Who Murdered The Crowley Family?... | The (Solved) Case of David Crowley
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- When U.S. veteran and dystopian filmmaker David Crowley began his project "Gray State", he had no idea that it would become a five-year obsession, dragging his family in too. But by Christmas 2014, the project looked doomed to fail. Soon after... he and his family were found dead.
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00:00 Intro
02:13 Minnesota
04:20 David Crowley's interesting history
06:54 Meeting Komel (Alam) Crowley
08:56 Obsession with The Gray State
21:06 Downfall...
24:46 January 17th 2015 (Crime Scene)
28:04 What happened?
33:21 Aftermath, sidenotes
39:00 Outro
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Missing info: Unfortunately, the family’s hands were missing because the dog had eaten them through a matter of starvation.
I'd love to hear what you folks think of this case! Honestly, this has to be one of the most interesting stories that I've seen in a while. Do you want to see more videos like this? And what do you think happened to David and his family?
Would absolutely love more like this. 👍
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I loved it - I saw the documentary about him several years ago and always hoped for a good video about it, you did a great job.
I just love that I have a long day of chores and you release this triumph!
Thank you for all the time and effort you put into your work. You continuously improve and we can clearly see that on every videos you upload. I can genuinely say you are one of a kind. Thank you for your passion 😊
Crazy how David passionately demanded freedom but provided none to his wife.
Is there any legal way to intervene when you realize this is happening to your loved one?!? How can we help them?!?
@@teresathayn5170yeah if only there was like some sort of uniformed force, let's call them the police or something!
@@ThomasSawyersthe wife beaters?
Sure. 👌
@@Lola-AreaCode212 wait no
This is what I was thinking the entire time 😂
I once read one of the biggest reasons why family annihilators do what they do, is so that the family will not bear witness to their failures. It fits this case perfectly
The also believe that they can't succeed with out them so there better off .. Its a strange mindset ..think the PTSD made it extreme and pushed this to happen
But their family usually is totally unaware of thr failure or debt.
She seemed to be aware. This seems more likely ptsd related.
Their pride means more to them than their own families. They need therapy.
Only they know whether it's suicide or murder
like that chandler guy who murdered his whole family because he was lying about somemuch things like being in college and his job at nasa
The case not getting lots of media attention might be more to do with the media not wanting to talk about the potential for troops to come home with severe mental health issues, and being a threat to their loved ones or the general public. I imagine they would want to sweep that under the rug.
A valid point, but unfortunately a byproduct of the fact that the programs of reintroducing military back into society and helping with mental health being completely removed...
Yea this feels like a coverup.. We know so much about any family killers but this one...one who is vocal about things regarding the Government. This one does not even have a wiki page
I think it’s more likely there is no rhyme or reason which cases spark a wildfire in the media. There are tons of cases on this channel that I can’t believe weren’t a big deal and then you got shit like Jodi Arias and I’m shocked that the media spent so much time on that case considering how non-interesting it is? In short, there is no cover up and it has nothing to do with a guy being an ex soldier. Hell, I never even heard of that mother and daughter who killed their entire family with anti-freeze until I saw a UA-cam about it.
So well covered up that someone from another continent needed to make a detailed video about it.
It had nationwide coverage when it happened.
I have to admit I chuckled on hearing that some posit that the handwriting matches David's because they "chopped David's hand off and used it as a prop to frame him."
Because, y'know, your handwriting style is literally contained within your hand. On a similar note, if you cut someone's tongue out and place it in your mouth you'll then talk exactly like them. Should also try getting yourself Ludwig van Beethoven's skeletal fingers and you'll become an instant master on the piano.
Did they find the hands? Hand writing can be forged. I’m not sure how you confirm that but to mock that part seams a little nieve.
@@TheoriginalBillBraskey Obviously handwriting can be forged. But seeing as the claim is that they *LITERALLY* cut off his hand in order to use it *TO* forge his handwriting style then I can mock it because, ironically, you'd need to be more naive than a toddler to have such a ludicrous line of thinking.
@@Macephtopheles Well, maybe in addition to forging his handwriting style they were also thinking that his DNA would be mixed in.
@@MsMollahJesus, you wouldn't have to cut off his hands to get his DNA on there. They could have just put the pen in his dead hand for a few minutes.
The lengths these conspiracy theorists will go to to make the story fit their narrative is insane!
Yeah, the guy didn't flip and murder his family, there's no way that happened! Someone must have broke in, killed them all, hung out in the house for days, staged the whole scene, including cutting off body parts, because THE GOVERNMENT!!! Yes! That's it!
Can't just be a sad tragedy and loss of life because of mental health problems, must be someone is out to get him!!
Got to love the irony of a guy who proclaims himself "all about freedom" who restricts his wife's movements, her friendships and eventually her contact with her own, seriously ill mother and her entire family. The guy was behaving more like a cult leader than a husband. There's no ambiguity about what happened here. Conspiracy theorists will believe what they want to believe, and they'll be wrong.
"...and they'll be wrong." As usual!!! 😆🤷🏻♀️
You nailed it!
Absolutely! He’s a POS for murdering his family. What a coward 😤
Long bow there I think. Many, many men act this way towards their wives, insecurity is the number 1 cause. We could talk about all the times the government has lied and ‘conspiracy theories’ became the truth, history is littered with it. Does it mean the government always lies? No. But you’re a fool to think they don’t. Hence, you can’t pin anyone believing a conspiracy theory as wrong, you’d be an ideologue yourself to suggest so in fact.
She chose to have no contact with them because they didn't accept her leaving Islam to become a Christian.
