Friedman Runt 20 vs EVH LBX II
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I have the EVH 2x12 50W combo and it has a built in attenuator. I can play anywhere from 1W-50W and it’s easily the greatest amp I’ve ever owned. It literally does anything I need it to do in any setting or environment. I run it through a Mesa 4x12 with MXR Smart Gate and 10-band and it’s the best tone I’ve ever played with.
The combos are great, I have the 1x12, kinda wish I brought the 2x12 since I dont travel with it
Both sound great. I myself like the first EVH over the second.
How about the third? They seem to have sorted out the gain
EVH is a metal amp. The Runt is more of a classic rock amp.
The Runt also has a cab sim recording out that you can use for silent jamming without a speaker.
great comparison, thanks Phil. I prefer the evh though it's crazy noisy.
How about the Runt 20 vs The Mini Silver Jubilee.
Friedman is also twice the price of the EVH amp.
I’ve got the runt. With a bit of boost it is fantastic. Lots of harmonic gain juicynesss. Love it.
Why didn'y you try out the 1/4 power option on the EVH?
I bought the EVH because of it's size, weight and price. Friedman makes killer stuff, but I don't think this was a fair comparison. It is a bit noisy on the high gain channel, but there are ways around that. Also, the EVH has a Resonance knob on the back with a 1/4 drop power switch.
you will get a totally different response from both amps through a 4x12 cabinet.I have a be 100 half stack and use the EVH first model occasionally through the 4x12 and its awesome.
Thanks Phil. I really like this format.
Great demo. I wish more reviews would have that hiss/noise test!
We are really getting to the point where digital tech is winning when it comes to late night playing at home. Analog amps have to be cranked, not only because of the gain stages, but also because of the speakers' efficiency sweet spot.
Steelstring Singer I agree. When it comes to wanting to play quietly to not wake up the kiddos, digital is really there now. That Yamaha THR is pretty awesome and inspiring for a late night practice.
I know that comment is old. But what about analog and digital mixed together? An amp plus a load box? Best of both worlds
I've come close to buying the Runt several times and this might be the video that helped make my final decision not to. I know its a great amp for some but I like more gain and not by using a pedal. I want to plug straight in and go for it. I'll stick to my ENGL's for now. Thanks for the video.
Steve Cone true the runt doesn't have as much gain as the evh but the gain is usable. It is the first small high gain amp I've owned that even with gain dimed never gets muddy or hiss, also no matter how you set the eq it sounds great. Engls are great too though. To each their own but I wound not count the Friedman out.
Thanks for the input. I still have my sights on one.
Steve Cone bro the best thing you could do is go listen to a Friedman live, check out the PT 20 it's a monster. I added a switch to mine thanks to Dave Friedman. Also the Friedman amps have a lifetime warranty. No matter what you do you can't go wrong, keep rocking brother!
Thanks and Im getting closer and closer to getting one.
I haven't played the Runt 20 yet but I have played the PT-20 several times and I'd have to echo the previous statement, the gain is usable at all levels. And it's just punchy and tight in a way that I find difficult to get out of most other small wattage amps. To my ears that EVH LBXII just did not capture that same tight, punchy-ness.
One other thing I'd like to point out is how well it responded to guitar volume knob changes - I actually consider it to be much more of a plug straight in type of amp in that regard. I can only assume the Runt 20 is similar.
The LBX has a really nice fat clean channel. Like it!
In my opinion, evh is a high gaine while the friedman is a good blues rock amp
Michaël Paradjian if you boost the Friedman on the dirty channel with an eq or overdrive i bet it will kick some serious ass.
Much prefer the EVH, just for the type of gain and how it sounds under palm mutes. Noise isn't a big deal to me though.
You know, for the money, if you seek a great clean, a nice gain that doesn't have alot of noise and hiss, consider the Peavey Classic 20 head. I was recently pleasantly surprised after playing it. The clean is top notch.
Todays smaller heads are basically big pedals. Get something known for glassy cleans and high quality as your base pedal platform. I have a Mini rectifier and a Blue jr and the larger blues deluxe. These little heads sound good but are 1 trick ponies. Also a Z amp brake lite would get that EVH sizzle at speaking volume.
funny, my marshall JCM 2000 DSL100 does the exact same thing with the volume as the LBXII. when the volumes set very low, it's like that broken radio sound.
Not even comparable. One is a jack of all trades (from chimey cleans to modern metal) amp and one is a classic rock up to some 70s hard rock amp. It's like comparing apple and oranges.
And one is way more expensive than the other.
Runt vs. DSL 20 would be interesting!
That Friedman just has more mojo to it. More clarity in the chunk. Both great sounding, though.
And costs about $500 more..EVH sounds better.
EVH is a hum machine, it bleeds through the playing. If you need that much noise, you really can’t play.
