Thank you for the information. I use the Brooks Dyad 11 (4e), and Hoka bondi 8 4e , I use orthotics due to bunion,flat feet & ankle collapse/pronation. The brooks feels more natural but also feels a lot more rigid (plastic like) vs the bondi which is very soft and shock absorbing but feel non-neutral (not so vertical for the heel + more distance from the ground). The main problem for me with all these recommended models is that they either don't have a wide enough version (4e/6e), or they are not foot shaped (pointy narrow toebox which hurts a lot for bunions and long bit-toe, This is why I dislike Brooks). Altra like shoes solves the foot-shape issue, but they are a disaster according to the guidelines for choosing a good shoe. Also I'm surprised that there is no mentioning about Zero-drop (0 heel to toes height difference), which kind of makes me feel this is someout biased towards specific brands (nevertheless - good ones).
Thanks for the comment. You are correct in that finding a shoe that actually fits your foot and is comfortable is a high priority and will sometimes limit options. Our list is honestly developed by the shoes that we have readily accessible here in Lincoln NE. It is not an exhaustive list, which is why we list the guidelines. A few years ago we had a few Altra shoes on the list as they had good qualities we liked, and for some the foot shape was ideal. The ProVision is probably the best of the bunch, and may still work for some, but we can't recommend it carte blanc as it doesnt meet our guidelines (as you noted). As far as zero drop shoes, they can work for some to assist with heel sense, however for some who habitually move to their toes anyway it can creates more strain on a system that is begging for the floor to come up to their heels. Bottom line.. the 0 drop wont work for everyone (based on our experience) and are harder to find anyway. Remember, for you, finding the shoe that is comfortable for you and allows the rest of your body to move well is what we are after, regardless of the brand... Thanks again!
Which shoe would you recommend for someone who has difficulty to push himself to the left? R foot: Higher arch, supinated - L foot: Lower arch, pronated. Small bunion on the right foot.
Yes it’s the same shoe. Please note since I last wrote my initial comment, I have moved onto barefoot shoes. This is a more advanced approach towards changing my walking form.
I tried the Adrenalines and the 860v 13's and tested better in the latter. My PRI therapist said he used to recommend the Adrenaline's first but these days he notices people on average do better than the NB's. Though I think the Adrenaline's look a bit cooler. The Dyads are dad shoes. Careful with moving onto barefoot shoes before being cleared posture-wise to do so
I know ideally it would be best to work with a proper PRI therapist in person, and have them recommend a shoe for your but if you had to choose between the brooks adrenaline or brook Dyad, which one would you recommend? I’ve stated PRI therapy but still have some right ankle pain and stiffness and some neck tension on my right side
If you struggle more with needing stability and support for your ankle id go with the Adrenaline. If you are having more of a difficult time sensing the floor and feeling grounded Id go with the Dyad.
While we haven't specifically looked at the Kayano 30 a brief search shows that it looks like it got the same treatment as the Cumulus with a significantly softer heel, rocker bottom and is much less likely to provide the support we knew and loved from ASICS. In general we are not recommending the ASICS shoes with these updates for our list as the shoes no longer meet the criteria we like. This doesn't mean this shoe won't work for you or anyone. However the 30 appears to be a much different shoe than the 29, so I'd proceed with caution even if you loved the 29 (which we didn't).
@HruskaClinic big toe and right inner arch sensation. Does shoe size as well as type play a large role i.e toe box? Mine are all smashed up from improper shoes I'm 40..like I don't vene feel my pinky tor for the "tripod" sensation
Are there crosstraining shoes that could make this list? I want shoes I can train in that support my spine positioning (post L4-L5 fusion) and allow for toe splay and proper technique during Olympic lifts. I'd also love a list of hiking/work boots. Finding boots that didn't bother my back took me a long time. I realize that you're likely looking for shoes that work in sessions, but I spent 40+ hours in hiking boots either at my standing desk, leading hikes, gardening, etc.
The qualities we look for in a running shoe are the same qualities we would look for in any style of shoe. We just dont have the time or resources to keep track of every type of shoe out there. Use the qualities on the list and if possible have someone check you out for neutrality wearing those shoes.
Thanks for the comment. Really depends on what impact your "flat feet" are having on your body to make a good recommendation. Remember the shoe list isn't for your feet... its a tool that we can use to help your feet impact your body in a more positive way. There is a category on our shoe list for those with a "laxed midfoot" which is where I'd start, but don't feel limited in that category.
