I regret playing The Ottoman Empire...
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- Опубліковано 9 гру 2022
- In this run as the Ottoman Empire in The Great War Redux, we try to make the Sick Man of Europe not suck as much
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Bitt3rSteel: "I think whoever did this mod did a great job, it feels fun."
Also Bitt3rSteel every 2 minutes: "I hate this, I detest the warfare"
The duality of man
We paradox fans do this a lot huh
@@voltagethename9959 one might say, "it's a paradox"
@@iwantcrawfish6110 another might say “it’s interactive”
the work on the "story" + map tiles might be good, but the hardest thing is doing the guns and shit. This is why I'd never change equipment no matter what type of mod i try to create😂
Understandable, even the Ottoman Empire regrets playing as the Ottoman Empire
A *nice* amount of likes
Facts lmao
Not enough to apologize to the Armenians though apparently 💀
@@rileywilsonepicarcher9995 rip lol
@@rileywilsonepicarcher9995 Funny1915 was not a genocide, it was a friendly joke
World War I in this playthrough is pretty historical for the Ottoman Empire. Enemies all sides, crippling debt, a under-equipped military and naval invasions you can't stop. "I was under-equipped, I was cocky and now they are going to kill me" is a pretty apt description overall of the WWI Ottoman Empire.
Rather than being cocky, ottomans felt the war was the only option to save the empire. Economic reasons played big part in the decision. By entering the war they refused the debts, capitulations and focused on getting back what was lost before and end up losing all. So it was more of a double or nothing gamble.
@@cesimcan9041 yeah and to end diplomatic isolation
From my experience, you need to buff Germany's AI in the game setup by one or two to get them to last long enough for you as a minor to be able to support. As can be seen in this video, the Central Powers collaspe by 1915 or '16 without that buff. Buffing Germany (and even Austria) usually allows them to break Russia by 1916 and hold out until 1918.
Which is historically more accurate
I played a game where I was bulgaria, weakened the ottomans, so the russians, etc walked through, but I havent seen germany and austria-hungary cap??
@@randorider4447 they probably changed it now
Plot twist: The next video is him saving his own disaster save.
Bro yes please
XD
And just gives it a normal title and pretends it’s a viewer save
You laugh but he has done this, i believe a year and a half ago now, so before you originally posted
You should send the save to Alex the rambler as a disaster save maybe he can fix it
LOL
Alex is dumb, he can fix nothing
Shots fuckin fired
10:00 Surpised no one's talking about how BitterSteel called Serbia Persia.
Yeah I was just gonna say that lmao
That’s what I’m saying
same thing
Apparently the legacy of the 4th lancer is referring to a battle won by the ottoman with the last successful cavalry charge of their history in 1918.
how can it be the legacy if it happens later on though?
@@cc0767 no idea
@@cc0767 time travel. obviously.
I guess fix your army after the war when you become giga Chad Ataturk
@@voltagethename9959 cringe ataturk fanboy, i bet you believe the sun language "theory" is true.
Love an ottoman run. Specially a WW1 version. Also you point about how all focuses lead to Rome is very true
If you conquered all the balkans you could core all their territories
I played Bulgaria in this mod but with no single dls and i noticed that white piece is never a good option to and howidzers are good after you have the economy for them for the balkan wars artillery works just fine balkan countys dont produce anything but guns after you get their territory you can swap and for the great war 8howizer divizions can break northern france so ez just follow the ports in northern france and connect them with railway so no convoys needed
@@deyan6915 punctuation
@@dogdog2635 tfc up bruh
@@dogdog2635 🤓
@@deyan6915 примирието след втората балканска война е ок според мен. модът като цяло е ужасно лимитиран, като Сърбия примерно нямаш избора да дадеш Македония на България, и България дори ако спечели втората балканска война пак ще се съюзи с централните сили. освен да направят great war redux redux, не знам
The worst about these wwi mods is that so very few of them ever consider that the player might not suck as the ottomans. This usually results in there not being a wwi.
honestly whenever I play GWR I buff the AI of the Entente (unless I'm playing them, in which case I buff the Central Powers)
How come not sucking as the Ottomans mean no WW1 ??
