I always heard the Ophicleide was abandoned because it sounded so terrible, but really this isn't as bad as I was expecting. Is the intonation as good as a tuba or euphonium, no. But the sound is fascinating. Thanks for posting this. Great playing!
It was replaced by the tuba after it was invented. Ophicleides were used to play the lowest note in an orchestra but it does not play as low as a tuba. That's why it was abandoned.
It's such a crime that the ophicleide was allowed to lapse into near obsolescence. It is such a wonderful instrument. If I were forty years younger, make that fifty, and could play one, I would.
Every instrument has its limitations, especially the brass instruments. Overcoming those limits is the business of mastering the potential that is there. It is the business of instrument makers in modifying instruments to overcome limits without creating new ones.
The tuba was not invented as an alternative of the ophicleide, its invention was a separate line of development. The people I've known who were most enthusiastic about reviving the ophicleide have been tubists with a couple of trombone players, as well. The tuba has its own issues, one of those being that it isn't as easy to play rapid passages on as the ophicleide, as you can hear in performances. Brass instruments, especially low brass, have areas of inconsistency in various parts of their ranges. It's part of what you work with in playing or composing for those instruments that you have to either take those limits into account or you ignore them and take your chances of reduced effectiveness.
doesn't do so well in the lower end. that's really the only flaw in design. it's a quite capable and agile horn. I like it can bridge the gap in tonal quality between euph and trombones
I love this instrument! very clear and melodious in the mid to upper. brighter as you go higher and warmer in the mid, but low end is not really suited for more volume. a niche instrument. many composers loved this horn!
Craig Corson. I'M 72, AND FIND THE OPHICLEID WONDERFUL SOUNDING. EVERY INSTRUMENT HAS ITS OWN WONDERFUL SOUND. THATS WHATS SO GREAT ABOUT OUR PROFFESION.
@@kevoramma He seems quite calm to me. Are you referring to his use of ALL CAPS? A lot of older people have vision issues, and use all caps so that they can see what they have typed.
I hate holding low notes on double bass, it's so hard to have good intonation because you're pressing so hard down on the bow for the string to be loud enough because 1) its low so it requires more (something) 2) the string is really thick lol
Sounds fine enough (I like it a lot in its higher registers), but it also sounds like a royal pain in the posterior to keep in tune, for... some reason? I'd have to try it.
As incredibly interested in the ophicliede I am. I fear it may wind up like when i bought my soprano trombone, that is that i'll find zero music for it and wind up writting my own if i want to play it
Good day, I am very interested in a ophicleide! I am Brazilian and here in Brazil is not manufactured this instrument more, you know to inform a company that makes this instrument or some way where I can get some? thank you and great video. Helyson.
It's cool that this is a thing that you can buy and it's sounds great, but I'm not sure why everyone is feeling remorse over the death of Ophicleide. The fact that it's nothing like a Tuba should tell you how much composers felt compelled to have it around.
Can someone explain to me why this instrument was displaced by the tuba? Is the tuba easier to play? Does it have a bigger range? Is the ophicleide not loud enough?
the original ophicleide had problems with chromatics, were unreliable instruments, and had lots of problems which was replaced by a tuba in the mid to late 1800s but the wessex one he Is demonstrating has perfected the instrument
+Timrath This poem by a university brass student should explain things: The ophicleide, like mortal sin Was fostered by the serpent Its pitch was vague, its tone was dim Its timbre rude and burpant Composers, in a secret vote Declared its sound non grata That is why you'll never hear An ophicleide sonata Thus spurned, it soon became defunct To gross neglect succumbing A few were pawned, but most were junked Or used for indoor plumbing And so this ill wind, badly blown Has now completely vanished I nominate the heckelphone To be the next one banished Farewell, offensive ophicleide Your epitaph is chiseled: "I died of ophicleidicide I tried, alas, but fizzled!" The serpent is even worse. It's like a bassoon lodged in someone's rectum.
it's sad that technology in building back then when they were in more use held them back. it is an interesting concept, and you 'might' see one in use now, but really only in someone's collection as a curiosity. wish i could afford!
A normal tuba has a movable slide on each valve that can be pulled in or out to tune them, and a main tuning slide to pitch the entire instrument e.g. on a hot day. This by contrast very few adjustments, and circular pads, not valves.
Euplayer Noo. WHATS FUNNY IS THAT IT HAS A DISTINCTIVE SOUND, SEPARATE FROM THE BARITONE HORN OR EUPHONIUM. TO MY EAR, THERE IS ROOM FOR ALL THREE HORNS. JUST AS THERE IS FOR PISTON AND ROTARY VALVE, BAROQUE AND NATURAL TRUMPETS AND THE CORNET AND FLUGELHORN FAMILIES.