@@HruskaClinic Awesome, I'll take a look into those recommendations. I'm very new in the scene, and just know for know that I have a pretty collapsed arch, and want to get healthier by starting to walk and run more, so I have very limited knowledge on what my foot needs.
Unfortunately the Cumulus 25 is much different (and not in a god way) to the Cumulus 24. The 25 has in fact been removed from the shoe list. So If you can get ahold of the 24 go for it!
@@HruskaClinic Hii again Lori and thank you for your reply! I just passed by an Asics store today where they had both, I tested one in each leg and OMG the huge difference between them. I totally agree, once I stepped in the 25 lost clear sense of the ground, it's very like soft but not in a good way, was disrupted immediately ! But good news got my pair of 24, in which I felt aware of the ground and highly relieved by a certain immediate stability it offered me... Thanks again 🤞😍
The 1080 used to be one of our favorite shoes. The most recent versions have a weak heel counter, too much give in the cushion of the heel and a weak arch. Not a bad shoe but not on our list. Of course, if it works for you, no judgement!
WHY are these shoes better than barefoot shoes for PRI? Why would cushioned and stable shoes that lock your feet make better PRI than a barefoot shoe like Vivo, or Altra if cushioned.
I’m also interested in this…I wear the Altra Paradigm and love them. I have a higher arch and wider foot. The Altra brand gives me room in the toe box.
I have seen the GTS 23 and it looks to be very similar to the 22. We haven't officially given it a test but from what I've seen, it will still be one of the best shoes on the market.
That’s good news thanks! I was going to ask you the same question. It’s very hard to find the 22 in France anymore, especially in the wide-fit. Thanks again for the list and the video! Best wishes
Hi, I've got a question. I feel like my balance is more off if the shoe has more damping and is soft. I've goy high arches so I bought the cumulus 24 but I feel very unstable on them because they are kinda soft. Do you know a shoe for high arches which is a bit harder and has less damping? Would like to hear!
the Cumulus 24 is a fairly soft shoe (and the 25 is worse). From our list I feel the New Balance is as soft as the ASICS so would steer you towards trying the Ghost. I know the Guide 16 is officially in the average arch category, but the Saucony's might give you a harder feel so I'd also try that one on. As always, trial and testing is the best way to find your shoe!
Hi, I saw your comment and thought I’d stick my oar in if that’s ok!? I have Morton’s and Rothbart’s Toe (short, rotated first ray) and I buy a specific insole from Prokinetics - I use it inside Brooks adrenaline GTS 22 shoes. I’ve been wearing them pretty much all day everyday for 1 year, really feels great. Without them I wasn’t progressing with my PRI routine. The Prokinetics insoles have a small wedge which sits under the ball and full length of the big toe. It creates the platform which acts to improve the proprioceptive feedback. They are slim-style insoles and are so snug and comfortable I don’t even wear socks anymore. Good luck.
I have been told the padding on my heels are worn podiatrist recommended a type of asics or brooks shoe for cushioning but i didnt like them so i brought the saucony triumph
can you make a winter edition for shoes that are suitable when it's around freezing temperatures?
Thank you for the information.
I use the Brooks Dyad 11 (4e), and Hoka bondi 8 4e , I use orthotics due to bunion,flat feet & ankle collapse/pronation. The brooks feels more natural but also feels a lot more rigid (plastic like) vs the bondi which is very soft and shock absorbing but feel non-neutral (not so vertical for the heel + more distance from the ground).
The main problem for me with all these recommended models is that they either don't have a wide enough version (4e/6e), or they are not foot shaped (pointy narrow toebox which hurts a lot for bunions and long bit-toe, This is why I dislike Brooks).
Altra like shoes solves the foot-shape issue, but they are a disaster according to the guidelines for choosing a good shoe.
Also I'm surprised that there is no mentioning about Zero-drop (0 heel to toes height difference), which kind of makes me feel this is someout biased towards specific brands (nevertheless - good ones).
