If they don’t address the QUALITY issues then they’ll continue to lose customers. The horror stories out there of products produced after 2020 is unbelievable.
@@AmpedtoGlamp Well as long as uneducated consumers keep showing up, don't get or do any inspection and keep buying without having done their research, nothing will change for the better.
@@AmpedtoGlampAgree 100% Every RV mfg can easily switch to web-portal based ordering and options selections - regional distribution centers pickup! Sorry but shiester dealers have ruined the experience
I want an RV so bad… but the quality issues, poor service, and insane prices terrify me. I’ve read through a lot of BBB and forums. These companies ruin people’s lives.
I hope every manufacturer and dealer goes out of business for what they did during the pandemic took advantage of customers price gouging they should all be ashamed of themselves for what they did
Price gouging is what exacerbated the “inflation” issue. Businesses saw an opportunity to raise their prices and increase their profits by simply blaming inflation. No other reason.
If things are so bad, why are used prices still so high? People are trying to get back the money they paid when their junk was new and is now well-used. They become convinced they will get their money back because they see what new is going for, so they sit on them for a few years. Now, they are leaking and stinking so bad that all they can do is haul them to the dump. They get no money back, and no one has been able to use them.
I have a 2015 Jayco towable and we were thinking about upgrading recently. So I started doing research and after all the horror stories about their quality there is no way I am upgrading. Couple that with the increasing campground rent and forget it. We are looking at getting out of the rv life altogether after 20+ years.
It saddens me that you are thinking of quitting the RV lifestyle. We believe things will change in the next year or two especially with campgrounds. The market will have to drive their prices.
Campgrounds are ridiculous over past 4 years. I can’t even believe it, even to buy a shower or to park in a parking lot that charges $35 for a parking lot and 15 for a shower. Ridiculous.
Ditto to what an earlier comment echoed...Your Channel is one of the few out there that's helping to raise the consciousness (in a positive way) for both the RV industry & the RV consumer. Please keep doing what you're doing!
We will probably never buy another rv. We have a 2022 35k Fleetwood Bounder and have had so many problems! The dealership service dept also is horrible! Safe travels and hope your 2021 35k is treating you better!
I would not purchase anything made during or since Covid. If you're talking motorhomes, I would go high end for it's time, a full inspection by your third party, and pre-DEF. Best powertrain is the caterpillar 3406e or c-15, with serial # 6NZ or the 2WS paired with an Allison tranny.
Thanks you, thank you !! You guys are greatly appreciated and desperately needed. Telling the truth about the RV industry isn’t negative, it’s simply the truth. Keep up the great work. Peace & Blessings~ ✌🏽
Our friends have been looking at new RVs because she didn't want a used RV... Now they are wanting an older RV because they say the quality is horrible. They "want what we have" But our camper is 20 years old and is made with 2x4s, real cabinets, and strong quality and because they are not seeing that in the newer RVs, they are now looking at older "used" RVs just for the quality itself
There was an era when some manufacturers were putting out quality. I'm talking about some Carriage models like Royal's International, Emissary and Carri-Lite, Teton Homes, Lifestyle Luxury, Jayco Designer around 2016-18, older KZ Escalade and some other fifth wheels. A lot of these companies went out of business in the aftermath of the 2008 downturn.
I'm in the market of buying my first RV soon. Everything you touch on today is right on point. Just like you're calling out these dealerships issues/ problems, manufacturers need to be placed on blast as well for the poor quality work. So far, I've narrowed my choice to a 2025 Flagstaff ROO (If you see one at the Hershey RV show, please get a review). It gives me more space with quality workmanship along with additional bells and whistles. Keep in mind that towables were not my original choice. I wanted a class A motorhome, but the cost is too much for a person on a fixed income.
Covid resulted in the RV industry selling about 5 years stock in 2 years at highly inflated prices….many of those sales were to newcomers who are now exiting quickly…huge production with inadequate and poorly trained staff, fettered or overpriced supply chains have also turned many believers away from the lifestyle. Overcrowded State and privacy parks have contributed to the exit as some states raise prices and give preferential access to state residents. An emerging recession which is seeing lifestyle products (cars, boats, RVs) as unnecessary luxuries…A perfect storm.
One thing to remember is many years ago, a HUGE company said something about, “quality goes in, before the name goes on”. The rv industry is flooded with so many different floorplans, they lost focus on their original mission of the actual product, they wanted to deliver to the public. Prices are ridiculous for the basic storage and amenities of these products. I am looking to buy, however, quality workmanship and a decent price needs to return…I have a tent and I will use it! It used to be a practical market, until that returns, sales will slump.
I just traded off a 2023 Apex travel trailer for a 2024 Northern spirit travel trailer because of quality. The Apex was falling apart from day one and we had 20 separate issues 1 week after taking it out. We kept being told we will fix it under warranty by the dealer. It was new old stock. We said just take it back and order a new one. They refused and just kept dragging their feet and trying to patch up the junk. 3 months later we traded new for new and took a 15,000.00 loss. We were livid but had no choice. We are happier with the layout and quality of the new one but purchased full extra protection for stupid stuff that the manufacturer refuses to stand behind.
The RV industry is the canary in the coal mine for the economy. But the quality problem has soured the stomachs of even the most likely to buy consumers. It is difficult to understand why executives do not focus 100 percent on quality.
I tell anyone that is considering buying one of these RV's, to think twice before you do. I can understand if you own one to live in. But to use as a recreational vehicle, they are not worth it. We just sold our TT. It was one of the happiest days in my life. No more forking out monthly payments, insurance, registration, and the biggest...maintenance. I feel like we hit the lottery after getting rid of ours. We took our last trip in ours from the Midwest to the Pacific Northwest this summer. Gas alone towing ours was $1600 round trip. Then add in campgrounds. Yes, some were only $10 a night. Others were as high as $70 a night. Really? To park a camper for 15 hours or so. Then you have the issue of hooking up your utilities and unhooking in the morning. Add in dumping tanks and having to find a gas station you can navigate in and out of. I'm not saying we never had fun, but looking back we could have stayed in 5 star hotels on our last trip between the gas mileage and campgrounds and made better time. They are definitely money pits.
I agree. I live in a van, a no build van, and I bought new from day one. It's been over 3 years now, and I love it when I need a break. I get to stay in 5 Star Hotels, no mortgage, no van payments, etc.. the only bad side for me is this don't get to travel because I have a full-time job and own my own business but some day .
This is the realization I'm coming to as well. Run the numbers and it just doesn't make sense (cents?). My insurance and yearly registration here in CO is outrageously high.
@@Cla55clown yeah you either love the RV lifestyle or it makes zero sense financially. I had the same experience with my cabin cruiser boat where it was the happiest day when I finally sold the thing. Yes I loved the boat, I love boating however it's so expensive I couldn't justify it when my business slowed down. This kind of stuff is only good when you've got that money flowing in.
