Remind myself of bunch church so called officials came our job site trying to tell us the employees by name to dismiss & hire a bunch of there church members. Within 3 hours we had Security Gate up, Armed Security Guards & they was removed off the property permanently by state & county Police. We never saw that bunch again. I was filling out my reports in office in total shock when it happened.
I agree with what you are saying to some extent, but on a larger scale, if our civil rights leaders had thought this way, we wouldn't have the few right that we have now.
Any church looking for prominent members is absolutely unbiblical and exactly the opposite of what Christ taught values. I'm shocked that parishioners would call the police to interfere in a situation like this. And I'm shocked that the police would get involved in this.
This is my personal opinion! I wouldn’t want to be a officer who arrest a Pastor from the pulpit under no circumstances; I would have waited until he’s outside. I wouldn’t want to be a member of the church who result to calling the police to remove my Pastor from the pulpit. As Christians, the teachings of the Bible is to be our guideline for how we conduct our affairs. Yes, I’m on the outside looking in and there’s things that I may not know concerning the entire situation, but I still wouldn’t call the cops to come in during the service 🤷🏽♀️
You can't stay in a church after you have been voted out, in the Baptist church the majority has the say...the policeman is doing his job, had he met with the members, this situation could have avoided...being a pastor doesn't mean, you do everything right, they are human, and it doesn't mean he can't preach anymore, they just don't want him at that church.....why would you fight to stay some where, where the majority has voted you out...he was hired and gets paid, so they can ask him to leave....
Very sad that it got to this point. Pastor, pray about it and brush the dust off your feet and move on. There is a place for you somewhere. God may be trying to push you into a better place for ministry.
What a wise and biblical counsel you gave to a pastor . Matthew 10:14 clearly said shaking dust off the feet . A pastor should carries no further responsibility for it . I witnessed many pastors wouldn’t let go of his church and ended up in court fighting. Congregation doesn’t want you , then shaking the dust off the feet and move on .
Lessons learned in kindergarten are intended to be applied in a adult brain as well. Of course this is why we invest so much in children. Help us repent in this current perversion Lord Jesus. Glorify your name Father.
Damn, having your pastor arrested for trespassing while he's giving the Sunday sermon is the ultimate F*** Y**. He should immediately leave that nasty bunch that's trying to harm him.
No they are not rotten good he may have been acting up with the ladies or preaching B's a number of things btw the way church is done is not how they the apostles did it every body with the spirit of god has something to offer as opposed to being spectators watching one man as if he could feed them let them get into the bible get what they need direct from God and share it when they get together that's why Paul said some have songs and hymns and if you read your Bible you can be far more equipped than the title of pastor it's not meant to be this way but God puts up with imperfections
Assumptions my man: God doesn't need the worlds police or legal system to perfect His church. For ur pastor to be that way also means u weren't praying for him: that church must have been spending all their time in gossips and complains; they might be the very cause of the whole issue. The Bible says "the weapons of our warfare are not natural;" so how come the church is embarking on natural weapons to solve a spiritual problem? Why didn't they pray the pastor out of the church? Did they table their report to higher authorities of the mission and the pastor refused submitting? There's a way Spiritual things are to be handled. So u are only fueling carnality by justifying the church's actions.
If the truth is preached more than likely the number will go down. It’s a narrow gate. This has nothing to do with Christ it’s Satan that wants power Resign pastor ,, let that den of snakes roll into a ball.
It is the Lord's work to grow the church, as He chooses. The Pastor's responsibility is to preach the word faithfully from Lord's day to Lord's day. The Bible says nothing about 'church growth'...
Either the pastor is not delivering the message and/or the people are just full of the devil themselves. People may times are a reflection of their leadership.
Why didnt he just see what the police had to say I wonder did the members and the pastor have a meeting and tell him they voted him out and did they have some one to replace him and why couldn't they wait till the new pastor was there this is confusing to me because two hundred members are more then some . Because not all church es have that many members I wonder if was they were really there to here the good news about Jesus are more interested in people .being there so why didn't the church invite more people to come to church leave notice on doors hand out flyer to ask the people to come to their church they never said if he was a good pastor .in spending the word of Jesus I'm not get it . I just think that it is kinda strange to just have him arrested did they warn him not to come back? and did he get a notice from the sheriff at his home telling him he couldn't go the church ?
@@sharonscott1988 Yes. That is quite a flock ours is a small church maybe a third of that one but everyone of our members are blessed to have a bold pastor that always speaks from the Bible. No matter what our pastor keeps it one hundred. Never deviating from the Word of God. And it's really up to the church members to bring in those on the street to hear the word the pastor is there to teach us the word we go out there spread the word and bring them in. Preach on pastor
I thought it was illegal for law enforcement to make an arrest of anyone during an active church service. What crime did he commit to get arrested in his pulpit? Not only was this, wicked, and evil, but it also shows a lack of respect for God and his sacred space. The members want the pastor removed because he failed to grow the church with “prominent members?” That’s not failure, but it speaks volumes about the members of that church. They don’t realize what they’ve done. They surely won’t escape the wrath of God for this.
@@KamJ2010 In some places IT IS illegal. I’ve worked in law enforcement. I know what the policies are. This pastor didn’t commit a crime by not doing what the church members wanted and for not talking to the police. In this case, tell me what warranted them to arrest him in the middle of his service? He should sue the city for this inappropriate action.
In England if someone was being chased by the police and they made their way into the church, they were safe from arrest as long as they stayed there. It was called, "Sanctuary". Shame on us 😖
That is not true! In North London there was a church that was caring for some illegal people and it was stormed by police and immigration officers. These people were deported to their home countries.
In America if a illegal alien makes it into a church there was a time they couldn’t be deported. And decades ago the Mofia wouldn’t hurt someone if the target was in a church.
@@fliarshypocritestothebones5698, I don't think they have that law anymore. Shame on anyone who fails to protect the sanctuary, especially police, our police.
There seems to be more to this story. Getting arrested while preaching. Come on. Arrest him before he gets up there or afterwards, not during a church service. A church should not be looking to add prominent members. It should be sharing the message of the cross and people will either come or they won't. This whole thing is sickening.
You're right. The church should be bringing in people that need to hear about how to get saved: the poor and the week, those who are lost and tempest tossed. Amen.
To grow the church is for it's members to accomplish, the Shephard is to equip them to "grow the church" through personal contact and speaking to those they come in contact every day.
I agree. The great commission is to go therefore and teach all nations! Members are the church. Sinners are won over by the testimony of the saints. The pastor is there to preach the word and baptize new converts. Selfish motives destroy anything.
Yes, it's not the pastor's job to fill the church. It's the pastor's job to fill the pulpit. But to all pastors, if they're not preaching the true gospel, but delivering a watered-down version, social club, motivational speaker, and feel-good only sermons to get ratings, I say they must remove themselves. Judgment begins in the pulpit!!
East St Louis is a terrible place to reside.I grew up there. Once I graduated from high school I relocated and never ever, never looked back. For what ? There's nothing I want to remember but how I survived to make it out of that shit hole.
They actually went inside the church? I have NEVER heard that before! Doesn't the law of "Sanctuary" apply in this case? He committed no crime! Unbelievable! 😮😤
@@robertlepper5460 They were not crimes... The church members wanted him to bring in more people for money and unlawfully voted him out because their church did not grow the way they wanted it to. They put all that responsibility on his little shoulders. It's not the pastor's job to bring more people into the church. God sends people to churches and church members invite people to come! It's a collective effort. Also, growing a church should never be the goal. Saving souls should always be the goal! This that they've done to him is Absolute Madness! He was not trespassing at all. He committed no crime. This is sheer stupidity and Greed.They expected him to bring in more Money 💰! I know how my people can be. Very ignorant to the law, and very petty and disorganized. "Sanctuary" I believe, began in France during the middle ages. It means that anyone is safe from the authorities and outside influences as long as they are within the walls of a church. Law, soldiers, and any kind of public enforcement could not enter into a church to collect anyone, even if they knew that person was inside. The church has always been considered as separate, especially during the times when the Catholic church ruled the world. This applies to Protestant churches as well.... That is how it has been for hundreds of years and I remember instances of that even here in the United States while I was growing up. Arrests are not made in churches because they have been considered as holy and safe for centuries. Things are changing and we are definitely entering into unprecedented times!
@@godschildyes Thursday/April/7/2022 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥 So true, things are changing they have been changing but Jesus Christ is still the same yesterday, today and forever 🙏 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
This ain’t the first time this has been done, wasn’t another pastor arrested as well. He needs to move on, no point of staying where your not wanted. Grow somewhere else
I am so thankful that my church is not like this. We have a healthy church, a wonderful pastoral team, and a wonderful congregation. When you have a healthy church, God will send the right people and it will grow. When you have internal divides, bickering and greed in the church, God will not send people there.
