Carnage Episode 49 - We Start Building Our VN Commodore - Supermang
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- We buy a VN Commodore, and spend the most money on buying a new project car EVER! We're going to fit an L67 Supercharged Six and then boost up the power with the factory Supercharger and then we'll fit a turbo.
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Whoever put the music overlay on when Scotty was greasing up the bearings deserves an Oscar
4k isn't crazy anymore, the days of $300 immaculate VNs are gone. What a find! Love this series :)
TheIXXID too true its a sad world
8k for ma good one like that nowadays
I used to make fun of these until the day my mate picked up one of these and took me for a drive. One owner, 175,000km and garaged all its life.
Man they are so spacious and comfortable, suspension soaks up the bumps and you can stretch your legs which is ideal if you're taller.
It got into a crash and was written off, it wasn't even my car and im still sad thinking about it. Definitely an Australian classic. Great video.
There's a reason everyone learns wheel bearings at 16. Because by that point the person doing the hard work can't stand doing them anymore and wearing their palms raw that they hand it down to the new kid
Lol at the raunchy music while Scotty packed that bearing 👌👌👌😄😄😄
4:27 that surprise reaction when your GM product actually starts and runs for once
Digg'n the 70's porno music while greasing wheel bearings!
Glad people got the reference
For brake calipers, FT is considered a calibrated measurement to achieve. That or 10 ugga-duggas at 100PSI. IF the bolt snaps, you did it too toight.
Cross threaded or torqued to spec... Tight is tight
4k seems like a bargain for a VN. They were a nice car to hoon in
I guess times change, I sold my VN Berlina to a mate(years ago) for $1500 and pretty sure at the time I'd ripped him off... lol.
This bloke is actually pretty bloody good
Heck yeah
I have a feeling that the mangmang may go bangbang
mang mang mang mang darren darren darren darren
I think thats a pretty safe bet. Whats the popular opinion on first death. Crank. Head gasket or transmission?.
Doing a fuel pump and bearings never looked so sexy Scotty! It was actually terribly boring until the filter came out, lol. I'd not call 4k too much for it, in good condition and becoming rare like HQ Kingswoods. Almost as good as project bluebird
I remember the VN when they were new. As an apprentice they pulled like a freight train up to about 80kms an hour, but ran out of puff pretty quickly. But they were allot better than the EA with the 3 speed auto, geez, they were bad accelerators, but better top end.
Ea multipoint 5 speed was a quick car for the day
The max performance ea looks so good
Nothing is more satisfying than fixing your vehicles issues after taking an educated guess and or some time in rectifying. Man I love that feeling makes me shout out '' F@#K YEAH!!! " when the issue(s) resolved
i'd love to give this thing a nice polish and get rid of that oxidisation.
Same!!!
I'd still be pumped to see a turbo installation on the Barina. I don't know why I am so hooked on the Barina, because I've never seen one before, but I'd be really interested in seeing you run it at the strip with the bigger engine standard, and then installing a properly designed turbo kit and running it again at the strip to see how much it's picked up. That being said, I'm really excited to see how this old girl does!
I've got Barina plans
Problem with big power in little light cars like the barina is getting power down to the ground.
Glad I'm not the only one that picked up on the Ron Jeremy music while he packed the bearings. Genius editing
Had an old vn was the best car I ever owned. Flogged the absolute guts out of it! Had a locked diff only thing I ever had to fix on it was power steering pump. It lived in limiter & I used to blow sets of tyres every week as a young fella. looking back I should of stuck it in the garage it was quite a clean example too.
Adult warning needed for Scotty packing grease
The music makes it haha
Buy that wheel bearing a drink first Scotty!
My first job was working for John at DEER PARK MOTORS, Mechanical basic work, tyres, wheel bearings ,tunes oil changes etc, when i was only 15 as well. :) the trick with install of wheel bearings is not to use a punch to tap them in, you use the old bearing caps to tap the new ones in. Just one slip of a centerpuch or wrong tool on the cap and you have nothing but noise and then you have to do the job all over again and most people don't buy the tools required just for replacing wheel bearings / caps ? Especially modern cars with ABS ECS etc etc. 🏎👌✌👍😊🙌 Scotty mate when doing the work on the bearings you have to have the solid table so you can tell when its metal to metal noise as well, when putting the bearing cups in, using the old cups is just as good when installing the new ones. :)
I have bought the VP calais. Picked up the L67 on the weekend. Now going to follow your lead
i have a 92 vp and it is amazing, like a big old couch. its a nice cruiser and has power when you need it.
