They were really so very similar that I actually couldn't say which one had better visuals. But for me... I bought the Quest 3 (and love it) over the Pico 4 because the Pico doesn't support my IPD of 60. As I understand, the settings on the PICO 4 goes down to 58 but the lenses stop moving at 62. That wouldn't work for me.
@@ThomasOhm-fx2hlThe Pico 4 can get smaller IPD than 62, agreed, it stops at 62, then there's a onscreen over ride button you can press to go lower than 62, I've tried this with my Pico4 and I could feels the lenses moving below 62. :)
Can you do a cv1 to quest 3 comparison? It would be cool to have a "through the lens : cross generation edition" to see how far we've come, in one video.
I miss essential information in your comparisons - this is - connection method - cable/wifi? program - pico or VD? oculus link, airlink or VD? What bitrate, what resolution? At a time when we can connect in different ways and each provides a different experience, this is essential information. Especially since the VD pico can do much more than the org soft pico
Pico 4 cannot be beaten for comfort. The balance is superb. I bought the Quest 3 because the lens clarity is awesome, but I would swap it for a Pico-5 in an instant if it came out.
Yup you get an upgraded facial interface and it is so much more well balanced and lighter it is freaking amazing. I have OCD with comfort and when it comes to these two hmds, pico 4 is so much better for pcvr.
I think it depends on your head honestly. I absolutely hate the standard pico-4 face mask, and even with a third party one, I am not particularly happy.
@@tosvusI don't use a face mask, tbh. I have a halo-like strap and use it kind of like a Quest Pro. Plenty of air flow and the side being open doesn't bother me.
I love my pico4. It was $100 cheaper, $250 if you get a better strap for the Q3, and it is lighter/balanced better with a stock ridged strap (battery in the rear). All the Pico 4 needs is an upgraded face cushion and you are ready to rock. For pcvr Pico 4, for standalone crappy VR, Quest 3 is better.
Great video Tyriel, I've been looking forward to this! I bought the Pico 4 when it released because I was interested in the new lenses compared to my Q2. I quickly sold my Q2 and used my Pico 4 as my main driver, and when the Q3 was announced I quickly realised PCVR gaming would be more or less the same on both headsets. This video shows it perfectly. A few bumps up in most areas, but not enough to justify an "upgrade" if you're only playing PCVR. Also, I think it's amazing how far the tech has come in so few years. I remember watching the Assetto Corsa comparison where the cars would quickly become blurs or blobs of pixels in the distance. Now you can actually see them well. Either way you look at it, both headsets are great. And the Pico 4 is a steal for what you get, and especially what you get out of the box. Crossing my fingers for an upgraded Pico 5 with eye tracking and foveated rendering next year! Stay safe everyone!
I have both Pico 4 and Quest 3 and the visuals are clearly better on the Quest 3. I don't know why the pancake lenses on the pico 4 are so blurry. On the Quest, it's sharp, regardless where you are looking at.
@@tyrvintersol916 It seems that you have a defective pico 4 unit, the headset is poorly adjusted or the ipd is incorrectly adjusted, my pico 4 is sharp almost in the corner. Personally, I had the opportunity to try quest 3 and I barely noticed a 10% improvement in sharpness but it is not something that is very noticeable,What you notice right away is the worst vertical/diagonal fov and the worst overlap that quest 3 has
I own both and i can say: - Pico4 is much balanced on your head! - Tracking is better on Pico4 (still halo rings, way less errors and quicker), Q3 is still "beta" in tracking with small chance for some fails or dropouts. - Pico4 may older, price is much lower and overall still good headset. - Pico4 is also less power hungry, last longer on batteries. You will go for Quest 3: - if your want try out AR side - if you hate halo rings and want lightweight controllers - if you have many quest games in store - more future proof side For PCVR use, both are good (Q3 can do a bit more with new gen cpu) so no shame to get Pico 4. Don't forget buy better facial interface from AMVR and it's comfy headset. Quest 2 is also not bad, but sweet spot is much smaller and FOV is bit smaller. That is only difference. IPD setting on Q2 is also limited. But Q2 is also not bad one because you can get it much cheaper on used markets. Good for the starters with low budget.
i also own both and i completely switched to Quest 3 because of the better displays and visuals as well as better ASW for PCVR, which i use in some games. But the Pico 4 is by far the most comfortable headset if you are using the AMVR facial interface. Even with the AMVR for Quest 3 and additional modding it's not that comfortable as the Pico 4.
Question for you - For Sim Racing PCVR - will you get better performance, clarity, battery life, etc. If you used a wire connection instead of streaming?
@@disarstar9179yes, for me playing First Person Tennis in 120Hz is like night and day compared to 90Hz. After playing in 120Hz for a while 90Hz almost feels like a Charlie Chaplin movie to me. This is similar to ELEVEN table Tennis, but the movement in Tennis seems to need as more fps as possible. I can play other games like No Man's Sky even at 72Hz with frame interpolation.
I'm enjoying my Quest 3 a lot. This is an interesting comparison because depending on what's being displayed, they look to trade which one looks best. You probably can't go wrong with either the Pico 4 or Q3. It's down to the ecosystem and software.
ive spent hundreds of hours with both at this point, and some stuff to be noted: quest 3 has better colors than the pico 4 by far, and if you have a nose bridge that sticks out even a little bit or you want to get closer to the lenses with the pico 4 get ready for inbetween the lenses for the pico 4 to hit your nose all the time. it also doesnt look near as good on pcvr because of compression, pico 4 only does wifi 5 not 6e
still hasitating. only tried ps5vr2 so far and i could see SDE there, but it wasnt to a point that it annoyed me, yet i wished for it to be less noticeable or gone complety, because the way i percive it, its a big neon sign spelling "its just a game". and iam kinda afraid, that the quest 3 is even worse in that department, due to the crystal clear lenses @@feather9658
It is the new vr standard but the Pico 4 is lighter and balanced better with a stock ridged strap with the batter in the back. For pcvr Pico 4 is better but for standalone Q3 is better.
@@LunchAndVR I always watch his videos to completion. Besides colors being slightly lighter on the Q3, the Pico is great. So is the Quest but Facebook is out of touch and I don't expect them to really nail vr down because all they want is the meta verse. They don't make practical decisions like adding in eye tracking or shipping the q3 with a ridged head strap for better balance and comfort. They added shitty mixed reality that is a lame gimmick though so you have to pay $100 to $250 more than the p4 (q3 with a new strap is 250+ more) and I feel bad for people who do waste their money on it.
I really want to see Quest 1 vs Quest 3. OLED low res, vs non-OLED higher res and better lenses. Bonus points if you can catch the god-rays of the Quest 1 or the Blur-flare of the Quest 3 in low light environments with bright objects such as BigScreenVR.
I have both and actually prefer watching movies on the P4. I do not notice the screen door as much and the headset is way more comfortable, compared to the Q3 with Elite battery strap. Games though are better on the Q3, but I only play standalone games. Added: I have an aftermarket face/gasket cover, since the one on the P4 sucks. The Q3 one sucks too, but not as bad as the P4 one does. Q3 is more front heavy, in spite of the battery strap.
I have also both of them and Pico 4 is a little too dim to watch movies comfortably. In the dark scenes it is very hard to see details even if brightness is set to max. Quest 3 is better in almost every aspect accept battery life. Pico 4 can compete and win with Quest 2 when it comes to visuals but Quest 3 is out of reach for it.
I personally own Q2,3 and regularly use P3,4 at work. The P4 is the most comfortable headset, no doubt. Screen/Graphics quality: I would rank Q3, P4, Q2, P3. I've not played games on P4 since it's only at my office. I have P3 at home, and the games look the same as Q2. I've only tried Eleven Table Tennis and Contractors till now. I'm not gonna try more since I use PCVR, PSVR2, Quest, and Pico, so it doesn't make sense for my wallet to buy the same games on all platforms.
@@randyx007totally in addition to having an almost perfect overlap and a wider diagonal and vertical fov than quest 3, quest 3 does not make sense for pcvr with pico 4 existing, in fact changing from pico 4 to quest 3 is a downgrade in the aspects that I mentioned above
BEST VR COMPARE CHANNEL ! Through the lenses is one possible real test what you can see with your own eye. And this guy shows everythink what we need to understand what we rally will se after buying.