Wednesday/April/6/2022 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥 There isn't no perfect church. Only one who is perfect is Jesus Christ himself. When I get to heaven Jesus isn't going to ask me, what church did I go to ? Going to church is great, but going to church isn't going to make anyone a Christian. Just because a person is setting in a garage all day isn't going to make that person a car. 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥 I'm not able to get to church as I would like to, but I do have the church living inside of me, and his name is Jesus. 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥 I spend quality time with my King Jesus, I read God's word daily, I meditate on God's word, I have the word of God written on the tablet of my heart I fellowship with people outside of the (4) walls of the church building, I enjoy telling people about Jesus and I don't have to go into a building to do this. The gospel needs to be shared, and the best place to share the gospel, is going out Into the highways and byways. 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Many of the things taught in the churches are not corrected, anyway. Such as the belief that bad people go to hell when they die, which I was told was a place of fire and torment, and that all good/saved people go to heaven when they die. The Bible doesn't say those things, and when you think about it, it doesn't make sense. Also, since Jesus' sacrificial death, Christians are not required to observed the Sabbath and the hundreds of laws that were given to Moses (Mosaic Law). With the exception of the Sabbath, the New Testament has Christian Laws that mirrors those of the Ten Commandments. The Mosaic law was a covenant between God and the ancient Hebrews.
I tell you the truth, your church is CORRUPT as hell because it's your church. Is only the Church of Christ is the healthy Church. Your statement should've been, The House Of The LORD where I WORSHIP, it's NOT my church, hope you get it, a bunch of NON BIBICAL GATHERING. When you're in Christ, your WORDS matter, the focus is on Jesus, the body of Christ, our Gathering, our fellowship, the congregation am a part of, we believers, my brethren. So all of you all are SICK and needs the Great Physician, whose name is Jesus.
This is truly a sad day in America and this church and community is going to face some pretty hard times because of this. To come to a pastor while he is conducting service and then arresting him for doing his job is ridiculous to say the least. Pastor I will pray for you and pray for your church and hopefully the judge will see it through godly eyes and not worldly.. God bless you Sir and your family
Pastors unfortunately often have to deal with interferring parishoners who play politics in the church. That's why pastors and their families often move as often as military families. But what a shameful thing to call the law on him. I'm guessing he had supporters in the church and the opposition was on the Board of Deacons and called the law. Shame on the police for getting involved no matter why. The Sheriff could have refused on Constitutional grounds.
Disturbing a public worship service is a misdemeanor in most states. This poor pastor needs to run to the federal courthouse and file conspiracy and discrimination charges against the police and the judases in his congregation. A Title 42 1983 law suit might net him enough money to relocate his church to a better location where the "right kind of worshipers" would WANT to attend! Please, pastor look into the Nonregisteredbbf.
Besides, who gets to decide what kind of person is "prominent"? I'm only an unskilled laborer, working in a factory for chump-change. I suppose I'm not "prominent" enough for those snobs? "For ye see your calling, brethren, that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called" (1st Corinthians 1:26, KJV).
The moment they decide to call the police on their pastor, that clearly shows that the pastor is no longer dealing with carnal issues, MAY GOD KEEP AND PROTECT him from those astute fellows, that probably claim to be believers, but surely demonstrate otherwise with their actions.
Demonic church goer's we are too take our concerns to the Lord 🙏🙏🙏 what these people did is worldly and carnal hatred cuz they not trusting God to build his church how the hell a pastor going to bring in more folk's except by prayer and praying always for the souls lost. It was God who drew me into my first church and I got saved only God knows whom will come.
I won't ever return where I'm not welcome or wanted even if it's family have forgiven but choose to move on and live my life in peace and pray for those who hate me even though I was doing no wrong. It's okay I have peace about it. God heals if we let him .
This is just my opion so take it with a grain of salt: If a majority of your congregation voted you out, then staying will only cause division and the situation will escalate. What is this "Pastor" trying to accomplish here? Even if the congregation was not following "bylaws", it is time to move on to a better congregation. A majority of this congregation wants him to leave. I have been through this and it only leads to negative consequences. In the end, the congregation suffers and the "Pastor" suffers.
Consider this: If a disgruntled rebellious leader in the church calls a meeting of his own supporters without informing the pastor's supporters, the majority in that meeting can "vote" to remove the pastor... even without the support of the actual majority! Put it another way: Let's say the church has 500 adult members. 300 (60%) support the pastor, 100 (20%) are indifferent, and 100 (20%) oppose the pastor. The church's constitution and bylaws are there to prevent the 20% opposed to the pastor from calling a secret meeting to "vote out" the pastor in a hostile takeover of the church! We really don't know enough about this situation to judge what the pastor should or shouldn't do. But the Bible does tell us of opposition to Moses by rebel leaders. Moses stood firm, and the Lord Himself judged the rebels. Moses + the Lord = the majority! IF the Lord is telling this pastor to move on, he must move on. But IF He Is telling him to stay, he must stay... like Moses did!
Yes it's about having things done indecency and orderly. Couldn't wait for Pastor to get to highlight of his message. I'm sure it was a faithful message to someone downtrodden.
The Pastor need to leave that church, I wouldn't want to go there either if that's how the members solve such issues. Also, isn't there some law about going after people in churches, especially that it wasn't a serious crime and it was during services???
I guess the question would be what's considered a prominent member? People with money? Politicians,judges,lawyers what? I thought the pastors job was to give the word...not hustle up prominent members....good grief
“If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. Matthew 18:15
God is the one who chooses the Pastor and God is the one who says when a Pastors time is up. The members are wrong and out of order. If the Pastor does something wrong God is the one who deals with him according to the Word of God. Whoever these members are that did this, God is surely going to deal with them. Touch not my anointed and do my Prophets no harm. It's written in the Word of God. Seriously whatever happened to the Separation of the Church and the State. Why are you bringing in the law to settle disputes between the brethren. The Bible speaks against this. And since the Pandemic churches all over the world memberships have dropped dramatically. It's everywhere. Pastor and first Lady I'm praying for you. Keep your heads up. God got you. Don't be surprised if members involved in this start dropping dead. God don't play when it comes to His people.
Do you know this man? How do you know he is a man of God? How do you know he was Anointed? You my friend are mixing oranges and apples, and are being very, very misleading to others who don't know any better. I would choose my words very carefully from now on!!
This is crazy The Pastor can't do but so much Why the Pastor have to grow the church the members are suppose to help grow the church invite people to come to the church to sit under the anointing that God has ordained to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ I thought the churches growth is not as many come but when they become part of the ministry
They put all the responsibility of growing that church solely on his shoulders! So greedy! How evil of them to have him arrested, especially while he was preaching! Unbelievable!
It's also not illegal for them to arrest someone on the toilet, or in the middle of giving their infant a bath, or up on a ladder painting the house or washing windows on a multi-story building. *But it is unethical and at the very least not best practice. Sheriff should've waited til after the service.*
Imagine the people sitting in the congregation, knowing what was about to happen to this man! Don't preach where you are not wanted! What are these members doing to grow the church with "prominent" members?! They should consider themselves prominent! Not worried about saving souls and encouraging the afflicted! They need to get their priorities together!
@@terminat1 Yes, I know. But people encourage the saving or the opposite based on their actions. Some people don't realize we don't wrestle against flesh, but other powers in high places.
@@terminat1 By "encourage", I mean people can draw people near God or away from Him by their actions. If a person is not a believer or just starting out, etc., they can be turned off to Him by people. Some people don't have the mindset to just focus on Him. They are looking at the people who claim to represent Him.
Pastor, YOUR FAITH should be your most high priority 🙏❤️ GOD IS IN CHARGE, when he closes a door He will Surly OPEN another, Paritioners I’m Truly ashamed if noterity and money is your greatest thought WHAT WOULD JESUS DO GOD IS IN CHARGE 🙌🏻
I cannot believe these church goers did this!!! Sounds like these people that had this done, are not true believers!! Wanting to bring in rich parishioners is just against Jesus’s teachings!! We are supposed to NOT be respecters of men!!! Parishioners should want ANYONE to come to Christ! Shame on them!!! They’ll have to answer for this one!
He need to sue the sheriff department for:The disrespect of God, disrespect of God's house, disrespect of the sanctuary, disrespect of the pulpit, the disrespect of the clergy, disrespect of the staff, disrespect of the congregation. This has serious racial overtones. Whatever fool(s) called the sheriff, there's going to be HELL to pay. Those racist sheriffs should not have never entered the sanctuary and should have told those people to work it out civilly. These racist law enforcement are always looking for an excuse to disrespect black people. I don't blame him for continuing to speak. I hope God curse and judge those sheriff's as well as the people who called them. He should have stopped, rebuked and called down judgments from God on those sheriffs. The congregation and staff should have surrounded him and told those wicked representatives of Caesar to depart the temple. You don't let nobody come in and take your pastor away. Black people have become weak and intimidated by law enforcement. Lord help us. 🤷🏿♂️
The pastor was fired and refused to leave the church and so was trespassing. The officers asked him several times to come outside. I worship God with fellow believers, but don't go to church, since you will never find God's holy spirit there, so I'm not taking up for this church. It's just that when a person is fired, the proper thing to do is to leave. If the person disagrees with the firing, or there is some contractual obligation on the part of the church, then take the matter up with an attorney. According to the report, most of the congregation voted for him to leave, so there must be more to the story.
There is a divine cal and church governance process, often mediated outside the congregation. It is not like a regular job, and that sheriff has a terrible ego trip problem. It would have been easy to wait until the service was over to do something like that. I would be happy to speak with that sheriff face to face to let him know my views man to man.
Very very shameful members of that church. There is no holy spirit dwelling with the people who orchestrated this debacle. Sister Deborah on the _Redirecting_ Channel did a great analysis of this situation.
