Almost all nations will have one, added to the fact that War Thunder is not DCS, here you can maintain turns of more than 9g as Superman as you want, that does not affect the end, the f18 is going to be mid in possible 14.0
The F/A-18 will just be in the same boat as the Persian cat, Good at BVR and if you survive to the merge it's still a damned good dogfighter henceforth it will be hard to balance.
Honestly I think that this update will push top tier up further because in the same leak notes that leaked the F-18C, CF-18, an F-18 for Germany, Rafale M, SU-33/27k, and more were leaked and everything here smokes everything currently in top tier
feel like you are glazing the hornet far too much, yes its alright but it wont break the game lmao. Its DCS flight model is known to be a dramatic overcompensation of its actual performance. Something that would break the game would be the likes of the typhoon for example.
Nah. The DCS flight model is known to be pretty damn close to the real thing, especially after the updates earlier this year. It's certainly not a dramatic overcompensation
The first Tranche of the EF has a worse range radar + worse/similar turning radius + same missiles to planes already in game, how tf is it game breaking?
I don't know how it will perform on WT but I think it's will not be a game breaker. Yeah you can carry 10 AMRAAMS and 2 AIM-9s but (at least in DCS) the performance hit it receives kind of balances it out. The hornet also has a thrust to weight ratio lower than 1:1 (if barely above it sometimes) so BVR engagements against aircraft already going mach 1+ at altitude will most certainly kill you and you cannot just spam them because they will not hit.
@@toyotawitha20mm35 no its not, its low speed and 1 circle performance is similiar to the handling of a MiG-29 according to US pilots wich have flown both. The numbers also cover that statement. And just a reminder that currently the MiG-29 is THE worst 1 circle 4th gen we have (except if you wanna call the tornado a 4th gen)
@@merf5549 the mig 29 is hilariously under preforming, so what's your point? The F-18 irl has a better sustained turn rate too and handles better at pretty much all speeds than the mig 29 irl.
@@merf5549 the mig 29 and su 27 should both be the best in the 1 circle in game rn, so your example isn't invalid, plus American jets never under pref9rm, when the F-18 comes it will be the best dogfighter in the game.
the f18 has a pretty bad TTWR so it wont be able to sling amraams nearly as far as an f16 or f15, by this point the f18 in DCS is modelled very well, the fa18c is a jack of all trades but master of none. it will be an underddog in most air to air situations unless its ina dogfight. also the fa18C is no longer used by the navy, its been replaced by the superhornet for the past like 10+ years. only the marines still use the legacy hornet
bro, you get that for example there is also the su27 with 12 missiles, plus the f18 has very low fuel capacity without fuel tanks so you wont do much with the 12 missile loadaut
@@McXerYT ye i get what you mean, but this is a problem related to the current state of toptier, yeah, youre right, the f18 will be hella good, but the unplayability of toptier wont get affected by the aircraft itself, its the state of current toptier that will multiply the problem, because you got 12 people per team, i personally think that the f18 wont break the game if gaijin decides to fix toptier itself and everyone will benefit at the end
The F-18 can carry 3 drop tanks I think, so fuel won’t be an issue, and neither will flight performance because there is NO scenario where a good pilot will need to merge with 10 amraams at their disposal, let alone 2 AIM9Xs on top of that.
@@kubakorb678 ah, I didn’t know that some drop tanks were on missile pylons, the one in the e middle of the fuselage should be enough anyway since iirc it is quite big. Also, there was a point in time when noone thought they would add jets, I don’t think they will add a later model of the 9X, but a 9X-1 would just be a 50g aim9m
I think the US will get the Canadian CF-188 as a premium, event vehicle, or squadron vehicle. The British will get the Australian one, the Germans will get the Swiss one, the French getting the Spanish one, and the Swedish getting the Finnish one. They will probably come with the Aim-9M, Aim-120A or B. We wont see the C-3 until we see 4+ generation jets.
Very bad logic. Chinese J-15/16s and Russian SU-33s are also very good as a counter of F-18. These planes have Thrust vectoring, dont forget. And also, European planes like Typhoon and Rafale can demolish this hornet in no time.
@@McXerYTin a dogfight the hornet can still compete against the J series but is still worse in a fox 2 dogfight. The rafale and euro just wreck the hornet. In BVR every jet beats it. The hornet can carry a lot of missiles but if you carry all of them it doesn't have a good enough TWR to have good PK with them
The main issue isn't the hornet carrying AMRAAMS but it gets very advanced AMRAAMS. It gets everything very advanced better than most of its competition. another point is that nearly every NATO nation can get an f-18.
