphones out on the monitors can be used by the players for their headsets so you don't lose audio on your end. You can send audio from your mixer to the HD60s. If you have a PC, I'd recommend using the Line in port there instead. If you are trying to get game audio into your mixer, the best method is getting an hdmi audio de-embedder as mentioned in the video (these are fairly cheap). However, you can also just use the headphones out port on one of your monitors to send to the mixer if they are fairly close by.
Hi, I am looking to grab a couple of Audio Technica BPHS1's for my commentators, how do you send the commentators separate submixes (so they can hear the other person but not themselves) or do you assume they can hear each other and just pipe them the game sound?
If you have a mixer with multiple auxiliary outputs like the yamaha mg12, you can send each commentator their own submix with whatever audio channels you wish for them to hear.
this is great streaming info in general. I stream music and have some equipment but this has helped me be aware of what other stuff is out there. thanks for this
Sorry, but I'm not totally clear on why the headphone amp is necessary or why it helps? I am running a setup with 2 BPHS1's on a behringer amp (like the one shown in the video) and it seems to work ok? What functionality / improvement does the headphone amp offer?
The headphone amp is only if you'll need to connect multiple headsets to the mixer. Generally I use the 1input 4ouput behringer amp. 2 outputs for commentary and 2 outputs for the production crew.
I'd love to host a tournament in the future to help build a FGC scene in Charlotte. Its gonna take some time, but videos like this help out a lot so I can make a budget and plan this stuff out better. Thank you.
I am a bit confused around the 7:00 mark when you talk abput projector mode? I am attempting to stream events soon and this is my biggest question. The console connects to the capture card. The capture card then goes to the players monitor. How do you get real time video for both the commentators (not thru obs or xsplit) as well as to a projector (or big Monitor for live audience) ?
For this kind of setup you will need to use a powered hdmi splitter. If you get a splitter with 1 input into 4 outputs, you will connect the console into the splitter. One output goes to your player's monitor, one to your commetators, one to your capture card and one to your projector or tv screen for the audience.
Great video. wish there was something like this when i started streaming. just wish someone would make an updated guide for making overlays. the streamcontrol one is really old. i think alot of people use scoreboard assistant now
Thanks for watching! While streamcontrol has been out there for while, it's still used by a lot of major fighting game streams like Capcom Pro Tour and Tekken World Tour. It's a bit hard to learn to create the proper assets and controller, but pretty flexible otherwise.
@@michaeltheemike2441 aren't you from BeastAPAC? You're the eSports & Events Director from their team, aren't you? Do you have something better than Stream Control for the FG's?
Great video. i've been helping out with putting together a decent stream setup for a local group and i've opted to do optical audio to RCA into the mixer since I didn't know about the HDMI audio de-embedder. Would you say that is also a viable option or would that create some limitations?
You may have audio that is delayed behind the video due to the conversion, but if it is a powered converter this should be minimal and you can adjust in your streaming software.
Quick question, when hosting fighting game tournaments with multiple games what kind of internet speed is usually used for events like Combo Breaker, NEC, and EVO??? I'm considering hosting and streaming an Arcade tournament with multiple fighting games. By the way this video is Amazing!!! Very informative, thank you!!!
@@Offcast As far as using a Dedicated Stream only PC would a 9th Gen Intel® Core™ i3-9100 (4-Core, 6MB Cache, up to 4.2GHz) with 16gb ram , Nvidia Geforce GT 1030, be enough to handle smooth 1080p and 720p encoding and streaming??? Or should I go with an I5 or I7 processor?
@@zdog720 Those components wouldn't be able ton handle 1080p, maybe 720. You would what to go for at least a 1660 GPU or one of the latest i7 processors.
@@Offcast Okay cool and thank you very much. I wanted to be sure before I invested in the Machine. So it sounds like having more cores is better to stream then having less cores with higher clock speed?
Hey Offcast, I basically filled my amazon cart with everything but the video. I'm hesitant on pulling the trigger on pulling the trigger on your suggested capture card setup - anything for the less financiallly capable? And if so, anything I could expect issue wise from something low end? Thanks!
Headsets have a headphone jack that you plug into a headphone amp which is basically a headphone splitter that plugs into the headphone output on the mixer. This basically makes it so whatever audio is active in the mixer is heard by the commentators. In more advanced mixers you can actually setup a submix for commentators so that you can talk to them without the stream hearing your voice.
@@Offcast How is this possible? I have been streaming our weeklies for the past couple months now thanks to this video (VERY WELL DONE BY THE WAY) and have been receiving donations towards upgrading our equipment. I have recently upgraded to a tower now from my laptop and would like to work on getting a mixer setup so that I can provide the "talk back" feature you mentioned in this video. I have looked a couple times any time I was curious about it but I have yet to really find any info related to it. If I did, then I did not realize it was what I was looking for.