I think he did it. The military does a good job getting us ready for war but a terrible job getting us ready for peace. What a tragedy.
very very well said
Yes. So yes. They need to make the help a mandatory part of the end of service. Most of my friends are vets, and they say the same as you. One guy put it that he didn't even realize when his thinking was off, because while serving in a combat zone, it was really best if you were that way. So he never sought any of the help available, and wasn't sure how to get it, because no one explained it to him. Now he gets a lot of therapy, and does pretty good, but that's because there's a church group here that walks veterans through the process.
Agreed. Edit: treating our former service members like superannuated equipment, this infuriates me.
@@grmpEqweerunforthnately to the US military and the Military Industrial Complex, THEY are supernuated equipment.
@@bosunbill9059that's capitalism for you
Poor Komel & Reniah 💔
David sounds delusional, full of his own self importance, controlling, weak, dysfunctional, unable to seek the help he needed.
Half delusional in my opinion. His beliefs on government are spot on. We don’t need them
@@Beefystew101
Humans live in society, they have to in order to survive. And societies need some kinds of structure and organisation in order to work or then it's a free-for-all of chaos and violence. Which is why since the dawn of time humans grouped up and had leaders (heck, it's a thing for most animals, not just humans.)
The main issue is that governments aren't a just entity, they're made of humans. And humans are full of flaws. They're greedy, full of desires for power and profits, stubborn, controlled by their ambitions and emotions. On top of that, societies got bigger and bigger (due to the ambitions of the leaders), making it impossible to correctly listen and help everybody.
Humans need to live in society in order to survive and prosper, but, ironically, living with other humans is also like shooting ourselves in the foot.
There's no actual good solutions because humans can think, meaning we all develop different needs, desires and opinions. For wild animals it's easier to live in order and relative peace because they have a dominant-submissive relationship in their group.
@@Libellulaire You're better at making excuses than you are at finding solutions.
I dunno man, ask the Iroquois how they did so well managing decentralized peace before colonialism destroyed their culture.
We have a lot of frameworks for society yet people like you _choose_ to support the only one proven not to work.
I'd rather be a nomad gatherer living off of trash bin scraps than accept your excuses that things can't change.
He sounds like the typical far-right conspiratorial lunatic.
Classic clown euro response. Head up your ass (obviously)
I love your videos Adrian. As a UK born Pakistani female, you told this story in a respectful and balanced manner. Keep doing what you are doing, this is definitely your calling.
He believed so strongly in freedom for himself yet none for his wife. Make it make sense.
Misogyny! **jazz hands**
I can make it make sense. he was an Americunt. Americunts all require their life to be perfect while fucking over every other Americunt around them. Americunts can never be wrong! Every Americunt is like a corrupt cop... enforcing rules on others, but never themselves!!
Right wingers believe freedom begins and ends at themselves
The main issue with extremism
Okay Annie
I really just want to say that not all of us who deal with PTSD are this dangerous to anyone besides ourselves. What this man did disgusts me, and has the potential to keep a lot of people who really need help away from it at all costs. If you think you need help, or a very close, personal friend or family member tells you that you might need help, at very least consider it. I beg you to consider it not just for the people around you, but because you owe it to yourself to live the best life you possibly can. It's the one time when being selfish will benefit everyone, yourself included. Be well, everyone.
Narcissists don't think they need help!
Absolutely I have PTSD great you different reasons nothing to do with the military and war. I am honestly the least dangerous person unless you mess with my kids then I'll be the most dangerous person.
The military does not help its soldiers returning from active duty with their mental status.
I truly believe we should do more to help the veterans....I believe we should help them before giving money to other countries.. we need to help our own first!!!
Also have PTSD, and can confirm, we really aren’t dangerous to anyone but ourselves. Seeing it used as some excuse in violent cases always sickens me to my core
The VA has been "treating" me for PTSD the last 15 years. I tried to get a service related disability, they didn't even know who I was.
I wasn't. Dude here is...troubled. Very.
David was suffering from PTSD and paranoia. The way he isolated his wife is CLASSIC abuser behavior. He was mentally ill and his experiences in tge military amplified his condition. Plus his PASSION project was rejected? He viewed himself as failure yet wanted to be LEADER of his family the HEAD of the household who wasn't providing for his family and he HAD to be the center of his wife's universe. She was ill as well living with Stockholm Syndrome. Sad!
I am an acquaintance of a family member of David's and we talked a bit about what happened after the documentary about what happened was aired on TV several years back. You'll have to watch it to get the family's thoughts on it and they've been largely silent because it's not something they want to keep getting dragged up in. They've tried to move on from it. They don't blame David, he needed help. Help that the US government refuses to give the families of Vets after they force people to commit war crimes or leave them to die in a foreign country. There isn't a grand conspiracy that ended their lives, but the government played the lead role in creating this tragedy. A lot of the comments show that people quite frankly don't understand PTSD, especially from war and are merely obsessed with making snide remarks about how "controlling" David was.
LIAR !
You can be riddled with PTSD and still be controlling. A diagnosis does not excuse a behaviour
BULLSHIT you didn't know him or talk to his family! Explain how David was missing a hand that was never found. Also his daughter's head was missing. Try looking into the real facts of this case. There was no way he committed suicide. FUCKING LIES! He was too close to the truth of their plans in that movie. CIA bot here folks
It's very sad how our government treats it's vets. I've had plenty of friends and family in the service. They don't get the help they need. However, it obviously isn't an excuse for murder if he did it. He should've sought help, unfortunately. It's so tragic, all around.
I feel so sorry for the little girl. She was taken away way too soon. This man isolated his wife & selfishly took away her freedom. I don’t think he was fighting a just fight.
most people who cry about "their freedoms being taken away" often want to force away others rights.
@ddj(etc) You're spot on. They are projecting to the maximum. It couldn't be more obvious....
David hated any form of control and worried about his liberties being taken away, while he himself limited his wife's freedoms and decided things for her... I find it odd 🙁
3 5 9, now that's odd! 😊
Abusive spouses be like that.
