Thanks Doug. It was a pain in the butt project for sure, but worth the effort for future convenience. I should probably print, laminate and zip-tie a set of instructions to the fuel lines on how to do a filter change for the next person that owns this boat.
Glad I found your site , I have a Fantasia 35 built by same yard as Ramble On , Ta Yang. Exact same fuel tank except mine under cabin sole. Great set up on polishing the fuel , something not looking forward to , did clean tank years ago.
Hello from Panama, new subscriber .Cleaning a "Muddy" 2 tank system as we speak Installed. SeaBuilt brand inspection ports .Sucked and vacuumed out tanks(2-250l). Then rinsed and sprayed inside with a product called PurpleBlaster(Degreaser).. Immaculate now. Highly recommend the Racor 500 series Separator/Filter. Easily serviceable under way. Onwards, Thanks...SAYLPAL
I just got done removing one of those Fram canisters from my boat. I had a slightly smaller Fram and went with a slightly smaller version of the Racor's you've got... Really appreciate your videos and I'm looking forward to doing a transom shower similar to what you showed in another video... I've got a much smaller simpler boat but she suits me for now. Great work man!
Thanks Brett, we always appreciate the feedback. I prefer the filters with the clear bowls just to be able to keep an eye on things, and the hot-swap 4-way valve makes it nice if you have to deal with a clogged filter while the engine is running. Good luck with the transom shower man, and feel free to hit me any time if you have any questions.
Wow man thanks. I'm going to have to start watching a lot more of your videos. I've had my boat less than a year. Went and looked at it. Decided to buy it and then showed up with keys hopped on board and drove it almost 500 miles from Kennewick, WA to Newport, OR. We sailed about half way down the coast before the wind died and crossed the Newport bar for the first time at almost 5AM in the dark after a 24 hour sail at sea. Recently my exhaust riser broke in half and in the middle of the river I had smoke coming into the cabin and the raw water was spraying out of the busted piece like a yard fountain over the top of my engine. Its been one hell of a trial! I started looking for videos on how to bleed coolant and stuff and was also interested in a transom shower video and that was how I found you just this last weekend. But yea I've never really known a whole lot of anything about diesel boats or any of that but I'm coming up to speed quick. Loving it all! You're doing a great job with your boat and your aluminum brackets and stuff are just awesome! They look like they are professionally purchased products made specifically for your boat by a manufacturing line! I'm on a MUCH simpler lil 1989 Newport 33... But some day when I grow up I hope to be more like you! You guys look like you're having fun with it I look forward to learning more about you!
Thanks bilyd, I grew up working for my Dad's plumbing company and sweated all the copper piping in a new production home for the first time 38 years ago. Pops taught me well...
Good video, this is exactly what I am trying to do. My question is that you put in a "T" where both outlets are hooked up. Does this not pressurize both filters together so that you could not change the off circuit filter with the engine running? I was looking into using a 6 way valve so that each filter would be completely isolated if one was being used by the engine. Adding more complexity to an already complex system though! Having trouble finding a single valve that would do this. Gronco has one but it has different size ports on the top and bottom so not sure this would be the best solution. Could do it with two three way valves if I have to.
There is something to be said about Yanmar electric self bleeding fuel lift pumps. My first boat Artemo had a Perkins M60 (great engine) - a bit of a pain to bleed. Great job on the fuel filter assembly!
Thanks Graham, stay tuned for next weeks vid on the secondary Perkins filter change (spoiler alert: I installed an in-line electric fuel pump in the engine room).
Thanks for the DIY upgrade project video. That's a very clean set up, albeit a bit complex to install. Where did you buy the Groco 4 way valve? I've got a second filter and fuel line, but I'll have to price out the valves and fittings. When I wholesaled them 30 years ago they were pricey, SO... We'll see.
Hey G, I got the Groco Valve on Amazon and it was about $90, but you can also get it from West Marine or Defender, etc. for a bit more. The plumbing to switch between filters, keeping one in service while changing the other was a bit complicated to design and plumb, but in the end I think it will serve us well in harsh conditions. After all, fuel filters usually never clog at a time in which it's convenient to service.
Hey Dale, we installed Racor Series 230R2 housing with 30 micron R20P filters under the floor, and the engine mounted Perkins OEM diesel filter is rated at something like 8-10 microns. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching.
Our boat is 42 years old so I'm guessing we're grandfathered in on that boatbuilder's recommendation. It's plumbed fore and aft with over 40 feet of Type-L soft copper tubing for the tank feed and return lines, and I wasn't inclined to re-plumb the entire fuel system for this project. The copper is still flexible (as you can see in the video where I properly bend and flare it), and when correctly supported it'll last forever. Soft copper tubing only becomes brittle (work-hardened) when subjected to repeated flexing back and forth. The transitions from copper to the new filters, and to the diesel the engine were made using USCG approved Marine-grade rubber fuel hose, so some flex is incorporated into the system.
Great looking installation.
Of course there was an air gremlin in the line. This is a boat.
Just discovered this channel and really appreciate you taking the time to post your repair and upgrade efforts.
Thanks for watching!
Your fuel system looks slick as a whistle. Nice one Rich.
Thanks Doug. It was a pain in the butt project for sure, but worth the effort for future convenience. I should probably print, laminate and zip-tie a set of instructions to the fuel lines on how to do a filter change for the next person that owns this boat.