@@benson5967tbh idk why people make battery life such a big deal. You can just buy a power bank pretty cheap that will keep it charged my power bank last 8 hours no one plays for 8 hours plus like I do. And it's not really a must on headstrap for everyone I still use the headstrap
i dont really see that edge but we should really be comparing the quest 3 to the pico 4 enterprise. and i am already thinking about importanting the pico 4 e and this video solidified that thought at the part with that racing game, also has anyone real thought of vr photography with a real camera, that racing game had me thinking it was irl on both (pico more so tho)
test pico 4 with pico connect, editing the app.asar for right settings (godlike settings similar to virtual desktop), it is much sharper than VD. i mean, a lot, also less latency, and you can control contrast/brightness/white levels through app.asar also.
Not to forget the binocular overlap. Pico 4 has nearly 100% bin. overlap, Quest 3 max. 70%. That means a clearly better stereoscopic (3D) sight with the Pico. But that it's not the theme of this type of videos, of course. The far more warmer picture of the Pico makes it more pleasant for Videos and Movies. All other content the Quest 3 shows better. Sadly the comfort of Quest 3, even with battery elite strap, is way behind the Pico 4. This means better balance and wider gasket due to the larger lenses.
what's the binocular overlap ? I don't get it For the Quest 3 you have a slider to get a warmer color temperature (called something like night mode) I'm always using it with my Quest 2
@@el_taiito5492binocular overlap means how much your right eye can see what your left eye can ,and vice versa, to put it simply. In pico 4 it’s basically perfect, but I kinda don’t notice it, some people are pretty sensitive to it tho’
I have done everything to make the Pico4 more comfortable, and even on my 3rd 3rd-party accessory, while much better, I don't find it great. I'm pretty sure I can get far better choices for 3rd party accessories for the Quest 3 in due time, so I'm hoping it will be more comfortable. Besides, my Pico4 lenses fog up the first 10 minutes or so, and are fairly picky about how you place the headset to get a sharp image in my view. I don't like the optics, you get a weird wobbly effect if you scan around the picture. (Try looking around at the mountains in the pico4 "menu" environment.). Glare is also a pretty major issue in my book. That said, when in the right game where it is not too dark or too bright, my headset has warmed up, it does offer a very detailed and clear picture.
@@brucerain2106 Yes, it's like binoculars. In the extreme you can see two separated images, or one merged. Quest 3 is a cross for me. Only in the center 3D. Perhaps depends on IPD.
Great video. Love both headsets, not much between them really. Q3 probably slightly ahead but somewhat more expensive. I will keep my Pico 4, but am buying a Quest 3 for my daughter for Christmas
Funny thing, I returned my Quest 3 because of a couple fundamental issues. Lack of cameras on top of the HMD means less over-head controller tracking which I actually need for dancing. It also means the headset and controllers lose tracking more often because it's not using the ceiling as a tracking surface and sees less light despite my room being brightly lit. However, the Pico 4 seems to have the right fundamentals to be a better and more reliable VR headset by combining the best of the Quest 2 and Quest 3.
I resolved this by getting the pro controllers for the quest 3, it gives me full motion tracking and it comes with charging stand ! However it is expensive....😅
I personally had the opportunity to try 2 units of quest 3 and I hate that they seemed like a mediocre headset for the price at which it is sold, the overlap is terrible, the diagonal fov is terrible,they have light pollution and mura the same as in pico 4 and I even noticed the lenses of my pico 4 were sharper at the sides of lenses, I can say that quest 3 is not a headset that I would recommend if your use case is pcvr, there is pico 4 that provides you with better things at a visual level such as the overlap, which is practically a perfect oval without deformations and they have a wider fov vertically and diagonally and it is quite noticeable
9:53 You have misfocused on Pico4, you cant see the pixels. While on Quest3 you can see the pixel grid. On alot of these tests, you have just poor focusing.
I would be beneficial for all if you detail the streaming codec and bitrate used for the footage since it is the most determining factor for the quality of the image. By the way, I like the music you used.
I watched this video on a 85 inch color calibrated tv. I was expecting a bigger difference in favor of the quest 3. Heard so much about the lenses. But on some of these tests the Pico 4 seemed better. And actually the screen door seems more noticeable on the Quest 3. Btw - the white balance/color balance on the Quest 3was way too cold/blue! Was this because of different camera settings when you were filming, Tyriel? In Norway the Pico 4 is half the price of the Quest. So for PCVR no reason to go for Quest 3 if this video is correct. Still considering Quest 3 for stand alone experiences because of newer cpu/gpu solution on the Quest :)
I just got a PIco 4 to replace my Rift S and Quest. I hated my Quest and it spent more time collecting dust then used even after I spent 150.00 to make it comfortable. The Rift S I have I liked and was still using it till my Pico 4 came in last week. If DPVR E4 had manual IPD adjustment, two displays and pancake lenses I would have purchased that instead as I mainly PC VR. But I have to say, it's nice not having any cables on the Pico 4 while pc gaming.
I have Pico 4 since for 4 months and I never used virtual desktop, I didn't even purchase that app. SteamVR works like charm always, without any issue.
@@szabolcscsengoi4231Yep, using the native Streaming Assistant on my both PCs. I have a perfectly smooth connection and gameplay with 3090 and 7900 XTX GPUs. I don't need to invest to another app to do the same job at this point.
something not mentioned and also hard to be picked up by through the lens footage is, the color vibrancy, although both are not OLED, both are using LCD, but Quest 3 LCD seems better quality as colors look better while Pico 4 colors look faded when compared back to back
@@BobInGreek I did buy a Pico4 but the lenses were distorted so I returned it for a Quest3 which is perfect, they've kinda earned their monopoly. Disappointing if they really have cancelled 5.
Not critical difference. thanks, man! recently ordered Pico 4 Pro as it also has eye tracking and still much cheaper then quest 3 with almost seminar PCVR experience...
Hey i have Both Headsets: Q3 and Pico4 on PC -Main Area very small difference in Clarity. Colors are preference. -Q3 is sharper at the edges -PICO Charges When Powerbank is pluged while playing. Q3 discharges whats Bad at longer playtime Thats my conclusion Greetings
@@emrah7921 Regarding your graphics card, I can tell you that it will be completely sufficient for the absolute majority of VR games. Since the majority of VR games are almost exclusively developed for standalone headsets, the PC requirements are relatively low. Of course, if you want to play regular PC games with VR mods (UEVR, Luke Ross, etc.), then this could be a tight squeeze for newer titles. My recommendation would be if you only want to play VR on PC. Newer titles that are modded and so on. Then it might make more sense to invest in a new graphics card and buy a cheaper VR headset (Pico 4) first.. In principle, however, I would definitely recommend the Quest 3, as it is much more future-proof both technically and in terms of support! In the meantime, for example, there are many exclusive titles for the Quest that aren't even coming out on PC. In the long term, it could be that you can simply skip the PC and enjoy the games directly on the glasses. So if you're faced with the decision to buy and can afford the higher purchase price, the Q3 is definitely the way to go.
I've owned a few Cv1's, 2 quest 1s and a rift s and just got the pico 4 and the image quality blew me away when I first put the headset on, the built in fan to cool the headset is a must, they have them in all fpv headsets but never seen them in VR before which is weird. Like all standalone VR headsets the image clarity is never that good even with the pico 4 having 2160x2160 a lot of games are still a little fuzzy but for PCVR I tried rec room on the headset and rec room on steam and PCVR wins as always... But I would highly recommend the pico 4 over any similar meta quest product
I have both, it really is a very close call for pure visual quality. The Pico 4 is sharper and has infinitely better binocular overlap, but the Quest 3 has less (but not zero) glare and reflection. If you already have a Pico 4 and mostly use it for PCVR, the Q3 is definitely not a big upgrade. For standalone and MR use, of course, it's not even a contest, the Q3 obliterates the Pico.
I have both and the Quest3 looks sharper, better colors, better lenses etc.. The Quest3 can do everything a little bit better than the Pico4. Like in this video... But it's worth it as the Quest3 is easier on your eyes
In this comparison the Quest 3 is definitely sharper. There's small text that you can read on the Quest 3 that you can't on the Pico 4. It's not a massive difference, but the Quest 3 always looked sharper to me.
Pico 4 has some great advantages you did not mention. some of it's advantages are: motorized IPD adjustment, more battery life, battery is on the back so it's weight is more balanced on the head and more comfortable, better quality rigid head strap with a dial knob to easily and quickly adjust to different head sizes. I feel like quest 3 is a little bit downgrade compare to Pico 4 for PCVR usage.
Speaking of diagonal lines, this varies a lot from device to device. When I first purchased it, I received a product with very visible diagonal lines, but after exchanging the device through RMA, I received a product with barely visible diagonal lines.
bought used PICO 4 for $250... Can't be happier without going Crystal or Varjo, possibly VR1 from Somnium VR. I don't see the benefit for PCVR given the huge cost. If I end up $500+ $100 Strap and tax shipping etc, Put that $700 toward a significantly better choice.