Narcissism and sociopathic behavior.
I don't, that's pretty typical for these types of people.
It doesn't surprise me that after being forced into situations of violence and developing PTSD as a soldier, he developed a lot of issues with the idea of losing control of his life. The fear of loss of control probably influenced both his views on government as well as his abusive behavior.
I became obsessed with this story when I first read about it. It was a brutal heartless way of killing his wife and daughter which I don't think he was capable of doing. Hope to see more of this.
Trying to piece this as a government conspiracy really is a slap to the face to the troubles he was going through. The government does a lot of bad things, but this is clearly an act done by a man deeply damaged and in need of help.
Listen, think,use brain. Juat becausw youtube video says anything or leads you to think a way does not make it true. Think use multiple refrences. Use brain.
@@dollarcostbackpacker1226 what do you think of the crime?
The basis of the movie is WEF and globalist agenda, also, not sure if it is still up check out UN agenda 2039! What he is saying about his military experience is true! Not saying what happened later is very sad! For what he was doing you really need a very stable mind! He had some issues mentally, emotional, but it doesn't take away from what he was trying to do!
Unfortunately, I believe he snapped. Sad case for them and their families. 😢rip
@@debishvebishwish4839 He won't respond with an answer, just like most ideologues.
I was in a relationship with a man with intense untreated psychosis and schizophrenia and let me tell you being in that energy 24/7 started to effect me so much I started to experience psychosis as well. So I can relate to this lady. This poor woman and her child.
Psychosis can be contagious. There are studies that prove this. It’s SO easy to get sucked into a paranoid and negative person’s world. The aftermath of covid has created many paranoid types who all feed off each other. It is good to sceptical and to question everything but can easily tip over into paranoia for the gullible and naive and those who can’t critically think.
Folie au deux.
I'm so sorry. hope you're well and safe now.
You referred to that relationship in the past tense, so I'm guessing you got out of it intact? I hope so. Kinda like Forrest Gump said about a "box of chocolates," when people enter into relationships with someone, sometimes there's just no telling what kind of "chocolate" you picked. You might really not like that piece of chocolate. Hope life is much better for you now.
@@kimmuckenfuss2284 I am indeed. I appreciate that :)
The thing that I keep thinking about is how when he was forced into his last tour, he refused to "kill" anyone else, so was delegated to non-combat duties. Makes you wonder what could have possibly happened to cause him to kill his own family.
He didn't...
@@susand4424Exactly,he was a loving husband and dad. He didn't killed his beloved family. Gray State was a threat to government,and we know what happens to those who openly disclose how government works.
@@MiriamdeLezo677He was another guy with PTSD, another conspiracy theorist saying "I know it all" because he was sent to war among thousands of others, without any kind of important decision making roll.
"A threat to the government" is somebody like Edward Snowden, for example. This family anhiliator wasn't as important or knowledgeable as you want to believe.
@@MiriamdeLezo677oh wow, so all of this was a lie? He never controlled his wife or monitored her or anything like that? Should we report this video for being a lie?
@@JB-bm1to How would you know that it was truth? Would you guarantee with your property, or your life, that this presentation was objective and truthful? You like that dude, and you trust "authorities"?
Obviously I am a fan of True Crime (you're awesome, by the way) but I feel as though I failed here somehow. I was born in Owatonna, grew up in Minneapolis through the "Murderapolis" years, and continue to live in Minnesota to this day, and I NEVER heard about this one! I plan to dive into it now since I find that extremely odd. Thank you so much for bringing this one to the light!!
David's story was kept hush hush
because certain people didn't want his "Gray State" movie being made. Tptb wanted all David's thoughts, opinions & ideas to go away, asap. Everything he said 15-20 yrs ago, it's all happening B4 our eyes today.
@@user-xl6nu2ef5dtptb are obviously doing a great job. With that being said; the events were tragic regardless of how it all transpired. With the particulars of the subject matter of the film; it does create a bit of reasonable doubt. On the other side of the coin is; the PTSD and controlling behaviors. Which, seems to have been the most likely scenario. But, some aren't ruling out MK Ultra programming. But, I'm certain those people are labeled, "Conspiracy Theorists" just like David and a lot of his supporters were/are.
The internet is dead. These are all bots.
The internet is dead.
I didn't know that his wife was a Muslim and that she had converted to Christianity. Could this possibly be an honor killing?@@melodymiller4870
I know a man who went from a totally adjusted, happy, family man to suicidal in just a month's time. He had invested heavily in what turned out to be an exit scam. When he realized he was financially ruined, he stopped sleeping for over a week - no sleep at all - and went mad with anxiety. All it takes is the right buttons to be pressed and anyone can go mad.
interesting
Did he succeed at suicide or get help?
Did he end up getting help in the end?
I agree
What you mean by exit scam?
Him returning stuff to his friends was a sign.... a lot of people who take their own lives will often pass off items before committing the act. It's so heartbreaking he took his wife and daughter's lives. He definitely suffered from PTSD... did anyone else notice the weird way "forever" was written on the post-it note?
Foarevur????
He might just not have been good at spelling. I've seen worse.
And? He misspelt the word. No big deal
He was actually an intelligent individual so unless it was intentional there's no was to have screwed up "forever" that badly.
We spelled that as an inside joke from “The Sand Lot”
Right he was planning it
Very professionally done, Adrian. Congrats on a great job; I'm sure the research was time-consuming.
@ 8:48- I'm sorry, what??!?! You're just going to blow past the fact that he made her record all conversations with her friends?!?! Even for a controlling partner, that is completely insane!
I think it’s a stretch to think this guy was important enough to be a target of the government. He was mostly dangerous in his own mind.
