What's needed to stop racism in football? | Charlie Davies opens up after Viní Jr's racial abuse
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- Опубліковано 21 тра 2023
- The Morning Footy crew discuss the measures that are needed to stop racism in football after Viní Jr suffered racial abuse during Real Madrid's match against Valencia.
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Blaming Vini for not showing up to a meeting is crazy, what are they gonna tell him that he doesn’t already know? .. like they said in this video, actions not words!!
Tebas: i can’t do nothing about racism unless Vini shows up to my meeting.
@@gabrielordonez8011 Right, like that’s going to solve anything 🙄
Man f u ok ❤
The Spanish media blaming the victim instead of denouncing the abuse is one of the many things that has to go
iv actually lost alot of respect for spanish football becoz of that
Vini Jr doesn't face any problems as such when he plays in the Champions League but when it comes to La Liga he's subjected to such sh*t. La Liga is the problem period. More power to Vini ✊🏾❤️
I think players in italy face racism too. Players like benzema and ozil also face racism bc they are muslim.
It isn't just a La Liga problem, sadly. It's a global issue. In Europe alone, there's how players like Lukaku was racially abused this season while Balloteli was racially abused by his fellow Italians, there was the English response to Sancho, Saka, & Rashford missing penalties in the Euros, there's Far-Right clubs across various cities in Europe like Tel Aviv & Saint Petersberg
Racism is a big problem in the game particularly in Italy and Spain and in Eastern Europe.
its not the game problem, people are getting angry at blacks outside the stadium and then bring this anger to the stadium. economic immigrants that only come for social support = meaning all people living in the country are actually paying for them not doing anything = issue
@@MatthewMcRowan we're talking about football players not economic migrants. Please keep up
Vinni we are with you and many more of victims. Dont mind this incapable leadership
he should come to the premier league. Over here proper punishments are dished out
Lol
Indeed. Theres racism in premier league, just like in mostly football leagues in the world. But in PL, things are taken more serious.
Oh please..always a slap on the wrist
One of Vini’s welcoming gifts in Spain was a bite to the head from an Atléti second team when he was with Castilla. Vini from the start of his career with Madrid has been subject to hate and now we know it’s been because he is a person of color, it has nothing to do with being a “provocateur.”
Its everywhere also in France after Mbappe won 2018 world cup, in 2020 he missed a penalty against switzerland and his own country fans called him a monkey etc. The best league that combats racism is the premier leugue
Premier League understands money and that is why they fight racism better. The Premier League gets over 1 billion from African TV companies for the EPL because Africans feel it is the most tolerant league and 3.5 billion from Asia and 4 billion from the USA. The Southern European league don’t understand that racisms cost them billions in global TV contracts, especially in non-white regions of the world.
True! Happens a lot in Italy too 😢
Black English players were racially abused by their own fans after they missed penalties in euro 2020. This is a western value
i'm not sure about that, Saka got called many racist names after he missed the penalty against Italy in the final of Euro 2020...
@@TheFabrizioNYC the difference is in England racial abuse is not normalised or the victim blamed. That is very different from Italy and Spain where it is viewed as normal and never in England has a black player being red carded for reacting to racial abuse like Italy and Spain
Its shameful move from LaLiga president to take it what it looks like personal. Your league is failed, step down. You shouldn't be there
Just wanna throw in a brief Football History lesson in context to this subject of racism.
Back in 1916,Argentina hosted the first ever International football tournament called Copa America,there was no World cup at that stage,no Euroes,No Champions league yet,so that was the first big gig in football.
Amongst the teams competing at that tournament was Uruguay a small nation that was not expected to win ,but one thing stood out is that URUGUAY had selected 2 black players in that team,a midfielder called Degaldo and a teenage winger called Isabelino Grenadine. It was the presence of those 2 blacks that upset the host nation Argentina who felt only white players must be selected.So an ugly race debate took place,even conspiracy theories about birth place of Grenadine etc.
But Uruguay refused to drop their black players,it was Grenadine who was dehumanized by Argentine press called a monkey etc.
Despite all odds he helped Uruguay win the tournament and won the Golden boot of the tournament despite the vile racist abuse he endured before,during and after matches.
Many people regard Grenadine as the one who paved way for blacks is football and his performance in 1916 inspired blacks in Brazil to fight for selection in their team decades later,in that time Brazil only picked white players .
Even Pele himself has said there would have never been a PELE if it was not for Grenadine who paved way for next generations.