As someone who has owned both HMD's, I can say for me it's no contest, the Quest 3 was miles better in clarity. The Pico 4 wasn't much different in the center but the lenses distorted and introduced pupil swim out near the edges. All that warping gave me a headache until I got used to it after a month. But I had no issues with the Quest 3, and the optical clarity is amazing.
@benson5967 power bank just buy a power bank... it shouldn't matter if it's low battery life just toss a power bank on then good to go. I can play 8 hours with my power bank. Overall before dipping into my headset battery
I have the Pico4 and Quest 3, I like my Pico4 better than my Quest 2 but like my Quest 3 better than my Pico4, the optics in the Q3 are unreal, edge to edge clarity but I get binocular overlap when looking to the extreme sides of the display with my eyes in the Q3, I don't get that in the Pico4 but do get blur at the outer edge of the optics. Agreed, the extra grunt of the XR2 Gen2 of the Q3 makes it work so much better for PCVR, much less noticeable compression than the Pico4 or Q2. The other thing I really like about the Pico4 is the OS, more like a plain jane Android OS with all the menu features, not stuck using a closed OS like meta, meta is a pain in the butt with that BS phone app to do certain functions to the Quest HMDs, like time change (Had to do this with my Wife's Q2, time was messed up) and even a factory reset needs the phone app, the Pico4 has all this in the HMD's menus. Pico does have a phone app but you don't need to use it to setup your Pico4 or to do other crucial functions, meta just likes making life as complicated and annoying as possible.
Thanks! I have pico 4 and was wondering if it was worth quest 3, although i was already thinking for pcvr they have similar performance. I think I'll stay on pico 4, that's fine for me
Pico 4 is half the price, its hard to argue if your solely using PCVR and 3D Stereoscopic gaming, any game these days can be turned into 3D and viewed on Steam big cinema experience, its awesome, think nVidia 3D Vision, but far more immersive. Non the less, Quest 3 can do all of this, and more but you are also locked into Meta and you need Meta account, its also twice as expensive even on the used market, its a hard buy if all you do is sit on your PC to play stuff.
@@xidiffi pico 4 has better fov, better overlap, better ergonomics, better autonomy and even less SDE than quest 3 so what are you talking about?, get out of here troll
@tyrielwood - when you show the racing game, when you are showing the cars moving, the pico cars appear to be moving at full framerate with no motion blur. But when you show the cars moving on Quest, they appear to be moving at half framerate and there is motion blur. Can you speak to why the motion of the cars on Quest appears to be substantially worse in your video than the pico? Is it something about your recording framerate?
It's actually because of the camera shuttering speed, unfortunately every screen reacts differently to the camera, but motion in reality it's actually the same
@@Tyrielwood Maybe you should set it manually to the same value to have better comparison ? Because when I saw this, I though the Pico 4 have better brightness at first (in general lower brightness means lower shutter speed) Maybe screen refresh was causing problems on video but yeah there is a massive difference between the two, like 1/10 and 1/60, and lower shutters speed means more light captured so it can affect the image in different ways
TO ALL: Please help me understand! - For Sim Racing PCVR only - I love my HPG2 but looking for the next headset. will I get better performance, clarity, battery life, etc. If I used a wire connection instead of streaming? Here are my thoughts - Im concerned about the limitations of streaming. I don't care much about wireless, but I care about battery life, as well as how hard will it be to replace the battery in the Q3 vs. P4 (Q2 battery replacement is a PITA). I care about the balanced weight the P4 brings to the table, but the 120hz from the Q3 is a big deal. Thanks
Thanks for this. Man it's close. Sometimes the Pico 4 looks sharper and sometimes the Q3 does, but it's always a slight difference and I would attribute it to different aliasing artifacting because of the different screen angles. Freeze at 4:26 - it looks like the render resolution is lower on Pico 4 but godlike VD should be higher on the Pico than the Q3. The rectangle has aliasing that is mugh larger than the panel resolution. Is it just an example of the aliasing from the diagonal panels on the Q3 happening to be better for horizontal lines again while Pico will have less aliasing on diagonal lines?
@@tahustvedt It is relevant because you may be putting too much faith in these shot at 4:26. If they don't even show the large brightness difference between the headsets then, how accurate are they really?
I just got the Quest 3. Maybe I'm just really picky but I still have trouble getting my image clear. I feel UA-camrs have really over hyped IQ on it. Not to mention being very uncomfortable with it on my head. It's heavier than quest 2 to a fault. Maybe I'm just adjusting to VR after not using my Quest 2 in almost 2 years. I guess I just expected almost flat monitor clarity with new VR headsets and what I'm seeing is far from it. Still very cool and immersive as hell, but to my eye there's still something not satisfying about the image quality. It's entirely possible I need to tinker with some more settings but it's all max resolution. Overall for me it's still a tinker toy to take a break from flat screen gaming but nothing I'd consider a serious gaming device. Unless you like image quality that looks like it's been smeared with Vaseline.
Nice comparison, thank for sharing this mate. I don't have a Pico 4 because they still do not ship to Australia. For PCVR it looks to me that while the Q3 fairs a little better due to its better screens/lens/chip, the Pico 4 still seems to do a very good job. So, maybe not a must-have upgrade for Pico 4 PCVR users imho. I do have a Q3 with Elite battery strap (fortunately one of the good ones) and I'm loving this headset, mainly for standalone VR/MR, but also as a backup to my QPro/rtx4090 for PCVR. I still think that my QPro still does a better job with PCVR because it has even better colors, plus local dimming. It would be interesting to see a through the lens Q3/QPro comparison. Thanks again for your vids and best cheers from Australia.
@@el_taiito5492 Ya, I remember that but it was mostly a passthrough comparison, not like this latest one. I think a similar one to this one with just the Q3 and QPro would be useful.
Blacks i cant agree at all are better on Q3. Pico 4 wins big on blacks and contrast in dark scenes. abe game at the end black on white and also elite dangerous starry sky shows MUCH denser black on p4 + much higher contrast on the orange on black display. Quest 3 is brighter for sure but also over tinted in blue which can be seen both in whites and blacks (and Pico slightly on green and red). Checked on LG oled in dark room so its not my TV :) Would love to see comparison on Pico neo 3 link on DP vs quest 3. PN3L is MUCH brighter than P4 and of course and more details on cable (even if resolution is lower). I havent tried q3 yet but i do prefer my PN3L over my P4 in more vivid games as colours pop more partly due to the higher brightness (that is helped by non pancake lenses that eats a lot of light)
From you video I can tell if you already have a Pico 4 then there is not much reason to upgrade to a quest 3. The difference although better was a very little difference in my opinion
Standalone games are better on Quest 3. You can say you dont need them but as soon as you try one, you will love it. Not to mention latest AAA games, they are game changers.
@@randyx007 You kind of right, kind of. Buying Pico 4 you limit yourself exclusively to PCVR while buying Q3 you are limitless. I would rather buy Q3 via monthly instalments on amazon than limit myself with half price Pico 4. But this is just me...
@@ThePawel36 should of been more clear, i ment if you already have one from the video i didnt see a big differnce to consider upgrading. are you guys really spending 400+ every 2-4 years for and upgrade. I could see doing that once vr headsets get to the point of replacing phones and pcs completely. But one thing i am looking forward to is vaules new headset their is talk about them combining the steam deck and a vr headset. now that would really change the game.
0:11 I think so too! I'm deciding for at least 3 weeks what to buy, Pico 4 ultra or Meta quest 3...and it would be much easier for me to decide, if you'd make a video like this for mentioned VR glasses... THANK YOU!!!!
I had the Pico 4 and now the Quest 3. They're very similar, as this demonstration proves. For standalone, nothing beats the Quest, but for PCVR, the Pico 4 is a real bargain.
With the MQ2, I was annoyed at how I cant turn off the headset audio positioning from invading/over-riding my PC's audio settings when using a 5.1 channel external speakers system when using AMS2 for sim-racing. I am holding back for a less invasive headset/software combination that doesn't take over my preferred PC audio settings. Software/drivers implementation is a big factor for me deciding which headset is suitable with PC VR.
To me Elite Dangerous looked better on Pico 4 but much smaller text is readable in Quest 3. So it appears Quest 3 is sharper but also sometimes Pico's text looks better (large text), so idk what is better. Bowth are good for shure.
