Growing Up Intersex | First Person #18 | PBS Digital Studios
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- In Ep 18 of PBS Digital Studio's First Person "Growing Up Intersex," host Kristin Russo talks with intersex activist and blogger Claudia Astorino about societal misconceptions surrounding intersex identity and her mission to end medically unnecessary surgical procedures on intersex children.
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Claudia Astorino is an intersex activist living in NYC. Being intersex is oft-misunderstood and frequently overlooked, not only within the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community but also the world at large. In this episode, intersex activist and blogger Claudia Astorino explains what it means to be intersex, how the "I" fits into the LGBTQI acronym and the ways in which stigma becomes attached to the intersex body.
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Special thanks to Claudia Astorino, Kristin Russo & Trey Russo.
Additional Music: "Marie Josie" by Podington Bear via Free Music Archive, CC BY-NC 3.0
Executive Producers: Daniel B. Greenberg & Joe Harrell
Host and Producer: Kristin Russo
Producer, Director: Meredith Heil
DP, Editor: Steve W. Thompson
Camera 2: Ariel Min
Sound: Chie Miyajima
Mixed at Nice Manners by Joanna Katcher.
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As an Intersex person... I get this! Love that you brought out all the things I have been feeling with trying to explain to others about it. Beautiful
aaaaa i'm intersex and this is one of the first videos i've seen that don't get it wrong, because they talk to an actual intersex person so yay
+SnapshotOfASoul it's so amazing to hear that, thank you!
+SnapshotOfASoul If other people cannot understand it, that's their problem.
If ur inter sex u can't be gay. Ur both sex's makes no sense
You're not both. You're neither. And sex does not equal gender. I am an intersex person and identify as a man, my attraction to other men is gay.
If you're neither then u just proved my point.
This is so important.
Thanks for your content!
Every episode is informative,encouraging,entertaining,heart warming and super awesome. I wish i had something like First Person when i was growing up..come to think of it, i wish i had the internet.
Of course the I should be included! (I didn't realise it wasn't).
It's great that intersex people are becoming more well known and being represented (like in the MTV show, Faking It, where one of the main characters is intersex and 5 out of the the rest of the 6 main characters fall under the LGBT+ spectrum).
The first Argentinian film I watched was called XXY, which was about an intersex teenager, and from there I began to learn about being intersex and I developed a love of Argentinian films :)
I believe Malta passed a law recently & is the only country in the world world where there is a ban on operating on intersex babies unnecessarily, which is really good for a very religious country.
Again, a great video. peace x
Well, as far as I understood (I'm not intersex), not all intersex people are so sure about being included into the LGBTQ term/community. They feel that their special issues and forms of discrimination get lost between issues of sexual orientation and genderconcepts (generally or binary genderconcepts). In Germany there's also the problem that the term sexuality only means sexual orientation (in "Hetero- Homosexualität" for instance) or sexual activity but not sex - this is called "Geschlecht". For instance: "I'm a woman so my "Geschlecht" (sex) is female)". So in Gemany there is even more confusion about terminology especially among people who aren't informing themselves so deeply about intersex. They think intersexuality is just another new variation of sexual orientations.
And I think it was +Hida Viloria , who said in one interview that intersex people are sometimes also afraid of being put under that LGBTQ label, because doctors might even be more inclined to operate on children to "prevent" intersex children from "becoming homosexuals" in their adulthood. (i.e. operations maybe having a homophobic background).
I hope I got those points right, as I'm firstly not intersex myself and also english isn't my motherlanguage. So bear with me, if I might not have put everything fully right here. Maybe some intersex person can correct or add something if necessary.
+hoppetosse8 I understand you completely! Your English is wunderbar! peace x
+Kats987124 America has an obsession with cutting children's genitals and I hope to someday live in a world where boys, girls, and intersex children all have rights to bodily autonomy.
There's some recent controversy about he portrayal of bisexuals on Faking It--that it's just perpetuating stereotypes and tired tropes. Do you agree?
+Joe Harrell Personally, I love Faking it. It's a comedy and I don't think everything they say should be taken too seriously. For example, Shane says around episode 17(?) that all bisexual guys are just gay, but they haven't come out yet, but I think he was just trying to put off Karma from going out with the guy they both fancy. They never mentioned polyamory, and yet the main bi guy (forgot his name; with glasses) goes on a date with Karma and Shane at the same time. I like the fact that Amy hasn't labelled herself, but some people are annoyed that they haven't used the word bisexual and they say it's clear that she likes both men and women...What are your views, Joe?