Now its been over a century since Grenadine endured so much hell just to pave way for others,how will his spirit feel when he still sees black players like Vinicious,Ansu Fati,Moise Kean,Mario Barlotelli etc having to endure the same dehumanization he went through 106 years ago?
They say we need to move on,stop talking about racism,yet when such abuse is thrown in faces of football players,how can we move on from the past?
Moving on with the times,means ditching bad habits of the past like monkey chants etc.
So there ends my take on it,hope everyone has a nice day,feel free to read up about Copa America 1916,or Biography of Isabelino Grenadine including his struggles,his victories and also tragedies.Peace and blessings football family.
Points deduction every time there’s racism. Be it from the fans or players. Let’s see how many points a team could afford to lost.
Not showing it hurts you is the stoopeedest way to fight against something. Boycott🤘
He said thats the way he was showed to deal with it. But he also says that teammates have to come together and stop playing. So yes absolutely right, its difficult for people of color to play in Spain. But not only in football. I had a black collegue (spanish, born in spain) and my moronic collegues called him blackie. He acted like he didnt care but you could see the mask slip now and then. Im sad to say my country is still very very racist.
@@rh.m6660 exactly, boycott. That 'United against racism' should be literral. No solution to pretend it doesn't hurt and feel the pain inside. Unacceptable!!! My country also both victim of racism and racism between us.
Learn how to spell
Seriously thr bs that's coming out...
1. Dont show it affects you..
2. Dani Alves ate the banana
3. Turn the other cheek
4. Stop being so sensitive.
Man I've never wanted to choke out so many people. The worst thing is I understand Spanish. People that don't understand Spanish might have no idea what an uphill battle this is... it's depressing.
Man we cant win with you wicked Racist. you keep moving the goal post.
Saying racism in Spain happens "more often" now is an ignorant statement. Racism has been well and alive and openly accepted in Spain from everyday convos to the legal system. Everybody forgot when Benzema came and said how winning he's French or Madridista or when losing he's a foreigner and backward and should go back to Algeria. Rashford and Ozil have been forgotten in this convo etc ... European football has a racism problem and armbands haven't done enough.
La Liga excuse and trying to put the blame on Vinny shows who these people are.
KEEP PLAYING WILL NEVER STOP RACISM. WALKING OFF THE PITCH WILL, BECAUSE IT WILL DISRUPT THE GAME HENCE DISRUPT THE SCHEDULE, THEN YOU WILL SEE CHANGES
great convo
How does this clip get cut off?
The league president was a clown 🤡 then these things will definitely happen
The opposition player should score a own gaol to send message to racist.
"where's the 15 pt penalty for this?" yeah, where is it?
Stronger punishments for racism, homophobia and sexism.. only way fans will stop is if teams get points deducted or play behind closed doors
The problem with point deduction is that then the club becomes "hostage" of the fans. If the club does somthing the fans don't like (sacking/not sacking the manager etc.) they'll do anything they can to sabotage the team. Closed doors makes more sense, as the fans get hit as well, but ultimately it's always the club losing money.
At least this is true here in Italy, where the ultras just like to feel they have power on someting (just look at Milan's ultras talking to the team after they lost against Spezia some days ago).
I'm afraid it's the clubs themselves who want to avoid giving fans this power and are pressuring the leagues to be as soft as they are on the racism matter.
My ideal punishment for Racism would be extremely cruel. For example Valencia FC should be ban from ever competiting in La Liga or 2nd/3rd division. Then their stadium must be demolish, their fanbase/ultras must be permanently disbanded. The entire history of the club must be erased from existance. The punishment might be too extreme and cruel yes, but they have to be made example of, fear sometimes can be a powerful tool.
When things don't go your way, sometimes you just implement force or 1 last warning.
the more you punish the more extremist they are growing, good luck with prisons full of neo nazis that finally came together and can rebel
@Lucio Gibilisco One of the few things I agreed with Madrid's Señor Pérez was his decision to kick out the ultras to have a more family-friendly atmosphere. You cannot allow anyone, management, coaches, players or fans, bring down your brand with negative or bad behavior.
Ground closures, points deduction and expulsion from the competition should punishment for a bad behavior.
Vini should play in England, Brirish people respect all people, Bukayo Saka and Jadon Sancho know the innocence and pure soul of the British.
😂😂😂 that was really good
I remember when the Real Madrid own fans called Hugo Sanchez "el indio" among other racist chants. Hugo just kept playing and became one of RMs best players in that era. Envious, negative people will be around forever; As part of maturing, you have to ignore them.