The build quality of the Friedman makes it the better amp .
The clean channels had only a slight difference that I could hear, when it got to distortion the EVH got saturated quickly and after halfway it really didn't change much, just got fizzier. The Friedman stayed cleaner longer and really didn't saturate at all..even when buried it still kept it's definition. I think the Friedman wins this round, although I wonder how it handles pedals..You could probably overdrive it with a Dirty Shirley and it would probably be amazing. The EVH you could probably do the same, but only on the clean channel..just my opinion. The EVH is kinda trying for that brown 80s sound which it achieves..but needs more definition on the notes. I think with pedals it would compress to quickly for any kind of mixture.
Phillip, have you ever run a Fender blackface through your 1-12 with the Vintage 30? I have a DRRI and am building a cab to give me a different sound when desired and was looking at the V30. Just wondering how it sounded. Thanks.
I am abt to decide to buy either one actually. Thanks so much for this review!
I think both amps sound really good so it comes down to personal preference and budget. The Friedman has a smoother and more pleasing sound for my ears but the EVH might be better for those who are looking for a rip your face off harsher loud tone.
If you seek an amp with a great clean, great distortion, plus a boast and a master volume, I would highly recommend the Hughs and Ketner 20 watt Deluxe. Amazing amp. and not alot of hiss. Plus has a redox on the back to run straight to a computer. and has different cabinet simulation. much more bang for the bucks than these 2 amps. Rabea does a great demo of it.
I have both versions of the EVH LBX and the hiss is excessive but the sound is trmendous. I really like having a clean and separate volumes on the white EVH
I love your reviews~ Short and to the point~
The EVH sounds like a metal amp and the Friedman sounds like a Rock 'n' roll amp
Great Video Idea Phil. I really like the sound of that Freidman! They are both good but they are also out of my price range
I like the friedman for its clean and the evh for its distortion.
don't know th evh but i know very well friedman amps having a PT20 and a smallbox, the distortion comes from the pre but even from the master volume, gain at 10? you will get a sound but if you increase the master volume for more than 2 as Philip did you will notice how the sound change in better, more distortion but even more armonics without lots of compression. Using a tube amp like friedman with the amp volume at 1 or 2 is like using it at half of his potential. I use a lot the PT20 for recording, it give his best with the master at 6/7, same thing more or less for the smallbox with the difference that the PT20 can a little bit more aggressive. When i changed the tubes the technician said the PT20 it's a copy of a jcm800, if you know jcm800 you should know you get the best out of it with the volume at 10 with the difference that one is 20watt (18.something rms) the other is 100watt. Sorry for this long reply but even if they are "small" amps you can't judge their sound with the master at 2.
Hey Phil, love your videos, I have a runt 20 and I know you have done a review of the runt before, I don't really think this a far comparison, it's a bit apples and oranges, yes they both are el84 powered but voicing and build quality are worlds apart, Also the direct and silent recording options put the amp in a different ball park. One amp is a boutique modded marshall and the other is a cheaper version of a better amp. That is evident by the lbx2's horrible master volume. Build quality is definitely better on the runt as well. Any way not trying to put your video down because I really do enjoy the channel and always look forward to the new video.
Guitar Nut ... why is it when it's in a full size box of Manufacturers choice woods, it's not MDF, capped in that automotive black roofing Vinyl, hospital corners with a "proprietary type" corner protector , had dials on it, critics say more than you ever needed, why are these always referred to as the "M" type head. That makes no sense. These are the parts, they fit in these cubic inch dimensions in the configuration of this amplifier, I want to wrap it in Deep NE old Brown Maple, dried in the yard for 50yrs maybe ... then black vinyl, black corner fittings, internal red, yellow & orange LED's with preset color patterns making it look like it's starting to catch fire ... if others can do blue, why not be interactive to the music.
So it's not a Marshall and no one has ever tried catching Marshalls sound. They've all developed their own sound using mostly the same parts yet sound different to each other. I don't know, .Marshall has been taking a beating now for 2 years for these fluffenutter boutique head manufacturers that now only make 5-10 per line because no one wants a hard drive with presets that can amplify those preset sounds. There no need for anything but PA systems now. A mini front house 24 line input for your microphones for your 1 guitar hard drive that plays through a single Celestiion 10" at 100db. The PA is so advanced that it boosts it to straight Motörhead wall of Marshall. You won't need anything but a tape recorder sized thing, mkc'd right with 24 channels.
Love your videos brotha. Very informative. Thank you!
I would love to hear some pedals in front and back of the Runt, and some XLR Out clips. Thanks for all the great content.
great vid, and again, glad you're back.