I have 2 questions, the first is non streaming related, but do you know about HDMI switches? I'd like to know if they cause any lag/latency from my controller input to the monitor
There are an endless amount of HDMI switchers with different capabilities, so I can't speak on them all. Generally speaking though, if you are using a powered HDMI switch, you won't be introducing any lag. Also just to be clear, "lag" from your controller to your monitor can be the result of the game/console you are using rather than from splitting/switching HDMI signals. You only add lag when using non-powered switchers or switchers that do some type of processing to the video signal, like upscaling or converting to another format like VGA.
Offcast , okay so basically I just found this splitter/switch .. it is powered so generally speaking, it should be fine? I do plan on streaming in the future so the fact that it splits seems nice. amzn.to/2W9beEJ
Question! I got my HDMI audio converter... if I put the HDMI output into my capture card I get no video. I did some tests though... I can put the HDMI output (passing through the audio converter) into a regular TV and it works just fine. Anything I can do to my elgato to fix this?
What converter are you using and with what console? If it is ps4 try checking that hdcp is disabled. Also manually set it to output a resolution like 1080p rather than automatic. Which elgato device are you using?
Greetings from Victorville California, our network is growing would like to get professionals for our Tournament and reach out to you for consultations and live projects.
Not gonna lie, I’m half way through the vid, and I can’t understand most of what you are saying. Not because you aren’t being clear or anything, your dialect is great. Just a lot of acronyms and names of stuff that is going over my head. This isn’t hate or even criticism, as it’s all on me. But I’m trying to put together a streaming set up for a community.... but I can’t understand any of this.
Hey thanks for the feedback! This video actually crams years of info and knowledge gained from trial and error in 10 mins. So it definitely can be overwhelming. Actually a good idea for me to do a video on some of the basics. If you ever have any questions feel free to reach out on twitter.
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Probably the only place on the internet with so much specific knowledge and recommendations on this topic, a gold mine
Thank you so much for doing this video. I run a classic Mortal Kombat tournament in the Cincinnati, OH area every year and it was my first time doing it running on my own equipment. VERY helpful, great info!!
Thank you for the 'streaming is a blowup' hashtag advice! Love it!
Thanks for the well made content, it really helps how straight forward this video is
thank you, my friends and i were planning to do an offline kof '02 and street fighter iii local tournament after the pandemic and i'm in charge of the streaming, and i didn't know where to start, this video was really helpful.
That was super useful, can't wait to get my streaming setup up and running
Love the video! I think the APOW is definitely a great investment for any production to remove electrical noise. I think for countries that have grounding, it is a much bigger issue to try and remove that noise.
I think one of my issues using the Behringer mixers are that you would need to test the commentator's audio. When they scream too loud the mixer always mutes the audio for a few seconds.
Thank you, you are amazing. Any update?
Thank you for making this video!
Such an amazing well presented resource. Thank you so much!
Thanks a lot man. I watched to get an insight on the kind of gear used and it did not disappoint.
i recently started running streams for my local scene and i learned a lot from this video but stream control software is pretty old and most information is pretty outdated. is there any chance you can do an OBS tutorial ?
Could you do an updated version of this? Things like RTX Voice have made some stuff a bit less complicated. Maybe a PC specific video?
This video is so educational and useful! Thank you for making this!
Thank you so much for this!
What is your opinion on USB mixers? Mixers such as the Yamaha MG12XU. I am trying to stream events from a laptop, so I don’t have a line import to connect an analog mixer to my computer. Does a mixer being USB affect the sound quality in any way since you can’t use things such as the ground loop isolator?
USB mixers are great and I've used the MG12XU for a while. If you're getting noise, it is likely coming from the sources coming into the mixer.
This is a great video. I am a tournament organizer myself and would like to know how would you nullify lag on the main streaming setup? So far we've used high end monitors with a 1 ms response time but players still complain about lag when they play an actual game Like SFV or Tekken 7. Any advice or suggestions?
The honest truth is when you use the HDMI splitters, you're likely to introduce 1-2 frames of lag. However players wouldn't really feel this. For example, this was a common complaint at Evo. So a blind test was done with the console directly connected and connected to a splitter. Most players thought when the monitor was connected to the console it had lag!
One thing to avoid is using the pass-through on capture cards. While these advertise no input lag, I've also found that results will vary.
@@Offcast Well, to be honest I've not used a mixer before. I used to do a straight pass through the Elgato HD60S from the PS4 to the monitor the game is being played on to the streaming PC. The only problem I've found is if someone connects a 3.5mm jack into the controller, I lose game audio in OBS. A head to head setup with a HDMI splitter would definitely have some lag like you said. But these Benq RL 2460 monitors already have a built in HDMI out that goes into the second monitor's HDMI in, hence I'd prefer every TO enable the usage of these monitors to negate lag, the pros complain about.