2022 Rockwood Signature…absolutely terrible quality! I’m dealing with a cracked sidewall…for the second time!! Piece of junk. I bought new for a reason…and it was a HUGE mistake
Enjoy your content and presentation. Like a fireside chat. Quality is the biggest concern. Especially with dealerships ridiculous lengthy repair turn around times.
Thank you! Appreciate the kind words. Yes, finding the right dealership before you buy is so important. It could mean the difference between 1 week and 5 months without your RV.
Looking at a DIY sprinter van project . So much good great info on how to do it on you tube alone! And I then have high quality , what I want , and know the whole vehicle and systems 100 %. Looking at the shiny garbage they put out is amazing , greed and profit and dealer margins are crazy.
I’m thinking the same. I don’t know what I’m doing but I am a quick learner and there is no shortage of material on UA-cam. Have watched like 15 videos this week on electrical systems. Doesn’t seem that complicated now.
In many ways this is a great thing, especially for consumers and about time given the industry and its well earned poor reputation. Good manufacturers will be fine, lose the rest (including the dealers) and I’m hoping that standards improve to meet the minimum of some of the best out there. Appreciate the discussion!
The biggest single item responsible for the downfall of RVing is VALUE or lack of it. The price is not the determining factor but horrible quality and unwillingness to support products are the reason consumers have determined that the cost of these products require much more from their lives than what they receive, at any price. Those with cash will not buy overpriced and poor quality and those w/o cash will not or can not sacrifice out of their lives for overpriced and poor quality. So unless the corporate business model changes and manufacturers get smaller and mire resposnible, they can not survive market reality.
Thank you for your work in providing good quality content for consumers like me! I’m not discouraged from partaking in the RV lifestyle, just more informed and knowledgeable going forward in my participation. (and I know your goal isn’t to discourage, but to inform.) Thanks to your wonderful channel I am more educated about the road ahead! Thank you both!!
I just started watching your videos. I really enjoyed the first couple! I own a towable 2019 Coleman 263bh . We've enjoyed our camper and really enjoy our family excitements of RVing (barbeques, beaches) n friends!!. Noticed prices seem going down bit at some RV location in , SC, GA, NC. I would briefly comment on quality of our camper as satisfied customers. We purchased it brand ne in 2020)! We had only few minor stuff break ie.., toilet main water leak, and microwave glass surface plate shatter. we had it out about dozen times over past couple years. mainly the military bases in Sc, NC, . For for most part no major issues and as you mentioned in your video the cost of RV purchase was huge factor in our decision! Keep up nice videos and informative information. RV Troopers SC
This is my first time seeing your channel and it's definitely going to be one of my most watched channels concerning RV and just you people in general. I love the interaction and information you get out about this particular subject and look forward to many videos going forward.
We have been looking at RVing but the prices are insane. The reviews will make a big deal about a small plastic trash can you can get at the dollar store! The warrantees are nonexistent if you read the disclaimers! The prices at the "resort" camp grounds are just price gouging! We'll fly and stay at a Hilton and bank the money until this industry gets it's act together!
I am still waiting for prices to drop. They have lost their minds. I built out my own b class and it has just what I need and I am familiar with everything in it. Custom is like building your own house with your own taste.
Price gouging is at an all time high, and consumers are no longer so easily duped! They reap what they sow, and the market demand or lack thereof, will hopefully be the hard reset the industry needs to get back to sanity. I bought a truck to haul my aging 5th Wheel and I will gladly wait another 6-8 yrs, if not more, to even consider replacing my current RV.
With RV sales and profits down good luck getting the service department stand behind manufacturing flaws. RVing can be a costly life-style. Our first truck with only 23K miles was a nightmare repairs included an ECM, bearings, injectors and turbo. Trading it in for a new heavy duty truck with an extended warranty was grand. The 1st used 5th wheel was also a big problem needed an axle alignment and other repairs. The new 5th wheel took 8 years before showing frame flex issues. If we did it all over again, we would buy a new HD truck and 5th wheel. The 5th wheel would be hauled to a repair shop and the front reenforced with gussets welded in place. We have no faith in a factory warranty even less in an extended warranty; for good reason!
I’m a car race track guy … so basically my track membership gives me 24 days or 12 weekends in the summer..the track is a 2hour drive from home if the traffic is not insane.. if it is it can be a 3.5-4 hour drive…the idea was to buy a c class that is strong enough to have a 2 car stacker trailer in tow … so that’s at least a 10-12 thousand pound capacity.. so it takes a super c class… like a dynamic dx3 which costs for a used one like 250k …do you guys think the super c class motor homes prices will go down? Thanks
We just bought a brand new 2023 Camper Van. We got a great deal. Coachman has the best quality in the B Vans I ever seen. We have been looking since 2021 to add a camper van to our RV stable. We went to Hershey and Tampa shows the last two years looking. We already have a 43 ft diesel motorhome. Prices are getting back to the 2019 level with all the discounts on leftover 2023s. We are now a 2 RV home
Looking back to the 1980s yes the RV industry, its manufacturers, and dealers can get much worse and probably will for several reasons but greed and apathy are the biggest.
Not surprised about the campervans, which is what I have….because they’ve stopped production on the Promaster City, Nissan NV200 and the Ford Transit Connect.
There was an RV Gold Rush the last 4-5 years but now the market has changed, plus, there is wide spread knowledge that the newer RVs are junk, wildly over priced with no real warranty and customer support.
There’s whole industries built to extract as much cash from the boomers as possible. Next up is expensive crappy end of life care then $10k painted cardboard coffins. I was quoted recently $10k for filling out a Medicare application for my grandpa.
@@AmpedtoGlamp Yeah, I mistyped it was Medicaid. They say they’re “helping” by helping to spend down your assets so you’re eligible for Medicaid. The bicycle industry is having a similar slump in sales too with quality down for most and tons of bike shops closing. It’s a contraction from the COVID boom mostly, but RVs also serve a much wealthier older market so dealers and most companies took advantage while they could.
Looking to purchase a couple size travel trailer that I can pull with my half ton pickup truck The average rent in Central Florida starts at $1500 a month. One bedroom, something you would never own! I would like to know! Which manufacturer should I purchase my travel trailer from
@@AmpedtoGlamp OK, Which motorized one would you recommend? And it has to have a washing dryer. I'm really not looking to travel Just looking to cut back on my cost of renting! But I only make just a little over 75,000 a year I'm single I don't need something crazy big! Like you said the motorized ones are very expensive thanks!
Great video guys, to answer your question, I bought a ‘24 Forest River Sunseeker 3010DS in February and I must say I’m pretty pleased with it!(knock on MDF)
I've owned 3 Jayco's, a Pilgrim, Entegra and Magnitude. Without a doubt my Brinkley Z 3100 is by far the best RV I've ever owned. Zero quality issues - ZERO! I cannot believe how well made this unit is and how well it has functioned. Blue Compass dealership was amazing and honestly, I think Brinkley has nailed it.
Owned our Airstream since 1988 and have never missed a night of camping due to a component failure. Have certainly replaced/upgraded items, but never had s trip interruption. Hopefully your Brinkley holds up!! Good luck and travel safe!!