The members are the ones who are supposed to go out and evangelize and bring in the members The pastor's job is to study God's word and preach what Gid gives him to say
It's not the pastor's job to bring in the people it's the people in the pews to take the message out there to the streets and bring those from the streets into the pews. The fault lies on the church members. Keep preaching Pastor 🙏🏽
This has to do with church government and their by-laws, the Bible expressly condemns the taking of this matter to civil court. Matthew 18:15 and 1st. Corinthians 6;1-7. The members more than likely have every right to do this and are probably justified. Nobody likes to do this because the church needs to find a new pastor, not always easy to do, and the pastor has to find something else to do. It all depends on how the by-laws were written.
The Bible does not say anything. It is the Church who says it and they recorded it in the Scriptures. It does not refer to man made Churches but to the Church established by Christ only. This baptist Church was established by a civil group of people in a civil society and so they can resort to civil courts. Christ's Church was established by Christ the Great High Priest and King and it was started with 12 Bishops (priests and elders) who were commissioned by Christ the Great High Priest to carry on His mission John 20:21. The teachings and traditions of which they were told to keep too, 2 Thessalonians 2: 15 and instructed to safeguard and protect. 1 Tim. 6:20 - 2 Tim 1:12-14. Rev.2:25 and Rev 3:11 - which was God's revelation of Himself in Jesus Christ, and it is this that must be safely guarded and the Church has a duty not to alter it, add to it or take away from it but to safeguard it as a faithful servant, in Christ. We were forewarned of men like this in Matthew 7:15
The Bible does not say anything. It is the Church who says it and they recorded it in the Scriptures. It does not refer to man made Churches but to the Church established by Christ only. This baptist Church was established by a civil group of people in a civil society and so they can resort to civil courts. Christ's Church was established by Christ the Great High Priest and King and it was started with 12 Bishops (priests and elders) who were commissioned by Christ the Great High Priest to carry on His mission John 20:21. The teachings and traditions of which they were told to keep too, 2 Thessalonians 2: 15 and instructed to safeguard and protect. 1 Tim. 6:20 - 2 Tim 1:12-14. Rev.2:25 and Rev 3:11 - which was God's revelation of Himself in Jesus Christ, and it is this that must be safely guarded and the Church has a duty not to alter it, add to it or take away from it but to safeguard it as a faithful servant, in Christ. We were forewarned of men like this in Matthew 7:15
I pray for this man of God who has wicked members in his congregation. There was no need for this embarrassment, they shall reap what they have sowed. Vengeance is the Lord’s & he will repay.
Thank you so much for your prayer! You took the words right out of my mouth! The Lord is not slack! He will righteously avenge this situation. Lord, please comfort and bless this pastor and his family. In Jesus name, Amen.
People are going to Hell in a hand basket! Your personal Spiritual Growth is your Responsibility, Also! Do you fast and Pray on a daily basis? The Pastor is supposed to watch over your Soul, but being on Milk is your Responsibility to get too The Meat of The Word. They didn't have too do that and I don't think it's Trespassing if he has been a Member for Many Years. He should Not have been Arrested! There is Church Protocol and Ethics. The Police should have told them too work it out themselves.
Caroline where in the word of God is it TAUGHT that One joins the church / body of Christ we read about in the scriptures after OBEYING THE ONE FAITH/Doctrine/teaching/Gospel of Christ? (Ephesians 4:5B) The preacher teaches the doctrine of Christ 1Timothy 4:16,1Timothy 4:6,13,2 Timothy 2:2,15,2 Timothy 4:2, TITUS 2:1.The PREACHER IS TO STUDY THE SCRIPTURES AND INFORM OTHERS THRU PREACHING AND TEACHING.THE PREACHER HAS NO AUTHORITY FROM CHRIST TO OVERSEE THE CONGREGATION OR SERVE TABLES.THE ( PASTOR) SO CALLED BY MANY....IS NOT BIBLICAL.THE PREACHER AND OR EVANGELIST DUTY IS TO PROCLAIM THE LAWS OF GOD NOT ENFORCE THEM.THE PREACHER IS ALWAYS TO BE READY TO (DEFEND) THE ONE GOSPEL/FAITH/DOCTRINE /TEACHING EPHESIANS 4:5B, AND CONTEND FOR THE ONE FAITH JUDE 3.
A fashion show in years past. We got a few a their former members after their last split. I guess they leave in clusters. No scandals in our church; it's quite sad to see turmoil going on when the world is watching.
@@ronnieneville5914 The problems in this particular church are not normal and need to be addressed as such! It was WRONG for that congregation to do that to their pastor! They put all of the responsibility of growing that church solely on his shoulders, when it's God who sends people. To bring worldly law enforcement into a church, especially while the pastor is delivering a message is unthinkably despicable and evil! What runs this church is sheer GREED and it needs to be pointed out! This is the sort of thing God HATES!
These incorrigible people don't realize the role of the church in society. Their policing would be unattainable without the hand of God through the church. Respect the preacher and the church period.
Dear pastor, if you're a disciple of Jesus, follow HIS exampe: when they order you out of your leadership position, leave and offer that they keep your salary for the week as well.
Messy.... this is why people don't respect the church. And that women up video taping. Was she a part of that messiness. A shame!!!! This makes you sad... He didn't grow the church... thats their job. It's his job to lead and keep them. If no one is following them to church, you see why RIGHT HERE....
Not sure of what is going on in this congregation and why members wanted "prominent " people in their church, didn't James ch.2 say not to have favor of one important person over a person of lesser status/ poor, "do not say to the poor stand there or sit under my footstool" ? THE answer will be found in the By-laws of that church or denomination to which is subjected, in many churches the Elders or Deacons only vote to remove a pastor others may be influenced by organisational decisions. I would hope this church will collectively pray over this riff, prayer changes men and women when they enter in with a spirit of allowing God to do his will in the heart(s) of his people.
Pastor the Lord has something bigger an better for you. I believe God doesn't close one door without opening another. The one's who had you arrested that's between them and the Lord. They will stand before the Lord one day for their actions. We all will.
If all that's on those church members mind is prominent members they definitely don't have the right things on their mind. I will be praying for them for sure.
What the members voted him out because he failed the to grow the church and bring in prominent members...? This is about money...? This is not about the gospel...,
Bitten Shepherd, This pain is so other. It is sharp, deep, and beyond tender aggravation. It feels so infectious with its strands of betrayal, accusation, and deceit. It is so violent it attempts to steal you from your assignment. The hours you have counseled, encouraged, fought off wolves, sheared, oiled, picked out briars and thorns, left the 99, and removed painful foreign objects from hooves seem so far at the anguish of the bite. But ohhhhhh the healing salve The Good Shepherd has for you! Just like the prescribed oil only to be used in the temple, I believe there is a special blend of balm reserved only for this type of wound! And unlike a skimpy pea-sized application of ointment in the natural, Abba Himself reaches down deep into the golden reservoir and lifts up a heaping handful just for you! He places this balm into the bite and it heals and soothes every sting, every burn, every hurt. It reaches every crevice, even the unseen spaces. Won’t you rest in this soothing? Yes, sheep bite. Yes, it hurts! Yes, He heals you, even now! Yes, you will tend, care for, and Shepherd another again! Your love and care for the flock is sure! ❤️🐑❤️
Why the "HELL" (pardon my expression) does this have to be done Publicly...In front of his Parish? Why not in "private?" I realize that this was attempted, but was it a "reasonable" attempt by the Police, is my question.
Where in the Bible does it say that pastors are voted in. Our churches have become a business and have taken matters into their own hands, instead of going to the Lord. I feel bad for the pastor. There is no reason to do this. The Lord will take care of this situation. Pray for those who did this!
Pastor I pray God will intervene quickly. The members are still on milk. Don't be discourage. If that is where God has placed you then shall it be. The people will all answer to God. It's the member place to bring in members. A church divided will not stand. Let God lead you and be in çontrol. Keep your head up high Amen and Amen.
