Actually Mamamoo is one of the best vocalist in 3rd gen, they can blend with each other especially Wheein she is the back bone of the group no wonder she has so much collab with other artists and she was listed to the top 5 vocalist of south korea along side with other veteran singers and the fact that she's the only idol who listed there....
true. it think most people notice how good wheein vocal control is. She has a very stable vibrato. I see many video talking about ranking mamamoo vocal and wheein always at the top.. but underrated not many people know her..
@@snowfreezer2863 yes😟😕😔 i am Feeling very sorry fir her😭as she is my bias ..........it's because their fa***** company 😤 they can't promote them well 🚶♀️😟
I used to believe this till I heard Big Mama. Those ladies are INSANE. If you're a MooMoo, the Big Mama Dingo performance is definitely worth a watch if you haven't yet.
@@lapizlapoppy Oh yeahhhh they're BIG MAMA afterall.I was shocked too like wow but what I meant here was that mmm is unbeatable among the comparision going on in this video with these groups but I still somehow can say that mmm has really broden and proven their singing capabilities in diff genres which in comparision to big mama is little bit limited as they mainly go for gospel,soul r&b but I can understand that they disbanded in 2012 so they've a lot to show.I'm exicted to see what they bring to the game!!!
Actually, the worst thing bout Mamamoo is that Byul isn't showcased enough in main tracks. She has a really beautiful vocal color and she has the skill to back it up. As for their vibrato, I guess Hwasa and Solar are a lil inconsistent. But it's Byul's lack of vocal lines that drives me crazy sometimes.
@@KarinabiasedMy she used to rap a lot during their first years tho, if you listen to the bside tracks of their old albums but since something like 2018 it's true she doesnt rap a lot anymore, more focused on vocals
I stanned each group menti0ned here one after the other, but i can say that i stan MAMAMOO the longest and the hardest. Up until n0w. Never letting go, Moos×MAMAMOO.
hmmm irene and yeri's voices are hard to distinguish at first, but joy's voice is instantly recognizable. in my opinion she has the most distinctive voice out of the 5 of them
Yeah, Immediately confused at what he meant there. Irene's upper register sounds a lot like Wendy so I thought that was going to be the comparison. Seulgi and Joy sound similar only when in falsetto. Irene sings way softer and Wendy sings more powerful cause she's given more belting lines. Joy, Yeri, and Seulgi are are all so distinct that I can't even understand lol.
Yes, this is why I don't consider it a "negative" the clearly work on this heavily. Wendy and Seulgi have different vocal tonality but to harmonize like they do, they have to train their voices to sound similar. However, what I think they did for Queendom was smart, it highlighted the ladies individually on the chorus, and it can train the fan's ears to hear the differences better. I know many fans did not like that Queendom lacked RV's usual harmonization, but to gain new fans, they need to let the ladies shine individually. That said, one of the best harmonization duos is.....YERI and Wendy! If you hear them together ONLY like in Bing Bing they have incredible harmonization!!!
It's a fact that Mamamoo has my favorite female vocalists ... and even though I don't really enjoy Red Velvet's music I really like their vocals. Thanks for this video, it helps me learn about other groups! 🤗
@@pedrohenriquecarneiro4331 Really? Bruh i respect your opinion but happines/ice cream cake/power up/red flavor/automatic/be natural/umpah umpah/rbb/physco/zimzalabim/peek a boo/rusian roulette and more are bops
Listen to red velvet albums. It is heavily complained these songs are better than the title track. Other than vocals, it is the best thing about red velvet.
The fact that in that clip Hwasa was hella sick. She’s a very underrated vocalist also Moonbyul have a lot of potential. For me not only Wheein is a excellent vocalist in the group, all of them are amazing with their strengths and yes they may have flaws but their vocal ensemble is simply the best. Also the individuality of the members not only vocally but even in their stage presence and dance makes them very versatile to ALL of them, without mentioning their creativity and autonomy in their music 🤩
I don't think Hwasa's vocals are underrated at all . Literally everyone from the korean music industry who's familiar with Hwasa have praised Hwasa's unique vocals ( the rasp and the range in her voice) . Also, the same thing goes for Moonbyul . The latter's distinct deep voice is very much appreciated . To sum up, every single Mamamoo member has a vital role in the group . Mamamoo is not mamamoo without Solar, Moonbyul, Wheein or Hwasa ❣️❣️❣️❣️❣️
@@samiafliti1848 yes hwasa is always praised by professionals but you rarely see people appreciating her vocals under youtube videos when her techniques are really good. i never see comments that praise her technique, agility, control, vocal range etc. too bad people think only crystal clear voices or belting 24/7 or falsetto, which she can do all, are considered as good vocals.
MAMAMOO has their own tone individually and when they sing together it blends perfectly Finding your own tone as a Singer is important as well as the harmony as a Group
The range and versatility of MAMAMOO are seriously another level. They don’t really fit the idol concept because they’re well-rounded artist who writes and composes their songs. However, I do like all of the groups you mentioned here!
MAMAMOO's vocals are God tier I cried my eyes out on their Queendom I Miss You perf cus of their vocals nd how beautiful it was 🙂 There will never be a k-pop group like Mamamoo again ig thank god I found them at the right time 🙃❤️
Wendy is the first idol I heard that can actually sing. That actually shocked me cause the reason why I was not into Kpop before is because I'm into talented artists. Not just the typical visuals and choreo. Then there's Mamamoo. Oh god, Mamamoo. I just fell inlove and can't get enough. I just hate that I stanned them so late.
First of all, I enjoyed this video and agree with majority of your points honestly. I love how you highlighted Byul's vocals. Most who review Mamamoo on youtube really only talk about her rapping. I'm mostly Hwasa biased, but I do enjoy Byul's singing voice because it's very velvety when she sings longer parts. I think with Red Velvet they started evening out Seulgi and Wendy's parts when it comes to vocal difficulty, so Wendy wouldn't have to push her voice in every single performance. Plus in cases where Wendy couldn't perform Seulgi can cover her most vocally challenging parts. I'd say Red Velvet's voices that have the most "character" are Joy, Yeri and Seulgi (when she sings in her upper register).
Seulgi and Joy did really well covering Wendy's parts that they could, but there's only so much they can do. Wendy's "most vocally challenging parts" are still left being played in the background in their concerts though. There's a reason they didn't perform Zimzalabim while she was on her haitus. There was a lot of sustained belts and head voice adlibs that they just let play in the background during the concert cause they would injure their vocal chords if they were to cover them cause there's clearly a gap in technique. But Seulgi as a lead vocalist is very impressive that she's on the same level as many main vocalists nowadays and she clearly holds her own in RV, but Wendy's level is just different.
@@chrissyalapo-calg9748 Yes Wendy really is above and beyond majority of artists in the kpop world. When she couldn't perform due to her injuries I really missed her energy and her voice with them. You're absolutely right, there are simply just some songs that Seul/joy can't handle or cover her parts especially with no vocal backing. Wendy truly is a vocal beast wrapped up in a smol body lmao.
@@oddlitalks894 😂true, it blows my mind how such power can come from such a small body haha. But yeah ot5 RV voices really compliment eachother and they are just perfect together😍
Wendy has the most character to her vocals. She can literally sound like 8 different people and sometimes in the same song 🤣🤣🤣 She can also sound like all her members when she wants to. That voice is golden.
With Red Velvet, I honestly don’t think their voices are that similar at all? They blend together extremely well (especially Wendy) but I can tell apart every single one of them singing with almost no difficulty, and I’ve pretty much been able to do so since I first got into them. At most, I think Wendy and Irene can sound kind of similar on more rap-like lines and when Wendy aims for a brighter tone she sounds pretty similar to Seulgi. Other than that they all have pretty damn distinct tones, especially Joy.
It will be similar for the ears of the non-fans. But it will be distinct for their fans. I also got confused with their vocals, since I ain't a fan. Except for Joy maybe.
I don't think RV lacks variety because of their tone, it's just their ways of singing are very similar, the SM singing style. Your "worst" quality for Red Velvet is actually also one of their strengths. Since they "sound" similar their voices do not clash with each other when they sing in unison for their choruses.
Yes, good singers should be able to do both. Good singers can adapt their tone a bit to fit with the people they’re singing with. It could also be their producers who push it.
Thats most of the SM groups, everybody talk about sm being the best vocal company but for me they only debute groups who can fit their vocals together but individually there is not potential. Wendy can be a potential soloist but the other members cant relate. The same with EXO.
@@ninorata3236 but at least their non vocalists can still fit well with their crazy vocalists and harmonize with them or sing in unison with them cleanly.
YAS Wendy really deserves the acknowledgement! some ppl think she's not that good and think that her lines are really not that hard, but Seulgi and Joy said when they had to record her lines (there were some they couldn't even record), they almost died and were so exhausted after that they realized how awesome Wendy was and they kept praising her. She really is such a well-rounded vocalist with all her registers being well developed and deserves her title as the "finest main vocalist of the 3rd gen". She's even up there with 2nd gen main vocalists who are much move developed and advanced than the newer gen
I always see you in videos abt Wendy's vocals!! Tbh I don't understand much about singing so I just believe what people with more knowledge say lol but her voice and mostly the emotion she puts into singing really moves me. Wendy is a gem and I think RV fans sleep on the role she plays in their sound a lot.
