Thank you all for the many comments, much appreciated. I'm glad to see that there are also different opinions, this is precisely the beauty of music, everyone feels it with their own emotions. As I said in the video the GX-80 and CS-80 are both fantastic instruments (in fact I own both!). My preference in this case goes to the GX-80 but as I said above it's a personal perception. Good music everyone and if you like, subscribe to the channel so that it can create more and more content. Thank you all!
I have both. The increased complexity of the Cherry Audio's GX-80 integration is a complete non-issue. I own several plugins that have far more numerous and complex parameters, this doesn't even rate with those bad boys. The sound of the CA unit is simply stellar. The Bladerunner/Vangelis sounds are PERFECT! Buy it, it's a bargain!
The more I listen through the GX patches, the more I'm impressed. This is the new flagship of the CA fleet. Head and shoulders above other CS-80 emulations.
I have both. I’ve only been playing with the GX for a short while obviously but I think I can hear a difference. To my ears the Arturia is a little bigger and creamier and much closer to the classic sound. But that doesn’t negate the beautiful work Cherry Audio has done here. Its hybrid approach makes it something quite unique and a welcome addition. It’s something like a brother or sister to the Arturia. Both are great!
I owned a CS80 for many years and quite a few CS60s and one CS50. Based on this demo the GX80 sounds more accurate to me, seems to capture the more complex HF overtones. Just wished i still had those CS80 and 60s ( very nice also) gigged one and recorded with it in the 80s.
I've owned the Arturia V Collection for several years now and I've been trying out the Cherry Audio GX80 on and off for a few weeks. They're both excellent; I can't separate them. So far it comes down to this: - If you already own the Arturia version, stick with it. - If you find 3 or 4 instruments in the Arturia V Collection (totalling MORE individually than the full collection), get the V Collection. - Otherwise, get the Cherry Audio.
Update: This is my second comment and after just watching Tim Shoebridge demonstrating this synth on Cherry Audio's channel, I bought it straight away! What didn't come across in Andrew's video for me is that the GX80 is more than a CS80 emulation - it's actually a GX1 and CS80 emulation! It also supports some amazing aftertouch and modulation features which you don't get on Arturia's CS80 plugin. For the price at the moment especially the GX80 was a no brainer.. Thank you Andrew for lighting the fuse on this one, and thanks to Tim Shoebridge and Cherry Audio for keeping that fuse burning! 😊
Both plugs are really nice IMO. I have the CA GX80, totally satisfied. The Arturia CS80 may have some advantages, but I really like the GX1 filter options in the GX80, which opens up a whole lot of subtly different tones. It's really like having another synth sound wise with the same layout. The GX80 sounds great to my ears, it can do all the CS80 and GX1 sounds. Sounds authentic to me, not hard to listen to a commercial recording featuring either synth, and matching the tone 100%. I'd go as far too say I don't even want a CS80 or GX1, if I owned either, or both if sell them straight away. Who wants the hassle of dealing with heavy old synths with 50 year old, unreliable electronics. I love the DAW integration too of plugs. VSTs have really advanced in the last 20 years, really there is no reason to deal with hardware, unless you want too.
Really cool video! On the other hand I’d have loved you to match settings between two emulations to hear color differences. Specially with reverb & reverb disengaged.
So, after buying three different versions of CS-80 emulation from Arturia, Memorymoon and Cherry Audio - GX-80 - I can say that the first two sound the most like a CS-80. The Arturia Vintage Collection 9 is such a treasure trove of synths, why not pick it up? Unless the offerings at Cherry Audio will fill your synthing needs handily, and it well could. The GX-80 doesn't sound like a CS-80, but some sort of turbocharged monster synth hybrid. I have to make a quick edit here, because one thing I forgot is that a GX-1 is two CS-80s with more parameters, which means four separate synth layers available. And you can play all four layers at once with one of the GX-1s keyboards, which is a huge sound, so my apologies for saying earlier that this is some kind of turbocharged monster synth. At the original retail price of $35,000 - well over $100,000 today - yes, Yamaha made a beast of a synth which only people like Stevie Wonder, Vangelis or Keith Emerson could afford. Another detail I forgot is that the GX-1 filters were a lighter 9db slope versus the CS-80s 12db, so they had a slightly fizzier but still nice quality to them. Two flavors to mix and match as you please for hybrid monster massiveness. What's more, Cherry Audio added a few more features to this monster, and who doesn't want more features? Like giving the Oberheim Eight Voice ADSR envelopes over the original's ADS envelopes, which are more trouble to get the decays out of them you like for a patch. If you want a sleeper suggestion, I have one. Get the GForce Oddity 3 and use it in poly mode. You essentially have a poor man's ARP/Rhodes Chroma emulation with three oscillators - one a sub but it has a saw/square wave selection and is fully tunable. Likewise if you have Arturia's Vintage Collection, which I do, the ARP 2600 does the same thing in poly mode, and is a patchable monster to boot.
For me the ultimate test is when composing a track, bringing in a new soft synth (trial version), and finding a prefect tone within less than a minute. This automatically leads to a fantastic new musical part, and I am sold. - the same goes for efx.