Will you also stand with the memory of the lost 'kissed by the thorny roses' 1000yr+ generations of the free and enslaved Africans, Moors and Muslims of Al Andalus and Granada, or will you continue to keep bleeding them with your INQUISITIOUS hate..
Enduring racism shouldn’t be part of any maturing process wtf
That was the Ultras Sur, and guess what? Florentino Perez banned them years ago, even though they threaten to kill him for doing that. Don't blame Real Madrid as an institution for it. At least Real Madrid and Perez are doing something decisively about internal issues unlike the people at the helm of La liga right now.
Valencia as a club, did they release a statement apologising though ?
Their director claimed Ancelotti shouldn’t say the Valencia fans aren’t racist cos only a few abused Vinicius
@@eddieherrera5314 but they are Valencia fans ....right 🤷
I saw one where the director defended the fans. xD It was pathetic to listen.
Racist trolls from LA liga and Italian league are a mess.
I just want to appreciate all the human beings out there who love and respect others regardless of colour. We won't let racists win
Why as a black man wpuld ya continue yo play fot la liga if they gonna disrespect you just for your beautiful skin.
And what happens outside the stadium after you take 15 points off a team because their fans are racist in the stadium? Societies breed this behaviour, it is learnt and taught at home. People who have inferiority complex think they can put people down to their level by being racist. A racist person is sick, someone to be pitied, some that has no understanding of humanity, a person that lacks self awareness that he is just a breath away from being a decomposing thing at the mercy of those that would bury or her.
Love you Charlie
Rubiales(?), the president of the Spanish FA (RFEF) saying that there several entities and they have overlapping jurisdictions that fight over whose authority takes precedence. Apparently, Rfef tried closing stadium and were over ruled because Tebas' La Liga had jurisdiction. Clubs would appeal ground closures (or other punishments) and escape punishment 😔
I wonder if there's any mention these incidents are on the referee's report and if they are, why even bothering reported them if there's no repercussions?
If it was an Homophobic chant, it would be handled straight away
Tired of people telling the victims of racial abuse to ignore it and "show them it doesn't bother you". Bs. How about focusing on the actual racist clowns? Just like in America when people complain about those who talk about racism instead of addressing the source of the complaints. Of course.
If a system is wrong, it is wrong. Don't blame those offended by the system, asking them to have thick skins.
Vini Jr is broken now. He has been racially abused, and this happen many times in La Liga, against Athletico Madrid, Valladolid, Barcelona, and now Valencia. There's no way Vini Jr can keep playing, he's completely over being in Spain now. The president Javier Tebas denies racism in La Liga, Fiorentino Perez hasn't spoken, Benzema hasn't fought for him. He needs to leave, and go to Bundesliga, Premier League, the better leagues. Valencia needs to play in a empty arena since the fans can't behave like human beings.
Make the teams play without fans and fine the club heavily in multi millions. Deduct points too. The governing bodies don't care.
So I can just bankrupt a club by yelling racial slurs in their stands? Say less lol
@@presidentcovfefe Seems you condone the attitude by your comment. There are 38 cameras in the stadium every time. When racists do their thing, cameras do pick them up but the governing bodies do not follow up with very stiff actions. Players say and show sections where they hear the nonsense from. Also, if you are a racist football fan, you would not want your team to suffer those harsh punishments. If you still racially abuse people, then you are not a football fan but simply a racist that looks for trouble all the time..
The solution is simple if they don't want to deduct points make it so the next time real play Valencia with Valencia being at home the stadium is empty or only sell tickets to real Madrid fans then the Valencia fans would learn their lesson
Racism exists but it should not be in sports ! How can you perform with such insults …. They should ban the stadium and the club for an example .
When the Barcelona coach in his press conference defends Vinicious and denounces the actions of those fans more then the la liga president you know your president is crap.
#BOYCOTT LIGA
"I was taught to deal with it by ignoring it." This guy and everyone who puts the onus on the victim to be strong and not on the aggressor to not be a bad human being are clowns. -1 Subscriber for Golazo
Wonder if Musah will play hard for his club witnessing this crap
People are literally defending the fans by saying that Vinicius started it by taunting the crowd. Is football so serious that we are now equating competitive banter with racist taunts?
I think POC should just refuse to play in Laliga altogether. When world class players reject laliga, that puts the league in a bad light
Banning any identified fan from attending all La Liga games permanently sounds 👍
Racism is here,it always was and always will be,no matter what you do or say it will,sadly never go away.if people get upset by being racially abused then people will pray on this weakness and exploit it to the full.i remember a black footie player was thrown a banana in the 70s,he picked it up,peeled and walked like a chimp,the crowd laughed and he was never abused again because he took the fun side.I'm Welsh and the funniest racist jokes i hear are the ones about the Welsh.There are far more important things in life to worry than racism.