The PICO 4 looks equally as well as the Q3, to me. Looking at the through the lens comparisons, I noticed that there are different angles each shot or recording, which even with the slightest variations can change the look, and quality a lot, so as I watch what I began to look for was not so much how much better one was than the other, but instead, is the quality of what I'm shown of the PICO, worth the money (would I buy it for $500.00?!)!? The answer is yes, for sure. So far, to me it seems to be the smartest purchase option. But,... A few questions remain,... Looking to get an PICO 4 in the USA. Anyone have any problems with shipping and receiving the PICO 4 from UK, to the USA? Also was there any issues with power plug adapter conversion, from UK to USA standards? Thanks in advance.
U forgot to mention the screen lag with the quest. Try watching the F1 video again u know what I mean. The refresh rate on the Pico is better I think in ur video.
@@natedewage9856 Yeah he says in the comments that there were some problems due to the visible screen refresh on the video, I think he lowered the shutter speed to avoid this, the Q3 screens just cannot be so bad lol, he said the motion in reality is the same
Pico 4 is my first VR..My concern is the FOV is very small and edges are blurred…I was hoping a very wide view while watching a 360 video but due to small fov it looks like I’m using a 5$ phone vr…
For standalone go Quest 3, especially if you already own games from Meta Store. (Also if you have the budget) For PCVR, Pico 4 is a great headset that will not let you down and will also spare quite some bucks on your wallet. You don't have to add much more accessories to make it more comfortable (other than maybe a face gasket), and the battery is just waaaay more efficient than Q3. The downsides are... well... it's hard to buy and import, not every standalone content is there, or it takes longer for devs to optimize it / troubleshooting it or even release it. It might not be that future proof, sadly. It was a HMD way ahead of its time, but now with Q3 the market shares are taken by Meta by a storm, even as I said previously, the P4 is a great headset overall.
Quest 3 for £479 or Pico 4 for £259? Would appreciate your advice - visual clarity is more important for me than MR. Appreciate Quest will be better but is it worth almost double the price? Thanks.
Can anyone tell me, why does the motion blur so much worse in the quest 3? Looking the formula 1 footage, you can clearly see how better motion looks on the pico 4. Is it down to hardware or the video creator setting he uses? I was about to purchase the quest 3, but seeing this video made me question myself.
also you can change pico streaming assistant .ini file settings and make image quality noticeably clearer then they are in the video, idk if you can do that with quest 3 though
Whatever you have shown in the video is like 180 degree view…All I can see from the lenses is small FOV like a small circle where I see the content…I don’t understand if I have a faulty headset please reply…
I agree with you that the Quest 3 overall looks a little better than the Pico 4. The main thng is the Pico 4 is not sold in te US. It is a China thing. So that said, Still investigating the Quest 3 and watching allot of videos about it. Thanks for your video comparisons.
Just one update. I now own the Quest 3 - Great graphic visuals and nice wide sweet spot. Replaces my Rift S which i still keep as a backup. Well I don't care what happens to or how good the Pico products are, if they don't want to distribute/sell their products in the US, They can go Pound Sand. Doesn't bother me in the least bit.
For a headset that is ~200 less, a year older, than the overhyped Quest3 and you don't need to buy an extra 'Elite Strap' to use it, it's not bad. Not to forget the Q3 128GB-version is a joke when more games come with higher res. textures than the mostly low res Q2-games yet. There is no 256GB version for the Q3, because Zuck wants to make gross revenue with an expensive 512GB version. Not a big draw with the Q3, sadly. Too bad that the Bytedance Chinese clever-CEOs flunked the US congress 'Tiktok'-hearing, so Pico could not made it to US and has too low sold rates because of that, even more with their bad crisis management now.
It was the most requested, so here we are! I hope you enjoy it! :)
They were really so very similar that I actually couldn't say which one had better visuals. But for me... I bought the Quest 3 (and love it) over the Pico 4 because the Pico doesn't support my IPD of 60. As I understand, the settings on the PICO 4 goes down to 58 but the lenses stop moving at 62. That wouldn't work for me.
@@ThomasOhm-fx2hlThe Pico 4 can get smaller IPD than 62, agreed, it stops at 62, then there's a onscreen over ride button you can press to go lower than 62, I've tried this with my Pico4 and I could feels the lenses moving below 62. :)
Can you do a cv1 to quest 3 comparison? It would be cool to have a "through the lens : cross generation edition" to see how far we've come, in one video.
I miss essential information in your comparisons - this is - connection method - cable/wifi? program - pico or VD? oculus link, airlink or VD? What bitrate, what resolution? At a time when we can connect in different ways and each provides a different experience, this is essential information. Especially since the VD pico can do much more than the org soft pico
Pico 4 cannot be beaten for comfort. The balance is superb. I bought the Quest 3 because the lens clarity is awesome, but I would swap it for a Pico-5 in an instant if it came out.
Yup you get an upgraded facial interface and it is so much more well balanced and lighter it is freaking amazing. I have OCD with comfort and when it comes to these two hmds, pico 4 is so much better for pcvr.
@@randyx007 Totally agree. I had the AMVR halo type interface and it was so comfortable. I miss it dearly. 😢
I think it depends on your head honestly. I absolutely hate the standard pico-4 face mask, and even with a third party one, I am not particularly happy.
@@tosvusI don't use a face mask, tbh. I have a halo-like strap and use it kind of like a Quest Pro. Plenty of air flow and the side being open doesn't bother me.
they canceld the Pico 5
Thanks Man! Really appreciate it. As I expected, the difference between my Pico 4 and the Q3 is really not that much - go PICO!!!
I dont know man! I have both. The lens clarity is prety huge IMO.
@@joelfogelman4156 🤡🤡🤡
Not even close Bytedance CCP
I love my pico4. It was $100 cheaper, $250 if you get a better strap for the Q3, and it is lighter/balanced better with a stock ridged strap (battery in the rear). All the Pico 4 needs is an upgraded face cushion and you are ready to rock.
For pcvr Pico 4, for standalone crappy VR, Quest 3 is better.
I also have a Vive, Vive Pro w/wifi, Quest 2, Quest 3 (returned), and index. Pico 4 is my favorite out of them all especially for comfort.
Great video Tyriel, I've been looking forward to this! I bought the Pico 4 when it released because I was interested in the new lenses compared to my Q2. I quickly sold my Q2 and used my Pico 4 as my main driver, and when the Q3 was announced I quickly realised PCVR gaming would be more or less the same on both headsets. This video shows it perfectly. A few bumps up in most areas, but not enough to justify an "upgrade" if you're only playing PCVR.
Also, I think it's amazing how far the tech has come in so few years. I remember watching the Assetto Corsa comparison where the cars would quickly become blurs or blobs of pixels in the distance. Now you can actually see them well. Either way you look at it, both headsets are great. And the Pico 4 is a steal for what you get, and especially what you get out of the box.
Crossing my fingers for an upgraded Pico 5 with eye tracking and foveated rendering next year! Stay safe everyone!
I have both Pico 4 and Quest 3 and the visuals are clearly better on the Quest 3. I don't know why the pancake lenses on the pico 4 are so blurry. On the Quest, it's sharp, regardless where you are looking at.
Looks like Pico 5 was cancelled and they're going more high-end to compete with Apples Vision HMD.
@tyrvintersol916 my pico 4 is anything but blurry, sound like a defective unit.
@@tyrvintersol916 It seems that you have a defective pico 4 unit, the headset is poorly adjusted or the ipd is incorrectly adjusted, my pico 4 is sharp almost in the corner. Personally, I had the opportunity to try quest 3 and I barely noticed a 10% improvement in sharpness but it is not something that is very noticeable,What you notice right away is the worst vertical/diagonal fov and the worst overlap that quest 3 has
Yeah, besides the increased XR2 gen 2 chip speed the upgrade doesn't seem justifiable to me. I'll keep my Pico 4 until the next gen headset.
I own both and i can say:
- Pico4 is much balanced on your head!
- Tracking is better on Pico4 (still halo rings, way less errors and quicker), Q3 is still "beta" in tracking with small chance for some fails or dropouts.
- Pico4 may older, price is much lower and overall still good headset.
- Pico4 is also less power hungry, last longer on batteries.
You will go for Quest 3:
- if your want try out AR side
- if you hate halo rings and want lightweight controllers
- if you have many quest games in store
- more future proof side
For PCVR use, both are good (Q3 can do a bit more with new gen cpu) so no shame to get Pico 4. Don't forget buy better facial interface from AMVR and it's comfy headset.