So is the real reason the Tuba replaced the Ophicleide was so all brass players had compatible fingering systems? Because this instruments sounds great otherwise.
Michael Timpson. Think about the Royal Kent(keyed) Bugle and trumpet. The finest keyed bugle player of his time was Ned Kendal. He would challenge Clarinet players to a playing duel and win. But playing these keyed instruments was difficult. That all changed with valves And Saxes Saxhorns.
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I always heard the Ophicleide was abandoned because it sounded so terrible, but really this isn't as bad as I was expecting. Is the intonation as good as a tuba or euphonium, no. But the sound is fascinating. Thanks for posting this. Great playing!
It was replaced by the tuba after it was invented. Ophicleides were used to play the lowest note in an orchestra but it does not play as low as a tuba. That's why it was abandoned.
Arundodonax it went obsolete because of the tuba and the sax
@@noacastillo9608 and because they're hell to learn to play because of the weird fingering system
@@derpysheep5872 In shape its basically a bari sax
It's such a crime that the ophicleide was allowed to lapse into near obsolescence. It is such a wonderful instrument. If I were forty years younger, make that fifty, and could play one, I would.
Anthony McCarthy Apparently it's a flawed instrument at the higher registers and inconsistent, so not reliable enough for professional orchestras.
Every instrument has its limitations, especially the brass instruments. Overcoming those limits is the business of mastering the potential that is there. It is the business of instrument makers in modifying instruments to overcome limits without creating new ones.
Anthony McCarthy They did, that's why the Tuba was invented. it's like saying improve the first aircraft but don't change the bodywork.
The tuba was not invented as an alternative of the ophicleide, its invention was a separate line of development. The people I've known who were most enthusiastic about reviving the ophicleide have been tubists with a couple of trombone players, as well. The tuba has its own issues, one of those being that it isn't as easy to play rapid passages on as the ophicleide, as you can hear in performances. Brass instruments, especially low brass, have areas of inconsistency in various parts of their ranges. It's part of what you work with in playing or composing for those instruments that you have to either take those limits into account or you ignore them and take your chances of reduced effectiveness.
..i play ophicleide or serpent when as written in part
Fun fact: This is only as big as a Euphonium, tubing-length wise
It also sounds like one
Wonderful instrument, and it's sort of a pity this voice isn't available now. The high register especially, brass power and bassoon character.
@Adrian F no sounds more like a really mellow tuba or a brass bassoon
It could be the player, but it seems that the tone keeps bouncing between Bari - sax and euphonium
doesn't do so well in the lower end. that's really the only flaw in design. it's a quite capable and agile horn. I like it can bridge the gap in tonal quality between euph and trombones
Nah more like bridges the gaps of Barisax and higher tubas. This instrument I remember is pre-tuba bass brass instrument.
Great to see you again Tony! Can you believe its 30years!
I love this instrument! very clear and melodious in the mid to upper. brighter as you go higher and warmer in the mid, but low end is not really suited for more volume. a niche instrument. many composers loved this horn!
A beautiful instrument, that I heard of for the first time - today. And I'm sixty seven years old. Needs a better press agent, I think.
Craig Corson. I'M 72, AND FIND THE OPHICLEID WONDERFUL SOUNDING. EVERY INSTRUMENT HAS ITS OWN WONDERFUL SOUND. THATS WHATS SO GREAT ABOUT OUR PROFFESION.
RICHARD GORDON Please, calm down.
@@kevoramma He seems quite calm to me. Are you referring to his use of ALL CAPS? A lot of older people have vision issues, and use all caps so that they can see what they have typed.
Sounds better than I thought it would but that is probably down to the skill of the player. Nice looking instrument and quite compact too.
any tuba players here? I'm a Bb tuba player :) and I want this SO BADLY
+Nathan Ouedraogo I play tuba too, and i literally need this
Joseph Cudahy ikr?! It's awesome!!
Me
Nathaniel soto Hey :) I'm now a CC tuba player
Same
It is the sound that I listen for the first time
Learned a bit about this instrument in my saxophone pedagogy class. It doesn't sound as bad as people said it would
It really doesn't
I am very interested in the Ophicleide and am looking into buying one within the next year and a half. Can't wait.
Beautiful sound! Congratulations!
Sounds beautiful
Nice sounding instrument! I like it!
Is there any solo music for this instrument? Concerti? Sonate? Chamber ensambles?
Love this sound
Looks like a short, brass bassoon
brassoon
Me wanty righta nowy.
holy cow this sounds like a double bass when you hold the low notes!!
I hate holding low notes on double bass, it's so hard to have good intonation because you're pressing so hard down on the bow for the string to be loud enough because 1) its low so it requires more (something) 2) the string is really thick lol
That was pretty cool!