Very cool, sounds like the cs-80 v has more of the original yamaha filter effect while the gx-80 has a newer clearer filter quality. Nice comparison!! Good job Andrew!!
I wonder if Cherry like UAD uses physical modeling of each electronic component. This is much more accurate than say WAVES and Arturia which just model audio output responses.
Thanks for this test. It would be good to compare the Arturia CS80 with the memorymoon ME80. I feel the ME80 is more authentic than the arturia and the cherry audio.
I have both Arturia's CS-80 (whose sound engine that rebuilt last year, and the version 4 is clearly the best version of the Arturia synth to date). I only own the Elka-X and GX-80 by Cherry Audio, but to my mind the Cherry Audio synths both sound as if they have better analogue "feel", with richer sounds, than Arturia does, in spite of the additional features that the Arturia synth does. The GX-80 has a few hundred more presets too, if that is your thing.
Native Instruments Komplete new Mk3-controller (The S-series) features both polyphonic aftertouch (And Midi 2.0 compatibility) AND has a touchstrip. Just like the CS80!
I own both and although Arturia did a great job the GX80 takes the sound to a whole other level. You can play Vangelis with your eyes closed and really feel the difference. Btw, I own a good number of hardware synths and the GX80 holds its own against them.
thx for this video. Don't worry about your English. I would have also liked a more exact patch comparison for Brass for instance, not just a preset comparison that is wildly different. thx nonetheless. I don't see the point right away in getting the GX as I already have the memory moon & Arturia V80
When it came out the CS80 was a monster synth, but within a few short years the Sequential Prophet~5 defined what a big poly synth sound was going to be forever after. The GX80 has a decidedly bigger sound than the CS80, possibly because of the GX1 modeling done in it. And do take note that the CS80 doesn't sound like a GX1, and the GX80 is named for this hybrid build of the two synths. Playing off of what @houdinididiit stated before, the CS80 is a slightly creamier sound, the GX1 is a bigger badder sound, worthy of Keith Emerson. So I want both, and have the wonderful Arturia Vintage Collection featuring the CS80, and it does a great job. As well as the Origin hardware synth which uses a few choice hunks of the Arturia softies like the CS80, and I spend most of my time with it making a number of vintage synthesizers. When I can tear myself away from the Origin, Arturia VC. Omnisphere and Zebra, I intend to add a few Cherry Audio pieces to my DAW, as well as a few of GForce's offerings like the Oberheim Bundle.
Hello, thanks for the video. I hope you don’t mind if I comment on your audio levels. When you are talking it goes from very quiet to very loud. As I was listening on headphones it was a bit much for my poor ears.
as someone who has a real cs80, both are very good. but you miss the after touch and the keyboard that is a complete controller. also the pornamento strip needs to be touch, though with a touch screen its a little better. but for the price cherry stuff is great.
One of the key aspects of the cs80 is the play action from a keyboard. The response seems to be programmable on the cs80v. The other key aspect of the original was that the oscs were never in tune. The sine wave is an important element too as the volume adjustment should be subtle. This is where the old cs80v v3 got it wrong but now is corrected In the v4.
None of the real CS-80 hardware demos I found sound as flat as the Arturia - not even close. They sound just slightly phatter and a wee bit richer than the GS-80.
That is a very difficult comparison. I agree overall the GX wins, however you've also shown here how great both of these synths would sound *together*. The GX sounds deeper and richer, while the CS sounds more authentic. Together it's the best of both worlds! Even already owning VC9, I still think that adding the GX to my synth collection will be worthwhile... so thanks for pushing me in that direction :D
A think, in your test the Cherry Audio synth just sounds more like I would expect a CS80 to sound. There's more of a Vangelis vibe to it. I already own the Arturia, but I think I'll have to get the Cherry Audio as well, just to have best of both worlds. A no-brainer, for the price Cherry Audio is calling.
I find this comparison very odd and seems to attempt to make the Cherry Audio GX80 sound better. For example, you have chosen a normal Brass sound for the GX80, yet a sound called Ascendant brass for the Arturia CS80, which must be the worst Brass sound it has. Same with the 'preset string' . If you actually use the little preset buttons then I am afraid the GX80 is really bad, whereas the CS80 sounds very good, very authentic. Same for the keys ...the CS80 has a very nice emulation of the famous CS electric piano, used so much by vangelis. feel you chose some of the CS80's worst presets when making the comparison The GX80 isn't a bad synth and has some really nice sounds, but it isn't as good as the CS80. The CS80 sounds more 'analogue'. Then again, it is much more expensive, so should be better.....and it is.
If you whatch all the video you see that I consider CS-80 an incredibile Synth (I've it). Also the GX-80 is not a Simply CS-80 emulation but is a different instrument. I've explain all in the video. Thank for your comment, I love to hear different opinions.