" They had the nerve to say bring in " prominent members"; I guarantee you; the leaders of the ridiculous abomination; "call themselves prominant"; and. their actions do not represent someone SAVED-- doing these things they are doing"!! God calls Pastors to lead the flock-- disciples get disciples. If the preaching; teaching & reaching ( Evangelism); is being done. They must Wait on the fruit of their labor. Not oust the Pastor"!! ALL WRONG"!!!AMEN
In Love.Well.....If the congregation doesn't want you there, there's other churches. Also, if GOD has genuinely called you to preaching and sharing to the Holy Scriptures, HE will most definitely, open a door for your ministry to continue, no matter if you, are called to start from just 2 members. Remember, most Baptist, AME and other types of denominations can vote leadership (including pastors) in and/or out of a church. Nowadays, most people, who "attend" churches, don't want to hear to truth, it's full of competition, jealousy and cliques. GOD is absolutely, standing outside of these congregations and flesh reigns supreme. They want to live like GOD closes his eyes and ears to sin. GOD forbid! We cannot condone alternative lifestyles, leading and teaching our children, adults, teens, young adults and grandchildren. We cannot allow these and whoremongers over the choirs and music ministries. There's a huge difference between Ministry and entertainment. Lots of people are confused in this area. It's better to have no musicians and sing to the glory of GOD that be friends with perversions of the world. GOD will reject that praise. People know the Bible, I am not throwing scriptures at you. Read GOD's Holy Word for yourself. It's Holiness or Hell. Righteousness or unrighteousness. The Holy Bible lets us know to stand for what is right. Love Holiness. Only the devil and his demons and his followers create factions, fractions and division. They hate giving glory, honor and praise to GOD. The GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The ungodly want to be a celebrity, self-gratification, recognition, to be worshipped and praised. The Bible says, "If I be lifted up, I will draw all men unto me." That's Jesus talking. So, if this is done, don't worry, who likes it or not. Old school preaching is what delivered and saved and encouraged us to keep up the good fight of faith. Not sing and entertain you happy, spiritual weaklings cannot face the challenges in life. It takes dedication to GOD, church attendance, Sunday School, Bible Studies, fasting, prayer meeting, reading your Bible praying at home. We MUST, not forget, the reason for a church is delivering the message of salvation, offering a new way of life, souls being saved, captives of sin/demons/bad habits/addictions set free and how to love GOD and walk in a new life. This should be taught in patience in love. Encouraging one another it's a major and very important and exciting thing, not meddling and gossipping. Everyone has to start somewhere. We weren't "born already saved"! Also, be taught the truth. Too many false doctrines, denying "Hell" and once saved, always saved. If both were true, that's calling GOD a liar. Paul's preaching was mainly to churches who had wavered and had backslidden tendencies. So, if once saved always saved, there would haven't been any need for these church congregations to be ministered to and encouraged to turn away from the wrong direction and get back on track. Follow the path to righteousness. Also, the book of Revelation lets us know, a person's name can be removed from the Book of Life. Have we actually fallen in love, with the word of GOD? First and foremost, do we really love GOD or just want what he does for us and gives us and that's it? People love and respect pets, cars and jobs more than they do GOD Almighty. Yahweh, Jehovah. There are many names for the true and living GOD. Listed in the pages of the Holy Bible. Be very, very careful with these newer Bibles, they soften sin, change meaning and have removed lots of things over the last 45 years. It's time for "All of us", whom claim we are Born Again, Christian believers, repent and get our hearts, minds, souls and lives sold out to Jesus! Our lives, words, actions and motives should be pure and Holy. Occupy till I come. HARVEST TIME, REVIVAL TIME is NOW! Praying for you Pastor! Praying for that congregation, too! Praying for Pastors, missions and congregations worldwide. 😣💔🤢🤮😭🛐🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽📖📖📖📖📖⛪⛪⛪⛪🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐💒💒💒💒🙏🏽🙏🏽
Oh yeah... Imagine how crooked the politics is in that town...."let's go down there and pick him up while he's preaching that way we'll know where he is"..."but that would be wrong sir!"..."says who?"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤬
It is for a pastor to preach, and it is for the Christians in his flock to advance that word into the populations outside the church. "Go among the many and spread the good news".
If you think about it, God works in many ways, maybe he sent those deputies to get him off his pulpit. Then again, we cannot know for sure the reasons God does things, but he does them for a reason.
THIS WAS NOT GOD...THIS WAS PEOPLE. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO COULD BE BRINGING PEOPLE IN EACH WEEK BUT DONT AND THEY ARE THE ONES WHO CALLED THE COPS, NOT GOD. NONE OF THIS IS GODLY.
The same thing happened at my church which is why I do not attend there anymore my people we do some of the dumbest things in church and call ourselves children of God we need to quit behaving this way God is not pleased with your ignorance there's Bi-Laws you must follow when asking a preacher to leave the pulpit you cannot just terminate him under contract the word being contracts
First of you never take church matters before the court 1 Corinthians 6:2 states that the Saints would judge the world, then secondly how many of the 200 members invited someone to church maybe if they had invited someone to church it would have grown.
If that church is run by the community , the arrest is justified with their vote. It's not a private or self owned church. It's also unbiblical to get the authorities settle the dispute. If the authorities are involved why IRS is exempted?
I am an agnostic, yet even I can see the wrong with what the cops did! Would I ever go into a church and start disrespectfully and loudly complaining (like a vegetarian and/or a transgender type of personality) under my own opinion(s)? Straight up.... no! I am about respect for my fellow man/woman! You....do you! Police could have respectfully waited for the service to end! And how on this global earth did the police ever get so much power that they could arrest a preacher, and did so solely based on the congregation using the police because the pastor could not up the numbers/monies! Wake up everyone! Christians are woke to the fact that their god is not only found in a church, and nor are Christians bound by any godly rule that they must attend a physical church, with the threat and intimidations by Baptist preachers (based on personal dealings as a kid), that it is a sin! Nowadays? There are many non church attending Christians who know, and have the awareness, as their bible teaches, that their god is everywhere! Any true Christian who is firm on their own opinion and has god in their heart, and run a Christian style house hold? That. Is. Their. Church! Period!
It's not just the pastor's responsibility to grow the church. He supposed to preach the word the word is supposed to grow the church... Along with other members
"He failed to grow the church and bring in PROMINENT members."
There it is... It's about the money. -__-
Unfortunately it is the way Churches are run, like businesses… God is not happy
It is always about money. Everything in Rome/EGYPT is about money religion too. That's how false prophecy works.
That part.
Remind myself of bunch church so called officials came our job site trying to tell us the employees by name to dismiss & hire a bunch of there church members. Within 3 hours we had Security Gate up, Armed Security Guards & they was removed off the property permanently by state & county Police. We never saw that bunch again. I was filling out my reports in office in total shock when it happened.
Exactly! They have no shame! To have a pastor arrested in church while preaching! Oh the GREED! Wow!
I refuse to be anywhere where I’m not wanted, respected, or loved. The Pastor should shake the dust off his feet & keep it pushin. Matthew 10:14
@Pastor Craig me too!
r,these folk don't have clear understanding of the word
Exactly! That’s the word.
I agree with what you are saying to some extent, but on a larger scale, if our civil rights leaders had thought this way, we wouldn't have the few right that we have now.
Amen!
This is the craziest story I have ever heard! The Pastor needs to find a new church.
In jail
John, yes because he has probably robbed this one dry!
@@thomastolbert6184 and you know this how....?
@@thomastolbert6184 YOU ARE TWISTED AND PATHETIC
@@bluelava4282 MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE IN JAIL
Growing the church and bringing in prominents members? What?!! That is not a church but a club. Disgusting.
I agree. Next they will want a VIP section with bottle service.
Masonry has infiltrated many churches. They need “prominent” or powerful members
@@tiredoftheworld4834 1000%% right ✅
The truth is the 'prominent members' are attending Dave and Joyce Meyer's country club...er I mean church down I-55 in Fenton.
Exactly a gang actually
"Prominent"??? Sounds like they were looking for people with money...just sad.
Any church looking for prominent members is absolutely unbiblical and exactly the opposite of what Christ taught values. I'm shocked that parishioners would call the police to interfere in a situation like this. And I'm shocked that the police would get involved in this.
Ghetto church
This is my personal opinion! I wouldn’t want to be a officer who arrest a Pastor from the pulpit under no circumstances; I would have waited until he’s outside. I wouldn’t want to be a member of the church who result to calling the police to remove my Pastor from the pulpit. As Christians, the teachings of the Bible is to be our guideline for how we conduct our affairs. Yes, I’m on the outside looking in and there’s things that I may not know concerning the entire situation, but I still wouldn’t call the cops to come in during the service 🤷🏽♀️
Great commentary my friend.
Agreed
You can't stay in a church after you have been voted out, in the Baptist church the majority has the say...the policeman is doing his job, had he met with the members, this situation could have avoided...being a pastor doesn't mean, you do everything right, they are human, and it doesn't mean he can't preach anymore, they just don't want him at that church.....why would you fight to stay some where, where the majority has voted you out...he was hired and gets paid, so they can ask him to leave....
YOU SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUIT!! All in ERR
an intimidation tactic(message to “Blacks” that your not immune to our authority even when you worship your “God”). Was a bully move.
Very sad that it got to this point. Pastor, pray about it and brush the dust off your feet and move on. There is a place for you somewhere. God may be trying to push you into a better place for ministry.
Amén!
What a wise and biblical counsel you gave to a pastor . Matthew 10:14 clearly said shaking dust off the feet . A pastor should carries no further responsibility for it .
I witnessed many pastors wouldn’t let go of his church and ended up in court fighting. Congregation doesn’t want you , then shaking the dust off the feet and move on .
Pray 🙏 about it🤣🤣🤣🤣if that ish worked he wouldn't be in this predicament.
Amen
Exactly
Shame on them the whole church it's pathetic
ALL churches are pathetic. Why can't the human race grow up and realize religion is a farce?
You ain't lying!!! It's really unbelievable!!! I don't know the circumstances, but this is really sad!!!
Exactly they need to be in their PRAYER CLOSETS THE PASTOR its up to the lord to grow the church. They need take care of pastor. Repent people
Lessons learned in kindergarten are intended to be applied in a adult brain as well. Of course this is why we invest so much in children. Help us repent in this current perversion Lord Jesus. Glorify your name Father.
Why couldn't the police wait until after? No one's life was at stake?
Damn, having your pastor arrested for trespassing while he's giving the Sunday sermon is the ultimate F*** Y**. He should immediately leave that nasty bunch that's trying to harm him.
I agree
No they are not rotten good he may have been acting up with the ladies or preaching B's a number of things btw the way church is done is not how they the apostles did it every body with the spirit of god has something to offer as opposed to being spectators watching one man as if he could feed them let them get into the bible get what they need direct from God and share it when they get together that's why Paul said some have songs and hymns and if you read your Bible you can be far more equipped than the title of pastor it's not meant to be this way but God puts up with imperfections
He should find a line of work that aligns with reality instead of continuing to foster institutional gaslighting.