Sounds fine enough (I like it a lot in its higher registers), but it also sounds like a royal pain in the posterior to keep in tune, for... some reason? I'd have to try it.
thank you ophecleide for giving us saxophones and NOTHING ELSE
As incredibly interested in the ophicliede I am. I fear it may wind up like when i bought my soprano trombone, that is that i'll find zero music for it and wind up writting my own if i want to play it
and for soprano trombone you would need to be able to read a trumpet part to have a variety of music just like the soprano saxophone
+Simon Westhoff yeah, but i want to use it for choirs where its really meant for, but not just penciled in y'know?
LowReedExpert1 You can use Arbans, Saint Jacomes andMax Schlossberg for Trombone on it.
Good day, I am very interested in a ophicleide! I am Brazilian and here in Brazil is not manufactured this instrument more, you know to inform a company that makes this instrument or some way where I can get some? thank you and great video. Helyson.
It's cool that this is a thing that you can buy and it's sounds great, but I'm not sure why everyone is feeling remorse over the death of Ophicleide. The fact that it's nothing like a Tuba should tell you how much composers felt compelled to have it around.
Even spookier than the bass clarinet
This feels like the even stranger brass cousin of the sarrusophone.
Can someone explain to me why this instrument was displaced by the tuba? Is the tuba easier to play? Does it have a bigger range? Is the ophicleide not loud enough?
the original ophicleide had problems with chromatics, were unreliable instruments, and had lots of problems which was replaced by a tuba in the mid to late 1800s but the wessex one he Is demonstrating has perfected the instrument
+Timrath This poem by a university brass student should explain things:
The ophicleide, like mortal sin
Was fostered by the serpent
Its pitch was vague, its tone was dim
Its timbre rude and burpant
Composers, in a secret vote
Declared its sound non grata
That is why you'll never hear
An ophicleide sonata
Thus spurned, it soon became defunct
To gross neglect succumbing
A few were pawned, but most were junked
Or used for indoor plumbing
And so this ill wind, badly blown
Has now completely vanished
I nominate the heckelphone
To be the next one banished
Farewell, offensive ophicleide
Your epitaph is chiseled:
"I died of ophicleidicide
I tried, alas, but fizzled!"
The serpent is even worse. It's like a bassoon lodged in someone's rectum.
it's sad that technology in building back then when they were in more use held them back. it is an interesting concept, and you 'might' see one in use now, but really only in someone's collection as a curiosity. wish i could afford!
yes, yes, and yes
Name of the excerpts?
Can anyone explain the physics of it being harder to keep in tune compared to modern brass??
A normal tuba has a movable slide on each valve that can be pulled in or out to tune them, and a main tuning slide to pitch the entire instrument e.g. on a hot day. This by contrast very few adjustments, and circular pads, not valves.
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The lower register sounds like a bari sax and the upper register sounds like a euphonium.
To me,it sounds like a euphonium,just that it's a keyed version.
I would love to play one of these,only if I could.
Euplayer Noo. WHATS FUNNY IS THAT IT HAS A DISTINCTIVE SOUND, SEPARATE FROM THE BARITONE HORN OR EUPHONIUM. TO MY EAR, THERE IS ROOM FOR ALL THREE HORNS. JUST AS THERE IS FOR PISTON AND ROTARY VALVE, BAROQUE AND NATURAL TRUMPETS AND THE CORNET AND FLUGELHORN FAMILIES.
@@richardgordon8110 my man all caps isn't necessary
lol were can i buy 1 XD
Nice!!
same range as TBone?
So is the real reason the Tuba replaced the Ophicleide was so all brass players had compatible fingering systems? Because this instruments sounds great otherwise.
Michael Timpson. Think about the Royal Kent(keyed) Bugle and trumpet. The finest keyed bugle player of his time was Ned Kendal. He would challenge Clarinet players to a playing duel and win. But playing these keyed instruments was difficult. That all changed with valves And Saxes Saxhorns.
I like Bassoon
IT SOUNDS RICHER THAN EITHER THE HECKELPHONE OR BASSOON.
saxophones grandad
バリサクの金管バージョンみたい！
面白い
バリサクはこれに木管のマウスピースをつけただけだからねw
Certainly more a pleasant sound than a serpent. Fuller sound, better intonation.
I'D RATHER LISTEN TO THE OPHICLEIDE THAN THE CONTRABASS SARUSOPHONE ANY DAY.
Is this a baritone saxophone?
Definitely Yes.
But it use another mouthpiece,
Has another length
Another timber
And has another name...
Horrible sound. Berlioz was right when he said ophicleide sound was a bad sound.