Ian : great point regarding the mod who diminished the gesture of Tim giving away a copy of pal SE to a collector who wanted it. By mocking this, that mod proved that he only cared about the MONETARY value of the game, and not about what it meant to the collector. EXPOSED
That is awesome. Though if I was that person I would feel guilty getting rid of it if I ever needed the space for some reason. Would have to spend a lot of time finding someone else to give it to who won't just flip it. Probably would just lend it to a video game museum or something.
i knew nintendoage was ban happy. i mean come on isnt that what nintendoage is all about? collecting nintendo crap? now their banned their biggest collectors... theres gotta be more to this than meets the eye.
To the 3 of you, look it up or at least read through these comments. He was spamming the board with Trump shit and swearing at people. Pretty sure that'll get you banned on most forums. He was only banned for a little while too.
El Bastardo You go ahead and read through my comment. "In your view". Do you know what that means? Or is the standard with you me sending you to an ant colony collective website to look for answers?
I understand that money is practically an inevitability in a collector's market, but it's disappointing to me when what a video game's monetary worth is becomes more important than the game itself-- or playing/enjoying the game. It's even more disappointing to read or hear about collectors being so petty that they blacklist or ban other collectors because money. These aren't classical paintings or even baseball cards that we're talking about here. They're video games. Items created and manufactured with the purpose of being played and enjoyed-- or perhaps being given to someone else as gifts to play and enjoy. Want to get involved in commodities? Chase after oil futures or pork bellies and play those markets.
that's how I feel about collecting for Sega CD. No copy protection, I "own" every game to play on real hardware. then the resellers try to get $200 for lunar 2. i did pay a bit for vay, lunar, shining force, but much less still than the going ebay rate. Should I spend 600 bucks for Snatcher, when I have a perfectly playable copy?
+Tom Wilson Damn, I remember about 10 years ago I was trying to complete my Sega CD collection. I would see Snatcher for like $80 and I thought that was too much, so I let it go. I realize now that I will never own a real copy... thank God for emulators. 😓
I have. The very first forum I ever participated in was the one for the webcomic Bob and George. It was incredibly fair and impartial, and it left a lasting impression on me. It helped shaped my expectations for how a good online community should look.
+DreamcastGuy At least your phone didn't end your post with " Tom Atwood is like batman. He's the hero we need but sometimes not the hero people want lol. The New York City The New York City The New York City The New York City The New York City." Brad at Four Player Podcast has a phone that does that lol.
If you like practically any UA-camr who is in the retro gaming scene, chances are Nintendo Age hates them. Whole threads against how XYZ UA-camr is -ruining the hobby- just by talking about what they love. Meanwhile the hypocrisy that Atwood *EXPOSED* is all cool. No this sort of behaviour is ruining the hobby. Too many on that site are beyond toxic /rant
+Stringer Bell reminds me of a site I used to frequently read and even at one point contribute content for not too long ago, unfortunately, the group running the site had the same toxic ways.
I'm only a lurker on that site, but Pat got some right and some wrong. The main thing was that multiple mods weren't being neutral mods, and things got messy. But the VAST majority of posters on the main threads Pat is talking about were all normal rational people, lol. Just google the posts if you need proof. Atwood removed some of his own posts, but the point is what you will see are a select few idiots arguing with Tim or being passive-aggressive, with the other 90% of the posters pretty much sitting there with popcorn and discussing the topics much like we are. The Puppywaffles thread is out there too. The part Pat didn't mention was Puppy basically ranted against the community as a whole in the same post. A lot of people in the thread said the gift was really cool, but at the same time a donation in itself isn't special in that people donate to each other all the time and do not make public announcements. Kind of like when we roll our eyes when celebs make a fuss giving to charity when charity in silence is often best. That's not Tim's fault though. Anyway, point being, Pat and Ian were kind of taking this out of context. NintendoAge is like any other forum. I only venture collectors corner, but they are mostly just a bunch of collectors, newbies and vets. I have no idea what Pat's full history is with the site, but this Atwood issue is really him exposing a select few people in that community, not the whole site. And Tim has exposed other people in the past that were into far worse behaviors, like people reselling resealed games as legit.
The worst abuse of moderator power I witnessed was when I was a senior member of the Stern Fan Network (now defunct). The website's owner got a job with Howard's Sirius Satellite Radio station and became an on-air host of a show called "Super Fan Roundtable". Howard had complained on the air that several members of the SFN were being too critical of him and his show, particularly his constant recaps of watching "Survivor", going to fancy restaurants with his trophy wife, and hours-long discussions of "American Idol". This put the SFN's owner in an awkward position. The result, whether he ordered it or not, or if Stern was a direct influence in the decision, was that the moderators were coming down on members who were criticizing the show's direction, Howard's wife, or Howard himself. Some were given suspensions, others outright banned. Seeing the writing on the wall, several of us quit the SFN in protest. I not only quit, but I never listened to the show again after that. It was all such pointless drama, all because Stern couldn't take criticism about wearing that goofy wig.
This is why I still haven't stepped foot in a gaming forum. Nothing but poison. It really sucks because I don't have anyone to talk and share to about games.
I'm not saying that this situation wasn't fucked up, because it was....but It's not uncommon for moderators on forums to abuse their powers and ban people for when they get butthurt. It's a tale as old as time, just that most people no longer use forums.
We definitely need more Tim Atwoods on Nintendo Age. Shame on those mods and all their market cornering shenanigans. We're dealing with video games here. Things meant to be played and enjoyed by people of all ages. Go buy some fine art or something, if you want to get into something with money. I am totally cool with collectors. I just hate when they walk the dark market cornering bullying those "lesser than you" path. For shame, Nintendo Age. A gift is truly priceless. Its monetary value is not even remotely the point.
I'm a lifelong gaming enthusiast with an NES collection over 400, worth some nice titles. I've still never stepped one cyber foot on Nintendo Age, and never will. Atari age is great. They care about Atari. Nintendo Age cares about valuation and status.
+BadSp00n it's hard to dismiss a person's experience. Pats human and as such prone to being petty like all humans. However Pat has been pretty good about calling out bs. So I see no reason to discredit him . I know we live in age were everyone needs to feel validated , so if course there is always gonna be those who are wrong that this they are right. No matter what the scenario
BadSp00n Pat's never made it sound like the entire group over at NA is like that, I never once got that impression. It only takes a few people, in this case, mods, to corrupt and bloat an entire group with that shit.
Honestly, never really go to that site, but it sounds like there is absolutely no reason to go to it. The moderators sound like they are pushing personal agendas, which is a complete pile of shit.
So basically the site is moderated by resellers. Sounds lovely. To be honest, I see a lot of retro-related spaces going that way. A lot of the people who grew up with this stuff have already got all they want or they're selling, which leaves all the new kids coming in to the hobby and I feel like since a lot of them didn't grow up with it, all they can really relate to is the monetary value.
+Hardcore Report not resellers more of elitist. The ones that see collecting as a way to measure your worth as a person. They don't like casual collectors and they want their collection to be worth more. Anything that infringes on their collection is a threat.
As a member who frequents NintendoAge often (one of the 'good ones' that sides with Mr. Atwood and defends your channel), there's a bit more to this story. I love your podcast but my heart sinks every time Pat insults my favorite site. It's hard for me to watch when I see such a different thing than you do. Some of the best, most generous people I've ever met frequent that site, and it's a shame a small minority of people can ruin the site's image. Now I'm glad you acknowledge that there are good people on the site, but as you can see from the comments below, most people are reacting to this video with vitriol and swearing off NintendoAge forever. So Tim did have an EPIC first post. To most of us, he was a hero. And yes, a very small population of sealed 'old blood' collectors posted their discontent on the matter, but by and large people were supportive of his awesome stash and awesome attitude. Tim hadn't posted much on the forums at that point, maybe two posts. And to me that was brilliant. It gave his words more weight, more of a legendary status, and his mission was indeed accomplished. But then he started posting more and more, diminishing his original point. He had about 38 posts I believe before he was banned, and he seemed to be getting darker and saltier with his later posts, repeatedly calling out people that he hates and why he hates them, creating lists of people he won't deal with and making the lists public. Why wasn't he joining discussions? Talking about collecting? Playing games? Having fun? I found that rather odd. And granted some of the people he libel'd probably deserved it. Which ironically is one of the same problems you have with NintendoAge in general, and Tim was doing just that! Now I don't know exactly why he got banned ... but I wouldn't be surprised if libel was a big part of it. I'm not sure if the Puppywaffles thread was edited or not, but originally he made an extremely long post that was not just about receiving the sealed Kirby--which was great--but he also took it upon himself to damn all of NintendoAge. It was a very immature 'Puppywaffles and Tim versus everyone else on the entire website' kind of post. He did not acknowledge that good people exist on the website, and he made it a PSA/lesson of the day/told you so/soapbox kind of thing. That's what rubbed people wrong about it. He made blanket statements about the entire community, which wasn't fair to those of us in support of Atwood. Puppywaffles should have just posted about how Tim gave him a sealed game and let the writing on the wall do the talking. That would have been far more effective and not created such a backlash. Finally, as somebody who visits the site every day, I've never noticed Moderators closing a thread while getting in the last word. I've seen moderators close up threads when there was clearly more to discuss, however, and I love your idea about any mod who has posted in a thread should not be allowed to lock it. But I've never noticed Moderators getting in the last word while locking a thread. That would be immature and drive me up the wall, and fortunately that is something that doesn't seem to happen much, if at all, on NintendoAge.