I have the LBX11 and it does the same for me, big jump in volume with the slightest adjustment, I play it through my twonotes reload so I can crank it but keep the volume low, and it sounds great, half the price of the runt! The volume thing reminds me of the hotrod deluxe a little in the way it go's so loud so quickly.
Love the sound garden tone out of the friedman
I really like my Runt 20 for everything except louder club gigs where I'm not mic'd up. The clean tone doesn't have enough headroom. So, I whip out my Fuchs Fullhouse 50, and I'm in business!
The Runt is now $600 more than the EVH..
I replaced my el84 to mesa tubes on My EVH 5150 lbx 2 and replaced all the 12 ax7(tungsol on v1 marshall on v4 and mesa on v5) in it except the V2 position.. and it reduce the hiss sound
Awesome video! I would enjoy this kind of comparison between the lbx ii and the 5150 mini. I've watched the one with the old evh, and it was cool but why don't update the comparison? :)
Thanks for sharing!
Thank you Phillip! At the risk of being of being shamed by everyone else, have you considered doing a comparison of 2 good solid state heads?
A+ on the Friedman, I do marshall mods and the like and those mods are voiced similar, evh you are buying the name! I HAVE A FIX FOR THE VOLUME!
Please could you review any amp of the Marshall Code Series? Thanks for the channel it helps me a lot, really! I restarted playing guitar recently after 2 arm fractures and 10 years delay, and your channel is one of my inspirations. Thanks Phillip.
how can you tell its the 2nd one ?? it says III on the front panel. trying to learn this stuff to decide which one is best for me. So far theres 4 different EVH lunchbox amps. SO far
U make pretty good videos man!
Thank you for that, great job!
Is the EVH is good enough for stage and live gigging? Running it on a 4x12
sfear6 People say it's better to buy used 50 watt version
Changed the tubes (shipped with crap no brand Chinese tubes ) in my lbx ii almost immediately and most of the hissing went straight away . The small amount left on the blue channel is delt with using a gate in the loop on lowest setting if I feel the need . Fantastic sounding amp btw which prompted me to sell all of my Marshall's because I wasn't using them anymore . Paid £420 shipped for mine , is a 20w runt nearly x3 the money better ?
im sooo aggrevated i didnt get the evh lbx with the clean channel. 100 more buks but shuda got it instead.
I've noticed Friedmans have no hiss or artefacts , but because of it, can seem a little lifeless. They are so well sorted though.
I preferred the EVH amp here, just sounds more alive, and when you pushed its volume sounded Great.
I was wondering why I did not like the Friedman's clean and you are right it is too clean!
Ju287V3 bro you got to go check it out live, there's no comparison when you crank the Friedman you feel like you have heard a Marshall times 2! basically it's what a marhall should sound like but more versatile and more balls!!
Also let me add that Dave Friedman is one of the coolest guys you ever want to work with or buy something from he stands behind everything 100%. I dropped my PT 20 and it did something to the volume not only did he fix it but he added the switch to go from clean to 70s rock to heavy distortion it sounds as good as ever, just my two cents. Good luck 🎸
Phillip, PLEASE let me know if you ever decide to sell the surf green tele on the wall behind you! I will 100% buy it, totally serious!
hey Phil I have a question for you buddy how often you wax your electric guitar buddy and what kind of wax you use once again thank you very much for your help to share your knowledge with us
What's a better deal to cover all bases - an EVH LBX II with a Friedman BE-OD, or a Friedman Runt with a MXR EVH 5150 Overdrive?
guitardavept the better deal would be the EVH LBX ll with the Friedman BE-OD.There is about a $800 difference between the two set ups.
The Friedman OD pedal is about the best pedal over drive I have ever heard.
I would like to see the comparison against the stealth LBX/S 15w
Owned both Runt is a winner by far... not fizzy articulate at all levels of gain even pushed hard with a Boost pedal.
Great review
The Friedman sounds like a real vintage Marshall, the EVH not so much
And costs almost as much 😂
Greetings!.....hope you can help!....i'm really interested in a runt 20....but i CANT' try one here in me country........the question is: i KNOW..the OD channel is AWSOME!! but....the clean?...how does take pedals......especific pedals: fuzz....distortion pedals...and OD pedals??...thanks for your help!! awsome videos!!
Great comparison! I would love to get my hands on an EVH some day. I've uploaded a demo of the Runt 50w head on my channel if anyone is interested in more Runt tones. Strat, Les Pall and the bass all played through the same amp. Very versatile. Please excuse the some of the playing though ;)
*Paul
You need to compare the LBX2 to the PT-20.
Great video thanks a lot for making me want that Friedman now haha.
is the blue channel like the red on the old one. and im telling you an eq in the looo of the evh is amazingly vesatil
I thought about buying the lbxii. Does it have good lowend? Im going to be running it through an egnater armageddon 412 cab.