Assumptions my man: God doesn't need the worlds police or legal system to perfect His church. For ur pastor to be that way also means u weren't praying for him: that church must have been spending all their time in gossips and complains; they might be the very cause of the whole issue. The Bible says "the weapons of our warfare are not natural;" so how come the church is embarking on natural weapons to solve a spiritual problem? Why didn't they pray the pastor out of the church? Did they table their report to higher authorities of the mission and the pastor refused submitting? There's a way Spiritual things are to be handled. So u are only fueling carnality by justifying the church's actions.
This is why a church service must be held in a HOUSE.
It’s not the Pastor’s full or total responsibility to grow the Church, the Parishioners has a big part to play in the growth of the Church.
If the truth is preached more than likely the number will go down. It’s a narrow gate. This has nothing to do with Christ it’s Satan that wants power Resign pastor ,, let that den of snakes roll into a ball.
@NO FOOLISHNESS Amen amen amen. Wealth and power is what they seek. Not the light.
For real are they not disciples required to disciple the lost
It is the Lord's work to grow the church, as He chooses. The Pastor's responsibility is to preach the word faithfully from Lord's day to Lord's day. The Bible says nothing about 'church growth'...
Agreed. We all have a duty to reach others for Jesus. A Pastor's job is to lead and train, not do all the work for you.
Impossible to grow a church with members who would do such a horrible thing to a pastor.
Either the pastor is not delivering the message and/or the people are just full of the devil themselves. People may times are a reflection of their leadership.
Why didnt he just see what the police had to say I wonder did the members and the pastor have a meeting and tell him they voted him out and did they have some one to replace him and why couldn't they wait till the new pastor was there this is confusing to me because two hundred members are more then some . Because not all church es have that many members I wonder if was they were really there to here the good news about Jesus are more interested in people .being there so why didn't the church invite more people to come to church leave notice on doors hand out flyer to ask the people to come to their church they never said if he was a good pastor .in spending the word of Jesus I'm not get it . I just think that it is kinda strange to just have him arrested did they warn him not to come back? and did he get a notice from the sheriff at his home telling him he couldn't go the church ?
Only in east saint louis illinois
@@sharonscott1988 Yes. That is quite a flock ours is a small church maybe a third of that one but everyone of our members are blessed to have a bold pastor that always speaks from the Bible. No matter what our pastor keeps it one hundred. Never deviating from the Word of God. And it's really up to the church members to bring in those on the street to hear the word the pastor is there to teach us the word we go out there spread the word and bring them in. Preach on pastor
Looks like they’re full of the devil just recording it all. Shame on them
I thought it was illegal for law enforcement to make an arrest of anyone during an active church service. What crime did he commit to get arrested in his pulpit? Not only was this, wicked, and evil, but it also shows a lack of respect for God and his sacred space.
The members want the pastor removed because he failed to grow the church with “prominent members?” That’s not failure, but it speaks volumes about the members of that church. They don’t realize what they’ve done. They surely won’t escape the wrath of God for this.
It's not illegal.
@@KamJ2010
In some places IT IS illegal. I’ve worked in law enforcement. I know what the policies are. This pastor didn’t commit a crime by not doing what the church members wanted and for not talking to the police.
In this case, tell me what warranted them to arrest him in the middle of his service? He should sue the city for this inappropriate action.
What color are you keep believing the hype see where it get you
So sad...to the pastor..to be done this why..
@Pastor Craig Unethical? Says who? Oh please don't bring sky daddy into this. That cult bs just needs to die.
"He failed to grow the church" so the members cannot go out and evangelize and pray for increase.
They wanted money growth
Good point
In England if someone was being chased by the police and they made their way into the church, they were safe from arrest as long as they stayed there. It was called, "Sanctuary".
Shame on us 😖
That is not true! In North London there was a church that was caring for some illegal people and it was stormed by police and immigration officers. These people were deported to their home countries.
In America if a illegal alien makes it into a church there was a time they couldn’t be deported. And decades ago the Mofia wouldn’t hurt someone if the target was in a church.
About england/police/church you talk about the past or the present?
And "Shame on us" mean "shame on us Americans"?
@@fliarshypocritestothebones5698, I don't think they have that law anymore. Shame on anyone who fails to protect the sanctuary, especially police, our police.
agreed.
DURING the sermon? Law enforcement should have waited until after (IF they had to do this) the service in PRIVATE! This is an outrage!
Biden didn't do that to Trump and he was very wrong after he lost .
Pastor refused to come out and let them do privately
He wanted a show.
@@SS11660 My point was this could have waited until after the service, it wasn't like he was going to leave the country and hide.
I agree with you should have done it after church Service
Right!!!
He didn’t tickle their ears like they wanted. Stand firm in the Faith. God Bless all 🙏❤️
There seems to be more to this story. Getting arrested while preaching. Come on. Arrest him before he gets up there or afterwards, not during a church service.
A church should not be looking to add prominent members. It should be sharing the message of the cross and people will either come or they won't.
This whole thing is sickening.
You're right. The church should be bringing in people that need to hear about how to get saved: the poor and the week, those who are lost and tempest tossed. Amen.
So it may seem, but the arrest was made and the news report interview hit the air. Hopefully it works out amicably for everyone.
@@patriciamariemitchel Amen, Patricia!
It sounds like they voted to fire him and he wouldn’t go.
To grow the church is for it's members to accomplish, the Shephard is to equip them to "grow the church" through personal contact and speaking to those they come in contact every day.
I agree. The great commission is to go therefore and teach all nations! Members are the church. Sinners are won over by the testimony of the saints. The pastor is there to preach the word and baptize new converts. Selfish motives destroy anything.
Yes, it's not the pastor's job to fill the church. It's the pastor's job to fill the pulpit. But to all pastors, if they're not preaching the true gospel, but delivering a watered-down version, social club, motivational speaker, and feel-good only sermons to get ratings, I say they must remove themselves. Judgment begins in the pulpit!!
during covid restictions lol dont forget !!!!!
So true!
Exactly!!
Trying to grow a church in East St. Louis can not be easy.
Especially during the Plan-Demic . . . which actually was one of the main reasons FOR the Plan-Demic !
@@terryrussel3369 Exactly!
@@pep590 I Wonder. Was this church one of the accursed 501c3's ???
@@terryrussel3369 Yes, you are right: the pLan-demic or perhaps the [master 2020] Demonic pLan.
East St Louis is a terrible place to reside.I grew up there. Once I graduated from high school I relocated and never ever, never looked back. For what ? There's nothing I want to remember but how I survived to make it out of
that shit hole.
They actually went inside the church? I have NEVER heard that before! Doesn't the law of "Sanctuary" apply in this case? He committed no crime! Unbelievable! 😮😤
He was to be charged with 2 crimes according to the video. I don't live in America so not clear what the law of 'sanctuary' is Are you?
@@robertlepper5460 They were not crimes... The church members wanted him to bring in more people for money and unlawfully voted him out because their church did not grow the way they wanted it to. They put all that responsibility on his little shoulders. It's not the pastor's job to bring more people into the church. God sends people to churches and church members invite people to come! It's a collective effort. Also, growing a church should never be the goal. Saving souls should always be the goal! This that they've done to him is Absolute Madness! He was not trespassing at all. He committed no crime. This is sheer stupidity and Greed.They expected him to bring in more Money 💰!
I know how my people can be. Very ignorant to the law, and very petty and disorganized.
"Sanctuary" I believe, began in France during the middle ages. It means that anyone is safe from the authorities and outside influences as long as they are within the walls of a church. Law, soldiers, and any kind of public enforcement could not enter into a church to collect anyone, even if they knew that person was inside. The church has always been considered as separate, especially during the times when the Catholic church ruled the world. This applies to Protestant churches as well.... That is how it has been for hundreds of years and I remember instances of that even here in the United States while I was growing up. Arrests are not made in churches because they have been considered as holy and safe for centuries. Things are changing and we are definitely entering into unprecedented times!
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So true, things are changing they have been changing but Jesus Christ is still the same yesterday, today and forever 🙏
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@@vanessamillican8447 Amen to that! Thank you for speaking the truth! Jesus never changes! Thank you Lord Jesus!
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This ain’t the first time this has been done, wasn’t another pastor arrested as well. He needs to move on, no point of staying where your not wanted. Grow somewhere else
It's a shame this happen but leave the church if your not wanted!!
I am so thankful that my church is not like this. We have a healthy church, a wonderful pastoral team, and a wonderful congregation.
When you have a healthy church, God will send the right people and it will grow. When you have internal divides, bickering and greed in the church, God will not send people there.
Pray for your church the evil one is listening
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There isn't no perfect church. Only one who is perfect is Jesus Christ himself. When I get to heaven Jesus isn't going to ask me, what church did I go to ? Going to church is great, but going to church isn't going to make anyone a Christian. Just because a person is setting in a garage all day isn't going to make that person a car.
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I spend quality time with my King Jesus, I read God's word daily, I meditate on God's word, I have the word of God written on the tablet of my heart I fellowship with people outside of the (4) walls of the church building, I enjoy telling people about Jesus and I don't have to go into a building to do this. The gospel needs to be shared, and the best place to share the gospel, is going out Into the highways and byways.
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Amen
Many of the things taught in the churches are not corrected, anyway.
Such as the belief that bad people go to hell when they die, which I was told was a place of fire and torment, and that all good/saved people go to heaven when they die. The Bible doesn't say those things, and when you think about it, it doesn't make sense.
Also, since Jesus' sacrificial death, Christians are not required to observed the Sabbath and the hundreds of laws that were given to Moses (Mosaic Law).
