Are We Saved By Faith Alone?
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- Is faith without works dead as mentioned in James 2:14-23 or is it a gift of God and not the result of works as mentioned in Ephesians 2:8-9? Watch our latest video with Fr. Panayiotis, Ph.D. as he explains the Orthodox perspective on faith and works in relation to the Protestant and Catholic view.
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As a Protestant looking into Orthodoxy, I fully agree with this. This is the best explanation on faith alone and works. Our Faith produces our good works, and our good works demonstrate our true faith. Faith and works are two sides of the same coin.
I was thinking exactly thé same this makes so much sense
That's literally Luther's argument! 😂
@@lest3136 If it was, then it wouldn't be "faith alone". Also, Luther wanted the Book of James removed because it went against his doctrine so it WASN'T his argument.
It’s been explained even further by orthodox tradition of saints: god works also improves faith through theosis. Nothing improves faith like the grace of God indwelling the soul, spirit & body.
I pray you have come closer to Orthodoxy since your post, brother.
but it is the faith that saves, not the works
the works come AFTER salvation by faith alone
what's so hard to understand about that? if you have genuine saving faith, you will receive the Holy Spirit and you will want to do good works
I’m a Confessional Lutheran, but more and more I find myself agreeing with Orthodox theology. And since I went public with that, my Lutheran friends keep coming at me with “Sola Fide, Sola Scriptura, Monergism.” And I find myself more and more sure that those concepts were Luther’s innovations, heavily influenced by both Augustine, and “age of enlightenment” thinking. Please pray for me as I wrestle over my next step.
@@dimitarzlatanski i am a fan of how simple and historical orthodox teaching is, i find a lot of catholic teaching (im catholic) very clunky
Sola fide is exactly what Orthodox believe. You are justified only by faith, but a true faith necessarily produces works. It's the RCC and the charismaniacs and parts of the pietist movement who reject it.
@@dimitarzlatanski it named itself Orthodox, like the Romans did Catholic. :) Be fair there. And they're in schism with the Oriental Orthodox.
You may thank God for your Lutheran friends.
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There is a big diffirence with the Gospel displayed for us in the Scriptures. At the end of the days Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox see good works as something which fills their bar of faith. The more works the bigger your faith which means you are safe/saved. In the end Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox in the core believe in justification through God's law. Galatians is the antidote of this thought. Because there will never be any flesh justified by the law before God.
Galatians 2:16
knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
I am Protestant and that is exactly what we believe. God bless you Fr. Panayiotis and God bless Orthodox believers!
Exactly. Most Evangelicals who have a strong understanding of the New Testament agree with this.
I believe we should focus on loving all believers(weakest first!) Denominations are a work of the devil! Sal who believe and REPENT in The Name of Jesus Christ will be saved! 1Luv go in peace.
@@devonmccloud5874
Orthodox church is not a denomination , it is the only true church . Orthodox church dates back to the first church that was established by Jesus himself while other ''denominations'' were started by mere men .
Superb explanation.
This is what I love about Orthodoxy: its well-considered, balanced and healthy tradition.
I’m an Anglo-Catholic, and I find myself agreeing with everything Fr. Panayiotis says here. Love my Orthodox brethren; the peace of Christ be with you all! 😊
I am Anglo-Catholic as well, and I agree with you.
A party of Anglo-Catholics here! Very good video.
We are all Christians and we shall agree with each other more and not call each other by our denominations.
A terrorist doesn't stop before a church to check if its a Roman Catholic Church, an Orthodox or a Protestant. He blows it up because he believes there are Christians.
We need unity now more than ever, instead of trying to convert each other and pick on one another.
God bless you!!! I was A-C for 60+ years. Everything I learned in those decades led me to join the Orthodox Church.
