So, I like both Pokemon and Pocket Pair, but more or less share your sentiment. I want Pokemon as a legal entity to lose, so that Pokemon as a game can win. At the end of the day, companies will act in ways that are most profitable to them, and if they learn they can't bully their way into a monopoly, they'll just have to put more time and money into making the games good. I hope Pocket Pair continues to be healthy competition for Pokemon.
I desperately want Pokemon Company to get their head in the game and stop coasting with their mainline games. I'm a little worried that Palworld won't be enough to do that even still just because Pokemon is such a huge IP with products that span across multiple types. Would Palworld have to compete on all of those fronts in order for TPC to feel like they're enough of a threat to really change things? Dunno. They're already suing Pocketpair so maybe they've already been dubbed a threat. There's been rumors saying that the people over at Gamefreak are sweating because they realize their current method of making games is just not sustainable with the time given. So here's to hoping Scarlet/Violet are the last big disappointments for fans!
Interesting fact, CEO of pocket repair has stated that he previously worked with Nintendo I’m lucky he took away from it is that it’s just better to copy. Another interesting fact is that this whole thing is more than likely due to the fact that pocket repair is working with Sony, Nintendo has some serious bad blood with them after they went behind their back and made the PlayStation, so imagine Nintendo is pure unbridle rage seeing the company that stamped them in the back, help cultivate direct competitive brand to them. Both these companies have big money, and neither one’s going back down, especially due to their history, so essentially, so we’re in the middle of a company Cold War at the moment
For me it opened my eyes that patents exist for virtual mechanics, i.e. for video games and gate keeps game mechanics like yourself said. Plus in worst case scenario this can lead to other companies doing the same.
I knew it was patents from the instant the announcement was made, because I actually read what the announcement said and researched what patents are, then searched though Nintendo's patents to find something that is actually relevant to Palworld filed within the last 19 years.
I've played Pokemon games since Red and Blue on Gameboy and I Like Pokemon, but their Games Suck on the Switch. I'm 39 and I'm an older fan of Pokemon, their games Sword/Shield and Scarlet/Violet have been very both Sucked, my Nephew hated it...Both Games Were Awful Looking,Very Laggy, Full of Bugs, and They Charged More For Patches That Barely Fixed Anything...
I do hate how much the term IP has gained power over people. Art no longer exists, its all product now As for the designs being obviously plagiarized, if that were the case Nintendo would've sued when the game was announced. The bulk of designs were already there by then. It goes to show how not "obvious" or simple art is. If this was the case Toriyama could've sued Pokemon over Mewtwo looking like Freiza. I suspect The patents are part of a parent patent, theyre most likely just pointing out this specific part of the patent tree for the lawsuit. The pokemon company is just looking to bully smaller companies as usual.
I heard someone describe the lawsuit as Nintendo's roadblock to Sony contesting their dominance in the "creature collector" space. It squares so much with how Pocketpair was just one game in JP's strict system vs turning into a multimedia series
From what I've heard/read is that copyright law is a nightmare to actually enforce unless you can outright confirm that some things were straight up copy&pasted. So even if Nintendo could win a lawsuit over the copyrights, they may not want to engage in a legal struggle over several years (like seriously some of these lawsuits took over a decade until they were just settled out of court). But I agree, that if Nintendo wins this it may give us a really bad precedent, so I don't want them to just win even though i feel like Palworld did cross some lines with a few of their designs. I hope they can find a compromise out of court, but I think that is just wishful thinking.
The problems with nintendo patent it just basic mechanic and if you on indie or not 3A studio who having money to uses the patent. No game will uses that type of mechanic even if nintendo don't want to sue you they can just threatening you for want you doing. Remember bandai namco patent mini game in loading scream and not a single game can uses it for 20 years except for there game.
To be completely Fair on the art debate, a lot of the examples are just base concepts that people think Pokemon owns. Like the Wolf, the wolf is just a cartoon wolf, but it looks like lycanroc, because lycanroc is just a generic cartoon wolf with rocks. That being said this entire like lawsuit thing to me it's just awful. I don't understand how you can like patent the concept of riding animals.