With the exception of the Sabbath, the New Testament has Christian Laws that mirrors those of the Ten Commandments. The Mosaic law was a covenant between God and the ancient Hebrews.
I tell you the truth, your church is CORRUPT as hell because it's your church.
Is only the Church of Christ is the healthy Church. Your statement should've been, The House Of The LORD where I WORSHIP, it's NOT my church, hope you get it, a bunch of NON BIBICAL GATHERING.
When you're in Christ, your WORDS matter, the focus is on Jesus, the body of Christ, our Gathering, our fellowship, the congregation am a part of, we believers, my brethren.
So all of you all are SICK and needs the Great Physician, whose name is Jesus.
This is truly a sad day in America and this church and community is going to face some pretty hard times because of this. To come to a pastor while he is conducting service and then arresting him for doing his job is ridiculous to say the least.
Pastor
I will pray for you and pray for your church and hopefully the judge will see it through godly eyes and not worldly..
God bless you Sir and your family
"arresting him for doing his job"
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@@fliarshypocritestothebones5698 lol exactly what i was noting. ... and more.
@@kareno8634 Well I'm a big fan of the doors & sabbath, and snowblind in the one I probably listened the most from sabbath ^^, great playlist!
Praying for you. May God hold you in His loving arms.
The members wanted him gone because he failed to bring in “prominent” members. That joke of a “church” is an assembly of mockers.
Pastors unfortunately often have to deal with interferring parishoners who play politics in the church. That's why pastors and their families often move as often as military families. But what a shameful thing to call the law on him. I'm guessing he had supporters in the church and the opposition was on the Board of Deacons and called the law. Shame on the police for getting involved no matter why. The Sheriff could have refused on Constitutional grounds.
Ah, because it is never the pastors who "play politics?"
We're truly living in the last and Evil days! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
While I agree wholly with your statement, what took place here has nothing to do with it, at all.
Yes we sure are which is true and for a known fact beyond a reasonable doubt 🙏
That is horrible. Praying for those church members, who did that to the pastor.
Disturbing a public worship service is a misdemeanor in most states. This poor pastor needs to run to the federal courthouse and file conspiracy and discrimination charges against the police and the judases in his congregation. A Title 42 1983 law suit might net him enough money to relocate his church to a better location where the "right kind of worshipers" would WANT to attend! Please, pastor look into the Nonregisteredbbf.
I get you, but its actually only if someone yells "Fire" or something like that. "Dont yell Fire in a Movie theatre (etc..)"...this is a Misdemeanor.
Unbelievable! It’s the members of the church that are supposed to grow the church. Do the work of an evangelist.
Besides, who gets to decide what kind of person is "prominent"? I'm only an unskilled laborer, working in a factory for chump-change. I suppose I'm not "prominent" enough for those snobs? "For ye see your calling, brethren, that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called" (1st Corinthians 1:26, KJV).
Exactly
they really wanted to embarass him if they did so during his sermon
If they asked him to come outside and he refused then he only gets one time to say F you to the cops.
@@josephhodges9819 Guess that trespassing didnt work since there doing interviews in that very same church.
I know! That's definitely a tactic that my people tend to use. "Embarrassment"! No matter the setting in which it is inflicted...
So wicked!
The moment they decide to call the police on their pastor, that clearly shows that the pastor is no longer dealing with carnal issues, MAY GOD KEEP AND PROTECT him from those astute fellows, that probably claim to be believers, but surely demonstrate otherwise with their actions.
Demonic church goer's we are too take our concerns to the Lord 🙏🙏🙏 what these people did is worldly and carnal hatred cuz they not trusting God to build his church how the hell a pastor going to bring in more folk's except by prayer and praying always for the souls lost. It was God who drew me into my first church and I got saved only God knows whom will come.
I won't ever return where I'm not welcome or wanted even if it's family have forgiven but choose to move on and live my life in peace and pray for those who hate me even though I was doing no wrong. It's okay I have peace about it. God heals if we let him .
I know how people seem so holy but hate others. They cannot see the Forrest for the trees. But all will be taken of in the future.
This is just my opion so take it with a grain of salt: If a majority of your congregation voted you out, then staying will only cause division and the situation will escalate. What is this "Pastor" trying to accomplish here? Even if the congregation was not following "bylaws", it is time to move on to a better congregation. A majority of this congregation wants him to leave. I have been through this and it only leads to negative consequences. In the end, the congregation suffers and the "Pastor" suffers.
Consider this: If a disgruntled rebellious leader in the church calls a meeting of his own supporters without informing the pastor's supporters, the majority in that meeting can "vote" to remove the pastor... even without the support of the actual majority!
Put it another way:
Let's say the church has 500 adult members. 300 (60%) support the pastor, 100 (20%) are indifferent, and 100 (20%) oppose the pastor. The church's constitution and bylaws are there to prevent the 20% opposed to the pastor from calling a secret meeting to "vote out" the pastor in a hostile takeover of the church!
We really don't know enough about this situation to judge what the pastor should or shouldn't do. But the Bible does tell us of opposition to Moses by rebel leaders. Moses stood firm, and the Lord Himself judged the rebels. Moses + the Lord = the majority!
IF the Lord is telling this pastor to move on, he must move on. But IF He Is telling him to stay, he must stay... like Moses did!
Absolutely Correct!!!
Yes it's about having things done indecency and orderly. Couldn't wait for Pastor to get to highlight of his message. I'm sure it was a faithful message to someone downtrodden.
Shame on them!
YEAH, THEY ARE LAZY AND WILL NOT BRING ANYONE IN AND WANT THE PASTOR TO DO ALL THE WORK WHILE THEY SIT SAVED AND LAZY.
Wow !! That's some lowdown mess from that congratulation . Some of the biggest judices are right there in the church. Wolves amongst sheep. Very sad.
"from that congratulation". What in the world???
Everything going to be fine Amene. Where there is Darkness Let their be Light! In the name of Jesus Amene!
The Pastor need to leave that church, I wouldn't want to go there either if that's how the members solve such issues. Also, isn't there some law about going after people in churches, especially that it wasn't a serious crime and it was during services???
I guess the question would be what's considered a prominent member? People with money? Politicians,judges,lawyers what? I thought the pastors job was to give the word...not hustle up prominent members....good grief
Exactly
“If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over.
Matthew 18:15
God is the one who chooses the Pastor and God is the one who says when a Pastors time is up. The members are wrong and out of order. If the Pastor does something wrong God is the one who deals with him according to the Word of God. Whoever these members are that did this, God is surely going to deal with them. Touch not my anointed and do my Prophets no harm. It's written in the Word of God. Seriously whatever happened to the Separation of the Church and the State. Why are you bringing in the law to settle disputes between the brethren. The Bible speaks against this. And since the Pandemic churches all over the world memberships have dropped dramatically. It's everywhere. Pastor and first Lady I'm praying for you. Keep your heads up. God got you. Don't be surprised if members involved in this start dropping dead. God don't play when it comes to His people.
What if God used the members to remove that pastor?
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@@adrftgvvbh he was stealing
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Do you know this man? How do you know he is a man of God? How do you know he was Anointed? You my friend are mixing oranges and apples, and are being very, very misleading to others who don't know any better. I would choose my words very carefully from now on!!
Surely his sermon wasn’t so bad that the congregation felt the need to call 911. ☎️☎️☎️
This is crazy The Pastor can't do but so much Why the Pastor have to grow the church the members are suppose to help grow the church invite people to come to the church to sit under the anointing that God has ordained to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ I thought the churches growth is not as many come but when they become part of the ministry
They put all the responsibility of growing that church solely on his shoulders! So greedy! How evil of them to have him arrested, especially while he was preaching! Unbelievable!
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Amen !!
Those officials should've stayed to listen to the preaching.
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It's also not illegal for them to arrest someone on the toilet, or in the middle of giving their infant a bath, or up on a ladder painting the house or washing windows on a multi-story building. *But it is unethical and at the very least not best practice. Sheriff should've waited til after the service.*
Imagine the people sitting in the congregation, knowing what was about to happen to this man! Don't preach where you are not wanted! What are these members doing to grow the church with "prominent" members?!
They should consider themselves prominent! Not worried about saving souls and encouraging the afflicted! They need to get their priorities together!
God has to do the saving.
@@terminat1 Yes, I know. But people encourage the saving or the opposite based on their actions. Some people don't realize we don't wrestle against flesh, but other powers in high places.
@@keciabrown8321 I'm not sure what you mean by "encourage" here. God is sovereign in salvation.
@@terminat1 By "encourage", I mean people can draw people near God or away from Him by their actions. If a person is not a believer or just starting out, etc., they can be turned off to Him by people. Some people don't have the mindset to just focus on Him. They are looking at the people who claim to represent Him.
@@keciabrown8321 I think you've made a fair point. Thanks.
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now in 2022 is a so sad / would be more sad in the world this year to december 2022
Pastor, YOUR FAITH should be your most high priority 🙏❤️
GOD IS IN CHARGE, when he closes a door He will Surly OPEN another,
Paritioners I’m Truly ashamed if noterity and money is your greatest thought
WHAT WOULD JESUS DO
GOD IS IN CHARGE 🙌🏻
I cannot believe these church goers did this!!! Sounds like these people that had this done, are not true believers!! Wanting to bring in rich parishioners is just against Jesus’s teachings!! We are supposed to NOT be respecters of men!!! Parishioners should want ANYONE to come to Christ! Shame on them!!! They’ll have to answer for this one!