@antoinelachapelle3405 no ww1 for the player at least because if you beat italy and the balkans there's no real need to join the war
I think this mod was amazing at making you feel like how the actual leaders of the central powers felt
Pure pain
Fun fact : though 4 empires were toppled by the events of WW1, the Sick Man of Europe was the last one to fully collapse
The 4th lancers were a cavalry regiment that fought against the british or something.
no
@@ahmetsamet7428 thank ahmet
For one thing, you don't have to add the "or something"
And it's referring to a 1918 battle won against, yes the British, by an Ottoman Cavalry unit known as the 4th lancers.
Yes, it's the legacy of a future event.
The event to end the war is so unbalanced. Only if you play as Germany you can avoid it
I totally understand the pain playing as the Ottomans, Kaiserreich or GWR.
yeah great war redux reminded me why we kicked ottoman, refused sevr and found a new state
@@doctorwhat779 what?
@@s3cidlp I am talking about Turkish Independence War
@@doctorwhat779 Yeah but what did you achieve? The new State was founded and the great Ottomans were „kicked“? I mean thats nothing to be proud but a shame!
@@s3cidlp Great Ottomans? They more not great at that time for hundreds of years and they were also not care turks for a long time. So kicking them with colonial invaders and founding our own national republic is the greatest proud of our thousands of years of history
The momment bittersteel realised the empty Russian front are really priceless.
My Ottoman run in Kaissereich was challenging but man it was the roughest, I think I had like... a six...eight? front war I can't remember, God that was insanity.
Did you Win?
@@michelarsenault4088 Surprisingly, despite being at war with like 9 something countries I managed to hold my own, and with this being an attritional war the moment countries started joining in season after season my war machine began to run out, I managed to close some fronts and broker some peace deals but I couldn't finish the fight victorious sadly. But if I had allied with the Bulgarians I might have honestly won it all.
I definitely recommend it if you really wanna feel yourself strategically challenged, it will push your economic, political and strategic skills to the max!
Same deal if you try South Sudan in millennium dawn, now THAT war I went 600 billion dollars in debt, cleared it and I *did* win!
@@Xeemix Holy moly, Congrats, I myself am not that great at pulling off the Impossible with smaller/weaker nations.
But my greatest feat was when as the Russian Empire in WW1 i managed to take on Germany, Austri-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire Alone as France Didn't Join the War so it was a 3 Vs 1, then the Civil Popped Off, And i had to deal with Lenin, And Japan who Invaded me for some reason, it took Until 1925, 8 Million Dead and another 14 Million Dead enemies, But The Russian Empire owned all of europe on paper.
It was...Beautiful, A German puppet that owned Austria, Yugoslavia as my Ally, Japan was my Puppet, Constantinople and Galacia was Mine, Hungary and Czechoslovakia were Puppets, The rest of the Ottoman Lands were Cilent Kingdoms, All the Chaos and Hell was worth it.
And the Best part was Tsar Nicky II was still in Power as a figurehead, Truly making it a hell of a Journey, shame i didn't retake Alaska, i was too tired of war to do it lol
@@michelarsenault4088 Damn! Its the long arduous victories that feel the greatest! I generally always play minors/regionals the Ottomans are generally as big as I'll go in terms of nations, there are still some majors I've yet to play in hoi4 and I'm 800 hours in!
@@Xeemix that's good, I myself only have about 1600 Hours since 2017, so i'm still a Noob, but it is very fun to play Turkey as well, Because they can really pack a punch if played well enough
Love watching your videos, especially disaster saves / hard starts
brings a little bit of joy to my day watching a situation that seems impossible to succeed in being used to destroy a stronger enemy
My inner WW1 nerd compels me to point out that if Italy was humiliated by the Ottomans then the Balkan War would’t have happened because that is what made the Balkan countries think they could win.😊
Well there were many problems, even if italy couldn't win, balkans would implode sooner or later. Military had too much problems. Officers didn't cooparate because one had a diffrent ideology and many of them got effected with extreme turkish nationalism. So if anything fall of ottomans were inevitible. The only chance it had was central powers winning and giving ottomans enough time to settle debts and sort out problems.