Also, if it's not too much of an ask can you send me a diagram of how a streaming setup should look like in a Head to Head setup. There are casters who'll be analysing the game as the stream goes on. The components I have are -
1) PS4
2) 2 Monitors (head to head)
3) Elgato HD60S
4) Behringer Xenyx 1202 Mixer
5) Wireless Lapel Mics with receiver (for casters)
6) Powered HDMI Splitter (one in two out)
7) Logitech C920's for player cam
8) Elgato Cam Link (for casters video)
9) Canon EOS 5D Mark IV(for casters video feed)
Am I missing anything else?
@@provinggrounds565 To solve the problem with the headphone jack on the PS4 controller, you can actually split the audio output from the monitor's headphone out port. You can connect some speakers or put an audio breakout cable that the players can connect to so they won't mess up the stream audio.
My only other suggestion would be to use a 1x4 splitter to send to the Benqs instead of using the passthrough. I used the Benq at some CPT events they sponsored and that pass-through can be a bit funky at times.
So basically Console > HDMI 1x4. Two outputs to the monitors. One output to the Capture card. You can use the final output to send to the casters or live audience if you want. Alternatively for the casters you can just send a projector output from OBS.
@@Offcast So, if the monitor has the audio passout, I use that for the players to plug in their headsets? What goes into the mixer then? Can I not use Elgato's 3.5mm in for audio to the mixer? Sorry for all these noob queries. I just want to get it right this time for my stream monsters. Thanks.
@@provinggrounds565 Correct the headphones out on the monitors can be used by the players for their headsets so you don't lose audio on your end.
You can send audio from your mixer to the HD60s. If you have a PC, I'd recommend using the Line in port there instead.
If you are trying to get game audio into your mixer, the best method is getting an hdmi audio de-embedder as mentioned in the video (these are fairly cheap). However, you can also just use the headphones out port on one of your monitors to send to the mixer if they are fairly close by.
Hi, I am looking to grab a couple of Audio Technica BPHS1's for my commentators, how do you send the commentators separate submixes (so they can hear the other person but not themselves) or do you assume they can hear each other and just pipe them the game sound?
If you have a mixer with multiple auxiliary outputs like the yamaha mg12, you can send each commentator their own submix with whatever audio channels you wish for them to hear.
this is great streaming info in general. I stream music and have some equipment but this has helped me be aware of what other stuff is out there. thanks for this
Thank You so Very much for making this video, really helps alot
Sorry, but I'm not totally clear on why the headphone amp is necessary or why it helps? I am running a setup with 2 BPHS1's on a behringer amp (like the one shown in the video) and it seems to work ok? What functionality / improvement does the headphone amp offer?
The headphone amp is only if you'll need to connect multiple headsets to the mixer. Generally I use the 1input 4ouput behringer amp. 2 outputs for commentary and 2 outputs for the production crew.
I'd love to host a tournament in the future to help build a FGC scene in Charlotte. Its gonna take some time, but videos like this help out a lot so I can make a budget and plan this stuff out better. Thank you.
This is the best video I have ever watched
No, you're the best video I have ever watched!
Thank you
I am a bit confused around the 7:00 mark when you talk abput projector mode? I am attempting to stream events soon and this is my biggest question. The console connects to the capture card. The capture card then goes to the players monitor. How do you get real time video for both the commentators (not thru obs or xsplit) as well as to a projector (or big Monitor for live audience) ?
For this kind of setup you will need to use a powered hdmi splitter. If you get a splitter with 1 input into 4 outputs, you will connect the console into the splitter. One output goes to your player's monitor, one to your commetators, one to your capture card and one to your projector or tv screen for the audience.
@@Offcast thank you!!!
Great video!
What's a good computer tower thats durable and affordable to hold all of these streaming components?
Great video. wish there was something like this when i started streaming.
just wish someone would make an updated guide for making overlays. the streamcontrol one is really old. i think alot of people use scoreboard assistant now
Thanks for watching! While streamcontrol has been out there for while, it's still used by a lot of major fighting game streams like Capcom Pro Tour and Tekken World Tour. It's a bit hard to learn to create the proper assets and controller, but pretty flexible otherwise.
@@Offcast We are working on something new for streamcontrol. but it might be awhile more before something can be out to help everyone
@@michaeltheemike2441 aren't you from BeastAPAC? You're the eSports & Events Director from their team, aren't you? Do you have something better than Stream Control for the FG's?
Great video. i've been helping out with putting together a decent stream setup for a local group and i've opted to do optical audio to RCA into the mixer since I didn't know about the HDMI audio de-embedder. Would you say that is also a viable option or would that create some limitations?
You may have audio that is delayed behind the video due to the conversion, but if it is a powered converter this should be minimal and you can adjust in your streaming software.
