Ride Faster: Top Tips From Ineos' Aero Mastermind Dan Bigham

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  • Опубліковано 3 гру 2024

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  • @mikefebbo7149
    @mikefebbo7149 Рік тому +55

    This is the type of content I want from GCN. As a technical journalist myself, I want to see Dr. Ollie doing deep dives with industry experts. He’s educated to the point where he can carry on an intelligent interview while still keeping it understandable and informative for all levels of viewers. Well done. More of this, please.

  • @adsteventon
    @adsteventon Рік тому +161

    Ollie getting a free consultation prior to the TT season 😂

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  Рік тому +15

      What a sneaky boy 👀

  • @ethangodridge6833
    @ethangodridge6833 Рік тому +96

    What a nice guy Dan Bigham is. I listened to him on various podcasts and thanks GCN for the video.

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  Рік тому +2

      Glad you liked it!

  • @thomasdavidbassett483
    @thomasdavidbassett483 Рік тому +83

    Definitely the best Q and A I have seen. Well done to you both.

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  Рік тому +2

      Glad you enjoyed it! What did you learn? 👀

  • @chrispyy606060606
    @chrispyy606060606 Рік тому +30

    I’m only halfway through this and have to comment. This is one of your best videos, thanks for hosting this interview with Dan.

    • @GCNuser123
      @GCNuser123 Рік тому +4

      cheers mate! share it if you like it. really helps us out👊

    • @chrispyy606060606
      @chrispyy606060606 Рік тому

      Already shared with my cycling club mates. If you have a part 2 ask him about handlebar width. 🙂

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  Рік тому

      @@chrispyy606060606 Thanks for sharing! You'll be the most aero club on the roads 🙌

  • @peacay
    @peacay Рік тому +6

    The 3 big things for me are: the drops do not do what you thought they did, tubeless over tubular and I must get some aero socks. Best vid since Inigo San Milan. These science-y, tech-y deep dives are the best of GCN. Thanks O-man!

  • @BreakawayB
    @BreakawayB Рік тому +10

    Dan is so well-spoken, great interview.

  • @mattszrejter6785
    @mattszrejter6785 Рік тому +12

    Best interview to date! Fantastic insight, not just into aerodynamics but cooling as well. Dan really was hitting the marks. Bravo!

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  Рік тому

      Thanks a lot! Glad you liked it

  • @philadams9254
    @philadams9254 Рік тому +5

    Wow. Big insights! That one about the heat is interesting. 1% efficiency drop per degree is huge.

  • @hestefar2
    @hestefar2 Рік тому +6

    PLEASE can we do another one about body position? It seems so crazy to discus water bottles before the question of body position which accounts for so much of the overall wind resistance! Also, a bit more about fabrics would be very informative.

  • @brunoserafim4599
    @brunoserafim4599 Рік тому +1

    This is pure gold, that guy has a lot of knowledge about the subject. Thanks GCN!

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  Рік тому

      We loved sitting down with Dan.. he's a fountain of aero knowledge 🙌

  • @mathewrose2951
    @mathewrose2951 Рік тому +10

    Today I learned my gloves are costing me watts. Also losing watts by wearing a regular jersey instead of a skinsuit, using round bottles, etc. Good thing. I can still ride on Zwift and be virtually aero while staying comfortable.

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  Рік тому +2

      If you wear aero clothing on Zwift that makes you virtually faster though, right? 😉

  • @JDWong1
    @JDWong1 Рік тому +5

    It’s quite interesting to contemplate how using some of the things discussed might possibly help the average road rider. Specifically, lone rides vs group rides.

  • @chrisridesbicycles
    @chrisridesbicycles Рік тому +11

    Super interesting talk. Thanks for that Ollie. A Q&A with questions from the audience would be super interesting. I‘d love to know if for example testing different tires is even possible for mere mortals. I‘d question that I can ride in a similar enough position over multiple runs but I have no idea how much this matters. The „don‘t have your tires wider than the rim“ rule is something really practical that everyone can adopt. More of that please.