Haha that’s exactly what I was thinking! He was a nobody, the government doesn’t target nobodies
yeah all he did was make videos but they didnt garner so much attention to raise a red flag with government officials
Absolutely. His theories are mainstream today, and we're hardly groundbreaking back then.
@@MarinkaSea911 Ordenery people in the USSR where tortured (if accused) and than shiped to gulag or killed on spot. Why do you think US goverment would be any kinder, why, beacouse of democracy?
Then you don't know about Aaron Swartz? Now, they didn't take him out, but Obama ruined his life to the point that he took his own self out. He also had similar views about the gov as this man. There's also the story of the soldier Private Needham.💯Facts and truth. So, I wouldn't think that if I were you, js. GOD is awesome💯🥰🤍
You shoved so much into 40 minutes and I'm feeling like I just watched a two hour documentary. So well done. This is why I love your channel.
I watched a documentary about this case years ago and haven’t seen anything about it since. This was a great video, well done!
That introduction was probably the most charged and vibrant I've seen from you ,you also look really well putting a bit of timber on along with a load of new subs and a better income,you deserve all the good things and take care r kid I'm going camping for a few months I'll catch up on your top notch content if I make it back .
The thing that stands out to me the most is the fact that the dog survived. If this was meant to be a professional coverup, I don't see the dog living. Barking attracts way too much attention, alerts the family and neighbors, and if you get bitten, you might leave DNA behind.
Just to play devil's advocate, if he loved his dog he wouldn't want it to potentially starve. Again, just a counterargument, not a claim.
@@Jerm-DigsI don’t think it would starve 😕 tbh I haven’t watched the video yet so I still don’t know the context. But a fact that’s stuck with me for a long time is that if left in a home with a deceased, cats will start feeding off of it faster than dogs would but ultimately they would feed off of it
@@Jerm-Digs It didn't starve, it ate their bodies. Adrian says it in the video.
@@dizzytophwe need to make a rule where you can’t comment until you watch the video 🤦♀️
@@bunnyb1599 right, but the suspect wouldnt willfully allow that. I'm sure he wasnt like, "when fido gets hungry, he can just nibble on my face. Common sense escapes people I suppose
A friend recommended me to view your channel as I'm a big consumer of True Crime, and this is the first video I've watched so far, and wow: your coverage is absolutely fantastic and very rarely do I find a case I haven't heard about, but this is one of them. Kudos, subbed.
"Memories that are suppressed, can still silently cause havoc in the background"
This is very true
Ti's too true, friend.
I've worked on movie sets and if you can't delegate and you mix in some mental health issues...you'll 100% have a nervous breakdown and/or find an addiction. Too many moving parts for one person. It can be extremely overwhelming when you've got money/time restraints/deadlines/location & equipment issues/delays that cost time/money. Mix *YEARS* of sleep deprivation, continuously pondering film issues, hyper-focusing on conspiracy ideas and it's literally a mental disaster waiting to happen. He may have seen this as a final hail-Mary to get eyeballs on his film. I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did. *It's a shame that his family had to be punished for his inability to reign in his obsession.* 😓
This man had a psychotic break due to various life instances and decided that he would take his family with him. It's very sad because he was so controlling that he had to control their death as well. Such a tragedy. May their souls rest in peace.
I agree
He didn't have a psychotic break. He knew what he was doing
@Coffeehouse Crime, Adrian please be sure to take care of yourself as these deep dives must have an impact on you. You are truly kind, caring and compassionate and I can’t imagine how you must have felt seeing the pictures that you did.
You end your videos asking us to take care of ourselves, so as a longtime fan I’m asking you to do the same. God bless you my friend
Excellent work , Adrian as always. I hope Nero has recovered nicely from his surgery.
This is such a heart wrenching case. I hope they all can now rest in peace. My sympathy to the families.
Him returning things to others before the killings rang a bell - a friend of mine did this prior to taking her own life in the 90s.
That is always a bad sign ☹️
yes, it is a pattern that they do that, need to sort out their paperwork
@@beaulieuc8910 You're so right. We found out she'd paid all her bills and had disconnected her utilities. She'd been to my house the night before wanting to retrieve a book she'd lent me but I was out of town. RIP Sharon 🙏
My ex did this, he gave some things to a close friend befor his suicide
@@cherylwest9538 🙏💜
David accused others of what he did himself. I believe he was not only damaged from his service but had narcissistic tendencies. When narcissists don’t get what they want they are capable of anything….yes….even murder. So sad for his wife and child.
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And whining.
Narcissistic tendencies n actually being narcissistic are 2 different things. In fact everyone in the world has some sort of narcissistic tendency/ies. It’s very ignorant to say that he was a narcissist because narcissists are not like this. Yes he showed tendencies but that doesn’t mean he was a full narcissist. It seems to me that he was jus mentally broken n consumed by his work from all the stress n etc., n as the video states, he slowly was worn down day by day. Till eventually all that stress n negative thoughts caused him to make an impulsive decision n kill his whole family including himself. Please educate yourself n learn to say things that are true instead of wat u think might be true.
@@Mownees Good point. I see the words "narcissism" and "psychopath" tossed around like confetti and the pop psychology pap that comes along for the ride muddies the waters to a high degree.
@@goblin-night All true. But the bit about how controlling he was with his wife by cutting her off from friends and family and even recording her conversations with her girlfriends. What was all that then?
They say the dog ate the hands…but Iv also watched a expert say he thinks they got cut off. Something sketchy happened if this is the case.
Name one thing that the government doesnt tax or restrict
The guy wants to talk about "liberty", but doesn't allow his wife to leave the house or have friends?? Awesome 🙄
Then she could cheat on him, her friends will start badmouthing him, etc Not everyone wants to deal with that shit.
He is simply afraid of the outside world, he saw it as something dangerous thus why he didnt want her wife to be out there as well because it was dangerous.