They will balance it by making it a new skin of the existing F16 platform. Most nations will have it, have the same electronics and weapon systems/radar. It will be something crazy cool to look at and nothing will be broken. They will not allow it to "break the game."
if gaijin just add 1 variant of the hornet, just the A variant, we'd still be happy for a long time since it has almost no competition plus, US ground isn't doing so good now, so.
When it first gets added, and entire teams are made up of them, I think they will do well - purely because people will do the 10 AMRAAM cancer loadout and at that point, with WarThunders maps and engagement ranges, it's just a numbers game, and more missiles is always going to win. Not more missiles on a plane by plane basis, but more missiles on a team by team basis. But, once the dust has settled and teams start to diversify again? Not so much. Loading the Hornet up with 10 AMRAAMs in DCS is considered a noob play because it annihilates the performance of the jet, and it's already a slower jet amongst its contemporaries to begin with - lower engine power/TWR, draggier airframe, what you gain in missiles you lose in survivability because you can't climb quickly or get fast quickly in order to lob your own missiles as far if you're slow, and you can't manoeuvre as well to avoid incoming missiles if you're heavy - so a more competent player in a faster aircraft will be able to climb faster and get to a higher mach speed and just out range you by enough that your missile advantage will be null. Translated into WarThunder's hectic pile-on meta, that will just be exacerbated - especially because fights in WarThunder just aren't one vs ones very often. At the merge, if you do manage to get into a 1 Vs. 1? Yeah, it's going to slap - but how often does that really happen? Imagine an Eagle/Viper/Gripen/Flanker that can't push past Mach 1.2 in a reasonable timeframe - how well would you expect that to do? Because that's what the Hornet is in a Fox-3 meta. It works best as a self escort ground attack platform, because when it needs to defend itself it can ditch the ground ordnance and suddenly becomes an extremely stripped down, low drag, minimal missile count, dogfighting beast - but no one's going to be using it for ground strike in air RB, so it'll always be bogged down with more missiles than it needs and be a brick as a result.
@@McXerYT It’s less that you ever actually do it, and more that because it can’t match the heavy hitters in terms of those performance metrics; regardless of what alt and speed you’re at, the enemy has a greater chance of firing kinematically superior missiles at you than you can fire at them.
This issue is interesting and impossible to fix. If games want to be realistic, the USA runs away with air superiority performance after 1990. The euro fighter is sick, the rafale is great, but adding US planes to games is essentially game breaking entirely.
@ most definitely. But as far as WT is concerned, the 80’s era US aircraft are balanced by later era near peer adversary aircraft. After that, there’s nothing in existence that can possibly balance US aircraft, besides prototype aircraft with unverifiable performance.
the f18 is good but the Eurofighter is even better leaving gaijin with not a lot of options for Germany the A should already be here there are aircraft already in the game
Just add j15, su33, su30, F2 ralafe M, eurofighter t1, f15I and mig29k. then the f18 will look small. The biggest problem with the f18 is the USA main, who are extremely incompetent. because the f18 would overperform in other nations except the USA and would eventually buff some American plane that would destroy the game, that is the only risk of the f18 breaking the game.
F18 will be weak in dogfights, good AoA, but not good enough in other specs to keep up with F-16, or pull harder then su27 initially.... Something more broken would be typhoon, maybe f-2a, thrust vectoring Soviet jets...
@@McXerYT issue is with aesa radar and aam-4b it could be really strong in current meta, same with typhoon and if we go dogfighting then later Russian jets probably can be a real menace, but issue is that in war thunder dogfights are there just for 3rd party to take the kill, overall f2 imo will just be f-16 with better radar and missiles, pretty much what it is irl
Break? I just don't get it. Su-27SM1.5 (the extra missiles didnt come till the SM2) already carries 12 missiles, nobody bats an eye about it people STILL say it needs massive buffs, but then you talk about a plane that happens to have the stars and stripes next to its name on the stat card and everyone freaks out. I understand the US military is quite formidable, buts that's IRL, not in game. putting a US flag next to something doesnt make it overpowered and it seems neither gaijin nor the playerbase at large has figured this out yet.
10 - R-77s or 10 - AIM-120s it is QUITE a diffrence also keep in mind both germany finland and the UK can get this jet meaning they have a SPAMRAMMER and even say they dont give it 12 missiles you will have an AMAZING jet frame
@McXerYT Not against the other most popular jet that I know that 18 will face either because it's on red (China), or because mixed is so prevalent in top tier. The F-16 will absolutely murder the Hornet in everything other then War Thunder's 2 minute long missile game. We have alot of F-16s, it fights itself regularly. The only thing a F-18 can do better then the 16, besides SPAMRAAMs is pull more AoA. Which will lead to you dying quicker, because you will bleed all of your speed.