Thanks for the comment. You are correct in that finding a shoe that actually fits your foot and is comfortable is a high priority and will sometimes limit options. Our list is honestly developed by the shoes that we have readily accessible here in Lincoln NE. It is not an exhaustive list, which is why we list the guidelines. A few years ago we had a few Altra shoes on the list as they had good qualities we liked, and for some the foot shape was ideal. The ProVision is probably the best of the bunch, and may still work for some, but we can't recommend it carte blanc as it doesnt meet our guidelines (as you noted). As far as zero drop shoes, they can work for some to assist with heel sense, however for some who habitually move to their toes anyway it can creates more strain on a system that is begging for the floor to come up to their heels. Bottom line.. the 0 drop wont work for everyone (based on our experience) and are harder to find anyway. Remember, for you, finding the shoe that is comfortable for you and allows the rest of your body to move well is what we are after, regardless of the brand... Thanks again!
Which shoe would you recommend for someone who has difficulty to push himself to the left? R foot: Higher arch, supinated - L foot: Lower arch, pronated. Small bunion on the right foot.
Thanks Lori!
Fantastic information! Thanks for putting this together!
Great video :) Did you try any other Saucony shoes like the Triumph 20, Ride 16 and Tempus?
I really enjoy my NB 860v 13. I’m noticing a big improvement with my gait. Thx again
is nb 860v 13 and nb Fresh Foam X 860v13 the same shoes? i can only find Fresh Foam X 860v13
Yes it’s the same shoe. Please note since I last wrote my initial comment, I have moved onto barefoot shoes. This is a more advanced approach towards changing my walking form.
I tried the Adrenalines and the 860v 13's and tested better in the latter. My PRI therapist said he used to recommend the Adrenaline's first but these days he notices people on average do better than the NB's. Though I think the Adrenaline's look a bit cooler. The Dyads are dad shoes. Careful with moving onto barefoot shoes before being cleared posture-wise to do so
Thanks im going to try the nb 860. What about for winter activities? Cold, rainy, wet rocks, snow ect.
I know ideally it would be best to work with a proper PRI therapist in person, and have them recommend a shoe for your but if you had to choose between the brooks adrenaline or brook Dyad, which one would you recommend? I’ve stated PRI therapy but still have some right ankle pain and stiffness and some neck tension on my right side
If you struggle more with needing stability and support for your ankle id go with the Adrenaline. If you are having more of a difficult time sensing the floor and feeling grounded Id go with the Dyad.
most running shoes have a beveled heel. are you trying to increasing the heel lever at heel strike with a protruding or firm heel then?
I walk a lot at work, would the NB 860v13 help with walking since it’s a running shoe?
Lori please give your opinion on the Asics gel keyano 30 - it's a new shoe much different than the 29
While we haven't specifically looked at the Kayano 30 a brief search shows that it looks like it got the same treatment as the Cumulus with a significantly softer heel, rocker bottom and is much less likely to provide the support we knew and loved from ASICS. In general we are not recommending the ASICS shoes with these updates for our list as the shoes no longer meet the criteria we like. This doesn't mean this shoe won't work for you or anyone. However the 30 appears to be a much different shoe than the 29, so I'd proceed with caution even if you loved the 29 (which we didn't).
What about inserts for proper arch sensing?
Sometimes they are needed for sure
@@HruskaClinic I meant reccomend one? Aside form folding tissues if love a real insert
@@blink99v Depends on what you need. there are lots of sizes and shapes out there. We have utilized the Currex brand quite a bit.
@HruskaClinic big toe and right inner arch sensation. Does shoe size as well as type play a large role i.e toe box? Mine are all smashed up from improper shoes I'm 40..like I don't vene feel my pinky tor for the "tripod" sensation
@HruskaClinic currex I Google also has a lot of variety how do we choose?
Are there crosstraining shoes that could make this list? I want shoes I can train in that support my spine positioning (post L4-L5 fusion) and allow for toe splay and proper technique during Olympic lifts. I'd also love a list of hiking/work boots. Finding boots that didn't bother my back took me a long time. I realize that you're likely looking for shoes that work in sessions, but I spent 40+ hours in hiking boots either at my standing desk, leading hikes, gardening, etc.
The qualities we look for in a running shoe are the same qualities we would look for in any style of shoe. We just dont have the time or resources to keep track of every type of shoe out there. Use the qualities on the list and if possible have someone check you out for neutrality wearing those shoes.
How about Kuru shoes? Would those work with PRI ?
Hello, do you have any shoes recommendation for flat feet? Love what you're doing, found your channel out from Connor Harris.
Thanks for the comment. Really depends on what impact your "flat feet" are having on your body to make a good recommendation. Remember the shoe list isn't for your feet... its a tool that we can use to help your feet impact your body in a more positive way. There is a category on our shoe list for those with a "laxed midfoot" which is where I'd start, but don't feel limited in that category.