@@leti9130 haha yay! I’ve been noticed☺️ and Wendy is truly a gem and it’s sad that she’s just starting to get the recognition she deserves. Even though she was acknowledged for her skills before she wasn’t really appreciated for everything she does in RV songs. Thanks for loving Wendy and RV🥰
even those who don't know anything about vocals(example- me) can tell that wendy is undoubtedly one of the best vocalist of kpop. i hate when people compare her with seulgi and say that seulgi is better. they have no idea what they are saying lol. delusional level is wow
I'm not even a fan of red velvet.... But who in their right mind thinks Wendy isn't a good singer?!?!? That's literally absurd. She could literally substitute as a mamamoo member and no one would notice. And though it PAINS me to say it, shes probably just as strong if not stronger than each mamamoo member individually (but mamamoos group vocals would absolutely thrash redvelvets group vocals)
@Joseph Kim right?? It's literally only delusional ppl who can make such a claim. And yes though MMM would destroy RV as a group, Wendy is a stronger vocalist individually, I know it might be hard to admit for Moomoos so thanks for not being biased😂
Itzy biggest strenght i think is confidence, they are not the best singers, Lia the main vocalist is kinda shallow, but they are not afraid to show people their vocals, they are really amazing for a group that is still kinda new, Lia and Yeji have a lot of potential
@@greenrocket9344 It was their opinion why are you so mad? Calling someone poor over correcting you. The only poor thing here is your lack of common sense.
@@greenrocket9344 That's actually something really good, none of the 5 seem scared to perform or sing, and that's rather uncommon on kpop groups. even if they're not the best singers or dancers, they're not afraid of showing what they can do
People were saying that Jisoo was a bad dancer and that Jin and RM were also bad dancers but now they praise their dancing skills and also theislr vocals seeing how much they've improved after so many years. Lia is undeniably using less energy than others but as time goes by you will grow to accept her adorableness and see that she's trying to get better and better day after day.
Honestly before I couldn't see what people used to say about Jeongyeon being better than Nayeon, because #1 I'm not completely a ONCE, so I hadn't seen much of them other than title tracks, #2 Cuz JYP is hiding her talent, so the new fans can barely see it, but once you get more into TWICE music, you watch live performances, solo stuff and etc, then you realize how incredible is Jeongyeon vocally and how unfair is her treatment, not only has a good range, and big potential, she also has a great stability which at least I'm glad people are aware of. Honestly, she is one of those members who really need to make solo content, and to be more pushed, so people can see their talent.
The fact that RV members sounds the same is mainly because of their vocal training, it's also the reason why RV sounds the best when singing together or how SM groups are the best in harmonizing. Plus it's very common in SME groups especially in their vocal line to somehow sound the same an example of this is Jessica and Taeyeon from SNSD. This just show how their vocal abilities are somehow similar making them sound the same when singing a specific note. Honestly, I don't think RV has any bad side on their vocals, because each and every members has their own roles whenever they're singing and it shows.
colour me surprised, this is the first time I'm hearing someone say that there isn't a vocal variety in RV :o So many times, I hear how different their voices are from eachother haha. I won't lie though there are times when even Luvies confuse their voices. But there are 2 groups in Rv, Non-nasal and Nasal. The Nasal group is Seulgi, Yeri, and Joy, with Joy being the least nasal, and the Non-nasal group is Wendy and Irene, but sometimes they can be very slightly nasality, it's not always pleasant. That's why even Irene and Wendy can sound the same in their lower and upper register. But the nasal group all sound completely different from eachother, cause they all have different placements so their nasality is different. Yeri's voice is like placed behind her head, so it's really hard for her to project and her nose sounds blocked like she's singing from her nose, Joy's voice is placed like ontop of her head so it's very bright and light and shaky, while Seulgi's is also like behind her nose, and she has a lot of tongue tension. But yeah I don't see anyone confuse Joy, Yeri, or Seulgi. But I have noticed that Wendy can actually sound like any of them. When she sings in her lower register, ppl confuse it for Yeri or Irene or Seulgi, and when she sings in her high register with a diff tone, ppl confuse her for Seulgi or Joy, haha she really is a vocal chameleon.
I actually agree with the video. As a casual listener of Red Velvet, the only voice I can distinguish is Wendy's and sometimes Seulgi's. I used to think I had Irene down, then it turned out she's not the only one that raps lmao.
@@shhhimnothere.2878 haha oh yeah I can totally see how someone ppl would be unable to distinguish them, actually even Luvies sometimes get confused and argue over who sang what line, and it’s only cleared up once they see the live performance😂 It’s just most of the time I hear that they’re voices are so different/distinct. And to me, I can clearly distinguish Yeri, Seulgi, and Joy. But I won’t lie that I’ve also mistaken Wendy for someone else.😅 so yeah his argument is valid, but there is still variety among them I would say
I'm very worried about itzy vocals. Honestly, jyp dont know how to treat their vocals but in itzy this is very serious. Its sometimes even awkward to see their lives vocals cause their dance are so strong and the music so high that they struggle to sing
Jeongyeon's voice was always the most impressive for me even before I joined the fandom. If ya'll ever listened to their bsides you know what I'm talking. Songs like HO! Cry For Me and Alcohol free really lets her vocals shine.
Thank you for pointing out Seulgi!!! Finally!! Ppl don't recognize her enough for me.. We all know Wendy is queen of vocals but he made a good point in the video.. A lot of time Seulgi and Wendy both sound similar. Speaks volumes on Seulgi.. Think about when Wendy was out and she had to cover her parts and did it flawlessly.. Seulgi has amazing vocal color and ability that gives her voice the versatility to jump on any part of the song and kill it!!! And let's not skip the fact that we are talking about the main dancer!!! Seulgi deserves her flowers!!
@@onceblink4495 I said for me!!! Key word me.... But if we being real up until recently ppl forget she is a lead vocalist.. Going through the comments in videos from QUEENDOM cb was prime example on how Seulgi is overlooked.. Not up for debate.. Like I said for me
I love mamamoo too, but some of the areas all of the vocalists lack in are agility (sloppy runs with no musical direction) and weak upper register (all sing with a raised larynx above C#5 and none have a developed a connected headvoice).
@@ra3vex I didnt study voice and I'm just a musician (violin and piano), not a singer. So i wouldn't know abt the raised larynx or connected head voice. I know Solar tends to push her high notes a bit too much and strain her voice and wheein does falsetto a lot (but she has a REALLY nice falsetto so all's well haha). For the runs I'm not sure if you heard some of Wheein's riffs. I think some of them are pretty cool 😁 just to be clear, i'm not looking for argument haha. Just a musical moomoo looking to discuss musical aspects of my fav artists with other ppl :)
Mamamoo are just on other level they blend w each other so well but still keep their individuality up there. Honestly if they harmonising too u can easy distinguish their voices.
It’s so funny how you had to find something to nitpick on for Mamamoo. I love RV and am also a fan of BP and Itzy. But let’s be Mamamoo is wooooorlds apart in sheer talent as a whole group. I find BP to have incredible stage presence and each member can stand on her own. RV is very flexible in terms of concept and they all have their basics down where they can even cover for the main vocal’s absence (still hate SBS) and main rapper’s. Itzy to me is one of the top 4th gen girl groups if not the best because of their charisma, talent and stability. Twice is the nation’s group- i personally am not a fan but I understand the appeal. But quite honestly I just want to see a collab between Queen Wendy and the Perfect Child Wheein.
I can say that you went easy on each group's weaknesses, except mamamoo, cuz i don't think they have much weakness as a group. But I kinda don't agree with RV's weakness as they are full of varieties. The only example i can say that they sound the same sometimes is when they sing all together, they create a sound that sounds like seulgi or something, or maybe seulgi's voice were just overpowering them by volume that time.
Funny enough if you watch RV's live performances, they usually lower WENDY's mic, they up the volume on Joy's mic, and Seulgi is the one you can hear the clearest. My GUESS is that because Wendy was a trained Accapella singer before joining SM she can naturally belt out loud enough that she overwhelms the mic, and Joy is just too soft without enhancement. In contrast, there are a few live Mamamoo performances where they NEEDED to lower Solar's mic, but didn't and it creates a not-so-smooth sound.
I stand by my statement that RBW is a great company for not limiting their artists and allowing them to explore themselves may it be through art, dance, singing, instruments and even song composition and production.
Yeah thats why RBW dont do that weird position /role thing too seriously either. Consider this If "main vocal" stagnates but another member kept on working on their craft and get better they never get recognized because fans keep harping on "no shes the main vocal position she should get more lines, etc". The company and the fans should be blamed as it stunts the growth of these idols its the equivalent of being typecasted for actors. That system really has to go, its stupid/ artificial and harmful to growth .
rbw does not limit mmm to showcase their talent bcos mamamoo are fearless themselves. they can't be stopped and rbw cant do anything about it so they obliged. rbw is still a bad company. the girls deserve better
WHY ISNT ANYONE TALKING ABT YERI SHE HAS AMAZING VOCALS- SHE ALSO WROTE HER SONGS THAT VERY IMPRESSIVE HAS ANYONE LISTENED TO DEAR DIARY IF U HAVENT LISTEN TO IT RN WENDY VOICE IS ALSO VERY IMPRESSIVE
Mamamoo are vocal queens. When they performed with "Ten nights" Moonbyul's high note make everyone forget that she one of the best main rappers Sorry for my bad English
About Red Velvet, I do agree that it takes time to pick one voice from the other. For me, Irene, Wendy and Seulgi blend together, and so do Yeri and Joy. But tho Wendy is their greatest vocal strength, I think it's not fair to not acknowledge that all the members can hold their own, and having the members be independent of each other is a huge plus for them.
I agree with the Jeongyeon one! When I first got into Twice I didn't really notice her vocal skills and abilities because of the lack of lines. I didn't even know she was in the vocal line. I just hope JYPE gives her justice, she has so much talent and potential to be one of the best kpop singers, sad it isn't rly showcased. Can you also do a part 2 with SNSD and GFriend ❤❤
not going to comment for mamamoo and red velvet because we all know they are vocalist of girl group but here i've been discovered twice songs as well their performance, the treat of JYP to Jeongyeon really poor and it's kinda unfair. she's more stable when singing live than the other member
I honestly agree very much with was said especially abt Blackpink and Red Velvet. Sometimes I can't tell the difference between Yeri and Irene and similarly for Blackpink they all have distinct voices but it needs work. There lives personally never sounds the same. Kinda like a hit and miss. Also, Jeongyeon was surprising to me when I first heard her sing but I don't hear enough of her as I would like. Mamamoo are legends in vocals come on.