Come to PL Vini- Arsenal specifically 😎
Lol. Yeah since theres no racism in England.
what needs to happen is shut up about it, maybe in usa arguing and pushing blame is a sport but rest of the world dont care about putting blame on somebody for somebodies problems you do that and it will back fire spectacularly
Some football fans can be so dumb! One of Valencia's players was racially abused by the opposition player and the whole Valencia team walked off in solidarity. Now the fans of that same team who have Black players also, are racially abusing another Black player just because he is the best player in that league and they want to put him off. Madness.
Welcome to Spain.
Learnt from UK for sure
LET'S JUST CALL IT WHAT IT IS: RACISM IN SPORTS IS TOLERATED IN SPAIN. La Liga's President and the Spanish Fans have shown the entire world that racism is tolerated in LA LIGA. It's as simple as that.
Start deducting points, it's that simple
Sweet so I can just travel to a rival club, yell a racial slur, and get their points deducted.
@@presidentcovfefe nope, there would be an investigation, where facts are presented, and then a punishment would be dealt. The person, or people, found to be racist would be named and it would be investigated if they were actual fans of the home club or imposters. It's not hard to do, but I can see that you're an idiot and failed to apply logic when submitting your comment.
@@presidentcovfefe exactly. What he said won't solve it
Why is excused and sponsored racial hooliganism always called a complicated issue? Nothing complicated about it. The lethargic pace with which La Liga deals with the obvious, for fear of ostraciszing its "FANS" is ridiculous and it exposes the simplicity of the issue. There is NO GOOD WILL on the part of the powers that be to address this issue head on. The more we create procedural pot holes that the authorities can point to to justify their delays, the more we allow this disease to linger unchecked and unchallenged. Everybody knows that this behavior can be stopped. England delt hooliganism a heavy blow and brought it under control. The will is not there because ownership thinks of its players as zoo performers, thus rendering the monkey chants normal. Maybe off colored, but nonetheless... normal.
Deep
1 love how this is getting so much attention, but when it comes Son heung min and Asian players getting racial abuse in the premier league nobody talks about it and stays silent. How sad and pathetic it doesn't fit the media narrative
Asians don't come out to support themselves so why should anyone else?
What narrative? Son hadn’t said anything himself so what are you mad about?
Good for covering - I hope going forward each discussion focuses more on specific actions white ppl will do
I feel for Charlie as a black person and I hope ppl respect the vulnerability he shared with. He didn't have to get that vulnerable
They should off deducted points so they get relegated
La Liga is a cesspool. He should come to the Premiere League 👍
fr. He doesn't deserve this
I would love the players from both teams to do something together, leave the field together...and yes, it's not the majority of the stadium, so why aren't the 'non-racist' true football fans (majority of the stadium) making the identification easier? There is more than enough video from the fans, everyone has a phone. The Beautiful Game? The racist minority is ruining it, so if we're truly against this behavior why aren't WE doing more? It's not only Spain, this problem and lazy way of thinking is evident in all leagues. So sad.
Look at the Mallorca match. Not many opposing players will stand up against their fans....
A lot of racist people can't stand black footballers earning loads of money and it makes them bitter and twisted
Whata Shame
Why dont all the black players go on strike in la liga
Dont worry guys, european population is going down fast, soon they will be nothing but memories.
Just penalize the teams and bump them out of the ligue.
Valencia bad team .... 🤮🤮🤮
he should come to the premier league....spanish football is boring anyway
Lol. So theres no racism in the EPL.
Maybe just stop playing football in Spain??
Fans chant racial slurs bse they know their clubs and football organizations let them... that’s all
If only THANOS was real and could just get racists!
I experienced opposing bench players and fans chanting ‘monkey’ during games. I would just block it out and continue playing harder. They would stop in a few minutes when i ignored them. People doing it won’t stop if you show them it gets to you. You can’t change some things. And racism is one of those things. People can hide it, but you can’t stop them from being racists.
Lol who is this Charlie Davis guy little league isn’t the pros Vini will still get paid he could never step foot on another Spanish pitch and will get paid if La Liga doesn’t fix this he should leave
You have to teach with the example, if there are racist people let them be, if you not tolerate racism you are an hypocrite, learn to tolerate, the end
Will you also stand with the memory of the lost 'kissed by the thorny roses' 1000yr+ generations of the free and enslaved Africans, Moors and Muslims of Al Andalus and Granada, or will you continue to keep bleeding them with your INQUISITIOUS hate....???