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  Рік тому

      Great idea! Let's see what we can do in 2023! 👀

  • @Hambini
    @Hambini Рік тому +14

    My top tips are first to buy a mirror and go side on. Then follow the Hanseatic rule of aero which is "the best way to make something faster is to get rid of it".
    Remove:
    Loose clothing
    Gaps in your body eg behind your head
    Gaps in the frame
    As much frontal area as you can
    The concept of requiring a wind tunnel is a myth. You'll get 98 percent of the way there with a mirror and a turbo, the wind tunnel is only going to be applicable for the small differences and for those riders who are going very fast and or in a velodrome

    • @oekmontb.9814
      @oekmontb.9814 Рік тому +3

      True words. However most people won't have such en easy time identifying what is better and what's not. I think this is the main reason why the bike industry changed the focus from weight to aero. Weight can be measured by anyone with a kitchen scale. The aero focus opened the world for bs marketing. This and ceramic bearings

    • @michaeltan511
      @michaeltan511 Рік тому

      I don’t understand why many are so obsessed about the view of their body position from the side… yes it helps to a degree but you would think that reducing your frontal area would be more critical than how you look from the side

  • @Gibbo63
    @Gibbo63 Рік тому +2

    Great interview Ollie. Dan’s interviews are always good.

  • @paulmorrison30
    @paulmorrison30 Рік тому +4

    This was exceptional 👏🏾

  • @Aeronwor
    @Aeronwor Рік тому +3

    Great interview.
    As somone who really suffers in the heat, I was suprised by what he said about heat not being recognized as an issue, as most riders instinctivly unzip their jerseys on long climbs. I have notced myself, on my commute (my most often used training route), that doing a max effort overdressed or in really hot weather is a few minutes slower than in the spring, slightly underdressed.

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  Рік тому +1

      Bet you're even quicker on the way back from work too 😉

  • @crtn4838
    @crtn4838 Рік тому +5

    YESSSSSSS
    AN ABSOLUTE PHENOM FOR AERO
    YAHHHHHHHHH
    Haven't even started the vid but I know it'll be a ripper

  • @jeremynorth
    @jeremynorth Рік тому

    Even though I'm not particularly interested in the subject, it's always a delight to listen to an expert such as Dan, speaking so passionately about it

  • @douglaspate9314
    @douglaspate9314 Рік тому

    Dan is an amazing guy! It is a pleasure to know him!

  • @csaba675
    @csaba675 Рік тому +2

    Two comments. 1: aero depends on speed. Same change can cause no difference at 20k/h some advantage at 30k/h and a game changer at 40!
    2: the legs are interesting as they are moving much slower than the bike when coming back on the bottom, and faster than the bike when pushed in the top half circle of the motion!

  • @flurblewibble7735
    @flurblewibble7735 Рік тому

    Excellent video. Dan Bigham comes across so well. Very, very impressed all round.

  • @philbailey2647
    @philbailey2647 Рік тому +2

    This would also be a great long edition podcast! Interesting stuff

  • @tr2340
    @tr2340 Рік тому +15

    Loved this, thank you GCN. Can’t believe we found a bigger aero geek than Ollie 😂

  • @federicomurero1
    @federicomurero1 Рік тому +1

    Beautiful conversation! Make another one!

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  Рік тому

      Thanks a lot! For something similar you could check out our 'Cornering masterclass' film on GCN+ 👉 gcn.eu/7Pp

  • @MisterAndyS
    @MisterAndyS Рік тому

    Great chat between "n Bigham" and "ver Bridgewood" as indicated at bottom left.

  • @rmb_dev
    @rmb_dev Рік тому +2

    Would be interesting to see Hambini and Bigham's conversation one day...

  • @emmabird9745
    @emmabird9745 Рік тому

    Most interesting, one of your best yet. Aero applies to us all. Thanks.

