I really like the fact that you were up front about your friendship with Dave Friedman. That level of honesty and integrity earned you a subscriber right there.
Thanks for showing the good, the bad and the ugly. It‘s so difficult to find real-world information about amps, and your videos have already saved me from bad buying decisions. I really appreciate you sharing your first hand experience and disclaiming your possible conflicts of interest. I really appreciate your work, here!
I wish more people would talk about using the right size screw driver. Took me years to learn this lesson in life. Previously I was blaming the screws. :(
@@PsionicAudio on a more general note.. have you done a video on speakers? One of the first things some people do is replace the stock speaker with something 'better' but it's not always better. Often the factory speaker will be made/designed FOR that amp...not any amp
It’s good to uplift those who are doing things right and honestly. and I think we have plenty of footage of your reviews and opinions on other amps to know that you’re not gonna BS us on a product. I’m glad to here your opinion on Friedman, I like his amps ALOT!
I’m hoping to purchase a Runt 50 head one of these days so it’s nice to know these amps are Psionic approved. Looking forward to your future appearance on tone talk!
Thank you for this awesome video review. I own the Friedman Twin Sister Combo, love it. Your video helped me decide to pull the trigger on the this Runt 20 Combo. Running both amps with my Stereo board is tonal bliss, IMO. Really appreciate all your YT reviews.
Dave does great work. Saying good things about those amps in regards to the well thought out layout is just stating facts, especially for the lower price.
Great breakdown of the Runt Lyle... My kind of amp. I think Dave and yourself share a confidence that many consider 'abrupt'. I think it comes from years of competently fixing other peoples shit boxes. Oh... Thanks for the riff. RJ
You know you’re a fan of a amp guy when you want him to review and validate your latest amp purchase. Great content. Try to make it a habit of watching them all.
Would be great to see you on Tone Talk...one of my staples....I know a lot of people could garner new info/perspectives on amps & a variety of topics. Looking forward to it. Cheers from Vancouver Island
Thanks for the review! The Pink Taco 20 is on my short list, along with this one. I've been playing on-and-off for 35 years and this will be my first tube amp, having always been traditional solid state or electric/acoustic (remember the California Blondes? :)).
I add washers under the other washer like this amp does to all of my own amps and to customers amps. Its a cheap and quick way to stop tearing up the tolex. Also i see a lot of amps with stripped screws and its from people not using the proper screw driver. I even see people in videos online who are taking apart their amp, use the wrong screw driver size when they have a kit of screw drivers right next to them in the video. Take your time folks and do it the right way. ;-) Always love the videos, thank you so much for continuing to educate us all on equipment :-)
When seeing the thumbnail, my heart sank. Oh no...the Friedman is already on your bench...? Then thankfully the real reason is revealed😉 Innards look very nice. Don't know enough yet, but thanks to your videos, this amps components and placements look very nice. Parts are good quality too👍 Looking forward to more videos like this. Can't tell you how much its appreciated for future buyers decisions😎👍 It because of this look inside that takes the fear out of purchasing this manufacturers products😎👍 Thanks for a very important video 😃
My Runt 20 is solid! I love the versatility 3 cleans, dirty w boost, XLR easy recording. Option to play through my Vintage 30 cab. I tested it in store through a 6 speaker Marshall cab. Oof I felt it! Thanks for the in depth!
I have a JJ Junior combo which is essentially the same amp with the additional "JJ switch" for more saturation and compression. Killer amp, I have used it many times in Austin out live in a club. I also have a Dirty Shirley 40, killer amp as well. The DS40 combo has a bigger cab and has more balls and bottom end and sounds bigger. But live, miced, or using the direct out the audience can't tell the difference. Great amps and Dave is super responsive, I have emailed him a few times over the years and he has always responded very quickly.
I have the Runt 50 combo and it’s a great amp! 3 years old and still going strong. The clean channel with a tele style guitar does country tones very well. Also, I have used it with my Gibson ES 355 for jazz and it works great. My friend even used it for a rockabilly gig while his amp was being repaired. The overdrive channel does 60’s - 80’s rock very well. IMO, this amp does everything and now it is the only amp I own. Thank you for the review and opinion of this amp. 👍
You are not being overly kind to Dave. You just treat people the way you would like to be treated. Dave treats his customers with the same respect(personal experience). I am more than likely going to buy a Runt in the next few months.
Thanks for doing this. I have a Runt 20 head and had also seen the video from the UK gentleman. I am not an electronics guy but found a lot of what he said somewhat perplexing given Friedman's reputation as a amp designer. I can't say I was buying much of what he was saying as it really came off as a hatchet piect but it is still nice having a professional verify that I don't have a time bomb for an amp.
Hey LYLE ... great review as always :) I just thought you might like to know . Tony McKensie - was the guy who did the review you were talking about & it was the JJ JUNIOR he reviewed ..
I agree with everything you said in this video. Which is rare. I usually never agree with everything someone says. But you are speaking facts. Can't even argue with it if I wanted to. If you borrowed amps, and did reviews like THIS, your channel would really grow. Of course, a lot of people would be pissed off, because the truth hurts. But it would be fun! I would like you to review an ENGL Fireball 100, and a EVH Iconic head, but I know you typically only make a video for something that comes in for repair. You probably don't have a lot of free time to borrow a bunch of amps and review their build quality and circuit designs. But I think players need something like that, so they can know exactly what they are buying. Too much "snake oil" out there. So many channels on UA-cam where people just demo an amp. But literally NOBODY actually takes the chassis out to show the circuits. People are scared to use a screwdriver.