Tim didn't do any of that because he was busy getting threats and flamed. Would you take part in a community that continually showed malcontent for you? Stop trying to defend the scumbags. If they unbanned Atwood and would weed out tje handful of people using it to make under table deals it'd be different but it's been a problem for a very long time. And why Tim got involved at all. And it's STILL a problem they've done nothing to fix. This shit didn't just start over night. Inflating the prices of games like these few people do makes the hobby less and less accessible to people. You're really happy with that?
+Mustang McKraken Like I said, not everyone is a scumbag -- I'm not defending those who are. But if a community gets large enough there's bound to be a few elitists and resellers around. Tim posted a lot of inflammatory posts in the end and basically got himself temp-banned on purpose. I'm sure it was all part of his master plan. Bravo.
+Mustang McKraken "If they unbanned Atwood" -- He IS going to be unbanned. On Thursday. It was just a temp ban since he was calling people assholes and dicks, and posting trollbait topics.
cirellio Again, calling people assholes and dicks after he was flamed repeatedly. He's not some mentally unstable nutcase like you've tried to label him as. Hopefully he stays away from there, he's better than that. It's obvious not everyone there is like this, either, if they were everyone would have a stadium events. What needs to happen, is exactly what Pat said needs to happen, the admin needs to clean house and get rid of the trash perpetuating this shit.
The only thing he's doing is literally trying to open the hobby up for more people to enjoy instead of the trash over there trying to make it some sort of private yacht club or some shit. So if that's all a part of the 'master plan' you claim he has then good, do it.
I think Pat said this a long time ago and I agree with it 100%. If you invest in videogames for financial gain, you're an idiot. Collecting is one thing. Expecting to get a lot of money for selling something is another thing. But to treat games like you would treat gold or stocks is downright stupid. Stocks will go up and down. The price of gold will go up and down. However, a game will only go one way. The value will go up so much but eventually, circumstances will occur that will cause the value to go down and when games go down in value, they never go back up. Ever. You should get into collecting for the sake of collecting, not to be rich.
+Jon-Erich Smith Yep, it's not a market meant for profit, at least not anymore. Maybe if you were lucky and originally had rare games/consoles/gaming things you could make a nice profit now, but buying a rare game at a high price and selling it in a few years at a slightly higher price is as stupid of an investment decision as you can make. Time is money, and if your ROI after years is weaker than it would be if you played the stock market, then you're wasting time and potential money for a weaker ROI.
Jon-Erich Smith well said I only collect what I like to play honest if I never plan on playing it I won't keep it no point I've never understood that but it's me and everyone is different also I've notice the cheapest games are the finest so far lol guess the most made most sold are that way for a reason they are good mario Zelda and so on the commons are the best I few races are great but the duck takes flintstones and many more the list goes on bubble bobble lol the first ones are just as goo if not better for dollars not 100s lol
"By trying to do good, he made so many people angry. What a fucking world we live in." Altruism can, and very often does, have negative consequences for other people. I can't say whether or not he's in the right in this situation, nor am I defending one or the other, but I felt that this needed to be addressed. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, after all.
+Jakub Nieroda An example is giving a poor person money, and then they get robbed or hurt by others desiring the money. The altruism was good, but it had negative unintended consequences.
I love CUPodcast and I love NintendoAge. Been there six years now. I even agree with some of what you said about the mods. But the whole story just isn't here. In the thread bashing him, lots of people were also defending him, but the vast majority of NA folks (including myself) just stayed out of it. Tim made a Trump 2016 spammy troll thread and got a two week ban. Anyone else would have received the same, because that's just silly. He wasn't just permabanned for no reason. Please don't trash the entire community because of a few elitists. 99% of the people there are just looking to have fun collecting and gaming and are the very opposite of elitists.
+slhoffman8 Hmmm... should I trust that first guy trying to express his thought with clarity and authenticity or should I just listen to that old saying... hmmmm?
+eiserlish The bulk of youtubers would pick the old saying. ;) I actually liked NintendoAge because of how nice and friendly and helpful the people there are.
+Zhoung Zixin Renshu I don't know all the mods on NA, but I am close friends with a handful of them. K3vbot, who in particular was name-dropped by Tim, I know to be a super nice guy. All the mod-edited posts I've ever seen have been for good reasons, like removing sensitive information or a a recent ebay link to prevent the buyer from getting backdoored. When threads get locked it's also for a good reason, but I do understand how it can be seen as the "mod getting the last word" when it happens to controversial threads.
So I'm rather confused by this. I thought the guy who runs NintendoAge was supposed to be a good egg, a decent guy and a reputable collector who was on Tim's side? If so, why did he allow this to happen? Has there been any explanation for this?
Nintendo Age is a shithole, there's a reason Pat avoids it. Will be fun when the game market crashes and their "investments" go down the drain. Those of us here to appreciate the gameplay and preservation of the artwork cases, etc will still be having fun and enjoying the hobby.
I'm reading through those threads, and everyone is saying Tim was trolling, insulting people, and generally just causing a lot of arguments. While I'm sure some people were in the wrong, the moderator Pat mentioned being one of them, it seems as though this issue isn't nearly as black and white as they make it out to be.
typical nintendoage bullshit. there's a reason most collectors stay away from there. Very greedy. It's a real shame too, cause I enjoy Atariage for the most part,, but the rest of their sites seem to be people trying to control how much certain games are, and in general trying to control the market. Especially Nintendoage. Just drama filled collectors who are trying to raise the value of games. Of course not everyone there is bad, but the bad apples are plentiful. They just keep banning everyone who isn't sucking up to them, its really sad. Not to mention what a mod/admin of said site said about receiving a gift, let me leave this doozy here: ""I'm glad to see gifts passed throughout the community. But also please keep this in perspective before you patronize him. He gave you a free copy of one of the most common sealed games on NES, not quite Dance Aerobics / Anticipation but pretty common in the French Version. For a collector of his size, that is like Bill Gates giving you a free Xbox One game. A gift should be thanked but keep it in perspective. "" Greedy greedy people.
So as a member of NintendoAge I can attest that its not nearly as toxic as Pat is making them appear. Sure there are a few bad apples, but where aren't there bad apples? They are a decent bunch with a couple of real stand out people.
HAHA! I was the one who asked him about a certificate of authenticity during his ebay sale of the "Stadium Events Coming Soon" sign. I was surprised and honored and could help but laugh that he not only said "Why not" but that it was part of the questions asked section of the sign. God bless Tim Atwood and what he's done for the hobby.
The fact that people know that these games are not as limited as they thought means that people will quit paying several hundred dollars for a single video game
Absolutely unbelievable. A guy that's BEYOND kind hearted and good, ends up getting the ban hammer from pieces of complete dog shit. It's the evil ones who always seem to win...
First off I just wanna start by saying that I absolutely adore the podcast. Ian and yourself are amongst my favorite UA-cam content creators. Second I was wanting to know how I can contact Tim atwood so I can personally thank him for what he is doing within the collecting community. If you cannot divulge that information I understand. Once again I love the podcast. keep up the good work, much love from Tn.
i dont want sealed copy of games i just want to play nes games i lost in a house fire and ones i never could own as a kid im glad tim atwood is doing this cause the market is going crazy
I was a member of a few band related forums where this behavior happened. Disgusted me totally. One time I had a long convo with one forum owner/admin who wanted to shut his forum down because the regular patrons of the forum were telling new members (fans of the band) to "get the f*ck out" and just being horrible to them, but he didn't want to end his forum because it was his "baby". He had no idea how to fix the problems, as several of the people were mods. Also to be noted there was a donation accessed "flame forum" where you could flame other people unmoderated. I shit you not.
Forum moderation has become a problem on many of the forums and sites I visit. What happened to Mr. Atwood is unfortunate but not surprising. Many moderators out there are small minded people who ultimately want to create echo chambers for themselves. The forum or site they moderate is the only place where they have a modicum of authority in their hapless lives.