Quest 2 is also not bad, but sweet spot is much smaller and FOV is bit smaller. That is only difference. IPD setting on Q2 is also limited. But Q2 is also not bad one because you can get it much cheaper on used markets. Good for the starters with low budget.
i also own both and i completely switched to Quest 3 because of the better displays and visuals as well as better ASW for PCVR, which i use in some games. But the Pico 4 is by far the most comfortable headset if you are using the AMVR facial interface. Even with the AMVR for Quest 3 and additional modding it's not that comfortable as the Pico 4.
buying from meta is always not future proof
Question for you - For Sim Racing PCVR - will you get better performance, clarity, battery life, etc. If you used a wire connection instead of streaming?
do you notice a difference in sports games due to the 120 hz vs 90 hz?
@@disarstar9179yes, for me playing First Person Tennis in 120Hz is like night and day compared to 90Hz. After playing in 120Hz for a while 90Hz almost feels like a Charlie Chaplin movie to me. This is similar to ELEVEN table Tennis, but the movement in Tennis seems to need as more fps as possible. I can play other games like No Man's Sky even at 72Hz with frame interpolation.
I'm enjoying my Quest 3 a lot. This is an interesting comparison because depending on what's being displayed, they look to trade which one looks best. You probably can't go wrong with either the Pico 4 or Q3. It's down to the ecosystem and software.
ive spent hundreds of hours with both at this point, and some stuff to be noted: quest 3 has better colors than the pico 4 by far, and if you have a nose bridge that sticks out even a little bit or you want to get closer to the lenses with the pico 4 get ready for inbetween the lenses for the pico 4 to hit your nose all the time. it also doesnt look near as good on pcvr because of compression, pico 4 only does wifi 5 not 6e
still hasitating. only tried ps5vr2 so far and i could see SDE there, but it wasnt to a point that it annoyed me, yet i wished for it to be less noticeable or gone complety, because the way i percive it, its a big neon sign spelling "its just a game". and iam kinda afraid, that the quest 3 is even worse in that department, due to the crystal clear lenses @@feather9658
It is the new vr standard but the Pico 4 is lighter and balanced better with a stock ridged strap with the batter in the back. For pcvr Pico 4 is better but for standalone Q3 is better.
@@randyx007 Okay now I'm convinced you didn't even watch the video. Maybe you should watch it first before jumping to the comment section
@@LunchAndVR I always watch his videos to completion. Besides colors being slightly lighter on the Q3, the Pico is great. So is the Quest but Facebook is out of touch and I don't expect them to really nail vr down because all they want is the meta verse. They don't make practical decisions like adding in eye tracking or shipping the q3 with a ridged head strap for better balance and comfort. They added shitty mixed reality that is a lame gimmick though so you have to pay $100 to $250 more than the p4 (q3 with a new strap is 250+ more) and I feel bad for people who do waste their money on it.
I really want to see Quest 1 vs Quest 3. OLED low res, vs non-OLED higher res and better lenses. Bonus points if you can catch the god-rays of the Quest 1 or the Blur-flare of the Quest 3 in low light environments with bright objects such as BigScreenVR.
Q3 is a big improvement over q1,I'd never use my q1 again
Yes if you find a video like this please send a link
Oled would be bigscreen beyond to be fair.
@@anahata8870 Obviously the Bigscreen Beyond will be far better than these. Nothing beats OLED.
Nah man. I used both and i would take worse contrast over countable, roundish pixels with bad resolution anyday. Quest 3 is magic.
I do love your videos, you are the best at doing screen comparisons. I also like your others of course, but in this area you own it. Thanks as always.
I have both and actually prefer watching movies on the P4. I do not notice the screen door as much and the headset is way more comfortable, compared to the Q3 with Elite battery strap. Games though are better on the Q3, but I only play standalone games. Added: I have an aftermarket face/gasket cover, since the one on the P4 sucks. The Q3 one sucks too, but not as bad as the P4 one does. Q3 is more front heavy, in spite of the battery strap.
I have also both of them and Pico 4 is a little too dim to watch movies comfortably. In the dark scenes it is very hard to see details even if brightness is set to max. Quest 3 is better in almost every aspect accept battery life. Pico 4 can compete and win with Quest 2 when it comes to visuals but Quest 3 is out of reach for it.
I personally own Q2,3 and regularly use P3,4 at work. The P4 is the most comfortable headset, no doubt. Screen/Graphics quality: I would rank Q3, P4, Q2, P3. I've not played games on P4 since it's only at my office. I have P3 at home, and the games look the same as Q2. I've only tried Eleven Table Tennis and Contractors till now. I'm not gonna try more since I use PCVR, PSVR2, Quest, and Pico, so it doesn't make sense for my wallet to buy the same games on all platforms.
Agreed, Pico 4 is more comfortable with an upgraded face gasket. It is also lighter and more balanced. For PCVR it is way better.
@@ThePawel36get out of here troll go talk nonsense somewhere else
@@randyx007totally in addition to having an almost perfect overlap and a wider diagonal and vertical fov than quest 3, quest 3 does not make sense for pcvr with pico 4 existing, in fact changing from pico 4 to quest 3 is a downgrade in the aspects that I mentioned above
BEST VR COMPARE CHANNEL ! Through the lenses is one possible real test what you can see with your own eye. And this guy shows everythink what we need to understand what we rally will se after buying.
Q3 has the edge, but not enough diff if you already own the Pico4.
@@benson5967tbh idk why people make battery life such a big deal. You can just buy a power bank pretty cheap that will keep it charged my power bank last 8 hours no one plays for 8 hours plus like I do. And it's not really a must on headstrap for everyone I still use the headstrap
but not in terms of color
i dont really see that edge but we should really be comparing the quest 3 to the pico 4 enterprise.
and i am already thinking about importanting the pico 4 e and this video solidified that thought at the part with that racing game, also has anyone real thought of vr photography with a real camera, that racing game had me thinking it was irl on both (pico more so tho)
test pico 4 with pico connect, editing the app.asar for right settings (godlike settings similar to virtual desktop), it is much sharper than VD. i mean, a lot, also less latency, and you can control contrast/brightness/white levels through app.asar also.
what?! how this even possible, but thanks for idea
Nice one Ty! Very interesting mixed results, but I am happy with my Quest 3. However, I am not 100% with effect the rotated screens on sharp edges.
Not to forget the binocular overlap. Pico 4 has nearly 100% bin. overlap, Quest 3 max. 70%. That means a clearly better stereoscopic (3D) sight with the Pico. But that it's not the theme of this type of videos, of course. The far more warmer picture of the Pico makes it more pleasant for Videos and Movies. All other content the Quest 3 shows better. Sadly the comfort of Quest 3, even with battery elite strap, is way behind the Pico 4. This means better balance and wider gasket due to the larger lenses.
what's the binocular overlap ? I don't get it
For the Quest 3 you have a slider to get a warmer color temperature (called something like night mode) I'm always using it with my Quest 2
@@el_taiito5492binocular overlap means how much your right eye can see what your left eye can ,and vice versa, to put it simply. In pico 4 it’s basically perfect, but I kinda don’t notice it, some people are pretty sensitive to it tho’
I have done everything to make the Pico4 more comfortable, and even on my 3rd 3rd-party accessory, while much better, I don't find it great. I'm pretty sure I can get far better choices for 3rd party accessories for the Quest 3 in due time, so I'm hoping it will be more comfortable. Besides, my Pico4 lenses fog up the first 10 minutes or so, and are fairly picky about how you place the headset to get a sharp image in my view. I don't like the optics, you get a weird wobbly effect if you scan around the picture. (Try looking around at the mountains in the pico4 "menu" environment.). Glare is also a pretty major issue in my book. That said, when in the right game where it is not too dark or too bright, my headset has warmed up, it does offer a very detailed and clear picture.
@@tosvus Try the AMVR gasket for Pico, it's ventilated and nice thin. No fog with it for me, even with LesMills.
@@brucerain2106 Yes, it's like binoculars. In the extreme you can see two separated images, or one merged. Quest 3 is a cross for me. Only in the center 3D. Perhaps depends on IPD.
5:53 Bonelabs looks very different than I remember.. 😝
Small editing error here. It was actually DCS.
Great video. Love both headsets, not much between them really. Q3 probably slightly ahead but somewhat more expensive. I will keep my Pico 4, but am buying a Quest 3 for my daughter for Christmas
Funny thing, I returned my Quest 3 because of a couple fundamental issues. Lack of cameras on top of the HMD means less over-head controller tracking which I actually need for dancing. It also means the headset and controllers lose tracking more often because it's not using the ceiling as a tracking surface and sees less light despite my room being brightly lit. However, the Pico 4 seems to have the right fundamentals to be a better and more reliable VR headset by combining the best of the Quest 2 and Quest 3.