@@svrambleon That is smart as all systems are hard to remember on a boat
Glad I found your site , I have a Fantasia 35 built by same yard as Ramble On , Ta Yang. Exact same fuel tank except mine under cabin sole. Great set up on polishing the fuel , something not looking forward to , did clean tank years ago.
Thanks Dan, appreciate the comments.
Hello from Panama, new subscriber .Cleaning a "Muddy" 2 tank system as we speak Installed. SeaBuilt brand inspection ports .Sucked and vacuumed out tanks(2-250l). Then rinsed and sprayed inside with a product called PurpleBlaster(Degreaser).. Immaculate now. Highly recommend the Racor 500 series Separator/Filter. Easily serviceable under way. Onwards, Thanks...SAYLPAL
I just got done removing one of those Fram canisters from my boat. I had a slightly smaller Fram and went with a slightly smaller version of the Racor's you've got... Really appreciate your videos and I'm looking forward to doing a transom shower similar to what you showed in another video... I've got a much smaller simpler boat but she suits me for now. Great work man!
Thanks Brett, we always appreciate the feedback. I prefer the filters with the clear bowls just to be able to keep an eye on things, and the hot-swap 4-way valve makes it nice if you have to deal with a clogged filter while the engine is running. Good luck with the transom shower man, and feel free to hit me any time if you have any questions.
Wow man thanks. I'm going to have to start watching a lot more of your videos. I've had my boat less than a year. Went and looked at it. Decided to buy it and then showed up with keys hopped on board and drove it almost 500 miles from Kennewick, WA to Newport, OR. We sailed about half way down the coast before the wind died and crossed the Newport bar for the first time at almost 5AM in the dark after a 24 hour sail at sea. Recently my exhaust riser broke in half and in the middle of the river I had smoke coming into the cabin and the raw water was spraying out of the busted piece like a yard fountain over the top of my engine. Its been one hell of a trial! I started looking for videos on how to bleed coolant and stuff and was also interested in a transom shower video and that was how I found you just this last weekend. But yea I've never really known a whole lot of anything about diesel boats or any of that but I'm coming up to speed quick. Loving it all!
You're doing a great job with your boat and your aluminum brackets and stuff are just awesome! They look like they are professionally purchased products made specifically for your boat by a manufacturing line! I'm on a MUCH simpler lil 1989 Newport 33... But some day when I grow up I hope to be more like you! You guys look like you're having fun with it I look forward to learning more about you!
Good job. As a plumber, I like a lot of the things you did. Air bleeding can be quite a pain. Enjoyed the video!
Thanks bilyd, I grew up working for my Dad's plumbing company and sweated all the copper piping in a new production home for the first time 38 years ago. Pops taught me well...
Good video, this is exactly what I am trying to do. My question is that you put in a "T" where both outlets are hooked up. Does this not pressurize both filters together so that you could not change the off circuit filter with the engine running? I was looking into using a 6 way valve so that each filter would be completely isolated if one was being used by the engine. Adding more complexity to an already complex system though! Having trouble finding a single valve that would do this. Gronco has one but it has different size ports on the top and bottom so not sure this would be the best solution. Could do it with two three way valves if I have to.
There is something to be said about Yanmar electric self bleeding fuel lift pumps. My first boat Artemo had a Perkins M60 (great engine) - a bit of a pain to bleed. Great job on the fuel filter assembly!
Thanks Graham, stay tuned for next weeks vid on the secondary Perkins filter change (spoiler alert: I installed an in-line electric fuel pump in the engine room).
Geez - you are impressive - I have to d othat on my boat.
pre filling any fuel filters with fuel saves alot of heart ache.
What brand of pump is that you are using. Thanks
It’s a Carter I bought on Amazon but any 12 volt diesel fuel pump will work.
I was taught to avoid tapered fittings as they tend to crack with vibration,
Thanks for the DIY upgrade project video.
That's a very clean set up, albeit a bit complex to install.
Where did you buy the Groco 4 way valve?
I've got a second filter and fuel line, but I'll have to price out the valves and fittings.
When I wholesaled them 30 years ago they were pricey, SO...
We'll see.
Hey G, I got the Groco Valve on Amazon and it was about $90, but you can also get it from West Marine or Defender, etc. for a bit more. The plumbing to switch between filters, keeping one in service while changing the other was a bit complicated to design and plumb, but in the end I think it will serve us well in harsh conditions. After all, fuel filters usually never clog at a time in which it's convenient to service.
Exactly which size filters did you get ...and micron level
Hey Dale, we installed Racor Series 230R2 housing with 30 micron R20P filters under the floor, and the engine mounted Perkins OEM diesel filter is rated at something like 8-10 microns. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching.
Do you Have enough room to Pull the Filter looks Tight Fit Great video
Yep, plenty of room. I think it looks smaller in the video than it is.
Over time the vibration will make the copper brittle and it will crack.
Copper is on longer recommend for fuel lines. Over time the
Our boat is 42 years old so I'm guessing we're grandfathered in on that boatbuilder's recommendation. It's plumbed fore and aft with over 40 feet of Type-L soft copper tubing for the tank feed and return lines, and I wasn't inclined to re-plumb the entire fuel system for this project. The copper is still flexible (as you can see in the video where I properly bend and flare it), and when correctly supported it'll last forever. Soft copper tubing only becomes brittle (work-hardened) when subjected to repeated flexing back and forth. The transitions from copper to the new filters, and to the diesel the engine were made using USCG approved Marine-grade rubber fuel hose, so some flex is incorporated into the system.