Is it a Barra? Is it a Plane? No, it's SUPER-MANG! 🤘
MafiaboysWorld hehe haha lol 😂 Scotty had me in tears when he pulled the shifter out !!! Epic !!! To do up the cattle nut on the wheel bearing 😜👍🇦🇺
Holy crap you owned/built V6 Vengeance? How did a VN fanatic like me miss that, i used to buy Street Commodores as religiously as i have bought Street Machine (since the early 90’s to present day) and used to look forward reading the next instalment of V6 Vengeance even though my VNs were all 5Ls back then seeing a V6 one being built was so cool.
Loving this build so much, i could bore you stupid with all the VNs ive owned and still own currently the collection is around 8, VN Calais 355 project, A VN V6 skid car with twin throttles done as a atlas grey SS replica, a VN LE, VN Berlina Formula and a few VN parts cars on the farm.
But i also have a couple of AU paddock bashers out on the farm too so these days I understand how awesome AUs are.
Agreed. I got my VN long after V6 Vengeance was finished (I had a Phoenix Red VN SS) and had no idea that Scotty did that until a little while ago.
By memory they bought that car for only like $400 too. Those days have long passed.
When the dynos literally louder than the car
Nut and bolt style stainless clamps on fuel line is the right way rather than worm drive anodised clamps, they give 360 seal and dont rust.
What ever happened to the old VN that you had. I remember the build in Street Commodores back in the day. Didn't realise you were around then too 👍
Yep, that was me. I sold the car as a roller to a mate, he still has it.
@@STREETMACHINETV nice. When I seen this car I instantly thought back to that VN. Do you remember power figures? Might have to go back through your old chanell if its on there
Considering that the VN only made 125Kw at the flywheel originally 103Kw at the wheels seems really good
Excuse me Scotty its AU and then VN. UNSUBBED!
Syke! Love ya scotty, thanks for the vids at these times it means a lot. Stay healthy and safe brother.
Its NEVER VN.........NEVER!
Hahahaha cracked up with you and the shifter! 🤙🏼
Haha same
Just found this channel im glad I did now to get me chips and watch street machine for 6 hours
Back in the late 90s my parents had the option of buying a VN Berlina or an EA s pack.. we went with the EA and I've been a Ford fan ever since.. we've had that EA, 2 EF Fairmonts , an EL Fairmont, an AU forte that accomplished over 700,000kms (which still ran perfectly well when we got rid of it) an FG xr6, and a FG mk2 xr6. Great cars!
Hope to see you go all out with the supercharger and Mace performance parts. Really curious to see how much you can get out of it. Would also really like to see you go to the M122 blower instead of the turbo
I had myself an ex-pursuit 5L VN in Perth during the mid 2000's. I brought it off an old dectective who had himself a mini collection of old police vehicles, it was a piss cutter.
Gotta do an unopened na build to see how much more power can actually be made
Love this, staying tuned!
Hose clamps love sockets.Check your battery fluid level with a coin less damage than a screwdriver
I'm super glad your you g this direct Scotty, I was worried you were gona leave it stock and wind up stock supercharger.
Buys l67 dose no support mods only changes pulley
Knock knock my freind.
Who is it rod number 5 is busting out like police busting in ya door
I've fitted a VH41 Nissan V8 in my VN Calais.
Interested to see your guys results. Good work
Very under rated donk! And something a little bit different. Nice work Bear 👍
The Lolz!
Shifter on spindle nut for the win, You bastard I spat coffee when you did that...
Super cool video mang, can't wait to see more ! Thanks fellas.
I like these videos because it's not how to do things if your a 'certified dealer automotive technician' it's just how to do things
Amen. That's the aim
You need to keep the charger in place when you first add the turbo. Just to see how it goes. Then pull the charger off later.
Was thinking this. See what a Twin-Charged setup can do Scotty!
cool Are you going to use the brakes of the vt on it ?
Sweet, Scotty! Hope you & the family are all safe & well. Strange times indeed. I've been working like a demon on the Cossie Viva! Done the door gapping by welding the ends of the skins to get an even 4mm gap! Boot lid next. Shell all seam welded, stainless 3" system built (trans cross member modded to fit around it), etc. She's gonna be Street Machine mag feature worthy yet!! Cheers. Leigh.
Beautiful.. Before and after.. Dash rattle VNs, thry creaked, they cracked they rattled, and we never fixed them.. Aha, great car though, love the project.
dr scotty will see you now....
you also got the 'big' v8 brakes with that wheel package so if you go ordering discs/pads and master cylinders just be aware they are different
The supercharger idea might be cool in the long run, maybe mod the manifold and try put a second hand m112 on it?
Would love to try it
Skip the M112 and just go to a 2300 whipple lol.
@@TorqHub they make 4 litre whipples you know
Upgrade them fronts to VT style :D cuz other then better braking when comes time to replace the rotor, you don't have to do bearings (unless they are ducked lol)
7:53-7:56 ...."That's what she said"
Well played, well played indeed.
