Feminine Men Not Wanted | First Person #5 | PBS Digital Studios
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
- In the fifth episode of PBS Digital Studios' First Person, “Feminine Men Not Wanted”, host Kristin Russo talks with artist and drag performer, Donald Shorter, creator, writer and star of the one-woman show, GENDEROSITY, about his experience as a gender non-conforming gay man, misogyny and hyper-masculinity among gay men, gay sex apps and more,
In addition to his work on GENDEROSITY, Shorter’s resume as a performer includes dancing with Bill T Jones/Arnie Zane Dance Company and touring with Broadway productions such as Hairspray, A Chorus Line, and La Cage Aux Folles.
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Brought to you by PBS Digital Studios and WNET Interactive Engagement Group. Special thanks to Donald Shorter. Find more about him and GENDEROSITY:
GENDEROSITY on Facebook: / genderosity
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Filmed in the Starr Studio at WNET.
Edited at UA-cam Space NY.
Executive Producers: Daniel B. Greenberg & Joe Harrell
Producer, DP, Editor: Meredith Heil
Host and Producer: Kristin Russo
Associate Producer, Art Director: Casey de Pont
2nd Camera: Eric Olson
Lauren Witte, Production Assistant
Intern: Marc Baill
Mix + Original Theme Music: Joanna Katcher
Mixed at Nice Manners
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Just be yourself. Pretending to be what you're not creates too much stress.
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Wow, you must hate yourself if you can't be yourself...
Very, very true.
What if what we are meant to be is flamboyant and feminine.
I don't want to be myself. I want to be someone nicer.
@@noahmiller2468 white liberal men will hate you for making that statement.
As a masculine male, I'm completely attracted to the feminine persona, both male and trans women.
Sure you are lol
Kai Decadence Absolutely! I don't hold back and find you very attractive as well-
Well you're definitely rare than lol
Kai Decadence Thank you for the compliment! I guess I am a bit rare, I always liked being different..and never cared about other people's opinions.
Prove it then. Date me ;)
OMG these episodes just keep getting better and better...thank you so much for producing these. I believe in the good things coming.
Folks need to leave these men alone. If some men are feminine let them be OK. Don't let anyone tell y'all otherwise .feminine men are really just being who they are.
ok but they shouldn't shove their agenda down our throats. they should be tolerant of manly men and christian men.
True leave them alone they should also leave alone young kids not influencing them.
Ugh! I'm an extremely masculine gay guy who is NOT insecure in his sexuality, nor am I internalizing homophobia. I'm sexually attracted to men similar to myself, the super masculine man. Not all gay men are "acting straight" out of fear of not fitting in or overcompensating to prove a point. I've been out of the closet since I was 14. Played football from the age of 9 and continued through high school and even into college. I also raced motocross/dirt bikes. I was fortunate to have an incredibly accepting & supportive network of family & friends.
The male spectrum pole, (no pun intended) is completely covered. Every flavor of male, from straightest to gayest is on it. There is someone for everyone. Fem guys tell me all the time that I'm missing out on great people by limiting my attractions to only straight "seeming" gay guys. I don't "limit" my attractions at all. I'm attracted to who I'm attracted to. That's that! There are a lot of gay guys who are only attracted to the feminine type. Everyone has a spot.
Thank goodness I found a man in 1992, when I was 24, who is everything I was looking for in a partner. A NY state trooper. I have nothing against fem gay guys, but please don't judge me. Or maybe not be so absolute in telling me that I'm homophobic or have issues because of who I'm attracted to. May as well throw this out there as well. I went to my 1st and last gay pride parade in NYC in 1990. What I saw on some of those floats by performers was disgusting. Gay guys with dildos acting out sex scenes right in public. Then scream to the straight community for tolerance and acceptance? The hypocrisy is maddening! Certainly not gonna win over the heterosexual population when we give them ammo such as OPENLY acting out porno scenes in public for 300,000 onlookers, including children.
That sect within the community perpetuates homophobia by shoving the pride flag and sexual proclivities down straight peoples throats. By letting their sexuality define them. Then we cry when straight people use that against us. Being gay doesn't define me. My sexuality is about 1% of what and who I am. The other 99% is what matters. Give out what you want back. Like acceptance, tolerance and understanding of people who honestly may not understand. Fly an AMERICAN FLAG. Leave the rainbows for water droplets to refract, reflect and disperse.
The majorty of the ever growing acronym community are really starting to mimic ANTIFA with their hateful venomous vitriol and still after 36 years, still want nothing to do with the flock of hateful, intolerant bigots. Gd luck!
You have a right to a preference it's like how short men get triggered that women won't date them.
Also yea with the dildo thing That's fucked up you can do that but like not in public.
Gatekeeping is a real issue, dayumm. No, we don't mind u being masc for masc, that's completely missing the point
Keep these fantastic episodes coming, I am enjoying this series so much!
Murder Mochi Aww, thanks, Murder Mochi! :)
Kristin Russo is such a cutie! Love this channel and can't wait to see more - keep up the good work!