  • @user-cx2bk6pm2f
    @user-cx2bk6pm2f Рік тому

    Damn Ollie, fantastic video! Priceless info and education. Who better than Dan Bingham to enlighten us. 👍

  • @robwelsby5196
    @robwelsby5196 Рік тому

    An excellent and fascinating video. Though as someone who lives in tropical Singapore, I am certainly very much aware of the impact if temperature and humidity on performance

  • @felipethomas3828
    @felipethomas3828 Рік тому +1

    Very interesting and insightful! Thanks

  • @uzi17
    @uzi17 Рік тому

    Best Q&A!

  • @croninnicholas9063
    @croninnicholas9063 Рік тому

    Thanks Ollie got the interesting video, and massive thanks to Dan for the information. Loved the 23-30mm comment, which makes us “older “ bikes owners more included in what is ok.
    Now what are the best affordable aero socks ?

  • @jascollinscork
    @jascollinscork Рік тому

    Ooooh yeeeesss Brilliant conversation 👏🏻👏🏻 answered a pile of questions on the tip of my tounge 👍🏻

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  Рік тому

      Great! Glad to help

  • @popeyebouldercreek
    @popeyebouldercreek Рік тому +6

    Fascinating discussion, lots of aspects to consider. Of course, for me, aero isn’t what’s holding me back… 😁

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  Рік тому

      What's your biggest barrier? 👀

    • @popeyebouldercreek
      @popeyebouldercreek Рік тому +1

      @@gcntech I’m 68, 25 lbs overweight, and finally over “long COVID”. Hoping to make aero an issue inn2023! 👍👍👍

  • @urbangardan1
    @urbangardan1 Рік тому

    Thank you!

  • @russstarke6004
    @russstarke6004 Рік тому +5

    Video idea: Take a group of average or new-ish riders and take them for a ride. Half way through give each one something different to wear or use for the rest of the ride. Aero socks, helmet, optimized wheelset or whatever. Don't tell them why or give any info. See if any notice any difference at the end of the ride.

    • @stevek8829
      @stevek8829 Рік тому +1

      But, maybe newish riders would quickly tire and that would distort your results.

  • @tubbytoast2
    @tubbytoast2 Рік тому +2

    What a wealth of knowledge Dan B is ,
    It would have been interesting to know his thoughts the best gains for keen amateur / age group racing who do 40 k average speed not the 48 k + elite riders , ie tyre rim combination is say more important than a fancy one piece aero handle bar !?!?

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  Рік тому +1

      Great idea! Maybe we can get Dan back for a Q&A from our community 👀

  • @pj9375
    @pj9375 Рік тому +1

    Now the old “socks for Christmas” doesn’t sound so bad afterall 😂 Great vid, much love x

  • @chawley52
    @chawley52 Рік тому +7

    It's a proven fact that color-coordinated water bottles look better and go faster!

  • @Fauz11ukman
    @Fauz11ukman Рік тому +4

    most of us didn't need this advice for getting faster, just need more time on saddle 😂

  • @deanb61
    @deanb61 Рік тому +2

    Onesie? Combined bib and jersey? Call it what it is Ollie...it's a trisuit :)

  • @MaximilianSterlingTv
    @MaximilianSterlingTv Рік тому

    Hope youre able to talk to Dan again i really enjoyed it.
    I was curious what the aero benifits of a shallow rim vs deep rim on a climb are if any? And over a mountain stage what would the time difference be?

  • @martinpros8246
    @martinpros8246 Рік тому

    Thank you Ollie for this interview. What I didnt understand was when Dan said that the internal width of the rim should be at least of the same width as the tyre… does that mean the internal width of the rim should be at least 28 mm when I use 28 mm tyre?

  • @Allride_
    @Allride_ Рік тому

    thanks for keeping the BACKGROUND music so low!

  • @10ktube
    @10ktube Рік тому +3

    I wish we had some numbers with the statements, things like "quite a bit", "tiny", "huge amount", etc, I'm curious to see what tests have shown. I'm aware of "well it depends" with aero, but I'm still curious to see what a test yielded even if in a lab. Really, just curious, not looking to run out and say I need a new sock to go faster.