@Maxim Charles nope bro I'm stay in Holy One Universal and Apostolic
By thy holy kiss the churches of Christ will salute to you
It only talking about both Orthodox and Catholic
I am currently a Confessional Lutheran, but when I heard that Martin Luther wanted to get rid of The Epistle of St. James, my heart dropped. I became Lutheran about 1.5 years ago but even before then, I have always had Orthodoxy in my mind every day. Pray for me to better understand.
You will be in our prayers
But Luther ended up not actually getting rid of James and quoted it often. Did you read that part?
Don't forget, James was questioned in the early church by many within the Church.
So was Revelation, much more so than James, but evidently Luther had no problem with the Apocalypse of St. John.
That is true. Luther could not reconcile his new invention called "faith alone" with the James, and wanted to toss it away. There is an article about Luther's attempts to reconcile his stance with the Orthodox... you can find it if you google following phrase: "Luther Had His Chance". Cheers.!
I’m Southern Baptist and completely agree with this
Then come and join us brother
Have you attend an Orthodox service. It’s amazing. I’m a new convert from Baptist tradition :)
@r4rev2 No, you misunderstand. This is literally what Southern Baptists teach, when they teach well!
@@toomanymarys7355 but how about the rest of the Apostolic faith....as was said above....come join us.
Didn’t expect to find you here lol
It’s good to be Orthodox! 👍🏼
You can say that a million times and it still wouldn't get old
Currently studying orthodoxy and find it fascinating. I always explain myself good works are the evidence of true living faith. Please pray for my journey and who knows maybe I will embrace orthodoxy. I have been only a Christian for almost 2 years.
You have an awesome channel and will definitely be watching more.
Peace of Christ be with you all and God bless
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Lord have mercy and protect you on your journey.
Good Works DOES NOT MEAN Good Faith.
@@diananoonen2262 not everyone who does good works has faith but faith is always accompanied by good works. Very clearly stated so many times in the Bible
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Yes but good faith ALWAYS drives to good works and NEVER to No-works..😉
Luther said a lot.Sometimes he made some real mistakes. What I love about this explanation is how biblical it is, not exaggerating or taking certain passages out of context and not demonizing Luther but showing real humility. My biggest fear as a Christian is hostility and an us and them gang mentality in different groups (which I have heard from both a few Orthodox and really conservative Lutherans), which this priest does not show.
Agreed! You can tell that Father is really choosing his words at points to avoid conveying any animosity. Very calm, peaceful defense of the Orthodox position. The Spirit is on this man 🕊️
I agree. I find this gentleman particularly gracious compared to a lot of Orthodox in my experience…and just gracious in general.
the official Orthodox position on ecumenism is the exact "gang mentality" that you don't like
@@theTavis01 There is no "official" Orthodox position, only the guidance of Christ and His saints. If you cite any of them saying we should show no grace in disagreement then you would go some way to supporting the intention of your statement but otherwise you're probably just picking up an impression from a small selection of Orthodox priests and laypeople who are affirming these teachings with their own emphasis.
@@colmwhateveryoulike3240 The father here is doing Orthodox ecumenism: he is sharing the theology which we should not hide because it will help people. Martin Luther was a bold and sincere man but his errors are understandable, the result of one man's thinking.
We can find unity, by converting to Eastern Orthodoxy. 🙏😊 thank you for this wonderful video! Glory to God!
I like the explanations in Christ 🥰 with Love Father from Indian Orthodox church 🙏🙏🙏
Its a marriage! Faith & works, just as male & female no dichotomy, marriage. Our God marries the opposites in Love! Great video again 110% \0/
Thank you Father, may God bless you, and Orthodoxy.
As a Catholic, I love you're vids!
@Bert Clayton LOL
Outstanding! Faith & Works... USMC ~ Honor, Courage & Commitment. Semper Fidelis
You used the absolute perfect word "balance". Its the balance of works coming through faith in our Savior JESUS along with abiding by the commandments of our CREATOR and HEAVENLY FATHER...Thank you for the nudge in the direction of understanding this simply.
Very well said, Fr. Panayiotis! Thank you.