@@HruskaClinic Awesome, I'll take a look into those recommendations. I'm very new in the scene, and just know for know that I have a pretty collapsed arch, and want to get healthier by starting to walk and run more, so I have very limited knowledge on what my foot needs.
Thanks Lori ❤ Is the Asics Cumulus 25 similar to the 24 ? Cz recently and specifically in France not much of 24 available...
Unfortunately the Cumulus 25 is much different (and not in a god way) to the Cumulus 24. The 25 has in fact been removed from the shoe list. So If you can get ahold of the 24 go for it!
Check this out. ua-cam.com/video/yLYq8PRjgh4/v-deo.html
@@HruskaClinic Hii again Lori and thank you for your reply! I just passed by an Asics store today where they had both, I tested one in each leg and OMG the huge difference between them. I totally agree, once I stepped in the 25 lost clear sense of the ground, it's very like soft but not in a good way, was disrupted immediately ! But good news got my pair of 24, in which I felt aware of the ground and highly relieved by a certain immediate stability it offered me... Thanks again 🤞😍
Hi! What are you sandal recommendations? Is the Milano still a good one that y’all recommend? Thank you
Heres a video from Lori from last spring about sandals.
ua-cam.com/video/n-0JQ5pzLq8/v-deo.html
what do you suggest for high arch people
im curious what you think about the New Balance 1080 V12
The 1080 used to be one of our favorite shoes. The most recent versions have a weak heel counter, too much give in the cushion of the heel and a weak arch. Not a bad shoe but not on our list. Of course, if it works for you, no judgement!
What do professional PRI folks think about minimalist shoes? Yes? No?
I wish there were shoes that are less casual than listed ones. They look too athletic and doesn’t fit company’s outfit code “No mesh sneakers”.
WHY are these shoes better than barefoot shoes for PRI? Why would cushioned and stable shoes that lock your feet make better PRI than a barefoot shoe like Vivo, or Altra if cushioned.
I’m also interested in this…I wear the Altra Paradigm and love them. I have a higher arch and wider foot. The Altra brand gives me room in the toe box.
What about for dress shoes?
Insight on dress shoes would be massively helpful - still in a conservative office and can't quite get away with sneakers during the workday
Thoughts on the adrenaline GTS 23? The 22 is out of stock in my size
I have seen the GTS 23 and it looks to be very similar to the 22. We haven't officially given it a test but from what I've seen, it will still be one of the best shoes on the market.
That’s good news thanks! I was going to ask you the same question. It’s very hard to find the 22 in France anymore, especially in the wide-fit.
Thanks again for the list and the video! Best wishes
Hi, I've got a question.
I feel like my balance is more off if the shoe has more damping and is soft. I've goy high arches so I bought the cumulus 24 but I feel very unstable on them because they are kinda soft.
Do you know a shoe for high arches which is a bit harder and has less damping?
Would like to hear!
the Cumulus 24 is a fairly soft shoe (and the 25 is worse). From our list I feel the New Balance is as soft as the ASICS so would steer you towards trying the Ghost. I know the Guide 16 is officially in the average arch category, but the Saucony's might give you a harder feel so I'd also try that one on. As always, trial and testing is the best way to find your shoe!
@@HruskaClinic thanks! Are the Ghosts 14 and 15 both okay?
Does having Morton's toe affect these reccomendations? Is there an ideal model for that?
Hi, I saw your comment and thought I’d stick my oar in if that’s ok!?
I have Morton’s and Rothbart’s Toe (short, rotated first ray) and I buy a specific insole from Prokinetics - I use it inside Brooks adrenaline GTS 22 shoes. I’ve been wearing them pretty much all day everyday for 1 year, really feels great. Without them I wasn’t progressing with my PRI routine.
The Prokinetics insoles have a small wedge which sits under the ball and full length of the big toe. It creates the platform which acts to improve the proprioceptive feedback. They are slim-style insoles and are so snug and comfortable I don’t even wear socks anymore.
Good luck.
is nb 860v 13 and nb Fresh Foam X 860v13 the same shoes? i can only find Fresh Foam X 860v13
I believe so
I have been told the padding on my heels are worn podiatrist recommended a type of asics or brooks shoe for cushioning but i didnt like them so i brought the saucony triumph