We're now thinking about getting a pre-def Country Coach. The quality is so much better than anything new. Even Tiffin is sucking air. And what do you mean the economy is bad? Our leaders say we are booming. Most vibrant economy ever.
After being in the same travel trailer for the last 15 years, we decided to look into purchasing a new one. We just came back from the 2024 Hershey rv show, and I was disappointed in how much they are asking for a travel trailer given that the quality appears to have declined. We have a minimum of 6 people in our camper, so we gravitate to bunkhouse models. Just about every model has angle cut the bunks, which makes it so 2 full-size adults no longer fit. I talked with multiple manufacture representatives, and they told me that they did it to cut down on weight and cost and to maximize space. I feel it makes the space unusable unless you have little kids. With the rising prices and declined quality, I think we will either rehab our current trailer or build out a cargo trailer.
QUALITY! First great video, but we just bought a Class A, shyed from new due to cost and shoddy quality we could see on the lot for a low mile used 2018 “precovid” Tiffin. Shocked at the value for the cost difference. Like lots of the newer tech, but even cost of updates still make it a more cost effective choice.
I wish I could be in the RV market right now. High prices, low quality, and uncertain time says be careful, save you money and stay out of the market and sit on the sidelines for the foreseeable future.
We have been ready and eager to buy a Motorhome. What is stopping us is the gross over pricing/gouging since Covid and from what we hear, difficult to impossible to get service.
I have been camping and RV’ing since 1973, and presently own a 2013 5th wheel which I have had some issues with, but have repaired all (one was covered by warranty) but one which I had to pay for. I would not buy one now as it seems the industry has been bought up in large part by Thor, and the quality and warranties have gone to garbage. It is a shame as a lot of great small companies as well as some large ones have gone out of business that built great quality products.
I bought used destination trailer 2019. It's a Hyline which is HI Enterprises. They are a small build company. They build travel Trailers and destination. They known for destinations. Also it just sits in same spot. Don't here from Utube on Hyline. It's seems like it well built. I also bought from a retired dealer who speck out the build. If you anything about them it would be appeciated.
I started a RV dealership 1970 tent camper’s started at $395 to $1100. Got out 1997 as the industry went to hell with corporations buy out long time brands.
You guys are awesome! This culmination of information and data is very useful for new[or experienced] buyers! And with all the deception in today’s media, your channel offers us clarity. Thanks a lot guys! #soblessed!
Bingo...they're getting to the price where you could almost stay in a nice hotel and not have all the work and hassle of the RV itself. My next RV will be a truck camper I can park anywhere and use year round without the expensive registration and maintenance.
@dewayne4986wilson I agree with you. We got rid of our TT last month. Happiest day of my life. The last campground we stayed at cost $71 for the night. Heck, I just stayed at a Hampton Inn last week. With my AAA discount, I got a room for $101. Plus free breakfast and bottomless coffee.
I have a 08 class a. Great product! I can't imagine getting into the rv game today. The market went to shit. Good advice. Buy used. Before covid. At least you have a soiled unit to start with .
Greetings from Spain. I was thinking of getting an RV and I started watching videos. I've seen so many videos about problems that I know I'm just going to build or rebuild my own. You RV guy's should try to get Last Week Tonight to do a show about the RV industry. If enough people started twitting and sending links, I think they would do it because, I seen so real horror stories out there, people losing there whole life in an RV. Sad.
Good video. When you talk about quality keep in mind that garbage in equals garbage out. Consider Lippert (LCI). They produce poor quality parts and components that just about if not all RV builders use. From frames, axles, appliances, furniture and other components if it comes from LCI it is sub par poorly made junk. Thank you for helping to expose the RV Industry. RIVA is part of their good old boys club and not pro consumer as they would have you believe.
Took our first trip in new travel trailer. It was a nightmare. Refrigerator failed. Heater did not work, problems with propane tanks. This after trailer was given a thorough check and commission by dealer. Worst part was response from dealer when we tried to schedule repairs. I would not purchase an RV today if I had it to do over again. If you buy, be prepared to fix it yourself on the road.
So sorry to hear about your experience. Never trust the dealership, always hire a certified inspector and don't take delivery until every thing is fixed. There are so many poorly built units out there right now.
Purchased. 2023 Winnebago ERA and 8 months later it was bought back. Zero quality control on assembly and many were manufacturing defects to the point where the coach was basically sold as partially assembled. Putting the final assembly on the customs and warranty service provider.
we just purchased a brand new 2024 East to West Tandara 321 RL-OK 5th wheel in August and have had multiple issues occur from the moment we drove it off the dealers lot. Not sure how many of the issues are due to manufacturer quality control or the from the dealer letting the ball drop on prep prior to delivery. We are currently awaiting parts for warranty issues that have been submitted and approved and then for the repairs. Fingers crossed this will all be completed satisfactorily by mid-November. We wanted to love our new 5th wheel but sadly it has been the cause of disappointment and distress for us. We had two other Forest River campers that we loved prior to this East to West, and we are just so very disappointed.
Used 2022 Arctic Wolf 3660 suite vs new 2024 Wildcat 36MB for winter/full time living? I'm having a heck of a time deciding on which to get. The wildcat rep says it's got great insulation, but the salesman for the arctic wolf says wildcat insulation and quality went down after the pandemic/2020. The arctic wolf ($49k OTD) is $8k cheaper than the wildcat ($57k OTD) But the wildcat would come with a warranty and the place we would buy the wildcat would only be 5 miles from our property, while the dealership for the arctic wolf would be 400 miles away. Wife and I like the arctic wolf a bit better due to living room and kitchen layout and much bigger windows, but we like the wildcat bunk room storage (plus the hallway storage) better. But then the arctic wolf desk space in the main bedroom is a bonus since I could use the space to work from. However the wildcat has plastic kitchen sink and plastic toilet, but the arctic wolf has metal sink and porcelain toilet. The arctic wolf has an outdoor kitchen while the wildcat does not. The wildcat also has a heated tanks (with on/off switch), but the arctic wolf tanks are heated due to the heat venting going through the area where the tanks are, which means only heat when the heater is running. And the artic wolf has 100w solar while the wildcat will have 200w solar. Which is a bonus while we may not have power hookup the first week or two while on our property (waiting for utilities to get installed). I haven't seen the arctic wolf in person yet, but on the wildcat I noticed a couple of spots with spilled spray foam/insulation on some piping that looks messy, wasn't sure if that was a sign of build/quality control issues or not. We'll be going through 2 winters with it, stationary the whole time. 6 people living, so 2 adults and 4 kids. Both have bunk rooms that will work for us. I'm completely torn on which way to go. Are there any obvious reasons to go with one vs the other?
Ha. This is not the time to buy a RV. Prices are still too high and the interest is too much, not to mention the quality is not there. They are no better than the car dealers. Scamming people for year’s. I live in my 2012 and Absolutely nothing wrong with it, I doubt I’ll buy another one.