+D-Rome Agreed. What seems to happen is the moderators push to see what the admin will let them get away with. Admins tend to get burnt out and let it go as it's easier to let it slide than replace people. So then the forum ends up with moderators' cliques of friends pushing to see what they can get away with and at that point you have 10% or less of the place running their own rules, making 90% of the posts and scaring off members both old and new. There's a reason most people have moved onto twitter or other social outlets.
We need more people like Tim. I love Mega Man games and I've spent years trying to collected them . But because resellers have bumped up the prices of games it gets harder and harder each year to fill in gaps. I can only image how much of a nightmare it is for newer collectors. Or for the person who wants to track down that one game from there childhood they loved or always wanted to play.
Every moderators on forums ever. Biased, spoiled by power, triggerhappy. And I know what I'm talking about, I was a moderator on a now dead forum once and felt that temptation. Good thing my mind was present enough to not give into it.
I mean the registration process for Sonic Retro is laughable. You have to be able to contribute something worthwhile to the forum by way of romhacks, sprite edits, and high quality artwork, or you aren't worth their time. I mean talk about pretencious
I am a mod of a stream yeah I abuse my powers posting memes and anime girls on hitbox but I wouldn't ban people unless they are huge jerks circle jerking people I haven't ban anyone yet also mod on a music group on Facebook I haven't banned people also mod on devaintart same no bans yet
I would be a little kid on Christmas if I got a sealed copy of Kings Quest V. It's a game I love that nobody gives a shit about. But yeah, any gift collectors get from this Tim Atwood guy should be undyingly appreciated. It seems as though he's turning the hobby on its head for the assholes out there. Good. Nintendo Age can't stop that
ACCORDING TO THE ADMIN OF THE SITE "Tim is not banned, his account will be back open on Thursday of this week should he want to use it. No one is allowed to call other members assholes/dicks or anything else of that nature. That shouldn't be news to anyone." So if Tim was trolling this video is utter nonsense lol
NA is not perfect, but it still has a plenty of cool people. I don't understand why CUpodcast is elevating this guy to Robin Hood status. What did he accomplish other than have a lot of money and horde a lot of video games? I am not privy as to why he was banned but I did see a couple of his troll posts such as the one where he copy/pasted "Trump" 100 times. That probably didn't help his case.
Hello, Pat and Ian I love your nintendo podcasts, I am a new nintendo collector if I can call myself that. I love what you are doing for the hobby and your ideologies. I wish more collectors actually enjoyed the games their collecting. Since people are so wound up in value I am unable to afford the games I love. Keep doing what you're doing. Sincerely Ike
He was banned for spamming childish stuff. His collectors corner forums were fine it was what he was posting in the Everything Else forum that got him banned. He was just spamming the forum with posts. One was full of capital Trump words all over the post and nothing else. Before that I used to think it was great what he was doing but then he was just being childish
+captainthrall I saw most of his posts. I was honestly on Pats side at the beginning of this. Yea he showed that that there are always bigger collectors out there and that you never know what private collectors have. However, he was never humble about it. Besides his Trump post (there is a specific thread to post about politics btw) where he was just being a child, he also created a thread where he offered a free poster to whoever can tell him three things that he accomplished. Basically bragging about what he has done. I mean if you have rare stuff that a lot of people wan't thats cool but don't be a douche about it,. Just because other people are being a douche doesn't mean you have to be one too. I haven't checked up on the threads but if the mods did delete them thats bs too, let the information be public.
+captainthrall The mods didn't delete a single thing, when a mod edits a post, it says edited by moderator. Tim was asked\told to change what he said and he edited them. And keep in mind, many (Or at least one) of these mods are great friends with Tim. So there's more to this than it sounds.
I think a lot of the same arguments are made by Vinyl collectors and hipsters who want the prices and values of Vinyl to be as high as possible. While music enthusiasts and audiophiles just want the record to be priced fairly for their quality. I'm just looking to to buy records I want to listen to, if I'm not going to listen to it, I'm not going to buy it. I hate it when collectors say, "you should have bought... it wasn't the version with the art book, why did you even bother... A best of, that's worthless" and etc. I don't care if the cover has some signs of wear, not buying to frame and hang the album on my wall, I'm not buying to re-sell, and I'm not buying if there's only one or two songs I enjoy. I want to sit down and and listen to the whole album. It would be the same for someone buying classic games they plan on playing vs collectors who will keep it on their shelf and just watch its value go up. Just the other day I was at a swapmeet, and ran into a guy I've bought from before trying to downsize his collection and find a good home for his records. I'm looking at what he has, everything is priced based on record quality and were very fair. I'm pulling out records inspecting them for scratches and we're talking about changing styles, how modern artists aren't inspired anymore, different bands/artists of the 60/70s, their influences, how they really cared about their work and etc. It was a conversation between generations sharing a common love of music and Vinyl. He sold the the three albums I wanted for the price of one. Then this guy my age (20s) shows up with a bag of antique hand tools and asks if he has $1 records. The seller comments, "anything worth a dollar would have to be so scratched up, it clicks, skips, and sound like bacon when played. Those records belong in the trash" The guy then asks if he has any Punk, to which the seller says no. The guy then proceeds to pick out all the Hank Williams Albums. The seller had other really good country albums with Patsy Cline, Carl Perkins, and others, but the guy passed over them without a glance. When pressed by the seller as to why the guy likes Hank Williams, the guy could only say that "Hank Williams is the only country I like" The seller asks what kind of record payer the guy has and he can't remember the brand or model. The guy even says it hasn't had a working needle (cartridge) for six years, but he's about to buy one. The seller charged him the sticker price knowing he was just looking to resell them at twice the price.
the only time i ever reference value is when im buying, and ensuring im paying what is a fair price. once i buy it it has absolutely no value because im not getting rid of it ever. plain and simple.
Nintendo Age sounds like a bunch of used-car salesmen. It's a place you could go get an expertise or - god-forbid - buy a used Toyota. Nothing wrong with that. Sometimes people need to buy or sell used Toyotas. But as soon as the salesman starts bragging about driving a Porsch, you probably want to take your business elsewhere - unless you really want that used Toyota and hear all those great stories about all those expensive cars you will never drive.
I could never accept a sealed NES game... I don't want to hurt the person that gave it to me and diminish it's value by opening it to play it. I'd much rather prefer a loose cart as a gift than a sealed one.
Worst moderation thing I saw was on Macrossworld in their Sc Fi board. A couple of us liked talking about Battletech. One mod locked our thread and banned further discussion insisting there were plenty of other boards out there with Battletech on it. Gundam and Star Wars threads on this same board for this exact purpose were cool though. It was basically one douchebag mod who hated Battletech. Ok, the guy who banned MLP discussion on Something Awful's TV sub forum was worse. Because he was discovered to have been a registered sex offender. He probably thought it was competition for his dating pool. :(
+CaptainRufus You mean Aatrek from SA? That guy was uncovered due to the actions of a single website. They had a whole thread dedicated to exposing him.
Sword Knight Yeah. People banned from SA for having generally extreme right wing opinions but still mad they got kicked out so they doxx people on the site. For once in their lives they managed something useful in this case. So good on them. The guy was a douchebag even before he was found to be someone who should never be let out of prison though. He has been a source of mockery and derision ever since.
CaptainRufus They've got several threads entirely about SA's horrendous mods. They're pretty damn funny, I recommend you read up on them. One of the mods was an honest-to-the-gods communist, his real job was making the plastic packages that big corporations put toys in. Dude was a completely hypocritical fool. I honestly think Lowtax just doesn't even care about SA anymore. Too much stress.
What's sad, is someone who clearly loves Nintendo games, and loves collecting them and sharing them.. cannot go on the number one site dedicated to this passion. I have found this in some other online communities, where a certain mindset takes over, and ruins what is supposed to be a community of like minded individuals who are passionate about said thing. I hope Tim doesn't let that experience change his outlook and passion for NES games. I am glad that Pat and IAN are not drones like the mods and members of NA. I once was going to join NA, but even in the new members thread I saw that a huge majority of posts were from Banned members. I thought to myself how in order to continue whatever they are doing, they must silence those who do not conform or contribute. I don't want any part of that.
Games going to good homes and the generosity and kindness of Tim is the most important thing here. I'm tired of the resellers and the hoarders. Some people just want to have games that they love and want to play rather than hoard games because of some false sense of superiority.
+jarjon76 he has bias against it, i would say check it out yourself and form your own opinion. personally ive been on for like 2 years and what he describes is way off from reality
+ParallaxDG Eh, I was just hoping people might be interested in the actual truth of why Tim Atwood got a temporary ban. That's why I created the topic. I'm not bitter, just sad that false information is getting spread around. I guess you like a lot of people here already made up your mind and that's fine.
I never want my game collecting to become a "chore" or a "job". I will gladly and gleefully purchase a game that's worth shit just to have it in my collection, and if and when someone offers me a gift for my collection that I do not have, I will accept it with a smile and a nod and will do all I can to reciprocate. This sort of snobbish behavior is indicative of the sort of elitism that permeates the worst, most miserable elements of any hobby.