He need to sue the sheriff department for:The disrespect of God, disrespect of God's house, disrespect of the sanctuary, disrespect of the pulpit, the disrespect of the clergy, disrespect of the staff, disrespect of the congregation. This has serious racial overtones. Whatever fool(s) called the sheriff, there's going to be HELL to pay. Those racist sheriffs should not have never entered the sanctuary and should have told those people to work it out civilly. These racist law enforcement are always looking for an excuse to disrespect black people. I don't blame him for continuing to speak. I hope God curse and judge those sheriff's as well as the people who called them. He should have stopped, rebuked and called down judgments from God on those sheriffs. The congregation and staff should have surrounded him and told those wicked representatives of Caesar to depart the temple. You don't let nobody come in and take your pastor away. Black people have become weak and intimidated by law enforcement. Lord help us. 🤷🏿♂️
The pastor was fired and refused to leave the church and so was trespassing. The officers asked him several times to come outside. I worship God with fellow believers, but don't go to church, since you will never find God's holy spirit there, so I'm not taking up for this church.
It's just that when a person is fired, the proper thing to do is to leave. If the person disagrees with the firing, or there is some contractual obligation on the part of the church, then take the matter up with an attorney.
According to the report, most of the congregation voted for him to leave, so there must be more to the story.
There is a divine cal and church governance process, often mediated outside the congregation. It is not like a regular job, and that sheriff has a terrible ego trip problem. It would have been easy to wait until the service was over to do something like that. I would be happy to speak with that sheriff face to face to let him know my views man to man.
Very very shameful members of that church. There is no holy spirit dwelling with the people who orchestrated this debacle.
Sister Deborah on the _Redirecting_ Channel did a great analysis of this situation.
It's time for him to leave
This whole thing doesn't make sense. There has to be something left out we are not being told about
This is spiritual warfare! You need to remove the blinders from your eye's! AMENE
@@williamahkoijr.3822 Please get off your high horse. Don't tell me something I already know.
@@scratchy271 prayers for you Amene!
The members are the ones who are supposed to go out and evangelize and bring in the members The pastor's job is to study God's word and preach what Gid gives him to say
You’re talking good 😊
"Prominent members"?? don't walk, run from this church.
He is a man of God
In 2 Peter 3:15 it says : ... always be ready to give a defense of the faith that is in you.
It's not the pastor's job to bring in the people it's the people in the pews to take the message out there to the streets and bring those from the streets into the pews. The fault lies on the church members. Keep preaching Pastor 🙏🏽
This has to do with church government and their by-laws, the Bible expressly condemns the taking of this matter to civil court. Matthew 18:15 and 1st. Corinthians 6;1-7. The members more than likely have every right to do this and are probably justified. Nobody likes to do this because the church needs to find a new pastor, not always easy to do, and the pastor has to find something else to do. It all depends on how the by-laws were written.
The Bible does not say anything. It is the Church who says it and they recorded it in the Scriptures. It does not refer to man made Churches but to the Church established by Christ only.
This baptist Church was established by a civil group of people in a civil society and so they can resort to civil courts.
Christ's Church was established by Christ the Great High Priest and King and it was started with 12 Bishops (priests and elders) who were commissioned by Christ the Great High Priest to carry on His mission
John 20:21. The teachings and traditions of which they were told to keep too, 2 Thessalonians 2: 15 and instructed to safeguard and protect. 1 Tim. 6:20 - 2 Tim 1:12-14. Rev.2:25 and Rev 3:11 - which was God's revelation of Himself in Jesus Christ, and it is this that must be safely guarded and the Church has a duty not to alter it, add to it or take away from it but to safeguard it as a faithful servant, in Christ.
We were forewarned of men like this in Matthew 7:15
The Bible does not say anything. It is the Church who says it and they recorded it in the Scriptures. It does not refer to man made Churches but to the Church established by Christ only.
This baptist Church was established by a civil group of people in a civil society and so they can resort to civil courts.
Christ's Church was established by Christ the Great High Priest and King and it was started with 12 Bishops (priests and elders) who were commissioned by Christ the Great High Priest to carry on His mission
John 20:21. The teachings and traditions of which they were told to keep too, 2 Thessalonians 2: 15 and instructed to safeguard and protect. 1 Tim. 6:20 - 2 Tim 1:12-14. Rev.2:25 and Rev 3:11 - which was God's revelation of Himself in Jesus Christ, and it is this that must be safely guarded and the Church has a duty not to alter it, add to it or take away from it but to safeguard it as a faithful servant, in Christ.
We were forewarned of men like this in Matthew 7:15
If the members don't want him as pastor why would he stay?
I pray for this man of God who has wicked members in his congregation. There was no need for this embarrassment, they shall reap what they have sowed. Vengeance is the Lord’s & he will repay.
Amen
There’s 2 sides to every story but you have already judged a whole lot of folks. JUDGEMENT IS MINE SAYETH THE LORD !!!
Thank you so much for your prayer! You took the words right out of my mouth! The Lord is not slack! He will righteously avenge this situation.
Lord, please comfort and bless this pastor and his family. In Jesus name, Amen.
People are going to Hell in a hand basket! Your personal Spiritual Growth is your Responsibility, Also! Do you fast and Pray on a daily basis? The Pastor is supposed to watch over your Soul, but being on Milk is your Responsibility to get too The Meat of The Word. They didn't have too do that and I don't think it's Trespassing if he has been a Member for Many Years. He should Not have been Arrested! There is Church Protocol and Ethics. The Police should have told them too work it out themselves.
I was just thinking that.. The Sheriffs Dept should have said, work it out.
God brings the increase! A Pastor cannot make people join a Church.
Exactly!
Caroline where in the word of God is it TAUGHT that One joins the church / body of Christ we read about in the scriptures after OBEYING THE ONE FAITH/Doctrine/teaching/Gospel of Christ? (Ephesians 4:5B) The preacher teaches the doctrine of Christ 1Timothy 4:16,1Timothy 4:6,13,2 Timothy 2:2,15,2 Timothy 4:2, TITUS 2:1.The PREACHER IS TO STUDY THE SCRIPTURES AND INFORM OTHERS THRU PREACHING AND TEACHING.THE PREACHER HAS NO AUTHORITY FROM CHRIST TO OVERSEE THE CONGREGATION OR SERVE TABLES.THE ( PASTOR) SO CALLED BY MANY....IS NOT BIBLICAL.THE PREACHER AND OR EVANGELIST DUTY IS TO PROCLAIM THE LAWS OF GOD NOT ENFORCE THEM.THE PREACHER IS ALWAYS TO BE READY TO (DEFEND) THE ONE GOSPEL/FAITH/DOCTRINE /TEACHING EPHESIANS 4:5B, AND CONTEND FOR THE ONE FAITH JUDE 3.
What about the congregation helping bring in new people, it doesn't fall only on The Pastor,
A fashion show in years past. We got a few a their former members after their last split. I guess they leave in clusters. No scandals in our church; it's quite sad to see turmoil going on when the world is watching.
Ever house has it's problems there know perfect church 🙏🏿 keep it moving much love.
@@ronnieneville5914 The problems in this particular church are not normal and need to be addressed as such! It was WRONG for that congregation to do that to their pastor! They put all of the responsibility of growing that church solely on his shoulders, when it's God who sends people. To bring worldly law enforcement into a church, especially while the pastor is delivering a message is unthinkably despicable and evil! What runs this church is sheer GREED and it needs to be pointed out! This is the sort of thing God HATES!
Absolutely! Unbelievable!
You have the right to face your accuser, !! Know your amendments!
These incorrigible people don't realize the role of the church in society. Their policing would be unattainable without the hand of God through the church. Respect the preacher and the church period.
What is really the church's role in society?
Dear pastor, if you're a disciple of Jesus, follow HIS exampe: when they order you out of your leadership position, leave and offer that they keep your salary for the week as well.
Messy.... this is why people don't respect the church. And that women up video taping. Was she a part of that messiness. A shame!!!! This makes you sad... He didn't grow the church... thats their job. It's his job to lead and keep them. If no one is following them to church, you see why RIGHT HERE....
That and it is built on White supremacy and the Black church continues to perpetuate the idea of western idea of Christianity.
Yes indeed, they should have waited!!! He's not a criminal, And he wasn't going anywhere!!!!
Not sure of what is going on in this congregation and why members wanted "prominent " people in their church, didn't James ch.2 say not to have favor of one important person over a person of lesser status/ poor, "do not say to the poor stand there or sit under my footstool" ? THE answer will be found in the By-laws of that church or denomination to which is subjected, in many churches the Elders or Deacons only vote to remove a pastor others may be influenced by organisational decisions. I would hope this church will collectively pray over this riff, prayer changes men and women when they enter in with a spirit of allowing God to do his will in the heart(s) of his people.
Pastor the Lord has something bigger an better for you. I believe God doesn't close one door without opening another. The one's who had you arrested that's between them and the Lord. They will stand before the Lord one day for their actions. We all will.
If all that's on those church members mind is prominent members they definitely don't have the right things on their mind. I will be praying for them for sure.
What the members voted him out because he failed the to grow the church and bring in prominent members...? This is about money...? This is not about the gospel...,
"Terminally ill" Hilarious quote.
I support our men & women police officers but they should have waited until after the church sermon to arrest him just a thought !! 🤔🤔
Bitten Shepherd,
This pain is so other. It is sharp, deep, and beyond tender aggravation. It feels so infectious with its strands of betrayal, accusation, and deceit. It is so violent it attempts to steal you from your assignment.