Lyle great vid, from the first "gut shot" it was obvious you could have skipped the "disclaimers" Dave Friedman makes good stuff. Truthfully , I've noticed the good techs, builders and manufacturers all seem to know or know of each other and its pretty rare anyone "trash talks" without good cause. BTW I'd love to see you on tone talk that would be a real education for most of us neophytes .
You were talking this older guy really cut down this amp i saw video that he did! and you are right he just cut down that amp! too me the inside looked very well build for a PCB amp! I have a blackstar HT 100 MK2 oh man if i new it was like that i would have ever got it. But this amp really nice! And it sounded to really good! I been thinking about getting the Runt 50 head to replace my blackstar. I really enjoy your video's you do! Thanks man!
AFAIK the transformers are Heyboer or Classic Tone; maybe others since the latter closed shop. I think that the fan boys in the comments section need to remember that Dave Friedman doesn't build these amps or most under his name. It seems like Boutique Amp Distribution went through a tough time following the pandemic and warehouse fire, and a couple amps that came through for repair locally had cold solder joints or mis-soldered parts. Hopefully they're back on their feet and more consistent again. It's nice seeing inside one of these. It looks like a Bogner level of PCB that you'd never have to worry about. It helps that the pots and tubes aren't board-mounted, too. Good design.
Hey hey just saw this notification for the Friedman runt 20 indepth review/ walk through had my notifications ready for it and never clicked faster !! Haha I was really looking forward to this one, and in some ways preparing to hear the worst and watch you rip it apart and break down any woes under the hood. ^ I'll say I'm not blues guy hard rock is my wheel house and this Friedman runt 20 at $1400 ish used (Canadian dollars) is in my opinion the best recording , gigging, jamming and " marshall esque sounding amp " for the money. In the 2 years I've had it I've sold 50w and 100w heads some Friedman some others, one even an old marshall jcm800 2203 because the Friedman runt 20 with the hot mod v2 ( I have an original and an older one ) just added that magic special sauce ontop like the best Cameron modded , Naylor style marsha or just the meanest sounding 80s modded marshall tone in such a small 20 w head. Can do lynch steve stevens, guns, dokken, Michael schenker , John Sykes the list goes on. Hasn't done me wrong yet even sent it to Dave for a second Friedman BE channel voicing with its own dedicated master, presence and gain control for said extra channel making it a 3 channel runt. After this one the only real competition at the runt 20 price point that could actually surpass its sound and feel isn't anything marshall - it would be the ceriatone 2202, or son of yeti stuff IF that can be found used , if you have to order from ceriatone direct and wait a year and a half then I'd say going back to the runt 20 new or on the used market would make any hard rock player looking for a 2 channel amp that is solid as is no mods needed more than happy for quite a long time made over seas import or not. American friedmans are great but they really made a great introduction model to their line with this one ( won't say it's the most affordable Friedman because even used I don't think we'll over 1k should be considered affordable but alas welcome to the times we live in ) ^ Cheers from Niagara falls Canada and thanks for the wealth of knowledge and indepth walkthroughs in these videos. Please do more friedmans and more ceriatones in the future if able. Thanks in advance 🤟🤟🙏
I love the concept of the 2o watt. They are ear bleeding loud for sure. I still love EL34 based amps because of their sound. They seem to have more "thump", with good bottom end. Im told thought that its pretty much due to the capping and the output transformer but I dont know. I do have a Budda Superdrive 18 watt combo. Does some neat ZZ sounds but again it sounds like an EL84 amp.
I could see right through that old guy who reviewed the JJ Jr. I could tell it wouldn't be his cup of tea right off the cut, and I also knew his complaints were pretty much unfounded. Thanks for actually exploring this one in depth and delivering a thoughtful and well-laid out explanation video rather than a "turn camera on and moan about how I didn't know what I was purchasing" one, haha..
Another nice review /modification video. I hold your opinions, and observations in highest regard, buut I'm still not a fan of board mounted tubes. That's just me. Cheers 🍻
The pot arrangement is nice, no board mounted pots waiting to break a trace if the nut comes lose, if a new one needs soldering to the little connector cable it can be done outside of the amp, no risk of any bits of solder accidentally ending up under the board during desoldering/soldering.
I like it that they use cage nuts for the chassis screws, instead of cutting the thread directly into the chassis - if you bork the thread you can replace the nut - BRAVO
A little extra thought in the design process makes for a superior piece of gear. Reminds me of old BMWs and Mercedes that were not only made of solid stuff, but designed to be serviced and making parts easily accessible as opposed to the modern ones that just fall apart and can't get to anything.
The dirty shirley mini/little sister, pink taco, etc are actually handwired for $1500. The JJ JR, Runt, etc with the included load/mic-no-mo are PCB loaded. So you can actually get handwired for that price from them, just not the multi-channel + load offerings. Also regarding "bad copies" from a circuit perspective I have no idea, but the 5150 amps sound amazing.