Pat... You would not want to be a moderator on such a forum. Modding forums are stressful if you have even a sliver of a conscience (immature, terrible, and manipulative people can ruin it for you). I swore them off a long time ago and now the only places I'll post anything is on my Facebook profile and here on UA-cam/Google+. But that's not to say everybody on a forum like NA is bad, it's just those handful of resellers and scumbags who can ruin it for you. The owners really need to crack down on this behavior. Not necessarily selling and buying, but the elitism that shuns collecting for keeps/fun instead of value.
+Rocky Bergen This is only the 3rd video I ever watched from them (because I can't really stand them) and it has always been extremely obvious that they were simply sitting across from each other. I mean, for one, they are looking each other IN THE EYE when they talk. Come on dude.
I bet when Tim got banned, he was like "Meh whatever, later posers." Maybe someone should start a forum and I elect pat to be the head admin with Ian as the vice head admin.
No. And dont hope it gets shut down, because the essence of trolling is amusement for the troll by making the trolled unmask themselfs by their reaction.
Some of these NintendoAge people sound like absolute monsters, especially that one poster crapping all over that gift. Imagine if someone gave a child a cookie, and then someone else, upon seeing the child happy about the cookie, goes up to the kid and says "Chocolate chip is stupid, loser." Just disgusting.
Like mentioned in a post below, that would be cool to have him on the podcast and even though I am not an avid video game collector, as most know I collect Gi Joe's mainly, I still do enjoy playing games and he has some amazing stuff that I played when I was a kid but still sealed, it's crazy. I have a small game collection at this point, most was stolen back in 2013 but I am slowly getting it all back and this makes me happy to know that most of those games aren't as rare as many thought, like he mentioned. Great info and it's sad that NA banned him, pretty pathetic if you ask me.
This is why I loathe that gaming, and geek culture in general, has become "Mainstream". Whenever anything is Niche the people mostly get along and try to help each other. When it becomes big or mainstream you begin to attract the douchebags and assholes.
The sad part with this is allot of these collectors that behave lik this are at the age 30-50 but man allot of them behave more immature than some 5 year old´s who fight over who´s dad is the best. Bloody hell your adults behave like it.
Well im glad I only collect games I wan´t to play or had fun playing when I was young like lthe zelda and metriod games and I got both games for 19 dollar on my 3ds.
Zero Walker That's fair enough, but they are certain games which are worth paying three figure sums to obtain. Especially if you're into that particularly genre. Anything that exceeds $500 is probably only valuable based on rarity alone, and is of only of interest to hardcore collectors.
Damn Tim, you're a man of my own heart. Good on you for helping keep the hobby alive for the passion and not the profit brother. Random Tangent!: Now can someone PLEASE do this for Snatcher and re-adjust the market value for it, Id honestly think I'd fuckin faint if I *finally* got a chance to buy a copy of the game I've wanted since I was like 13 lol. Go make your "big bucks" elsewhere guys, sitting on a game for 10 years for a 200 dollar profit is not good business. PPS: Good video as always you two!
Silent Hill By simply making it possible to actually buy some of these titles at a decent price. Of course more then just him is necessary to make a huge difference but its a start and makes corner marketers a little more weary of investing so heavily in games simply for monetary value when folks like Tim are around who can absolutely fuck that up for them. Those factory cases were likely never on the market to begin with btw so folks like Tim arent exactly taking games that others want off of shelves. Main thing is, people who enjoy the hobby want to actually be able to do so without constantly having assholes snatch up everything already available to the public and then hold them for ransom for absurd prices that hardly anyone actually pays for. That's just my two cents tho.
Silent Hill I would say the praise more so comes from the fact that hes using his vast collection of games to scare off those that are trying to increase it further. Sure, I totally understand that his habit of collecting multiple copies of the same game doesn't help increase the number of products available to the public and I can absolutely agree with that. But just the fact of having one major collector stand up in his own way to other major collectors who are continuing to increase the price on things they hold ransom is a good start. I never thought he alone would change the entire market value for all games but he may in fact be the first of many who can help try due to there position as a collector and possibly inspire a snowball effect. The Kirby thing was just a really nice thing to do for someone, not really a focus at all lol. I guess my point is, you cant control who buys what or how much of it they buy with their own money but If someone IS gonna snatch up all those sealed titles Id rather have it be someone who may be willing to sell it at a decent price then those who flat out are not. . Will he sell these games? Will he not? I dunno, that's totally up to him. However, the ones that do sell need to understand that if you hold on for something too long and ask for too much in the process you may just end up getting nothing in return because there is always more copies of these things out there and you never know when they'll become vastly available again which I believe will overall make them second guess their choices. But like I said, its just my thoughts. I appreciate you sharing yours. Cheers
Correction: His account was suspended for 2 week for calling other members assholes. So he got suspended for telling the truth.
+Clyde Spann Seriously... Even the people who "would hit you" would be dumbfounded.
They've been ban-happy assholes for as long as I can remember, and the good mods could never hope to compensate for the retarded mods.
+BertBerryCrunch 9/10 they would not hit you, they would just walk away.
I'm so glad I don't even know what Nintendo age is
Has anyone considered starting a KickStarter to get Ian a chair with arms?!
All of these attacks on Tim Atwood just prove how shallow and scared the "elite" members of Nintendo Age really are.
People are petty as fuck. Good on you Tim Atwood.
Ian : great point regarding the mod who diminished the gesture of Tim giving away a copy of pal SE to a collector who wanted it.
By mocking this, that mod proved that he only cared about the MONETARY value of the game, and not about what it meant to the collector.
EXPOSED
CAX117
Fuck scalpers
moderators on most forums/games/communities are like this. they just get power hungry and have some ego issues.
+Anthony Shuker For some people, moderating is the pinnacle of their existance. lol
dont like it get off the site olololo
Gtaforums especially!
Thread locked for disobedience.
He gave a Mario Bros. cabinet for a dollar to a deserving person? awesome.
And that person will most likely pass the torch when the time comes. Keeping the hobby alive.
That is awesome. Though if I was that person I would feel guilty getting rid of it if I ever needed the space for some reason. Would have to spend a lot of time finding someone else to give it to who won't just flip it. Probably would just lend it to a video game museum or something.
That game is crap, I would not be thankful at all.
Kidding.
I was happy one time when a guy I knew gave me a free Roboton 64 game.
i knew nintendoage was ban happy. i mean come on isnt that what nintendoage is all about? collecting nintendo crap? now their banned their biggest collectors... theres gotta be more to this than meets the eye.
+davidevgen He was banned for a perfectly good reason though.
+El Bastardo In your view being...?
El Bastardo
and why was that?
To the 3 of you, look it up or at least read through these comments. He was spamming the board with Trump shit and swearing at people. Pretty sure that'll get you banned on most forums. He was only banned for a little while too.
El Bastardo You go ahead and read through my comment. "In your view". Do you know what that means? Or is the standard with you me sending you to an ant colony collective website to look for answers?
The NintendoAge Logo is incredible ironic.
A guy holding a key to something while pointing dismissive at the viewer.
I understand that money is practically an inevitability in a collector's market, but it's disappointing to me when what a video game's monetary worth is becomes more important than the game itself-- or playing/enjoying the game. It's even more disappointing to read or hear about collectors being so petty that they blacklist or ban other collectors because money.
These aren't classical paintings or even baseball cards that we're talking about here. They're video games. Items created and manufactured with the purpose of being played and enjoyed-- or perhaps being given to someone else as gifts to play and enjoy.
Want to get involved in commodities? Chase after oil futures or pork bellies and play those markets.
that's how I feel about collecting for Sega CD. No copy protection, I "own" every game to play on real hardware. then the resellers try to get $200 for lunar 2. i did pay a bit for vay, lunar, shining force, but much less still than the going ebay rate. Should I spend 600 bucks for Snatcher, when I have a perfectly playable copy?
+Tom Wilson Damn, I remember about 10 years ago I was trying to complete my Sega CD collection. I would see Snatcher for like $80 and I thought that was too much, so I let it go. I realize now that I will never own a real copy... thank God for emulators. 😓
I've never come across a forum where the moderators were impartial... that just isn't a thing.
And yet that doesn't change the fact that they should try to be. They're there to moderate and arbitrate, not to be catty schoolchildren.
I have. The very first forum I ever participated in was the one for the webcomic Bob and George. It was incredibly fair and impartial, and it left a lasting impression on me. It helped shaped my expectations for how a good online community should look.
Tim Atwood is like batman. He's the hero we need but sometimes not the hero people want lol.
Is Tom Tim's brother?
+CartridgeCanuck Phone auto corrected me and can't edit post via mobile. Use your imagination and pretend it's Tim. :P
And does Tom also have sealed games?