@@Raiders1917You forget that the F-18 is an Absolute UFO meaning it turns like crazy and doesn't lose speed extremely fast this is gonna be a Gripen A before it got nerfed level of dominant aircraft.
Because the flankers flight model in game is dogshit, and we all know American planes always get UFO flight models, so the F-18 will have amazing preformance
Bring it and add it to only the US tech tree alone. Other trees should be given their own similarly capable jets. Tired of fighting mirror planes every game
@@ron_23951 Yes. The Typhoon should definitely be added to Germany especially since they don't have a good top tier. But the problem is it wasn't developed in Germany rather it was a joint project. I don't know how that will work out. Am guessing it will be the same crap as of now. Fighting mirror planes every game
People here are Massively underestimating the Hornet there's good reason that it has been the flagship aircraft of the US navy since 1973, Its AOA, Thrust to weight ratio of 1-1, and its Sustained turn rate are nothing to scoff at. It turns better than an F-16 in everything besides a two circle fight (spoiler two circles never happens in warthunder). It has an absolutely bonkers weapons load out being able to Carry Aim-174Bs the longest ranged air to air missile ever made (yes that is a brand new missile but they were tested on the older variants of the Hornet and they work), it can Carry more aim-120s than the F-15C MSIP (the best aircraft at top tier currently), and likely could drop with the 9x which would be disgusting currently. Its range isn't bad either 2k kilometers plus drop tanks is more than enough for your average warthunder match.
@@McXerYT I think people already are forgetting that we know how the F-18 will be modeled because in game we have the almost identical Temu rip off of it known as the JF-17 which is disgusting in 1 circle fights and even holds up pretty well in a 2 circle I have the thing and the time it takes to turn a full circle was between 15 and 20 seconds depending on if I used flaps and keyboard control which is accurate considering it's sustained turn rate is 18 degrees per second at 300 knots when I was looking it up. But it gets better none of that even matters because my JF-17 most of the time would turn into my opponent's circle and give me guns quite literally 3-5 seconds into a turn fight even if their turn rate was better than mine because of the simple fact that the JF-17 has an absolutely insane Instantaneous turn rate of 27 degrees per second keep in mind the F-16A's instantanious is around 22 degrees per second. The only issue with the JF-17A is it's horrendous Thrust to weight meaning once it got slow it stayed slow and if it fell below 300 knots it'd instantly turn into an almost unrecoverable brick and fall out of the sky. The F-18 HAS NONE OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE HOLDING THE JF-18A BACK (ThOSR issues being Mid missiles, dookie radar for top tier, barely any counter measures, and the T-W of a Phantom).
fun fact - the F16A in warthunder is capable of 31.1°/s Unless your F18 is at Eurofighter levels of 1 circle capability it wont win a 1 circle with that OP shitter. Also its flight performance at low speed is similiar to the MiG-29 (or better said the MiG-29 is similiar to the Hornet) So if thats the case then good luck with the worst 4th gen flightmodel currently ingame, lol
@@merf5549here’s an idea, nerf the massively over performing F-16(and you won’t even face the F-16A at top tier by the way) and then you buff the massively underperforming MiG-29 and Su-27
@@superproduce I dont want the MiG-29 situation on the F16 where one plany is massively nerfed while the other one gets buffed. we had that in the best and seen the results. I would suggest buffing the SU27 and MiG-29s flightmodel to a realistic standard and then adjusting the F16A/C afterwards according to the overall gamebalance instead
@@McXerYT that doesnt make a huge difference when a match ends within 2 minutes like sure its something on air sim but on air rb that extra 2 missile count wont make a huge impact
Performs poorly in the merge and was no better than tornado F3 as RAF pilots said in 1v1. It will be poor.. fox 3s do not prevent the merge. Nice aircraft but don't get carried away.
true, saying F/A-18C will be OP is somewhat typical WT community statement. It take 10 fox3s trading its already weak top speed BUT IT CAN TAKE 10xAIMS. Also saying it is good at anything is general description of multirole jet. (AA refueling / Anti-ship capabilites is useless in this game so this is L take).