God bless you, father! Im on the way to come back to the orthodox church and I'm really glad to have found your channel. Loved this video and the one about christmas.
Nice one ! a great book on the orthodox estimation of protestantism is Fr JOsiah Trenham "Rock and sand".
That book is fantastic. He very kindly destroys Protestantism.
As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
I’m in the process of looking into orthodoxy and contacting orthodox churches near me. Looking to convert, previously non religious
Yes, except faith is never alone.
exactly
Thank you for this excellent explanation, father.
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Faith,Hope & Charity,By Grace
The works we're discussing are the natural progression of the Word being in you. I think it's most simply described as this: if your faith is true, and you're listening to Christ's teachings and obeying them, your behavior (good works) will naturally show it (bearing fruit).
At least that's my layperson understanding of the text.
You're correct and the apostle Paul had something to say about that in Romans 6: 1-2 - "What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?" and also because we are now a new creation - "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation" (2 Cor 5:17)
Amen! I am a Protestant by background, generally speaking. The bible, if it is indeed God's word, should be taken seriously: not added to, twisted, distorted or subtracted from. It is difficult to understand, sometimes, but that gives us no excuse to "force" our sense upon it. This is a beautiful explanation of one of the many paradoxes, or "ideological balances," the bible depicts. Sovereignty and free will; fully God and fully man; being born a second time; etc., etc. It is God's word. We should let him speak it as it is, and let him stretch and fill our feeble minds and hearts to know him deeply.
"Faith produces Good Works"
Glory to God ❤
So reasonable. It is the bright golden shine of the Holy Spirit working in His church which has brought us clarity through tradition.
Thank you for this important teaching father ! Coming from a Sola scriptura background this is such a good explanation .
"Faith working through love."
I am so amazed to hear this because it affirms what the Holy Spirit has taught me through a careful study of Paul in recent years.
Paul's exhortation referring to "deeds of the law" was a warning to Jewish converts not to substitute the traditional man-made laws of Judaism for faith in Christ, it had nothing to do with the laws of God.
Jesus said we are required to keep the ten Commandments (Mark 10:19) in order to inherit eternal life, and that we must be fruitful (John 15:2) to be received by the Father, warning that fruitless branches will be "taken away."
Most Evangelicals today agree with this. Luther was challenging a specific institution at a specific time, and he later agreed with this as well.
@Luke Gomez I personally know dozens, if not hundreds (I'm an overseas missionary, and this is what we do all day every day, and most Protestants are aware of what this means) "....and then have no answer as to what works should be done through faith and love." Actually, most protestants are familiar of what works of love and faith are, and the principles governing all of them are clearly laid out in the Bible, by Christ himself, and aftewards the Apostles. The Great Commission itself qualifies, as does serving the poor, the orphans, Bible studies in jails and prisons.....and in the Western world, most of these are being done by Protestants. In fact, outside of the Western world, a large percentage of these are being done by Protestants. I live and see this on a daily basis, and not just where I'm from, but where I currently live, as well as other continents where I have worked and lived. Sorry, it is just as easy to find Orthodox who wouldn't know how to answer this (my landlords for the last 8 years - in 3 different apartments - fall perfectly in this category.....zero works nor any idea what to do) as it is to find Protestants who have no idea. This is coming from an Orthodox Bible teacher, and the average Orthodox Church member would have an answer that is no better.
@Luke Gomez All fruit in keeping with a walk of repentance. There are many chapters that have specific things to do, which many Protestants do.
God bless you
We are saved by faith, not simply our knowledge of God’s existence and the fact that Jesus died on the cross. Faith is more than just the intellectual.
Thank you Father
Fascinating discussion!! I do believe that God is so merciful that he will save those who do good but have no faith. Faith definitely does naturally produce good works.
Was anyone outside of the Noah's Ark saved.? It is same God then and now and in the eternity...
Faith produces good works , that’s the best way to put it .
Faith is guidance from God which informs good works.
Also, the good works can act as a witness to cause faith to come about in another person who may not be a Believer.