This is not the FIRST nor will it be THE LAST TIME SOMEONE BRINGS UP THE AMOUNT OF TALENT THAT IS WASTED BY NOT ALLOWING JEONGYEON TO BE THE VOCALIST WE ALL KNOW SHE IS.
Mamamoo is the best vocal group of kpop and solar is simply one of the best vocalists of kpop along with wendy, her sustainability, resonance, projection are on point, solar is not a vibrato based singer, she really doesn't need it as much cause she has the magic of sustain notes with resonance incredibly well without vibrato, and it's her style, she's a powerhouse singer and she can still very versatile and she deserves credit for that PS: Wheein doesn't have a very well off vibrato too!
@@redvelvetismyreligion9871 I'm not faulting u for thinking that red velvet has the best vocals lol. I'm telling u that op said the people mentioned were one of the best in kpop. They didn't say they were the best.
@@redvelvetismyreligion9871 As a vocal group that has amazing technique,versatility,agility,uniqueness,own creativity in music and even in writing,range,vocal variation,vocal presentation and the capability to experiment and execute so MANY genres that is actually kind of rare in kpop specially for ggs is the reason why I think MAMAMOO is definitely THE best vocal group of 3rd gen and undoubtedly one of the finest and critically acclaimed vocal group in whole kpop scene!!!
Saying Solar and Hwasa are weak in the vibratos is literally something to just put something is the worst part, like I read before the only thing bad about Mamamoo regarding vocals is that Byul does not get show case enough
It's painful to watch Jisoo singing du-ddu, she is really uncomfortable there. Jennie has more demands than she can carry on black pink singing and rapping. Sometimes I agree with a friend that says BP needed a 5th member...I just disagree because Jisoo is there without a fair amount of lines
Tbh BLACKPINK doesn't need a 5th member. They need a proper vocal training. 3 out of 4 girls in BP have incredible potential that is currently wasted by YG.
@@MoonLight-dx6gf It’s not just training. Their agency don’t care about them. They barely make music and although HYLT was a huge hit it was the same as all their other music. I have no idea why they’re not just milking them harder. It could be that the girls aren’t that interested.
@@kristin123a Tbh I don't think that the girls are the problem here. At least not all of them. We know Lisa loves performing and that she was made to do this + she loves her fans a lot so I don't think she lost interest and same with Rosé. She is the most passionate with music among the girls so I don't think she lost interest in being an idol. When it comes to Jisoo if she lost interest she wouldn't improve so much for HYLT era. The only person I can think lost interest in being an idol is Jennie. Idk she just feels to like being a model/someone connected with fashion and influencer more. And yeah I agree that YG is totally wasting them. He holds the most powerful GG in his hands and he doesn't use the opportunities. BLACKPINK deserves better treatment.
@@nothing45678 That's why I said "The only person I can think of". Among all the girls she seems like the one who could lost interest in music, but we can all see some type of passion in her.
The only issue with mamamoo is that moonbyul doesn't showcase her vocals enough despite being so good! RBW made her include rap parts in every balad when they were rookies just so she won't sing! But yeah, overal mamamoo best kpop vocalists. I do agree about red velvet vocals being hard to distinguish, it took me an eternity to figure out who's singing, I still have trouble difrenciating between irene and yeri or wendy and seulgi sometimes. The only one who's voice is diffrent is joy! And yeah, red velvet and my second favorites vocally after mamamoo.
I'd love if you made an analysis on the girl group Dreamcatcher. They're EXTREMELY underrated, both in dancing and singing, and they definately deserve more praise for their unique metal/pop style. I mean, Siyeon's vibrato and Yoohyeon's head voice gives me life everytime
When he mentioned Mamamoo's lack of vibrato, being InSomnia, my mind immediately went to Siyeon and Yoohyeon's use of it. I don't know a lot about music or vocals but I think that they can really make their singing more beautiful with that resource. (Still, Mamamoo are also my Queens) 😁
I don't think Dreamcatcher is underrated, they're actually a bit overrated, i love them, but they aren't great vocalists nor dancers. Yoohyeon is the best singer and maybe even the best dancer too
@@luizizn165 What?! Yooheyon SuA actually created how many choreographies not only for their songs but for covers as well she can hung out with a lot of top tier dancers who are top tier Industry dancers, also vocally can overpower rock music while their main rapper and main dancers can hit belt high notes with ease and Siyeon hitting every type of high notes including whisle note and on top of that holding it for a seconds. And also no they're not actually "overrated" judging on the amount of contents they give out and quality of their overall content they can't get enough recognition while a load LOADS of kpop idols even just in this video numbers of them get recognition with bare effort in their contents and loads of them rides on the benefits of their Companies name so no actually they are the least "Overrated" especially in this video listed. Honestly did you even "LOVE" them? Cause I think you barely know their contents to say Yooheyon is the "best dancer, vocal" No she is a great dancer and vocal but not "best" cause you definitely do not have enough knowledge about the groups
Jeongyeon is so vocal skilled, so visual, so talented, I love her, but it makes me angry that from her debut, the company only mistreat her She is given the worst outfits always, almost never get the lines she deserves, and it's so annoying cause her vocal color is my favourite one from twice Now she is on hiatus (again) due to her anxiety disorder, she was back but was told she has to lose weight to comeback, and that made her performances less energetic I'm sorry, I'm just so angry about all the company does for her, let's just pray for the company treats her better cause their are renewing their contracts next year, and if she realizes how much that company is mistreating her, she probably she won't renew her contract Let's just hope the best for her and all the group too, cause all the girls are being extremely overworked
As a blink, I hope BP members will train more in vocals. I mean, they can really sing live and has talent on it but they are still lacking although Rosé shown signs of improvement. I hope Jennie can support notes in their future comeback cuz she has the biggest potential in the group (despite being the Main Rapper, Jennie once belted into E5 in the studio version which got me impressed so I hope she'll grow more as a vocalist). I hope Jisoo would definitely fix her tonality and she should try to train using mixed voice. Jisoo should also work on her placements. She is stable and really has great potential. As for Lisa, she's a decent singer but with a proper training, of course she'll improve. BLACKPINK are not the best vocal group or best vocalist individually but they are definitely not the worst vocalists in kpop. And as always, MAMAMOO and RED VELVET's Vocals are UNTOUCHABLE💗
Agree!! YG has unique voice with technique . Not like SM has pure voice with technique. And mamamoo so strong voice. Bp neve failed sing live at stage . They cool !!
I like Jennie’s vocal timbre. I still cannot forget how she sang her first lines in an encore performance of As If It’s Your Last. Her voice was so round and full but with this really unique tone. That’s when I realized Jennie can sing and that with proper training, she can develop it well.
MAMAVELVET SUPREME!!!!!! So happy that Redvelvet and Mamamoo are praised because they are usually left out and are underappreciated even though their bsides are beautiful,they are my absolute favorites in the kpop world 🖤🖤🖤
Mamamoo and Wendy are on another level. And Itzy is one of a very few 4 Gen group whose sings live even tho they are not vocal bass group. 4 Gen groups are quite disappointing they need to step up their game.
Mamamoo have such strong vocals which carry the song regardless of whether it is the genre I like or not. That's what I really love about them! The biggest surprise for me initially was Wheein because Solar and Hwasa gave me the impression of powerful voices while Wheein had this sweet doll like vibe to her - while her voice was just magical!! Then Twice - Before I got into kpop properly all I knew was Likey and I automatically assumed they had cutesy voices 😂 It's only after I've listened to more songs I realised that while Twice may have cute songs their voices are completely different! I honestly love their vocals now! They carry the song too even when I may not vibe with it at first! My favourite vocal moment from them is the Yes or Yes chorus!❤️ The way their voice sounds at that part is beautiful!
Jeongyeon doesn't have a deep voice, she has a dramatic high voice (compared to e.g Mina or Nayeon who have a light high voice). Moonbyul does have a deep voice.
If only YG realized the potential BLACKPINK holds and actually trained them properly... These girls would be unstopable if they received a good vocal training and more creative freedom.
@Whimsical🌨 From what I know none of them had any vocal background before joining YG except Rosé. She never trained to be a singer, but she saw passionate about music since childhood and she was a self-taught vocalist. The rest of the members (From what I know) started their journey with singing in YG, but even there they didn't receive a proper vocal training.
Their potencial is really crazy, especially Jisoo and Jennie. Jisoo could have one of the best lower register in Kpop if she was well trained, also her upper register, which is really good for a underveloped vocalist. Jennie have this powerful vocal, she could be the most balanced member, good lows, good mixed and okay upper. They definitely are being wasted by YG.
@@dontknowwhoami823 Isn't Rosé the one with the most potential tho? Like if she gave up on all her styling choices she would have a deeper and probably more powerful voice. As for now she is the most skilled vocalist of BP even tho she herself has many issues. I do think that in general Rosé, Jisoo and Jennie could be amazing vocalists if they were only trained under for example SM, but I really think among them all Rosé seems to be the one with the most potential since it even looks like she is now improving her singing skills.
@@MoonLight-dx6gf Maybe, but I don't know, maybe she would have the best mix. But even being the best vocalist, Jennie and Jisoo have better lows, and Jisoo have a better upper. But I'm pretty sure they would be almost at the same level if they were trained by SM.