@@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 I hope youre not condoning that behavior.
@@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 don't try to justify his actions, and you don't know that she'd cheat, not everyone is a cheater. This man was a disgusting abuser
@@Alejojojo6 don't try to justify this guy's disgusting abusive and manipulative behavior.
It’s always a red flag when your partner tries to keep u away from family and monitors your friend group! Sad sad case may the innocent souls rest in peace 🙌🏼🥺
Not really. She's an immigrant and could get tricked by ill intentioned people.
@@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 yeah like her husband lmao, from her ending it looks like she could have better luck befriending a beggar
@@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 Second generation, from immigrant parents. She'd be far more likely to be tricked by ill-intentioned people while isolated like that. And... she was! Her husband!
@@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203what a crock. The only person she was tricked by was her ill-intentoned narcissist, family annihilator of a husband.
I believe he killed his family and himself. This hits close to home because my mother has cancer and my sister's husband, who is also in the military, has isolated her and my nieces from everyone they were close to...we have not physically seen them in 3 years.
So sorry you and your family are going through that. I wish your mom healing and that the rest of you guys reconnect. That must be so difficult. 😢
@@AshCupric Thank you so much.
Please force yourself into their circle Better to be rejected time and time again than living with guilt or regret afterwards.
Sorry to hear that. I have haven’t seen my nephews who were raised in our house for a & a half year due to their mother’s delusions. They are my mums only grandchildren and it’s truly heart breaking. I miss them and dream about them from time to time and wake up feeling so sad. Sending you love 💖
You do such a good job putting these videos together Thank you for your work
When he allowed his wife to see her friends, he made her record her conversations?! He's an abuser, and definitely killed his family and himself. I'm glad his dog ate him. R.I.P. to his wife and daughter.
So much for being pro freedom...
@@marooshfs1life is full of what if’s,we can all mirror our own thoughts and beliefs onto something but that doesn’t make them facts.
Why would a government agency bother to kill the child? Also I truly believe they’ve got more important things to do than murder a failing film maker‼️
@@marooshfs1If the "government" wanted a clean coverup, so the world wouldn't "wake up," they'd stage a drunk driving accident, a hiking fall, a freak accident, etc. They wouldn't slaughter the whole family, paint the walls in blood, and create a "mystery" around a would-be martyr. This guy's every move, especially the family isolation, is clear as day annihilator behavior.
@@marooshfs1And last note on targeting someone questioning "the state" or government: There are many more docs, a plethora of similar films and genres, and bigger conspiracy theory directors than him. Why would a government target him and none of the others? Wouldn't this be endemic across the USA? It's not. Because he did it.
I thought the same. Classic abuser behavior.
His wife and daughter look so lovely and fun. He broke them down and took their freedom then their lives. He should have got help for his ptsd and cherished what he had.
If only it was THAT easy! 😮💨🤦♀️
Not really. You can tell by videos that Komel was smitten with him. She always seemed bubbly and happy. She could have done much better than her choice of mate, honestly.
I love Coffee house Crime. I learn so much about human tragedy watching this channel. Thank you to the team-its a service to humankind. Keep telling these crime stories. My opinion on this case? he was driven to utter despair and killed everyone and himself. He took out his anger on the persons who loved him the most-his family.
40 minute video is like a mini documentary, awesome.
I really enjoyed covering this story!
@@CoffeehouseCrime One of your best to date.
It’s documentary length if you think it in terms of cable tv
You can tell when Adrian is into a case cause he does the deep dive. Not that all his cases aren't very well composed with facts and his quirkiness. But when he's really into it he goes the extra mile. Fine work, mate.
@@CoffeehouseCrimegiggity
I live in Apple Valley, not far from the house. I recall this being in the news, but NOT the information you put forth. It was generally believed he killed the family and himself. And that's probably what happened. Terrible tragedy. Thank you.
That’s kind of the point here. You were fed via the media half a story. Im not saying it’s not what happened. But given THESE facts here. It’s absolutely something to consider. It’s not like the government don’t distort the truth ALL the time
He snapped! He did it! 😢
@@carachantler2325 This isn't the first time I've heard about this. I was right up there in Minneapolis when this happened unfortunately. I seen all the graphic pictures and everything that when along with this unfortunate story! I also was in Minneapolis when George Floyd was killed by those jack booted thugs!! I lived on Chicago Ave (same street where he was killed) that's when I came home to South Florida. And they say Florida is a bad state!:
I lived not too far away, a few blocks closer to Cedar Ave. I loved Apple Valley and if I could live there again, I would in a heartbeat. Just so incredibly, incredibly sad he did this.
Best crime story I've literally ever watched..... So filled with real life misinformation
This was extremely interesting, yet undoubtedly sad. I hope their family & friends are doing as well as can be expected. ♥️
One part, I was confused about,
How is making a TV series (instead of a movie)
Considered a failure?
If that was me, I would have taken that deal in a heartbeat
In the 90s and early 2000, TV series were only filmed if the story wasn't good enough. He grew up with this stereotype. Nowadays TV series are really successful and more liked than a film.
@@minniewinnie4868 Good point. TV used to be considered kind of like the minor leagues while movies were the major leagues. Still, he supposedly was all about spreading this message that he considered so critical for all Americans to know about, and TV would have absolutely accomplished that, so I think his ego got the better of him. Although he also obviously had serious mental health issues that probably played a big role.
I can't imagine what David would have thought if he had lived through Covid. Damn, what a tragedy what happened to his wife and daughter. It breaks my heart what he did to them.
You do realize that COVID has existed since the 60s. There are different versions of COVID.
@@krisk7676 You must be fun at parties.