That said the nationality problem will still lay the ground work for ww2 shortly after or ww1 would countiue untill either side is exhousted.
With Turkey not existing it is very possible that modernisation and decoloniaztion wouldn't happen. With central powers now very much spread out and allied powers bitter over defeat, it would come down to the amount of problem nationality can stir up from occupied places.
Can you play as Bulgaria in WWI?
Not playing with Serbia how about?
@@azlanadil3646 😂
yh the ww1 mod is fun
@@Colbykanter do you know what does your pfp mean?
I don't think Bulgaria has a unique focus tree in Great war redux, makes things more tedious
such a fun video seeing ottoman empire do a good job is not something you see everyday
What a coincidence, been playing ottomans on EU4 recently
On Hoi4 i recently been playing Turkey for restore the Ottoman Empire
Whenever I play this mod, I always have to strengthen Germany so they'll even push into France -- it's very fun, but definitely needs some rebalancing!
You should defintely try your hand at kaiserreich next bitter, I feel like you would get a good kick out of that mod, I've had a lot of fun with it, especially america going tits up with a 3-4 civil war ever playthrough lmao
playing historical ottoman is really fun tbh you can conquer alot
The ottomans are always a pain in GWR. Especially with that beastly hunk of a focus tree
Personally I like the warfare in Great War mod. Does a pretty good job at simulating WW1 warfare. Slow-pushing infantry until you get better air/tank tech
if you side with the central powers as italy and focus on howitzer production you can really mess up the entente
0:33 seconds in, if this does not end in a Ottoman Empire World Conquest, I detest this video's existence.
I enjoyed and I agree that it needs to be more balanced
Dude thank you so much i was trying the ottoman empire for 10 hours
I have reason to believe Bitt3r is a masochist, he keeps playing countries that are absolute pain to play.
Yes! A ottoman ww1 vid! :)
the first time i have seen a bittersteel hoi4 campaign not end in a clear victory
*Bittersteel and Tommykay release a video on the ottomans*
Me happy
AI Entente is usually strong only if Britain decides to get involved. But then again, I dont usually play with historical AI on.
>Modernize the Army
>Kasrkin image
They'd love to have a few of those huh, lol
I am always happy when you upload.
When you play the Ottomans preparation is key. Rush to the focus which allows you to fix your org spirit before rushing the debt focus and uniform change. Then you should prioritize getting rid of the debt by taking the focuses and decisions to do so, don't worry about getting political advisors, you get plenty from your focus tree. If you are really low on guns or equipment, you should buy some from the Germans who give you the largest amount. You got it right with the italy war by surrounding the ports and killing their divisions whilst they are still low.
When the time comes, you have to fully win against the Balkan League (This is by enforcing their capitulation like what you normally would in a hoi4 game). You should cover your entire front with crappy 20/w or 10/w divisions to hold the line whilst having about 8 good divisions to push. You should aim on destroying montenegro which may take a couple of force attacks before naval invading the Peloponnese with your Shocktroops. Land on an undefended port before microing to Athens and then you should just continously attack them until you break their northern front. Now that you have a singular frontline, place your good divisions along the Serbian border and bush to belgrade, Serbia is the backbone of the Balkan league and must be destroyed unlike Bulgaria who stands little chance against your larger army.
For WW1, you need to have atleast 1 army of crappy divisions to defend your ports. Divide up your army and prepare to take Yemen and Kuwait along with having the bulk of your army along the Russo-Persian border. Also make sure you have a reserve army to respond to any big naval invasions or entries to the war (Romania, Arab revolt). If your focus tree has it, quickly swipe the Khedivate (The British always accept to hand it over). Having egypt means that you do not have to worry about libya or if you want, can seize the suez and gain naval supremacy over the eastern mediterranean.