I resolved this by getting the pro controllers for the quest 3, it gives me full motion tracking and it comes with charging stand !
However it is expensive....😅
Cool! I've been waiting for this comparison from you! Thank you!
Great tune in background. Thumbs up!
Always the BEST thru the lens comparisons! 😎
the only comparison that matters to me actually
@@reggaesurvivor251 Easier to see sharpness & contrast for ourselves 💪
I personally had the opportunity to try 2 units of quest 3 and I hate that they seemed like a mediocre headset for the price at which it is sold, the overlap is terrible, the diagonal fov is terrible,they have light pollution and mura the same as in pico 4 and I even noticed the lenses of my pico 4 were sharper at the sides of lenses, I can say that quest 3 is not a headset that I would recommend if your use case is pcvr, there is pico 4 that provides you with better things at a visual level such as the overlap, which is practically a perfect oval without deformations and they have a wider fov vertically and diagonally and it is quite noticeable
honest and real comment. there are sales teams praising quest 3. pico 4 has no difference from Q3 in terms of lens quality, in fact it is better.
I love how the music is just going ham through out all of this!
9:53 You have misfocused on Pico4, you cant see the pixels. While on Quest3 you can see the pixel grid. On alot of these tests, you have just poor focusing.
Always great videos and comparisons, love your work!
I would be beneficial for all if you detail the streaming codec and bitrate used for the footage since it is the most determining factor for the quality of the image. By the way, I like the music you used.
Can we have a through the lenses between Quest 3 and HP Reverb G2 ?
We need a comparison with the Reverb G2 and the Quest 3 through the lenses!
I watched this video on a 85 inch color calibrated tv. I was expecting a bigger difference in favor of the quest 3. Heard so much about the lenses. But on some of these tests the Pico 4 seemed better. And actually the screen door seems more noticeable on the Quest 3.
Btw - the white balance/color balance on the Quest 3was way too cold/blue!
Was this because of different camera settings when you were filming, Tyriel?
In Norway the Pico 4 is half the price of the Quest. So for PCVR no reason to go for Quest 3 if this video is correct.
Still considering Quest 3 for stand alone experiences because of newer cpu/gpu solution on the Quest :)
The headsets are alot different then in this video pico doesn't have a giant sweet spot like the quest 3 which the entire lens is its sweet spot
I just got a PIco 4 to replace my Rift S and Quest. I hated my Quest and it spent more time collecting dust then used even after I spent 150.00 to make it comfortable. The Rift S I have I liked and was still using it till my Pico 4 came in last week. If DPVR E4 had manual IPD adjustment, two displays and pancake lenses I would have purchased that instead as I mainly PC VR. But I have to say, it's nice not having any cables on the Pico 4 while pc gaming.
I have Pico 4 since for 4 months and I never used virtual desktop, I didn't even purchase that app. SteamVR works like charm always, without any issue.
Are you using factory Pico streaming assistant?? Nothing can beat VD if you connect Pico to PC. Difference is shocking. (At least with a 4070.)
@@szabolcscsengoi4231Yep, using the native Streaming Assistant on my both PCs. I have a perfectly smooth connection and gameplay with 3090 and 7900 XTX GPUs. I don't need to invest to another app to do the same job at this point.
Factory Pico Streaming Assistant, yes. I use on 3090 and 7900 XTX and performance is satisfying so far.
@@egolgeli Try VD if you have the possibility....
@@szabolcscsengoi4231 I will try but need a reason if I have any issue with Pico Connect.
Did i noticed some ghosting in the Asserto corsa on the quest 3?!!
Refresh rate with camera..not in real use
something not mentioned and also hard to be picked up by through the lens footage is, the color vibrancy, although both are not OLED, both are using LCD, but Quest 3 LCD seems better quality as colors look better while Pico 4 colors look faded when compared back to back
Pico4 is very close yet so much cheaper. I'm on Q3 but this makes me believe Pico5 will be the real gamechanger for a similar price as Q3.
got cancelled today. this happens when ppl support only quest. As a vr community we have to support all kind of vr headsets! fak meta monopoly
@@BobInGreek I did buy a Pico4 but the lenses were distorted so I returned it for a Quest3 which is perfect, they've kinda earned their monopoly. Disappointing if they really have cancelled 5.
@@Verociity quest 3 had many defects also
@@BobInGreek of course, but it's still a great, great headset for price.
@@Verociity true my friend 😌 have a great weekend
Not critical difference. thanks, man! recently ordered Pico 4 Pro as it also has eye tracking and still much cheaper then quest 3 with almost seminar PCVR experience...
Pico was discontinued. Good luck getting anything updated on that crap
Hey i have Both Headsets:
Q3 and Pico4 on PC
-Main Area very small difference in Clarity. Colors are preference.
-Q3 is sharper at the edges
-PICO Charges When Powerbank is pluged while playing. Q3 discharges whats Bad at longer playtime
Thats my conclusion
Greetings
Do you get lower Performance ik pcvr on quest 3 than pico4 ?
@@emrah7921 hey Performance on Pico was a little bit better because the lower resolution
@@tywex82 oh alright,i have a rx6800 does it fit well with an rx6800 ?
@@emrah7921 Regarding your graphics card, I can tell you that it will be completely sufficient for the absolute majority of VR games. Since the majority of VR games are almost exclusively developed for standalone headsets, the PC requirements are relatively low. Of course, if you want to play regular PC games with VR mods (UEVR, Luke Ross, etc.), then this could be a tight squeeze for newer titles. My recommendation would be if you only want to play VR on PC. Newer titles that are modded and so on. Then it might make more sense to invest in a new graphics card and buy a cheaper VR headset (Pico 4) first..
In principle, however, I would definitely recommend the Quest 3, as it is much more future-proof both technically and in terms of support! In the meantime, for example, there are many exclusive titles for the Quest that aren't even coming out on PC. In the long term, it could be that you can simply skip the PC and enjoy the games directly on the glasses.
So if you're faced with the decision to buy and can afford the higher purchase price, the Q3 is definitely the way to go.
@@tywex82 thank you really mutch,your comment helped me !
Yeah i think i will go to a quest 3😁
Are going to do a Quest Pro, Quest 3 and Bigscreen Beyond comparison? I would love to see how these headsets compare.
I've owned a few Cv1's, 2 quest 1s and a rift s and just got the pico 4 and the image quality blew me away when I first put the headset on, the built in fan to cool the headset is a must, they have them in all fpv headsets but never seen them in VR before which is weird. Like all standalone VR headsets the image clarity is never that good even with the pico 4 having 2160x2160 a lot of games are still a little fuzzy but for PCVR I tried rec room on the headset and rec room on steam and PCVR wins as always... But I would highly recommend the pico 4 over any similar meta quest product
I have both, it really is a very close call for pure visual quality. The Pico 4 is sharper and has infinitely better binocular overlap, but the Quest 3 has less (but not zero) glare and reflection. If you already have a Pico 4 and mostly use it for PCVR, the Q3 is definitely not a big upgrade. For standalone and MR use, of course, it's not even a contest, the Q3 obliterates the Pico.
Weird, quest 3 looks sharper on this video
I have both and the Quest3 looks sharper, better colors, better lenses etc.. The Quest3 can do everything a little bit better than the Pico4. Like in this video... But it's worth it as the Quest3 is easier on your eyes
In this comparison the Quest 3 is definitely sharper. There's small text that you can read on the Quest 3 that you can't on the Pico 4. It's not a massive difference, but the Quest 3 always looked sharper to me.
@@HaefOne Easier on the eyes? Can you explain?
For Use Case "3D 180° videos", which does one of them have a clear edge over the other?
Great video as always. How does the FOV compare?
Pico 4 has some great advantages you did not mention. some of it's advantages are: motorized IPD adjustment, more battery life, battery is on the back so it's weight is more balanced on the head and more comfortable, better quality rigid head strap with a dial knob to easily and quickly adjust to different head sizes. I feel like quest 3 is a little bit downgrade compare to Pico 4 for PCVR usage.
Thanks so much for on- and ongoing efford!!
Speaking of diagonal lines, this varies a lot from device to device. When I first purchased it, I received a product with very visible diagonal lines, but after exchanging the device through RMA, I received a product with barely visible diagonal lines.
bought used PICO 4 for $250... Can't be happier without going Crystal or Varjo, possibly VR1 from Somnium VR. I don't see the benefit for PCVR given the huge cost. If I end up $500+ $100 Strap and tax shipping etc, Put that $700 toward a significantly better choice.