+DreamcastGuy The moderators would be the superstitious and cowardly criminals then, eh? : D
+DreamcastGuy At least your phone didn't end your post with " Tom Atwood is like batman. He's the hero we need but sometimes not the hero people want lol. The New York City The New York City The New York City The New York City The New York City." Brad at Four Player Podcast has a phone that does that lol.
The collecting world needs more people like Tim Antwood
If you like practically any UA-camr who is in the retro gaming scene, chances are Nintendo Age hates them. Whole threads against how XYZ UA-camr is -ruining the hobby- just by talking about what they love. Meanwhile the hypocrisy that Atwood *EXPOSED* is all cool. No this sort of behaviour is ruining the hobby. Too many on that site are beyond toxic /rant
+Stringer Bell reminds me of a site I used to frequently read and even at one point contribute content for not too long ago, unfortunately, the group running the site had the same toxic ways.
So Nintendo age is a group of Resellers that's great to know.
I'm only a lurker on that site, but Pat got some right and some wrong. The main thing was that multiple mods weren't being neutral mods, and things got messy. But the VAST majority of posters on the main threads Pat is talking about were all normal rational people, lol. Just google the posts if you need proof. Atwood removed some of his own posts, but the point is what you will see are a select few idiots arguing with Tim or being passive-aggressive, with the other 90% of the posters pretty much sitting there with popcorn and discussing the topics much like we are.
The Puppywaffles thread is out there too. The part Pat didn't mention was Puppy basically ranted against the community as a whole in the same post. A lot of people in the thread said the gift was really cool, but at the same time a donation in itself isn't special in that people donate to each other all the time and do not make public announcements. Kind of like when we roll our eyes when celebs make a fuss giving to charity when charity in silence is often best. That's not Tim's fault though. Anyway, point being, Pat and Ian were kind of taking this out of context.
NintendoAge is like any other forum. I only venture collectors corner, but they are mostly just a bunch of collectors, newbies and vets. I have no idea what Pat's full history is with the site, but this Atwood issue is really him exposing a select few people in that community, not the whole site. And Tim has exposed other people in the past that were into far worse behaviors, like people reselling resealed games as legit.
The worst abuse of moderator power I witnessed was when I was a senior member of the Stern Fan Network (now defunct). The website's owner got a job with Howard's Sirius Satellite Radio station and became an on-air host of a show called "Super Fan Roundtable". Howard had complained on the air that several members of the SFN were being too critical of him and his show, particularly his constant recaps of watching "Survivor", going to fancy restaurants with his trophy wife, and hours-long discussions of "American Idol". This put the SFN's owner in an awkward position. The result, whether he ordered it or not, or if Stern was a direct influence in the decision, was that the moderators were coming down on members who were criticizing the show's direction, Howard's wife, or Howard himself. Some were given suspensions, others outright banned. Seeing the writing on the wall, several of us quit the SFN in protest. I not only quit, but I never listened to the show again after that. It was all such pointless drama, all because Stern couldn't take criticism about wearing that goofy wig.
Just as well. Howard's show is unbearable now.
Howard where's a Whig? Noway
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in the thread about this video an admin said he isn't banned. he can log on thursday.
Fuck Tim sounds like the most awesome of guys out there.
he is
well sounds like nintendo age is as toxic as the youtube comment section.
+WhiteStar Armada
nopes IT WORSE let that unhappy thought sink in
+robert23456789
He'soose, that's depressing... Goddamn it. People suck.
+WhiteStar Armada All it takes is a bit of kindness. You have yourself a great day
Maybe.....just maybe.
This is why I still haven't stepped foot in a gaming forum. Nothing but poison. It really sucks because I don't have anyone to talk and share to about games.
I'm not saying that this situation wasn't fucked up, because it was....but It's not uncommon for moderators on forums to abuse their powers and ban people for when they get butthurt. It's a tale as old as time, just that most people no longer use forums.
We definitely need more Tim Atwoods on Nintendo Age. Shame on those mods and all their market cornering shenanigans. We're dealing with video games here. Things meant to be played and enjoyed by people of all ages. Go buy some fine art or something, if you want to get into something with money.
I am totally cool with collectors. I just hate when they walk the dark market cornering bullying those "lesser than you" path.
For shame, Nintendo Age. A gift is truly priceless. Its monetary value is not even remotely the point.
+Dot Games! Sorry if this seems dumb, but I respect your opinion and your avatar pic.
I appreciate that, actually. Not dumb at all. :) Thank you!
Dot Games! No problem. Can never be sure who is trolling these days with the trans pride colors.
That's something I live with every single day, being transgender. :) I understand.
As soon as I read the title for this video I burst out laughing...Nintendo Age is the worst
+Drink a Beer and Play a Game I have agree and honestly i'm glad Tim "EXPOSED" these collector's for they really are.
***** yup, elitist douchebags...good on Tim
I'm a lifelong gaming enthusiast with an NES collection over 400, worth some nice titles. I've still never stepped one cyber foot on Nintendo Age, and never will. Atari age is great. They care about Atari. Nintendo Age cares about valuation and status.
+Eissari4 Thats why I love Sega!
I did in 2010
*cough* Pat *cough*
Lmao J/K
+BadSp00n it's hard to dismiss a person's experience. Pats human and as such prone to being petty like all humans. However Pat has been pretty good about calling out bs. So I see no reason to discredit him . I know we live in age were everyone needs to feel validated , so if course there is always gonna be those who are wrong that this they are right. No matter what the scenario
BadSp00n Pat's never made it sound like the entire group over at NA is like that, I never once got that impression. It only takes a few people, in this case, mods, to corrupt and bloat an entire group with that shit.
there are some good people on NA. But the bad far out weigh the good. I stopped going there years ago. it's waaaay to petty!
Honestly, never really go to that site, but it sounds like there is absolutely no reason to go to it. The moderators sound like they are pushing personal agendas, which is a complete pile of shit.
So basically the site is moderated by resellers. Sounds lovely.
To be honest, I see a lot of retro-related spaces going that way. A lot of the people who grew up with this stuff have already got all they want or they're selling, which leaves all the new kids coming in to the hobby and I feel like since a lot of them didn't grow up with it, all they can really relate to is the monetary value.
+Hardcore Report not resellers more of elitist. The ones that see collecting as a way to measure your worth as a person. They don't like casual collectors and they want their collection to be worth more.
Anything that infringes on their collection is a threat.
As a member who frequents NintendoAge often (one of the 'good ones' that sides with Mr. Atwood and defends your channel), there's a bit more to this story. I love your podcast but my heart sinks every time Pat insults my favorite site. It's hard for me to watch when I see such a different thing than you do. Some of the best, most generous people I've ever met frequent that site, and it's a shame a small minority of people can ruin the site's image.
Now I'm glad you acknowledge that there are good people on the site, but as you can see from the comments below, most people are reacting to this video with vitriol and swearing off NintendoAge forever.
So Tim did have an EPIC first post. To most of us, he was a hero. And yes, a very small population of sealed 'old blood' collectors posted their discontent on the matter, but by and large people were supportive of his awesome stash and awesome attitude.
Tim hadn't posted much on the forums at that point, maybe two posts. And to me that was brilliant. It gave his words more weight, more of a legendary status, and his mission was indeed accomplished. But then he started posting more and more, diminishing his original point. He had about 38 posts I believe before he was banned, and he seemed to be getting darker and saltier with his later posts, repeatedly calling out people that he hates and why he hates them, creating lists of people he won't deal with and making the lists public. Why wasn't he joining discussions? Talking about collecting? Playing games? Having fun? I found that rather odd. And granted some of the people he libel'd probably deserved it. Which ironically is one of the same problems you have with NintendoAge in general, and Tim was doing just that! Now I don't know exactly why he got banned ... but I wouldn't be surprised if libel was a big part of it.
I'm not sure if the Puppywaffles thread was edited or not, but originally he made an extremely long post that was not just about receiving the sealed Kirby--which was great--but he also took it upon himself to damn all of NintendoAge. It was a very immature 'Puppywaffles and Tim versus everyone else on the entire website' kind of post. He did not acknowledge that good people exist on the website, and he made it a PSA/lesson of the day/told you so/soapbox kind of thing. That's what rubbed people wrong about it. He made blanket statements about the entire community, which wasn't fair to those of us in support of Atwood. Puppywaffles should have just posted about how Tim gave him a sealed game and let the writing on the wall do the talking. That would have been far more effective and not created such a backlash.
Finally, as somebody who visits the site every day, I've never noticed Moderators closing a thread while getting in the last word. I've seen moderators close up threads when there was clearly more to discuss, however, and I love your idea about any mod who has posted in a thread should not be allowed to lock it. But I've never noticed Moderators getting in the last word while locking a thread. That would be immature and drive me up the wall, and fortunately that is something that doesn't seem to happen much, if at all, on NintendoAge.