@@AGDugros Hi I did listen to your whole video and understand. But never the less, your choice Of presets chosen for the Arturia seemed to be some of its worst. As such, doesn't seem like a good comparison, and may put people off the Arturia. Peace ✌️
I did try the Arturia CS80V demo for quite a while, with , without fx, not impressed!. The GX-80 has much fatter sound and has a really good GX-1 emulation, i would choose the GX-80 over the Arturia CS80V any day!. I dont need 99% perfect emulation of CS80. Another thing is, When the Cherry Audio did released the Elka X, the Elka X, is by far best emulated Elka Synthex, a few software company did a poor emulation of a the Elka Synthex. The only poor emulation cherry audio did, is CA2600 (ARP 2600), which arturia does far better and allso include the most important thing , sequencer /arpeggiator. Cherry audio did not integrate a sequencer /arpeggiator, which is a shame.
The comparison you make @5:22 between the two CS strings settings is a bit pointless, they sound identical if you open up the Arturia's filter, playing one with the filter open and one with it closed is a little pointless.
These are the factotry library presets without any touch about the user. So I've no conditioned any sound, only load It (I've did in the video) only load the presets.
These are synthesizers, not romplers. Doesn’t make any sense to compare sounds due to their names, imho. Why not just dial in the same string and brass sound on both? Too lazy? Then CS80 samples will outperform both, for sure! I did a review of Arturias CS80V rev4 vs. rev3. Both Arturias sound very different, too. And my CS60 sounds very different from all of these, again.
Sometimes the volume of the video was a bit to dynamic 🤪. I would had liked a comparison of one oscillator from both machines, maybe with an oscilloscope app for the visualization. But in the end ….. You made me buy the GX-80, already having the Arturia one. 👍🏽🧔🏼🙏🏽
I have the arturia and demoed the ca. I have to say that the ca sounds like every ca synth. They all seems have the same dna. The cs80 sounds like the memprymoog and vice versa. There is more in the optical difference than in the sound. I bet rhe using the same sound framework for all theyr synths. They all sound the same for me but the miniverse witch sounds really fat. So the arturia have much more character.
The CA unit sounds more processed, the Arturia sounds like if you have the unit without effects in front of you. I like the Arturia ones better becuae of this.
You might want to re-render (with a compressor plugin?) and re-upload this video, because the volume levels of the speech are all over the place. I had the subtitles on and enjoyed it, but other people will just quit if they can't hear it properly.
CS 80 sounded more vintage. Maybe it's not always good to have too much possibilites to tweak the sound, like with the GX 80 presets. Obviously you can limit yourself with the GX 80. But some of the presets sounded too modern to me.
GX-80: MPE is not part of the design due to the complexity that would arise from GX-80's dual layer architecture. It does feature polyphonic aftertouch, for the controllers that do support that. If you haven't already tried the demo, check it out! "GX-80 boasts an impressive, dual-layer voicing architecture outfitted with 16 polyphonic voices per layer. The instrument is capable of sounding two different CS-80 style sounds simultaneously, while panning each rank independently, to produce exquisitely rich stereo timbres and complex, layered sounds. For ultimate flexibility and expressive performance, GX-80 provides a split keyboard mode and a clever option to simulate polyphonic aftertouch with a monophonic aftertouch controller."
Although Vangelis passed away, from the sort demo presets that I heard, the GX-80 by Cherry Audio will probably resurrect Vangelis and bring him back "alive" in everyone's home or pro music production studio! The Arturia sounded "different" although the modern capabilities it has, but I think I can live without them. Although it sounded "different", someone can create "different" sounding patches... Thanks for the video! You deserve a LIKE & yes.... I subscribed too!
Petite suggestion amicale : tu devrais faire tes vidéos en français en laissant les sous-titres anglais, si cette option est possible. On a trop peu de chaînes francophones, et je pense que tes vidéos y gagneraient 🙂Merci pour cette comparaison en tout cas !
I’ve got the arturia and I’ve just tried the GX 80 - to be honest I find them both a bit boring - I’d probably fly thru the presets if I’m trying to find a sound but other then that not interested in programming it. I can understand the interest in these things but far better ways to get stunning sounds these days - but saying that it’s as cheap as chips so if you not got much money then it could be worth your time 😊
I have two restored Yamaha CS-80's. If you noodle around with any curiosity for any length of time, it will hand you presents like it's Christmas and New Year's combined. It can't help but make hits in the right hands. I purposely don't release anything because it would be unfair;-) It's about the player too. lol I wish I could help others who never get the chance to get comfortable on one. To understand the magic the original has is sublime.
@@AGDugros That is not an excuse, moreover all GX-1 additions in GX-80 are marked in orange, so you could simply not use them and all other controls should be close to each other. Even if they are not so close, you could still try to match them - there are a lot of other comparisons of even different synths around UA-cam, where they make them sound similar. This comparison is absolutely pointless.
For my ear the Cherry Audio GX 80 exhibits a sound richer in overtones, whereas the Arturia CS 80 sounds for me more plain sinusoid. BUT i also believe that here we compare the tessitura of different song voices, or as in photography some like more brillant rich and satturated colours, others more the unsaturated palette, some prefer razor sharp outlines, whereas other prefer a softer, graduated impression; THEREFORE, not only it depends to the small channel of information we can channel into our brains, but also the subjective impression and actual mood we are in. Lets wait, what results and emotions the artists of this planet will evoke.