Personally, if you had said, "I like Dave, I like his amps, I am going to like this one.... deal with it." I would have been fine with it. I hate broccoli. No apologies for having biases. Really neat to see such care taken inside an 'affordable' amp. As someone who almost got a Hot Rod, if I were to shop, this kind of video helps a ton. Thanks for it. No need to respond.
Interesting power transformer to output transformer orientation on the chassis, most go with the irons perpendicular in one or both planes, I guess maybe the diagonal line between them might mean they sit in a null in their radiated flux or something though?
Much better than say a Marshall SV-20 for roughly the same price, even a bit better price. This is much needed information for us players/musicians and DYI'ers of limited extent.
Just picked one of these up used. Really liking this amp so far, the direct out silent tones sound really good to me. Thanks for the breakdown. Do you know the serial number range for the circuit revisions?
Thanks for this review! I'm looking for a quality option for a versatile amp that's small/lightweight enough. I'm still lugging my Rivera TBR-1M (1990 made) 65 lb Tube Rack head with a separate 1 x 12 cab and would love to get an all in one combo for easier transport. I've loved Dave's BE amps but can't afford those at this point in my life. Have you ever seen or worked on a Rivera amp before? Curious as to what your opinion would be as Paul is a legend in the Amp engineering world. Not sure if his amps these days are as high quality as his first amps (like my TBR) as those he used the highest quality military grade components he could get at the time those days. Any way....I like your channel and love the tips you provide to everyone!!
I have had direct communication with Friedman, I had a question about his amp compared to a Soldano. The fact that he would personally provide me an answer to a question tells me what kind of fella he is. I wish that my budget would accommodate both a Friedman and an SLO 100. But that wasn’t the case. Someday I will own a Friedman. Good honest review, Lyle!
Dave is a really good dude. I have a Runt 20 head that had a component failure (not Friedman's fault, just bad luck). He was in contact with me on a Sunday night troubleshooting and had a plan to get my amp fixed the following day. I'm a complete nobody and he was all over making sure I was taken care of, quickly. The amps aren't cheap but if you dig that sound I wouldn't go anywhere else.
Another advantage is the way the chassis is mounted, the tubes are less likely to cook the PCB. Mounting it on the bottom is best, but having the controls at the bottom is only practical if it's going to sit on top of a stack. Remote controls adds cost and problems.
Very nice tip on the screws . 150 ma on the small tube heaters each and 750 ma on each el84 very little current . 105 C cap very nice there high enough voltage also . Leo would be rather proud of Mr. Friedman . I prefer NTC over slow blows since I use toroid transformers and they have very large turn on surges if it at the crossover point on the AC vs constant draw . PCB are repeatable so they will sound the same one to the other . Hand wired is hit or miss and far from closely repeatable . So it has to cost a lot more since everyone of them need to be voiced to work very well . Artisan"s time cost is proportional to results. Great ain't cheap nor should it be.
The only thing I've decided is that it won't be long now before it's difficult to get an amp on the Psionic desk because everyone else is trying to do the same thing!
Thanks for this great informative content. Would you do an episode on what to look for in an FX Loop? I know they vary greatly from amp to amp. Some call theirs "transparent" others claim to be buffered, adjustable level, etc. To interoperate well with pedals and even external preamps, what should one look for?
Thanks Chris. That’s a difficult one to do unless I have multiple different amps here with fx loops of varying quality/features that I can compare and demonstrate with. But it would be good info to get out there. I’ll keep it in mind for a future video.
“Fiery death shit show“ has a nice ring to it. Definitely excited to hear you on tone talk if you guys can make that work. This video definitely got me looking at Friedman, and I’m really glad to know that even their budget stuff is quality. I would love to hear your take on Tone King amps
@PsionicAudio very nice review ! You've mentioned Blackstar amps aren't true tube amps and i agree in 99% but have u tried their handwired amps (Artisan 15/30/100)? They are completely different beasts, defo worth an in-depth loo too :)
Found this channel a few weeks back and have learned so much. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with the internet. Question: it seems like there is a pretty big delta in quality between different amps made by Boutique Amp Distribution. While you have great things to say about Friedman, it sounds like Morgan Amps are basically trash. Are these amps not made by the same people? Also curious about Tone King. I have an Imperial MKII that I love, but admittedly, I don’t know anything about it’s build and reliability. Have you come across any of those amps, and if so, what’s your verdict?
Thanks. From what I’ve heard, BAD makes exactly what they are told to make. You give them a sample amp, they replicate it. Beyond that I cannot speculate. And I haven’t had every model of Morgan come in. So maybe they have good ones too. Time will tell.
well, i have a mesa single rec, as pictured in my thumb nail. it has had a repair, though i feel it has served me well for many gigs over many years. in saying that, i don't dispute your opinion of build design, they are a tech's nightmare. unfortunately, i really love the tone and function of it. however, the most important thing after an amp needing great tone is reliability, and if i were to invest in an amp again, friedman would be at the top of the list. i just can't find fault, especially the twin sister, wow.
Thanks for this review. Pretty sure not Mercury making the transformers, based on listing to many Tone Talk episodes. Looking forward to your schedules to line up to be on there.