It won't break anything? It's flight performance is going to be absolute dogwater compared to any other American top-tier jet and most other nations' top-tier jets as well
@@McXerYT people say that because it does have a bad FM. It's thrust-to-weight ratio is going to be worse than any other top-tier jet(pretty sure it's going to be below 1 with any proper load), and on top of that you have the fact that it's top speed at sea level is just barely above mach 1. Then also the fact that it pulls crazy AOA, so if you turn without controlling the turn, you're going to lose all your speed in 1 turn, and then it will take an eternity to regain that speed, because, again, it's TTW ratio is terrible. The only place it will shine in is going to be top-tier GRB, because of it's great ground ordinance
@@McXerYT in real life the hornet has high drag related to its leading edge extensions, which causes high transonic and supersonic drag, irl the hornet becomes a huge airbrake when it performs AoA, while it can carry a vast ordinance, its dogfighting capabilities are overestimated, and in particular, in DCS it rates better than the F-16 from others and my own testing, the DCS flight model is not accurate, DCS as a whole is not accurate and shouldnt be treated as such, keep in mind in DCS, flares and chaff are completely RNG based, not modelled as real IR targets, its a great standoff plane, but everything else its pretty lackluster, and im a huge F-18 fan myself
Bruh, You're definitely too hyped, in DCS on higher league F-18 sucks. It's the favorite plane of new players because it can "do everything" but it's mediocre at it, I personally would say it's bad at it with my 2k hours experience. No surprise it's not taken in tournaments or in servers pvp events it's just average.
@@McXerYT Just give me a task and I will give You machine that do it better. AirToAir: F-16, F-15, F14 (multicrew). AntyShip: JF-17 (for oversaturation), Viggen (for smart programmable missiles). AG: F-15, A-10. Sead: Su-25t (meta for seeing everything and most Anti Radar missiles), F-16, JF-17. I would say, it's okay at those tasks if You have skill but it will not be as superb as other machines (speaking of course from DCS perspective).
If it carries an competitive AtA loadout, it's flight performance will suck and it'll be a slow boat. Sure it has great avionics but that doesn't matter when it's range is terrible. The Hornet does everything mid. Sure it can hold it's own but it's certainly not good at everything. It can just *do* everything. As I listen I'm hearing you defend the obviously overtuned DCS F-18 model. Nevermind, you're too far gone.
@@McXerYT To carry the same weaponry as the planes it replaced would have, it has significantly worse handling all round. It's just ok at everything it does. This is simply a fact.
how they going to balance this jet?
They aren’t
By artificially nerfing it
NOOOOOOOOOOO my broken F/A-18 T-T
add an extremely early prototype. (even then will have to nerf it into the ground)
Almost all nations will have one, added to the fact that War Thunder is not DCS, here you can maintain turns of more than 9g as Superman as you want, that does not affect the end, the f18 is going to be mid in possible 14.0
Watch them add a premium F-18 💀
fr we will see i hope not
F-18A premium let's goooo
100% they will make the Swiss fa18 a squad vehicle
Maybe a premium for Sweden
Sweden rn: 😐
DCS F-18 fanboys trying not to praise their favorite plane as a demigod challenge
The F/A-18 will just be in the same boat as the Persian cat, Good at BVR and if you survive to the merge it's still a damned good dogfighter henceforth it will be hard to balance.
Honestly I think that this update will push top tier up further because in the same leak notes that leaked the F-18C, CF-18, an F-18 for Germany, Rafale M, SU-33/27k, and more were leaked and everything here smokes everything currently in top tier
And we'd call that fair? Devs still gonna give ussr worse counterparts and worse fm like b4 lmao
feel like you are glazing the hornet far too much, yes its alright but it wont break the game lmao. Its DCS flight model is known to be a dramatic overcompensation of its actual performance. Something that would break the game would be the likes of the typhoon for example.
The j10 is already in the game, which was released IRL a year after the typhoon
And you underestimate the hornet
@@TheDougsSB Hornet superiority
Nah. The DCS flight model is known to be pretty damn close to the real thing, especially after the updates earlier this year. It's certainly not a dramatic overcompensation
The first Tranche of the EF has a worse range radar + worse/similar turning radius + same missiles to planes already in game, how tf is it game breaking?
I don't know how it will perform on WT but I think it's will not be a game breaker. Yeah you can carry 10 AMRAAMS and 2 AIM-9s but (at least in DCS) the performance hit it receives kind of balances it out. The hornet also has a thrust to weight ratio lower than 1:1 (if barely above it sometimes) so BVR engagements against aircraft already going mach 1+ at altitude will most certainly kill you and you cannot just spam them because they will not hit.