Another problem with twice is the half air half voice technique, jyp really want their idols to sound like them. Members like Dahyun and Chaeyoung doesn't have a big bright voice, their best registers are actually low, but now when you check predebut and recent years, their voices sound right now kinda airy and weak, especially Dahyun. Dahyun A4 in truth heal me. Due to that technique Nayeon has become more inconsistent with supported Bb4, i hope they can use a better technique
Finally someone mentionned dreamcatcher and loona!! I stan all these groups, but I'm happy to see more people know about dreamcatcher and loona's skills
@@judasiskariot8700 Thats your opinion no one ask you, stop being a toxic fan you're only making the fandom and the group looks bad by posting such degretory comments, no one os better or worst than anyone it my personal preference list go make your own and be respectful like a normal human being
@@veen-a2092 no one ask abt my opinion but i want to point out my fav power vocal house in kpop: 1. Mamamoo 2. Spica 3. Red Velvet 4. Sistar 5. TTS (i know this is a sub-unit but you have to listen to their cover of Carter 2 you) 6. The Grace (they were like mamamoo all 4 of them is vocally good listen to my everything if you want to know about them) 7. The Ark (eventho they only have one song and disbanded but whatever) 8. Dreamcatcher 9. Apink 10. Gfriend
Nadie pero nadie puede negar el talento, y no solo vocal, de las 4 QUEENS OF MAMAMOO, literal son ARTISTAS Si no staneas a Mamamoo le tienes miedo al éxito bb 7u7
Agreed about red velvet. Of course fans will say that they can distinguish their voices easily but for the regular listener, its difficult to tell who is singing besides wendy when she is really belting or irene when she is rapping if you arent watching their performance or lives. When i first started listening to red velvet, it took me a long time to figure out who sings what in the bside tracks.
Not really, 3 members are nasal and all have different placements so they sound different. Yeri is husky and places her voice all the way back which gives her voice a stuck in your throat voice which no one else in the group sounds like cause they don't placement issues there. Seulgi is nasal but has natural depth and places her voice in her nose to have a kinda whiny sound but it works with the natural depth she has. Joy places her voice very forward and sings very heady like she's on the verge of falsetto all the time. These 3 are super distinct. Wendy and Irene I do agree sound similar but only when Irene sings in her upper register. Other wise Wendy's lows and mixed voice sound nothing like Irene. Irene is way softer and huskier.
@@TwBelgi78 its easy for RV fans. I’m talking about a casual listener. I remember when i first started listening to them, this is what i heard/thought. I can tell their voices apart now but it took me awhile when i first started listening to them
I think even for the casual listeners would be easy to recognize their voices, literally Joy, Yeri and Seulgi sound so different, they have the most distinctive voices in the group, Wendy and Irene sometimes sound similar, but Irene have a more softer approach? Than Wendy.
I’ve always thought their voices were really distinct so this surprises me a lot. This is how i would describe tho it won’t really make sense lol Joy: sweet and melodic Wendy: versatile but usually powerful and smooth? Irene: smooth and light Seulgi: falsetto and nasal Yeri: very nasal and cute and light
I loved that you included Itzy, they are my favorite 4th gen group and I love Lia. I feel very sad for anything she has gone through, vocal, dance, body...I agree about red Velvet, I know Joy' voice, but I never know Irene a Yeri. And sometimes even Wendy and Seulgi in their middle range.
I love this video. Your points were well said amd you backed them up. I also like the detail that you put a pre-debut clip of an idol to showcase her skills more (Jeongyeon singing Lady Gaga's Applause back in Sixteen)
- I agree with the Twice ones; Jeongyeon's voice is probably my favorite in their group and it's slightly disappointing to see that she doesn't get to show it as much as she should. - I only started listening to Red Velvet recently, and I don't think I've watched a single performance where Wendy's voice hasn't blown me away.
I always love your content on artists that I follow, you are very good at putting your biases aside and leaving an objective point of view! I agree with all of your points. I think both Lia and Jeongyeon suffer from JYP girl group songs usually being very bright and high, specially Lia. Also, I wonder if you would ever consider making this kind of videos on boy groups 👀
Honestly Mamamoo and Red Velvet are my favorite girl groups in regards to top tier vocals
Same here. I also like Dreamcatcher vocals in addition to those two
OMG Samehere! These two are my top favorites. ❤❤❤
Yes..mamamoo's voice is beyond then everything 😇 specially...wheein's vocal just like ACE
Me too they're my two favorite girlgroups along with gidle
yess! and loona - haseul and chuu are a godly pair
Actually Mamamoo is one of the best vocalist in 3rd gen, they can blend with each other especially Wheein she is the back bone of the group no wonder she has so much collab with other artists and she was listed to the top 5 vocalist of south korea along side with other veteran singers and the fact that she's the only idol who listed there....
Yes buddy ☺you are absoulatly right 🤲 mamamoo is the best vocalist group of k pop FOREVER 😍feel proud as a momoo
true. it think most people notice how good wheein vocal control is. She has a very stable vibrato. I see many video talking about ranking mamamoo vocal and wheein always at the top.. but underrated not many people know her..
@@snowfreezer2863 yes😟😕😔 i am Feeling very sorry fir her😭as she is my bias ..........it's because their fa***** company 😤 they can't promote them well 🚶♀️😟
Absolutely agree ☺️💚💚💚
@@soullessch3n908 yes☺
Mamamoo vocal quality is next level. Period.
Yup.....Mamamoo should not be on the list coz of obvious reasons on the vocals.... Its just not fair.... 😊
aespa next level pff
sorry i had to
@@yunawons aespa who? seriously speaking Idon't know them. Are you under age or minor? 🙊
@@SM_itsme okay first how do u not know who aespa is and second why is it any of your business how old i am
I personally think when it comes to vocals MAMAMOO is literally unbeatable seriously like UNBEATABLE!!!
I used to believe this till I heard Big Mama. Those ladies are INSANE. If you're a MooMoo, the Big Mama Dingo performance is definitely worth a watch if you haven't yet.
@@lapizlapoppy Oh yeahhhh they're BIG MAMA afterall.I was shocked too like wow but what I meant here was that mmm is unbeatable among the comparision going on in this video with these groups but I still somehow can say that mmm has really broden and proven their singing capabilities in diff genres which in comparision to big mama is little bit limited as they mainly go for gospel,soul r&b but I can understand that they disbanded in 2012 so they've a lot to show.I'm exicted to see what they bring to the game!!!
@@euruuuuuu OOOHH okay I see where you were going for now. My mistake 😅. Also YESS I'M EXCITED FOR THEM TOO!
Absolutely
SNSD Tayeon?..Ailee??...
Wendy is is up there in the list of most consistent female Kpop stars
I genuinely feel like Wendy would fit in perfectly with the vocalist in mamamoo
I agree, she's sublime, and I can say that just by hearing 'Like Water'
If wendy and wheein d a collab, it will be the end of me!
Me two. Mamamoo has very powerful vocals wherein Wendy would easily fit in.
I agree, we need a collab
Let's not get ahead of ourselves lmao
Actually, the worst thing bout Mamamoo is that Byul isn't showcased enough in main tracks. She has a really beautiful vocal color and she has the skill to back it up. As for their vibrato, I guess Hwasa and Solar are a lil inconsistent. But it's Byul's lack of vocal lines that drives me crazy sometimes.
Thisss
She is main Rapper and even though Hwasa is lead Rappers we rarely see her rapping ..
yeah i wish she had more vocal lines
@@KarinabiasedMy actually they don't have main or lead
@@KarinabiasedMy she used to rap a lot during their first years tho, if you listen to the bside tracks of their old albums
but since something like 2018 it's true she doesnt rap a lot anymore, more focused on vocals
not me crying while listening to Mamamoo's vocals. T^T my fave vocal group then Red velvet.
SAME
I can’t listen to where are we now with tearing up a bit
The vocals are just too beautiful
@@brandoncole5533 yeeeees my gosh
SAME
same, then purple kiss
I stanned each group menti0ned here one after the other, but i can say that i stan MAMAMOO the longest and the hardest. Up until n0w. Never letting go, Moos×MAMAMOO.
sameee
Moomoo forever ! never letting go
Did u sell the merch once u moved on from one group
hmmm irene and yeri's voices are hard to distinguish at first, but joy's voice is instantly recognizable. in my opinion she has the most distinctive voice out of the 5 of them
yessss
Yeah, Immediately confused at what he meant there. Irene's upper register sounds a lot like Wendy so I thought that was going to be the comparison. Seulgi and Joy sound similar only when in falsetto. Irene sings way softer and Wendy sings more powerful cause she's given more belting lines. Joy, Yeri, and Seulgi are are all so distinct that I can't even understand lol.
I agreeee
Red velvet is literally about variety. Their voices are all evidently distinct and unique from one another.
yes i don’t understand what he’s saying tbh. joy has a totally different kind of voice to yeri and irene
I think Red Velvet's tonal similarity helps in harmonizing, together they sound very heavenly.
I agree. Their choruses are iconic!
Yes, this is why I don't consider it a "negative" the clearly work on this heavily. Wendy and Seulgi have different vocal tonality but to harmonize like they do, they have to train their voices to sound similar. However, what I think they did for Queendom was smart, it highlighted the ladies individually on the chorus, and it can train the fan's ears to hear the differences better. I know many fans did not like that Queendom lacked RV's usual harmonization, but to gain new fans, they need to let the ladies shine individually. That said, one of the best harmonization duos is.....YERI and Wendy! If you hear them together ONLY like in Bing Bing they have incredible harmonization!!!
I agree they sound so nice together
It's a fact that Mamamoo has my favorite female vocalists ... and even though I don't really enjoy Red Velvet's music I really like their vocals.
