As a big fan of the Caymans and owned several in my life time including 981 GTS + GT4 + now GT4RS, I can say I believe 981 GTS is a bargain car to buy nowadays, it's peak of daily driven Caymans, reliability is simply best I have seen or had in Porsche, it have all sort of Porsche qualities in it, the prices are really bargain were at some point.... As for GT4RS, what gonna hold it's value is the fact it's last petrol powered Cayman ever made + the one every Cayman owner was dreaming of which is GT3 engine at the back....... But I expect some dip because I believe Porsche will make many of them and easily over 2000 cars..... Another speculation I have is that I smell a heritage or limited edition variant of it, there's nothing indicates that so far but somehow recent news of Porsche building 2 variants of some models (1 petrol + 1 EV) telling me that GT4RS will still be built alongside electric Cayman and potentially a limited edition model to end it all
Love hearing GTS praise since I bought one last year at the height of the market. Financially, the decision could have been better since I likely paid $5-$10 more than it was worth, but it was a goldilocks spec and it was local. On a backroad in the real world, I'm still competitive with my GT3 friends for 1/3 the price which is good enough for me.
this is extremely true. 981 GTS is an amazing car, more so than many new Porsche products. definitely the best sounding car I've driven outside of 991.2 and 992.1 gt3 with aftermarket exhaust. I genuinely believe its the best sounding cayman, even more than 981 gt4 and definitely better than any 718 outside of GT4RS. its a used option that content makers don't talk much nor have buzz these days but is and will be an absolute gem once people swing their heads and look back. I genuinely think its better than any 991.1 911 even in terms of fun. just such a pure fun car that isn't so serious all the time
@@ZDY66666 I drove/owned nearly every Porsche that came out past decade apart of 918, and I totally agree, infact 981 GTS I kept it the longest between all my Porsche owned cars, then sold it, couldn't stay without it for 5 months so I bought it again for another year lol, until I got Lotus Emira and GT4RS...... GT4RS is another level to other Caymans so normally I don't compare it to others, it's another level in price and experience.... But 981 GTS from all 981/718 Caymans is best I drove.... Such a fun car for a ridiculously amazing price in second hand market with reliability I never seen in any car despite over 10 track days taken in it....
@TRX25EX how are you liking the emira? It looks stunning but I wonder if it feels like an Evora refresh with the same power train? Does the V6 have as much character as the 981?
Interested in s2000 analysis. Seems to be a high topic of value in used cars recently. Especially with it's novelty, nostalgia and the fact that one one model was every produced. That together with the potential of future EV versions. Thank you! Love your channel
Great analysis. In the uk, high interest rates on mortgages and loans combined with winter will see a very soft market for this type of car until spring. Inventory is sticking and strong discounts are required to tempt buyers at the moment
I believe one of the only reasons the Porsche market rebounded a little bit was because they are simply just not producing them. I have been on the list for a 911 turbo for 3 years now. It should have been produced in early 2022. Still no word on it. By the time I get it it will be a 992.2. this will all change once production resumes back to a normal pace.
Love your insight. Have had my GT4RS for about 6 months now. I’m a long time track day junkie. I had a 718 GT4 which I really loved and traded it towards the 4RS, they are quite different animals. The 4RS is a visceral beast. I also have a 2014 981 Cayman S that is my daily driver and the car I risk on the track the most. These are incredible, reliable cars that have great support from fellow enthusiasts and aftermarket suppliers. If you buy them right, you can drive them for what a lesser car would cost over the life of ownership.
@@aymansgarageblah, blah, blah. Can’t you come up with more intelligent questions about the GT4RS? For instance why is it 992 GT3 owners exit star struck out of the GT4RS after done a couple of laps and want to trade me their car for mine with cash on top?
i think the biggest question is how the market will react that GT4s are no longer available to order... we'll see in 1-2 years but definitely no plans to sell mine... :) great video as always, thanks!
The value proposition for a 718 GT4 at $120k is quite clear, but at $150k it becomes less obvious. Chances are if you have $120k to drop on a car, spending $150k on a GT3 isn’t too big of a leap.
Unless you track either it’s all flexing. My boxters I put on 25K miles every year and don’t give a crap about value of the cars. Drive what you can afford.
Thanks Harald. However, this analysis is not as much for us Europeans as it is for US customers: we have no ADM here and our market is flooded with GT4s well under MSRP. Moreover, Porsche has increased the MSRP several times in the last years, which must be taken into account. Looking forward to a Spyder update! Keep up the good work and cheers from Italy!
As an American I’m jealous of European car prices. The American market is absurd right now thanks to dealer markups and the subsequent speculation/flipping of desirable cars.
Im going to pass my 718 gt4 to my grand grandson, if i ever find a wife. On the side note, my local dealer had a low mile 981 gt4 on the lot for only two weeks approximately. Gt4 got sold incredibly fast.