The F-18 has an above 1:1 TWR actually, and is the best dogfighting gen 4 the US has. This thing is lethal in both circles
@@toyotawitha20mm35 no its not, its low speed and 1 circle performance is similiar to the handling of a MiG-29 according to US pilots wich have flown both.
The numbers also cover that statement.
And just a reminder that currently the MiG-29 is THE worst 1 circle 4th gen we have (except if you wanna call the tornado a 4th gen)
@@merf5549 the mig 29 is hilariously under preforming, so what's your point? The F-18 irl has a better sustained turn rate too and handles better at pretty much all speeds than the mig 29 irl.
@@merf5549 the mig 29 is under preforming.
@@merf5549 the mig 29 and su 27 should both be the best in the 1 circle in game rn, so your example isn't invalid, plus American jets never under pref9rm, when the F-18 comes it will be the best dogfighter in the game.
the f18 has a pretty bad TTWR so it wont be able to sling amraams nearly as far as an f16 or f15, by this point the f18 in DCS is modelled very well, the fa18c is a jack of all trades but master of none. it will be an underddog in most air to air situations unless its ina dogfight. also the fa18C is no longer used by the navy, its been replaced by the superhornet for the past like 10+ years. only the marines still use the legacy hornet
bro, you get that for example there is also the su27 with 12 missiles, plus the f18 has very low fuel capacity without fuel tanks so you wont do much with the 12 missile loadaut
yeah but only 6 are ARH or is it 8? ether way that’s 8 R-77s compared to 10 AIM-120s
@@McXerYT ye i get what you mean, but this is a problem related to the current state of toptier, yeah, youre right, the f18 will be hella good, but the unplayability of toptier wont get affected by the aircraft itself, its the state of current toptier that will multiply the problem, because you got 12 people per team, i personally think that the f18 wont break the game if gaijin decides to fix toptier itself and everyone will benefit at the end
The F-18 can carry 3 drop tanks I think, so fuel won’t be an issue, and neither will flight performance because there is NO scenario where a good pilot will need to merge with 10 amraams at their disposal, let alone 2 AIM9Xs on top of that.
@@superproduce ye but if you take 3 drop tanks you sacrifice 4 missiles, plus gaijin just wont add the aim9x
@@kubakorb678 ah, I didn’t know that some drop tanks were on missile pylons, the one in the e middle of the fuselage should be enough anyway since iirc it is quite big.
Also, there was a point in time when noone thought they would add jets, I don’t think they will add a later model of the 9X, but a 9X-1 would just be a 50g aim9m
I think the US will get the Canadian CF-188 as a premium, event vehicle, or squadron vehicle. The British will get the Australian one, the Germans will get the Swiss one, the French getting the Spanish one, and the Swedish getting the Finnish one. They will probably come with the Aim-9M, Aim-120A or B. We wont see the C-3 until we see 4+ generation jets.
Yeah but remember that the F15c actually does carry even more than the 8 amraams that it carries.
Very bad logic.
Chinese J-15/16s and Russian SU-33s are also very good as a counter of F-18.
These planes have Thrust vectoring, dont forget.
And also, European planes like Typhoon and Rafale can demolish this hornet in no time.
ehhh hornet better fr fr
@@McXerYT delulu
@@McXerYT watch dcs bro.
Its not even that op
@@McXerYTin a dogfight the hornet can still compete against the J series but is still worse in a fox 2 dogfight. The rafale and euro just wreck the hornet. In BVR every jet beats it. The hornet can carry a lot of missiles but if you carry all of them it doesn't have a good enough TWR to have good PK with them
The main issue isn't the hornet carrying AMRAAMS but it gets very advanced AMRAAMS. It gets everything very advanced better than most of its competition. another point is that nearly every NATO nation can get an f-18.
They will balance it by making it a new skin of the existing F16 platform. Most nations will have it, have the same electronics and weapon systems/radar. It will be something crazy cool to look at and nothing will be broken. They will not allow it to "break the game."
lol
if gaijin just add 1 variant of the hornet, just the A variant, we'd still be happy for a long time since it has almost no competition
plus, US ground isn't doing so good now, so.
I don’t think the US ground forces need help…JK we need DU and better players lmao
@@McXerYT scratch DU, just better player is enough, and that F18 going to be the one who will bring back US pro players. Not those shit ones
When it first gets added, and entire teams are made up of them, I think they will do well - purely because people will do the 10 AMRAAM cancer loadout and at that point, with WarThunders maps and engagement ranges, it's just a numbers game, and more missiles is always going to win. Not more missiles on a plane by plane basis, but more missiles on a team by team basis.