The Central powers will pretty much get swiped by the fucking demi-god known as France and to a lesser degree the UK so that the Germans always get pushed out of Belgium by 1915 and when It*ly joins, the Austrians just get swiped and lose vienna and before long the Germans surrender.
Pretty much the same thing happened to me as Austria-Hungary where I went the Federation Route and was pretty much carrying the central powers till they did the armistice. I’m still at war in like the 1920’s
i had my own strategy for the balkan war. which was hold in my cored thracian lands with forts and just hold. than germany invited me to the central powers. allowing me to launch a counterattack and win the day
If you take all the balkans, Franz Ferdinand is not assassinated and the war starts later and after a while Ferdinand takes over Austria.
As a Turkish person and a hoş 4 player i agree that playing ottomann empire iş a pain in the ass
In this video: Bitt3rSteel creates its own disaster to save!
I love the ottoman empire
Btw great video , i didnt finish the video but im sure its good
Understandable
this video is practically a disaster save
"I knew i shouldnt have invaded greece!" - Mus- Bittersteel, 2022
25:23 ah yes. Slovenetherlands
Late Ottoman empire is always a disaster save game.
Early ottoman empire is always tutorial.
24:03
Yeah, it's even worse when you play as Entente member. I played Russia, getting ready, build good industry, dealt with internal politics, almost took Berlin... and scripted peace deal spawned out of nowhere, giving like a couple polish provinces for all the effort.
4th lancers were the army group that rose up against the young turk givernment in 31 march incident. The soldiers were supporters of abdulhamid and old islamic era
Hey bittsteel I'm new to hoi4 watching your videos to learn the game and I must say they are quite fun, I am playing as ottomans in great war redux mod thanks to your division template I was able to win italian turkish war but when Balkan war started I got destroyed can you tell me what template did you use to halt Balkan league advance and then what template you use to counterattack and conquer. I am subscribing you your channel
The Legacy of 31 March focus is referencing to when Abdul Hamid II last ditch attempt at squashing the young turk revolution. In retaliation, the CUP or young turks couped Abdul Hamid II and assured power to themselves.
T1 Naval bases are way faster than a supply hub and give enough to stabilise or even push to another naval base
And now bitt3rsteel become sick man of youtube
😂
That disappoinment hit me deep in the feels
10:02 “Persia”, oh well, everyone makes mistakes, I guess. It was funny though.
5:40
Bitter: ahh good I can modernize the army
Also Bitter: shows picture of an army using 10000 year old equipment from a bygone era
I have played as the ottoman empire many times.Once i tried the same path as you did and i stayed neutral during the great war and after that i attacked italy,albania,yugoslavia,romania and czeckoslovakia at the same time and won.Once i have played as the democratic ottoman empire and didnt stop at the balkan war after serbia wanted peace and annexed them all.But the devs seemed to make this mod harder some while ago.
Haha bro I am from Plovdiv and it is the oldest city in Europe! Definitely a nice tourist destination :D
I feel like the focus on Howitzers and Shock Troops as the only way to accomplish things is a very... Western Front sort of view point. Definitely was the case in the Alps, and in France. But Eastern front? Lots of mobile warfare by comparison. So kind of sad it goes that way.
Though I am happy to see the mod isn't doing that thing where WW1 ends before Christmas because Germany just instantly capitulates as France runs roughshod over them anymore. Or I spoke too soon...
Cavalry were a big deal on the east front. As you said, it supports your point.