@@samr1013truth hurts haha 😂
@@krisk7676 youre exhausting. yes we know covid is an umbrella term for the wide range of viruses that fall within the category assigned for those specific types. youre not intellectually superior to anyone offering clarification no one needed. when he says "living through covid" he pretty obviously refers to the time period of the global quarantines due to the pandemic from 2020 - 2023. i hope youre all caught up now hun
@@krisk7676 You're like a caricature of the average Redditor. "Um ACKSHUALLY..."
He absolutely did it. He couldn’t take his failure and had to bring his family down with him.
Yeah. JFK shot himself too eh.
Giving away possessions or suddenly giving back everything you've borrowed is a suicide indicator. So, absolutely what happened here.
My thanks to you Adrian for covering this tragedy in such a clear and informative way. I feel heart sorry for them all 😟
Today i was going through UA-cam and clicked to this story for which i waited so long. Thanks for sharing this heartbreaking story. I hv read more than 10 times bt wanted to watch your vlog. 👍🏻
Great episode. Absolutely horrible crime, it was obvious that his mind was breaking, sad that his wife and daughter had to suffer for it.
Paranoid-schyzo and PTSD, but he was under pressure, i think this was one of his episodes... Maybe wife told him she wanted a divorce, it would explain everything...
@@jovancukic1290sadly, that would make sense, seen far to many cases where the abused partner/spouse says “I’m leaving” or “I want a divorce” and they get horrifically beaten and barely survive, or just killed. This is why I’ve always believed it’s much safer for the abused spouse to make an escape plan and do it quietly when it’s safe, because abusive men like David tend to get more and more violent.
You must leave quietly. I'm not in that situation but if I was I would find it hard to leave as it's simply my house, my mortgage, my everything & to get him to leave physically would be extremely difficult because he'd then know that you want to end the relationship. But if you can, the smallest white flag, plan your escape very very quietly & discreetly.
The movie sounds like what’s going on now in our world
Yes!… but it’s a “conspiracy”… nothing to see here… vet has psychotic break.. “controls” his wife end of story…
Omg 40 minutes long AND it's not 90% interrogation footage with no commentary?? God I love your videos so much. Thank you for the effort in giving SO much background to events and shining a light on not as well known happenings. The focus on the victims as well, thank you so so much.
you don't have to disparage other channels' content here just because it's not your preference. adrian's style is already very markedly different and has never been like that. i don't see any reason why someone would make that remark here, where it's fully irrelevant, other than to demean channels like dreading. that's uncalled for.
@@asmokeus plus dreading is great too
@@asmokeusNo one even mentioned channels names here, only you. and I have to agree with OP, most channels are literally interrogation footage with little commentary. There's nothing wrong with stating this channel is doing better than others in that aspect. There's also nothing wrong with having a different preference than others and expressing that.
@@asmokeus I like how you called out channels yourself. I love and prefer how this channel does things simple as that and I wanted to express what I like about this channel. No sarcasm, to each their own. You enjoy that more power to you. I don't see why you're taking what I like about this channel as a personal offense.
@@chickenapplepie3141Some people just love to argue.
I agree with your first comment and wish you a great summer!
Greetings from Germany!
Thank you so much for your content and hope all is well! My thoughts go out to all involved in this situation.
Laying down the facts and letting us decide is why i love your channel
Too many people were already aware of the "conspiracy" theories he was putting into his movie for there to be a concern for him making it. I don't think anyone is to blame for their deaths but David, himself. He was so oppressive with his beautiful wife yet she seemed totally infatuated with him. Very sad situation. David had issues, and seems prior to the war, due to his control over his wife. Prayers for their families. TBH, I think this may have happened even without him working on the movie. Sadly, his wiring was a little tangled.
His wife was average looking.
@@azazello1784It really don't matter
@@shaylanacub2978 I agree. But for some reason a lot of people feel the need to mention that the victim was beautiful.
@@azazello1784 Okay and? They say that about a lot of women in these cases, which are beautiful women in their own way. Even though it really don't matter to point out, but they do. I Believe him and other creators do the same, so
But what if he was murdered and framed for murdering his family? Not saying it happened, but is there proof it didn’t?
I'm a big Mexican fan of your channel. Even without the option of subtitles (which happened with this particular one), I'm able to understand everything you say and that's amazing. I love your clarity and good pace for storytelling. Best wishes to you from afar, Adrian. 🇲🇽👍
*I am Mexican and a big fan of your channel* the way you wrote it makes it sound like you're an overweight Mexican ceiling fan.
I love Mexico & miss it very much (British expat living in France).
@@Charlotte-and-Georgecom my husband and best of men, is British so I'm very fond of your country. So lovely to read something nice about Mexico. Best wishes to you too. 🤗🇲🇽🇬🇧
this comment and the replies are so sweet. My friend from high school is currently working in small restaurants around Mexico (she's a very talented young chef!), so I've been keeping up with her adventures online. What a beautiful country, I'm sorry that international news tends to focus on crime stories about Mexico.
@@RealElongatedMuskrat I'm glad to read the perception you have about Mexico. As any country, we deal with problems but the reality is utterly different from what media says. You'll be always welcome to enjoy all the things Mexico can offer. So weird reading nice comments in a channel of crimes 😁. Big hugs to you. 🤗🇲🇽
I hope Ñero recovers quickly. Thank you for another great video!
Actual crime story begins around 24:50
I think it was murder suicide and the writing makes it almost look like a halter skelter “bring on what you’re so blind to” kind of thing. I just can’t stop thinking about that poor little girl who didn’t get to enjoy life.
This case was dark & sad for me. I do believe David possibly had a severe mental breakdown to a point where he committed familicide. You did a great job on this story! Thank you Adrian!!
He wasn’t wrong about the state of things even though his end wasn’t good. It’s well documented and spoken out loud by high government officials.
This story was very well presented. Thank you.