Comparing the synths based on preset name seems weird to me. Brass is a very common name and so it is to be expected that they will not be the same. You need to compare the same settings, not the preset name. I have seen better videos about these synths for sure. This comparison is unfair on too many levels.
Hello David, shure is correct to compair with the same setting, but in this video I’ve made a comparison that a “normal” user can do for the first time. So is a choice that I’ve made. Thank for your comment.
@@AGDugros But this is as fair as comparing two drum sets with the preset name "Drums". Those names are just too general and therefore can not be compared.
@@davidgroeneveld1382 no Is not the same because the 2 Sounds are a specific name CS that remind to a specific Synth. A normal user that buy this Synth for the first time Shure try the presets named CS that remind to the original Synth. Obviously there are many others approach to made a video.
@@proxymerchant They are not all in the same room and I can't post pics here (?)... but if you look on my channel there's lots of videos with the CS's amongst them. You'll need to peruse them. :)
So that's his 15 minutes of fame over with. Next will be his chariots of fire remix. Tuning out by 4cent and a strong smell of fried transistors. What you doing on UA-cam , haven't you got a museum to run.
For a synth like this really what matters is how close to the original and the Cherry Audio just doesn't sound like it. So at that point all of the creativity stuff doesn't matter because you can get other soft synths that have plenty of creative power.
Thank you all for the many comments, much appreciated.
I'm glad to see that there are also different opinions, this is precisely the beauty of music, everyone feels it with their own emotions. As I said in the video the GX-80 and CS-80 are both fantastic instruments (in fact I own both!). My preference in this case goes to the GX-80 but as I said above it's a personal perception. Good music everyone and if you like, subscribe to the channel so that it can create more and more content. Thank you all!
I have both. The increased complexity of the Cherry Audio's GX-80 integration is a complete non-issue. I own several plugins that have far more numerous and complex parameters, this doesn't even rate with those bad boys. The sound of the CA unit is simply stellar. The Bladerunner/Vangelis sounds are PERFECT! Buy it, it's a bargain!
The more I listen through the GX patches, the more I'm impressed. This is the new flagship of the CA fleet. Head and shoulders above other CS-80 emulations.
@@darylyager414 i was expecting a cs80 from cherry, I am curious to try this hybrid
I also have both. My Choice is GX80
Same as the owner of both Cherrys version impressed me more!
@@darylyager414 The CA Elka-X and Harmonia plugs are also really awesome.
I have both. I’ve only been playing with the GX for a short while obviously but I think I can hear a difference. To my ears the Arturia is a little bigger and creamier and much closer to the classic sound. But that doesn’t negate the beautiful work Cherry Audio has done here. Its hybrid approach makes it something quite unique and a welcome addition. It’s something like a brother or sister to the Arturia. Both are great!
I wanted to chime in on this, but I think I'll so it above in it's own place. You're exactly right.
I owned a CS80 for many years and quite a few CS60s and one CS50. Based on this demo the GX80 sounds more accurate to me, seems to capture the more complex HF overtones. Just wished i still had those CS80 and 60s ( very nice also) gigged one and recorded with it in the 80s.
CS80 owner here. I agree with you that the GX80 sounds more like the hardware.
If you had taken the $6,900 you spent on the CS-80 in 1980, and invested it in Apple stock instead, you'd have $15 million right now.
Not to mention they are worth 60 grand now if you still had it.
Did you invest in Apple in 1980? @@commodoor6549
I can only judge from videos, but I totally agree. Arturia sounds like a dated toilet fart.
I've owned the Arturia V Collection for several years now and I've been trying out the Cherry Audio GX80 on and off for a few weeks.
They're both excellent; I can't separate them.
So far it comes down to this:
- If you already own the Arturia version, stick with it.
- If you find 3 or 4 instruments in the Arturia V Collection (totalling MORE individually than the full collection), get the V Collection.
- Otherwise, get the Cherry Audio.
I'm down for any CS-80 software comparisons.
And it doesn't need to be exact patch sounds, filters, etc. Appreciate you doing this!
Thank you!
I own both and several versions of the CS-80. I LOVE the GX-80!!!
I have both of these. They both sound stellar, but I like the flexibility and greater depth of the Cherry Audio a little better.
Update: This is my second comment and after just watching Tim Shoebridge demonstrating this synth on Cherry Audio's channel, I bought it straight away! What didn't come across in Andrew's video for me is that the GX80 is more than a CS80 emulation - it's actually a GX1 and CS80 emulation! It also supports some amazing aftertouch and modulation features which you don't get on Arturia's CS80 plugin. For the price at the moment especially the GX80 was a no brainer.. Thank you Andrew for lighting the fuse on this one, and thanks to Tim Shoebridge and Cherry Audio for keeping that fuse burning! 😊
Thank you for your comment. 3:29 I've explain the concept of GX-80😀 very appreciated your opinion!