    • @JonReid
      @JonReid Рік тому

      Trainer road did this with Specialized and in general, each saving was between 3 and 8 watts, but the accumulated savings of adding this all together came to around 50 watts which is incredible.

  • @CamsJungleAquaria
    @CamsJungleAquaria Рік тому

    Would love to see another interview with hin

  • @markmlinar1511
    @markmlinar1511 Рік тому

    You need to do an aero sock shoot-out. Include some business dress socks as they appear to have the same texture as expesive race ones.

  • @galenkehler
    @galenkehler Рік тому +2

    I have to use aero bottles to give some clearance to my legs, so I don't have to ride bowlegged like a 1850s prospector.

  • @h20s8804
    @h20s8804 Рік тому

    Interesting stuff. Note: Having hot feet or hands, that 's actually a big deal. There's research to the fact your hands and feet especially are full of circulatory tissues that are responsible for cooling you down. EG - stick your hands or feet out from under the covers when you're hot at night, you'll cool down quickly and back to zzzzzz. Cool feet and hands on the bike likely are helping a lot to cool your whole bod.

  • @edwinwong9547
    @edwinwong9547 Рік тому +1

    Great interview! I didn't understand how the colour of what you're wearing works...So black or darker is better than white because it dissipates heat more efficiently, is that correct? But what about on a hot day when the sun is beating down, wouldn't white clothing reflect heat and keep the body temperature cooler, or?

  • @philscott1105
    @philscott1105 Рік тому

    This is fab.

  • @cali410
    @cali410 Рік тому

    Really interesting! Unless I missed it, is there any insight on why clinchers over tubulars?

  • @peterleffler2062
    @peterleffler2062 Рік тому

    Top man.👍

  • @glennoc8585
    @glennoc8585 Рік тому

    I now run a 23c clincher tyre that blows put to 25c on my ri n s whi ccc h have and internal width of 23mm and external of 28c. On the back I have the 25c version that close out to 27.6mm. With tubolitos I put 80psi in the front and 90psi in the back. I just got best times changing to a more aero wheel and tyre combo.

  • @mikicastan
    @mikicastan Рік тому +1

    Tubulars has nicer ride feel then any other system

  • @grahamballard7041
    @grahamballard7041 Рік тому

    Just a little tip for anyone who wants to get a hat like Ollie’s, if you can’t find one in the shops, you take a normal hat, cut the peak of the front and sew it on at the back!

  • @niklasbirksted8175
    @niklasbirksted8175 Рік тому

    MORE OF THIS

  • @brantlers
    @brantlers 7 місяців тому

    LOL at the "Phillipe Gilbert" chapter

  • @joeshmoe7967
    @joeshmoe7967 Рік тому +1

    The dream real world testing would be identical twins with near perfectly the same shape, weight, conditioning and experience. Putting them out on rides with various aero and weight tweaks, to see what really makes the difference.

  • @rudolphpyatt4833
    @rudolphpyatt4833 Рік тому +1

    What about the aerodynamic benefits of using a hub gear like the classic Sturmey-Archer three speed?

    • @markusseppala6547
      @markusseppala6547 Рік тому +2

      Too much internal losses on hub gears. Especially on those classic ones, Rohloff speedhub is a lot better but still not good enough.

  • @neilgj6305
    @neilgj6305 Рік тому +2

    For the last 20 years I have always ridden with a Camelbak and no bottles and have noticed how pure roadies look at me as odd. Here are my thoughts: Consider Motor GP racers have a built in hunch in their suits, I can take 2l of water/energy drink mix, tubes, tools etc. My bike is lighter and therefore more controllable. There is no additional wind drag on my down tube, not even bottle holders. How about doing some GCN science to see if I have a point or if I am just out of style.

    • @chrisallen2519
      @chrisallen2519 Рік тому

      Good idea ... they do it in TT... UCI have some rules..