It's my belief that this is ultimately the purpose of living our faith. Not simply for ourselves, and our brothers and sisters in Christ, but as a testimony to the whole world of the goodness of God.
If the apostles had not done good works, we all wouldn’t know about the Lord Jesus Christ.
Amen! Indeed the dichotomy between faith and works is a false dichotomy!
Usually baptists think its faith alone and once saved always saved
Father is correct, there is no dichotomy, because both “faith” and “works” are gifts/emanations of God’s Grace evidenced in humanity.
“Faith”, trust”, “belief”, “the virtues”, “good works”; all extend and become operative solely due to Divine Grace.
Most talk of “faith” and imply a “work”; a positive quality and/or a volitional “doing” of the person.
For example: “I ACCEPT Jesus as my savior”, “I BELIEVE in one God...”, or” I TRUST in The Bible”.
But we are being subtly prideful and dishonest with ourselves.
Without Grace as the primary factor, no such “doing” is even possible.
Like the sun’s light, Love’s Divine Radiance; God’s Grace, nurtures all of Creation. Many flowers blossom; some we call “faith” others we call “works”.
Thank you Father.
"Faith is a work of God in us, which changes us and brings us to birth anew from God (cf. John 1). It kills the old Adam, makes us completely different people in heart, mind, senses, and all our powers, and brings the Holy Spirit with it. What a living, creative, active powerful thing is faith! It is impossible that faith ever stop doing good. Faith doesn't ask whether good works are to be done, but, before it is asked, it has done them. It is always active. Whoever doesn't do such works is without faith; he gropes and searches about him for faith and good works but doesn't know what faith or good works are. Even so, he chatters on with a great many words about faith and good works." Martin Luther in his preface to the Letter of St. Paul to the Romans
it restores adam it doesn't t kill him, luther has been a self hating maniac ! it kills the sin of adam !
This is excellent. I have nothing to protest.
The Reformers sharply distinguished between justification, which is received by faith alone, and sanctification, which includes the transformation of our whole nature. Justification is purely juridical and declarative. Sanctification is renovative. That distinction, as far as I can tell, is not made in Orthodoxy. In Orthodoxy, if I'm not mistaken, justification and sanctification are two ways of describing the same thing, namely, theosis
AMEN..Thank you..
Thanks father
This was an outstanding presentation!
I will always defend my orthodox brothers, though I'm a southern Baptist myself, from those who confuse it with Russian or Romanian orthodoxy. It gets faith by grace right, and that honestly is key.
Very good explanation! Also, we very often forget that the "faith vs works" conflict in the New Testament texts is in the context of faith, hope and love in Christ versus following the 600+ religious rules and regulations of judaism at the time.
Thank you so much for the great videos!!! They really bring awareness and understanding of our faith. Personally I got exposed suddenly to different denominations (since I came to live in North America) and although I have been Christian Orthodox almost my whole life, wasn't prepared for this challenge. I am so grateful because the new environment really woke me up and motivated me to do my own research about our faith!!! What a tremendous treasure we have!!! However, it still confuses me when many protestants say that they know the day and the time when they "have been saved," ( obviously a moment that they confessed their faith I guess) because they say, they felt the presence of the Holy Spirit - but yet at that moment they don't know what the fruits of their faith with be. However they believe they are saved no matter what will happen in their lives because as they say, can't lose their salvation. Please Father can you do a video about " once saved always saved?" Thank you again!!!🙏 Την ευχή σας 🙏
James is not saying that our works make us righteous before God but that real saving faith is demonstrated by good works. Works are not the cause of salvation; works are the evidence of salvation.
Christ be with you
It is Grace that saves us
He is saying that without works we will not be saved.