Replacing our truck and travel trailer is not something we even want to think about. Paying through the nose for an F250-assuming that we could find one that is not overloaded with options- is not attractive.
The new builds are having big issues. All of the old school builders are either retired or dead. Hence, why many people are seeking the classic builds and revamping them. I have a 1989 Chevy G 30 cutaway B+. It’s alive for a reason.
First of all great content, I love how it's well researched and well thought out! Now for my $.02, for what it's worth, I think the problem is a bit more nuanced than simply quality issues or overpriced units...I think there's a problem with availability of use as well. With states / campgrounds also pricing themselves right out of business, with state and local governments making it more and more nigh impossible for cheap living, the market is drying up with respect to people willing to make the expenditure, especially when the overwhelming driving force of RV'ing was typically a cheap way of living. Even if the plan is full-time boondocking, one has to make a pretty heavy investment then in off-grid power, phone, internet plus regular expenditures ie., food, health, maintenance, backup fund, whether or not they're on fixed incomes...like you guys said, a tent on wheels $20k? Come on...go to walmart and buy a $100 tent for cryin out loud...the RV industry as a whole has to recognize their market and price accordingly, but I fear it's likely too late for that, especially the motorhome divisions, additionally the people have to protest their states overreaching on what should easily be publicly available land without ALL the danged rules and limitations, but with respect to THAT aspect, RV'ers themselves have to burden the blame as so many have literally abused it via trash, noise, nefarious goings-on, you get the idea.
Good points. There are still plenty of affordable camping options here in the mid-atlantic but we've heard other areas have skyrocketed. And, your right, over the last few years some RVers have abused some parks and now everyone is paying the price.
If we were in the market right now, I wouldn't buy. For a few reasons, price is too high, interest rates are too high, and quality is a concern. We have a 2019 Newmar Canyon Star and love it. We have been fortunate with very few issues. I would absolutely get any rig I was planning to buy inspected. I just did a quick search, they have 25 Newmar's in stock, half of those are 2023's. The highest discount was 35%, which is crazy. If they want to move them, they need to be at least 40% or more.
Quality! Definitely the quality. We were thinking to travel and live in one for awhile but after hearing all the horror stories, we are thinking differently PS , you guys are great 👍🏻
Thank you! You can still travel and enjoy the lifestyle. We just recommend at this point in time you consider used. There are some very good used models.
We have a 2019 grand design Transcend. We’ve put about 20k miles on it and it is still solid. I’ve looked at other campers but nothing even tempts me. I got mine and I’m grateful .i think a serious completion is from the handyman, DIY group. They are buying vans or trailers and sinking some sweat equity and cold hard cash to get a custom build. More solid.
What do think the future holds for the RV industry?
If they don’t address the QUALITY issues then they’ll continue to lose customers. The horror stories out there of products produced after 2020 is unbelievable.
High prices , poor build quality, poor service.Circling the drain
It’s doomed, too many restrictions. Next, you need a license and pay a yearly fee to even drive our own one.
Some states already require a license for the larger motorized RVs
@@AmpedtoGlamp Well as long as uneducated consumers keep showing up, don't get or do any inspection and keep buying without having done their research, nothing will change for the better.
People are sick of paying for over priced junk with bad warranties and poor dealer customer service after purchasing.
True
And outrageous insurance premiums
No kidding. One year warranty
Alliance is the worst we’re encountered.
They are not sick, they still buying
The RV industry is facing a crisis due to terrible quality from manufacturers, piss poor service from retailers, and 50% over pricing ….
Things need to change
@@AmpedtoGlampAgree 100% Every RV mfg can easily switch to web-portal based ordering and options selections - regional distribution centers pickup! Sorry but shiester dealers have ruined the experience
@@basecamp2252While I think that would cut the salesperson cost in the sale, it does not address how warranty work gets done.
@@basecamp2252 Speaking out and exposing is critical and very much appreciated!!
I want an RV so bad… but the quality issues, poor service, and insane prices terrify me. I’ve read through a lot of BBB and forums. These companies ruin people’s lives.
I hope every manufacturer and dealer goes out of business for what they did during the pandemic took advantage of customers price gouging they should all be ashamed of themselves for what they did
GOOD riddance...
Same thing happened with the the auto industry.
Price gouging is what exacerbated the “inflation” issue. Businesses saw an opportunity to raise their prices and increase their profits by simply blaming inflation. No other reason.
Everyone does that.
I sold my RV during covid because I made way more than I paid for it.
Good ol’ capitalism
I am in the market for a class B. The dealers are deluded as they refuse to reduce prices to make a sale.
If they ever do, be sure to get an independent inspection!
I’ve also been shopping Class Bs. They are way over priced and sitting.
Not buying
The RV’s are made with staples and mpb
I honestly wouldn't consider new unless I had massive amounts of money to burn.
Used for sure
This industry has lost its grip on reality even in the high end market they are turning out junk and don’t stand behind their own product
If things are so bad, why are used prices still so high? People are trying to get back the money they paid when their junk was new and is now well-used. They become convinced they will get their money back because they see what new is going for, so they sit on them for a few years. Now, they are leaking and stinking so bad that all they can do is haul them to the dump. They get no money back, and no one has been able to use them.
Campground fees are out of control also.
Very true
I have a 2015 Jayco towable and we were thinking about upgrading recently. So I started doing research and after all the horror stories about their quality there is no way I am upgrading. Couple that with the increasing campground rent and forget it. We are looking at getting out of the rv life altogether after 20+ years.
It saddens me that you are thinking of quitting the RV lifestyle. We believe things will change in the next year or two especially with campgrounds. The market will have to drive their prices.
Campgrounds are ridiculous over past 4 years. I can’t even believe it, even to buy a shower or to park in a parking lot that charges $35 for a parking lot and 15 for a shower. Ridiculous.
Believe it or not, there are still some small companies making good product. InTech is a great example.
Ditto to what an earlier comment echoed...Your Channel is one of the few out there that's helping to raise the consciousness (in a positive way) for both the RV industry & the RV consumer. Please keep doing what you're doing!
Thank you, @darylcyrus3622. We'll keep at it until the industry changes.
Overpriced junk. Cost cutting, cheap parts along with indifferent management root cause. Eye candy that the consumer is slowly starting to realize.
We will probably never buy another rv. We have a 2022 35k Fleetwood Bounder and have had so many problems! The dealership service dept also is horrible! Safe travels and hope your 2021 35k is treating you better!
We feel your pain. Our Bounder has had lots of problems as well ranging from electrical to water leaks.
We just sold our TT. I feel like we hit the lottery! No more payments, insurance, registration, and the biggest....maintenance!
I would not purchase anything made during or since Covid. If you're talking motorhomes, I would go high end for it's time, a full inspection by your third party, and pre-DEF. Best powertrain is the caterpillar 3406e or c-15, with serial # 6NZ or the 2WS paired with an Allison tranny.
You are definitely on point about the quality. I don’t want to buy something and have to work on it every time I take it out camping with the family.