As someone who has owned both HMD's, I can say for me it's no contest, the Quest 3 was miles better in clarity. The Pico 4 wasn't much different in the center but the lenses distorted and introduced pupil swim out near the edges. All that warping gave me a headache until I got used to it after a month. But I had no issues with the Quest 3, and the optical clarity is amazing.
Yeah lot of warping on my Pico 4 too, went through two of them. Low quality lenses.
@benson5967 power bank just buy a power bank... it shouldn't matter if it's low battery life just toss a power bank on then good to go. I can play 8 hours with my power bank. Overall before dipping into my headset battery
Thanks for the on hands info.
I have the Pico4 and Quest 3, I like my Pico4 better than my Quest 2 but like my Quest 3 better than my Pico4, the optics in the Q3 are unreal, edge to edge clarity but I get binocular overlap when looking to the extreme sides of the display with my eyes in the Q3, I don't get that in the Pico4 but do get blur at the outer edge of the optics. Agreed, the extra grunt of the XR2 Gen2 of the Q3 makes it work so much better for PCVR, much less noticeable compression than the Pico4 or Q2.
The other thing I really like about the Pico4 is the OS, more like a plain jane Android OS with all the menu features, not stuck using a closed OS like meta, meta is a pain in the butt with that BS phone app to do certain functions to the Quest HMDs, like time change (Had to do this with my Wife's Q2, time was messed up) and even a factory reset needs the phone app, the Pico4 has all this in the HMD's menus. Pico does have a phone app but you don't need to use it to setup your Pico4 or to do other crucial functions, meta just likes making life as complicated and annoying as possible.
Thanks! I have pico 4 and was wondering if it was worth quest 3, although i was already thinking for pcvr they have similar performance. I think I'll stay on pico 4, that's fine for me
I have the q3 ... and honestly I would not mind trading it for a pico
Shame they removed the display port on the pico 4, would've been the best under 500 pcvr headset.
Nice video! Would you do a comparison between PSVR 2 and Quest 3 lenses? Thanks 👍🏻
He has a video with the psvr2, Q2, and quest pro. Not perfect but you can get an idea how they compare.
Pico 4 blacks are better even the colors
Binocular overlap is much worse on Q3 though.
It's shit literally worse than even quest 2 overlap
Pico 4 is half the price, its hard to argue if your solely using PCVR and 3D Stereoscopic gaming, any game these days can be turned into 3D and viewed on Steam big cinema experience, its awesome, think nVidia 3D Vision, but far more immersive.
Non the less, Quest 3 can do all of this, and more but you are also locked into Meta and you need Meta account, its also twice as expensive even on the used market, its a hard buy if all you do is sit on your PC to play stuff.
Colour volume and colour temp looks better and more natural on the Pico. Also, white looks more naturally white.
thank you was waiting for this video before considering Quest 3. I have a Pico 4 and all other legacy headsets.
Fly MSFS with a 4090, went from G2 to Quest 3 and love it, and it’s only going to get better through future updates
It's really hard to make comparsions as the resolution increases. The camera can't show anymore how sharp these headsets look from the inside.
Were they tested with the same render resolution in PCVR?
pico is definitely more vibrant, but i’d pick the quest 3 any day because of the clarity, it’s unmatched
Going off this video alone, the Pico 4 looks better. Deeper blacks, warmer color and less aliasing.
Which is the clearest fr watching movies and playing flat vr games on a big curved screen at quite close distances .
For pcvr pico!
I totally agree with you, pico 4 is better than quest 3 for pcvr
if you want to save money yes but specs no
@@xidiffi pico 4 has better fov, better overlap, better ergonomics, better autonomy and even less SDE than quest 3 so what are you talking about?, get out of here troll
@@TheSpookyOficial bro is on to absoluttly nothing
@@xidiffi Have you tried both headsets? If you haven't, I invite you to do so before repeating what the meta data or youtubers say lol
Great video, thanks a lot!
@tyrielwood - when you show the racing game, when you are showing the cars moving, the pico cars appear to be moving at full framerate with no motion blur. But when you show the cars moving on Quest, they appear to be moving at half framerate and there is motion blur. Can you speak to why the motion of the cars on Quest appears to be substantially worse in your video than the pico? Is it something about your recording framerate?
It's actually because of the camera shuttering speed, unfortunately every screen reacts differently to the camera, but motion in reality it's actually the same
@@Tyrielwood Maybe you should set it manually to the same value to have better comparison ? Because when I saw this, I though the Pico 4 have better brightness at first (in general lower brightness means lower shutter speed)
Maybe screen refresh was causing problems on video but yeah there is a massive difference between the two, like 1/10 and 1/60, and lower shutters speed means more light captured so it can affect the image in different ways
It looked like ghosting to me on the quest.
Thank you for the hard work!
TO ALL: Please help me understand! - For Sim Racing PCVR only - I love my HPG2 but looking for the next headset. will I get better performance, clarity, battery life, etc. If I used a wire connection instead of streaming?
Here are my thoughts - Im concerned about the limitations of streaming. I don't care much about wireless, but I care about battery life, as well as how hard will it be to replace the battery in the Q3 vs. P4 (Q2 battery replacement is a PITA). I care about the balanced weight the P4 brings to the table, but the 120hz from the Q3 is a big deal. Thanks
7th! Long waiting comparison! Support! This is the true value pancake lens headsets comparison that we are waiting for.
How do the passthrough’s compare? Really helpful for anyone interested in flight sims, reading checklists, ipads, charts
love the new above-below split screen
Many Thanks. I guess I will stay with my Pico4 not worth to change it yet .
Thanks for this. Man it's close. Sometimes the Pico 4 looks sharper and sometimes the Q3 does, but it's always a slight difference and I would attribute it to different aliasing artifacting because of the different screen angles.
Freeze at 4:26 - it looks like the render resolution is lower on Pico 4 but godlike VD should be higher on the Pico than the Q3. The rectangle has aliasing that is mugh larger than the panel resolution. Is it just an example of the aliasing from the diagonal panels on the Q3 happening to be better for horizontal lines again while Pico will have less aliasing on diagonal lines?
Pico 4 is quite a lot dimmer. That's not shown well enough in this comparison.
@@dtz1000 That's somehing that has never been a problem while using it though, and is completely unrelated to my post.
@@tahustvedt It is relevant because you may be putting too much faith in these shot at 4:26. If they don't even show the large brightness difference between the headsets then, how accurate are they really?
@@dtz1000 Clearly I'm taking about something completely independent of brightness. lol
I just got the Quest 3. Maybe I'm just really picky but I still have trouble getting my image clear. I feel UA-camrs have really over hyped IQ on it. Not to mention being very uncomfortable with it on my head. It's heavier than quest 2 to a fault. Maybe I'm just adjusting to VR after not using my Quest 2 in almost 2 years. I guess I just expected almost flat monitor clarity with new VR headsets and what I'm seeing is far from it. Still very cool and immersive as hell, but to my eye there's still something not satisfying about the image quality. It's entirely possible I need to tinker with some more settings but it's all max resolution. Overall for me it's still a tinker toy to take a break from flat screen gaming but nothing I'd consider a serious gaming device. Unless you like image quality that looks like it's been smeared with Vaseline.
Nice comparison, thank for sharing this mate. I don't have a Pico 4 because they still do not ship to Australia. For PCVR it looks to me that while the Q3 fairs a little better due to its better screens/lens/chip, the Pico 4 still seems to do a very good job. So, maybe not a must-have upgrade for Pico 4 PCVR users imho.
I do have a Q3 with Elite battery strap (fortunately one of the good ones) and I'm loving this headset, mainly for standalone VR/MR, but also as a backup to my QPro/rtx4090 for PCVR. I still think that my QPro still does a better job with PCVR because it has even better colors, plus local dimming. It would be interesting to see a through the lens Q3/QPro comparison. Thanks again for your vids and best cheers from Australia.
there is already a video comparison through the lens with Q3 and Qpro (and Q2) ua-cam.com/video/6gd_kEafeR0/v-deo.html
@@el_taiito5492 Ya, I remember that but it was mostly a passthrough comparison, not like this latest one. I think a similar one to this one with just the Q3 and QPro would be useful.