I am gay because I like men, normal regular men, not men in makeup or a dress.
Hell yeah brotha!!!
Same. And it’s not to be offensive, like when I was younger I was always attracted the men who looked, acted and presented as men. Femininity doesn’t do it for me sexually. People like what they like and they’re entitled to it🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
I've seen this is an ever-present problem within the gay male community that fem guys are just... depreciated, and even blamed for the homophobia against gay guys. I don't know about violence, but there's a lot to see from the language and, imho, it all roots from mysogeny.
It's not homophobia to not be attracted to effeminate, gay men. If you're a gay dude it clearly seems to be an issue of transphobia and or quite simply the former - they're not attracted to guys in drag. It's a strong preference.
I agree with you. Blaming fem guys for homophobia is like blaming women for misogyny. Completely absurd and unfounded hate.
Yes but those fem gay guys are also femmephobic themselves and want a masc guy! 🤦🏻♀️
Well, the camp thing is a homophobic stereotype.
Let us know what you think of our latest episode, Feminine Men Not Wanted, with drag performer Donald Shorter.
If I wanted a girl I'd go get one.
Exactly...
Okay but is that nesscesary doe its comments like that is what people are talking about when it comes to the gay community just because someone is feminine that doesnt make them less of a man y'all are fucked up in the head about this masculine thing thats why ya still single
If I wanted an asshole, I'd go get one.
no, gem men just need to stop acting entitled to change peoples preferences. attraction to a masculine man has nothing to do with depreciating female qualities. I don’t have hatred for feminine men but those are not the qualities I want in the man I date.
YES YES YES PLEASE AN EPISODE ON ASEXUALITY!!! Maybe you could talk to the creator of AVEN? I don't really know about many other people.
Great episode! Donald seems like an amazing person!
I love your show, it's absolutely amazing and you talk about so much important stuff! Everytime I learn sth new, thanks for enlightening me :)
Recently I accidently stumbled over your tumblr, so that combines pretty well now ^.^
La Luz Thank you for watching and writing! So glad you're liking what we're making. It's all about the great people we get to interview. They're truly amazing and brave for being who they are and telling their stories. xo
Thanks for this episode! It really helped me to understand drag better. I've always been a little uncomfortable with drag because it seems unfair that people can put on other genders when I rarely get seen as my own gender (because I'm trans). But the way Donald explains it as playing with gender presentation and expressing gender in a different way makes a lot more sense.
Yes Francesca!!!!!
Amazing interview. Thank you ❤️✌🏿
thank you i love watching this show!!! what about an episode about being agender?
Kama La mackerel recently gave a talk called 'From Thick Skin to Fierce Femme Armour: On Femme of Color Art, Organizing and Resistance!' She blew my mind, and I think would give an amazing interview, as she focuses on the issues and resilience of trans women of color.
If I wanted to date a woman then I'd date a woman. I like MEN not some guy that likes to put on dresses.
Will Guess what? The whole world doesn't revolve around you.
@@939bb ...All he said was he doesnt want someone femenine...how does he think the world revolves around him?if he wants to date a man than let him do what he want ...he dont have to date someone feminine if he doesnt want to ..tf
Love the series and I'm SO EXCITED about the upcoming asexual feature! David Jay is great, but he's shared his story already, and for many, he's almost a celebrity. I'll throw a new name out--UA-camr Dearlie. She's a singer/songwriter who identifies as asexual. Personally I'd like to see her speak about her experience being a creator and speaking her truth in a non-asexual world.
Beautifully Narrated.
Who else thought that was funky dineva?
AHOY! I freaking adore this interview. I hope that we can team up one of these days. Donald and I have a lot in common. Thank you for going there! We have arrived!!!! _Hope from 'Funny Girls' Blackpool
This was a very good episode and I enjoyed it. could you talk about alternative black girls who identify as LGBTQ. I would love to hear it.
So I am gay man .let me be more specific I am a bottom masculine athletic gay man .And I am not into any femme gays at all.if I wanted to hook up with a woman I d be off with a woman. .i dont care what ppl say .But I heartly support real masculine gay men who behave like men .And I know for sure my mates who are also masculine gay guys ,cant stand femme gays .l
I love his shirt yess
I feel like a lot of yall are missing the point. Everytime this topic surfaces, it's always the "Yeah... and most femme guys are also into masc guys", and yeah that's probably true. However, this isn't at all the issue at hand... He's trying to address the feminine oppression that often occurs in a community where more than half of men have some degree of femininity. Nobody minds you being attracted to masc, most gay men prefer it, and I don't need stats to tell me that - just don't go around telling men they'd get a women if they wanted a sissy boy, it's hypocritical.
Concerning the upcoming episode about Asexuality, please talk with the the founder of AVEN, David Jay
purin172003 Thanks for the suggestion
Feminine girlish boys are not gays
Gays are different
@referral madness i am gonna assume he means transgender.
Genderosity sounds like such a cool show, but I'm in Canada so I doubt I'll get to see it.