Thanks for this video, it helps me learn about other groups! 🤗
I love Red Velvet girls, but the songs just are not my thing. They have my least favorite songs in the 4 big groups in 3rd gen
@@pedrohenriquecarneiro4331 Really? Bruh i respect your opinion but happines/ice cream cake/power up/red flavor/automatic/be natural/umpah umpah/rbb/physco/zimzalabim/peek a boo/rusian roulette and more are bops
@@moonlightespt3818 well if they said they dont enjoy rv music this doesnt mean they are saying the music is bad. Just is not their style. Its normal.
red velvets bsides are my favorites after MAMAMOO and PURPLE KISS ones ahaha
Listen to red velvet albums. It is heavily complained these songs are better than the title track. Other than vocals, it is the best thing about red velvet.
The fact that in that clip Hwasa was hella sick. She’s a very underrated vocalist also Moonbyul have a lot of potential. For me not only Wheein is a excellent vocalist in the group, all of them are amazing with their strengths and yes they may have flaws but their vocal ensemble is simply the best. Also the individuality of the members not only vocally but even in their stage presence and dance makes them very versatile to ALL of them, without mentioning their creativity and autonomy in their music 🤩
I totally agree
Yes! Wheein’s technique is unbelievable.
They have a powerful vocal discography.
I don't think Hwasa's vocals are underrated at all . Literally everyone from the korean music industry who's familiar with Hwasa have praised Hwasa's unique vocals ( the rasp and the range in her voice) . Also, the same thing goes for Moonbyul . The latter's distinct deep voice is very much appreciated . To sum up, every single Mamamoo member has a vital role in the group .
Mamamoo is not mamamoo without Solar, Moonbyul, Wheein or Hwasa ❣️❣️❣️❣️❣️
@@samiafliti1848 yes hwasa is always praised by professionals but you rarely see people appreciating her vocals under youtube videos when her techniques are really good. i never see comments that praise her technique, agility, control, vocal range etc. too bad people think only crystal clear voices or belting 24/7 or falsetto, which she can do all, are considered as good vocals.
Jeongyeon really needed more lines. Her lack of lines is criminal.
she’s being criminally robbed at this point
Fr she’s literally the 2nd best vocalist of Twice
It's been 7 years.... come on JYP.
IKR
im so shoked i forgot how good she was at singing, i mean SHE IS... jyp deserves jail wtf, shes so so good tbh
Mamamoo vocals is no joke. They know how to compliment each others vocals and blend beautifully. Definitely a powerhouse within the 3rd generation.
Even tho I'm a hardcore MooMoo and Mamamoo's vocals are unmatchable. But Wendy's part in their Mv Psycho is unforgettable.
True it made me to finally check their albums. Solid body of work i was pleasantly surprised
Mamavelvet SUPREME!!!!!!
MAMAMOO has their own tone individually and when they sing together it blends perfectly
Finding your own tone as a Singer is important as well as the harmony as a Group
The range and versatility of MAMAMOO are seriously another level. They don’t really fit the idol concept because they’re well-rounded artist who writes and composes their songs. However, I do like all of the groups you mentioned here!
MAMAMOO's vocals are God tier I cried my eyes out on their Queendom I Miss You perf cus of their vocals nd how beautiful it was 🙂
There will never be a k-pop group like Mamamoo again ig thank god I found them at the right time 🙃❤️
Sameee
Periodttt
Mamamoo is so vocally talented!!!
Mamamoo are the vocal queens of 3rd gen ❤❤ .
Thanks for the video btw
little mix
ariana
not blackpink
wheein and solar
dont forget hwasa+moonbyul
Just how can a group like mamamoo exist? They dont lack anything, they just excellence itself.
They’re all aces too😭
The only thing they lack is height 😂
@@swfs253 or .... quoting Wheein ...KASEUMMMM
@@swfs253 and the ability to lipsyncccccc
Er lip sync has left the chat
Wendy is the first idol I heard that can actually sing. That actually shocked me cause the reason why I was not into Kpop before is because I'm into talented artists. Not just the typical visuals and choreo. Then there's Mamamoo. Oh god, Mamamoo. I just fell inlove and can't get enough. I just hate that I stanned them so late.
Taste 👌
Listen to Shinee as well, they have Jonghyun, Onew, etc
You should check out suju's vocal line
@@kitty.miracle nope
same here lol. i honestly don't listen to those groups who can't sing or don't know anything about singing
Mamamoo is unbeatable, they are all unique and vocally talented. They use their strengths and technique well
Mamamoo cleansed my ears. Their vocals are heavenly and I will never regret stanning them.
First of all, I enjoyed this video and agree with majority of your points honestly. I love how you highlighted Byul's vocals. Most who review Mamamoo on youtube really only talk about her rapping. I'm mostly Hwasa biased, but I do enjoy Byul's singing voice because it's very velvety when she sings longer parts. I think with Red Velvet they started evening out Seulgi and Wendy's parts when it comes to vocal difficulty, so Wendy wouldn't have to push her voice in every single performance. Plus in cases where Wendy couldn't perform Seulgi can cover her most vocally challenging parts. I'd say Red Velvet's voices that have the most "character" are Joy, Yeri and Seulgi (when she sings in her upper register).
Seulgi and Joy did really well covering Wendy's parts that they could, but there's only so much they can do. Wendy's "most vocally challenging parts" are still left being played in the background in their concerts though. There's a reason they didn't perform Zimzalabim while she was on her haitus. There was a lot of sustained belts and head voice adlibs that they just let play in the background during the concert cause they would injure their vocal chords if they were to cover them cause there's clearly a gap in technique. But Seulgi as a lead vocalist is very impressive that she's on the same level as many main vocalists nowadays and she clearly holds her own in RV, but Wendy's level is just different.
@@chrissyalapo-calg9748 Yes Wendy really is above and beyond majority of artists in the kpop world. When she couldn't perform due to her injuries I really missed her energy and her voice with them. You're absolutely right, there are simply just some songs that Seul/joy can't handle or cover her parts especially with no vocal backing. Wendy truly is a vocal beast wrapped up in a smol body lmao.
@@oddlitalks894 😂true, it blows my mind how such power can come from such a small body haha. But yeah ot5 RV voices really compliment eachother and they are just perfect together😍
Wendy has the most character to her vocals. She can literally sound like 8 different people and sometimes in the same song 🤣🤣🤣
She can also sound like all her members when she wants to. That voice is golden.
Everyone's voice in RV is very nice for me except Yeri... She sounds annoying.... Her talking voice is much deeper.
With Red Velvet, I honestly don’t think their voices are that similar at all? They blend together extremely well (especially Wendy) but I can tell apart every single one of them singing with almost no difficulty, and I’ve pretty much been able to do so since I first got into them. At most, I think Wendy and Irene can sound kind of similar on more rap-like lines and when Wendy aims for a brighter tone she sounds pretty similar to Seulgi. Other than that they all have pretty damn distinct tones, especially Joy.
Joy and Seulgi are so distinct wtf
@@xylypotatohead3947 And even Yeri
@@xylypotatohead3947 EXACTLY!
It will be similar for the ears of the non-fans. But it will be distinct for their fans. I also got confused with their vocals, since I ain't a fan. Except for Joy maybe.
I agree, Wendy and Seulgi do sometimes sound the same but not all the time. I mean even their parents can’t tell both of them apart lol
I don't think RV lacks variety because of their tone, it's just their ways of singing are very similar, the SM singing style. Your "worst" quality for Red Velvet is actually also one of their strengths. Since they "sound" similar their voices do not clash with each other when they sing in unison for their choruses.
Yes, good singers should be able to do both. Good singers can adapt their tone a bit to fit with the people they’re singing with. It could also be their producers who push it.
Definitely, SM groups usually are very good at unison singing.
Thats most of the SM groups, everybody talk about sm being the best vocal company but for me they only debute groups who can fit their vocals together but individually there is not potential. Wendy can be a potential soloist but the other members cant relate. The same with EXO.
@@ninorata3236 but at least their non vocalists can still fit well with their crazy vocalists and harmonize with them or sing in unison with them cleanly.
@@maximus4488 without doubts, they all fit very good.
There is only word for Mamamoo=Perfection
YAS Wendy really deserves the acknowledgement! some ppl think she's not that good and think that her lines are really not that hard, but Seulgi and Joy said when they had to record her lines (there were some they couldn't even record), they almost died and were so exhausted after that they realized how awesome Wendy was and they kept praising her. She really is such a well-rounded vocalist with all her registers being well developed and deserves her title as the "finest main vocalist of the 3rd gen". She's even up there with 2nd gen main vocalists who are much move developed and advanced than the newer gen
I always see you in videos abt Wendy's vocals!! Tbh I don't understand much about singing so I just believe what people with more knowledge say lol but her voice and mostly the emotion she puts into singing really moves me. Wendy is a gem and I think RV fans sleep on the role she plays in their sound a lot.
@@leti9130 haha yay! I’ve been noticed☺️ and Wendy is truly a gem and it’s sad that she’s just starting to get the recognition she deserves. Even though she was acknowledged for her skills before she wasn’t really appreciated for everything she does in RV songs. Thanks for loving Wendy and RV🥰
even those who don't know anything about vocals(example- me) can tell that wendy is undoubtedly one of the best vocalist of kpop. i hate when people compare her with seulgi and say that seulgi is better. they have no idea what they are saying lol. delusional level is wow
I'm not even a fan of red velvet.... But who in their right mind thinks Wendy isn't a good singer?!?!? That's literally absurd. She could literally substitute as a mamamoo member and no one would notice. And though it PAINS me to say it, shes probably just as strong if not stronger than each mamamoo member individually (but mamamoos group vocals would absolutely thrash redvelvets group vocals)
@Joseph Kim right?? It's literally only delusional ppl who can make such a claim. And yes though MMM would destroy RV as a group, Wendy is a stronger vocalist individually, I know it might be hard to admit for Moomoos so thanks for not being biased😂
mamamoo vocals is no joke!,specialy solar voice is so incredible 🤘
Yes, Wendy QUEEN, Mamamoo queens too
Finally someone gave twice's lead vocalist the recognition she deserves.