@@jasonweidner3274 That sounds right. When I made the above comment I couldn't remember what he said he likes, just that he doesn't love Mercury like many others do
Just this morning I was in a Runt 50 with tone controls that are acting up. There were four resistors that appeared to have "non-factory" soldering, but the amp was brand new in sealed manufacturer packaging and was purchased in person from a very well-known music dealer. One of the resistors' connections was pretty crusty and very questionable. There were also two tack-soldered connections; a piggybacked resistor, and a cap across the resistor like you found. No doubt in my mind these are tweaks done before the amps go to the dealers.
Thanks for this demo and review or should I say inside tips I guess maybe I’m a little late to the game. However I have been using a Marshall studio 2525C it’s the jubilee combo one by 12 for local gigs and I played one of these over at a buddies and fell in love with it, getting ready to make the trade and just wanted to take a double peek at this video again it just appears to be a better made amp and it certainly plays better the bottom and holds together better. It truly is just all around a better sounding amplifier than the jubilee and it gives me everything I need and even more Than the Marshall had to offer I’m not seeing the but I have to tell you the board did not look as good as this one not longshot nor did the soldering work so I don’t know I think the price on those in the UK was about $1000. Where is this for the combo is like 1699 and the USA the Marshall here is $2000 almost I certainly think 1699 is much more well spent on this amplifier. Thanks again great stuff here. 5:22
Regarding the 'British' chap who has a video, I think you are referring to Tony Mckenzie? He has a review of the Friedman Jerry Cantrell version of this amp? I've just watched that video and want to clarify what he actually says... He was complimentary of the amps tone and general build quality, there were a few things he was unhappy with and the fact it wasn't hardwired was not one of them!. His grumbles were... A couple of the switches were held on with gel, rather than screwed to chassis e.g. power switch. The cement resistors were soldered directly onto the board apparently these get quite hot and in his view these should be off the board. There were a couple of poorly soldered resistors that looked like they were added after the main board production. However the main thing he disliked was the fact that the JBE switch (I think this is only on the JJ model) didn't appear to do anything to the tone. His optics will be different to yours as Marshall amps are a lot cheaper in the UK compared to Friedman and you can buy a handwired amp e.g. Cornell in UK for less than this amp. He also pays for all the amps he reviews with his own money. BTW, these are his views not mine :-) I don't claim to know anything about amps and what is good/bad build quality.
Hi bud, I bought this very amp on your recommendation of Friedman amps being very good etc. It is a great amp and I like it a lot; the one thing about it that is not good is the send and return loop, which has a very noisy hissing sound, so I have stopped using this and go direct on the front panel. Also, I noticed you use the 8 impedance rather than the 16, is this because you had an external speaker attached and would you use the 16 with the original speaker? I ask about impedance because the shop that I purchased it from said to use the 16 impedance with the original speaker. Peach Guitars England. Love your channel, very useful and informative. 😉
You may have a level/mismatch with whatever you were running in the loop. I had it on 8 ohms on my bench (8 ohm shop cab) and 16 when testing the combo speaker.
Thanks for being very clear about your relationship with Dave Friedman. Your objectivity and honesty is a breath of fresh air.
I think you mean honest subjectivity ;)
(But i agree with the rest of your statement )
I appreciate the complete honesty at the beggining, its a rare thing on youtube.
I really like the fact that you were up front about your friendship with Dave Friedman. That level of honesty and integrity earned you a subscriber right there.
Aside from the interesting amp review, this guy must have the most calming voice on youtube! Love it.
Thanks for showing the good, the bad and the ugly.
It‘s so difficult to find real-world information about amps, and your videos have already saved me from bad buying decisions.
I really appreciate you sharing your first hand experience and disclaiming your possible conflicts of interest.
I really appreciate your work, here!
that’s actually pretty impressive design. nice to see a budget amp with that kind of thought and care
budget? the runt 20 head costs 1500 usd haha
I wish more people would talk about using the right size screw driver. Took me years to learn this lesson in life. Previously I was blaming the screws. :(
Good point. A lot of people just think a Phillips head is a Phillips head is a Phillips head.
Just noticed how much the channel is growing. congrats! well deserved.
Thank you so much
@@PsionicAudio Blowing Up, no pun intended...Just Great Content!
@@PsionicAudio on a more general note.. have you done a video on speakers? One of the first things some people do is replace the stock speaker with something 'better' but it's not always better. Often the factory speaker will be made/designed FOR that amp...not any amp
Dave's no dummy man, he's the real deal. Fit and finish on dave's stuff is quality, you can feel. Great Episode man!
Always really cool videos, thanks!
That is a beautifully done amp that sounds pretty damn amazing. Quality speaks for itself.
All I can say is keep up the good work. Blunt and honest backed up with facts and experience will do any day as far as I'm concerned.
High praise indeed.
They sound amazing
It’s good to uplift those who are doing things right and honestly. and I think we have plenty of footage of your reviews and opinions on other amps to know that you’re not gonna BS us on a product. I’m glad to here your opinion on Friedman, I like his amps ALOT!
I’m hoping to purchase a Runt 50 head one of these days so it’s nice to know these amps are Psionic approved. Looking forward to your future appearance on tone talk!