Blacks i cant agree at all are better on Q3. Pico 4 wins big on blacks and contrast in dark scenes. abe game at the end black on white and also elite dangerous starry sky shows MUCH denser black on p4 + much higher contrast on the orange on black display. Quest 3 is brighter for sure but also over tinted in blue which can be seen both in whites and blacks (and Pico slightly on green and red). Checked on LG oled in dark room so its not my TV :)
Would love to see comparison on Pico neo 3 link on DP vs quest 3. PN3L is MUCH brighter than P4 and of course and more details on cable (even if resolution is lower). I havent tried q3 yet but i do prefer my PN3L over my P4 in more vivid games as colours pop more partly due to the higher brightness (that is helped by non pancake lenses that eats a lot of light)
Have u tested each one with its own native resolution? Or u used same res?. That could make one to look sharp while the other look blurry.
From you video I can tell if you already have a Pico 4 then there is not much reason to upgrade to a quest 3. The difference although better was a very little difference in my opinion
Standalone games are better on Quest 3. You can say you dont need them but as soon as you try one, you will love it. Not to mention latest AAA games, they are game changers.
@@ThePawel36 for standalone Q3 is better. For PCVR Pico 4 is better. Costs less and it is so much more ergonomic it isn't funny.
@@randyx007 You kind of right, kind of. Buying Pico 4 you limit yourself exclusively to PCVR while buying Q3 you are limitless. I would rather buy Q3 via monthly instalments on amazon than limit myself with half price Pico 4. But this is just me...
@@ThePawel36 should of been more clear, i ment if you already have one from the video i didnt see a big differnce to consider upgrading. are you guys really spending 400+ every 2-4 years for and upgrade. I could see doing that once vr headsets get to the point of replacing phones and pcs completely. But one thing i am looking forward to is vaules new headset their is talk about them combining the steam deck and a vr headset. now that would really change the game.
it seems to me that theres eye protection enabled in the Pico 4 settings. Thats why the Pictures a little bit yellow right?!?
Well, if you consider the 200€ difference in price, the pick is not that hard.
Please try how Pico 4 ultra! Thanks. It's brighter and higher rendered resolution than quest 3. I want to see it in action.
0:11 I think so too! I'm deciding for at least 3 weeks what to buy, Pico 4 ultra or Meta quest 3...and it would be much easier for me to decide, if you'd make a video like this for mentioned VR glasses... THANK YOU!!!!
I had the Pico 4 and now the Quest 3. They're very similar, as this demonstration proves. For standalone, nothing beats the Quest, but for PCVR, the Pico 4 is a real bargain.
Pico 4 is so much more comfortable with just an upgraded face cushion. Also costs less. Best pcvr for the price for the last year of gaming.
What face cushion did you end up with for the Pico? I am on my 2nd or 3rd and nothing is really great (but better than the standard..)
Curious how the visuals with WiFi 7 on the Ultra Pico 4 will compare to the Quest 3 using 6e?
With the MQ2, I was annoyed at how I cant turn off the headset audio positioning from invading/over-riding my PC's audio settings when using a 5.1 channel external speakers system when using AMS2 for sim-racing. I am holding back for a less invasive headset/software combination that doesn't take over my preferred PC audio settings. Software/drivers implementation is a big factor for me deciding which headset is suitable with PC VR.
@4:32 Did you accidentally swap Pico and Q3 footage here? How is the Q3 all screendoor in this comparison but Pico is in all the others?
It is probably very hard to focus properly and exactly the same on both displays, so I would take ANY comparison with a grain of salt.
The white balance on my Pico 4 is the only thing I dislike about it. It's mostly only noticeable in MS Flight Sim with a lot of vegetation.
To each their own. I prefer the warmer color balance myself.
hmmmm Bomelab looks different these days :D
Oh no, I corrected it, it might have rolled out to an older edited version 😅 well, it's DCs 😅
why should it be so hard to make a headset with oled these days? everyone should have it by now..
To me Elite Dangerous looked better on Pico 4 but much smaller text is readable in Quest 3. So it appears Quest 3 is sharper but also sometimes Pico's text looks better (large text), so idk what is better. Bowth are good for shure.
The PICO 4 looks equally as well as the Q3, to me. Looking at the through the lens comparisons, I noticed that there are different angles each shot or recording, which even with the slightest variations can change the look, and quality a lot, so as I watch what I began to look for was not so much how much better one was than the other, but instead, is the quality of what I'm shown of the PICO, worth the money (would I buy it for $500.00?!)!? The answer is yes, for sure. So far, to me it seems to be the smartest purchase option. But,... A few questions remain,...
Looking to get an PICO 4 in the USA. Anyone have any problems with shipping and receiving the PICO 4 from UK, to the USA? Also was there any issues with power plug adapter conversion, from UK to USA standards?
Thanks in advance.
U forgot to mention the screen lag with the quest. Try watching the F1 video again u know what I mean. The refresh rate on the Pico is better I think in ur video.
Smoothness of motion is the same. It was the camera that caused the stuttering on the Quest 3.
If you say so but I would like to know what @tyrielwood says because I think both of them were shot with the same camera!! Don't you think?
@@natedewage9856 Yeah he says in the comments that there were some problems due to the visible screen refresh on the video, I think he lowered the shutter speed to avoid this, the Q3 screens just cannot be so bad lol, he said the motion in reality is the same
Quest 3 goes up to 120hz, while Pico 4 up to 90hz.
May i ask for your settings in elite dangerous? I have huge troubles with Aliasing when playing and your Aliasing seems to be non existant! 4:30
It is a little better in definition and colors but it is 300 dollars more expensive :D
Pico 4 is my first VR..My concern is the FOV is very small and edges are blurred…I was hoping a very wide view while watching a 360 video but due to small fov it looks like I’m using a 5$ phone vr…
Howcome AC runs much smoother on the pico4 than the quest3? Claritiy is definetly better on the Q3 but why was the cars movement to choppy?
I have a quest 2 and I am considering my next upgrade. Right now the Quest 3 is winning but I am going to wait a little while longer to decide.
For standalone go Quest 3, especially if you already own games from Meta Store. (Also if you have the budget)
For PCVR, Pico 4 is a great headset that will not let you down and will also spare quite some bucks on your wallet. You don't have to add much more accessories to make it more comfortable (other than maybe a face gasket), and the battery is just waaaay more efficient than Q3. The downsides are... well... it's hard to buy and import, not every standalone content is there, or it takes longer for devs to optimize it / troubleshooting it or even release it. It might not be that future proof, sadly. It was a HMD way ahead of its time, but now with Q3 the market shares are taken by Meta by a storm, even as I said previously, the P4 is a great headset overall.
Well questv3 has better display/Resolution so my question is,do i get more worse fps on quest 3 pcvr than pico4 pcvr ?
Quest 3 for £479 or Pico 4 for £259? Would appreciate your advice - visual clarity is more important for me than MR. Appreciate Quest will be better but is it worth almost double the price? Thanks.
If standalone, then q3, if pcvr mostly then pico 4
Can anyone tell me, why does the motion blur so much worse in the quest 3? Looking the formula 1 footage, you can clearly see how better motion looks on the pico 4. Is it down to hardware or the video creator setting he uses? I was about to purchase the quest 3, but seeing this video made me question myself.
the fps seems to be just lower on quest 3 in the video for some reason
also you can change pico streaming assistant .ini file settings and make image quality noticeably clearer then they are in the video, idk if you can do that with quest 3 though
Thankyou so much!
Would be interesting to see meta generational differences starting with oculus rift all the way to quest 3
Can you do quest 1 vs quest 2 vs quest 3? TTL?
ua-cam.com/video/6gd_kEafeR0/v-deo.html
Whatever you have shown in the video is like 180 degree view…All I can see from the lenses is small FOV like a small circle where I see the content…I don’t understand if I have a faulty headset please reply…
I agree with you that the Quest 3 overall looks a little better than the Pico 4. The main thng is the Pico 4 is not sold in te US. It is a China thing.
So that said, Still investigating the Quest 3 and watching allot of videos about it.
Thanks for your video comparisons.
Just one update. I now own the Quest 3 - Great graphic visuals and nice wide sweet spot. Replaces my Rift S which i still keep as a backup.
Well I don't care what happens to or how good the Pico products are, if they don't want to distribute/sell their products in the US, They can go Pound Sand. Doesn't bother me in the least bit.
For a headset that is ~200 less, a year older, than the overhyped Quest3 and you don't need to buy an extra 'Elite Strap' to use it, it's not bad. Not to forget the Q3 128GB-version is a joke when more games come with higher res. textures than the mostly low res Q2-games yet. There is no 256GB version for the Q3, because Zuck wants to make gross revenue with an expensive 512GB version.
Not a big draw with the Q3, sadly. Too bad that the Bytedance Chinese clever-CEOs flunked the US congress 'Tiktok'-hearing, so Pico could not made it to US and has too low sold rates because of that, even more with their bad crisis management now.