  • @insaneanwar1728
    @insaneanwar1728 Рік тому

    Nice your video

  • @paulmiddlemass6465
    @paulmiddlemass6465 Рік тому +1

    It's true, I went out just now in just socks, no gloves, and smashed my PBs

  • @AJ-ci4zn
    @AJ-ci4zn Рік тому

    Great video. A question for #askgcntech , we are told that deeper section wheels makes a great upgrade. Is this true of cheaper wheels or just pro level ones? Presumably cheaper ones have downsides like greater rolling resistance that offsets the aero gains - or is that complete rubbish? Also, is the aero gain linear to depth or does it drop off? Or are very deep section wheels just to unwieldy in the wind? I'm thinking 40 on the front and 56 on the rear might be a sweet spot.

  • @TheMsomogyi
    @TheMsomogyi Рік тому

    Is it possible to know what the gripper used on the saddle of the Track bike is?

  • @padkinson
    @padkinson Рік тому +2

    Fantastic Q&A; awful Christmas tree

  • @vincec3590
    @vincec3590 Рік тому +1

    I don't think you asked him about narrow bars or even aero bars ? Perhaps I missed you 2 talking about it ?

  • @Ruggine85
    @Ruggine85 Рік тому

    Dan is truly a great person 👏👏👏

  • @chrisallen2519
    @chrisallen2519 Рік тому +1

    I'm no expert... but overcoming friction only makes up part of the energy put into cycling. Even with a completely frictionless system you have to spend a lot of enegry accelerating mass and lifting mass up a height. The idea that 5% reduction of friction equates to 1 day less in a grand tour does not sound right to me. ( it would be much less)

  • @danielceferinocamagay1575
    @danielceferinocamagay1575 Рік тому

    Is it easier to go aero on bullhorns than dropbars?

  • @living4adrenaline
    @living4adrenaline 6 місяців тому

    Excellent points re cooling, they say wearing glasses saves 1 watt, I would argue one loses more than that especially if they're wearing glasses that covers a large prtion of their face due to facial warming.

  • @daness40
    @daness40 Рік тому +2

    Is Dan Bigham Harry Potter in an alternate reality?

  • @PaulJakma
    @PaulJakma Рік тому

    Re cooling and no one thinking about it... Go watch the documentary on Chris Boardman's Merckx hour record attempt. His skinsuit was sprayed with alcohol before the attempt. To.... help keep him cool. That was mid 90s.

  • @seligseligabc123
    @seligseligabc123 Рік тому

    Hi, you didn't ask Dan how drag effective aero helmets are on average watt %age savings.?🤓

  • @ralfmimoun2826
    @ralfmimoun2826 Рік тому

    Great stuff, but the main topic remained untouched:
    To shave or not to shave (the legs)?

  • @blaze1148
    @blaze1148 Рік тому

    Don't forget - cycling at 15mph with a 10mph headwind is exactly the same as riding 25mph.....so any aero saving is good even though you may not be a strong rider.
    Another point straight arms on the drops is better than straight arms on the hoods.....I think this was confused with the aero position on the hoods.

  • @BRU-66
    @BRU-66 Рік тому +1

    Philippe Gilberts example?

  • @wadedavis5727
    @wadedavis5727 Рік тому

    I’ve never seen any data regarding how important being aero is while riding in a group.

  • @Jam789
    @Jam789 Рік тому

    Europe weather is always cold, try to ride in the tropical area. It is different story

  • @ds6914
    @ds6914 Рік тому +1

    Aero sock's v normal bib tights? Somebody must know!

  • @Brunowskybr
    @Brunowskybr Рік тому

    Morning

  • @GregBecker
    @GregBecker Рік тому

    Fillipo has been around the block enough times? I thought he went around the track?
    🙂

  • @greggsenne1268
    @greggsenne1268 Рік тому +1

    In cycling the correlation between price and performance is weak.

  • @t_h_visuals
    @t_h_visuals Рік тому

    Best upgrades:
    Wheels…..nope
    Bars……..nope
    Aero helmet……nope
    Funky Socks……definitely

  • @benconnor4848
    @benconnor4848 Рік тому

    If socks are so important, should we be looking at shoe covers too?