The Anubis/Lucario comparison also gets me a lot, as they look nothing alike besides both being inspired by the Egyptian God Anubis, yet the fans treat it as though Pokemon owns the concept of a mythological god.
if you listen VEEEERY closely, you can actually hear Booker (the kitten) have the zoomies in the background of part 3.... he was a lil menace during recording! 😆
I'm gonna try to stay as neutral as I can here. One on end, yeah I totally agree that Pocketpair designed a lot of their "Pals" to be very similar to Pokémon's designs, but that can be said to be true about *any* "monster collecting" RPG game with an anime art style. I do think it's pretty scummy on Nintendo's part to update their patent details only *after* Palworld's success as a competitor. Also, if "ball/object capture mechanic in open world game" is the problem then Pocketpair can easily just remove "Pal Spheres" altogether and just have you befriend "Pals" directly. Lastly, the patent over mounting creatures to ride around an open world is really dubious at best in my opinion. Does that patent mean Nintendo can literally sue *any* developer that made a game that features a mounting mechanic or does it only apply in the specific context of the mount having been something you've had to capture/tame?
Minecraft for example has animals that can be used as mounts like horses, including undead variants, donkeys,mules and pigs, those are the animals that players can ride, considering that Minecraft is a game that is popular,it would be funny seeing Nintendo trying to use Mojang for having rideable mounts
No I agree. I liked Scarlet and Violet way more than Arceus. Even more of a hot take: Scarlet, Violet, Gen 9 is my number one favorite gen at the moment despite its problem. Hot take, I know. Please don't bully me for having an opinion people.
Nah, I think S/V has a way better story. But! You have to at least agree Arceus did better with shinies 😅 Hearing them is much better than eyeballing 🥲
Lets not also forget that patents require the "invention" to be sufficiently unique/distinct/original; not obvious, consequential, or derivative. The fact that anyone let them patent "riding a creature you catch" or "catching a creature and adding it to your team" is insane. That's been done before Pokemon, it's been done long before 2021. That's lawyers/magistrates that are either completely ignorant on how video games work, or bought. Capitalists all about that "Free Market" until someone starts competing with them specifically, then suddenly it's, "Um, actually I did this _first_ so you're not allowed to, pay me."
This is a very good point! I've also heard the argument that the patents may not stand because gaming rules may not actually apply as patents but that feels like a ship that already sailed given that WB was able to successfully patent the Nemesis System.
@@amaliasolaris "Nemesis System" referring to the Shadow of Mordor/Shadow of War mechanic correct? It's very funny to me that there's a mod creator who implemented that feature into Skyrim and they weren't even the least bit shy about acknowledging the replication. The mod is even called "Shadow of Skyrim".
sorry, i have to disagree with you in a small part. around 12:30 you say that palworld fans are mad at nintendo to not making "games they find interesting" and that's not accurate. people is burnt with nintendo because there's been a lot of anti-consumer tactics (such as the WHOLE joycon drift issue (which nintendo denied but at the end they had to admit once court was starting to rule), the whole game being just unfinished (such as sun/moon // ultra sun/moon) AND the insane amount of performance issues (present on scarlet/violet) for a full priced game. but not only that, they took the stake against the fans as they took down SEVERAL hackrooms websites that literally had nothing to do with piracy... and then the "piracy" concerns at taking down emulators (Which btw, are legal) instead of taking down the pirated games which would have been the better answer. (remember that with DMC and copyright rights you can make them vanish quite easily). also the whole switch being underpowered AF, it has been proved that a linux distribution running a switch emulator IN THE SWITCH performs 2-2.5 times better than a regular switch itself which -if you ask me - is just testament of how anti-consumer they are because they had 7 years after the release to optimize it and they just did not. palworld issue is just the last drop... because it is an anti-consumer tactic because they are ilicitly trying to smash the competency, it's a monopoly tactic (don't forget that temtem is made by a spanish company and laws are quite different here in spain, if nintendo tried to sue temtem nintendo would be swept into a trash can, not only because spain laws but also EU laws but on the other hand pocket pair is japanese company). and beyond everything they are just a shame themselves. japan is known by their honor code, but