Tim didn't do any of that because he was busy getting threats and flamed. Would you take part in a community that continually showed malcontent for you? Stop trying to defend the scumbags. If they unbanned Atwood and would weed out tje handful of people using it to make under table deals it'd be different but it's been a problem for a very long time. And why Tim got involved at all. And it's STILL a problem they've done nothing to fix. This shit didn't just start over night. Inflating the prices of games like these few people do makes the hobby less and less accessible to people. You're really happy with that?
+Mustang McKraken Like I said, not everyone is a scumbag -- I'm not defending those who are. But if a community gets large enough there's bound to be a few elitists and resellers around. Tim posted a lot of inflammatory posts in the end and basically got himself temp-banned on purpose. I'm sure it was all part of his master plan. Bravo.
+Mustang McKraken "If they unbanned Atwood" -- He IS going to be unbanned. On Thursday. It was just a temp ban since he was calling people assholes and dicks, and posting trollbait topics.
cirellio Again, calling people assholes and dicks after he was flamed repeatedly. He's not some mentally unstable nutcase like you've tried to label him as. Hopefully he stays away from there, he's better than that.
It's obvious not everyone there is like this, either, if they were everyone would have a stadium events. What needs to happen, is exactly what Pat said needs to happen, the admin needs to clean house and get rid of the trash perpetuating this shit.
The only thing he's doing is literally trying to open the hobby up for more people to enjoy instead of the trash over there trying to make it some sort of private yacht club or some shit. So if that's all a part of the 'master plan' you claim he has then good, do it.
I continue to be reminded why I don't visit Nintendo Age very often.
I think Pat said this a long time ago and I agree with it 100%. If you invest in videogames for financial gain, you're an idiot. Collecting is one thing. Expecting to get a lot of money for selling something is another thing. But to treat games like you would treat gold or stocks is downright stupid. Stocks will go up and down. The price of gold will go up and down. However, a game will only go one way. The value will go up so much but eventually, circumstances will occur that will cause the value to go down and when games go down in value, they never go back up. Ever. You should get into collecting for the sake of collecting, not to be rich.
+Jon-Erich Smith Yep, it's not a market meant for profit, at least not anymore. Maybe if you were lucky and originally had rare games/consoles/gaming things you could make a nice profit now, but buying a rare game at a high price and selling it in a few years at a slightly higher price is as stupid of an investment decision as you can make. Time is money, and if your ROI after years is weaker than it would be if you played the stock market, then you're wasting time and potential money for a weaker ROI.
+Jon-Erich Smith Exactly!
but that's capitalism ;) lol I agree with you though, the ones who did it solely for profit are terrible human beings.
Jon-Erich Smith well said I only collect what I like to play honest if I never plan on playing it I won't keep it no point I've never understood that but it's me and everyone is different also I've notice the cheapest games are the finest so far lol guess the most made most sold are that way for a reason they are good mario Zelda and so on the commons are the best I few races are great but the duck takes flintstones and many more the list goes on bubble bobble lol the first ones are just as goo if not better for dollars not 100s lol
"By trying to do good, he made so many people angry. What a fucking world we live in."
Altruism can, and very often does, have negative consequences for other people. I can't say whether or not he's in the right in this situation, nor am I defending one or the other, but I felt that this needed to be addressed. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, after all.
Can you provide instances where altruism is negative? besides this instance, I dont know when altruism is not beneficial for all.
+Jakub Nieroda
An example is giving a poor person money, and then they get robbed or hurt by others desiring the money. The altruism was good, but it had negative unintended consequences.
WHO cares about rarity / shit. It's Kirby's Adventure! That game is great, and it was a thoughtful gift!
I love CUPodcast and I love NintendoAge. Been there six years now. I even agree with some of what you said about the mods. But the whole story just isn't here. In the thread bashing him, lots of people were also defending him, but the vast majority of NA folks (including myself) just stayed out of it. Tim made a Trump 2016 spammy troll thread and got a two week ban. Anyone else would have received the same, because that's just silly. He wasn't just permabanned for no reason. Please don't trash the entire community because of a few elitists. 99% of the people there are just looking to have fun collecting and gaming and are the very opposite of elitists.
+AlderDragon Maybe so, but there's an old saying: One bad apple can ruin the whole batch.
+slhoffman8 Hmmm... should I trust that first guy trying to express his thought with clarity and authenticity or should I just listen to that old saying... hmmmm?
+eiserlish The bulk of youtubers would pick the old saying. ;) I actually liked NintendoAge because of how nice and friendly and helpful the people there are.
+OzzyMCSE Sayings become sayings for a reason. It only takes one idiot to sour it for someone who isn't already invested in the community.
+Zhoung Zixin Renshu I don't know all the mods on NA, but I am close friends with a handful of them. K3vbot, who in particular was name-dropped by Tim, I know to be a super nice guy. All the mod-edited posts I've ever seen have been for good reasons, like removing sensitive information or a a recent ebay link to prevent the buyer from getting backdoored. When threads get locked it's also for a good reason, but I do understand how it can be seen as the "mod getting the last word" when it happens to controversial threads.
So I'm rather confused by this. I thought the guy who runs NintendoAge was supposed to be a good egg, a decent guy and a reputable collector who was on Tim's side? If so, why did he allow this to happen? Has there been any explanation for this?
He gave away a game for a DOLLAR? I love him. wow
he gave a Mario Bros arcade machine which is worth 5-10k for a dollar. he is great though.
id buy that for a dollar
+ToyGuruMan same lmao
Nintendo Age is a shithole, there's a reason Pat avoids it. Will be fun when the game market crashes and their "investments" go down the drain. Those of us here to appreciate the gameplay and preservation of the artwork cases, etc will still be having fun and enjoying the hobby.
I'm reading through those threads, and everyone is saying Tim was trolling, insulting people, and generally just causing a lot of arguments. While I'm sure some people were in the wrong, the moderator Pat mentioned being one of them, it seems as though this issue isn't nearly as black and white as they make it out to be.
+Melvin Punymeyer I applaude your critical thinking competence in this sea of single minded comments.
typical nintendoage bullshit. there's a reason most collectors stay away from there. Very greedy.
It's a real shame too, cause I enjoy Atariage for the most part,, but the rest of their sites seem to be people trying to control how much certain games are, and in general trying to control the market. Especially Nintendoage. Just drama filled collectors who are trying to raise the value of games. Of course not everyone there is bad, but the bad apples are plentiful.
They just keep banning everyone who isn't sucking up to them, its really sad.
Not to mention what a mod/admin of said site said about receiving a gift, let me leave this doozy here:
""I'm glad to see gifts passed throughout the community. But also please keep this in perspective before you patronize him. He gave you a free copy of one of the most common sealed games on NES, not quite Dance Aerobics / Anticipation but pretty common in the French Version. For a collector of his size, that is like Bill Gates giving you a free Xbox One game. A gift should be thanked but keep it in perspective. ""
Greedy greedy people.
So as a member of NintendoAge I can attest that its not nearly as toxic as Pat is making them appear. Sure there are a few bad apples, but where aren't there bad apples? They are a decent bunch with a couple of real stand out people.
Next video title - Pat the NES Punk BANNED from Nintendo Age - #CUPodcast
HAHA! I was the one who asked him about a certificate of authenticity during his ebay sale of the "Stadium Events Coming Soon" sign. I was surprised and honored and could help but laugh that he not only said "Why not" but that it was part of the questions asked section of the sign. God bless Tim Atwood and what he's done for the hobby.
+Silent Hill he's bringing the prices down
The fact that people know that these games are not as limited as they thought means that people will quit paying several hundred dollars for a single video game
+Silent Hill I agree, people are all like 'way to go Tim, you're crushing it', yet nothing is changing at all.
I got banned from them a few years ago for telling the mod to stop editing my signature. The place is a joke no surprise there.
That is so stupid to ban the person that could possibly have the games you need to finish off your collection.
Absolutely unbelievable. A guy that's BEYOND kind hearted and good, ends up getting the ban hammer from pieces of complete dog shit. It's the evil ones who always seem to win...
First off I just wanna start by saying that I absolutely adore the podcast. Ian and yourself are amongst my favorite UA-cam content creators. Second I was wanting to know how I can contact Tim atwood so I can personally thank him for what he is doing within the collecting community. If you cannot divulge that information I understand. Once again I love the podcast. keep up the good work, much love from Tn.
FYI - Atwood made a whopping 41 posts to "earn" himself a ban and it appears there is at least a 10:1 rate of flaming in his direction.
+Maxwelhse Didn't he also call people names?