Have you put up a clean channel comparison between these two?
Ok right up your alley Phil, I want to run stereo for the first time and want my first tube amp to pair with a great USA made mid 90s peavey bandit 112 80w with the scorpion 12" - the clean with pedals is epic, but now I want an affordable *under 750 but it has to be light enough to carry upstairs.
Ive had 11 spinal fusions and I cant carry much my wife and I are in our 50s ISH so yea its for home recording. I was considering the marshall dsl40c with the new light creamback, or you recommended that super champ X2, I like the price and I did like it in the store with their guitar.
I too am more of a strat guy than a prs but I own almost all types including the epip93, prs c24se and epi LP and a new duo sonic humbucker/single. but my #1 is the Strat I sent you a pic of wearing your shirt in blue last week its usa HSS rosewood 2010.
So, playing pink floyd, to ac/dc to hendrix, and SRV, Bonamassa to BB king. Thoughts and rec to pair that up, OH i have a sm57 only so Id also need another mic LOL, My interface is a scarlett 2i2 into last years macbook pro into ableton live suite 9.7 beta.
Ok did I leave anything out? I use all the picks I can find, collect them too like you! And strings are dadario, balanced tension 9-40s WHEW, main pedals arfe digitech trio, behringer ts808, Hardwire DL-8 and Digitech DEATHMETAL I think all but the behringer are stereo.. Ok Ill hang up and listen - Rick in Seattle hehe
Phil did you find the LBX as bright as the 5150 50 watt?
Well comparing Friedman US made arround 1400$ with the EVH made in Mexico at 700$ is not really pertinent at all... they are both nice but are not in the same league... i would take the Friedman anytime as it's a better investment and has more options for silent recording applications... ;)
Good video !!!
I'm considering an lbx ii once I get rid of my victory v30, how will it fare with drop tuned metal (boosted)?
which one takes pedals better? maybe do a vid on that?
Did you use a mic for recording the audio?
Hey Phillip
What do you think? Peavey 6505 Mini Head vs. EVH LBX II
CreaverI Both are similar. I have the 6505 MH and it's also noisy on the gain channel. It's annoying enough that I run a noise suppression pedal in the fx loop.
Great new video Phillip McKnight! Can you do a video about whether you think solid state amps will get so good that no one will buy tube amps?
i can't find a simple answer on the runt 20. is it possible to play with the runt 20's clean channel with a full band? not metal or anything crazy like that, but more like typical cover band top 40 gig or country and singer/songwriter gigs.
wheresallthezombies Absolutely. I have never had my Runt 20 above 1/4 of the way master volume at gigs. I run direct out to get some sound to the pa also, but plenty of stage volume to hear myself over a loud drummer.
awesome! thanks man. i figured i could just go direct into a pa, but just making sure i could do it during rehearsal. but i trust you! lol. i just need to sell my roadster first.
These are pretty different amps. The Friedman is more my style for sure.
Jacob Hartman Mine and yours bofff
Yaaa, isn’t this apples to oranges?
the friedman seems more usable in my opinion, it has a variety to the gain channel where it can do a slightly overdriven almost vox-like tone and work it up to a very high gain sound. the EVH seemed to only do high gain tones, and was extremely noisy as well
Hoorah!
good vid.
EVH for me.
DSL for the win!
Ken Aiello Lol
Friedman seems to be more Versatile, Musical and Quiet, EVH its more Gainer..
Hey what cabs/speakers and mic were you using?
v30s sm57 mics, and one cab was a messa boogie couldnt see the other he was setting in front of it, a tag flashed on the screen about the mics etc.
Scott Gallimore cheers bud ,I like the sound of the 5150.....but I also like the runt. I have an axe fx so really I'm just getting preset tips ;)
Why are these amps being compared? They aren't meant for the same style....
Andrew Deck They are not? I think he made this because they are both high gain amps. Or have I mixed up the Runt and the Pink Taco?
I was like 666 - how bout them apples!
british vs 'modern' sound?
The Peavey is not good.
Runt kills the LBX. it's hard to tell in a video, but if you've ever played one for yourself the Friedman is addicting to play, much more responsive. LBX, not so much...
EVH
I see you playing some Soundgarden
as you're wearing an EVH shirt. lol
Why do none of these lunchbox heads have on board reverb? For the money you are paying, its annoying that you have to add a reverb pedal.
You mean spring reverb? To fit in the small amp case, the spring would have to be so small it wouldn't sound any good.
No, I meant digital reverb which I assume would only add about $20 to the cost of goods to these micro heads. I have a dark terror and it annoys me that I have to add a reverb pedal to the effects loop.
Phil, I was re watching the original runt video trying to see if you mention it being gigable, but I don't think you did. Is it?
comparing apples to water melon.