ilicit and unetic tactics are everything but honorable, while they make certain sense in a bussines scheme (and i say "certain" because the consecuences are allways paid by the consumer, so by definition they are an anti-consumer tactic) they don't make ANY sense if you hold the "honorable" title. and to ask if they love pokemon/palworld i don't understand where you asked for, because both in fb palworld and reddit groups there allways are polls (in fb a new one shows up every 4-5 months) and the results are the same, people (me included) love palworld and used to love pokemon before it became a moneygrab and run. for example i can tell you that my absolute favorite games are diamond and Legends:Arceus. and i love the absurdly amount of shenanigans you can do in palworld. X is a weird world because it's not the same kind of engagement that the other two allow. your opinion about palworld being unable to innovate should be applied to the pokemon company too. they spent the last 20 years doing the same, they copied digimon's temporal evolution... they don't even care about what issues people are getting in their games XD whilist poket pair is allways listening to the community and tweaking even the tiniest of the details even if it will take collosal amount of efforts to do so (such as the seamless world update in the craftopia game, which was 100% unnecessary but they rewrote THE ENTIRE game just to give us what we asked for while at the same time keeping up with the regular updates (so technically they developed 2 games at the same time) and they allways have been transpartent about their ideas and they put the consumer first. they could have made palworld a "game as service" to get even more money and they decided they would not because it would have hurt the ones who purchased the game in the first place... it feels like you don't know anything about pocket pair and your opinion is just based on what media has portrayed them. i really really really have certain concerns about who you really asked about their opinion on palworld/pokemon liking... because it feels like it's absurdly biassed.
Hi, I appreciate this comment a lot! If you're concerned about who I've been asking, it was really just people that I knew played the game and I poked around on various social media sites as well. With that being said, since you're a fan of Palworld, I am very curious about why you like the game! ^-^ I see why you dislike Nintendo and those are very reasonable grievances to have! I also see that you're pleased with Pocketpair's handling of updates and feedback. But I want to know what about the game is drawing people to it that doesn't necessarily have to do with them being upset with Nintendo. So far, I have found no one who really could answer that and I found that... odd. But maybe you'll be the first! \o/
Way to prove her point here. I mean she says people on Palworlds side seem to be mainly motivated by their dislike for Nintendo/Pokemon and you break out into this huge rant just because she did not list the specific reason you dislike them.
@@amaliasolarisWell I’m afraid to tell you but by the comment I posted a couple of days ago, It’s because I found out when I about to play its competitor Miraibo GO until I saw body types instead of Genders. And PocketPair lets you make the Avatars in Palworld ugly and not beautiful like your Vtuber avatar. I’m sorry but it’s true, @LuigiTheMetal64 was right.
Honestly, I think if Pocket Pair were to win the lawsuit, it would set a worse precedent that a smaller company could make big money by infringing on copyrights, but making it legally distinct enough to get away with it. Hate Nintendo or Pokemon all you want but don't condemn the creature designers who had their work so obviously stolen, but are powerless to fight it because of the barely legal distinction. The designers are not the ones filing the lawsuit, they are not pushing hard to meet deadlines that result in sub-par games, they are simply artists. Yes I know the lawsuit isn't about the obviously stolen designs, but it would have been if it weren't for the legal distinction, the patent lawsuit, in my opinion, is only happening instead because they can't sue for copyright infringement. Yeah this could set a precedent as well, but I don't think Nintendo or Game Freak will use it on anything else unless it's a company that does the same thing as Pocket Pair. So all your other indie monster catchers that didn't obviously copy designs, are safe.
Honestly I feel like if either side just wins we gamers loose. If Nintendo wins then it may scare off some smaller developers from actually making good games and even if Nintendo doesn't sue everyone they could sue, there could be other big companies who suddenly try to make extra money with these kind of lawsuits. But if Palworld wins then the scenario that you describe will likely happen. Overall I'd say the best outcome would be an out of court compromise where neither side fully wins.