Spidrm0nky
I didn't read every post, so I have no idea.
i dont want sealed copy of games i just want to play nes games i lost in a house fire and ones i never could own as a kid im glad tim atwood is doing this cause the market is going crazy
I was a member of a few band related forums where this behavior happened. Disgusted me totally. One time I had a long convo with one forum owner/admin who wanted to shut his forum down because the regular patrons of the forum were telling new members (fans of the band) to "get the f*ck out" and just being horrible to them, but he didn't want to end his forum because it was his "baby". He had no idea how to fix the problems, as several of the people were mods. Also to be noted there was a donation accessed "flame forum" where you could flame other people unmoderated. I shit you not.
that's so classic. making that other guys day selling for just one dollar, that's a fond memory that guy will cherish probably all his life
Nintendoage: you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy
+8-Bit Eric Digitpress and NeoGaf are much, much worse.
I love you. In a normal way...
Do the mods realize how childish they look like?
Or everyone bitching about this? Lol
Forum moderation has become a problem on many of the forums and sites I visit. What happened to Mr. Atwood is unfortunate but not surprising. Many moderators out there are small minded people who ultimately want to create echo chambers for themselves. The forum or site they moderate is the only place where they have a modicum of authority in their hapless lives.
+D-Rome Agreed. What seems to happen is the moderators push to see what the admin will let them get away with. Admins tend to get burnt out and let it go as it's easier to let it slide than replace people. So then the forum ends up with moderators' cliques of friends pushing to see what they can get away with and at that point you have 10% or less of the place running their own rules, making 90% of the posts and scaring off members both old and new.
There's a reason most people have moved onto twitter or other social outlets.
We need more people like Tim. I love Mega Man games and I've spent years trying to collected them . But because resellers have bumped up the prices of games it gets harder and harder each year to fill in gaps. I can only image how much of a nightmare it is for newer collectors. Or for the person who wants to track down that one game from there childhood they loved or always wanted to play.
Every moderators on forums ever. Biased, spoiled by power, triggerhappy.
And I know what I'm talking about, I was a moderator on a now dead forum once and felt that temptation. Good thing my mind was present enough to not give into it.
This is exactly how I feel about the folks at Shmups forum, Sonic Retro, and Neo Geo Fans
I mean the registration process for Sonic Retro is laughable. You have to be able to contribute something worthwhile to the forum by way of romhacks, sprite edits, and high quality artwork, or you aren't worth their time. I mean talk about pretencious
and I get that you need to weed out spammers, but by having such high enterance fee, you're just encouraging enmasse lurking and ddos attacks
I am a mod of a stream yeah I abuse my powers posting memes and anime girls on hitbox but I wouldn't ban people unless they are huge jerks circle jerking people I haven't ban anyone yet also mod on a music group on Facebook I haven't banned people also mod on devaintart same no bans yet
It's a similar thing to when I was part of a really popular server on a game not long ago, I saw TONS of our admins and mods abusing powers.
I would be a little kid on Christmas if I got a sealed copy of Kings Quest V. It's a game I love that nobody gives a shit about. But yeah, any gift collectors get from this Tim Atwood guy should be undyingly appreciated. It seems as though he's turning the hobby on its head for the assholes out there. Good. Nintendo Age can't stop that
Saved myself from ever visiting that site.
Tim should make his own Nintendo form
ACCORDING TO THE ADMIN OF THE SITE "Tim is not banned, his account will be back open on Thursday of this week should he want to use it.
No one is allowed to call other members assholes/dicks or anything else of that nature. That shouldn't be news to anyone."
So if Tim was trolling this video is utter nonsense lol
big if
+kingkold we will know in a few days
I just use Nintendo Age to keep track of my collection.
i still really want buckwheat waffles with some whipped cream and all that.
Poor tim atwood! Nintendo age banned me for asking stupid questions but being a new collector needed to be asked.
I seriously hope you framed that poster before hanging it. Remember: If it's not fit for framing, it's not fit for hanging.
Pins/tacks has a higher mandatory minimum. Be careful with the blu tack, as well. That stuff can discolor the poster.
Good job, citizen.
We need more Tim Atwoods for sure and we all need to be more like him.
NA is not perfect, but it still has a plenty of cool people. I don't understand why CUpodcast is elevating this guy to Robin Hood status. What did he accomplish other than have a lot of money and horde a lot of video games? I am not privy as to why he was banned but I did see a couple of his troll posts such as the one where he copy/pasted "Trump" 100 times. That probably didn't help his case.
Hello, Pat and Ian
I love your nintendo podcasts, I am a new nintendo collector if I can call myself that. I love what you are doing for the hobby and your ideologies. I wish more collectors actually enjoyed the games their collecting. Since people are so wound up in value I am unable to afford the games I love. Keep doing what you're doing.
Sincerely Ike
I find that most mods on gaming sites act EXACTLY like this.
He was banned for spamming childish stuff. His collectors corner forums were fine it was what he was posting in the Everything Else forum that got him banned. He was just spamming the forum with posts. One was full of capital Trump words all over the post and nothing else. Before that I used to think it was great what he was doing but then he was just being childish
He sounds very childish.
+Edwin Mendoza
The rouge mod that banned him should be banned.
+captainthrall I saw most of his posts. I was honestly on Pats side at the beginning of this. Yea he showed that that there are always bigger collectors out there and that you never know what private collectors have. However, he was never humble about it. Besides his Trump post (there is a specific thread to post about politics btw) where he was just being a child, he also created a thread where he offered a free poster to whoever can tell him three things that he accomplished. Basically bragging about what he has done. I mean if you have rare stuff that a lot of people wan't thats cool but don't be a douche about it,. Just because other people are being a douche doesn't mean you have to be one too. I haven't checked up on the threads but if the mods did delete them thats bs too, let the information be public.
+captainthrall The mods didn't delete a single thing, when a mod edits a post, it says edited by moderator. Tim was asked\told to change what he said and he edited them. And keep in mind, many (Or at least one) of these mods are great friends with Tim. So there's more to this than it sounds.
+Edwin Mendoza
They really should ban the mod that went rouge to ban him.
Looks like Nintendo Age got some b i a s e d moderators
which is exactly the opposite of what a moderator should be
I think a lot of the same arguments are made by Vinyl collectors and hipsters who want the prices and values of Vinyl to be as high as possible. While music enthusiasts and audiophiles just want the record to be priced fairly for their quality.
I'm just looking to to buy records I want to listen to, if I'm not going to listen to it, I'm not going to buy it. I hate it when collectors say, "you should have bought... it wasn't the version with the art book, why did you even bother... A best of, that's worthless" and etc. I don't care if the cover has some signs of wear, not buying to frame and hang the album on my wall, I'm not buying to re-sell, and I'm not buying if there's only one or two songs I enjoy. I want to sit down and and listen to the whole album. It would be the same for someone buying classic games they plan on playing vs collectors who will keep it on their shelf and just watch its value go up.
Just the other day I was at a swapmeet, and ran into a guy I've bought from before trying to downsize his collection and find a good home for his records. I'm looking at what he has, everything is priced based on record quality and were very fair. I'm pulling out records inspecting them for scratches and we're talking about changing styles, how modern artists aren't inspired anymore, different bands/artists of the 60/70s, their influences, how they really cared about their work and etc. It was a conversation between generations sharing a common love of music and Vinyl. He sold the the three albums I wanted for the price of one.
Then this guy my age (20s) shows up with a bag of antique hand tools and asks if he has $1 records. The seller comments, "anything worth a dollar would have to be so scratched up, it clicks, skips, and sound like bacon when played. Those records belong in the trash" The guy then asks if he has any Punk, to which the seller says no. The guy then proceeds to pick out all the Hank Williams Albums. The seller had other really good country albums with Patsy Cline, Carl Perkins, and others, but the guy passed over them without a glance. When pressed by the seller as to why the guy likes Hank Williams, the guy could only say that "Hank Williams is the only country I like" The seller asks what kind of record payer the guy has and he can't remember the brand or model. The guy even says it hasn't had a working needle (cartridge) for six years, but he's about to buy one. The seller charged him the sticker price knowing he was just looking to resell them at twice the price.
Tim is a better human being than I'll ever be. Amazing human being, would buy him a sandwich any day.
FYI: The correct spelling is "a lot". It is not: "alot " or "allot".
No they don't. Thank-you for your time.
the only time i ever reference value is when im buying, and ensuring im paying what is a fair price. once i buy it it has absolutely no value because im not getting rid of it ever. plain and simple.
Rockymann27 i have kids? see you on maury
Nintendo Age sounds like a bunch of used-car salesmen. It's a place you could go get an expertise or - god-forbid - buy a used Toyota. Nothing wrong with that. Sometimes people need to buy or sell used Toyotas. But as soon as the salesman starts bragging about driving a Porsch, you probably want to take your business elsewhere - unless you really want that used Toyota and hear all those great stories about all those expensive cars you will never drive.