Thank you for the information. This sounds like a great Rock amp.
Extremely informative. Thank you very much
Thank you for this video. So educational.
amp repair guy here, this is a very well thought-out amp...need not make any apologies re: the integrity of your review....enjoying your channel!
I've been hoping this one would come to your channel. Thanks.
Thank you for this awesome video review. I own the Friedman Twin Sister Combo, love it. Your video helped me decide to pull the trigger on the this Runt 20 Combo. Running both amps with my Stereo board is tonal bliss, IMO. Really appreciate all your YT reviews.
Dave does great work. Saying good things about those amps in regards to the well thought out layout is just stating facts, especially for the lower price.
Great video. Pretty good build quality. I use those ceramic resistors for my builds and I'm happy to see that he uses them as well.
A nicely designed amp. You had me at the washer within the dress washer...
Great video, watched this after the Suhr Hombre In-Depth Look. Great stuff man, immediate sub. Hope to see a Diezel on your channel some day
I have one. It absolutely rips
Great breakdown of the Runt Lyle... My kind of amp. I think Dave and yourself share a confidence that many consider 'abrupt'. I think it comes from years of competently fixing other peoples shit boxes. Oh... Thanks for the riff. RJ
Informative review. Thanks.
You know you’re a fan of a amp guy when you want him to review and validate your latest amp purchase. Great content. Try to make it a habit of watching them all.
Definitely can't wait for that Tone Talk, that should be good!!!
The idea that it's modular is nice. Makes serviceability good.
Would be great to see you on Tone Talk...one of my staples....I know a lot of people could garner new info/perspectives on amps & a variety of topics. Looking forward to it. Cheers from Vancouver Island
Thanks for the review! The Pink Taco 20 is on my short list, along with this one. I've been playing on-and-off for 35 years and this will be my first tube amp, having always been traditional solid state or electric/acoustic (remember the California Blondes? :)).
I add washers under the other washer like this amp does to all of my own amps and to customers amps. Its a cheap and quick way to stop tearing up the tolex. Also i see a lot of amps with stripped screws and its from people not using the proper screw driver. I even see people in videos online who are taking apart their amp, use the wrong screw driver size when they have a kit of screw drivers right next to them in the video. Take your time folks and do it the right way. ;-)
Always love the videos, thank you so much for continuing to educate us all on equipment :-)
When seeing the thumbnail, my heart sank. Oh no...the Friedman is already on your bench...?
Then thankfully the real reason is revealed😉
Innards look very nice. Don't know enough yet, but thanks to your videos, this amps components and placements look very nice.
Parts are good quality too👍
Looking forward to more videos like this. Can't tell you how much its appreciated for future buyers decisions😎👍
It because of this look inside that takes the fear out of purchasing this manufacturers products😎👍
Thanks for a very important video 😃
This amp is very versatile. I play Blues , rock funk , country and this thing delivers!
Couple o beauties. Dave Friedman and Psionic. Well done. Want this amp.
My Runt 20 is solid! I love the versatility 3 cleans, dirty w boost, XLR easy recording. Option to play through my Vintage 30 cab. I tested it in store through a 6 speaker Marshall cab. Oof I felt it! Thanks for the in depth!
I have a JJ Junior combo which is essentially the same amp with the additional "JJ switch" for more saturation and compression. Killer amp, I have used it many times in Austin out live in a club. I also have a Dirty Shirley 40, killer amp as well. The DS40 combo has a bigger cab and has more balls and bottom end and sounds bigger. But live, miced, or using the direct out the audience can't tell the difference. Great amps and Dave is super responsive, I have emailed him a few times over the years and he has always responded very quickly.
I have the Runt 50 combo and it’s a great amp! 3 years old and still going strong. The clean channel with a tele style guitar does country tones very well. Also, I have used it with my Gibson ES 355 for jazz and it works great. My friend even used it for a rockabilly gig while his amp was being repaired. The overdrive channel does 60’s - 80’s rock very well. IMO, this amp does everything and now it is the only amp I own. Thank you for the review and opinion of this amp. 👍
I sure hope after 3 years it's going strong if not there's a major problem
You are not being overly kind to Dave. You just treat people the way you would like to be treated. Dave treats his customers with the same respect(personal experience). I am more than likely going to buy a Runt in the next few months.
Very interesting line of amps he has. I think he understands the player too in terms of the sounds they are trying to achieve.
Thanks for doing this. I have a Runt 20 head and had also seen the video from the UK gentleman. I am not an electronics guy but found a lot of what he said somewhat perplexing given Friedman's reputation as a amp designer. I can't say I was buying much of what he was saying as it really came off as a hatchet piect but it is still nice having a professional verify that I don't have a time bomb for an amp.
Really appreciate the construction. Wish Marshall was so thoughtful.
I want a runt 50 now was gonna get a evh but I like that this is better built
Hey LYLE ... great review as always :) I just thought you might like to know .
Tony McKensie - was the guy who did the review you were talking about & it was the JJ JUNIOR he reviewed ..
looks good
Dave said nice things about you on Tone-Talk , hope to see you there !