Habitual line steppers. Kyrie is the problem.
I love Americans take on racism 😂😂😂
Not all Americans are racist..nice try though. You do realize every nation as had a racist history.
@@LegioIII. yes every nation included arabic and african ones.
Racism if this word still have any sense is present in all of people(not exclusive to white - far from that even)
Arabic or black player in France have sometimes "racist"input towards white but it is always kept under silence.
When you live under a mass or wave of immigration like we do in europe and you see those people don't want to integrate or are "racist" well in a public stadium with group effect some of the fans will release bad emotions.
The police of the world
So there's been 9 occurrences of racism in La Liga and 8 are concerning Vini??? Sounds like Vini has an established pattern of abusing the race the card. The problem does not appear to be La Liga but rather Vini. And, if I were the president of La Liga, I'd thoroughly investigate each one of Vini's claims; and if his claims cannot be substantiated, then I'd take legal action against Vini, Anceloti, and Real Madrid for slander and defamation. Regardless of the outcome, La Liga needs to kick out Vini and Anceloti for insulting the people of Spain. Sell Vini to England and let the Brits deal with his wokeness.
Did you watch the game? I could clearly hear people calling him monkey
@@nadoio No really knows because some peoople are saying it sounded like they were calling him tonto (stupid) not mono (monkey). Tonto makes more sense because xango is the comnon reference to monkey not mono. In any case, that doesn't give Vini the right to assault and batter players on the opposing team. And the red card he received was much deserved.
@@PHenry-wn3li they aren't even denying they were called him monkey
Do you really think everybody is stupid and cannot recognize racism when we see it? Cmon, stop this nonsense! This is racism by itself!
The real motive for a racist comment 'might' be racism, but it also might be a childish desire to disrupt the player. Since we can not know people's actual motives, we can not punish motives, only actions. The action to be punished, in this case, is distracting a player via a very personal comment. That would cover racist comments, but many other things as well, like Haaland looks like Shrek, Sterling runs like a T-rex, or Harry Kane and Jack Grealish have 150 IQ (combined).
well lets just say that ur "Vini" needs to grow up a bit and have a mindset of a mature player and for the la liga they need to make better rules for the racism like "real rules" and that's my opinion that both vini and la liga needs to mature
The kid literally complains about racism every time he loses a match so I guess the other 10 black players on the field don’t care but he does? Why wouldn’t the others say anything? Probably bc if somebody says monkey monkey they could care less like Dani alves getting a banana thrown at him and he eats it. He needs to grow up and accept losing and stop being a kid after every loss but fine after a win
Pretty sure you're white
Keep living in your bubble plzzzzz
@@nadoio you’d be wrong bud😂
@@nadoio just a person who doesn’t get hurt by words😂😂it’s just words get over it
@@O.J._is_Guilty You said vini needs to grow up, but you don't even know other people will treat issues differently than you do
Dani alves eats the banana thrown at him and never complains but Vini hears monkey and acts like it’s the end of the world. Why does this happen after he loses a match? Mahbe to block the media from saying how bad they played so they have something else to cover. Somebody saying monkey was only offensive to vini and not the other 10 black players on the field. Grow up like the other 10 black players and accept a loss. It happens, you make $50 million grow up like them
how about you go eat a banana. It is NOT for you to tell people how to react to racism, especially when you have to endure it day in and day out on the pitch. Dani Alves is one man. He did what he did. Your stamp of approval means nothing to him nor the rest of us. Why do victims of racism have to abide by your retarded notion of manhood? When did you have to overcome it? At what cost? Somewhere in your backward thinking, you view $50 million as a great tag price for putting up with this insanity, and that tells me EVERYTHING I need to know about you. You would sell your virtues and compromise your integrity to the highest bidder. You would take no moral stand on account of a pocket full of money. You are a spineless coward, who stands for NOTHING, but hides behind a twisted rational as well as retarded and debunked notions of manhood to justify your moral spinelessness. Good day to you, chimp, and enjoy the banana..
You sound very stupid educate yourself first before speaking
Deflecting fool 👎🏾
You are EXACTLY part of the problem.
“Monkey was the only offensive thing he got called so he should stop whinging”
Telling black people to shut up and stay quiet after being racially abused is absolutely disgusting. Like I said, racist people like YOU are part of the problem.
Cry more
May your life be filled with bitter tears ,you animal.
They stopped the game lol what a joke