"I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THE FUCKING INTERNET"
As for the mic you are using, is it the Audio-Technica (AT2020)? Thanks.
I could never accept a sealed NES game... I don't want to hurt the person that gave it to me and diminish it's value by opening it to play it. I'd much rather prefer a loose cart as a gift than a sealed one.
Worst moderation thing I saw was on Macrossworld in their Sc Fi board. A couple of us liked talking about Battletech. One mod locked our thread and banned further discussion insisting there were plenty of other boards out there with Battletech on it. Gundam and Star Wars threads on this same board for this exact purpose were cool though. It was basically one douchebag mod who hated Battletech. Ok, the guy who banned MLP discussion on Something Awful's TV sub forum was worse. Because he was discovered to have been a registered sex offender. He probably thought it was competition for his dating pool. :(
+CaptainRufus You mean Aatrek from SA? That guy was uncovered due to the actions of a single website. They had a whole thread dedicated to exposing him.
Sword Knight Yeah. People banned from SA for having generally extreme right wing opinions but still mad they got kicked out so they doxx people on the site. For once in their lives they managed something useful in this case. So good on them. The guy was a douchebag even before he was found to be someone who should never be let out of prison though. He has been a source of mockery and derision ever since.
CaptainRufus
They've got several threads entirely about SA's horrendous mods. They're pretty damn funny, I recommend you read up on them.
One of the mods was an honest-to-the-gods communist, his real job was making the plastic packages that big corporations put toys in. Dude was a completely hypocritical fool.
I honestly think Lowtax just doesn't even care about SA anymore. Too much stress.
Took me till now to notice Pat's shirts.
What's sad, is someone who clearly loves Nintendo games, and loves collecting them and sharing them.. cannot go on the number one site dedicated to this passion. I have found this in some other online communities, where a certain mindset takes over, and ruins what is supposed to be a community of like minded individuals who are passionate about said thing. I hope Tim doesn't let that experience change his outlook and passion for NES games. I am glad that Pat and IAN are not drones like the mods and members of NA.
I once was going to join NA, but even in the new members thread I saw that a huge majority of posts were from Banned members. I thought to myself how in order to continue whatever they are doing, they must silence those who do not conform or contribute. I don't want any part of that.
Games going to good homes and the generosity and kindness of Tim is the most important thing here. I'm tired of the resellers and the hoarders. Some people just want to have games that they love and want to play rather than hoard games because of some false sense of superiority.
I've never visited that site and based on what I'm hearing here I don't want to.
+jarjon76 he has bias against it, i would say check it out yourself and form your own opinion. personally ive been on for like 2 years and what he describes is way off from reality
Someone on nintendoage decided to make a topic about Pat's response to Atwood's banning lmfao. So many bitter people on that forum.
+ParallaxDG Eh, I was just hoping people might be interested in the actual truth of why Tim Atwood got a temporary ban. That's why I created the topic. I'm not bitter, just sad that false information is getting spread around. I guess you like a lot of people here already made up your mind and that's fine.
I never want my game collecting to become a "chore" or a "job". I will gladly and gleefully purchase a game that's worth shit just to have it in my collection, and if and when someone offers me a gift for my collection that I do not have, I will accept it with a smile and a nod and will do all I can to reciprocate. This sort of snobbish behavior is indicative of the sort of elitism that permeates the worst, most miserable elements of any hobby.
Tim your always welcome to join CAG.
We would LOVE to have you.
not exactly a retro game forum. but we'd love to have you regardless.
Pat... You would not want to be a moderator on such a forum. Modding forums are stressful if you have even a sliver of a conscience (immature, terrible, and manipulative people can ruin it for you). I swore them off a long time ago and now the only places I'll post anything is on my Facebook profile and here on UA-cam/Google+. But that's not to say everybody on a forum like NA is bad, it's just those handful of resellers and scumbags who can ruin it for you. The owners really need to crack down on this behavior. Not necessarily selling and buying, but the elitism that shuns collecting for keeps/fun instead of value.
OMG, are you guys actually in the SAME ROOM???
+Karnage Fails Pat smashed after the video
+Rocky Bergen This is only the 3rd video I ever watched from them (because I can't really stand them) and it has always been extremely obvious that they were simply sitting across from each other. I mean, for one, they are looking each other IN THE EYE when they talk. Come on dude.
Pat how much are you selling the book for at the conventions?
Nice
+captainthrall sssssseeeeeeeeaaaaaallllleeeeeeddddd!!
I bet when Tim got banned, he was like "Meh whatever, later posers." Maybe someone should start a forum and I elect pat to be the head admin with Ian as the vice head admin.
Ok i am off to NA forums for some heavy, sarcastic trolling.
No. And dont hope it gets shut down, because the essence of trolling is amusement for the troll by making the trolled unmask themselfs by their reaction.
Some of these NintendoAge people sound like absolute monsters, especially that one poster crapping all over that gift. Imagine if someone gave a child a cookie, and then someone else, upon seeing the child happy about the cookie, goes up to the kid and says "Chocolate chip is stupid, loser." Just disgusting.
Is there any way to get ahold of Tim outside of his eBay account?
I'd love to make a deal with him.
Like mentioned in a post below, that would be cool to have him on the podcast and even though I am not an avid video game collector, as most know I collect Gi Joe's mainly, I still do enjoy playing games and he has some amazing stuff that I played when I was a kid but still sealed, it's crazy. I have a small game collection at this point, most was stolen back in 2013 but I am slowly getting it all back and this makes me happy to know that most of those games aren't as rare as many thought, like he mentioned. Great info and it's sad that NA banned him, pretty pathetic if you ask me.
I'd invite tim and who ever were tired to come on over to DP to get away from the griefers but for some reason our sign ups are turned off...
This is why I loathe that gaming, and geek culture in general, has become "Mainstream". Whenever anything is Niche the people mostly get along and try to help each other. When it becomes big or mainstream you begin to attract the douchebags and assholes.
The sad part with this is allot of these collectors that behave lik this are at the age 30-50 but man allot of them behave more immature than some 5 year old´s who fight over who´s dad is the best. Bloody hell your adults behave like it.
Collecting in general can often turn into a dick measuring contest. It comes with the territory.
Well im glad I only collect games I wan´t to play or had fun playing when I was young like lthe zelda and metriod games and I got both games for 19 dollar on my 3ds.
Zero Walker
That's fair enough, but they are certain games which are worth paying three figure sums to obtain. Especially if you're into that particularly genre. Anything that exceeds $500 is probably only valuable based on rarity alone, and is of only of interest to hardcore collectors.
Damn Tim, you're a man of my own heart. Good on you for helping keep the hobby alive for the passion and not the profit brother.
Random Tangent!:
Now can someone PLEASE do this for Snatcher and re-adjust the market value for it, Id honestly think I'd fuckin faint if I *finally* got a chance to buy a copy of the game I've wanted since I was like 13 lol. Go make your "big bucks" elsewhere guys, sitting on a game for 10 years for a 200 dollar profit is not good business.
PPS: Good video as always you two!
Silent Hill By simply making it possible to actually buy some of these titles at a decent price. Of course more then just him is necessary to make a huge difference but its a start and makes corner marketers a little more weary of investing so heavily in games simply for monetary value when folks like Tim are around who can absolutely fuck that up for them.
Those factory cases were likely never on the market to begin with btw so folks like Tim arent exactly taking games that others want off of shelves.
Main thing is, people who enjoy the hobby want to actually be able to do so without constantly having assholes snatch up everything already available to the public and then hold them for ransom for absurd prices that hardly anyone actually pays for.
That's just my two cents tho.
Silent Hill I would say the praise more so comes from the fact that hes using his vast collection of games to scare off those that are trying to increase it further. Sure, I totally understand that his habit of collecting multiple copies of the same game doesn't help increase the number of products available to the public and I can absolutely agree with that. But just the fact of having one major collector stand up in his own way to other major collectors who are continuing to increase the price on things they hold ransom is a good start.
I never thought he alone would change the entire market value for all games but he may in fact be the first of many who can help try due to there position as a collector and possibly inspire a snowball effect. The Kirby thing was just a really nice thing to do for someone, not really a focus at all lol.
I guess my point is, you cant control who buys what or how much of it they buy with their own money but If someone IS gonna snatch up all those sealed titles Id rather have it be someone who may be willing to sell it at a decent price then those who flat out are not.
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Will he sell these games? Will he not? I dunno, that's totally up to him. However, the ones that do sell need to understand that if you hold on for something too long and ask for too much in the process you may just end up getting nothing in return because there is always more copies of these things out there and you never know when they'll become vastly available again which I believe will overall make them second guess their choices.
But like I said, its just my thoughts. I appreciate you sharing yours. Cheers
Tim Atwood should be made a NA moderator.
best part of the whole show today was the really hard on sarcasm, in Ian's voice. When he says the word neat at 8:41