Fixing things after every trip gets old real fast.
I have a Tesla and it can only tow 2000 lbs So I built my own tiny RV. It is solarized, roof raises to 6 feet indoor.
Cost less than $2500
NICE!!!!!!! 👏😊
I know everyone can do this, but I did a DYI cargo trailer conversion. Couldn’t be happier!
Thanks you, thank you !! You guys are greatly appreciated and desperately needed. Telling the truth about the RV industry isn’t negative, it’s simply the truth. Keep up the great work. Peace & Blessings~ ✌🏽
@shonta-22 Thank you! We'll keep it up until the industry changes. Really appreciate your support!
Same as the pickup market... junk that is so overpriced people aren't interested
Our friends have been looking at new RVs because she didn't want a used RV... Now they are wanting an older RV because they say the quality is horrible. They "want what we have" But our camper is 20 years old and is made with 2x4s, real cabinets, and strong quality and because they are not seeing that in the newer RVs, they are now looking at older "used" RVs just for the quality itself
I feel the same, however the motorized rv that are a bit aged are still inflated….
@TravelingwithBae We've been looking at older units and noticed the same thing.
@@AmpedtoGlamphow much "older" 10yrs? 20yrs?
There was an era when some manufacturers were putting out quality. I'm talking about some Carriage models like Royal's International, Emissary and Carri-Lite, Teton Homes, Lifestyle Luxury, Jayco Designer around 2016-18, older KZ Escalade and some other fifth wheels. A lot of these companies went out of business in the aftermath of the 2008 downturn.
@@gregwall5789It does seem that new and the majority of used RV prices are still inflated.
I'm in the market of buying my first RV soon. Everything you touch on today is right on point. Just like you're calling out these dealerships issues/ problems, manufacturers need to be placed on blast as well for the poor quality work. So far, I've narrowed my choice to a 2025 Flagstaff ROO (If you see one at the Hershey RV show, please get a review). It gives me more space with quality workmanship along with additional bells and whistles. Keep in mind that towables were not my original choice. I wanted a class A motorhome, but the cost is too much for a person on a fixed income.
We had a 2017 roo great little trailer, sold it cause we started winter camping never had anything wrong with her
Im thinking of just getting a box truck and build out my RV myself.
Not a bad idea!
Cost and quality of the build. Prices are out of control need to come down more.
Covid resulted in the RV industry selling about 5 years stock in 2 years at highly inflated prices….many of those sales were to newcomers who are now exiting quickly…huge production with inadequate and poorly trained staff, fettered or overpriced supply chains have also turned many believers away from the lifestyle. Overcrowded State and privacy parks have contributed to the exit as some states raise prices and give preferential access to state residents. An emerging recession which is seeing lifestyle products (cars, boats, RVs) as unnecessary luxuries…A perfect storm.
Problem is they think they will get Covid type money when the sell 😂😂😂😂😂😂
One thing to remember is many years ago, a HUGE company said something about, “quality goes in, before the name goes on”. The rv industry is flooded with so many different floorplans, they lost focus on their original mission of the actual product, they wanted to deliver to the public. Prices are ridiculous for the basic storage and amenities of these products. I am looking to buy, however, quality workmanship and a decent price needs to return…I have a tent and I will use it! It used to be a practical market, until that returns, sales will slump.
I just traded off a 2023 Apex travel trailer for a 2024 Northern spirit travel trailer because of quality.
The Apex was falling apart from day one and we had 20 separate issues 1 week after taking it out.
We kept being told we will fix it under warranty by the dealer. It was new old stock.
We said just take it back and order a new one.
They refused and just kept dragging their feet and trying to patch up the junk.
3 months later we traded new for new and took a 15,000.00 loss.
We were livid but had no choice. We are happier with the layout and quality of the new one but purchased full extra protection for stupid stuff that the manufacturer refuses to stand behind.
The RV industry is the canary in the coal mine for the economy. But the quality problem has soured the stomachs of even the most likely to buy consumers. It is difficult to understand why executives do not focus 100 percent on quality.
Very well put guys! You two do an excellent job!
Thank you kindly!
I tell anyone that is considering buying one of these RV's, to think twice before you do. I can understand if you own one to live in. But to use as a recreational vehicle, they are not worth it. We just sold our TT. It was one of the happiest days in my life. No more forking out monthly payments, insurance, registration, and the biggest...maintenance. I feel like we hit the lottery after getting rid of ours. We took our last trip in ours from the Midwest to the Pacific Northwest this summer. Gas alone towing ours was $1600 round trip. Then add in campgrounds. Yes, some were only $10 a night. Others were as high as $70 a night. Really? To park a camper for 15 hours or so. Then you have the issue of hooking up your utilities and unhooking in the morning. Add in dumping tanks and having to find a gas station you can navigate in and out of. I'm not saying we never had fun, but looking back we could have stayed in 5 star hotels on our last trip between the gas mileage and campgrounds and made better time. They are definitely money pits.
I agree. I live in a van, a no build van, and I bought new from day one. It's been over 3 years now, and I love it when I need a break. I get to stay in 5 Star Hotels, no mortgage, no van payments, etc.. the only bad side for me is this don't get to travel because I have a full-time job and own my own business but some day .
This is the realization I'm coming to as well. Run the numbers and it just doesn't make sense (cents?). My insurance and yearly registration here in CO is outrageously high.
@@Cla55clown yeah you either love the RV lifestyle or it makes zero sense financially. I had the same experience with my cabin cruiser boat where it was the happiest day when I finally sold the thing. Yes I loved the boat, I love boating however it's so expensive I couldn't justify it when my business slowed down. This kind of stuff is only good when you've got that money flowing in.
2022 Rockwood Signature…absolutely terrible quality! I’m dealing with a cracked sidewall…for the second time!! Piece of junk. I bought new for a reason…and it was a HUGE mistake
We feel your pain ☹️
Who can afford a rv much less a vacation
This video is so informative. Thank you so much for educating us relatively new travelers!
It's our pleasure. Thanks for check us out!
Enjoy your content and presentation. Like a fireside chat. Quality is the biggest concern. Especially with dealerships ridiculous lengthy repair turn around times.
Thank you! Appreciate the kind words. Yes, finding the right dealership before you buy is so important. It could mean the difference between 1 week and 5 months without your RV.
Looking at a DIY sprinter van project . So much good great info on how to do it on you tube alone! And I then have high quality , what I want , and know the whole vehicle and systems 100 %. Looking at the shiny garbage they put out is amazing , greed and profit and dealer margins are crazy.
I’m thinking the same. I don’t know what I’m doing but I am a quick learner and there is no shortage of material on UA-cam. Have watched like 15 videos this week on electrical systems. Doesn’t seem that complicated now.
Im about to buy a 14" travel trailer for $24900. I think im going to call them Monday morning and back the heck out.
Yes, I'm really learning a lot. It also gives me ammo when it comes time to "horse trade" with a dealership. 😮😊🎉
Good luck! Let us know how it goes!