Yaay what an amazing video, thank you! I'm so happy to see more and more people spreading awareness and talking about us, intersex people!
Im confused, so if you're intersex and gay, what does that mean? What kind of person are you attracted to? Other intersex people? I'm genuinely curious. I enjoyed this video very much, so lighted-hearted, fun and informative!
My family doesn't count scores in scrabble either. We focus on making cool words and getting rid of tiles too. That scrabble board looks amazing.
It's really interesting to learn about intersex. The element of consent, and lack of it, in the operations young intersex children are forced to have is very important, especially given the surgery's invasive nature. The lack of intersex awareness is a really big issue because the parents and children have a harder time finding alternative opinions to what their doctor says. Great video!
Quite a few elements remind of stuff I learnt in my Auslan (Australian sign language) classes about the Deaf culture & community. Deaf children with hearing parents are often raised with an oralism approach which can be very harmful.
It's important that everyone is aware of these issues, because you never know when it'll impact on your life, or the lives of people you're close to. Not just that, but also it does impact people, and those people are important and their voices should be heard, regardless of how close you are to them or not.
I'm an intersex male XXY but I think that's a separate issue from my gender, agender
_Yay, I saw this and I freaked out! I'm so happy to see a video about intersex!_
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This was amazing! I think the first time I heard anything about intersex people was Lauren's character on Faking It, which wasn't that long ago, so I'm glad to be learning more about it. You have an awesome apartment too!
No intersex person should change who they were born as. No Doctor should change a baby when the baby is born when it comes to female or male or both in one body. Intersex people are people and should have the freedom to be themselves just like anyone else. Parent's of an intersex baby should be more accepting of the human being their baby came out as and not change anything unless the baby's health is at risk.
The Flannel Dragonfly I agree with you
To me it's totally surprising, that when I was in school 10 years ago we were taught a lot about the fact that there are people who are intersex, the different chromosom versions, how often intersex babys are born,... I never thought that my classes were that inclusive, but hearing more about the US education system really makes me appreaciate how much we heard about intersex and other less "mainstream" gender and sexuality expressions.
Thank you for sharing! I learned a lot in just seven minutes. And the cat cameo was a definite plus.
I'm so competitive at Scrabble, I can't stand to play with people who don't keep score. I enjoy it with games like Pictionary, but I feel like the whole point of Scrabble is to add up the points. That's why the board has multiplier squares.
I really hope one day we can see the beauty in all bodies without trying to force them into a mould. The gender binary is a problem, but the sex binary is too.
+MewWolf5 This is a battle that we have to fight on all fronts. Doctors won't stop forcing intersex children into a mold until we get them to stop forcing male children into a mold in America.
What does it mean for an infant to be 'uncircumcised' to a doctor? It is a child waiting to be circumcised by the doctor.
What does it mean for an infant to be 'intersex' to a doctor? That the child is waiting to have its sex chosen by the doctor.
You must mean they wont stop until people stop trying to force anyone whether intersex male or female. You make it sound as if you intentionally left out the forcing of females into a mould as if thats a non issue.
fuque yu Being intersex has nothing to do with how someone feels or identifies. It is biological. People who are intersex can have chromosomes other than XY or XX, such as XXY. They can also have a combination of male and female reproductive organs, such as having one ovary and one internal ovotestis (which contains ovary and testicle tissue),. as well as other possibilities. That's not a choice. That's natural, biological variation that many people refuse to accept as normal or simply don't understand.
MewWolf5 Or we should stop seeing beauty because why not?? It doesn’t matter
@@PatrickSeiter Hi Patrick, actually the innocent infant does not care about either thing either way... right? Except that each of the surgeries is painful and cannot be reversed.
Awesome video. I didn't know much about intersex people before, and it's always great to get these perspectives. Thanks for educating!
the host is playing scrabble with eight tiles? Great show .
I too am intersex, my testis never matured from the fetal ovary stage during gestation. One of my ovotestis became malignant as an adult causing me to have many surgeries and extensive chemotherapy treatments.
I often laugh at the idea that people try to apply rules to our gender expression when in fact we are moving from the center of human sexualities. The best explanation is I can tell what I am not. I am not a male nor was my body a female I'm just a community of one.
Great, great, great video!! i am so happy to see this!!