Respectfully i disagree. In no way would palworld winning set that precedent, there is a difference between copying, inspiration, and using the same source material. Heck if anything that "precedent" would have been set when Pokemon almost 1 to 1 copied Dragon Quest or when Digimon, Coromon, Nexomon, Temtem, Etc popped up. This is not for the Artists this is because Sony was partnering up with PocketPair to expand the Palworld IP and Nintendo benefits greatly if they can crush potential competition while its still small AND deal a blow to Sony, i also dont know why you have so much faith that Nintendo would not abuse this if they win considering what Nintendo has gone after people for in the past.
@@lvlHive yeah... No. The pokemon and dragon quest thing is inspiration. The designs in question looking nothing alike. Palworld though is plagiarism that did just enough to be legally distinct, not inspiration. Now as for Nintendo going after people in the past, to my knowledge they only have gone after people making fan games for profit, they rarely bother with non-profit fan games. And if Nintendo wanted to crush competition, they would have gone after every monster catcher, cassette beasts, temtem, farmagia. They have not and will not. Farmagia being a good example of a monster tamer that they are fine with, considering it not only is coming to switch, but it got featured in a direct which means they know of it. Also pointing out that anyone who uses the dragon quest argument is just another person with a hate boner for pokemon and nintendo, those are the only people that ever use that shit when it's fairly obvious that it's a case of inspiration and not plagiarism.
@@altermann1991 I honestly dont think smaller companies will be scared to do anything since everyone knows monster catching games are not a problematic genre to make, it only becomes problematic if you are clearly taking something from pokemon and doing the bare minimum to change it like with Pocket Pair
So, I like both Pokemon and Pocket Pair, but more or less share your sentiment. I want Pokemon as a legal entity to lose, so that Pokemon as a game can win.
At the end of the day, companies will act in ways that are most profitable to them, and if they learn they can't bully their way into a monopoly, they'll just have to put more time and money into making the games good. I hope Pocket Pair continues to be healthy competition for Pokemon.
I desperately want Pokemon Company to get their head in the game and stop coasting with their mainline games. I'm a little worried that Palworld won't be enough to do that even still just because Pokemon is such a huge IP with products that span across multiple types. Would Palworld have to compete on all of those fronts in order for TPC to feel like they're enough of a threat to really change things? Dunno. They're already suing Pocketpair so maybe they've already been dubbed a threat. There's been rumors saying that the people over at Gamefreak are sweating because they realize their current method of making games is just not sustainable with the time given. So here's to hoping Scarlet/Violet are the last big disappointments for fans!
Interesting fact, CEO of pocket repair has stated that he previously worked with Nintendo I’m lucky he took away from it is that it’s just better to copy.
Another interesting fact is that this whole thing is more than likely due to the fact that pocket repair is working with Sony, Nintendo has some serious bad blood with them after they went behind their back and made the PlayStation, so imagine Nintendo is pure unbridle rage seeing the company that stamped them in the back, help cultivate direct competitive brand to them.
Both these companies have big money, and neither one’s going back down, especially due to their history, so essentially, so we’re in the middle of a company Cold War at the moment
For me it opened my eyes that patents exist for virtual mechanics, i.e. for video games and gate keeps game mechanics like yourself said.
Plus in worst case scenario this can lead to other companies doing the same.
I knew it was patents from the instant the announcement was made, because I actually read what the announcement said and researched what patents are, then searched though Nintendo's patents to find something that is actually relevant to Palworld filed within the last 19 years.
If Pocket pair win, Im Just Imagining they make a shirt saying
"I survived a Lawsuit by Nintendo"
I've played Pokemon games since Red and Blue on Gameboy and I Like Pokemon, but their Games Suck on the Switch. I'm 39 and I'm an older fan of Pokemon, their games Sword/Shield and Scarlet/Violet have been very both Sucked, my Nephew hated it...Both Games Were Awful Looking,Very Laggy, Full of Bugs, and They Charged More For Patches That Barely Fixed Anything...
I do hate how much the term IP has gained power over people. Art no longer exists, its all product now
As for the designs being obviously plagiarized, if that were the case Nintendo would've sued when the game was announced. The bulk of designs were already there by then. It goes to show how not "obvious" or simple art is. If this was the case Toriyama could've sued Pokemon over Mewtwo looking like Freiza.