@@AGDugros You did and it was my bad that I missed this and also didn't appreciate the additional features. 👍🏻
the arturia version also supports MPE i believe?
@@tendingtropic7778 yes, some other cherry audio synths support MPE so I think is a choice.
Both plugs are really nice IMO. I have the CA GX80, totally satisfied.
The Arturia CS80 may have some advantages, but I really like the GX1 filter options in the GX80, which opens up a whole lot of subtly different tones.
It's really like having another synth sound wise with the same layout.
The GX80 sounds great to my ears, it can do all the CS80 and GX1 sounds. Sounds authentic to me, not hard to listen to a commercial recording featuring either synth, and matching the tone 100%.
I'd go as far too say I don't even want a CS80 or GX1, if I owned either, or both if sell them straight away.
Who wants the hassle of dealing with heavy old synths with 50 year old, unreliable electronics.
I love the DAW integration too of plugs. VSTs have really advanced in the last 20 years, really there is no reason to deal with hardware, unless you want too.
Thanks for your great and complete comment
Really cool video! On the other hand I’d have loved you to match settings between two emulations to hear color differences. Specially with reverb & reverb disengaged.
Thank you
Hi. Thanks for your video.
We have to remember the cherry audio GX80 is the mix of two cs80 and gx1. Its not just 1 instrument.
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Yes, whatch my video about GX80 here: 🎹 GX 80 Synth 🍒 Cherry Audio Real First Reaction by AGDugros @AGDugros
ua-cam.com/video/5BsieKr7v-M/v-deo.html
So, after buying three different versions of CS-80 emulation from Arturia, Memorymoon and Cherry Audio - GX-80 - I can say that the first two sound the most like a CS-80. The Arturia Vintage Collection 9 is such a treasure trove of synths, why not pick it up? Unless the offerings at Cherry Audio will fill your synthing needs handily, and it well could.
The GX-80 doesn't sound like a CS-80, but some sort of turbocharged monster synth hybrid. I have to make a quick edit here, because one thing I forgot is that a GX-1 is two CS-80s with more parameters, which means four separate synth layers available. And you can play all four layers at once with one of the GX-1s keyboards, which is a huge sound, so my apologies for saying earlier that this is some kind of turbocharged monster synth. At the original retail price of $35,000 - well over $100,000 today - yes, Yamaha made a beast of a synth which only people like Stevie Wonder, Vangelis or Keith Emerson could afford.
Another detail I forgot is that the GX-1 filters were a lighter 9db slope versus the CS-80s 12db, so they had a slightly fizzier but still nice quality to them. Two flavors to mix and match as you please for hybrid monster massiveness. What's more, Cherry Audio added a few more features to this monster, and who doesn't want more features? Like giving the Oberheim Eight Voice ADSR envelopes over the original's ADS envelopes, which are more trouble to get the decays out of them you like for a patch.
If you want a sleeper suggestion, I have one. Get the GForce Oddity 3 and use it in poly mode. You essentially have a poor man's ARP/Rhodes Chroma emulation with three oscillators - one a sub but it has a saw/square wave selection and is fully tunable. Likewise if you have Arturia's Vintage Collection, which I do, the ARP 2600 does the same thing in poly mode, and is a patchable monster to boot.
Thank you for your comment and your suggestions.
For me the ultimate test is when composing a track, bringing in a new soft synth (trial version), and finding a prefect tone within less than a minute. This automatically leads to a fantastic new musical part, and I am sold. - the same goes for efx.
Good to know because I have the Arturia version. The comments that have both were helpful thank you.
and are you buying cherry audio too?
Good job!
I read the transcript and tells me what I need to know.
Since I own the Arturia,
I believe I will just stand down on the Cherry Audio.
Very cool, sounds like the cs-80 v has more of the original yamaha filter effect while the gx-80 has a newer clearer filter quality. Nice comparison!! Good job Andrew!!
Thank you @jimlemons9231
My pleasure! Keep up the good work@! @@AGDugros
I wonder if Cherry like UAD uses physical modeling of each electronic component. This is much more accurate than say WAVES and Arturia which just model audio output responses.
Thanks for this test. It would be good to compare the Arturia CS80 with the memorymoon ME80. I feel the ME80 is more authentic than the arturia and the cherry audio.
The Me80 is very light on cpu.
Thanks very much Magnus 😁👍
I have both Arturia's CS-80 (whose sound engine that rebuilt last year, and the version 4 is clearly the best version of the Arturia synth to date). I only own the Elka-X and GX-80 by Cherry Audio, but to my mind the Cherry Audio synths both sound as if they have better analogue "feel", with richer sounds, than Arturia does, in spite of the additional features that the Arturia synth does. The GX-80 has a few hundred more presets too, if that is your thing.
Why don't more keyboards have a touch strip controller and poly aftertouch like the CS80
There are a few modern synths like that on the market
The Hydrasynth has that. It’s incredible.