I agree with everything you said in this video. Which is rare. I usually never agree with everything someone says. But you are speaking facts. Can't even argue with it if I wanted to. If you borrowed amps, and did reviews like THIS, your channel would really grow. Of course, a lot of people would be pissed off, because the truth hurts. But it would be fun! I would like you to review an ENGL Fireball 100, and a EVH Iconic head, but I know you typically only make a video for something that comes in for repair. You probably don't have a lot of free time to borrow a bunch of amps and review their build quality and circuit designs. But I think players need something like that, so they can know exactly what they are buying. Too much "snake oil" out there. So many channels on UA-cam where people just demo an amp. But literally NOBODY actually takes the chassis out to show the circuits. People are scared to use a screwdriver.
cool , thanks for that, I have that value, I may do the mod anyway since Dave asked you to do so. thanks for your quick response.
I wish I didn’t need to be told how to not strip screw heads, but I do, so I’m very grateful for your help with that (and other stuff).
Lyle great vid, from the first "gut shot" it was obvious you could have skipped the "disclaimers" Dave Friedman makes good stuff. Truthfully , I've noticed the good techs, builders and manufacturers all seem to know or know of each other and its pretty rare anyone "trash talks" without good cause. BTW I'd love to see you on tone talk that would be a real education for most of us neophytes .
You were talking this older guy really cut down this amp i saw video that he did! and you are right he just cut down that amp! too me the inside looked very well build for a PCB amp! I have a blackstar HT 100 MK2 oh man if i new it was like that i would have ever got it. But this amp really nice! And it sounded to really good! I been thinking about getting the Runt 50 head to replace my blackstar. I really enjoy your video's you do! Thanks man!
AFAIK the transformers are Heyboer or Classic Tone; maybe others since the latter closed shop.
I think that the fan boys in the comments section need to remember that Dave Friedman doesn't build these amps or most under his name. It seems like Boutique Amp Distribution went through a tough time following the pandemic and warehouse fire, and a couple amps that came through for repair locally had cold solder joints or mis-soldered parts. Hopefully they're back on their feet and more consistent again.
It's nice seeing inside one of these. It looks like a Bogner level of PCB that you'd never have to worry about. It helps that the pots and tubes aren't board-mounted, too. Good design.
Hey hey just saw this notification for the Friedman runt 20 indepth review/ walk through had my notifications ready for it and never clicked faster !! Haha I was really looking forward to this one, and in some ways preparing to hear the worst and watch you rip it apart and break down any woes under the hood.
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I'll say I'm not blues guy hard rock is my wheel house and this Friedman runt 20 at $1400 ish used (Canadian dollars) is in my opinion the best recording , gigging, jamming and " marshall esque sounding amp " for the money. In the 2 years I've had it I've sold 50w and 100w heads some Friedman some others, one even an old marshall jcm800 2203 because the Friedman runt 20 with the hot mod v2 ( I have an original and an older one ) just added that magic special sauce ontop like the best Cameron modded , Naylor style marsha or just the meanest sounding 80s modded marshall tone in such a small 20 w head. Can do lynch steve stevens, guns, dokken, Michael schenker , John Sykes the list goes on. Hasn't done me wrong yet even sent it to Dave for a second Friedman BE channel voicing with its own dedicated master, presence and gain control for said extra channel making it a 3 channel runt.
After this one the only real competition at the runt 20 price point that could actually surpass its sound and feel isn't anything marshall - it would be the ceriatone 2202, or son of yeti stuff IF that can be found used , if you have to order from ceriatone direct and wait a year and a half then I'd say going back to the runt 20 new or on the used market would make any hard rock player looking for a 2 channel amp that is solid as is no mods needed more than happy for quite a long time made over seas import or not. American friedmans are great but they really made a great introduction model to their line with this one ( won't say it's the most affordable Friedman because even used I don't think we'll over 1k should be considered affordable but alas welcome to the times we live in )
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Cheers from Niagara falls Canada and thanks for the wealth of knowledge and indepth walkthroughs in these videos. Please do more friedmans and more ceriatones in the future if able.
Thanks in advance 🤟🤟🙏
I believe the Runts are made in California. Edit-nvm I think I misunderstood what you were saying about imports
"I'm perverse enough to do that" You got me good 😁!! I've never been comfortable with conventional either, but I'm improving 😉
I love the concept of the 2o watt. They are ear bleeding loud for sure. I still love EL34 based amps because of their sound. They seem to have more "thump", with good bottom end. Im told thought that its pretty much due to the capping and the output transformer but I dont know. I do have a Budda Superdrive 18 watt combo. Does some neat ZZ sounds but again it sounds like an EL84 amp.
Nice video. Many good points here, especially the separate PCBs for anything with mechanical stress. Keep rocking!
i sub'd, thanks for the awesome info
I could see right through that old guy who reviewed the JJ Jr. I could tell it wouldn't be his cup of tea right off the cut, and I also knew his complaints were pretty much unfounded. Thanks for actually exploring this one in depth and delivering a thoughtful and well-laid out explanation video rather than a "turn camera on and moan about how I didn't know what I was purchasing" one, haha..
Thank you for showing how to properly unscrew a screw
Another nice review /modification video.
I hold your opinions, and observations in highest regard, buut
I'm still not a fan of board mounted tubes. That's just me.