I suspect The patents are part of a parent patent, theyre most likely just pointing out this specific part of the patent tree for the lawsuit.
The pokemon company is just looking to bully smaller companies as usual.
I heard someone describe the lawsuit as Nintendo's roadblock to Sony contesting their dominance in the "creature collector" space. It squares so much with how Pocketpair was just one game in JP's strict system vs turning into a multimedia series
From what I've heard/read is that copyright law is a nightmare to actually enforce unless you can outright confirm that some things were straight up copy&pasted. So even if Nintendo could win a lawsuit over the copyrights, they may not want to engage in a legal struggle over several years (like seriously some of these lawsuits took over a decade until they were just settled out of court).
But I agree, that if Nintendo wins this it may give us a really bad precedent, so I don't want them to just win even though i feel like Palworld did cross some lines with a few of their designs. I hope they can find a compromise out of court, but I think that is just wishful thinking.
you dont have to ask people if they like Palworld. plenty of Palworld Content creators on UA-cam.
The problems with nintendo patent it just basic mechanic and if you on indie or not 3A studio who having money to uses the patent. No game will uses that type of mechanic even if nintendo don't want to sue you they can just threatening you for want you doing.
Remember bandai namco patent mini game in loading scream and not a single game can uses it for 20 years except for there game.
To be completely Fair on the art debate, a lot of the examples are just base concepts that people think Pokemon owns. Like the Wolf, the wolf is just a cartoon wolf, but it looks like lycanroc, because lycanroc is just a generic cartoon wolf with rocks. That being said this entire like lawsuit thing to me it's just awful. I don't understand how you can like patent the concept of riding animals.
The Anubis/Lucario comparison also gets me a lot, as they look nothing alike besides both being inspired by the Egyptian God Anubis, yet the fans treat it as though Pokemon owns the concept of a mythological god.
@FalconAvian or chillet, didnt u know pokemon owns ferrets, and ferret walkcycles
W video 👍 and the bloopers did not disappoint in the end lol
if you listen VEEEERY closely, you can actually hear Booker (the kitten) have the zoomies in the background of part 3.... he was a lil menace during recording! 😆
@ cuuuute 😂
The second you said legends arceus is worse than scarlet and violet I gave up on you.
My thoughts exactly
(Still watched tho)
I'm gonna try to stay as neutral as I can here. One on end, yeah I totally agree that Pocketpair designed a lot of their "Pals" to be very similar to Pokémon's designs, but that can be said to be true about *any* "monster collecting" RPG game with an anime art style. I do think it's pretty scummy on Nintendo's part to update their patent details only *after* Palworld's success as a competitor. Also, if "ball/object capture mechanic in open world game" is the problem then Pocketpair can easily just remove "Pal Spheres" altogether and just have you befriend "Pals" directly. Lastly, the patent over mounting creatures to ride around an open world is really dubious at best in my opinion. Does that patent mean Nintendo can literally sue *any* developer that made a game that features a mounting mechanic or does it only apply in the specific context of the mount having been something you've had to capture/tame?
Minecraft for example has animals that can be used as mounts like horses, including undead variants, donkeys,mules and pigs, those are the animals that players can ride, considering that Minecraft is a game that is popular,it would be funny seeing Nintendo trying to use Mojang for having rideable mounts
Proof that Nintendo and Pokemon is Greedy bunch
No I agree. I liked Scarlet and Violet way more than Arceus. Even more of a hot take: Scarlet, Violet, Gen 9 is my number one favorite gen at the moment despite its problem. Hot take, I know. Please don't bully me for having an opinion people.
Nah, I think S/V has a way better story. But! You have to at least agree Arceus did better with shinies 😅 Hearing them is much better than eyeballing 🥲
Scarlet/Violet are my 2nd favorite gen, you are so valid for this! 5th gen is still my fave but I may actually have the most hours in gen 9!
Lets not also forget that patents require the "invention" to be sufficiently unique/distinct/original; not obvious, consequential, or derivative. The fact that anyone let them patent "riding a creature you catch" or "catching a creature and adding it to your team" is insane. That's been done before Pokemon, it's been done long before 2021.