St Paul says exactly the same thing
Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption; but he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. 9 And let us not grow weary in well-doing, for in due season we shall reap, if we do not lose heart. (Gal 6:7-9)
he tells us that it is those who keep the law who are justified (rom 2:13)
Faith justified because it upholds the Law (rom 3:31)
God bless you
I am Calvinist so I can’t speak for Lutherans, but we believe faith is what saves you not works, but we surely do not teach to not do works, just that works are not what saves you. Works certainly proceed from faith so I agree.
Exactly my understanding
As a Protestant with no denomination, I agree with all of this.
What stops you from inquiring Orthodoxy then.?
This is pretty much the Protestant position, we should do good works and avoid sin, but we don’t say you need to do so many good works to be saved or if you do a certain sin like miss church you are damned again.
Christ be with you
no on says you need to do so many works.
Its that you must not sin
What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!
Do you not know that if you yield yourselves to any one as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? (Rom 6:15-16)
not going to Church only becomes a sin when you make it one
Whoever knows what is right to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin. (James 4:17)
you must ask your self why you are not going, does God ask so much.
GOd bless you
My view on this and o think that that is what this video was about that if we have faith and love for God than wel do good works and if we dont than it is for nothing beacause we are selfish and greedy and only work for our own salvation
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Very very good explanation. Faith and works must be together. However, I think the view you express that we do good works because we have faith is exactly the Lutheran (and maybe most Protestants) view.. Our works add NOTHING to our own salvation, but they are a visible sign of our Faith. My one issue with that is that in Matt 25 (Sheep and Goats) Jesus judges by works. If he didn't mean it, why did he say it? Also Paul says in 2 Cor 13 - that we have faith hope and love (better translated by the KJV as charity) and the greatest of these is not faith, but charity. So maybe our salvation is some mixture of faith and charity. But I liked your explanation - ultimately, the this controversy is a non-issue because, as you said, they really are two sides of the same coin.
It is, and always has been, about doing God's will. Righteousness is defined in the Old Testament as serving God. (Malachi 3:18). Matthew 25 is talking about service to others which is a form of serving God. It is God's will that we have faith, thus why faith is considered righteousness. And through faith in Jesus Christ, we transformed so that we can further serve God.
I don't think that Luther would actually disagree with this, even. We are saved by faith into good works. If you have time to produce fruit and don't, then you're not the kind of tree you're pretending to be.
We reformists do agree on everything you said except the part when you slipped in the heresy: "God gives us faith which produces works WHICH SAVE US" (meaning: those works of ours are not just the good fruit of the holy Spirit and the way our faith is made seen but the MEANS through which we are saved)
That's where we disagree and where the word of God triumphs ower the eastern orthodox and roman catholic dogma.
That's contrary to the Bible and the church fathers teachings.
Dear Fr Panayiotis, can you expand on the GOC understanding of marriage and divorce? I struggle with the 'acceptance' of divorce in our churches. Clearly a person does not have to remain in a home where they are being verbally, physically or sexually abused! But isn't 'divorce' to be exception rather than the norm (as stated in Matthew 19:3-12)? I'd love to watch a video from you on this topic. Thanks!
3:09 good works regarding our neighbour the jews themselves.
I think faith can save us because with faith and love for God leads us to do good things and works because if we work and want to save only ourselves it is selfish and bad
I think "saved by faith" means that God forgives and gives new life for free, not because our works merit, earn or achieve it. We simply trust that God forgives. However, salvation includes being saved from sin, so can we be "saved" if we ignore how we hurt others. Works is what we are saved for.
Being an Anthropologist (cultural) I see Luther as a genius in adapting Paul into a critique of Medieval Catholicism..His commentary on Galatians and his preface on Romans is a polemic within his society context of the accumulated merit of the corruptions of Rome to raise money.
The best modern book on grace is John Barclays "Paul and thee gift" where the biblical theologian uses anthropological insights into the Paul's use of charisma (gift). It both critiques Luther and demonstrates how grace requires reciprocation.
Luther should not be seen as expounding Paul in a timeless manner.
I'd say Orthodoxy s view has also to be understood within it's cultural context in history also. There are no timeless ideas to debate about.