But, once the dust has settled and teams start to diversify again? Not so much.
Loading the Hornet up with 10 AMRAAMs in DCS is considered a noob play because it annihilates the performance of the jet, and it's already a slower jet amongst its contemporaries to begin with - lower engine power/TWR, draggier airframe, what you gain in missiles you lose in survivability because you can't climb quickly or get fast quickly in order to lob your own missiles as far if you're slow, and you can't manoeuvre as well to avoid incoming missiles if you're heavy - so a more competent player in a faster aircraft will be able to climb faster and get to a higher mach speed and just out range you by enough that your missile advantage will be null.
Translated into WarThunder's hectic pile-on meta, that will just be exacerbated - especially because fights in WarThunder just aren't one vs ones very often.
At the merge, if you do manage to get into a 1 Vs. 1? Yeah, it's going to slap - but how often does that really happen? Imagine an Eagle/Viper/Gripen/Flanker that can't push past Mach 1.2 in a reasonable timeframe - how well would you expect that to do?
Because that's what the Hornet is in a Fox-3 meta.
It works best as a self escort ground attack platform, because when it needs to defend itself it can ditch the ground ordnance and suddenly becomes an extremely stripped down, low drag, minimal missile count, dogfighting beast - but no one's going to be using it for ground strike in air RB, so it'll always be bogged down with more missiles than it needs and be a brick as a result.
imma be honest I never climb to space or go MACH 1.2 I don’t foresee the hornet getting clapped in this regard
@@McXerYT
It’s less that you ever actually do it, and more that because it can’t match the heavy hitters in terms of those performance metrics; regardless of what alt and speed you’re at, the enemy has a greater chance of firing kinematically superior missiles at you than you can fire at them.
I see F18, I click.
good boi i figured out the infinte 1 view trick!!!!!
@@McXerYT Yeeeeeessss
BUT the hornet also has a hefty fuel consumption, meaning you will need droptanks, wich are going to take up space youd otherwise use for missiles
not the belly and it would be a little better then the tomcat
Good to see the S-3 getting some recognition. I love that hoover.
I love it too
This issue is interesting and impossible to fix. If games want to be realistic, the USA runs away with air superiority performance after 1990. The euro fighter is sick, the rafale is great, but adding US planes to games is essentially game breaking entirely.
even before the 90s
@ most definitely. But as far as WT is concerned, the 80’s era US aircraft are balanced by later era near peer adversary aircraft. After that, there’s nothing in existence that can possibly balance US aircraft, besides prototype aircraft with unverifiable performance.
They can always just do ridiculous artificial nerfs like on the Mig-29s and Su27s right now😂🎉
Hornet superiority
the f18 is good but the Eurofighter is even better leaving gaijin with not a lot of options for Germany the A should already be here there are aircraft already in the game
f18 with aim 174 would be crazy. Also low cross section as the su57.
AIM-174 too op ... needs to be 1.3 fr fr
The Su-57 doesn't have a low cross section
@@specc_s1452that’s the joke, a su-57 is as visible on radar as a non stealth F-18
@@superproduce ahhh
Just add j15, su33, su30, F2 ralafe M, eurofighter t1, f15I and mig29k.
then the f18 will look small.
The biggest problem with the f18 is the USA main, who are extremely incompetent.
because the f18 would overperform in other nations except the USA and would eventually buff some American plane that would destroy the game, that is the only risk of the f18 breaking the game.
F18 my beloved
HORNET FR FR long live F/A-18
Oh so you're the bastard who spamraams everytime I get into a BVR fight (I'm joking)
i think WT is reaching the point where the superiority of western made aircrafts will become too evident and too game breaking.
it will at some point
The game is already broken, top tier jets is basically a lottery.
F18 will be weak in dogfights, good AoA, but not good enough in other specs to keep up with F-16, or pull harder then su27 initially.... Something more broken would be typhoon, maybe f-2a, thrust vectoring Soviet jets...
F-2 is not that broken lol
@@McXerYT issue is with aesa radar and aam-4b it could be really strong in current meta, same with typhoon and if we go dogfighting then later Russian jets probably can be a real menace, but issue is that in war thunder dogfights are there just for 3rd party to take the kill, overall f2 imo will just be f-16 with better radar and missiles, pretty much what it is irl
F15 is still just better than the hornet even with this unbelievable amount of glaze
damn thats crazy
Break? I just don't get it. Su-27SM1.5 (the extra missiles didnt come till the SM2) already carries 12 missiles, nobody bats an eye about it people STILL say it needs massive buffs, but then you talk about a plane that happens to have the stars and stripes next to its name on the stat card and everyone freaks out. I understand the US military is quite formidable, buts that's IRL, not in game. putting a US flag next to something doesnt make it overpowered and it seems neither gaijin nor the playerbase at large has figured this out yet.