May the woman, her daughter, and the dog be in peace forever ❤
I thought they said the dog lived.
@@tanyaroberson9629after eating flesh... probably got put down tbh
@@Asidelove That makes no sense. Anyone would've done the same.
@@duchessofhazjack4878 well a dog and a human aren't the same thing. When dohs get the taste for flesh it's hard to rehab that. Most of the time they are put down
@@Asidelove Ahh fair enough, I didn't know that. That's really sad considering it was just using it's survival instinct and lost it's owners too :( strange how the killer left the dog alone and strange it didn't whine/howl and alert people in the subsequent days. Strange neighbours didn't notice no one coming out for 3 weeks!
I believe he had a mental break and killed his family. His odd behavior like writing on the walls was manic behavior. With his history, stress, pressure, issues with family, and paranoia, its the perfect recipe for what happened.
@@beebeemo you can be mentally ill and it not be an "excuse", them stating such doesnt excuse anything
the clip shown here of David speaking--it seemed a if he was manic and there was a stare n his eyes that looked off
I was thinking his symptoms of depression, possible mania, and paranoia made him a contender for Schizoaffective Disorder. It's not an excuse, it's a possible explanation, that's all. People in other comments are arguing about it a lot. All we can do is theorize, and I'm okay with that. I guess other people aren't.
@@beebeemoyou're ignorant asf
thats what I'm thinking
"The military being used as a blunt instrument of foreign policy, AS IT SHOULD" is an insane statement to make in almost any context.
I live in the bustling metro area of Minneapolis, Minnesota and have NEVER EVER heard of this!
Isolating a partner and/or any family members is a sure sign of an abuser.
She was just as involved as he was in the film and if you've seen their home video's she was becoming delusional and thought there was ghost's or something in their home. They played off of each other, their videos becoming more and more bizarre.
What a beautiful family... such a sad tale.😢Clearly a case of untreated mental health issues left unchecked.
she was crazy for not leaving him.
@@gucci3541 She was terrified and trapped.
@@gucci3541she was likely terrified of her violent husband and too afraid to leave him, let’s not call her “crazy” for living in fear
@@ZombieSazza she had a job and still stayed with him. she knew he was insane.crazy people do not react to danger.
@@ekramer2478 she could have move to her parents. instead, she stopped communicating with sick mother. she was stupid.
Just found your channel. This guy just reminds me so much of Chris Watts who also murdered his family.
No third party involved in this, he obviously had issues paranoia , narcissistic behaviour etc.
Really tragic case
29:00 smash burger isn't even good food, the real crime here.
When you said ‘this could be a cover up by the government’ 😭 you trying to remain impartial is quite sweet. Great video!
He was trying not to piss off the idiots. Lmao
@@StormcrowETC Good luck with that. Idiots will get pissed at anything. And after writing this response, I may just be provoking them further. Ah well. Here's hoping it promotes a legitimate discussion and not a flame/hate war.
While I haven't scrolled extensively through the comments, I do find it interesting that everything I have seen has focused primarily on the latter part of the video and what he did (or potentially didn't) do. I've yet to see anything on the political side of things, which on the one hand is good, but 9 years later, this country has arguably gotten worse.
I'm pretty much a pacifist myself-I say pretty much because I've honestly never been in a situation in my adult life where I've been tempted to use violence to solve it. I'd like to think that, even if we were in a "Purge" situation (the movie) or some other evil thing happened, I'd still not become violent towards others, but I don't honestly know. I don't condone violence though, and I have sworn an oath to myself to not pass the circle of violence, hate, racism, and fear on to the next generation. I may only be one individual, but it dies with me.
Having said that though, I find myself more than a little scared because I do consider myself to be progressive when it comes to politics. I've had many a thought over the last few years... lets call it since 2016 or so... that we desperately need major reform in all areas of the political arena. Congress is far too old in my opinion, as is the Supreme Court, and heck, even Biden is too old to realistically run again. Then there's the corruption that is rampant throughout the system, money in politics, way too many judicial decisions that punish people differently for the same crime to reasonably say that there isn't a racial bias in the courts... I could go on. Further, I do believe that we SHOULD rise up against this corruption and restore the government to what it should be. To quote the Declaration of Independence:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
I do not and will not condone violence, and we have shown in the past that changes can be made without resorting to bloodshed. Rosa Parks and Martin Luthor King Jr. are two individuals who come to mind that have done just that. It's just scary, hearing Adrian talk about David's political views and I'm like... we should have done that years ago. Again, I would emphasize doing it as non-violently as possible, ideally with no blood having to be shed at all.
textbook narcissist.
love bombing and getting married in a span of weeks, controlling behavior on his wife, making her cut ties with her family, and in the end the shame from his failure became too much to confront and he ended up killing them all, while still trying to maintain his image after death by attempting to suggest a break in. Disgusting.
I don't often comment, but I do enjoy your channel. This hit home, I live in the Twin Cities and hadn't heard about this. It's tragic all around. It's also puzzling in different ways, at least to me. You did a great job with this despite the weight of the subject matter.
As always, great work. God bless you and your family
I hate that some people want to almost excuse his behavior because he was a vet and had PTSD. He sounds like a classic abuser to me, all the hallmarks of it, he just happened to also have PTSD. And it’s nothing new that people stay in these dangerous relationships until they’re killed. So sad
It doesn't take PTSD to make an asshole an asshole. It just changes how said assholery expresses itself.
Eh. No evidence of that. People with PTSD can become abusers after the fact. There isn’t an excuse either way. Only reasons as to what happened.
The diagnosis of PTSD isn't due to some rage, control or "negative" behaviour. The key diagnosis is a BIG change in themself.
Example, someone who spent every day outside, socialising now remains locked in and vice versa. Someone who is violent, now hates blood or physical contact and again vice versa. These behaviours can change over time, negative and positive.