YES
Fr, newer ONCE here and I’ve picked up on this in the B sides
Like wtf Jeongyeon’s vocals are perfect
Many onces think Jeongyeon is better than Nayeon... Both are good, why to hate one?
@@Whiplæsh well I never said who's better or something i just said she deserves better as a lead vocalist
I really don't know how you got that:/
Ikr! Jeongyeon should be given more chances to sing more. Imagine her vocals if she chose SM during her trainee days
Itzy biggest strenght i think is confidence, they are not the best singers, Lia the main vocalist is kinda shallow, but they are not afraid to show people their vocals, they are really amazing for a group that is still kinda new, Lia and Yeji have a lot of potential
@@greenrocket9344 They’re talking about their biggest strength. Do you not know how to read?
@@greenrocket9344 It was their opinion why are you so mad? Calling someone poor over correcting you. The only poor thing here is your lack of common sense.
@@greenrocket9344 That's actually something really good, none of the 5 seem scared to perform or sing, and that's rather uncommon on kpop groups. even if they're not the best singers or dancers, they're not afraid of showing what they can do
People were saying that Jisoo was a bad dancer and that Jin and RM were also bad dancers but now they praise their dancing skills and also theislr vocals seeing how much they've improved after so many years. Lia is undeniably using less energy than others but as time goes by you will grow to accept her adorableness and see that she's trying to get better and better day after day.
Yeah but itzy is more a dancing group tho. Their dancing is top tier.
Honestly before I couldn't see what people used to say about Jeongyeon being better than Nayeon, because #1 I'm not completely a ONCE, so I hadn't seen much of them other than title tracks, #2 Cuz JYP is hiding her talent, so the new fans can barely see it, but once you get more into TWICE music, you watch live performances, solo stuff and etc, then you realize how incredible is Jeongyeon vocally and how unfair is her treatment, not only has a good range, and big potential, she also has a great stability which at least I'm glad people are aware of. Honestly, she is one of those members who really need to make solo content, and to be more pushed, so people can see their talent.
Joengyeon has my favorite voice in Twice ngl
The fact that RV members sounds the same is mainly because of their vocal training, it's also the reason why RV sounds the best when singing together or how SM groups are the best in harmonizing. Plus it's very common in SME groups especially in their vocal line to somehow sound the same an example of this is Jessica and Taeyeon from SNSD. This just show how their vocal abilities are somehow similar making them sound the same when singing a specific note. Honestly, I don't think RV has any bad side on their vocals, because each and every members has their own roles whenever they're singing and it shows.
colour me surprised, this is the first time I'm hearing someone say that there isn't a vocal variety in RV :o So many times, I hear how different their voices are from eachother haha. I won't lie though there are times when even Luvies confuse their voices. But there are 2 groups in Rv, Non-nasal and Nasal. The Nasal group is Seulgi, Yeri, and Joy, with Joy being the least nasal, and the Non-nasal group is Wendy and Irene, but sometimes they can be very slightly nasality, it's not always pleasant. That's why even Irene and Wendy can sound the same in their lower and upper register. But the nasal group all sound completely different from eachother, cause they all have different placements so their nasality is different. Yeri's voice is like placed behind her head, so it's really hard for her to project and her nose sounds blocked like she's singing from her nose, Joy's voice is placed like ontop of her head so it's very bright and light and shaky, while Seulgi's is also like behind her nose, and she has a lot of tongue tension. But yeah I don't see anyone confuse Joy, Yeri, or Seulgi. But I have noticed that Wendy can actually sound like any of them. When she sings in her lower register, ppl confuse it for Yeri or Irene or Seulgi, and when she sings in her high register with a diff tone, ppl confuse her for Seulgi or Joy, haha she really is a vocal chameleon.
Yeah. I also didn't agree with that. They have so much variety in their vocals and discography.
I actually agree with the video. As a casual listener of Red Velvet, the only voice I can distinguish is Wendy's and sometimes Seulgi's. I used to think I had Irene down, then it turned out she's not the only one that raps lmao.
@@shhhimnothere.2878 haha oh yeah I can totally see how someone ppl would be unable to distinguish them, actually even Luvies sometimes get confused and argue over who sang what line, and it’s only cleared up once they see the live performance😂 It’s just most of the time I hear that they’re voices are so different/distinct. And to me, I can clearly distinguish Yeri, Seulgi, and Joy. But I won’t lie that I’ve also mistaken Wendy for someone else.😅 so yeah his argument is valid, but there is still variety among them I would say
@@chrissyalapo-calg9748
Someone once said if you don't know who is singing in Red Velvet, it is likely Wendy 🤣🤣🤣
@@eyebrowstj yes haha when I’m doubt pick Wendy, it’s the right answer 90% of the time😂
I'm very worried about itzy vocals. Honestly, jyp dont know how to treat their vocals but in itzy this is very serious. Its sometimes even awkward to see their lives vocals cause their dance are so strong and the music so high that they struggle to sing
Bro everyone literally calls them just the dancing group they’re not very strong In rapping or singing to be honest
Jeongyeon's voice was always the most impressive for me even before I joined the fandom.
If ya'll ever listened to their bsides you know what I'm talking. Songs like HO! Cry For Me and Alcohol free really lets her vocals shine.
Love Line, Up No More, and Stuck In My Head, and First Time too.
For me, if you have Seulgi in your group who can almost outsing and outdance everyone, you'll have no worries.
❤
Thank you for pointing out Seulgi!!! Finally!! Ppl don't recognize her enough for me.. We all know Wendy is queen of vocals but he made a good point in the video.. A lot of time Seulgi and Wendy both sound similar. Speaks volumes on Seulgi.. Think about when Wendy was out and she had to cover her parts and did it flawlessly.. Seulgi has amazing vocal color and ability that gives her voice the versatility to jump on any part of the song and kill it!!! And let's not skip the fact that we are talking about the main dancer!!! Seulgi deserves her flowers!!
@@ashtray2004 literally....she is known for her top tier vocals and dance...what do you mean by people doesn't recognise her enough??👁👄👁...
@@onceblink4495 I said for me!!! Key word me.... But if we being real up until recently ppl forget she is a lead vocalist.. Going through the comments in videos from QUEENDOM cb was prime example on how Seulgi is overlooked.. Not up for debate.. Like I said for me
yeah she is the ace of the group
As a moomoo, i was genuinely curious what is the worst thing about mmm vocals 😂 ok, i agree with the vibrato.
I love mamamoo too, but some of the areas all of the vocalists lack in are agility (sloppy runs with no musical direction) and weak upper register (all sing with a raised larynx above C#5 and none have a developed a connected headvoice).
@@ra3vex I didnt study voice and I'm just a musician (violin and piano), not a singer. So i wouldn't know abt the raised larynx or connected head voice. I know Solar tends to push her high notes a bit too much and strain her voice and wheein does falsetto a lot (but she has a REALLY nice falsetto so all's well haha). For the runs I'm not sure if you heard some of Wheein's riffs. I think some of them are pretty cool 😁 just to be clear, i'm not looking for argument haha. Just a musical moomoo looking to discuss musical aspects of my fav artists with other ppl :)
Mamamoo are just on other level they blend w each other so well but still keep their individuality up there. Honestly if they harmonising too u can easy distinguish their voices.
It’s so funny how you had to find something to nitpick on for Mamamoo. I love RV and am also a fan of BP and Itzy. But let’s be Mamamoo is wooooorlds apart in sheer talent as a whole group. I find BP to have incredible stage presence and each member can stand on her own. RV is very flexible in terms of concept and they all have their basics down where they can even cover for the main vocal’s absence (still hate SBS) and main rapper’s. Itzy to me is one of the top 4th gen girl groups if not the best because of their charisma, talent and stability. Twice is the nation’s group- i personally am not a fan but I understand the appeal.
But quite honestly I just want to see a collab between Queen Wendy and the Perfect Child Wheein.
Yes it's agreeable that Jeongyeon has a clear and powerful voice that a main vocal should have and I bet she can beat the rest as well😯✊💥💯
For my opinion, I think Red Velvet, Mamamoo, and Dreamcatcher have extremely strong vocals
Wendy frequently gives me goosebumps from the sheer joy of her singing.
I can say that you went easy on each group's weaknesses, except mamamoo, cuz i don't think they have much weakness as a group. But I kinda don't agree with RV's weakness as they are full of varieties. The only example i can say that they sound the same sometimes is when they sing all together, they create a sound that sounds like seulgi or something, or maybe seulgi's voice were just overpowering them by volume that time.
Funny enough if you watch RV's live performances, they usually lower WENDY's mic, they up the volume on Joy's mic, and Seulgi is the one you can hear the clearest. My GUESS is that because Wendy was a trained Accapella singer before joining SM she can naturally belt out loud enough that she overwhelms the mic, and Joy is just too soft without enhancement. In contrast, there are a few live Mamamoo performances where they NEEDED to lower Solar's mic, but didn't and it creates a not-so-smooth sound.
Red velvet, literally is about variety. Their discography, concepts and their vocals. I agree with everything you pointed out but rv's weakness.
I think about their voices there's a sweet similarity BUT I think that gives the flavour you know????
I stand by my statement that RBW is a great company for not limiting their artists and allowing them to explore themselves may it be through art, dance, singing, instruments and even song composition and production.
Yeah thats why RBW dont do that weird position /role thing too seriously either. Consider this If "main vocal" stagnates but another member kept on working on their craft and get better they never get recognized because fans keep harping on "no shes the main vocal position she should get more lines, etc". The company and the fans should be blamed as it stunts the growth of these idols its the equivalent of being typecasted for actors. That system really has to go, its stupid/ artificial and harmful to growth .