You could show the founder of AVEN for asexuality, but I feel like that would be boring, but unless we look around UA-cam for people, I don't know who to ask as a guest.
MewWolf5 We LOVE the idea of talking with another UA-camr about asexuality.
Great interview
No one should have to live down the "labels" society puts on us as people in general.
Hi! I love the video and I'd really like to share it with my friends. Since I live in germany, some of my friends can't understand english that well. So how about subtitles with translations into different languages so more people can be reached? If you want, I can make a german translation for you.
I don't have a specific person to suggest to you for the episode on asexuality, but I really hope that at some point there can be a discussion on poc's relationship with the identity and why racial stereotypes might influence people's choice to or not to identify as asexual. The blog thingsthatmakeyouacey.tumblr.com has some really valuable reasources on this, and also issues of white supremacy in asexual movement. As someone who is white, and does identify as ace I think it is important to look at why other people may not be finding the same comfort I found in the community.
***** Thanks for writing and for the blog link--following it on Tumblr now. It would be very interesting to talk with someone who has a perspective on why racial stereotypes might influence people's choices around identifying as asexual. It's complex, to say the least.
I think Tim Gunn would be a great person to discuss Asexuality as he identifies as such!
BlakeBerry33 Thank you, Blake! That is a fantastic suggestion.
BlakeBerry33 btw, BlakeBerry is an awesome handle.
First Person Thank you! I've had it since 2008...spurred from my (at the time) addiction to my Blackberry haha SIDEBAR...if you ever do a video on weight/size in the LGBT community, particularly with gay men, i'd love to be a part of it (as i'm a larger guy) and express my views/opinions! I think this channel is a great platform for education and awareness!
Elisa Hansen (@ElisaInTime), friend and colleague of Lindsay "Nostalgia Chick" Ellis, is out as an asexual. Considering she's also a mother, I think she'd make a very interesting conversation partner, if she's interested.
***** Thank you for the suggestion!
I'm a mtf and very straight, And i really enjoy watching online videos about drags queens and other people on how they cope with society with their advantage on being who they are. Now talking about the haters that live among us everyday and wanting to kill a man that dresses like a woman is pure hateful, I just wish that somewhere in are system of society that it can be taught in a way that it's all in are right to express are selfs to be who we want in are life to feel comfortable in are own skins. Love sissygirl
This was a great episode. Milo Stewart is a UA-camr who identifies as asexual and aromatnic. They might be a great person to talk to about an asexual experience
Is this one of your other accounts, Milo?
So brave
Uh ,,,,,so, if we are not attracted to you , we just aren't
@@thabangemmanuel4285 Sir of course when I was single I attracted some masculine men an some I did not but no masculine gay man I have ever met had any sort of an attraction to a effeminate gay man . As for "Toxic Masculinity" and" Misogyny ", I am not even going to waste my time ,on that " heterosexual " language, women use to blame men for everything ,and not addressing their overweight to obese bodies for men's attraction to them .
David Jay, founder of the Asexual Visibility and Education Network (AVEN) and subject of the 2011 documentary (A)sexual would be a good ace person to interview. Also, cartoonist Andri Tibbs is a fantastic artist and they may also be able to speak about non-bianary gender stuffs. Andri: adriofthedead.tumblr.com/post/101034804659/adriofthedead-okay-i-realize-this
Jacqui Z. Thank you so much for the suggestions.
You should really have this discussion and it seems pretty straight-forward to me: masculine men are not transwomen or third gender. It doesn't matter if the dude is gay or not. Not even the remotely the same from the amount of clear push-back. It's not internalized homophobia - it's transphobia. Stop conflating.
Ooh! See if you can interview David Jay. He's the guy who founded AVEN.
I want feminine men
"and then i would meet all these drag queens, and see all these drag queens, and they were the ones having all the fun" the gospel
I believe that Tyler Ford is asexual but I'm not 100% positive. They were on the Glee Project a couple years back; they live in New York City.
Great episode!! I don't have any suggestions for ace/aro representatives sorry, but I was thinking a gender fluid or non-binary episode would be good :) I'm not sure if it would be possible but Ruby Rose is gender fluid and it would be awesome to have her as a guest! (she/her is her preferred pronoun). Thanks :D
Oooh another idea for a gender queer guest is Kaitlyn Alexander- she's awesome and may be easier to get hold of, although she's androgynous not gender fluid (but does identify as gender queer) and you have already had an androgynous guest in the fashion video.
Becca Bailey Awesome, Becca, thanks for the suggestion!
I'm very interested in drag culture, so I really enjoyed this episode. I'd love to see another episode about Drag Kings, as I feel like they are often overshadowed by Drag Queen culture.
GirlWithTheRedGlasse Thanks for the suggestion. Love that idea. Any suggestions for a UA-camr or someone else we should talk with?
Unfortunately, not really. I've been trying to do my own research into drag king culture on youtube and not found as much as I'd like.
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'Our' pronouns on name tags. Welcome to postmodernist hell.
Cares!!! No one feels bad for him/her... Cry abt it all you want
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