10 - R-77s or 10 - AIM-120s it is QUITE a diffrence also keep in mind both germany finland and the UK can get this jet meaning they have a SPAMRAMMER and even say they dont give it 12 missiles you will have an AMAZING jet frame
@McXerYT Not against the other most popular jet that I know that 18 will face either because it's on red (China), or because mixed is so prevalent in top tier. The F-16 will absolutely murder the Hornet in everything other then War Thunder's 2 minute long missile game. We have alot of F-16s, it fights itself regularly. The only thing a F-18 can do better then the 16, besides SPAMRAAMs is pull more AoA. Which will lead to you dying quicker, because you will bleed all of your speed.
@@Raiders1917You forget that the F-18 is an Absolute UFO meaning it turns like crazy and doesn't lose speed extremely fast this is gonna be a Gripen A before it got nerfed level of dominant aircraft.
@@ZeroDim If your going to troll, try harder.
Because the flankers flight model in game is dogshit, and we all know American planes always get UFO flight models, so the F-18 will have amazing preformance
Bring it and add it to only the US tech tree alone. Other trees should be given their own similarly capable jets. Tired of fighting mirror planes every game
you are totally right germany should not get the f-18 but the eurofighter instead
@@ron_23951 Yes. The Typhoon should definitely be added to Germany especially since they don't have a good top tier. But the problem is it wasn't developed in Germany rather it was a joint project. I don't know how that will work out. Am guessing it will be the same crap as of now. Fighting mirror planes every game
People here are Massively underestimating the Hornet there's good reason that it has been the flagship aircraft of the US navy since 1973, Its AOA, Thrust to weight ratio of 1-1, and its Sustained turn rate are nothing to scoff at. It turns better than an F-16 in everything besides a two circle fight (spoiler two circles never happens in warthunder). It has an absolutely bonkers weapons load out being able to Carry Aim-174Bs the longest ranged air to air missile ever made (yes that is a brand new missile but they were tested on the older variants of the Hornet and they work), it can Carry more aim-120s than the F-15C MSIP (the best aircraft at top tier currently), and likely could drop with the 9x which would be disgusting currently. Its range isn't bad either 2k kilometers plus drop tanks is more than enough for your average warthunder match.
i love you (for legal reasons no homo)
@@McXerYT I think people already are forgetting that we know how the F-18 will be modeled because in game we have the almost identical Temu rip off of it known as the JF-17 which is disgusting in 1 circle fights and even holds up pretty well in a 2 circle I have the thing and the time it takes to turn a full circle was between 15 and 20 seconds depending on if I used flaps and keyboard control which is accurate considering it's sustained turn rate is 18 degrees per second at 300 knots when I was looking it up. But it gets better none of that even matters because my JF-17 most of the time would turn into my opponent's circle and give me guns quite literally 3-5 seconds into a turn fight even if their turn rate was better than mine because of the simple fact that the JF-17 has an absolutely insane Instantaneous turn rate of 27 degrees per second keep in mind the F-16A's instantanious is around 22 degrees per second. The only issue with the JF-17A is it's horrendous Thrust to weight meaning once it got slow it stayed slow and if it fell below 300 knots it'd instantly turn into an almost unrecoverable brick and fall out of the sky. The F-18 HAS NONE OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE HOLDING THE JF-18A BACK (ThOSR issues being Mid missiles, dookie radar for top tier, barely any counter measures, and the T-W of a Phantom).
fun fact - the F16A in warthunder is capable of 31.1°/s
Unless your F18 is at Eurofighter levels of 1 circle capability it wont win a 1 circle with that OP shitter.
Also its flight performance at low speed is similiar to the MiG-29 (or better said the MiG-29 is similiar to the Hornet)
So if thats the case then good luck with the worst 4th gen flightmodel currently ingame, lol
@@merf5549here’s an idea, nerf the massively over performing F-16(and you won’t even face the F-16A at top tier by the way) and then you buff the massively underperforming MiG-29 and Su-27
@@superproduce I dont want the MiG-29 situation on the F16 where one plany is massively nerfed while the other one gets buffed. we had that in the best and seen the results.