That's lawyers/magistrates that are either completely ignorant on how video games work, or bought.
Capitalists all about that "Free Market" until someone starts competing with them specifically, then suddenly it's, "Um, actually I did this _first_ so you're not allowed to, pay me."
This is a very good point! I've also heard the argument that the patents may not stand because gaming rules may not actually apply as patents but that feels like a ship that already sailed given that WB was able to successfully patent the Nemesis System.
@@amaliasolaris "Nemesis System" referring to the Shadow of Mordor/Shadow of War mechanic correct? It's very funny to me that there's a mod creator who implemented that feature into Skyrim and they weren't even the least bit shy about acknowledging the replication. The mod is even called "Shadow of Skyrim".
yeah but some things like the shadow of your hidden character in a 3D game were truly inventions
sorry, i have to disagree with you in a small part. around 12:30 you say that palworld fans are mad at nintendo to not making "games they find interesting" and that's not accurate. people is burnt with nintendo because there's been a lot of anti-consumer tactics (such as the WHOLE joycon drift issue (which nintendo denied but at the end they had to admit once court was starting to rule), the whole game being just unfinished (such as sun/moon // ultra sun/moon) AND the insane amount of performance issues (present on scarlet/violet) for a full priced game. but not only that, they took the stake against the fans as they took down SEVERAL hackrooms websites that literally had nothing to do with piracy... and then the "piracy" concerns at taking down emulators (Which btw, are legal) instead of taking down the pirated games which would have been the better answer. (remember that with DMC and copyright rights you can make them vanish quite easily). also the whole switch being underpowered AF, it has been proved that a linux distribution running a switch emulator IN THE SWITCH performs 2-2.5 times better than a regular switch itself which -if you ask me - is just testament of how anti-consumer they are because they had 7 years after the release to optimize it and they just did not. palworld issue is just the last drop... because it is an anti-consumer tactic because they are ilicitly trying to smash the competency, it's a monopoly tactic (don't forget that temtem is made by a spanish company and laws are quite different here in spain, if nintendo tried to sue temtem nintendo would be swept into a trash can, not only because spain laws but also EU laws but on the other hand pocket pair is japanese company). and beyond everything they are just a shame themselves. japan is known by their honor code, but ilicit and unetic tactics are everything but honorable, while they make certain sense in a bussines scheme (and i say "certain" because the consecuences are allways paid by the consumer, so by definition they are an anti-consumer tactic) they don't make ANY sense if you hold the "honorable" title.
and to ask if they love pokemon/palworld i don't understand where you asked for, because both in fb palworld and reddit groups there allways are polls (in fb a new one shows up every 4-5 months) and the results are the same, people (me included) love palworld and used to love pokemon before it became a moneygrab and run. for example i can tell you that my absolute favorite games are diamond and Legends:Arceus. and i love the absurdly amount of shenanigans you can do in palworld. X is a weird world because it's not the same kind of engagement that the other two allow.
your opinion about palworld being unable to innovate should be applied to the pokemon company too. they spent the last 20 years doing the same, they copied digimon's temporal evolution... they don't even care about what issues people are getting in their games XD whilist poket pair is allways listening to the community and tweaking even the tiniest of the details even if it will take collosal amount of efforts to do so (such as the seamless world update in the craftopia game, which was 100% unnecessary but they rewrote THE ENTIRE game just to give us what we asked for while at the same time keeping up with the regular updates (so technically they developed 2 games at the same time) and they allways have been transpartent about their ideas and they put the consumer first. they could have made palworld a "game as service" to get even more money and they decided they would not because it would have hurt the ones who purchased the game in the first place... it feels like you don't know anything about pocket pair and your opinion is just based on what media has portrayed them.
i really really really have certain concerns about who you really asked about their opinion on palworld/pokemon liking... because it feels like it's absurdly biassed.
Hi, I appreciate this comment a lot! If you're concerned about who I've been asking, it was really just people that I knew played the game and I poked around on various social media sites as well.