  • @douglasbooth6836
    @douglasbooth6836 Рік тому

    With the sock isn’t because your leg is also travelling faster than you are so the air speed is much greater passing the leg?
    GCNs old aero expert has on his website stats on water bottle positions.
    Drops against hoods is difficult because of holding those positions.
    It’s not just cyclists that think “this is what we’ve always done” it’s people. The temp thing is obvious, do a workout inside with no fan at room temperature and you will see how it affects you. Most of us have done already.
    Dan was never my favourite commentator but he’s def lifting his game here. Far more personable and interesting than his usual interviews.
    He’s in Andorra tax dodging. 😂😂

  • @dpaulsen1
    @dpaulsen1 Рік тому

    I’m enjoying the bike so far ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA My only real complaints are the brakes and the pedals. I feel like a bike designed for bigger people should have much larger pedals and more heavy duty brakes. I’ve only gotten two really good rides out of it, minimal downhill action, and the brakes feel like they’re already going out. A larger person has more momentum, so I think this wasn’t thought through very well. Also, I wear size 13-14 wide shoes. My feet cramp up on these pedals that are clearly made for smaller feet. Since I’m not a pro rider (and I don’t think many are who purchase this bike) I don’t think that the straps on the pedal are necessary at all. None of this takes away from the enjoyment I get from riding, however. I’ll just head to a bike shop to improve on a few things.

  • @chrisj1409
    @chrisj1409 Рік тому +2

    Dan is a great chap, with awful taste in Christmas trees.

    • @glennoc8585
      @glennoc8585 Рік тому

      Tree was feeling a bit naked by the looks

  • @norahluxroodlichttherapie6860

    I've been at pro rider's door and they would not take a very expensive red light therapy light for free!? They are probably afraid of the massive gains they can make ! I would take 1 for free even if i'd never use it....But i'm not a cyclist :p

  • @richardharris8538
    @richardharris8538 Рік тому +2

    Ollie didn't ask Dan about the persistent headwind that some of us suffer. Admittedly, sometimes it's only a cross/headwind. But I guess Ollie isn't old enough to have experienced this phenomenon. 🤔

  • @crypcase150
    @crypcase150 Рік тому

    Infinity club
    The car Crash review fiesta jaguar

  • @MTBScotland
    @MTBScotland Рік тому

    Why does Ollie's hair always look like he is sitting on a Van De Graaff?

  • @lurlino
    @lurlino Рік тому

    “The leg aero component is important”. ? Time to rethink cleanly shaven legs and disrupt the surface layer naturally.

  • @Grunchy005
    @Grunchy005 Рік тому

    I just like riding, I don’t get this race bicycle nonsense. If I were actually in a hurry I’d just take the Honda.

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  Рік тому

      Great to hear you love riding! Cycling means different things to all of us. From tech obsessed nerds like Ollie to those that just love the open road like yourself, that's the joy of cycling! 🙌

  • @James-zu1ij
    @James-zu1ij Рік тому

    Roll therm in glitter...I nearly shit my self laughing. Are some of the riders shit?

  • @imadogsass6717
    @imadogsass6717 Рік тому +1

    The biggest aero killer is you, the cyclist, change yourself first.
    Then buy all the junk you want.

  • @jrclad2964
    @jrclad2964 Рік тому

    "Aero" is only valuable for pros, apart from that it is only money grabbing !

  • @Alan_Hans__
    @Alan_Hans__ Рік тому +4

    Talking 1% when it comes to a grand tour is probably a bit ingenuous. Other than the time trials the cyclists aren't running at 100% capacity for anything like the full duration of a days cycling. There's probably less than 1hr a day when the cyclists are running up against their limit. For hour records or time trials the 1% is important but grand tours is more about cycling brains and the support of the team and most importantly the ability to climb.

    • @GCNuser123
      @GCNuser123 Рік тому +6

      you don’t need to be riding at 100% exertion for your tyres to be running at 100%