16:34 the great rant of the ottoman sultan during ww1 (colorized)
"I have way too many fronts and I don't have enough units to handle any of it"
- Env~ Bitt3rSteel
Completely agree with the Central powers being too weak, played as Italy the other day and i had to dedicate an entire army to stop Germany from falling while my other army helped with Russia (still had to walk to moscow and took way too long), after Russia collapsed i decided to take my army from Germany after seeing the front had stabilized to try and push France from my border....3 months later and Germany surrenders, i look at them and see that France managed to push 1 TILE into German territory 8.5/10 mod would recommend
Edit: oh yeah! i noticed Early game your best shock troops are 6 mountaineers and 3 artillery (6/3). they absolutely melt any division the AI has early-game and crushed the Balkan League as Bulgaria
for what i know
the 4th lancers were a regiment in the belgian task force
The Ottoman Empire is surely a pure struggle
0:46 extremely historically accurate focus
you should try Kaiserredux Western Command Center in the US 2nd Civil War, it is very difficult, no industry no manpower, basically a defensive game in terrible terrain.
Oh boy wait until the war ends than the real pain *starts*
2:30 not sure if thats the italians beating your units or your units beating the italians
Yes the great Balkan nation of persia 10:00 XD
If you play as Germany, Austria or Italy (joining central Powers), the Entente is no problem at all. But as you mentioned, as Ottomans, your influence in the war is not that much, the AI of Central Powers are not that good. Feels like the Ottomans are a bit... underpowered, at least it was my feeling after doing some runs with them.
Play as Ottoman in 1600's you will love it
Ottoman Empire needs a major buff
you should send this to bitt3rsteel
Great attempt. I can tell you how to win ww1 as the ottomans. You must not accept the balkan surrender. You must eradicate them all and annex all of their territory. This will cause a late ww1 start, the archduke will not be assassinated, and you'll have more time to resolve your issues before ww1.
Try this tactic again, I would love to see you succeed!
I would recommend to play as Germany and and go the Holy Roman Empire route
Best disaster video yet!
I bet Serbia being called Persia made them feel good, a brain fart but funny.
I like this mod. But what I don't like is how easy is to get armistice. Especially for central powers. WW1 going for year only just feels wrong. I know they want to "be historicall" and offer armistice when lines are broken. But in reality it wasn't just the lines but situation in the whole state. In the current state it feels like you can't have any fun. They should make conditions for armistice way harder or less likely to fire.
Use to be that The Central Powers were overpowered, I guess they over corrected
all i could find about the 4th lancers was the battle of haifa in 1918
I miss this Ottoman focus tree...
Next time just build a harbour at the coast- its much cheaper
I like this mod but it needs to be fleshed out a lot more. The frontlines are way too static (understandable since its WW1 but still kinda repetitive) and the scripted events like peace deals really disrupt any kind of gameplay that someone has
I much prefer the ww1 mod over playing ww2. Ottoman empire is a super fun challenge. The only path to victory is to completely defeat the balkans before ww1.
I challenge you to replay this and win the balkan war completely before ww1.
Dude there is no need to specify that you regret playing the Ottomans, anybody who even looks at the Ottoman emprie instantly regrets it
Just go to the Abdulhamid way. It's the best way imo and Abdulhamid II has good buffs.
next video pls try owb lanius cohort on hardest difficulty! that will be fun!
Any chance we could get an update for the base game Ottoman Empire guide?
the mod feel incredibly railroaded
16:36 better forget the front than lost 90.000 soldires in one unsuccesfull operation.
Time to suggest no howitzer challenge
It would be pretty nice to see you playing TNO: The Last Days of Europe.
Great video.
“Kût’ül Amâre” cephesi
I’m glad you still aren’t shilling established titles.
i like this mod, i played Germany and won in two years because howiszers mean i dont have to go against belgium and can just go through the maginot
as the germans in WW1 shouldn't your High Seas Fleet be big enough to naval invade france without the need to attack belgium? I've never played the mod, just wondering
@@markusz4447 nope getting the naval invasion tech takes way to long as you start in 1910
@@yaboi672 ah I see.
Do ya mind doing a guide for Communist China?
The old one has aged like milk and By Blood Alone made the CC experience really hard.