Cheers 🍻
The pot arrangement is nice, no board mounted pots waiting to break a trace if the nut comes lose, if a new one needs soldering to the little connector cable it can be done outside of the amp, no risk of any bits of solder accidentally ending up under the board during desoldering/soldering.
Nice that will be a great episode when you get make that schedule work for Tone Talk
"Not point to point". Your channel edumacated me on this misunderstanding that I have had for... A long time.
I like it that they use cage nuts for the chassis screws, instead of cutting the thread directly into the chassis - if you bork the thread you can replace the nut - BRAVO
A little extra thought in the design process makes for a superior piece of gear. Reminds me of old BMWs and Mercedes that were not only made of solid stuff, but designed to be serviced and making parts easily accessible as opposed to the modern ones that just fall apart and can't get to anything.
The dirty shirley mini/little sister, pink taco, etc are actually handwired for $1500. The JJ JR, Runt, etc with the included load/mic-no-mo are PCB loaded. So you can actually get handwired for that price from them, just not the multi-channel + load offerings. Also regarding "bad copies" from a circuit perspective I have no idea, but the 5150 amps sound amazing.
Personally, if you had said, "I like Dave, I like his amps, I am going to like this one.... deal with it." I would have been fine with it. I hate broccoli. No apologies for having biases. Really neat to see such care taken inside an 'affordable' amp. As someone who almost got a Hot Rod, if I were to shop, this kind of video helps a ton. Thanks for it. No need to respond.
Interesting power transformer to output transformer orientation on the chassis, most go with the irons perpendicular in one or both planes, I guess maybe the diagonal line between them might mean they sit in a null in their radiated flux or something though?
Much better than say a Marshall SV-20 for roughly the same price, even a bit better price. This is much needed information for us players/musicians and DYI'ers of limited extent.
Just picked one of these up used. Really liking this amp so far, the direct out silent tones sound really good to me.
Thanks for the breakdown.
Do you know the serial number range for the circuit revisions?
Brian Gerhard owns TopHat 🎩 Amps.. He and his wife are wondeful people and his amps are beautifully constructed. My favorite was the Emplexador 100..
Thanks for this review! I'm looking for a quality option for a versatile amp that's small/lightweight enough. I'm still lugging my Rivera TBR-1M (1990 made) 65 lb Tube Rack head with a separate 1 x 12 cab and would love to get an all in one combo for easier transport. I've loved Dave's BE amps but can't afford those at this point in my life. Have you ever seen or worked on a Rivera amp before? Curious as to what your opinion would be as Paul is a legend in the Amp engineering world. Not sure if his amps these days are as high quality as his first amps (like my TBR) as those he used the highest quality military grade components he could get at the time those days. Any way....I like your channel and love the tips you provide to everyone!!
I have had direct communication with Friedman, I had a question about his amp compared to a Soldano. The fact that he would personally provide me an answer to a question tells me what kind of fella he is. I wish that my budget would accommodate both a Friedman and an SLO 100. But that wasn’t the case. Someday I will own a Friedman. Good honest review, Lyle!
Dave is a really good dude. I have a Runt 20 head that had a component failure (not Friedman's fault, just bad luck). He was in contact with me on a Sunday night troubleshooting and had a plan to get my amp fixed the following day. I'm a complete nobody and he was all over making sure I was taken care of, quickly. The amps aren't cheap but if you dig that sound I wouldn't go anywhere else.
Wow, that is a really nice sounding amp! Just like a good Marshall … but better. 😜
My Friedman Smallbox which is about 5 years old has Heyboer transformers in it.
Another advantage is the way the chassis is mounted, the tubes are less likely to cook the PCB. Mounting it on the bottom is best, but having the controls at the bottom is only practical if it's going to sit on top of a stack. Remote controls adds cost and problems.
What a beautiful PCB! Yeah, I’m a geek.
Very nice tip on the screws . 150 ma on the small tube heaters each and 750 ma on each el84 very little current . 105 C cap very nice there high enough voltage also . Leo would be rather proud of Mr. Friedman . I prefer NTC over slow blows since I use toroid transformers and they have very large turn on surges if it at the crossover point on the AC vs constant draw . PCB are repeatable so they will sound the same one to the other . Hand wired is hit or miss and far from closely repeatable . So it has to cost a lot more since everyone of them need to be voiced to work very well . Artisan"s time cost is proportional to results. Great ain't cheap nor should it be.
The only thing I've decided is that it won't be long now before it's difficult to get an amp on the Psionic desk because everyone else is trying to do the same thing!
Thanks for this great informative content. Would you do an episode on what to look for in an FX Loop? I know they vary greatly from amp to amp. Some call theirs "transparent" others claim to be buffered, adjustable level, etc. To interoperate well with pedals and even external preamps, what should one look for?
Thanks Chris.
That’s a difficult one to do unless I have multiple different amps here with fx loops of varying quality/features that I can compare and demonstrate with.
But it would be good info to get out there. I’ll keep it in mind for a future video.
“Fiery death shit show“ has a nice ring to it. Definitely excited to hear you on tone talk if you guys can make that work.
This video definitely got me looking at Friedman, and I’m really glad to know that even their budget stuff is quality. I would love to hear your take on Tone King amps
I was thinking that would be a great name for a band!