Your future wife will probably have you sell the GT4 for an EV Volvo SUV to shuttle your future kids around in. Your future grand son can buy your GT4 from me, at a price😉
Pass to your grandson while you do not even have a son lol. Pass it to your future son and he will pass it to your grandson rather. Son would be pissed lol
Who owns a Cayman or even a Boxster (981,982)should keep it, the production ends in 2024, there is a new noise regulation (EU) coming, which will be mandatory in June 2024, therefore I expect the prices to remain on high level.
Why you need to buy one now, economically: 1. Inflation, it would cost Porsche more to make an identical car now, that higher cost will be passed on to the consumer. Porsche is a listed public company, there will be a profit margin based on higher production cost 3. The next iteration Gt4 will certainly be substantially more expensive vs the 981 and 718, as it’s new and next gen 4. The car has become a cult status on its own and the GT brand is now so highly desired no one here will get an allocation 5. MSRP premiums will sky rocket thus supporting prices or pushing it higher for the 981and 718s 981 is the first GT4, there will always be newer GT4s, this is the car to get your hands on, you won’t make money but you won’t lose money either.
At some point prices break, people can no long pay or have the disposable. The world in being squeezed until demand reduces, prices slow or deflate, probably not to old levels.
This is the last update i posted for them: ua-cam.com/users/shortsYtV686W17qY?feature=share Most likely I won't make a separate video about the nsx but will bundle it with some other cars. The previous market updates didn't so well.
@@RyuMoto The base models (not the S) are down by 8.5% compared to the market top. Since the top was excactly one year ago, this also represents the YoY change. Not a bad result.
I am hunting for a 718 and am very interested in the graph at #7:18 (massive coincidence with the timestamp there!). I would love to see that slide with the months plotted on it. Am I right in assuming last dip in 718 prices on the blue line was November and December 2022, then went up from there? So Nov-Dec 2023 could be my time to pounce?
Loved the vid as always! But man, I gotta say, I just can't jump on the Porsche GT4 hype train. Yeah, it's great at hugging the corners and glides nicely on winding roads, and it definitely has the lighter feel and better visibility going for it. But when it comes to the steering feel, I expected more from Porsche, given their reputation. It honestly doesn't feel any better than what you get with an AMG GT C, which, by the way, comes with an amazing engine. And speaking of engines, the GT4 kinda left me wanting more - it doesn't have that explosive punch I was looking for. When I drove it, hitting the gas felt more Golf R than powerhouse sports car, which isn't what you'd expect with that hefty price tag. I just can't wrap my head around why people are dishing out so much cash for it when there are so many other solid options on the market that offer a lot more bang for the buck. If you're really keen on getting one, maybe consider the Spyder for at least some open-top joy and those great aesthetics. Anyway, eager to see what you'll showcase in the next vid!
@@fourwheeltrader as you said to me about 2/3 years ago, when you move away from EU data, there is issues with tax etc. But UK data should be ok on this. Hopefully you will find a way to reconcile the data in such a way that it's meaningful to the wider audience. Further still quite a few people look at the US/EU/UK markets individually as they are give some indication to what might come to the other markets. So all are relevant on an individual and collective basis.
Bs, 1st gen gt4 price will stay because it is the first gt4 and no opf, aecond one will also atay because it is an improvement overall and there will be no more of them just electric.
As a big fan of the Caymans and owned several in my life time including 981 GTS + GT4 + now GT4RS, I can say I believe 981 GTS is a bargain car to buy nowadays, it's peak of daily driven Caymans, reliability is simply best I have seen or had in Porsche, it have all sort of Porsche qualities in it, the prices are really bargain were at some point....
As for GT4RS, what gonna hold it's value is the fact it's last petrol powered Cayman ever made + the one every Cayman owner was dreaming of which is GT3 engine at the back....... But I expect some dip because I believe Porsche will make many of them and easily over 2000 cars..... Another speculation I have is that I smell a heritage or limited edition variant of it, there's nothing indicates that so far but somehow recent news of Porsche building 2 variants of some models (1 petrol + 1 EV) telling me that GT4RS will still be built alongside electric Cayman and potentially a limited edition model to end it all
Love hearing GTS praise since I bought one last year at the height of the market. Financially, the decision could have been better since I likely paid $5-$10 more than it was worth, but it was a goldilocks spec and it was local. On a backroad in the real world, I'm still competitive with my GT3 friends for 1/3 the price which is good enough for me.
this is extremely true. 981 GTS is an amazing car, more so than many new Porsche products. definitely the best sounding car I've driven outside of 991.2 and 992.1 gt3 with aftermarket exhaust. I genuinely believe its the best sounding cayman, even more than 981 gt4 and definitely better than any 718 outside of GT4RS.
its a used option that content makers don't talk much nor have buzz these days but is and will be an absolute gem once people swing their heads and look back. I genuinely think its better than any 991.1 911 even in terms of fun.
just such a pure fun car that isn't so serious all the time
@ZDY66666 bold statement, and I love every word of it.