@@mikemorrisonmusic Hi Mike,the Hydra Synth does seem to be the only one, it's a shame there isn't a controller with those properties.👍😁
More would, but it's expensive!
Native Instruments Komplete new Mk3-controller (The S-series) features both polyphonic aftertouch (And Midi 2.0 compatibility) AND has a touchstrip. Just like the CS80!
I own both and although Arturia did a great job the GX80 takes the sound to a whole other level. You can play Vangelis with your eyes closed and really feel the difference. Btw, I own a good number of hardware synths and the GX80 holds its own against them.
Thanks for your comment
thx for this video. Don't worry about your English. I would have also liked a more exact patch comparison for Brass for instance, not just a preset comparison that is wildly different. thx nonetheless. I don't see the point right away in getting the GX as I already have the memory moon & Arturia V80
Thank you for your comment
Great video, thanks!
When it came out the CS80 was a monster synth, but within a few short years the Sequential Prophet~5 defined what a big poly synth sound was going to be forever after. The GX80 has a decidedly bigger sound than the CS80, possibly because of the GX1 modeling done in it. And do take note that the CS80 doesn't sound like a GX1, and the GX80 is named for this hybrid build of the two synths. Playing off of what @houdinididiit stated before, the CS80 is a slightly creamier sound, the GX1 is a bigger badder sound, worthy of Keith Emerson.
So I want both, and have the wonderful Arturia Vintage Collection featuring the CS80, and it does a great job. As well as the Origin hardware synth which uses a few choice hunks of the Arturia softies like the CS80, and I spend most of my time with it making a number of vintage synthesizers. When I can tear myself away from the Origin, Arturia VC. Omnisphere and Zebra, I intend to add a few Cherry Audio pieces to my DAW, as well as a few of GForce's offerings like the Oberheim Bundle.
Thank you for your comment 🎹
Hello, thanks for the video. I hope you don’t mind if I comment on your audio levels. When you are talking it goes from very quiet to very loud. As I was listening on headphones it was a bit much for my poor ears.
think a. problem in the rendering software with audio compression. Sorry
as someone who has a real cs80, both are very good. but you miss the after touch and the keyboard that is a complete controller. also the pornamento strip needs to be touch, though with a touch screen its a little better. but for the price cherry stuff is great.
very helpful analysis. thanks
Thank you David
One of the key aspects of the cs80 is the play action from a keyboard. The response seems to be programmable on the cs80v. The other key aspect of the original was that the oscs were never in tune. The sine wave is an important element too as the volume adjustment should be subtle. This is where the old cs80v v3 got it wrong but now is corrected In the v4.
None of the real CS-80 hardware demos I found sound as flat as the Arturia - not even close. They sound just slightly phatter and a wee bit richer than the GS-80.
That is a very difficult comparison. I agree overall the GX wins, however you've also shown here how great both of these synths would sound *together*. The GX sounds deeper and richer, while the CS sounds more authentic. Together it's the best of both worlds! Even already owning VC9, I still think that adding the GX to my synth collection will be worthwhile... so thanks for pushing me in that direction :D
Thank you TJ
A think, in your test the Cherry Audio synth just sounds more like I would expect a CS80 to sound. There's more of a Vangelis vibe to it. I already own the Arturia, but I think I'll have to get the Cherry Audio as well, just to have best of both worlds. A no-brainer, for the price Cherry Audio is calling.
I find this comparison very odd and seems to attempt to make the Cherry Audio GX80 sound better. For example, you have chosen a normal Brass sound for the GX80, yet a sound called Ascendant brass for the Arturia CS80, which must be the worst Brass sound it has.
Same with the 'preset string' . If you actually use the little preset buttons then I am afraid the GX80 is really bad, whereas the CS80 sounds very good, very authentic. Same for the keys ...the CS80 has a very nice emulation of the famous CS electric piano, used so much by vangelis. feel you chose some of the CS80's worst presets when making the comparison
The GX80 isn't a bad synth and has some really nice sounds, but it isn't as good as the CS80. The CS80 sounds more 'analogue'.
Then again, it is much more expensive, so should be better.....and it is.
Completely agree with this. Also the cs80v sounds better and doesn’t need the effects that are in the gx80.
If you whatch all the video you see that I consider CS-80 an incredibile Synth (I've it). Also the GX-80 is not a Simply CS-80 emulation but is a different instrument. I've explain all in the video. Thank for your comment, I love to hear different opinions.
@@AGDugros Hi
I did listen to your whole video and understand. But never the less, your choice
Of presets chosen for the Arturia seemed to be some of its worst. As such, doesn't seem like a good comparison, and may put people off the Arturia.
Peace ✌️
I did try the Arturia CS80V demo for quite a while, with , without fx, not impressed!.
The GX-80 has much fatter sound and has a really good GX-1 emulation, i would choose the GX-80 over the Arturia CS80V any day!.
I dont need 99% perfect emulation of CS80.
Another thing is, When the Cherry Audio did released the Elka X, the Elka X, is by far best emulated Elka Synthex, a few software company did a poor emulation of a the Elka Synthex.