I'm kinda partial to "Cock-up Cascade."
@PsionicAudio very nice review ! You've mentioned Blackstar amps aren't true tube amps and i agree in 99% but have u tried their handwired amps (Artisan 15/30/100)? They are completely different beasts, defo worth an in-depth loo too :)
Found this channel a few weeks back and have learned so much. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with the internet.
Question: it seems like there is a pretty big delta in quality between different amps made by Boutique Amp Distribution. While you have great things to say about Friedman, it sounds like Morgan Amps are basically trash. Are these amps not made by the same people? Also curious about Tone King. I have an Imperial MKII that I love, but admittedly, I don’t know anything about it’s build and reliability. Have you come across any of those amps, and if so, what’s your verdict?
Thanks.
From what I’ve heard, BAD makes exactly what they are told to make. You give them a sample amp, they replicate it.
Beyond that I cannot speculate.
And I haven’t had every model of Morgan come in. So maybe they have good ones too. Time will tell.
well, i have a mesa single rec, as pictured in my thumb nail. it has had a repair, though i feel it has served me well for many gigs over many years. in saying that, i don't dispute your opinion of build design, they are a tech's nightmare. unfortunately, i really love the tone and function of it. however, the most important thing after an amp needing great tone is reliability, and if i were to invest in an amp again, friedman would be at the top of the list. i just can't find fault, especially the twin sister, wow.
Even thru the lav mike I know when I hear something that I find very desirable. The Freidman Runt is an amplifier that has those qualities in spades.
Way more dirty than i thought it would sound. I love it
Thanks for this review. Pretty sure not Mercury making the transformers, based on listing to many Tone Talk episodes. Looking forward to your schedules to line up to be on there.
Yeah, pretty sure it's Heyboer
@@jasonweidner3274 That sounds right. When I made the above comment I couldn't remember what he said he likes, just that he doesn't love Mercury like many others do
So Keeley suports Friedman amps. Cool.
Just this morning I was in a Runt 50 with tone controls that are acting up. There were four resistors that appeared to have "non-factory" soldering, but the amp was brand new in sealed manufacturer packaging and was purchased in person from a very well-known music dealer. One of the resistors' connections was pretty crusty and very questionable. There were also two tack-soldered connections; a piggybacked resistor, and a cap across the resistor like you found. No doubt in my mind these are tweaks done before the amps go to the dealers.
Dave Friedman replied via text that these few changes in the amp are in fact factory changes.
Thanks for this demo and review or should I say inside tips I guess maybe I’m a little late to the game. However I have been using a Marshall studio 2525C it’s the jubilee combo one by 12 for local gigs and I played one of these over at a buddies and fell in love with it, getting ready to make the trade and just wanted to take a double peek at this video again it just appears to be a better made amp and it certainly plays better the bottom and holds together better. It truly is just all around a better sounding amplifier than the jubilee and it gives me everything I need and even more Than the Marshall had to offer I’m not seeing the but I have to tell you the board did not look as good as this one not longshot nor did the soldering work so I don’t know I think the price on those in the UK was about $1000. Where is this for the combo is like 1699 and the USA the Marshall here is $2000 almost I certainly think 1699 is much more well spent on this amplifier. Thanks again great stuff here. 5:22
The square bit S2 is actually what is recommended for that type of screw.
Totally off topic, could you review a Amplified Nation amp in the future? I'd love to hear your take on their construction. Thanks.
When one comes in for repair.
Did you put the upgrade cap’s leads through the holes with the resistor’s leads?
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Regarding the 'British' chap who has a video, I think you are referring to Tony Mckenzie? He has a review of the Friedman Jerry Cantrell version of this amp? I've just watched that video and want to clarify what he actually says... He was complimentary of the amps tone and general build quality, there were a few things he was unhappy with and the fact it wasn't hardwired was not one of them!. His grumbles were... A couple of the switches were held on with gel, rather than screwed to chassis e.g. power switch. The cement resistors were soldered directly onto the board apparently these get quite hot and in his view these should be off the board. There were a couple of poorly soldered resistors that looked like they were added after the main board production. However the main thing he disliked was the fact that the JBE switch (I think this is only on the JJ model) didn't appear to do anything to the tone. His optics will be different to yours as Marshall amps are a lot cheaper in the UK compared to Friedman and you can buy a handwired amp e.g. Cornell in UK for less than this amp. He also pays for all the amps he reviews with his own money. BTW, these are his views not mine :-) I don't claim to know anything about amps and what is good/bad build quality.
Confirmational Bias can be a good thing!!!😊
Hi bud, I bought this very amp on your recommendation of Friedman amps being very good etc. It is a great amp and I like it a lot; the one thing about it that is not good is the send and return loop, which has a very noisy hissing sound, so I have stopped using this and go direct on the front panel. Also, I noticed you use the 8 impedance rather than the 16, is this because you had an external speaker attached and would you use the 16 with the original speaker? I ask about impedance because the shop that I purchased it from said to use the 16 impedance with the original speaker. Peach Guitars England. Love your channel, very useful and informative. 😉
You may have a level/mismatch with whatever you were running in the loop.
I had it on 8 ohms on my bench (8 ohm shop cab) and 16 when testing the combo speaker.