@@ZDY66666 I drove/owned nearly every Porsche that came out past decade apart of 918, and I totally agree, infact 981 GTS I kept it the longest between all my Porsche owned cars, then sold it, couldn't stay without it for 5 months so I bought it again for another year lol, until I got Lotus Emira and GT4RS......
GT4RS is another level to other Caymans so normally I don't compare it to others, it's another level in price and experience.... But 981 GTS from all 981/718 Caymans is best I drove.... Such a fun car for a ridiculously amazing price in second hand market with reliability I never seen in any car despite over 10 track days taken in it....
@TRX25EX how are you liking the emira? It looks stunning but I wonder if it feels like an Evora refresh with the same power train? Does the V6 have as much character as the 981?
Thanks for including the GT4RS at the end! Just got a call last night for an allocation and going to the dealership today to talk details.
Cool, congrats!
Thank you ! As always, excellent content. An update on the 987.1, .2 and 981 Caymans would be greatly appreciated.
Will definitely cover them in a separate video.
Interested in s2000 analysis. Seems to be a high topic of value in used cars recently. Especially with it's novelty, nostalgia and the fact that one one model was every produced. That together with the potential of future EV versions.
Thank you! Love your channel
Great analysis. In the uk, high interest rates on mortgages and loans combined with winter will see a very soft market for this type of car until spring. Inventory is sticking and strong discounts are required to tempt buyers at the moment
I believe one of the only reasons the Porsche market rebounded a little bit was because they are simply just not producing them. I have been on the list for a 911 turbo for 3 years now. It should have been produced in early 2022. Still no word on it. By the time I get it it will be a 992.2. this will all change once production resumes back to a normal pace.
Amazing stuff as always. Can we request 718 spyder as contrast?
Thanks. I will include the spyder in the boxster market update.
Please , tnx @@fourwheeltrader
Love your insight. Have had my GT4RS for about 6 months now. I’m a long time track day junkie. I had a 718 GT4 which I really loved and traded it towards the 4RS, they are quite different animals. The 4RS is a visceral beast. I also have a 2014 981 Cayman S that is my daily driver and the car I risk on the track the most. These are incredible, reliable cars that have great support from fellow enthusiasts and aftermarket suppliers. If you buy them right, you can drive them for what a lesser car would cost over the life of ownership.
how many cars did you have to get from the dealer to get a Gt4RS, also was there an ADM?
@@aymansgarageblah, blah, blah. Can’t you come up with more intelligent questions about the GT4RS? For instance why is it 992 GT3 owners exit star struck out of the GT4RS after done a couple of laps and want to trade me their car for mine with cash on top?
i think the biggest question is how the market will react that GT4s are no longer available to order... we'll see in 1-2 years but definitely no plans to sell mine... :)
great video as always, thanks!
Thanks as always, Harald. Another excellent analysis.
Do an update to this in the fall please!
I’m officially in the market and tempted to wait till fall with some of the data I’m seeing.
Cayenne Diesel vs Cayenne Turbo prices would be a cool comparison.
Thank you for granting my request! ❤
Thank you Gold Member for the wonderful review.
These cars are so fun I think they will do just fine in a recession! HOLD them!
real lovers will buy it for its driving experience and pure enjoyment. not for profits and losses.
Can we request 718 spyder as contrast?
What do you think about the gt4 in a couple years, since this will be the last gt4 with an internal combustion engine?
Solid gold. Like air cooled 964
The value proposition for a 718 GT4 at $120k is quite clear, but at $150k it becomes less obvious. Chances are if you have $120k to drop on a car, spending $150k on a GT3 isn’t too big of a leap.
many people prefer a manual though. Not getting a gt3 manual at $150 unless it's a 997.1
@@bryanachee7133There have been “higher” mileage 991.2 sold for $150k-$160k
Those who have 80k to spend stretch for the 120k GT4. Those with 120k stretch for the 180k GT3😂
Unless you track either it’s all flexing. My boxters I put on 25K miles every year and don’t give a crap about value of the cars. Drive what you can afford.
Thanks Harald. However, this analysis is not as much for us Europeans as it is for US customers: we have no ADM here and our market is flooded with GT4s well under MSRP. Moreover, Porsche has increased the MSRP several times in the last years, which must be taken into account. Looking forward to a Spyder update! Keep up the good work and cheers from Italy!
As an American I’m jealous of European car prices. The American market is absurd right now thanks to dealer markups and the subsequent speculation/flipping of desirable cars.
What was a well spec'd Chalk White GT4 in 2021 has jumped over $30k now in 2024.
Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda bought it then.
Take a look at the Aston V8 Vantage. Lately going for stupid cheap in auctions lately
Yes especially the 4l ones are not holding up too well.
Im going to pass my 718 gt4 to my grand grandson, if i ever find a wife.
On the side note, my local dealer had a low mile 981 gt4 on the lot for only two weeks approximately. Gt4 got sold incredibly fast.
Your future wife will probably have you sell the GT4 for an EV Volvo SUV to shuttle your future kids around in. Your future grand son can buy your GT4 from me, at a price😉
Pass to your grandson while you do not even have a son lol. Pass it to your future son and he will pass it to your grandson rather. Son would be pissed lol
The ADM on the RS puts it closer to 300k.
Which country/countries does the analysis consider?
Can you do 993 market pls?
Who owns a Cayman or even a Boxster (981,982)should keep it, the production ends in 2024, there is a new noise regulation (EU) coming, which will be mandatory in June 2024, therefore I expect the prices to remain on high level.
Why you need to buy one now, economically:
1. Inflation, it would cost Porsche more to make an identical car now, that higher cost will be passed on to the consumer. Porsche is a listed public company, there will be a profit margin based on higher production cost
3. The next iteration Gt4 will certainly be substantially more expensive vs the 981 and 718, as it’s new and next gen
4. The car has become a cult status on its own and the GT brand is now so highly desired no one here will get an allocation
5. MSRP premiums will sky rocket thus supporting prices or pushing it higher for the 981and 718s
981 is the first GT4, there will always be newer GT4s, this is the car to get your hands on, you won’t make money but you won’t lose money either.
At some point prices break, people can no long pay or have the disposable. The world in being squeezed until demand reduces, prices slow or deflate, probably not to old levels.
Spyder?
Would you consider a pricing analysis on the 2nd generation NSX (NC1) please?
This is the last update i posted for them: ua-cam.com/users/shortsYtV686W17qY?feature=share
Most likely I won't make a separate video about the nsx but will bundle it with some other cars. The previous market updates didn't so well.
@@fourwheeltrader thanks. Was hoping for a current update but thanks for the work just the same.
@@RyuMoto The base models (not the S) are down by 8.5% compared to the market top. Since the top was excactly one year ago, this also represents the YoY change.
Not a bad result.
Tnx
I am hunting for a 718 and am very interested in the graph at #7:18 (massive coincidence with the timestamp there!). I would love to see that slide with the months plotted on it. Am I right in assuming last dip in 718 prices on the blue line was November and December 2022, then went up from there? So Nov-Dec 2023 could be my time to pounce?
The dip is between Nov 22 and Feb 22. With exception of the first points, they have an interval of 3 months.
@@fourwheeltraderLovely! I'll keep my cheque book in the cupboard for now 😄
Loved the vid as always! But man, I gotta say, I just can't jump on the Porsche GT4 hype train. Yeah, it's great at hugging the corners and glides nicely on winding roads, and it definitely has the lighter feel and better visibility going for it. But when it comes to the steering feel, I expected more from Porsche, given their reputation. It honestly doesn't feel any better than what you get with an AMG GT C, which, by the way, comes with an amazing engine.
And speaking of engines, the GT4 kinda left me wanting more - it doesn't have that explosive punch I was looking for. When I drove it, hitting the gas felt more Golf R than powerhouse sports car, which isn't what you'd expect with that hefty price tag.
I just can't wrap my head around why people are dishing out so much cash for it when there are so many other solid options on the market that offer a lot more bang for the buck. If you're really keen on getting one, maybe consider the Spyder for at least some open-top joy and those great aesthetics. Anyway, eager to see what you'll showcase in the next vid!
Interesting thoughts. Did you end up going for the AMG GT C? They lost a lot last year and start to look like a bargain.
How are you going on a UK Vs US comparison for Porsche models?
I am working to also include UK and EU data. There could be large differences.
@@fourwheeltraderthat would be great.❤
@@fourwheeltrader as you said to me about 2/3 years ago, when you move away from EU data, there is issues with tax etc. But UK data should be ok on this. Hopefully you will find a way to reconcile the data in such a way that it's meaningful to the wider audience. Further still quite a few people look at the US/EU/UK markets individually as they are give some indication to what might come to the other markets. So all are relevant on an individual and collective basis.
@@elliotthale1835 I started a pilot for the UK data about half a year ago, so hopefully i can show the first results in the upcoming six months.
RIP NA GT4. Such a shame, but this may increase demand in the future, one the last true sports cars. The next GT4 is a EV! Yuk!
So you're saying a 4RS is still possible 😂
Bs, 1st gen gt4 price will stay because it is the first gt4 and no opf, aecond one will also atay because it is an improvement overall and there will be no more of them just electric.
So what is bs about the video? The video shows that values are incredibly strong.