Permanent cosmetic changes are for consenting people only! Infant boys, girls or intersex deserve to keep their whole body. Including their foreskin, and anything else that a doctor thinks shouldn't be there. Just leave babies alone for God's sake.
She is so brave and amazing!
I love this video. Intersex people speaking from experience. Rather than a psychologist. ♥️
Fab episode as always! More people need to know what intersex is and I'm very grateful to the Faking It writers for including an intersex character and teaching me what that means. (Even autocorrect doesn't understand arghhhhh)
What does being gay mean when you're Intersex? If you're 2 genders, then it's like you're straight, but gay, too.
Just a thought, but I think maybe you first must decide what you feel you want to BE (a boy or a girl) and then you will learn who you are attracted to sexually.
As an intersex person I for one dont believe that intersex should be part of the lgbt community
i,m the most famous intersex in mexico, i was on tv many times, but here in mexico people stil don,t know what is about intersex, and thats why i,m activist, to show the world about us condition
Ok, I just want to talk about the letters (LGBTQ+) and how it's getting long and confusing, not that I don't think diversity should be included but recently I came across another term 'GSM' which I think could be better
What does GSM mean?
+Hakim “Spoken” Lewis Gender and Sexual Minorities
BeauMeztli Oh yea they may work cause seriously I agree with you. The LGBTQA+ is getting so out of hand that I gave up on memorizing all the new labels long ago
I'm intersex, ambiguous, and had tons of gender confirmation surgeries against my will. I wish we could sue these doctors!
Where are the intersex males?
Am a mid 20's guy I am constantly confused with a young girl because I look atypical to males my age and just generally speaking. I thought I looked completely normal but I realized in high school that friends noticed I don't look quite like they did. In college other students noticed that my body and face are feminine in appearance and art class drove those points home pretty hard but I didn't even notice until I learned about intersex conditions.
My health issues are varied and my history includes genital surgery.
My mother insists that I needed surgery to pee, but my birth stories (of which there are many different ones) always include me peeing on the nurse as soon as I came out of the womb. So why peeing became a problem later is a mystery to me as well as the excuse my parents made to leave their families and move to the middle of nowhere shortly after my birth.
My scars don't look like they could be from a circumcision either and I had to do some digging to find out what those really look like.
I have a penis and some pubic hair on my chest, belly and back, but I can't change my bone structure or my bodies propensity to distribute fat on my butt and thighs while almost none ends up on my gut.
I've kept a health journal going back more than a year now to keep track of my increasingly worrisome issues and a disturbing patern of pain, headaches, fatigue, internal/external bleeding among other issues has come into focus.
Are there *any men intersexed or not* suffering from any of those issues? Or am I alone in this group too?
Intersex men are a thing. Even if your doctor lied to your parents (that was a well used method back then) it should still be written in your records. I think you can request your full records from your current doctor.
AbsolX Guardian What do you mean when you say the doctor lied to your parents?
Dear Variant, Are you able to find out if you are XX or XY? If you are in your 20's now, there must be old medical records somewhere that could let you know what procedures were done to you. Good luck, I am sorry you are having pain and problems.
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Not yet. My health issues don't warrant the need for karyotyping. Maybe someday I'll just pay to have the test done. But as a real need... I don't really need to know. Even with the strange issues and quasi-regular bleeding from, I still don't know where. I have filled out a bit, having a more masculine looking frame. At least when I'm naked, I can see it. I'm still pretty slim despite gaining about 15 pounds since posting this 8 years ago... though I also developed a small left boob while my right side is totally flat. It's not attractive and my chest is now adequately and evenly covered in hair. There are more pressing issues with my spine and with the discovery of new brain lesions those are more important to have checked out.
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Not yet. My health issues don't warrant the need for karyotyping. Maybe someday I'll just pay to have the test done. But as a real need... I don't really need to know. Even with the strange issues and quasi-regular bleeding from, I still don't know where. I have filled out a bit, having a more masculine looking frame. At least when I'm undressed, I can see it.
Just to get some of the dumb questions I have out of the way. Please feel free to chime in and educate me on the intersex community:
1. Do intersex people identify as male or female? This may seem odd but given the discussion of biology and gender intentity, I'm curious.
2. Can intersex be treated as a gender in that someone feels both male and female? Again I'm asking on a biological level versus gender identity.