The hours you have counseled, encouraged, fought off wolves, sheared, oiled, picked out briars and thorns, left the 99, and removed painful foreign objects from hooves seem so far at the anguish of the bite.
But ohhhhhh the healing salve The Good Shepherd has for you! Just like the prescribed oil only to be used in the temple, I believe there is a special blend of balm reserved only for this type of wound! And unlike a skimpy pea-sized application of ointment in the natural, Abba Himself reaches down deep into the golden reservoir and lifts up a heaping handful just for you! He places this balm into the bite and it heals and soothes every sting, every burn, every hurt. It reaches every crevice, even the unseen spaces. Won’t you rest in this soothing?
Yes, sheep bite. Yes, it hurts! Yes, He heals you, even now! Yes, you will tend, care for, and Shepherd another again! Your love and care for the flock is sure! ❤️🐑❤️
Police should have probably "ducked" this issue by telling whomever called the police "it is a Civil Matter"!!
Why the "HELL" (pardon my expression) does this have to be done Publicly...In front of his Parish? Why not in "private?" I realize that this was attempted, but was it a "reasonable" attempt by the Police, is my question.
Where in the Bible does it say that pastors are voted in. Our churches have become a business and have taken matters into their own hands, instead of going to the Lord.
I feel bad for the pastor. There is no reason to do this. The Lord will take care of this situation. Pray for those who did this!
Best comment. I agree!
Pastor I pray God will intervene quickly. The members are still on milk. Don't be discourage. If that is where God has placed you then shall it be. The people will all answer to God. It's the member place to bring in members. A church divided will not stand. Let God lead you and be in çontrol. Keep your head up high Amen and Amen.
" AMEN TO THE TRUTH"!!
" They had the nerve to say bring in " prominent members"; I guarantee you; the leaders of the ridiculous abomination; "call themselves prominant"; and. their actions do not represent someone SAVED-- doing these things they are doing"!! God calls Pastors to lead the flock-- disciples get disciples. If the preaching; teaching & reaching ( Evangelism); is being done. They must Wait on the fruit of their labor. Not oust the Pastor"!! ALL WRONG"!!!AMEN
Amen... if God put you there and that is your assignment don't tuck your tail and run stand firm believe and trust in God
I know the scripture you are referring too and I don’t think their on milk. They is on chicken and watermelon and ZERO HUMILITY !!!
Only a Few shall take the Narrow path. Walk on Pastor.
In Love.Well.....If the congregation doesn't want you there, there's other churches.
Also, if GOD has genuinely called you to preaching and sharing to the Holy Scriptures, HE will most definitely, open a door for your ministry to continue, no matter if you, are called to start from just 2 members. Remember, most Baptist, AME and other types of denominations can vote leadership (including pastors) in and/or out of a church. Nowadays, most people, who "attend" churches, don't want to hear to truth, it's full of competition, jealousy and cliques. GOD is absolutely, standing outside of these congregations and flesh reigns supreme.
They want to live like GOD closes his eyes and ears to sin. GOD forbid!
We cannot condone alternative lifestyles, leading and teaching our children, adults, teens, young adults and grandchildren.
We cannot allow these and whoremongers over the choirs and music ministries. There's a huge difference between Ministry and entertainment. Lots of people are confused in this area. It's better to have no musicians and sing to the glory of GOD that be friends with perversions of the world. GOD will reject that praise. People know the Bible, I am not throwing scriptures at you.
Read GOD's Holy Word for yourself.
It's Holiness or Hell. Righteousness or unrighteousness. The Holy Bible lets us know to stand for what is right. Love Holiness. Only the devil and his demons and his followers create factions, fractions and division. They hate giving glory, honor and praise to GOD. The GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The ungodly want to be a celebrity, self-gratification, recognition, to be worshipped and praised. The Bible says, "If I be lifted up, I will draw all men unto me."
That's Jesus talking. So, if this is done, don't worry, who likes it or not. Old school preaching is what delivered and saved and encouraged us to keep up the good fight of faith. Not sing and entertain you happy, spiritual weaklings cannot face the challenges in life. It takes dedication to GOD, church attendance, Sunday School, Bible Studies, fasting, prayer meeting, reading your Bible praying at home.
We MUST, not forget, the reason for a church is delivering the message of salvation, offering a new way of life, souls being saved, captives of sin/demons/bad habits/addictions set free and how to love GOD and walk in a new life. This should be taught in patience in love. Encouraging one another it's a major and very important and exciting thing, not meddling and gossipping. Everyone has to start somewhere.
We weren't "born already saved"! Also, be taught the truth. Too many false doctrines, denying "Hell" and once saved, always saved. If both were true, that's calling GOD a liar. Paul's preaching was mainly to churches who had wavered and had backslidden tendencies. So, if once saved always saved, there would haven't been any need for these church congregations to be ministered to and encouraged to turn away from the wrong direction and get back on track. Follow the path to righteousness. Also, the book of Revelation lets us know, a person's name can be removed from the Book of Life.
Have we actually fallen in love, with the word of GOD? First and foremost, do we really love GOD or just want what he does for us and gives us and that's it?
People love and respect pets, cars and jobs more than they do GOD Almighty. Yahweh, Jehovah. There are many names for the true and living GOD. Listed in the pages of the Holy Bible. Be very, very careful with these newer Bibles, they soften sin, change meaning and have removed lots of things over the last 45 years.
It's time for "All of us", whom claim we are Born Again, Christian believers, repent and get our hearts, minds, souls and lives sold out to Jesus! Our lives, words, actions and motives should be pure and Holy.
Occupy till I come.
HARVEST TIME, REVIVAL TIME is NOW!
Praying for you Pastor!
Praying for that congregation, too!
Praying for Pastors, missions and congregations worldwide.
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God be with him
Dang. They told pastor "you ain't gotta go home but you getting the heck up outta here "....but churches needs to pay them bills.
It's not the pastor's responsibility to grow the church! They put that solely on his shoulders! Unbelievable! That is sheer GREED!
You better get the FLOCK out that church!!
Oh yeah... Imagine how crooked the politics is in that town...."let's go down there and pick him up while he's preaching that way we'll know where he is"..."but that would be wrong sir!"..."says who?"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤬
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Should've obeyed the deputies and stepped aside and let them speak with you
@Pastor Craig Ok, but that's why the cuffed him the way they did, because he wouldn't speak with them before hand, as they requested
@@mtuitoelau they didn't come in until he was already preaching.
It is for a pastor to preach, and it is for the Christians in his flock to advance that word into the populations outside the church. "Go among the many and spread the good news".
If you think about it, God works in many ways, maybe he sent those deputies to get him off his pulpit. Then again, we cannot know for sure the reasons God does things, but he does them for a reason.
This wasn’t God this was folks calling the police.
THIS WAS NOT GOD...THIS WAS PEOPLE. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO COULD BE BRINGING PEOPLE IN EACH WEEK BUT DONT AND THEY ARE THE ONES WHO CALLED THE COPS, NOT GOD. NONE OF THIS IS GODLY.
I sat a bowl on a counter. I picked the bowl up and said I'll never sit a bowl on the counter again. There must be a reason for that too. 😂😂😂😂
I will pray for both the pastor and those of his church who are the real true members and who love and care for him as their pastor
Sheep begets Sheep. Psalm 139&34 Thanks
Lord have mercy on those carnal church members. That's not how its done.
The same thing happened at my church which is why I do not attend there anymore my people we do some of the dumbest things in church and call ourselves children of God we need to quit behaving this way God is not pleased with your ignorance there's Bi-Laws you must follow when asking a preacher to leave the pulpit you cannot just terminate him under contract the word being contracts
Yes, it's so pathetic and shameful! A people who does things like this will not advance!
First of you never take church matters before the court 1 Corinthians 6:2 states that the Saints would judge the world, then secondly how many of the 200 members invited someone to church maybe if they had invited someone to church it would have grown.
If that church is run by the community , the arrest is justified with their vote. It's not a private or self owned church. It's also unbiblical to get the authorities settle the dispute. If the authorities are involved why IRS is exempted?
I am an agnostic, yet even I can see the wrong with what the cops did!
Would I ever go into a church and start disrespectfully and loudly complaining (like a vegetarian and/or a transgender type of personality) under my own opinion(s)? Straight up.... no! I am about respect for my fellow man/woman! You....do you! Police could have respectfully waited for the service to end!
And how on this global earth did the police ever get so much power that they could arrest a preacher, and did so solely based on the congregation using the police because the pastor could not up the numbers/monies! Wake up everyone! Christians are woke to the fact that their god is not only found in a church, and nor are Christians bound by any godly rule that they must attend a physical church, with the threat and intimidations by Baptist preachers (based on personal dealings as a kid), that it is a sin!
Nowadays? There are many non church attending Christians who know, and have the awareness, as their bible teaches, that their god is everywhere! Any true Christian who is firm on their own opinion and has god in their heart, and run a Christian style house hold? That. Is. Their. Church!
Period!
God grows a church NOT THE PASTOR. THIS TELLS ME THIS IS A DEN IF THEIVES NOT A HOUSE OF GOD.
Pastor: “Deacon, pass the collection plate around to raise money for my bail.”
It's not just the pastor's responsibility to grow the church. He supposed to preach the word the word is supposed to grow the church... Along with other members
He needs to sue the police for false arrest.