The only poor emulation cherry audio did, is
CA2600 (ARP 2600), which arturia does far better and allso include the most important thing , sequencer /arpeggiator.
Cherry audio did not integrate a sequencer /arpeggiator, which is a shame.
@@henrik3657 of course as you prefer. To me the GX80sl sounds like many many other soft synths. Some good sounds, not much character
The comparison you make @5:22 between the two CS strings settings is a bit pointless, they sound identical if you open up the Arturia's filter, playing one with the filter open and one with it closed is a little pointless.
These are the factotry library presets without any touch about the user. So I've no conditioned any sound, only load It (I've did in the video) only load the presets.
Which one is more CPU friendly?
With the new update I think GX 80
Run the Arturia (all the V series) at 96 kHz and you will smile ;)
how do you do this?
@@tendingtropic7778 check your audiocard if can run at 96 kHz
I still like the memorymoon ME80 more
Never heard of it im interested
yes, me too. The ME80 was modeled from my own real CS80 and I'm very satisfied.
These are synthesizers, not romplers. Doesn’t make any sense to compare sounds due to their names, imho. Why not just dial in the same string and brass sound on both? Too lazy? Then CS80 samples will outperform both, for sure! I did a review of Arturias CS80V rev4 vs. rev3. Both Arturias sound very different, too. And my CS60 sounds very different from all of these, again.
Sometimes the volume of the video was a bit to dynamic 🤪. I would had liked a comparison of one oscillator from both machines, maybe with an oscilloscope app for the visualization. But in the end ….. You made me buy the GX-80, already having the Arturia one. 👍🏽🧔🏼🙏🏽
Thank you for your comment
Oscilloscopes. That's what Starsky Carr is for!!!
you can't really compare very different patches at different loudness levels and effects.. Often louder feels better for our ears
The patches sound at the factory levels, the two instruments are at the same level in the tracks.
I ❤ them both! Great video!
I have the arturia and demoed the ca. I have to say that the ca sounds like every ca synth. They all seems have the same dna. The cs80 sounds like the memprymoog and vice versa. There is more in the optical difference than in the sound. I bet rhe using the same sound framework for all theyr synths. They all sound the same for me but the miniverse witch sounds really fat. So the arturia have much more character.
Concuerdo los cherry entre si suenan bastante similar
The CA unit sounds more processed, the Arturia sounds like if you have the unit without effects in front of you. I like the Arturia ones better becuae of this.
Thank you for share your opinion. I like to ear different points of view. 👍
this guy is fast!
You might want to re-render (with a compressor plugin?) and re-upload this video, because the volume levels of the speech are all over the place. I had the subtitles on and enjoyed it, but other people will just quit if they can't hear it properly.
In the next videos I’ll fix the problem in video rendering software. Stay tu ed👍
CS 80 sounded more vintage. Maybe it's not always good to have too much possibilites to tweak the sound, like with the GX 80 presets. Obviously you can limit yourself with the GX 80. But some of the presets sounded too modern to me.
They need to please a wide variety of users/
You should do a microphone comparison next! As you need to sort out your volume levels.
Is not a mircophone problem but in the rendering video software compression, sorry
Does either of these have mpe support and if yes is the ribbon on either assignable to cc's.
GX-80: MPE is not part of the design due to the complexity that would arise from GX-80's dual layer architecture. It does feature polyphonic aftertouch, for the controllers that do support that. If you haven't already tried the demo, check it out!
"GX-80 boasts an impressive, dual-layer voicing architecture outfitted with 16 polyphonic voices per layer. The instrument is capable of sounding two different CS-80 style sounds simultaneously, while panning each rank independently, to produce exquisitely rich stereo timbres and complex, layered sounds. For ultimate flexibility and expressive performance, GX-80 provides a split keyboard mode and a clever option to simulate polyphonic aftertouch with a monophonic aftertouch controller."
@@AGDugros Thanks Andrew.
Personally i like Cherrys version better! I have v4 and it sounds a little flat but overall they are both good.
Thank you Nathan for your comment.
I just got the GX-80 and for the money it sounds a lot better and more accurate than the Arturia.
Thank you for your comment
Nice GX80 Bass 😮
I don't agree. The cherry audio gives me much more authentic vibes from the original
It sounds right.
Although Vangelis passed away, from the sort demo presets that I heard, the GX-80 by Cherry Audio will probably resurrect Vangelis and bring him back "alive" in everyone's home or pro music production studio! The Arturia sounded "different" although the modern capabilities it has, but I think I can live without them. Although it sounded "different", someone can create "different" sounding patches... Thanks for the video! You deserve a LIKE & yes.... I subscribed too!
Thank you EL MAR!
Arturia 🎹😉
Petite suggestion amicale : tu devrais faire tes vidéos en français en laissant les sous-titres anglais, si cette option est possible.
On a trop peu de chaînes francophones, et je pense que tes vidéos y gagneraient 🙂Merci pour cette comparaison en tout cas !
Thank you but I'm italian, I speak also french but these arguments are more visibile in English due to International public. Thank you!