I would suggest buffing the SU27 and MiG-29s flightmodel to a realistic standard and then adjusting the F16A/C afterwards according to the overall gamebalance instead
another l take ftom this guy
wild
F18 outrates an f16 and has a similar one circle to the su 27
a vehicle with a 10 arh missile wont break the game. as if planes like mirage 5f f15c and su27sm doesnt exist
hornet can have 10 ARH missiles and still have 2 IR
@@McXerYT that doesnt make a huge difference when a match ends within 2 minutes like sure its something on air sim but on air rb that extra 2 missile count wont make a huge impact
I just wish one day I get to see my love in WT.
I pray
haha i got a sneak peek on this video
I feel this is a cope video
no I love the hornet it’s best fr fr
Make vid about bonus for extra nation! And what you think about it.
i dont think i will make a full video on it i might make on teaching people how to do it but idk
@@McXerYT the bonus is very weak - and somehow no one talks about it.
F18 is already outdated its weak, while you take off with full load at that time your team will be already on the other side of the map
what are you on about lmao
How good do you think it would be at CAs for the us?
very good
Performs poorly in the merge and was no better than tornado F3 as RAF pilots said in 1v1. It will be poor.. fox 3s do not prevent the merge. Nice aircraft but don't get carried away.
its a great jet but i can respect your opinion
true, saying F/A-18C will be OP is somewhat typical WT community statement. It take 10 fox3s trading its already weak top speed BUT IT CAN TAKE 10xAIMS. Also saying it is good at anything is general description of multirole jet. (AA refueling / Anti-ship capabilites is useless in this game so this is L take).
It won't break anything? It's flight performance is going to be absolute dogwater compared to any other American top-tier jet and most other nations' top-tier jets as well
why dose everyone think the F-18 has a bad flight model
@@McXerYT people say that because it does have a bad FM.
It's thrust-to-weight ratio is going to be worse than any other top-tier jet(pretty sure it's going to be below 1 with any proper load), and on top of that you have the fact that it's top speed at sea level is just barely above mach 1. Then also the fact that it pulls crazy AOA, so if you turn without controlling the turn, you're going to lose all your speed in 1 turn, and then it will take an eternity to regain that speed, because, again, it's TTW ratio is terrible.
The only place it will shine in is going to be top-tier GRB, because of it's great ground ordinance
speed dose not seem to matter in BVR spam (it dose IRL) also the hornet retains its rate speeds very very well
@@McXerYT in real life the hornet has high drag related to its leading edge extensions, which causes high transonic and supersonic drag, irl the hornet becomes a huge airbrake when it performs AoA, while it can carry a vast ordinance, its dogfighting capabilities are overestimated, and in particular, in DCS it rates better than the F-16 from others and my own testing, the DCS flight model is not accurate, DCS as a whole is not accurate and shouldnt be treated as such, keep in mind in DCS, flares and chaff are completely RNG based, not modelled as real IR targets, its a great standoff plane, but everything else its pretty lackluster, and im a huge F-18 fan myself
Bruh, You're definitely too hyped, in DCS on higher league F-18 sucks. It's the favorite plane of new players because it can "do everything" but it's mediocre at it, I personally would say it's bad at it with my 2k hours experience. No surprise it's not taken in tournaments or in servers pvp events it's just average.
its not "mediocre" at stuff chief
@@McXerYT Just give me a task and I will give You machine that do it better. AirToAir: F-16, F-15, F14 (multicrew). AntyShip: JF-17 (for oversaturation), Viggen (for smart programmable missiles). AG: F-15, A-10. Sead: Su-25t (meta for seeing everything and most Anti Radar missiles), F-16, JF-17. I would say, it's okay at those tasks if You have skill but it will not be as superb as other machines (speaking of course from DCS perspective).
tbh the only hornet i want is the a because fuck fox3 "gameplay"
If it carries an competitive AtA loadout, it's flight performance will suck and it'll be a slow boat. Sure it has great avionics but that doesn't matter when it's range is terrible. The Hornet does everything mid. Sure it can hold it's own but it's certainly not good at everything. It can just *do* everything.
As I listen I'm hearing you defend the obviously overtuned DCS F-18 model. Nevermind, you're too far gone.
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mid is a lil crazy
F18 is so good though. yeah its to good in DCS but that doesnt mean it sucks IRL homie
@@skymz3439 IRL it's somewhat good. In DCS it's plainly overpowered though.
@@McXerYT To carry the same weaponry as the planes it replaced would have, it has significantly worse handling all round. It's just ok at everything it does. This is simply a fact.