Luther adapted to his time and Orthodoxy adapted to the Eastern context. There is no conflict
Αμήν!
Good works can help us receive crowns, therefore, works can help us with salvation. Our works can bring people closer to Christ or push them away, so works do effect us. Don't they? If we push someone away from Christ, we will be held accountable.
Yes real faith in Jesus will save and that faith will lead to good works (fruits). Where I disagree is one can be on a his/her death bed and for the first time believe and have real faith in Jesus and be saved (and Orthodox priests indeed have done this when receiving confession of their sins). In such situations the dying person never had a chance to do good works yet is still saved. The main point though is correct, under normal circumstances faith without good works eventually if not immediately is very likely an indication of a dead faith. Only God knows for sure the state of each one of us.
Same thing with the thief on the cross who Christ promised would be with him in paradise
@Quietude false. Both would wrap rings around you with the Apostolic Fathers supporting them.
Amen 🙏
faith without works is not faith because true faith means works but not 'my works'. "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me." The Christ who lives as 'me' is the doer of the works through the body I call 'I', but not 'I- the person'. Only this way faith and works are one and the same, when separation between 'I' and God-Christ disappears. How could God-Christ preach to the hungry without providing for the needs of the body?! Only a person masquerading faith can do that. True faith is not a thing I posses but what I am- total surrender of the idea of 'me' with the understanding that there is no room in truth for both God and I; God is all there is.
Wow, best explanation I have heard! Thank you and God bless.
daisilui
"The Christ who lives as 'me' is the doer of the works through the body I call 'I', but not 'I- the person''
What I-the person means?
If you believe that, then there is no sin, and as Luther puts it "Man is an ass, ridden by either God or the devil.".
So, it's not the non-existance of us, but submission to God. We do what God wants, not what we want.
If you reject free will, you reject virtue and sin. You fall into temptation, you must reject it, and Christ is there to help you, if you call upon Him. If not, you separate yourself from Him, not He from you.
When Abraham decided to obey God, it's not that God entered Him and brought him to the sacrificial altar, but Abraham himself. He submitted, and God found him righteous for his obedience.
Works are just simply the results of a faith.
Christ be with you
works are a result of Love (John 14:21-24)
Our Faith is not alone or we are nothing (1 Cor 13:2)
It must uphold the Law (Rom 3:31)
God bless you
Thank you Father for your clear and excellent teaching. There is one thing I really need some guidance and help in understanding, hopefully Father you can help me in this struggle. I found out that my grand mother who was from Faamagusta Cyprus was something called an old calendarist non ecumenical believer. So I did some research on the subject matter and now I'm really confused as to which way I should go; new calendarist main stream Greek Orthodoxy, or the old calendarist who do not embrace Ecumenism. Please father shed some light on this subject matter for me. Is the ecumenical movement a heresy, Thank you Father.
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since Christmas is tonight he won't be able to respond until either tomorrow night or the day after.
Justification pertains to the discernable judgement of deeds or actions. Deeds or works are judged righteous or good if undertaken for the right reasons in order to produce a good, beneficial or right result pursuant to Divine predicate.
Faith is not belief, it is the guidance from God that informs Good works. If we willfully choose to act upon the guidance faith affords our actions are justified, because they are necessarily righteous, being informed by Divine predicate. If, on the other hand, we willfully choose to ignore or reject the guidance of faith, its as if we had never been gifted with the grace of god by which faith is conveyed, because faith without works is dead, unconsummated. A dead faith, cannot save. Faith is a free gift conveyed by God as a result of His goodwill, favor or Grace to those who seek it. It cannot be taught, purchased, earned, acquired through study,. It is given freely but it is not unmerited. The statement saved by grace through faith implies saved by works.
Will you be tackling all of the Solas? Sola Scriptura would be a great one to tackle.
I think we sort of cover it in our previous videos :)
What is your name friend?