@@Ichiko980 Exactly. Nothing ever truly stays stagnant. People improve and things change and that is on periodt.
rbw does not limit mmm to showcase their talent bcos mamamoo are fearless themselves. they can't be stopped and rbw cant do anything about it so they obliged. rbw is still a bad company. the girls deserve better
when it comes to vocal queen, no one can beat MAMAMOO
I seriously appreciate & respect how mamamoo harmonize & sing together.. it just feels so powerful with a lot of emotions
WHY ISNT ANYONE TALKING ABT YERI SHE HAS AMAZING VOCALS- SHE ALSO WROTE HER SONGS THAT VERY IMPRESSIVE HAS ANYONE LISTENED TO DEAR DIARY IF U HAVENT LISTEN TO IT RN WENDY VOICE IS ALSO VERY IMPRESSIVE
🥰 yeri
Mamamoo sound the way they wanna sound. They are pros!
Thank you for the Wendy praise. She deserves the praise.
Mamamoo are vocal queens. When they performed with "Ten nights" Moonbyul's high note make everyone forget that she one of the best main rappers
Sorry for my bad English
the amount of mamamoo's vocals comments made me a happy moomoo
Mamamoo, Wendy and Seulgi are another level.
*True Vocal Queens*
About Red Velvet, I do agree that it takes time to pick one voice from the other. For me, Irene, Wendy and Seulgi blend together, and so do Yeri and Joy. But tho Wendy is their greatest vocal strength, I think it's not fair to not acknowledge that all the members can hold their own, and having the members be independent of each other is a huge plus for them.
MAMAMOO vocals are unmatchable ..
MAMAMOO IS ANOTHER LEVEL 🔥
I love Red Velvet too 🥰
I agree with the Jeongyeon one! When I first got into Twice I didn't really notice her vocal skills and abilities because of the lack of lines. I didn't even know she was in the vocal line. I just hope JYPE gives her justice, she has so much talent and potential to be one of the best kpop singers, sad it isn't rly showcased.
Can you also do a part 2 with SNSD and GFriend ❤❤
Just saying, Wheein deserves to get one of video of your 6 reasons why series :)
true, she is an exeptionnal vocalist and artist and so is Mamamoo !
not going to comment for mamamoo and red velvet because we all know they are vocalist of girl group but here i've been discovered twice songs as well their performance, the treat of JYP to Jeongyeon really poor and it's kinda unfair. she's more stable when singing live than the other member
Mamamoo are literally QUEENS OF VOCALS AND VISUALS 💜💜💜✨👑👑😌
I honestly agree very much with was said especially abt Blackpink and Red Velvet. Sometimes I can't tell the difference between Yeri and Irene and similarly for Blackpink they all have distinct voices but it needs work. There lives personally never sounds the same. Kinda like a hit and miss.
Also, Jeongyeon was surprising to me when I first heard her sing but I don't hear enough of her as I would like. Mamamoo are legends in vocals come on.
This is not the FIRST nor will it be THE LAST TIME SOMEONE BRINGS UP THE AMOUNT OF TALENT THAT IS WASTED BY NOT ALLOWING JEONGYEON TO BE THE VOCALIST WE ALL KNOW SHE IS.
I love how other group have like 1 or 2 member(s),and there is mamamoo where every member can be lead vocal in every group😌,I also like twice vocals
Mamamoo is the best vocal group of kpop and solar is simply one of the best vocalists of kpop along with wendy, her sustainability, resonance, projection are on point, solar is not a vibrato based singer, she really doesn't need it as much cause she has the magic of sustain notes with resonance incredibly well without vibrato, and it's her style, she's a powerhouse singer and she can still very versatile and she deserves credit for that
PS: Wheein doesn't have a very well off vibrato too!
That's a bit stretch
Big mama and cjsh the grace are the best vocal group in kpop
@@redvelvetismyreligion9871 "one of the best" hun. "one of the best"
@@redvelvetismyreligion9871 I'm not faulting u for thinking that red velvet has the best vocals lol. I'm telling u that op said the people mentioned were one of the best in kpop. They didn't say they were the best.
@@redvelvetismyreligion9871 As a vocal group that has amazing technique,versatility,agility,uniqueness,own creativity in music and even in writing,range,vocal variation,vocal presentation and the capability to experiment and execute so MANY genres that is actually kind of rare in kpop specially for ggs is the reason why I think MAMAMOO is definitely THE best vocal group of 3rd gen and undoubtedly one of the finest and critically acclaimed vocal group in whole kpop scene!!!
@@redvelvetismyreligion9871 you’re so right especially cjsh Lina literally demolishes every vocalist in kpop
Saying Solar and Hwasa are weak in the vibratos is literally something to just put something is the worst part, like I read before the only thing bad about Mamamoo regarding vocals is that Byul does not get show case enough
They have a little weak vibrato but it doesn't really matter since they are queens 😍
It's painful to watch Jisoo singing du-ddu, she is really uncomfortable there. Jennie has more demands than she can carry on black pink singing and rapping. Sometimes I agree with a friend that says BP needed a 5th member...I just disagree because Jisoo is there without a fair amount of lines
Tbh BLACKPINK doesn't need a 5th member. They need a proper vocal training. 3 out of 4 girls in BP have incredible potential that is currently wasted by YG.
@@MoonLight-dx6gf It’s not just training. Their agency don’t care about them. They barely make music and although HYLT was a huge hit it was the same as all their other music. I have no idea why they’re not just milking them harder. It could be that the girls aren’t that interested.
@@kristin123a Tbh I don't think that the girls are the problem here. At least not all of them. We know Lisa loves performing and that she was made to do this + she loves her fans a lot so I don't think she lost interest and same with Rosé. She is the most passionate with music among the girls so I don't think she lost interest in being an idol. When it comes to Jisoo if she lost interest she wouldn't improve so much for HYLT era. The only person I can think lost interest in being an idol is Jennie. Idk she just feels to like being a model/someone connected with fashion and influencer more.
And yeah I agree that YG is totally wasting them. He holds the most powerful GG in his hands and he doesn't use the opportunities. BLACKPINK deserves better treatment.
@@MoonLight-dx6gf but I mean if they lost interest, jennie wouldn't bother writing a rap of hers or jisoo wouldn't help with writing lsg lyrics right?
@@nothing45678 That's why I said "The only person I can think of". Among all the girls she seems like the one who could lost interest in music, but we can all see some type of passion in her.
Mine would be Mamamoo and Red Velvet with the Main & Lead Vocal of Twice for powerful vocals. OMG!! Queens please!
In my personal opinion too, Lia of Itzy must be manage under SM because Myghadd her vocals is to die for. Only need somebody to manage it properly. ❤
The only issue with mamamoo is that moonbyul doesn't showcase her vocals enough despite being so good! RBW made her include rap parts in every balad when they were rookies just so she won't sing!
But yeah, overal mamamoo best kpop vocalists.
I do agree about red velvet vocals being hard to distinguish, it took me an eternity to figure out who's singing, I still have trouble difrenciating between irene and yeri or wendy and seulgi sometimes. The only one who's voice is diffrent is joy! And yeah, red velvet and my second favorites vocally after mamamoo.
6:48 "JYP, Don't waste the talent that you have on your hands, Thank You" yes don't waste jeong's talent jype, treat her like a lead vocal.
I'd love if you made an analysis on the girl group Dreamcatcher. They're EXTREMELY underrated, both in dancing and singing, and they definately deserve more praise for their unique metal/pop style. I mean, Siyeon's vibrato and Yoohyeon's head voice gives me life everytime
When he mentioned Mamamoo's lack of vibrato, being InSomnia, my mind immediately went to Siyeon and Yoohyeon's use of it. I don't know a lot about music or vocals but I think that they can really make their singing more beautiful with that resource.
(Still, Mamamoo are also my Queens) 😁
AGREEDD
I don't think Dreamcatcher is underrated, they're actually a bit overrated, i love them, but they aren't great vocalists nor dancers. Yoohyeon is the best singer and maybe even the best dancer too
They are underrated as a group but overpraised in vocals.
@@luizizn165 What?! Yooheyon SuA actually created how many choreographies not only for their songs but for covers as well she can hung out with a lot of top tier dancers who are top tier Industry dancers, also vocally can overpower rock music while their main rapper and main dancers can hit belt high notes with ease and Siyeon hitting every type of high notes including whisle note and on top of that holding it for a seconds. And also no they're not actually "overrated" judging on the amount of contents they give out and quality of their overall content they can't get enough recognition while a load LOADS of kpop idols even just in this video numbers of them get recognition with bare effort in their contents and loads of them rides on the benefits of their Companies name so no actually they are the least "Overrated" especially in this video listed. Honestly did you even "LOVE" them? Cause I think you barely know their contents to say Yooheyon is the "best dancer, vocal" No she is a great dancer and vocal but not "best" cause you definitely do not have enough knowledge about the groups
MAMAMOO es único, donde todas sus integrantes son vocales y también pueden rapear, bailar, etc... el mejor 👏
Jeongyeon is so vocal skilled, so visual, so talented, I love her, but it makes me angry that from her debut, the company only mistreat her
She is given the worst outfits always, almost never get the lines she deserves, and it's so annoying cause her vocal color is my favourite one from twice
Now she is on hiatus (again) due to her anxiety disorder, she was back but was told she has to lose weight to comeback, and that made her performances less energetic
I'm sorry, I'm just so angry about all the company does for her, let's just pray for the company treats her better cause their are renewing their contracts next year, and if she realizes how much that company is mistreating her, she probably she won't renew her contract
Let's just hope the best for her and all the group too, cause all the girls are being extremely overworked
Mamamoo was actually the group that opened my ears and eyes to other groups who are not under the big 3.