3. Claudia states that she's gay. In relation to my first question, does that mean that she identifies as female?
Once again, sorry for the seemingly stupid questions. I'd rather build knowledge on a steady foundation rather than on assumptions, so I'm inviting a healthy discussion that will broaden my perspective. Thanks :)
+Achromat I think these are really healthy questions and I too would love to hear some answers to those questions. I always worked under the assumption that some people born intersex embraced the duality of their physical body and so didn't feel bound to choose between female or male, However I've also heard that many people weren't given that choice as a child and were than raised one or the other.
1. i'm not intersex myself, but i have an intersex friend who is nonbinary. sex and gender don't (always) coincide.
2. again, i'm not intersex, but, as i said, sex and gender are not the same. like, for my friend, being intersex is an important part of their identity, but so is being nonbinary. so a person can identify strongly with their intersex identity and with their connection to maleness/femaleness/nonbinaryness/genderness. so if a person is intersex and identifies with both male and female traits, they might consider themself nonbinary, or bigender, or genderfluid, or whatever gender they want, in addition to their intersex identity. (and again i want to stress that i'm not intersex and this is just what i've gleaned from my friend.)
+Achromat Great job Claudia & great question Achromat. The short answer is we all identify differently: some of us as male, some female, some as neither, both, intersex, non-binary/genderqueer. Here's a short piece my colleague & I (we're both intersex) wrote about it: oii-usa.org/2719/how-intersex-people-identify/.
Hida Viloria Thanks for sharing your article, I just finished reading it.I confess I'll have to go through it a few more times in order for it all to sink in :) However I found it informative and I'll be passing it along.
+Achromat I'm intersex.
1) They can identify however they want, I personally identify as FTM Intersex. Gender identity isn't really tied to the fact that we are intersex, however, a lot of us were raised as one gender and often feel uncomfortable later on, especially after finding out.
2) No, you have to be biologically intersex to identify as intersex. The term for someone who feels both male and female is bigender or genderfluid. In the case of some native people, two-spirit is another term.
3) If it wasn't answered in the video, I can't answer that for her.
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Definitely. Leave our bodies alone.
Good video!
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Circumcision falls into this uncontested mutilation in my mind too. Here it is rife in our culture for the medical field having a religion of changing our bodies for no good reason but a belief in binary...black and white thinking and ownership of our bodies. Unconscious oppression in our culture.
I’m identified as a cisgender woman because of body parts and legal marriage to a man. But I don’t identify with any of these labels. I’m just appearing as “this”...no label needed.
I definitely stand for the wake up call to the medical world imposing this on the population that doesn’t match an “opinion” (not a fact) of what is normal. If you’re here and healthy...don’t tamper. Like the choice of abortion...let the individual be master of their bodily matters.
great.
what about intersex ppl. who live in islamic countries esp. saudi arabia.
are they accepted by the islamic law or ........!
Does the intersex person in this video have CAIS?
More likely PAIS rather than CAIS, because she looks kind of androgynous. It's not Swyer's (total gonadal dysgenesis), because they said near the beginning that she had internal testicles which were removed when she was a year old. With Swyer's, that person is born with neither testicles nor ovaries, but instead "streak gonads" (which are the remains of the tissue that failed to develop into testicles).
Incidentally, conditions such as Swyer's syndrome and Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome prove that a). the fetus will always develop as female by default, irrespective of genetics; and b) that it's the testicles and the hormones they produce that cause a genetically male fetus to develop as male, not the Y chromosome.
***** Your sex isn't actually determined by X and Y chromosomes. Instead, whether you develop as female or male depends on whether there are low or high levels of androgenic hormones present during the time your prenatal development is taking place. All the X and Y chromosomes do is determine whether you develop ovaries or testicles; the sex you develop as is entirely determined by hormones. Ordinarily, your prenatal hormone production follows your genetics, but if that doesn't happen, then you can end up with situations such as the one in this video, where a genetically male person has developed as female.
Since your sex is determined by hormone exposure over an extended period of time, it's also possible to end up in a situation where you had male typical hormone levels for some parts of your prenatal development and female typical levels in other parts, or hormone levels intermediate between male and female throughout. When that happens, you can end up with someone who's intersexed, or, depending on when in the pregnancy the abnormal hormone situation occurred, a brain that doesn't match their physical sex.
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Is intersex like hermaphroditism?
mammals can't be hermaphroditic.
@@cfrost87 But they can be intersex, if anyone cares.
hermaphroditism is was Intersex used to be called before they really figured it out!