These are machines not horses
I appreciate your honesty regarding RV’s. I like watching you guys. 😊
Thank you! 😊❤️
In many ways this is a great thing, especially for consumers and about time given the industry and its well earned poor reputation. Good manufacturers will be fine, lose the rest (including the dealers) and I’m hoping that standards improve to meet the minimum of some of the best out there. Appreciate the discussion!
The biggest single item responsible for the downfall of RVing is VALUE or lack of it. The price is not the determining factor but horrible quality and unwillingness to support products are the reason consumers have determined that the cost of these products require much more from their lives than what they receive, at any price. Those with cash will not buy overpriced and poor quality and those w/o cash will not or can not sacrifice out of their lives for overpriced and poor quality. So unless the corporate business model changes and manufacturers get smaller and mire resposnible, they can not survive market reality.
Thanks for the info. Quality must improve! Hopefully price will head south. Keep the info coming.
Thank you for your work in providing good quality content for consumers like me! I’m not discouraged from partaking in the RV lifestyle, just more informed and knowledgeable going forward in my participation.
(and I know your goal isn’t to discourage, but to inform.)
Thanks to your wonderful channel I am more educated about the road ahead!
Thank you both!!
I appreciate that! We love RVing and like you said we don't want to discourage just inform.
$60 - $100 per night campground fees, that doesn't help. It will came back to bit them.
WOW! Thank you. How about Newell’s?
Excellent choice
I just started watching your videos. I really enjoyed the first couple! I own a towable 2019 Coleman 263bh . We've enjoyed our camper and really enjoy our family excitements of RVing (barbeques, beaches) n friends!!.
Noticed prices seem going down bit at some RV location in , SC, GA, NC. I would briefly comment on quality of our camper as satisfied customers. We purchased it brand ne in 2020)! We had only few minor stuff break ie.., toilet main water leak, and microwave glass surface plate shatter. we had it out about dozen times over past couple years. mainly the military bases in Sc, NC, . For for most part no major issues and as you mentioned in your video the cost of RV purchase was huge factor in our decision! Keep up nice videos and informative information. RV Troopers SC
Glad you found us! We're always happy to hear from viewers who have good quality units. That's awesome! 😎👏
Prices got out of control and quality collapsed. Not hard to see what the problem is
This is my first time seeing your channel and it's definitely going to be one of my most watched channels concerning RV and just you people in general. I love the interaction and information you get out about this particular subject and look forward to many videos going forward.
The solution is simple, made to order and make sure it’s built right. All the problems solved, no flooding the market with bad builds. Economics 101
We have been looking at RVing but the prices are insane. The reviews will make a big deal about a small plastic trash can you can get at the dollar store! The warrantees are nonexistent if you read the disclaimers! The prices at the "resort" camp grounds are just price gouging! We'll fly and stay at a Hilton and bank the money until this industry gets it's act together!
We don't stay at resorts often but were recently at one in Myrtle Beach. Wow! Very expensive!
The asking prices at the Dallas RV show were much lower this year
Thanks for sharing! That's good info!
I am still waiting for prices to drop. They have lost their minds. I built out my own b class and it has just what I need and I am familiar with everything in it. Custom is like building your own house with your own taste.
Price gouging is at an all time high, and consumers are no longer so easily duped! They reap what they sow, and the market demand or lack thereof, will hopefully be the hard reset the industry needs to get back to sanity. I bought a truck to haul my aging 5th Wheel and I will gladly wait another 6-8 yrs, if not more, to even consider replacing my current RV.
With RV sales and profits down good luck getting the service department stand behind manufacturing flaws. RVing can be a costly life-style. Our first truck with only 23K miles was a nightmare repairs included an ECM, bearings, injectors and turbo. Trading it in for a new heavy duty truck with an extended warranty was grand. The 1st used 5th wheel was also a big problem needed an axle alignment and other repairs. The new 5th wheel took 8 years before showing frame flex issues. If we did it all over again, we would buy a new HD truck and 5th wheel. The 5th wheel would be hauled to a repair shop and the front reenforced with gussets welded in place. We have no faith in a factory warranty even less in an extended warranty; for good reason!
Bought a truck recently. Looking to purchase a 2023 or 2024 20' Travel Trailer next year. Ill wait even further if I have to. To get a better deal
We'll be at the Hershey RV show. It'll be interesting to see what the deals are there
I’m a car race track guy … so basically my track membership gives me 24 days or 12 weekends in the summer..the track is a 2hour drive from home if the traffic is not insane.. if it is it can be a 3.5-4 hour drive…the idea was to buy a c class that is strong enough to have a 2 car stacker trailer in tow … so that’s at least a 10-12 thousand pound capacity.. so it takes a super c class… like a dynamic dx3 which costs for a used one like 250k …do you guys think the super c class motor homes prices will go down? Thanks
We just bought a brand new 2023 Camper Van. We got a great deal. Coachman has the best quality in the B Vans I ever seen. We have been looking since 2021 to add a camper van to our RV stable. We went to Hershey and Tampa shows the last two years looking. We already have a 43 ft diesel motorhome. Prices are getting back to the 2019 level with all the discounts on leftover 2023s.
We are now a 2 RV home
We haven't spent much time in coachman vans. We'll be sure to check them out at the Hershey RV show.
Looking back to the 1980s yes the RV industry, its manufacturers, and dealers can get much worse and probably will for several reasons but greed and apathy are the biggest.
good content would you buy another class A gas if you were to purchase again?
Don't think so. We want to head west and the gasser is slow to climb the mountains out that way. Next one will most likely be a diesel pusher.
This Baby Boomer can buy a lot of hotel time for $100,000. You can also buy a lot of hotel time for the depreciation of a $100,000 RV.
That doesnt even count campground fees which are crazy
You can’t get a hotel in the wilderness though.
we had a 2023 Super C, so many problems we dumped it and left RVing altogether, very sad because we have been Rving for over 10 years.
I would look for a pre 2020 RV if I were in the market.
I agree with the previous comments! The industry should be ashamed of them selves! Poor quality and extremely poor dealer sales and SERVICE!!!
Not surprised about the campervans, which is what I have….because they’ve stopped production on the Promaster City, Nissan NV200 and the Ford Transit Connect.
Hi Annie! I didn't realize they stopped production. Thanks for letting us know!
There was an RV Gold Rush the last 4-5 years but now the market has changed, plus, there is wide spread knowledge that the newer RVs are junk, wildly over priced with no real warranty and customer support.
Exactly!
There’s whole industries built to extract as much cash from the boomers as possible. Next up is expensive crappy end of life care then $10k painted cardboard coffins. I was quoted recently $10k for filling out a Medicare application for my grandpa.
@Tazdeviloo7 10k? That's insane!
@@AmpedtoGlamp Yeah, I mistyped it was Medicaid. They say they’re “helping” by helping to spend down your assets so you’re eligible for Medicaid. The bicycle industry is having a similar slump in sales too with quality down for most and tons of bike shops closing. It’s a contraction from the COVID boom mostly, but RVs also serve a much wealthier older market so dealers and most companies took advantage while they could.