As a blink, I hope BP members will train more in vocals. I mean, they can really sing live and has talent on it but they are still lacking although Rosé shown signs of improvement. I hope Jennie can support notes in their future comeback cuz she has the biggest potential in the group (despite being the Main Rapper, Jennie once belted into E5 in the studio version which got me impressed so I hope she'll grow more as a vocalist). I hope Jisoo would definitely fix her tonality and she should try to train using mixed voice. Jisoo should also work on her placements. She is stable and really has great potential. As for Lisa, she's a decent singer but with a proper training, of course she'll improve.
BLACKPINK are not the best vocal group or best vocalist individually but they are definitely not the worst vocalists in kpop. And as always, MAMAMOO and RED VELVET's Vocals are UNTOUCHABLE💗
Agree!! YG has unique voice with technique . Not like SM has pure voice with technique. And mamamoo so strong voice. Bp neve failed sing live at stage . They cool !!
@@zaradanrifky9746 lmao the backhanded compliments to yg and mamamoo. it's okay noone is saying your favs can't sing or worst vocalist
Stamina = for stable live singing
Diaphragm = for support/voice quality
I like Jennie’s vocal timbre. I still cannot forget how she sang her first lines in an encore performance of As If It’s Your Last. Her voice was so round and full but with this really unique tone. That’s when I realized Jennie can sing and that with proper training, she can develop it well.
I see one members of mamamoo's ..
I clicked 💅🙆💚
MAMAVELVET SUPREME!!!!!! So happy that Redvelvet and Mamamoo are praised because they are usually left out and are underappreciated even though their bsides are beautiful,they are my absolute favorites in the kpop world 🖤🖤🖤
One of the reason why I'm into Twice is Jeongyeon's voice. It's so clear and well projected.
Finally the word that I'm looking for
1. Mamamoo
2. Red velvet
3. Twice
4. Blackpink
5. Itzy
Mamamoo as vocal queens period sun of beach hahahha
4th gen vocals would be Purple Kiss
YES
yes of course !!
Maybe they deaf or don’t pay attention to purki bc it ain’t from big 3 but vocals, swan? Chaein? Go eun? Jieun? Dosie? Hmmmm
Not surprise since they are Mamamoo juniors🤷♀️🥰 Can't wait for their comeback!
Yes, our dear rbw artists!
Solars hight note isn't joke
Mamamoo and Wendy are on another level. And Itzy is one of a very few 4 Gen group whose sings live even tho they are not vocal bass group. 4 Gen groups are quite disappointing they need to step up their game.
Mamamoo have such strong vocals which carry the song regardless of whether it is the genre I like or not. That's what I really love about them! The biggest surprise for me initially was Wheein because Solar and Hwasa gave me the impression of powerful voices while Wheein had this sweet doll like vibe to her - while her voice was just magical!!
Then Twice - Before I got into kpop properly all I knew was Likey and I automatically assumed they had cutesy voices 😂 It's only after I've listened to more songs I realised that while Twice may have cute songs their voices are completely different! I honestly love their vocals now! They carry the song too even when I may not vibe with it at first! My favourite vocal moment from them is the Yes or Yes chorus!❤️ The way their voice sounds at that part is beautiful!
WheeIn is definitely the most skilled vocalist.
Exid and mamamoo vocal queens
facts !
dont forget SNSD
Jeongyeon and Moonbyul is special for me their deep stable voices are special 🖤✨
Jeongyeon doesn't have a deep voice, she has a dramatic high voice (compared to e.g Mina or Nayeon who have a light high voice). Moonbyul does have a deep voice.
If only YG realized the potential BLACKPINK holds and actually trained them properly...
These girls would be unstopable if they received a good vocal training and more creative freedom.
@Whimsical🌨 Sorry I don't understand the question 😅
@Whimsical🌨 From what I know none of them had any vocal background before joining YG except Rosé. She never trained to be a singer, but she saw passionate about music since childhood and she was a self-taught vocalist. The rest of the members (From what I know) started their journey with singing in YG, but even there they didn't receive a proper vocal training.
Their potencial is really crazy, especially Jisoo and Jennie. Jisoo could have one of the best lower register in Kpop if she was well trained, also her upper register, which is really good for a underveloped vocalist. Jennie have this powerful vocal, she could be the most balanced member, good lows, good mixed and okay upper. They definitely are being wasted by YG.
@@dontknowwhoami823 Isn't Rosé the one with the most potential tho? Like if she gave up on all her styling choices she would have a deeper and probably more powerful voice. As for now she is the most skilled vocalist of BP even tho she herself has many issues.
I do think that in general Rosé, Jisoo and Jennie could be amazing vocalists if they were only trained under for example SM, but I really think among them all Rosé seems to be the one with the most potential since it even looks like she is now improving her singing skills.
@@MoonLight-dx6gf Maybe, but I don't know, maybe she would have the best mix. But even being the best vocalist, Jennie and Jisoo have better lows, and Jisoo have a better upper. But I'm pretty sure they would be almost at the same level if they were trained by SM.
Another problem with twice is the half air half voice technique, jyp really want their idols to sound like them.
Members like Dahyun and Chaeyoung doesn't have a big bright voice, their best registers are actually low, but now when you check predebut and recent years, their voices sound right now kinda airy and weak, especially Dahyun. Dahyun A4 in truth heal me.
Due to that technique Nayeon has become more inconsistent with supported Bb4, i hope they can use a better technique
Everyone hates that JYPE technique, I don't know why he insists with it, it's clearly a bad choice
My list of Vocal powerhouse currently in Kpop:
1.Mamamoo
2.Dreamcatcher
3.Loona
4.Red Velvet
Finally someone mentionned dreamcatcher and loona!!
I stan all these groups, but I'm happy to see more people know about dreamcatcher and loona's skills
pls no vocally technique loona and dreamcatcher are lower like lower than blackpink and twice
@@judasiskariot8700 Thats your opinion no one ask you, stop being a toxic fan you're only making the fandom and the group looks bad by posting such degretory comments, no one os better or worst than anyone it my personal preference list go make your own and be respectful like a normal human being
@@veen-a2092 no one ask abt my opinion but i want to point out my fav power vocal house in kpop:
1. Mamamoo
2. Spica
3. Red Velvet
4. Sistar
5. TTS (i know this is a sub-unit but you have to listen to their cover of Carter 2 you)
6. The Grace (they were like mamamoo all 4 of them is vocally good listen to my everything if you want to know about them)
7. The Ark (eventho they only have one song and disbanded but whatever)
8. Dreamcatcher
9. Apink
10. Gfriend
@@judasiskariot8700 In vocals, Loona is lower than BP and Twice, but Dreamcatcher is higher.
All member of mamamoo are best vocalist 😇 specially wheein's vocal feel like #ACE☺ her #easy and #watercolour is so precious song.......
Nadie pero nadie puede negar el talento, y no solo vocal, de las 4 QUEENS OF MAMAMOO, literal son ARTISTAS
Si no staneas a Mamamoo le tienes miedo al éxito bb 7u7
seeing all these mamamoo comments makes me so proud as someone who doesn't think their vocals are appreciated enough
Agreed about red velvet. Of course fans will say that they can distinguish their voices easily but for the regular listener, its difficult to tell who is singing besides wendy when she is really belting or irene when she is rapping if you arent watching their performance or lives. When i first started listening to red velvet, it took me a long time to figure out who sings what in the bside tracks.
Not really, 3 members are nasal and all have different placements so they sound different. Yeri is husky and places her voice all the way back which gives her voice a stuck in your throat voice which no one else in the group sounds like cause they don't placement issues there. Seulgi is nasal but has natural depth and places her voice in her nose to have a kinda whiny sound but it works with the natural depth she has. Joy places her voice very forward and sings very heady like she's on the verge of falsetto all the time. These 3 are super distinct. Wendy and Irene I do agree sound similar but only when Irene sings in her upper register. Other wise Wendy's lows and mixed voice sound nothing like Irene. Irene is way softer and huskier.
@@TwBelgi78 its easy for RV fans. I’m talking about a casual listener. I remember when i first started listening to them, this is what i heard/thought. I can tell their voices apart now but it took me awhile when i first started listening to them
@@muichih This was way before I became a fan 2 years ago though. I am familiar with vocal analogy though. Probably helps.
I think even for the casual listeners would be easy to recognize their voices, literally Joy, Yeri and Seulgi sound so different, they have the most distinctive voices in the group, Wendy and Irene sometimes sound similar, but Irene have a more softer approach? Than Wendy.
I’ve always thought their voices were really distinct so this surprises me a lot.
This is how i would describe tho it won’t really make sense lol
Joy: sweet and melodic
Wendy: versatile but usually powerful and smooth?
Irene: smooth and light
Seulgi: falsetto and nasal
Yeri: very nasal and cute and light
I loved that you included Itzy, they are my favorite 4th gen group and I love Lia. I feel very sad for anything she has gone through, vocal, dance, body...I agree about red Velvet, I know Joy' voice, but I never know Irene a Yeri. And sometimes even Wendy and Seulgi in their middle range.
I never heard Moonbyul sing before. She's a very decent singer.
She started out as a singer in the industry but people told her to switch it up to become more recognisable.
I love this video. Your points were well said amd you backed them up. I also like the detail that you put a pre-debut clip of an idol to showcase her skills more (Jeongyeon singing Lady Gaga's Applause back in Sixteen)
- I agree with the Twice ones; Jeongyeon's voice is probably my favorite in their group and it's slightly disappointing to see that she doesn't get to show it as much as she should.
- I only started listening to Red Velvet recently, and I don't think I've watched a single performance where Wendy's voice hasn't blown me away.
I always love your content on artists that I follow, you are very good at putting your biases aside and leaving an objective point of view! I agree with all of your points. I think both Lia and Jeongyeon suffer from JYP girl group songs usually being very bright and high, specially Lia.
Also, I wonder if you would ever consider making this kind of videos on boy groups 👀