With that being said, since you're a fan of Palworld, I am very curious about why you like the game! ^-^ I see why you dislike Nintendo and those are very reasonable grievances to have! I also see that you're pleased with Pocketpair's handling of updates and feedback. But I want to know what about the game is drawing people to it that doesn't necessarily have to do with them being upset with Nintendo. So far, I have found no one who really could answer that and I found that... odd. But maybe you'll be the first! \o/
Way to prove her point here. I mean she says people on Palworlds side seem to be mainly motivated by their dislike for Nintendo/Pokemon and you break out into this huge rant just because she did not list the specific reason you dislike them.
@@amaliasolarisWell I’m afraid to tell you but by the comment I posted a couple of days ago,
It’s because I found out when I about to play its competitor Miraibo GO until I saw body types instead of Genders.
And PocketPair lets you make the Avatars in Palworld ugly and not beautiful like your Vtuber avatar.
I’m sorry but it’s true,
@LuigiTheMetal64 was right.
👏👏👏👏
I love LPA (Legends Arceus) but man... Nintendo ans TPC suck A$$ for being this petty
Also I like Palworld
This wasn't the first time.
Cool Video
Thank you! ^-^
Honestly, I think if Pocket Pair were to win the lawsuit, it would set a worse precedent that a smaller company could make big money by infringing on copyrights, but making it legally distinct enough to get away with it.
Hate Nintendo or Pokemon all you want but don't condemn the creature designers who had their work so obviously stolen, but are powerless to fight it because of the barely legal distinction.
The designers are not the ones filing the lawsuit, they are not pushing hard to meet deadlines that result in sub-par games, they are simply artists.
Yes I know the lawsuit isn't about the obviously stolen designs, but it would have been if it weren't for the legal distinction, the patent lawsuit, in my opinion, is only happening instead because they can't sue for copyright infringement. Yeah this could set a precedent as well, but I don't think Nintendo or Game Freak will use it on anything else unless it's a company that does the same thing as Pocket Pair. So all your other indie monster catchers that didn't obviously copy designs, are safe.
Honestly I feel like if either side just wins we gamers loose.
If Nintendo wins then it may scare off some smaller developers from actually making good games and even if Nintendo doesn't sue everyone they could sue, there could be other big companies who suddenly try to make extra money with these kind of lawsuits.
But if Palworld wins then the scenario that you describe will likely happen.
Overall I'd say the best outcome would be an out of court compromise where neither side fully wins.
Respectfully i disagree.
In no way would palworld winning set that precedent, there is a difference between copying, inspiration, and using the same source material. Heck if anything that "precedent" would have been set when Pokemon almost 1 to 1 copied Dragon Quest or when Digimon, Coromon, Nexomon, Temtem, Etc popped up.
This is not for the Artists this is because Sony was partnering up with PocketPair to expand the Palworld IP and Nintendo benefits greatly if they can crush potential competition while its still small AND deal a blow to Sony, i also dont know why you have so much faith that Nintendo would not abuse this if they win considering what Nintendo has gone after people for in the past.
@@lvlHive yeah... No. The pokemon and dragon quest thing is inspiration. The designs in question looking nothing alike. Palworld though is plagiarism that did just enough to be legally distinct, not inspiration.
Now as for Nintendo going after people in the past, to my knowledge they only have gone after people making fan games for profit, they rarely bother with non-profit fan games. And if Nintendo wanted to crush competition, they would have gone after every monster catcher, cassette beasts, temtem, farmagia. They have not and will not.
Farmagia being a good example of a monster tamer that they are fine with, considering it not only is coming to switch, but it got featured in a direct which means they know of it.
Also pointing out that anyone who uses the dragon quest argument is just another person with a hate boner for pokemon and nintendo, those are the only people that ever use that shit when it's fairly obvious that it's a case of inspiration and not plagiarism.
@@altermann1991 I honestly dont think smaller companies will be scared to do anything since everyone knows monster catching games are not a problematic genre to make, it only becomes problematic if you are clearly taking something from pokemon and doing the bare minimum to change it like with Pocket Pair
@@pokegamer1216 The hypocrisy is astounding.
First