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It is easy to cover but when dealing with protestants it is a huge obstacle. Tbh I'm not sure if a video would even change minds but having things laid out one subject at a time is useful.
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Ben, I have been on that journey.
In many ways, I am still on it.
From what I have experienced so far, I can only advise: stay engaged with the Church, hold any doubts in tension with what you think the Church teaches, when you are ready the Holy Spirit will offer you answers to your questions.
Just stay on the Way.
Most other atheists, most of whom I presume are scientific materialists, refuse to engage and do not really seek those answers.
Bless.
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Justification in
Scripture
In my humble opinion the one passage in the Bible that proves that justification is by faith alone is 2 Tim. 1:8-10, but you may not agree so I will give you a number of other passages below that may suit you, but first my choice from the pen of the apostle Paul. “Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God; Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.”
Now you may not agree. So make your selection from the
following passages of scripture,
Genesis 6:8, 15:6, Psalm 34:18, 51:1-5,106:31, Zechariah 3:4, Isaiah 53:5-12, Jeremiah 23:6, 33:16, 31:31-34, Habakkuk 2:4, John 3:16, 6:29, Acts 15:7-11, Romans 1:17, 3:20-28, 4:-4-25, 5:1,16, 8:28-38, 9:31-32, 10:1-4, 11:5-6, 1 Cor. 1:30, 2 Cor. 5:17-21, Galatians 2:16, 2:21, 3:3-11, 4:1-5, Ephesians 2:8-9, Phil.3:1-9, Col. 3:3-4, 1 Thess. 4:14, 2 Thess. 2:13-14, 1Tim. 1:12-16, Titus 2:14, 3:5-7, Hebrews 1:3, 9:28, 10:38, James 2:23, 1 Peter 1:5-11, 2:24-25, 1 John 2:2, 5:5, Revelation 12:11.
Here from an Irish wit: "If it is difficult to get a rich man into heaven. It is even more difficult to get a poor man out of purgatory."
HIGHLY BENEFICIAL teaching speech.
i will send this speech to some of our finnish ort. sharp-edged-head's leaders : and plead them, if they could get the permit to compile to this teaching speech finnish subtitles, and then cum-publish it again at youtube, for ex. at pages "Ortodoksi.net".
Thank you for this video. I agree with the overall sentiment. However I am unfamiliar with something Fr. Panayiotis states. Can you please point me to the scripture where St. Paul distinguishes from the Mosaic Law and the Ten Commandments?
The publican in the temple did not have any works to present to the Lord, neither did the thief on the cross. They had both led a terrible life, and all that they could offer was their repentance and (probably rather weak) faith and their sin. Yet they were pardoned, justified and made holy. That is the way it continuously happens, and the works come afterwards. And I think that they are works that are not even consciously done, but expressions of the indwelling Holy Spirit. And any works that are consciously done ”for the love of God” can actually be sinful. When I think the last judgement, it appears that the blessed are genuinely surprised: ”When did we see you hubgry, thirsty, sick, in prison, etc…” They cannot recall having done anything special or meritorious. Many of the damned might have a list of their wonderful works they did ”for the love of God”.
Thief on the cross held a short sermon to the other thief prior to being pardoned by the Lord. That sermon serves to us as a obvious show off of his faith. Without it we would be puzzled as to why he deserved Heavens. Due to his works we know why. I thought Protestants are the masters in knowing the Bible and you proved me wrong.
The Orthodox view and the Lutheran view are close, though the difference is synergism vs monergism. Free-Grace Christians are those who take Sola Fide to the absolute extreme
For the next video, could you please not do a background audio over the speaker?
Please do put liturgy audio, it’s very soul refreshing ✝️Thanku
Steps of Salvation:
1. Hear the gospel (Acts 15:7)
2. Believe what you've heard (Hebrews 11:6)
3. Repentance (Luke 13:3)
4. Confess Jesus is Lord (Romans 10:9)
5. Be baptized (Acts 2:38)
6. Live faithfully until death (Revelation 2:10)
Whats the chant name?☦
I have not heard saved by faith, we are saved by grace. Faith is the vehicle. Works is the outgrowth of being saved by grace through faith, This aligns with Paul and the early fathers like Clemet of Rome. The issue comes when people try to eliminate one of the three.