@@AGDugros Oh, i'm sorry... It was a silly comment then. My bad...
@@johnjohnpetterson8428 no problem! Hope you join my Channel!
Add memorymoon ME80 to the comparison please.
Sorry, Memorymoon ME80 is only for Windows, I use Mac.
I’ve got the arturia and I’ve just tried the GX 80 - to be honest I find them both a bit boring - I’d probably fly thru the presets if I’m trying to find a sound but other then that not interested in programming it. I can understand the interest in these things but far better ways to get stunning sounds these days - but saying that it’s as cheap as chips so if you not got much money then it could be worth your time 😊
I think they should have just added a couple of assignable envelopes and LFOs in the GX-80 and it would have much wider scope
Does the GX have an arpeggio function?
Yes!
the problem with the arturia, it has this panel with all the modifications and that makes it so crap
I have two restored Yamaha CS-80's. If you noodle around with any curiosity for any length of time, it will hand you presents like it's Christmas and New Year's combined. It can't help but make hits in the right hands. I purposely don't release anything because it would be unfair;-) It's about the player too. lol I wish I could help others who never get the chance to get comfortable on one. To understand the magic the original has is sublime.
Wrong comparison. Need to compare fully identical patches, but not different.
Is true if the two Synth are identical, but GX-80 and CS-80 are very different Synth. I explain in the video, whatch all the video please. Thanks
@@AGDugros That is not an excuse, moreover all GX-1 additions in GX-80 are marked in orange, so you could simply not use them and all other controls should be close to each other. Even if they are not so close, you could still try to match them - there are a lot of other comparisons of even different synths around UA-cam, where they make them sound similar. This comparison is absolutely pointless.
For my ear the Cherry Audio GX 80 exhibits a sound richer in overtones, whereas the Arturia CS 80 sounds for me more plain sinusoid. BUT i also believe that here we compare the tessitura of different song voices, or as in photography some like more brillant rich and satturated colours, others more the unsaturated palette, some prefer razor sharp outlines, whereas other prefer a softer, graduated impression; THEREFORE, not only it depends to the small channel of information we can
channel into our brains, but also the subjective impression and actual mood we are in. Lets wait, what results and emotions the artists of this planet will evoke.
YOu forgot INTEGRATION... CS80 and Arturia Keylabs go hand in hand...
No, I've told about Arturia Keyboard and templates in the first part of the video, but I don't have an Arturia keyboard so I can't judge.
Comparing the synths based on preset name seems weird to me. Brass is a very common name and so it is to be expected that they will not be the same. You need to compare the same settings, not the preset name. I have seen better videos about these synths for sure. This comparison is unfair on too many levels.
Hello David, shure is correct to compair with the same setting, but in this video I’ve made a comparison that a “normal” user can do for the first time. So is a choice that I’ve made. Thank for your comment.
@@AGDugros But this is as fair as comparing two drum sets with the preset name "Drums". Those names are just too general and therefore can not be compared.
@@davidgroeneveld1382 no Is not the same because the 2 Sounds are a specific name CS that remind to a specific Synth. A normal user that buy this Synth for the first time Shure try the presets named CS that remind to the original Synth. Obviously there are many others approach to made a video.
Sorry, but what I can tell from this video is that Arturia is a total joke. - I wouldn't use even if it were free.
I own three CS80's, a CS70M a CS60, a CS5 and an SY-2. I can tell you that neither of these computer simulations are any good...!
pics of your setup? Hard to imagine 3x Cs80 in a room
@@proxymerchant They are not all in the same room and I can't post pics here (?)... but if you look on my channel there's lots of videos with the CS's amongst them. You'll need to peruse them. :)
@@proxymerchant here's a video I made showing all three...:) ua-cam.com/video/86GDo43zjp0/v-deo.html
So that's his 15 minutes of fame over with.
Next will be his chariots of fire remix. Tuning out by 4cent and a strong smell of fried transistors.
What you doing on UA-cam , haven't you got a museum to run.
@@jaderington haha... I smell a nerve being hit... Hey, I also have 4 Minimoogs and 2 Moog Modulars... does that add a few more minutes...?
No offense man, but there is an easy way to avoid all the fill words "ah, oh, uhmm, ...". Just make a pause instead. 👍
😂in fact... welcome to my bad english is my slogan! Lol
For a synth like this really what matters is how close to the original and the Cherry Audio just doesn't sound like it. So at that point all of the creativity stuff doesn't matter because you can get other soft synths that have plenty of creative power.
its a bit hard to respect your opinion when you cannot even set your microphone up properly.
Cherry way better, Arturia is rather a rotten apple.
Cherry's strength also is programming awesome presets
Ha ha...
brokie perspective :33
This comparison is very, very bad. The Arturia sounds really good. I haven't decided which one I like better yet.
@@briefcasemanx I know, Arturia tries to be an emulation, wheras Cherry is way more, so not fair to compare them
I don't think so... looks like cherry is for the lazy/conformist... Arturia gives you a bunch of true sound exploration...
Too many ads
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The cost is low enough to own them both.