Looking to purchase a couple size travel trailer that I can pull with my half ton pickup truck The average rent in Central Florida starts at $1500 a month. One bedroom, something you would never own! I would like to know!
Which manufacturer should I purchase my travel trailer from
It depends. We're more familiar with motorized RVs but I've heard good things about Brinkley (but they are pricey). Sorry I can't be more help.
@@AmpedtoGlamp OK, Which motorized one would you recommend? And it has to have a washing dryer. I'm really not looking to travel Just looking to cut back on my cost of renting! But I only make just a little over 75,000 a year I'm single I don't need something crazy big! Like you said the motorized ones are very expensive thanks!
Escape travel trailers are high quality!!
Look at Outdoors Mfg or Northwood Mfg. you won’t be disappointed.
@@jimcornelius8965but also very pricey.
Great video guys, to answer your question, I bought a ‘24 Forest River Sunseeker 3010DS in February and I must say I’m pretty pleased with it!(knock on MDF)
"Knock on MDF" 🤣 Glad it's doing well!
I've owned 3 Jayco's, a Pilgrim, Entegra and Magnitude. Without a doubt my Brinkley Z 3100 is by far the best RV I've ever owned. Zero quality issues - ZERO! I cannot believe how well made this unit is and how well it has functioned. Blue Compass dealership was amazing and honestly, I think Brinkley has nailed it.
Owned our Airstream since 1988 and have never missed a night of camping due to a component failure. Have certainly replaced/upgraded items, but never had s trip interruption. Hopefully your Brinkley holds up!! Good luck and travel safe!!
We're now thinking about getting a pre-def Country Coach. The quality is so much better than anything new. Even Tiffin is sucking air.
And what do you mean the economy is bad? Our leaders say we are booming. Most vibrant economy ever.
So many negative stories about newer Tiffins. You made a good decision. John and I were just looking at Country Coach vides this weekend. 😊
@@AmpedtoGlamp Premier RV of Oregon specializes in CC. ua-cam.com/video/a5mJ0dFzalk/v-deo.htmlsi=jX-aI8z6hVQ2WSDq
Looking for a Pleasure Way class B on the Transit,used,they are very scarce,but yes I would buy right now
After being in the same travel trailer for the last 15 years, we decided to look into purchasing a new one. We just came back from the 2024 Hershey rv show, and I was disappointed in how much they are asking for a travel trailer given that the quality appears to have declined. We have a minimum of 6 people in our camper, so we gravitate to bunkhouse models. Just about every model has angle cut the bunks, which makes it so 2 full-size adults no longer fit. I talked with multiple manufacture representatives, and they told me that they did it to cut down on weight and cost and to maximize space. I feel it makes the space unusable unless you have little kids. With the rising prices and declined quality, I think we will either rehab our current trailer or build out a cargo trailer.
Love your content
Thank you!
QUALITY! First great video, but we just bought a Class A, shyed from new due to cost and shoddy quality we could see on the lot for a low mile used 2018 “precovid” Tiffin. Shocked at the value for the cost difference. Like lots of the newer tech, but even cost of updates still make it a more cost effective choice.
Thank you! Yes, the difference with older models is striking.
I wish I could be in the RV market right now. High prices, low quality, and uncertain time says be careful, save you money and stay out of the market and sit on the sidelines for the foreseeable future.
Buying a quality used unit is also an option. Just don't get anything from the last 6 years.
We have been ready and eager to buy a Motorhome. What is stopping us is the gross over pricing/gouging since Covid and from what we hear, difficult to impossible to get service.
Buy pre covid….outside is a 2017 StarCraft solstice.
No big issues so far
I have been camping and RV’ing since 1973, and presently own a 2013 5th wheel which I have had some issues with, but have repaired all (one was covered by warranty) but one which I had to pay for. I would not buy one now as it seems the industry has been bought up in large part by Thor, and the quality and warranties have gone to garbage. It is a shame as a lot of great small companies as well as some large ones have gone out of business that built great quality products.
I bought used destination trailer 2019. It's a Hyline which is HI Enterprises. They are a small build company. They build travel Trailers and destination. They known for destinations. Also it just sits in same spot. Don't here from Utube on Hyline. It's seems like it well built. I also bought from a retired dealer who speck out the build. If you anything about them it would be appeciated.
I’m going to buy an older one. Might have to deal with some places not allowing me in due to 10 year rule but I can deal with it.
We've yet to stay at a campground with a 10 year rule. You'll have plenty of options! 😊
I started a RV dealership 1970 tent camper’s started at $395 to $1100. Got out 1997 as the industry went to hell with corporations buy out long time brands.
I got a little buddy for my big car camp tent…. 14 day free National Forest camping paid for all the camp set up relative to hotel or RV cost .
You guys are awesome! This culmination of information and data is very useful for new[or experienced] buyers! And with all the deception in today’s media, your channel offers us clarity. Thanks a lot guys! #soblessed!
Thank you for your support!
The 4th quarter is shoping time 50 per cent off or I’m not buying
That's a very reasonable ask at this point.
Biggest problem is pricing on camp grounds. 59. To 100 bucks a night. I am starting to see more campgrounds r empty
Good point! Nice alternatives are COEs, state parks and military campgrounds if eligible.
Bingo...they're getting to the price where you could almost stay in a nice hotel and not have all the work and hassle of the RV itself. My next RV will be a truck camper I can park anywhere and use year round without the expensive registration and maintenance.
@dewayne4986wilson I agree with you. We got rid of our TT last month. Happiest day of my life. The last campground we stayed at cost $71 for the night. Heck, I just stayed at a Hampton Inn last week. With my AAA discount, I got a room for $101. Plus free breakfast and bottomless coffee.
I have a 08 class a. Great product! I can't imagine getting into the rv game today. The market went to shit. Good advice. Buy used. Before covid. At least you have a soiled unit to start with .
Greetings from Spain. I was thinking of getting an RV and I started watching videos. I've seen so many videos about problems that I know I'm just going to build or rebuild my own. You RV guy's should try to get Last Week Tonight to do a show about the RV industry. If enough people started twitting and sending links, I think they would do it because, I seen so real horror stories out there, people losing there whole life in an RV. Sad.
Never heard of Last Week tonight. I'll look them up.
I want to purchase but not now due to the quality issues
There are lots of good used RVs out there.
I really like mini camper from Japan and Europe and not sure why I can not buy one at US
An injection of foreign competition might help the industry step it up.
No one ever complains about quality issues or bad customer service with Grech RV. I wish they made RVs other than class B
Pricey as heck though ! But at least you get something reliable
Good video.
When you talk about quality keep in mind that garbage in equals garbage out. Consider Lippert (LCI). They produce poor quality parts and components that just about if not all RV builders use. From frames, axles, appliances, furniture and other components if it comes from LCI it is sub par poorly made junk.