Quick question, when hosting fighting game tournaments with multiple games what kind of internet speed is usually used for events like Combo Breaker, NEC, and EVO??? I'm considering hosting and streaming an Arcade tournament with multiple fighting games. By the way this video is Amazing!!! Very informative, thank you!!!
The Arcade Gamer for multiple streams you want at least 10mbps per full hd stream
@@Offcast Thank you
@@Offcast As far as using a Dedicated Stream only PC would a 9th Gen Intel® Core™ i3-9100 (4-Core, 6MB Cache, up to 4.2GHz) with 16gb ram , Nvidia Geforce GT 1030, be enough to handle smooth 1080p and 720p encoding and streaming??? Or should I go with an I5 or I7 processor?
@@zdog720 Those components wouldn't be able ton handle 1080p, maybe 720. You would what to go for at least a 1660 GPU or one of the latest i7 processors.
@@Offcast Okay cool and thank you very much. I wanted to be sure before I invested in the Machine. So it sounds like having more cores is better to stream then having less cores with higher clock speed?
Hey Offcast, I basically filled my amazon cart with everything but the video. I'm hesitant on pulling the trigger on pulling the trigger on your suggested capture card setup - anything for the less financiallly capable? And if so, anything I could expect issue wise from something low end? Thanks!
For capture card it just depends on how many inputs you need. If you just need to capture gamplay, grabbing an elgato hd60 pro or a avermedia is fine.
thank you so much for this video! just one question how do the commentators hear each other?
Headsets have a headphone jack that you plug into a headphone amp which is basically a headphone splitter that plugs into the headphone output on the mixer. This basically makes it so whatever audio is active in the mixer is heard by the commentators. In more advanced mixers you can actually setup a submix for commentators so that you can talk to them without the stream hearing your voice.
@@Offcast How is this possible? I have been streaming our weeklies for the past couple months now thanks to this video (VERY WELL DONE BY THE WAY) and have been receiving donations towards upgrading our equipment. I have recently upgraded to a tower now from my laptop and would like to work on getting a mixer setup so that I can provide the "talk back" feature you mentioned in this video. I have looked a couple times any time I was curious about it but I have yet to really find any info related to it. If I did, then I did not realize it was what I was looking for.
@@SpoonOfHawaii Well you're in luck cause I made video just about this topic! ua-cam.com/video/TzemGWrC5xo/v-deo.html
Is it okay to just record everything and then go back and edit in scene cuts and sound and everything?
It's ok just a lot of work depending on the type of content you make.
Its been 2 years is there anything that you would change from then till now?
Not really, most of the this is still applicable today.
great video thanks!
Do you have any recommendations for cheaper or "on a budget" headsets?
The audio Technica's are the cheapest option. The next best option is buying cheap hand held microphones and headphones.
I have 2 questions, the first is non streaming related, but do you know about HDMI switches? I'd like to know if they cause any lag/latency from my controller input to the monitor
There are an endless amount of HDMI switchers with different capabilities, so I can't speak on them all. Generally speaking though, if you are using a powered HDMI switch, you won't be introducing any lag. Also just to be clear, "lag" from your controller to your monitor can be the result of the game/console you are using rather than from splitting/switching HDMI signals.
You only add lag when using non-powered switchers or switchers that do some type of processing to the video signal, like upscaling or converting to another format like VGA.
Offcast , okay so basically I just found this splitter/switch .. it is powered so generally speaking, it should be fine? I do plan on streaming in the future so the fact that it splits seems nice. amzn.to/2W9beEJ
Question! I got my HDMI audio converter... if I put the HDMI output into my capture card I get no video. I did some tests though... I can put the HDMI output (passing through the audio converter) into a regular TV and it works just fine. Anything I can do to my elgato to fix this?
also while it is plugged into the elgato (and going through my mixer) I can hear the gameplay on my mixer
What converter are you using and with what console?
If it is ps4 try checking that hdcp is disabled. Also manually set it to output a resolution like 1080p rather than automatic. Which elgato device are you using?
Greetings from Victorville California, our network is growing would like to get professionals for our Tournament and reach out to you for consultations and live projects.
Hey Rich, you can always email me at offcasts (at) gmail dot com
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Not gonna lie, I’m half way through the vid, and I can’t understand most of what you are saying. Not because you aren’t being clear or anything, your dialect is great. Just a lot of acronyms and names of stuff that is going over my head.
This isn’t hate or even criticism, as it’s all on me. But I’m trying to put together a streaming set up for a community.... but I can’t understand any of this.
Hey thanks for the feedback! This video actually crams years of info and knowledge gained from trial and error in 10 mins. So it definitely can be overwhelming. Actually a good idea for me to do a video on some of the basics. If you ever have any questions feel free to reach out on twitter.
Oh wow you actually replied! And I might do that... if I ever get a Twitter lol