I wish the VT had this same pump design, much less of a hassle than dropping the tank and undoing all them stupid clips for the lines. Or, do what Ford did and have a boot hole access.
i remember working on these things back at Peter Terry Holden in the 90's , Factory dash rattles LOL, expand foam was official factory fix
Don't choke the Hammer Scotty. 🤣.
All good Mate, thanks for the content. Stay Safe Mate. Cheers.
Haha, I do that all the time, I'm Fitter and Turner so I should 'know better' but I just don't give a damn. Some old guy i worked with years ago would get heaps angry at me for it, so it was worth it for his reaction.
Really looking forward to seeing what you can get out of the supercharger
Ashilino 322, go over and watch Richard Holdner on UA-cam. He does a lot of Dyno testing on heaps of different combinations. He put one of these superchargers on a LS and as you would guess it didn't make anymore power. But he has a video coming out where he ads 2 of these superchargers to see if he can do boost on a budget. Plus check out his other stuff it Is a very good channel to make decisions on what to run because He tests it all for you. Check out Richard Holdner on UA-cam. Cheers.
Awesome video, love a clean sleeper VN, and in red too. Hoping the exterior and interior stay original but just cleaned up. 👍🏼
18.48 😂😂😂 legend Scotty
Good to see the old girls featured. Standing under that fuel tank, with no eye, or face protection, was scary if a gush of petrol rushed out.
Scotty i hope you got a E85 fuel sender casket to suit the VN, as that old casket is not going to last long at all, get a new one mate?
All you ever needed was a couple inches to get the job done hey Scotty 😂 👍
about bloody time
Sorry that our free service isn't quick enough for you
@@STREETMACHINETV lol
7:50 is that manifold for the Taxi?
Keep up the great work guys, can’t wait to see what power you get out of the old Mang-o.
Gonna give her a name, or just keep it as the VN?
My VP 5speed made 96.2rwkw. Gutless aha
Hahaha, funny to think a 2.0L corolla probably does that now hey? 😂
They came with a 137hp ish so that's not too bad considering its 28+ year old so 129hp isn't too bad.
Dude, Autobarn Frankston carries heaps of stock of Raceworks products and E85 submersible hose if you ever need it in the future. can buy the hose off the roll, so as long or short as you need.
Compared to the VL NA the VN series 1 was a powerhouse. Yours even has the optional big brakes. My dads old Vacationer series 1 didn't even have 4w disk brakes and the fronts were like the base VL.
When you get new shock absorbers keep the thick wire that holds them compressed and cut them in half, bend them into a S shape and you'll have a set of brake caliper hanging hooks. Instead of hanging them by the hose. You can hang them up out of the way for removing/replacing the suspension parts.
I don't know who did the audio for this episode, but the music that subtly comes in at the greasing of the wheel bearing had me genuinely laughing out loud. Well done 👍
I edited this one - Scotty
I love the oil on the ground at 1:23 under the VN hhahahahaah mang mang
Not oil, just a spot where the paint isn't there
There ea has the might fg Barra in....are you nervous😬
*their
Tim Smith me don’t knows these things mate
@@clint.garage.6092 no worries
Nothing says "poor life choices" like a VN in the driveway.
As a12 year old kid when the vn came out it’s looked like a space ship
I was 18 when they came out and yeah I felt the same. If fact it took me a couple years to tell the EA and VN apart because they looked so similar. I'd be like, oh there's a new Commodore, oh no it's the new Falcon.
future reference.... The fuel pump sender unit has a flat section on the circle bit you took off when marking, That flat section sits at the top so its in the correct position in tank
Thanks for the tip, I didn't actually notice that
@@STREETMACHINETV Yeah ive done the same mate i didnt know either for a long time
It's already built
Good stuff Scotty! I've owned both those Commodores. Nice project.
why new wheel bearings so early, my ford 1 owner has done 420,000 and never had bearings
Damian Gillett could have bashed the wheels into kerbs or potholes..pretty easy way to upset a bearing...
Great video I like the volvo ! conversion my 240 volvo wagon Ls3 and so on 9in but I did like that build
were is the next few eps man i need to soo this coz im working on a v commy as well
THIS IS GREAT EA VS VN MMMMMMMMMMMM.
Getting a twitch in my pants over this series
Loving the project
Is this a 20k build or what's a realistic cost to do this jobbie at home?
About 20k if you re do everything if going blown
15 for the turbo set up properly
I did the supercharged option cost 20 all up then wanted more power with out spending 10g on a whipple charger so I went turbocharged and am between 450 and 500 rwk and is notorious for killing gearboxes tho
It all depends on how much you can do yourself. The L67 is pretty tough to start with, so as long as it's in good condition to start with you'll get away with some basic maintenance. Throw on some mls gaskets and arp head studs if you can with a basic head service should be $1.5k all up.
Going turbo from the get go is the cheaper and will make more power.
If you can fab your own intake adaptor in place of the blower or use an ecotec intake with minor mods you'll save lots of coin. $200
You should be able to do a fuel system with 2 pumps, surge tank, hoses, injectors and adjustable reg for around $1.5k. Less if you can buy good second hand injectors.
You should be able to fab log manifolds, dump pipes, exhaust and mufflers for about $2k finished.
I'd go with a BA-BF Barra spec Garrett GT3582R either rebuilt or good condition 2nd hand (with modded wastegate flap), yes it's a boring choice but it is perfectly sized, runs the numbers, is cheap and far simpler to fab the manifolds and dump due to the internal gate. Expect to pay $600-$1500 depending on condition.
Intercooler and piping 1k by the time you buy joiners and clamps etc.
Ecu choice comes down to budget, you could buy a second hand ecu which does the job for a few hundred and wire it yourself. Or go the plug and play option for more like $2k. Another $1k tuning.
The gearbox and converter is where all the money will go, probably $4-$5k there.
Diffs are strong already but factor a couple of grand for new harrop lsd including fitting if you aren't confident with diy.
Oh man... Really has been a while since V6-Vengeance hasn't it? Sure as hell making ME feel old! I actually had a 'subscription' to STREET COMMODORES back in the day, pretty much just to make sure I never missed anything on the progress of that project! Heck, I'd go so far as to say that a great deal of my interest in 'aftermarket modification and performance' was motivated by that magazine and V6 Vengeance (admittedly along-side the first 'The Fast and the Furious' movie).
Anyway, you can rest assured that I'll be following this build just as closely!
These days I have "Baby", my series 2 VX Berlina to mess around with. She'll only ever be a "Daily", but I still have plenty of plans all the same. Performance wise, that means a full NA rebuild of the Ecotech with a bunch of extra bits culminating in a 'mild' (stage 1) cam overhaul. I'll only be able to so much myself, with limited tools and no 'workshop space' (beyond the driveway of my flat), but I definitely plan to 'get my hands dirty' and do what I *can* do myself. And who knows, once things start opening up again, maybe I'll see you at Calder, or far more likely since I'm in Bendigo - Heathcote!
~JD
Yeah it was a long time ago now
Are you going to put solex locks in it Scotty?
Haha
I had those bad boys on my Gemini, stupid things.....
I love the VN commodore
VN Berlina's had Steel Wheels with hubcaps. The Allioy's are the correct option for the VN. I think from memory, it was an option through 'Holden By Design'.
Actually those VN alloy rims were a standard option not a Holden by design option
A VN predates HBD by many years.
Also, get some tube cutting shears man, heaps good to chop hoses
Thought that " greased up bearing" was gunna clout him when he spun the hub around.
Thanks for entertaining us Scott :)
wow, never knew about the wheels. i had a VN berlina about 10yrs ago with them, (bought it for $1200, sold for $1500 unregistered due to not loving it before rego)
there are wheel bearing packing tools, seen kincrome branded ones apparently work well
you'll find you got the 15' wheels due to having the v8 brakes
Efi solutions in kilsyth/croydon has submersible e85 hose in store all the time.
Take care of this crapadore, very good condition, worth dollars
about 4.5k dollar bucks now.
🤣 love the bluey currency... dollar bucks 😜
Value and cost are two very different measures. I personally am appalled at the thought of anybody paying that much for a friggin shitbox vn. But some people think a painting by a colourblind maniac who chops his own ears off if worth millions so who knows.
Torque for the street
HP for the track.
Horsepower for the pub, Torque for the track
I’d tidy that vn up and put it in a time capsule. It’s a pretty good buy
It was a great buy, we got it at the right time
Easier sometimes to just slap new rotors on. No need to punch out old races and you know the brakes will be mint
What about the internal rubber return line. They are gone by now and are good to replace
I wonder how good you can do for the 3.6 Alloytech? I mean factory twin vvt, designed by Ricardo who engineered racecars for mclaren, factory forged crank, twin oil squirters coil on plug etc..
I'm sure it's gotta be good for 700+ with the right set of parts and a good 30pounds. but no one has done anything with these engines, so we don't know.
The engine held so much promise but never really delivered
Also scotty mate those wires ,you should have solied them together and then put the crimp connectors on, due to the E85 fuel issues, Just saying buddy. :)
Another great video
loving the videos, ive got a project car which is my au skid car, and im mounting up my fuel cell holden's are 10x easier to mount up a cell i gotta get someone to weld a plate so i can have the cell to mount up somewhere, anyways good luck with it guys,
The bends on the fuel pump unit have huge restrictions on the bends.Your flow rate will be affected.Old days just run it real horsepower
I'm betting that odo isn't showing the full extent of its history. notorious for having a drive gear break when the set button is pressed (vn to vs). easy fix though, judging by the low amount on the trip meter it was changed recently
The rest of the car is tight, we reckon it's genuine