Thank you for helping to expose the RV Industry. RIVA is part of their good old boys club and not pro consumer as they would have you believe.
There's a rumor that lippert will have some serious competition in the near future.
Took our first trip in new travel trailer. It was a nightmare. Refrigerator failed. Heater did not work, problems with propane tanks. This after trailer was given a thorough check and commission by dealer. Worst part was response from dealer when we tried to schedule repairs. I would not purchase an RV today if I had it to do over again. If you buy, be prepared to fix it yourself on the road.
So sorry to hear about your experience. Never trust the dealership, always hire a certified inspector and don't take delivery until every thing is fixed. There are so many poorly built units out there right now.
Purchased. 2023 Winnebago ERA and 8 months later it was bought back. Zero quality control on assembly and many were manufacturing defects to the point where the coach was basically sold as partially assembled. Putting the final assembly on the customs and warranty service provider.
we just purchased a brand new 2024 East to West Tandara 321 RL-OK 5th wheel in August and have had multiple issues occur from the moment we drove it off the dealers lot. Not sure how many of the issues are due to manufacturer quality control or the from the dealer letting the ball drop on prep prior to delivery. We are currently awaiting parts for warranty issues that have been submitted and approved and then for the repairs. Fingers crossed this will all be completed satisfactorily by mid-November. We wanted to love our new 5th wheel but sadly it has been the cause of disappointment and distress for us. We had two other Forest River campers that we loved prior to this East to West, and we are just so very disappointed.
I'm tryna find a almost new travel trailer not a tear drop but a small RV. For about 100 dollars a month. For a 3,000 new used 1 axle...
Used 2022 Arctic Wolf 3660 suite vs new 2024 Wildcat 36MB for winter/full time living?
I'm having a heck of a time deciding on which to get.
The wildcat rep says it's got great insulation, but the salesman for the arctic wolf says wildcat insulation and quality went down after the pandemic/2020.
The arctic wolf ($49k OTD) is $8k cheaper than the wildcat ($57k OTD) But the wildcat would come with a warranty and the place we would buy the wildcat would only be 5 miles from our property, while the dealership for the arctic wolf would be 400 miles away.
Wife and I like the arctic wolf a bit better due to living room and kitchen layout and much bigger windows, but we like the wildcat bunk room storage (plus the hallway storage) better. But then the arctic wolf desk space in the main bedroom is a bonus since I could use the space to work from. However the wildcat has plastic kitchen sink and plastic toilet, but the arctic wolf has metal sink and porcelain toilet.
The arctic wolf has an outdoor kitchen while the wildcat does not. The wildcat also has a heated tanks (with on/off switch), but the arctic wolf tanks are heated due to the heat venting going through the area where the tanks are, which means only heat when the heater is running.
And the artic wolf has 100w solar while the wildcat will have 200w solar. Which is a bonus while we may not have power hookup the first week or two while on our property (waiting for utilities to get installed).
I haven't seen the arctic wolf in person yet, but on the wildcat I noticed a couple of spots with spilled spray foam/insulation on some piping that looks messy, wasn't sure if that was a sign of build/quality control issues or not.
We'll be going through 2 winters with it, stationary the whole time. 6 people living, so 2 adults and 4 kids. Both have bunk rooms that will work for us.
I'm completely torn on which way to go.
Are there any obvious reasons to go with one vs the other?
Ha. This is not the time to buy a RV. Prices are still too high and the interest is too much, not to mention the quality is not there.
They are no better than the car dealers. Scamming people for year’s.
I live in my 2012 and Absolutely nothing wrong with it, I doubt I’ll buy another one.
Replacing our truck and travel trailer is not something we even want to think about. Paying through the nose for an F250-assuming that we could find one that is not overloaded with options- is not attractive.
Great info keep it coming.
Brinkley will not make it they are just making an RV that looks better but most people do not realize it's made with same parts from cheap ones
I hear rumors that lippert might get some real competition soon.
The new builds are having big issues. All of the old school builders are either retired or dead.
Hence, why many people are seeking the classic builds and revamping them. I have a 1989 Chevy G 30 cutaway B+. It’s alive for a reason.
First of all great content, I love how it's well researched and well thought out! Now for my $.02, for what it's worth, I think the problem is a bit more nuanced than simply quality issues or overpriced units...I think there's a problem with availability of use as well. With states / campgrounds also pricing themselves right out of business, with state and local governments making it more and more nigh impossible for cheap living, the market is drying up with respect to people willing to make the expenditure, especially when the overwhelming driving force of RV'ing was typically a cheap way of living. Even if the plan is full-time boondocking, one has to make a pretty heavy investment then in off-grid power, phone, internet plus regular expenditures ie., food, health, maintenance, backup fund, whether or not they're on fixed incomes...like you guys said, a tent on wheels $20k? Come on...go to walmart and buy a $100 tent for cryin out loud...the RV industry as a whole has to recognize their market and price accordingly, but I fear it's likely too late for that, especially the motorhome divisions, additionally the people have to protest their states overreaching on what should easily be publicly available land without ALL the danged rules and limitations, but with respect to THAT aspect, RV'ers themselves have to burden the blame as so many have literally abused it via trash, noise, nefarious goings-on, you get the idea.
Good points. There are still plenty of affordable camping options here in the mid-atlantic but we've heard other areas have skyrocketed. And, your right, over the last few years some RVers have abused some parks and now everyone is paying the price.
If we were in the market right now, I wouldn't buy. For a few reasons, price is too high, interest rates are too high, and quality is a concern. We have a 2019 Newmar Canyon Star and love it. We have been fortunate with very few issues. I would absolutely get any rig I was planning to buy inspected. I just did a quick search, they have 25 Newmar's in stock, half of those are 2023's. The highest discount was 35%, which is crazy. If they want to move them, they need to be at least 40% or more.
Newmar usually puts caps on advertised discounts but I've seen other dealers with more than 35% off. So you are absolutely correct!
We are down the street from lazy days and theyve always been super expensive. Our friend delivered for them and got laid off last year sometime.
We don't have one in our area so thanks for the info. Sorry about your friend.
Quality! Definitely the quality. We were thinking to travel and live in one for awhile but after hearing all the horror stories, we are thinking differently
PS , you guys are great 👍🏻
Thank you! You can still travel and enjoy the lifestyle. We just recommend at this point in time you consider used. There are some very good used models.
This is exactly the precursor we saw in 2008. Many major rv manufacturers closed their doors forever.
What else do you remember from 2008? 😉
Let's see...sub prime mortgage mortgage market crash, Obama became president, big banks went bankrupt and my son started kindergarten 😉
@@AmpedtoGlamp I would say we are in a similar economic downturn. 🤷♂️
@@HighDesertOffgrid seems like it.
We have a 2019 grand design Transcend. We’ve put about 20k miles on it and it is still solid. I’ve looked at other campers but nothing even tempts me. I got mine and I’m grateful .i think a serious completion is from the handyman, DIY group. They are buying vans or trailers and sinking some sweat equity and cold hard cash to get a custom build. More solid.