I'm not sure if this man was officially diagnosed and I do not excuse his actions for one second. But if it was PTSD that in itself is a contradiction as to what you stated. It's by no means your fault, there should be more awarenes of this so hopefully it may save more lives and futures.
Heart breaking what happened there. RIP to them all, especially the wife and child.
@@SimplyAustinsI have ptsd and yes, ptsd changes you drastically, and definitely isn’t an excuse but can be apart of the reason as to why it happened
Anyone who willingly joins the military is either an idiot or mentally unwell. He seemed relatively intelligent so that’s the only reason I’d agree with the ptsd shout
Why does anyone think he had a calm demeanor meanwhile didn't want his wife to leave the house.
And not to mention the red flags about his manipulative behavior…
she was educated women. what was wrong with her.????why did she listen to ABSURD????
@@gucci3541 Because this is how abuse works. It isolates you. It breaks you down. It BLAMES you. And then no one wants to help. Or if they do, you cannot reach them and are all alone, and at the mercy of that abuser.
Because in his paranoia of the outside world, he was scared of that, he wanted to shield his family from it.
Like all high-functioning psychopaths he would’ve been a master of manipulation. Nobody ever knows what’s really going on because the crazy is always hidden behind a mask.
Sounds a lot like a narcissist who didn't get what he wanted.
Locking up his wife and forcing her to cut contact to outside world, while raising himself above others, pretending to be the most important and intelligent person in the world.
Sadly a very classic case with a classic ending
I think after experiencing a high level of stress and feelings of failure, it affected his mental health which led him to sacrifice himself and his family thinking that was the only way he had left to get his message out.
His hands were... missing? That's seems pretty damn important to say that he didn't do it
That poor girl. Having a young child at a similar age, her smiles and joyous eyes reminded me so much of my child. Heartbreaking. May she and her Mum rest in peace now and always have peace from now on.
Thank you for your work 🙏🏼
Thank you for covering this case
You know what... please take it from me who has been frustrated and jaded in both the music and art industry. For over two decades, I've been so close to the taste of massive success and that first huge paycheck and I've lost it all, over and over again through both denial letters and powerful executives in suits. I've been in a band that was very talented and nearly signed to a major label but then turned down because of other people's screw-ups. I've also worked hours upon hours on paintings which got denied in the end. Failure after failure both big and small. To see David put in 4 years of work into a film which actually had potential to be picked up but then denied at the end - I would have lost my marbles too. It's a terrible feeling. I've felt it. He should have taken that TV series option but some would say that it would be considered selling out. The fact that he said no to it shows you how passionate he was about his work. That much more reason to believe that he definitely lost his mind in the end. It was such a giant failure in his mind that he saw it as impossible to try again. So sad.
So many thoughts about this tragedy. David likely killed his family and himself given the fact that he returned things to friends and seemed suddenly calm and happy. These are common signs of suicidal intentions. It sounds like their world just contracted into a very insular and tight place in their house alone and isolated. David could have become more delusional and depressed and pulled his wife into the same state. It’s not surprising that he ended all of their lives within this isolation. It’s possible his wife was over it and wanted to leave, but she seemed very committed to him so I don’t know if she would have actually told him that or considered it. Their little girl was so adorable and affectionate. It’s awful that David believed that they all had to die. He definitely fits the family annihilator profile. His soul was wounded by the horrors of war and he tried to express some of that pain in his filmmaking; when that work seemed to fall apart I think David’s efforts to control his pain through controlling the narrative and his wife just broke into pieces. I think he no longer felt that he could survive and make sense of the world. Shame was likely a factor, too. Many men don’t know how to deal with perceived failure and emotional pain. That’s at the heart of the family annihilator’s despair. I hope their families are finding healing and peace of their own after such a tragic loss. 😢 Thanks for sharing this story, Adrian.
So excited ur covering this
well if his hands were missing it doesn’t seem at all plausible that he killed his family and then shot and killed him self does it! How can you cut your hands off and then shoot your self?
Dog ate them. As it should have because it sat in that house with his body for 3 weeks.
@CoffeehouseCrime You Sir, have the most calm demeanor and the most eloquent way of narrating your crime documentaries! I have been hooked for several months now, just wanted to pay you this compliment, my friend! 💗 Take care, and I look forward to many more exhilarating stories!!
i really feel for kamal's family. Her poor mother knowing her daughter was brain washed and died by by husband's doing.
Komel*
@@emilymulcahykamel*
@@boricua1123 no, komel, "Komel Crowley was a registered dietitian who, like her husband, mostly worked from their Apple Valley home." Research before you prove your stupidity
She was what we Pakistani Muslims refer to as a غدار کسبی
@@aq1184 yeah, like that's understandable if you don't speak that language...
Ty for covering this case!!
And ironically, that's what's happening in the world right now......
Great work buddy!!
occam’s razor applies to this murder case. The simplest answer is correct. He was a nutter that had his wife record conversations she had with friends. Way beyond crazy. Poor little baby girl…
Exactly.. "when you hear hoofbeats think horses, not zebras".
Women- do not ever let anyone control your life, tell you who you can be friends with, or keep you from your family. Run as fast as you can and never look back!
Men also, don't let crazy ass women control you, run for the hills and don't forget your wallet!
Amen.
@@drivingbritt9617Yep, it goes both ways.
It's harder than you think they slowly manipulate you is horrible.
Well they were Muslims....they're down with that kind of thing
Good job, Adrian... on bringing a lengthy video.
These kinds of cases are difficult to draw any conclusion on. If I was to guess, though? David and his family were struggling. He was internally dealing with military horror and failed film career. I think he snapped and ended it all together because of the aspects surrounding the case.
Great video as always!