Okay, so the orthodox agree with the protestant, or at the very least the Reformed, understanding of salvation by grace through faith. The Reformed for years is you are saved by grace alone through faith alone but faith never comes alone, it will always lead you to the good works that God predestined you to do as the rest of Ephesians 1 talks about.
If faith alone is false and scripture alone is false, then all of Protestantism is false. Regardless, if you’re Lutheran or Reformed.
Philippians 2:12
I love the explanation of works and faith. What turns me off is that sad crying, grief stricken men in the background.
I heard such an insightful, uplifting truth combined with such sad wailing. I just cannot put the two together!!!!!!!
While it's not sad wailing, perhaps we could have put something less somber. thank you for your feedback.
In Matthew 7:21-26 Jesus denies those who even do miracles in his name and calls those who do not do what he teaches foolish. Those who did the miraculous practiced lawlessness which seemed in direct conflict with the practices of righteousness Christ requires in chapters 5-7. This text refutes faith alone.
Faith is from the triune Godhead
Calvinism is the negation of faith.
Very well said Father. But I would like to make note of something which has always confused me. God declared Abraham to be righteous in Genesis 15 by believing God. While the incident with Isaac didn't take place till Genesis 22. So the "works" followed after Abraham was declared righteous by his faith. James 2 states that Abraham was declared righteousness when he offered up Isaac. But that isn't true. Abraham was declared righteous when he simply believed God back in chapter 15. He was declared righteous before any works were produced not after. Am I missing something here? God's righteousness is mentioned in Romans 3 and 5 as something that is freely given as a gift. So in light of James, am I righteous or not? Or is the free gift really conditional? Not trying to argue against good works. Just trying to understand these passages better. Thanks!
It was faith and obedience by which he left his land and people, to go seek after the promise. Not the promise of the multitude of his offspring, but the promise of the land. It is over this land the descendants Jacob, Esau, and Ishmael fight and contend over to this very day. But it was by faith, and obedience Abram left Chaldea and went to see this land. This was a work of faith.
part of the confusion comes from 'works' referring to two different types of work. When James says that "faith without works is dead," he is referring to good deeds as work. When Paul says that "a person is not justified by the works of the law" he is referring to ceremonial hoop jumping, like getting a circumcision. While Protestants have definitely taken things so far that some of them will reject good deeds, this Orthodox is avoiding the main criticism that Protestants have - namely that the Eucharist and sacraments have become a type of work in the way that Paul used it. Orthodox claim that anyone who does not share their specific Eucharist is not a member of the body of Christ, and is therefor bound to hell REGARDLESS of their good deeds and REGARDLESS of their faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
Luther hated the epistle James
If I were to explain this to your average Lutheran they would simply agree with it.
Which mames me wonder what the point was in the first place? Its a distinction that the Orthodox church already then believed? Then why did Luther simply not convert to Orthodoxy?
There is a great article I can recommend to you... simply google the following phrase "Luther Had His Chance". Cheers.!
Fr. Panayiotis, Ph.D "Martin Luther started reformation by objecting requirment of Roman Church at the time for people to have indulgences and pay money, and their works was part of their salvation, and the thing to have sins forgiven..."
This is heresy. Is there official magisterial document of Roman CC to support this claim?
Faith without works is dead, Mary is the Mother of God, and there is no God before the triune God
What Bible is he using?
0:20 faith is having deep understanding of the tanakh. Jesus said " search the scriptures they testify of me.!!! Without that the gospels are not reliable at all.
How about the Sabbath?
Christ be with you
Jesus is the fulfillment of the Sabbath.
In him do we find our rest
God bless you
Christ was accused by the pharisees for breaking the sabbath. Also He said "Sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath."