Hey man go for it, there is no time like the present.. like the comment above it really isn’t as hard as you think it’s going to be.. but it’s the mastering it that takes time and you can only master it by playing live blackjack in a casino (or simulated at home/with a friend to act as a real casino)
It’s really easy to learn how to count cards, it’s extremely hard to actually sit down at a legal table and get a count going. When I’m doing it it’s obvious because I have to concentrate so hard on every card and the count
Bruh Asian Andy how are you my man? Haven’t been watching you much but I did all the time in high school, your love streams and all. Hope you’re doing well. Funny seeing you here haha
I don't frequent casinos and only play online from time to time when drinking with friends. I view it as affordable fun, but I appreciate the resources here so I can at least feel like I'm limiting my entertainment costs. I've been using your basic strategy and card counting trainers and working on my own trainer as a little side project. Writing some code to play basic strategy in a human way actually helped solidify the rules in my mind a bit more.
If we're thinking about online casino's, why even learn to count cards? Just let a computer program count the cards for you right? I don't think the online casino's would make any money if they had fair rules from just this fact alone.
I like to idle in a room sometimes and just use it as a practice drill in the lead up to a real casino visit. I don't bet and I get booted from the room often for idling but it still gives me the practice. I find that even though it's slower than drilling with software the process is more casino like than using a BJ drill app.
Colin!! I literally have only watched your vids telling myself I'd never be able to do this. I do gamble from time to time, and today I got pulled to the side for them to tell me that they know I'm counting and they wont tolerate it. I don't even know how to count 🤣 So now I will be looking into classes. I bet on loss/win ratios. But now ik determined to be an advantage player.
Colin I am a member of BJA and avid online blackjack player. I got my start in blackjack online and it led me to you and BJA. I do know some online sites that have decent penetration and rules. The thing that stings the most with live dealer BJ is the rounds per hour as the dealers are pretty mediocre at best it creates very inconsistent rounds per hour. I would be glad to share some of the casinos with you as well as screen shots for example.
I've worked as a blackjack dealer in a live casino, and while I've never been aware of anyone card counting, I presume someone must have at some point. Catching card counters are not my responsibility, as a computer would do it much better.
Do you ever feel like your working for scammers as the house always wins (99.9% of the time) or do you just see it as their problem. Not tryna criticise you in anyway if it seems like i am, just curious to know.
@@SLaYDaRtH I don't feel like I work (or worked) for scammers because I'm not scamming anyone. The house always has an edge in blackjack and any other casino game, and everyone knows this (in blackjack the edge is very little when you follow the book/strategy, though). The casino is there to make money, while also offering the *possibility* for people to earn some. At my tables (both roulette and blackjack) I've rarely been accused of rigging the games. But I can assure all my players that there's no hidden mechanism in play. We have very strict rules set by the company and regulatory body to ensure transparency.
@@larsiparsii im aware dealers dont rig games and that people gambling should be aware as its common sense house has odds heacily favoured to them. Thank you for the reply very insightful!
Collen, I 100% agree with you on what you sad i would also add in: Online gambling/casinos are evil and for suckers. They are unregulated and the games can be simply fixed to increase the house advantage. Blackjack is a good example. The more 10 cards they remove from the decks the more the house advantage increases. Additionally, almost all videos depict players with casino compted or fake money. The players get to keep a small portion of the compted maney as compensation for advertising the casino. They also get a revenue stream from each click on their casino link that signs-up a new sucker. The bottom line in that online casinos are scams.
I have played at live dealer online casino before it became illegal in my area( Maine). Rules were blackjack paid 3:2, dealer standing on all 17s, split up to 4 times, double after split allowed, re-split aces, and 95% deck penetration. This was about 10 to 15 years ago though so I’m sure that they changed their rules to benefit themselves. Side note: it took 2-4 weeks to get your money and this casino was based out of Macau 🇲🇴.
It's not groundbreaking top secret info AND casinos LOVE people THINKING they can count cards. It takes a lot of memory and practice and concentration in a live environment (other punters don't keep quiet for you). Also you have to hide the fact you're counting or casinos WILL ban you immediately nationwide - your picture on a blacklist for life. Done RIGHT a card counter can win but he/she is always aware that there can be a tap on the shoulder at any moment ending their career. And that's just YOUR actions. You may be living the dream until some idiot beside you at the table just happens to blurt out something about card counting - blowing your cover. What do you do in a HIGHLY advantage situation DEEP into the shoe - Max bet every hand until the shuffle (like you should, and you've waited ALL night for such a shoe) or cash in your chips and protect your career. Either way looks suspicious to the casino on the hunt for counters and your risk of that shoulder tap just sky-rocketed - don't forget no matter what you do they have all your footage on camera leading up to that. Security? Review this guy's play for the past 7 hours - think we've got a counter.
The one available in my jurisdiction has the following: 8-deck shoe No resplit or DAS Only one card dealt to a split Ace ~50% deck penetration Stand on soft 17 No surrender
It's interesting to talk about deck penetration factor when applying card counting in online live blackjack tables.. I have seen them shuffle 8 decks together , splitting them within the shoe as 2 x 4 decks, and again reshuffle..
I tried it , 50% of the cards are used in 8 decks, only one split allowed stand soft 17, surrender is available. Not the worst but with 50% only used no thanks.
I've been using online blackjack just to practice card counting. I don't bet much and don't use it to make a lot of money. I like using the online casino because it's more of a challenge to me. Helps also when going to a real casino because you expect it to be just as difficult as the online one but doesn't usually end up that way.
The place I work at, the rules are these: BlackJack payout 3:2 8 deck shoe Shuffled by shuffler, but it depends on the area where the cutting card is put in. Some areas split 4:4 decks, some 6:2 Speed, idk if it is normal, but on my 30 minutes at the table, I have changed shoe twice, maybe even 3 times. I deal pretty fast though.
Please do a video exploring how bricks/mortar casinos in Vegas have abandoned the 3/2 payout in favor of 6/5, and also hitting on soft 17 instead of standing. How have these widespread rules changes affected card counting, and affected blackjack in general?
Online beatable Blackjack is WAAY too good to be true. If it were possible to win, I'd just set up a Blackjack bot with PERFECT basic strategy and a true count tracker and just leave my desk for it to farm. But anyone who's been on Earth for more than 24 hours knows that that AIN'T happening :p
Online casinos should count the cards for you since they scan every card that's dealt. Then show the running count for all to see. That extra feature would help compete with actual casinos. The offsetting feature is only 4 deck penetration.
@@leohsi2663 the app I use just shows the true count within their simulated game. Just make sure you’re searching for true RNG and true count options. I’ll see if I can find the GitHub package someone made. Moot point for me bc my state legalized table game cheating for Casinos. The dealers can choose to pull the 1st or 2nd card with a mirror and they brought in eshufflers that can be stack the deck based on the amount of players at the table. It’s disgusting.
I remember playing online and decided to try counting. There were 8 decks available but the casino only used 5 and then changed thw shew. I remember the running count being at -10 and the true count around at -6. I stoped playing and then the dealer dealt 2 straight BJ and 2 stragiht 20 to the players. The running count went to -18 with a real count of -18 as well. That was either lucky or card counting doesn't work in online casinos. Needless to say, never play BJ at tables where alla the players ara given the same 1 hand.
I constantly profit on online blackjack where the players all get the same hand . Just go $1 minimum table and bet low like $10 on the blackjack and $2 on side bets. Over time if you are a good player u will win pretty easily, other players can hit the same hand but you can stand so still easy to win if you know your deviations
@@milanis7a Side bets are worth it in some games in certain situations. Like I played a BJ game where a $5 side bet would allow you to spin a wheel of fortune if you got a blackjack where the minimum amount to win is $50. I'm sure in a game like that, if you're counting then you might be able to take advantage of that.
@@milanis7a I'm just saying, in the game that I was explaining, if you are counting cards and you have a reason to expect more face cards to come up then you might be able to take some calculated side bets to win extra money on the wheel of fortune. 29 palms casino in California, idk if they still do that but it was fun and exhilarating. I wish I knew what I was doing when I was there haha
A big reason you could say now is the best time to make money at blackjack, than the "old days" is, there are more casinos now than any time in history. And more keep opening.
The 1 benefit of online is you can technically play more than one at a time (with great difficulty) and you can use paper or a recording to make no mistakes
some games are very fast online but depends on the dealer. you can go to a private table also if you have the bankroll and it seems like they go pretty deep into the deck there
I remember watching an MIT documentary... I'm sure there was a Russian student there who went on to teach CC. What amazed me - was not the system they were implementing (fantastic as it was), but the methods casinos were using to stop them. A facial recognition programme was one of them (Phoenix and/or Griffin/Griffiths rings a bell)!!!! My goodness, I was thinking. The security mentioned how they caught one of those MIT students dressed as a woman when he was a man. The Russian guy turning up as an 'arms dealer' signals between teams for one to hop off the table and someone else jumps in.... yes it would fantastic to know this, but there is no way I am going to. Best of luck to all that do this and fingers crossed that it is not a baseball bat to greet you outside
You didn't account for the possibility of running multiple concurrent sessions. Expected revenue could be halved with your analysis of comparative conditions, but if you run four concurrent sessions it can be nearly doubled
I lived off black jack for about 2 years. It's not an easy life with the bankroll I had.(20k) I only had 2 casinos near enough to travel to on a daily basis. After being escorted out of my favorite spot I lost interest and just petered out. Good luck! It's doable but not as easy as people think it is! The key = a HUGE bankroll
As a beginner I think online live dealers are great… it’s a lot slower, giving you as much time as you need to count and not make a mistake. Yeah you’re only making 10-20 an hour. But for someone that’s new to counting and can’t get to a casino as often as one would want, it’s a great learning experience.
Except you're making $10-20 an hour with a $250k bankroll. Most of the people don't have this much money in first place, let alone gamble it in online casino. You can as well play with virtual money for a "learning experience", online casinos are a waste of time and money
Ive been playing online blackjack recently just because the closest Casino to me that is 18+ is an hour away i went from $200 to $500 last night and i called it quits while im up i played about for 2 hours. Ive been waiting for an online casino review from you but in my own experience i believe its very hard to win online because you only play half the cards available. Or maybe to me it seems harder because ive been using it to practice my basic strategy because i just started to get into blackjack.
I watch many streamers that gambling online and play it by myself too, it's almost impossible to count card online because they will cut the shoes in half or even worse than half. When you play bj online, you can only trust in the heart of the card.
Been watching you since 2016 on and off and your the best in the business👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼 I’m looking to switch up my system from high lo to ko. Wanted to ask if you could make a vid teaching the ko system. There’s plenty of info online and I know it but getting your insight has always been beneficial for me👍🏼
So I’ve plaid online blackjack for about the last 2 months…. Everything seems to be the exact same as in person, but you can’t surrender, the usually go about 3 decks? Maybe? They switch out dealers like every 30-45 min. And some dealers are slow while others are really skilled dealers. Now I know you didn’t ask, but some of the dealers do a great job making it feel like in person BJ, and those dealers I tend to win most with. I find it a little bit easier to literally predict a high vs low card based off watching 2 rounds, and playing 2… I don’t count, I want to learn, but I think the fact that maybe the amount of cards shown before shuffle being less than a real casino makes it less likely to guess a low when a high is coming. Another weird thing I’ve noticed is that a majority of the time, if you hit and are given an ace, there’s a high chance of a low card coming after. Lol just what I’ve seen from playing daily for a couple months! One major plus is that you can play 5 dollar hands and make 25 last over a span of week. It’s too convenient, but I use it for training for a real casino trip I plan in the future ;)
3-2 blackjack payout, dealer stands 17 and soft 17. Downside- about half deck penetration every shuffle and they never varied from it. No re-splits, no doubling after a hit.
I deal black jack online I dealt at brick and mortar casinos for years. I made the switch. I can tell you a lot and I have some information that will really wake you up.
Hey Colin (or any other AP with more experience than me😀), I have a question on rounding and flooring during TC conversion. Basically, what I'm asking is: isn't it overly conservative to both floor the number of decks in the discard tray (=round up the number of remaining decks/the denominator) and also floor the true count, as you are constantly underestimating the true TC? For a more detailed explanation what I mean: There are two processes of rounding involved: rounding the number of remaining decks (let's say to the nearest integer for simplicity) to find the denominator and rounding the quotient (RC/decks) to get an integer for the TC. For the second step, you always round down (floor the quotient), i.e. with 3 decks remaining a RC of 8 gives a TC of 2 and a RC of -1 gives a TC of -1. But what about the other rounding process? Let's say the RC is 8 again. If there are 1.9 decks in the discard tray in a 6 deck shoe game, there are 4.1 decks left to play. Do you really round that up to 5 decks left or rather down to 4 decks left? In another video on TC conversion, I remember you said something like "there aren't 2 decks in the discard tray yet, so you still divide by 5". Don't you want to get closest to the true TC, in this case 8/4.1=1.95, to choose betting size and playing deviations? If you work with 4 decks remaining, you would get 8/4=2, and with 5 decks remaining, you get 8/5=1 (after flooring), but the estimated 2 is closer to the true TC, so 4 decks remaining is the better estimate. In this case you would take a little more risk as the true TC is not yet exactly 2, but if you bet like you still hadn't the advantage (as a TC of 1) you may also lose some of the advantage/some EV. Also: what do you do if there are 4.5 decks in the discard tray/1.5 decks left, at a RC of say 6. Using half deck estimates you'd find a true TC of 4, but you can get estimates of 3 and 6, depending whether you round the number of remaining decks up to 2 or down to 1. So the way one rounds the denominator has huge influence on the playing decision. (In this example, you could argue that's why you should learn how to divide by half decks in the second half of the shoe, but I could then construct the question in a way that I ask whether to round your quarter decks up or down. The difference would be smaller, not TC= 3 or 6 like above, but the question is still there.)
Sorry for the overly long question, not even related to today's video. Just wanted to say the video is great, as always of course! And thanks if you or someone else bothers to read or even answer this. It's just a kind of important detail I often stumble upon during practice recently.
Very good question. I think you're on the right track for thinking about this that deeply. Like the previous comment answered, maybe a customized bet between your given spreads for the 2-3 true count range let's say. You could always round up to the more precise true counts where you see fit, just remember that going with the bigger bets then, it will put u at a higher risk of negative swings, just as it would increase your EV. So remember to resize your bet sizes if the negative side of variance is hitting hard. If you are very disciplined with your approach I think you could maximize the EV with this as you say. Just be aware of how it will also effect the down swings.
@@m1j4s Thanks for the detailed explanation, I wasn't completely sure what the previous comment exactly meant with custom betting. I think I get it now and see the risk/reward aspects.
Because of my job status I cannot visit offline casino lol.... Tried the perfect basic strategy plus side bets and I started from 70 bucks and end up earning over 4k NZD, now waiting for the payment coming in now.... But will try to advance my counts and get to the states to play.
Actually i used to play some of my sports bet winnings in online blackjack. First i just kept looking at the current shoe whilst typing every card in a card counting app so i get to see the current count. It was at Tipico online casino and the cutting cards were somewhere around the middle, so most often they dealt like 4-5 decks before reshuffling. I just listened to music and kept following the card count and if it happened to be a true +2 or higher i grabbed a seat at the table. It is true that since they deal only about the half shoe, even if the count is raised, you dont get to abuse it properly. But i remember one time i was playing with a true count of +5 or even +6 and i remember my app told me to split my 10s and not hit my 15 and stuff that is not normal in basic strategy. In this one exception of a really high count it worked nuts. I believe from 20€ i made it to 120€ in a few hands or so. But generally speaking it sometimes was also just a waste of time and the true count sometimes never went above a true +1 for example. But sometimes it did work out. This was all back in 2016/17, now online casinos got banned in germany anyway so i couldnt try it again, but i dont really want to anyway. This was kind of fun when i was at university and younger, now i dont really want to gamble anymore, i just put a tiny little bit of money for some sports betting on the side, but by far not as much as i did back then when i was a student :p
@@bjjjunkie0821 I cannot remember the exact name, it was on android and the icon was a black spades symbol. I’m sure there exist hundreds of apps like this if you search for it.
Here's one thing about online blackjack that I think is interesting that this video doesn't touch on. Rather than being able to do a hi-lo count, when it comes to online blackjack, you can literally track every single card (rainman style). I wonder if there's a system for when you can literally track every single card that remains in the shoe. Such as how many 4s, 5s, 6s are left, and in fact, you can get a perfect count on what the deck penetration is. You can know down to the exact number, how many cards are left in that shoe.
There are two more points about online casinos that change the math a lot: a) You can have the most insane bet spreads. Just let other people play until your +EV then sit at every open hand playing table limit - they dont care b) The high limit tables will have the pit boss walk over and replace the shoe at a good enough count. I litterally saw one that was spot on a true +6 shuffled every single shoe. The house is litterally counting cards back.
Hey Guys! Have you heard that you can actually make money through Online Blackjack if you do it with couple of your friends and you ”Snipe the tables” What i mean by that you have friends in your Discord example and your friends Are counting different tables, and when One of your friends has +1 TR or higher in his table then all you enter the table and play positive EV Rounds and just continue doing that with right bet spread and bank management you can make money!
My problem is that I live in germany and here in the EU we actually dont have many casinos at all and the few we have you have to drive to and like 85% use CSMs. I basically cant play Blackjack without flying to the US
Question: Wouldn't one potential benefit is that rather than using the traditional counting methods, instead keep track of exact cards and let a computer tell you more precisely your edge and also possible playing deviations? No estimating deck penetration as you would have an exact count.
ONE major thing that i noticed right away and really really sucks, is that when the dealer has a backdoor black jack the game still goes on no matter what you get you still end up losing.... including splits and double downs even if you get to 21 you still lose
If it helps and if it is interesting I could share information on how to increase profit by 1-2% on betting volumes when betting against online casinos but still it is hard to beat bad rules and deck penetration... Casinos does not like to spend money on winning players and can close your player's account which is terrible behaviour from them!
Well factor in no hotel costs, no fuel or car costs, no time spent on the road, and no back offs. No time limits, and it's there whenever you want it, and there's usually multiple tables. If you can count multiple tables at the same time or have a team...
I was counting the other day on my phone using pen and paper got and the first shoe had a running 13/ true 3 and I turned $25 to $150 by the end of the shoe. But I got lucky and didn’t even feel like wasting my time waiting for a shoe to get that hot again. This was in PA so I get surrender and 3/2 in all my games by law
Hi Colin, May I request to have more of this online casino please and if you can also make a video for other sort of online games like roulettes, bingo's etc in online casino? As we all know this is more in demand right now during and after pandemic so I want to know your thoughts on this and if you can give an advice to people like me. Thanks in advance, I am really happy that I found your YT page.😀
Collin what do you think about "playing bank" that California card rooms allow where the players can be the "dealer" for a nominal table fee, (based on the amount wagered from $4-$16 max) it's the closest to "being the house" without owning a gaming license you can get?
I count cards all the time no matter where I am... online or live. It's so simple!!! Number of decks in shoe (dealer will even tell you) X 52 = Total number of cards. Then take 1 away for every card the dealer deals. BOOM! Card counting made easy! Never get backed off either!! Cheers, VT
I've done it under 6 decks a few times and most of the times the card counting was pretty easy to win money, lost my stack in like 1 time out of 15 times. I would recommend it when you have shoe and at least 6 decks and shuffling on at least after 4 decks, its as easy as in the casino, in fact, even easier. The only issue with online blackjack is: time, you take more time and the players too so less rounds per hour. Rules: 6 decks, 50% penetration, DAS, Stands on Soft 17, no re-spliting, split aces only gives 1 card.
Hi I've never actually played blackjack but the concepts and math behind finding an edge fascinates me I wanted to ask on online tables can you spectate and count cards and then choose to sit and bet when the odds are in your favour (of course if you done this at a real casino it would be suspious) also because you are in the comfort of your own home cant you feasibly input the specific cards that come up in some sort of an odds calculator which will give you more accurate odds than the basic strategy in your head? sorry if any of these questions sounded naïve as I have never actually played however do understand the theory behind it to an extent as well as hearing many anecdotes
@@gsafi3729 You can't sit long without playing, however you can make like 3 or 4 rounds of sit back and 1 bet just to show that u are alive and not counting cards when you actually are. About the software, I don't think you need a software, just a paper and pen and you can literally count every round with help, no issue at all.
The biggest deal breaker is that they can refuse to payout when they suspect you of being an advantaged player since it's really easy for a computer to detect. Which is probably why that article written by the casino encourages you to do it. The game will flag you early on and still let you play, then only notify you when trying to cash out.
@@nagmus887 nah, they can refuse players a seat at the table, but refusing to pay somebody out is actual robbery, I don't see how it could be legal in any US state.
@@C00LI0DUDE hehehehe. Watch other videos. A youtuber who count cards didnt get paid bec he is counting cards. Go to steven bridges and see how casinos refused to pay him out UNLESS he provides i.d. hehehe.
i worked as an online croupier, its hard to count if you ask me.. 8 decks, 4 penetrations, and they get replaced by a fresh shoe. Nah, not feasible I recon, at least not with Unibet. And yes, they can basically do whatever they want. You basically pay to play the game, the profits are nothing but a "good deed".
Random questions here. What are the limits to this? What I mean by that is at what point would it be unrealistic to scale it any further. Whether that be table limits or too much heat holding you back from growing your account more exponentially. For instance, he mentions how much he made on the church team, so why not scale that 4 million up to 10, to 20? What holds them back from that, and what are the upper limits that one guy could do?
Online blackjack tho, you can play multiple tables at once, and we have software where automatically counts for us and tells us what to bet. The software also has knowlege of stretagies for all counts.
I won huge on side bets got tripple 7s my first hand last night. I put 100 bucks on hot 3, 21 plus 3, and pairs. i got the 100 times on pairs and hot 3, And a tikes 25!! Suited triple 7s are my favorite.
Collin is this very rare; 4 hands all dealt a pair w/dealers up card a 4, split all 4 hands & dealer's hole card was 4, (10 cards 5 pairs) dealer hits 5 to make 13 & busted w/face card. Was lucky they let me take this pix. when hand dealt but the guy didn't want to push his luck w/the eye in the sky to allow post hand payoff pix. ps. Avatar image is the actual hand.
If they don't go through a decent amount of a set quantity of cards, you are screwed as a counter. In Vegas, they have perpetual shuffling machines that will create a neverending shoe that can not be counted. No sense even trying. As long as the deck is fixed, you can count it and win. The moment that the deck/shoe becomes an unknown quantity, it's over.
Counting online is not going to be profitable BUT there are a few minor things worth mentioning. It may actually be beneficial for those NEW to card counting and I say this for multiple reasons: A) You don't have the pressure of having people, cameras, pit bosses, looking at you. No loud screaming, drunken banter from the guy sitting at 2nd base, etc. B) The cards are left on the table for the entire hand, so newbies don't have to "guess" about what the guy next to him had because he didn't see and that guy busted. I personally might play an hour or two online if I'm a bit "rusty" and haven't played in a year and am before I go to Vegas/AC. Not to actually count to have an edge, but just to make sure my ADHD brain can still do it. As for rules, no they aren't *great* but I'll take them over the Strip. 3:2 $10 min, Surrender available, DAS, dealer stands on all 17s. Really honestly the rules might even be considered "above average" considering what trash games are out there in the real world. Now the penetration is horrible (maybe 50% if lucky) which counteracts the counting. I have had some okay TCs but it takes the first two hands being all trash to accomplish that, and even then you're lucky to MAYBE get 3 hands in if the table is fairly empty. As far as rounds per hour, I completely disagree with the notion that it's slower than the real world. I would put it on par if not quicker. there's no waiting for people coloring up, or waiting on the 21 year old decide for 7 minutes if he should split his 10s, or for the pit boss to check change, or for the drunk guy to fumble around to look for a $1 to tip the waitress only to knock over his drink and now we gotta wait for the table to get cleaned. Now the rounds per hour MAY go down online if the table is full but overall id say they equal out. Most of the time online they have someone shuffling the used shoe as soon as the cut card is out and the hand is over. Maybe 1 out of 20 you may have to wait for a shuffle, and it's usually at really crazy late or early hours.
I was playing on PokerStars and didn't make much but I also did come home with a solid profit 50% deck penetration 10$ min bet 3:2 blackjack Approximately 70 rounds per hour Stand soft 17
To clarify I was playing recreationally keeping track of the count with software and had a basic strategy chart in front of me I know ill probably lose over time but this limits my losses for now and drills basic strategy into my head
What about card tracking in shuffles? Also how about only betting in high counts, as you don’t have to play while watching a table? I feel like this could be quite profitable.
I once found an online game with a super deep cut and ended up counting them. Got a massive profit from that shoe. Unfortunately, it's better than CSM here at casinos in Aus I think...? Even live casinos are banned in Aus :( I'm trying to figure out a way, surely there is some math to count CSMs... 🤔 Please figure out the math for us... 🤣
I have played some blackjack online and I see 2 big advantages. 1: you do not need to memorize the charts with basic strategy and the other charts. 2: if you are a smart you could use your computer to cheat
Only downside is you never get to really use the count to its full potential as you can never get past 50% of the deck. I wonder why they do this? I mean if they wanted to, they could just use a reshuffler (which some do) so not sure why they change the game for when it’s online.
I mess with fanduel. I think they go thru majority of the decks. The rules aren’t bad. The bad part is the 50 people playing and taking hits and splitting when it’s not necessary. The game is ok. The players make it horrible. Also the dealers will slow roll like I’ve never seen before. Drives me nuts
Don't think I agree with any of the comments below. Continuous shoe can't be beat by counting. And, if you're playing for money, the online bet spread is garbage. However, if you play long enough, there are algorithms that you can largely figure out. I play two popular online casinos (not for money) and my combined winnings are $26B. I don't pay to play either.
I play alot online. You need to go hard and heavy, the side bets can save you alot of flak. Alot playing up to 3 hands at a time allows more deck control. I've also learned to hunt shoes that are deep already and be ready to move to the next table. Also always play at crypto casinos. Alot of them backbone evolution casino.
We don't all have a live casino with live dealer so i was expecting that we could count on online casino.. but first i need to rewatch the video of true count cause i haven't understand the real advantages to use that and when we supposed to use it
Casino I played edge was 0.7 %, 8 deck game reshuffle in half. It was do-able but probably should make really big bet multipliers if it make sense to be worth yr time
If card counting isn't illegal but casinos frown on people that do it and if the card counters gets caught, why then do the casinos usually ban that player for life?
I’ve tried online blackjack when I first started counting... 6 decks, dealer hits on soft seventeen, but they would shuffle the deck once they went through three decks... was terrible. Also it’s very slow
I'm not a card counter as i couldn't pass grade 10 math , nor do I play blackjack that often, however just curious as to why wouldn't casino's ALWAYS use short deck penetration to combat card counting?
Shuffling takes time, time spent shuffling is time that non-advantaged players won’t be loosing money. As the vast majority of players aren’t advantaged its a balancing act. If you’re shuffling every 2 decks and doing that across all your tables at all your locations that adds up really fast
Even worse. Some cheat by sliding up the first card to pick up the second if the first is an ace, to save for the dealer Blackjack. Some don't use full decks, using less face cards. And some add in extra trash cards. Most people don't notice because you need to be counting every suit to keep track of it.
I feel like you could you sue a casino if you got mathematical proof that the deck was rigged. Like 10-100k hands would give you very solid proof if even just a couple of cards were changed.
Hi Colin, for practicing counting, is using free-to-play blackjack a good way to practice the strategies of counting? If so, do you have any recommendations as to what app?
Short answer: YOU CAN, I DID IT, IT WORKS! Pros: you can just use a free card counting app. Cons: Yes, returns are lower... Best games to count: Free bet BJ and Infinite BJ by Evolution Gaming. You can do wonging the whole time.
Learning to count cards is on my bucket list. This is the best channel to learn, hands down.
Takes 10 minutes to learn. Takes years to master.
Hey man go for it, there is no time like the present.. like the comment above it really isn’t as hard as you think it’s going to be.. but it’s the mastering it that takes time and you can only master it by playing live blackjack in a casino (or simulated at home/with a friend to act as a real casino)
Learn it, but don't get into it unless you have at least $50K to start.
Hands up fool
It’s really easy to learn how to count cards, it’s extremely hard to actually sit down at a legal table and get a count going. When I’m doing it it’s obvious because I have to concentrate so hard on every card and the count
No multiple splits, no split into doubles, and no peak on 10's, they cut the deck at 50% mark.
Yo overweight funny man
thats true tho
damn wouldn't expect to find you in this comment section
Bruh Asian Andy how are you my man? Haven’t been watching you much but I did all the time in high school, your love streams and all. Hope you’re doing well.
Funny seeing you here haha
true
Ever since the movie 21 came out when I was young I can't forget about card counting. Thank you for the knowledge sir 🙏
Thought I was the only one can't stop think about the movie while watching these vids
You should try the book on the real life team,i think its called breaking vegas:)
@@thomasmckeen2344I think it was the book Bringing Down the House
I don't frequent casinos and only play online from time to time when drinking with friends. I view it as affordable fun, but I appreciate the resources here so I can at least feel like I'm limiting my entertainment costs. I've been using your basic strategy and card counting trainers and working on my own trainer as a little side project. Writing some code to play basic strategy in a human way actually helped solidify the rules in my mind a bit more.
If we're thinking about online casino's, why even learn to count cards? Just let a computer program count the cards for you right? I don't think the online casino's would make any money if they had fair rules from just this fact alone.
Yeah, and it could just be the same in person
Where do you find these computer programmes?
@@MrBollocks10 would be a trivial program to write as long as you have all the numbers.
@@GT_177 Can you do it.
I'll buy it.
Proper money.
Why does casinos have an apostrophe?
I like to idle in a room sometimes and just use it as a practice drill in the lead up to a real casino visit. I don't bet and I get booted from the room often for idling but it still gives me the practice. I find that even though it's slower than drilling with software the process is more casino like than using a BJ drill app.
there are alot of youtube videos with hour+ compilations of blackjack games, really useful too
Colin!! I literally have only watched your vids telling myself I'd never be able to do this. I do gamble from time to time, and today I got pulled to the side for them to tell me that they know I'm counting and they wont tolerate it. I don't even know how to count 🤣 So now I will be looking into classes.
I bet on loss/win ratios. But now ik determined to be an advantage player.
How'd it go
Colin I am a member of BJA and avid online blackjack player. I got my start in blackjack online and it led me to you and BJA. I do know some online sites that have decent penetration and rules. The thing that stings the most with live dealer BJ is the rounds per hour as the dealers are pretty mediocre at best it creates very inconsistent rounds per hour. I would be glad to share some of the casinos with you as well as screen shots for example.
Does it works in online casinos, how much money do You need
i would wanna see that
I've worked as a blackjack dealer in a live casino, and while I've never been aware of anyone card counting, I presume someone must have at some point. Catching card counters are not my responsibility, as a computer would do it much better.
Do you ever feel like your working for scammers as the house always wins (99.9% of the time) or do you just see it as their problem. Not tryna criticise you in anyway if it seems like i am, just curious to know.
@@SLaYDaRtH I don't feel like I work (or worked) for scammers because I'm not scamming anyone. The house always has an edge in blackjack and any other casino game, and everyone knows this (in blackjack the edge is very little when you follow the book/strategy, though).
The casino is there to make money, while also offering the *possibility* for people to earn some. At my tables (both roulette and blackjack) I've rarely been accused of rigging the games. But I can assure all my players that there's no hidden mechanism in play. We have very strict rules set by the company and regulatory body to ensure transparency.
@@larsiparsii im aware dealers dont rig games and that people gambling should be aware as its common sense house has odds heacily favoured to them. Thank you for the reply very insightful!
@@SLaYDaRtH No problem at all! :) Feel free to ask me anything!
@@larsiparsii 8 decks is the standard for online blackjack? Have you heard/seen anyone getting banned for counting cards?
Collen, I 100% agree with you on what you sad i would also add in:
Online gambling/casinos are evil and for suckers. They are unregulated and the games can be simply fixed to increase the house advantage. Blackjack is a good example. The more 10 cards they remove from the decks the more the house advantage increases. Additionally, almost all videos depict players with casino compted or fake money. The players get to keep a small portion of the compted maney as compensation for advertising the casino. They also get a revenue stream from each click on their casino link that signs-up a new sucker. The bottom line in that online casinos are scams.
I have played at live dealer online casino before it became illegal in my area( Maine). Rules were blackjack paid 3:2, dealer standing on all 17s, split up to 4 times, double after split allowed, re-split aces, and 95% deck penetration. This was about 10 to 15 years ago though so I’m sure that they changed their rules to benefit themselves.
Side note: it took 2-4 weeks to get your money and this casino was based out of Macau 🇲🇴.
Michigan online casino i play at has the same rules. The legal US ones are fairly good to play in general.
Wow I would've become a billionaire if this still existed...
online blackjack 10 to 15 years ago??? How would that be possible my guy?
@@Andreiux brother....10 years ago was 2012-2014
I'm surprised no casinos have tried getting this guys channel taken down 😂
It's not groundbreaking top secret info AND casinos LOVE people THINKING they can count cards. It takes a lot of memory and practice and concentration in a live environment (other punters don't keep quiet for you). Also you have to hide the fact you're counting or casinos WILL ban you immediately nationwide - your picture on a blacklist for life.
Done RIGHT a card counter can win but he/she is always aware that there can be a tap on the shoulder at any moment ending their career.
And that's just YOUR actions. You may be living the dream until some idiot beside you at the table just happens to blurt out something about card counting - blowing your cover. What do you do in a HIGHLY advantage situation DEEP into the shoe - Max bet every hand until the shuffle (like you should, and you've waited ALL night for such a shoe) or cash in your chips and protect your career. Either way looks suspicious to the casino on the hunt for counters and your risk of that shoulder tap just sky-rocketed - don't forget no matter what you do they have all your footage on camera leading up to that.
Security? Review this guy's play for the past 7 hours - think we've got a counter.
The one available in my jurisdiction has the following:
8-deck shoe
No resplit or DAS
Only one card dealt to a split Ace
~50% deck penetration
Stand on soft 17
No surrender
Not the worst rules but the deck penetration wouldn’t even be worth your time anyway
Disgusting! Would deff stay away.
It's interesting to talk about deck penetration factor when applying card counting in online live blackjack tables.. I have seen them shuffle 8 decks together , splitting them within the shoe as 2 x 4 decks, and again reshuffle..
you ever play online BJ?
I tried it , 50% of the cards are used in 8 decks, only one split allowed stand soft 17, surrender is available. Not the worst but with 50% only used no thanks.
So if only 50% of the cards are used, there's no point in learning card counting ?
I've been using online blackjack just to practice card counting. I don't bet much and don't use it to make a lot of money. I like using the online casino because it's more of a challenge to me. Helps also when going to a real casino because you expect it to be just as difficult as the online one but doesn't usually end up that way.
How much would you spend (or win ;)) on a session? How many hours would you play?
The place I work at, the rules are these:
BlackJack payout 3:2
8 deck shoe
Shuffled by shuffler, but it depends on the area where the cutting card is put in. Some areas split 4:4 decks, some 6:2
Speed, idk if it is normal, but on my 30 minutes at the table, I have changed shoe twice, maybe even 3 times. I deal pretty fast though.
I know a dealer called Anthony who listens/learns acoustic guitar Tool covers
8 decks are tough to win at?
Please do a video exploring how bricks/mortar casinos in Vegas have abandoned the 3/2 payout in favor of 6/5, and also hitting on soft 17 instead of standing. How have these widespread rules changes affected card counting, and affected blackjack in general?
Never play 6:5 bj, they have made a vid about it already
Online beatable Blackjack is WAAY too good to be true. If it were possible to win, I'd just set up a Blackjack bot with PERFECT basic strategy and a true count tracker and just leave my desk for it to farm. But anyone who's been on Earth for more than 24 hours knows that that AIN'T happening :p
Yeah that it what I was thinking about xD, imagine if it worked. Would be an interesting youtube video
@@warbananas6858 it does work. It's just against the ToS of casinos.
@@ypsilondaone no they want you to THINK it works then they take your money
@@warbananas6858 okay man, whatever.
Who has been to earth for more than 24 hours😂
Online casinos should count the cards for you since they scan every card that's dealt. Then show the running count for all to see. That extra feature would help compete with actual casinos. The offsetting feature is only 4 deck penetration.
There are apps that do that
@@HelpMe_OrNot what’s it called?
@@-choppy pretty much any blackjack app has an option for you to win/pay for a true counter option on the side of the screen
@@HelpMe_OrNotcan you tell any one? I can't find one
@@leohsi2663 the app I use just shows the true count within their simulated game. Just make sure you’re searching for true RNG and true count options. I’ll see if I can find the GitHub package someone made. Moot point for me bc my state legalized table game cheating for Casinos. The dealers can choose to pull the 1st or 2nd card with a mirror and they brought in eshufflers that can be stack the deck based on the amount of players at the table. It’s disgusting.
I remember playing online and decided to try counting. There were 8 decks available but the casino only used 5 and then changed thw shew. I remember the running count being at -10 and the true count around at -6. I stoped playing and then the dealer dealt 2 straight BJ and 2 stragiht 20 to the players. The running count went to -18 with a real count of -18 as well. That was either lucky or card counting doesn't work in online casinos. Needless to say, never play BJ at tables where alla the players ara given the same 1 hand.
I constantly profit on online blackjack where the players all get the same hand . Just go $1 minimum table and bet low like $10 on the blackjack and $2 on side bets. Over time if you are a good player u will win pretty easily, other players can hit the same hand but you can stand so still easy to win if you know your deviations
@@No1reallydies Side bets are like giving money to the casino... so if you are playing this way you are profitable only thank to variance!
@@milanis7a Side bets are worth it in some games in certain situations. Like I played a BJ game where a $5 side bet would allow you to spin a wheel of fortune if you got a blackjack where the minimum amount to win is $50. I'm sure in a game like that, if you're counting then you might be able to take advantage of that.
@@johnnyslokes2712 so do you think casino allows bets with positive expected value??
@@milanis7a I'm just saying, in the game that I was explaining, if you are counting cards and you have a reason to expect more face cards to come up then you might be able to take some calculated side bets to win extra money on the wheel of fortune. 29 palms casino in California, idk if they still do that but it was fun and exhilarating. I wish I knew what I was doing when I was there haha
A big reason you could say now is the best time to make money at blackjack, than the "old days" is, there are more casinos now than any time in history. And more keep opening.
The 1 benefit of online is you can technically play more than one at a time (with great difficulty) and you can use paper or a recording to make no mistakes
I have a spread sheet, click + or Click - and it gives me the running count
@@creightonjason did u pay for it
@@mingo3585 Yeah I had it written, covers several different counting systems
"Alexa, add 1 to the running count" 😂
some games are very fast online but depends on the dealer. you can go to a private table also if you have the bankroll and it seems like they go pretty deep into the deck there
I remember watching an MIT documentary... I'm sure there was a Russian student there who went on to teach CC. What amazed me - was not the system they were implementing (fantastic as it was), but the methods casinos were using to stop them. A facial recognition programme was one of them (Phoenix and/or Griffin/Griffiths rings a bell)!!!! My goodness, I was thinking. The security mentioned how they caught one of those MIT students dressed as a woman when he was a man. The Russian guy turning up as an 'arms dealer' signals between teams for one to hop off the table and someone else jumps in.... yes it would fantastic to know this, but there is no way I am going to.
Best of luck to all that do this and fingers crossed that it is not a baseball bat to greet you outside
You didn't account for the possibility of running multiple concurrent sessions. Expected revenue could be halved with your analysis of comparative conditions, but if you run four concurrent sessions it can be nearly doubled
One advantage of online blackjack tho is that u don't have to place any min bets. That definitely has to add some EV right?!
Exactly, just wait for the profitable hands, don't get why people claim it's not profitable whatsoever when you can just wait for.the profitable hands
I lived off black jack for about 2 years. It's not an easy life with the bankroll I had.(20k) I only had 2 casinos near enough to travel to on a daily basis. After being escorted out of my favorite spot I lost interest and just petered out. Good luck! It's doable but not as easy as people think it is! The key = a HUGE bankroll
Btw...I ate, slept and breathed card counting
Why did you stop though
@@sf3104he explained that in the comment
As a beginner I think online live dealers are great… it’s a lot slower, giving you as much time as you need to count and not make a mistake. Yeah you’re only making 10-20 an hour. But for someone that’s new to counting and can’t get to a casino as often as one would want, it’s a great learning experience.
Except you're making $10-20 an hour with a $250k bankroll. Most of the people don't have this much money in first place, let alone gamble it in online casino. You can as well play with virtual money for a "learning experience", online casinos are a waste of time and money
I have played with live dealers online and the deck penetration is absolutely awful. They usually shuffle half way through an 8 deck shoe.
Ive been playing online blackjack recently just because the closest Casino to me that is 18+ is an hour away i went from $200 to $500 last night and i called it quits while im up i played about for 2 hours. Ive been waiting for an online casino review from you but in my own experience i believe its very hard to win online because you only play half the cards available. Or maybe to me it seems harder because ive been using it to practice my basic strategy because i just started to get into blackjack.
If you don't count cards, it doesn't matter if you only play half the card before they shuffle... You won't win more or less than in a real casino.
I new to counting and by no means an expert. So I like slow dealers it easier to keep the count and easier to see the cards
I watch many streamers that gambling online and play it by myself too, it's almost impossible to count card online because they will cut the shoes in half or even worse than half.
When you play bj online, you can only trust in the heart of the card.
Been watching you since 2016 on and off and your the best in the business👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼 I’m looking to switch up my system from high lo to ko. Wanted to ask if you could make a vid teaching the ko system. There’s plenty of info online and I know it but getting your insight has always been beneficial for me👍🏼
Is high lo a hard game to consistently win at ?
@@onwardupward9392 The Hilow system is difficult When I start doing division in my head to get the true count.
@@learningpreneur5367 Thank you,may all your wins be big.
So I’ve plaid online blackjack for about the last 2 months…. Everything seems to be the exact same as in person, but you can’t surrender, the usually go about 3 decks? Maybe? They switch out dealers like every 30-45 min. And some dealers are slow while others are really skilled dealers. Now I know you didn’t ask, but some of the dealers do a great job making it feel like in person BJ, and those dealers I tend to win most with. I find it a little bit easier to literally predict a high vs low card based off watching 2 rounds, and playing 2… I don’t count, I want to learn, but I think the fact that maybe the amount of cards shown before shuffle being less than a real casino makes it less likely to guess a low when a high is coming. Another weird thing I’ve noticed is that a majority of the time, if you hit and are given an ace, there’s a high chance of a low card coming after.
Lol just what I’ve seen from playing daily for a couple months!
One major plus is that you can play 5 dollar hands and make 25 last over a span of week. It’s too convenient, but I use it for training for a real casino trip I plan in the future ;)
3-2 blackjack payout, dealer stands 17 and soft 17. Downside- about half deck penetration every shuffle and they never varied from it. No re-splits, no doubling after a hit.
I deal black jack online I dealt at brick and mortar casinos for years. I made the switch. I can tell you a lot and I have some information that will really wake you up.
I lost too much on online casino and started watching ur vids last week lol
Lolll same here
I've found in some the first card the pull they take that many cards out face down then discard them.
Hey Colin (or any other AP with more experience than me😀), I have a question on rounding and flooring during TC conversion. Basically, what I'm asking is: isn't it overly conservative to both floor the number of decks in the discard tray (=round up the number of remaining decks/the denominator) and also floor the true count, as you are constantly underestimating the true TC?
For a more detailed explanation what I mean: There are two processes of rounding involved: rounding the number of remaining decks (let's say to the nearest integer for simplicity) to find the denominator and rounding the quotient (RC/decks) to get an integer for the TC. For the second step, you always round down (floor the quotient), i.e. with 3 decks remaining a RC of 8 gives a TC of 2 and a RC of -1 gives a TC of -1. But what about the other rounding process? Let's say the RC is 8 again. If there are 1.9 decks in the discard tray in a 6 deck shoe game, there are 4.1 decks left to play. Do you really round that up to 5 decks left or rather down to 4 decks left? In another video on TC conversion, I remember you said something like "there aren't 2 decks in the discard tray yet, so you still divide by 5". Don't you want to get closest to the true TC, in this case 8/4.1=1.95, to choose betting size and playing deviations? If you work with 4 decks remaining, you would get 8/4=2, and with 5 decks remaining, you get 8/5=1 (after flooring), but the estimated 2 is closer to the true TC, so 4 decks remaining is the better estimate. In this case you would take a little more risk as the true TC is not yet exactly 2, but if you bet like you still hadn't the advantage (as a TC of 1) you may also lose some of the advantage/some EV.
Also: what do you do if there are 4.5 decks in the discard tray/1.5 decks left, at a RC of say 6. Using half deck estimates you'd find a true TC of 4, but you can get estimates of 3 and 6, depending whether you round the number of remaining decks up to 2 or down to 1. So the way one rounds the denominator has huge influence on the playing decision. (In this example, you could argue that's why you should learn how to divide by half decks in the second half of the shoe, but I could then construct the question in a way that I ask whether to round your quarter decks up or down. The difference would be smaller, not TC= 3 or 6 like above, but the question is still there.)
Sorry for the overly long question, not even related to today's video. Just wanted to say the video is great, as always of course! And thanks if you or someone else bothers to read or even answer this. It's just a kind of important detail I often stumble upon during practice recently.
Custom bet if you're being that picky. Otherwise floor it. Why? Simply hasn't reached that TC yet.
Very good question. I think you're on the right track for thinking about this that deeply. Like the previous comment answered, maybe a customized bet between your given spreads for the 2-3 true count range let's say.
You could always round up to the more precise true counts where you see fit, just remember that going with the bigger bets then, it will put u at a higher risk of negative swings, just as it would increase your EV. So remember to resize your bet sizes if the negative side of variance is hitting hard.
If you are very disciplined with your approach I think you could maximize the EV with this as you say. Just be aware of how it will also effect the down swings.
@@m1j4s Thanks for the detailed explanation, I wasn't completely sure what the previous comment exactly meant with custom betting. I think I get it now and see the risk/reward aspects.
Because of my job status I cannot visit offline casino lol.... Tried the perfect basic strategy plus side bets and I started from 70 bucks and end up earning over 4k NZD, now waiting for the payment coming in now.... But will try to advance my counts and get to the states to play.
Actually i used to play some of my sports bet winnings in online blackjack. First i just kept looking at the current shoe whilst typing every card in a card counting app so i get to see the current count. It was at Tipico online casino and the cutting cards were somewhere around the middle, so most often they dealt like 4-5 decks before reshuffling. I just listened to music and kept following the card count and if it happened to be a true +2 or higher i grabbed a seat at the table. It is true that since they deal only about the half shoe, even if the count is raised, you dont get to abuse it properly. But i remember one time i was playing with a true count of +5 or even +6 and i remember my app told me to split my 10s and not hit my 15 and stuff that is not normal in basic strategy. In this one exception of a really high count it worked nuts. I believe from 20€ i made it to 120€ in a few hands or so. But generally speaking it sometimes was also just a waste of time and the true count sometimes never went above a true +1 for example. But sometimes it did work out. This was all back in 2016/17, now online casinos got banned in germany anyway so i couldnt try it again, but i dont really want to anyway. This was kind of fun when i was at university and younger, now i dont really want to gamble anymore, i just put a tiny little bit of money for some sports betting on the side, but by far not as much as i did back then when i was a student :p
What app?
@@bjjjunkie0821 I cannot remember the exact name, it was on android and the icon was a black spades symbol. I’m sure there exist hundreds of apps like this if you search for it.
He is back!
Here's one thing about online blackjack that I think is interesting that this video doesn't touch on. Rather than being able to do a hi-lo count, when it comes to online blackjack, you can literally track every single card (rainman style).
I wonder if there's a system for when you can literally track every single card that remains in the shoe. Such as how many 4s, 5s, 6s are left, and in fact, you can get a perfect count on what the deck penetration is. You can know down to the exact number, how many cards are left in that shoe.
That's what I was thinking. I wonder if they have an app that can count
There are two more points about online casinos that change the math a lot:
a) You can have the most insane bet spreads. Just let other people play until your +EV then sit at every open hand playing table limit - they dont care
b) The high limit tables will have the pit boss walk over and replace the shoe at a good enough count. I litterally saw one that was spot on a true +6 shuffled every single shoe. The house is litterally counting cards back.
The online blackjack is decent rules of s17 and 1.5x payput on BJ, the shoe i think is 8 decks and they use around 6-7 per shoe
You just have to watch the dealers where they place cut card. Sometimes dealers actually place that cut card way far back
Make a video of you playing blackjack online to test the theory
lol i got an ad from an online casino for this video, awesome irony.
Hey Guys!
Have you heard that you can actually make money through Online Blackjack if you do it with couple of your friends and you ”Snipe the tables”
What i mean by that you have friends in your Discord example and your friends Are counting different tables, and when One of your friends has +1 TR or higher in his table then all you enter the table and play positive EV Rounds and just continue doing that with right bet spread and bank management you can make money!
3:2 blackjack. 3-4 deck penetration.6 decks total. Won around 1k so far with a $100 bank roll
i don't think there's any live table out there with such good rules
My problem is that I live in germany and here in the EU we actually dont have many casinos at all and the few we have you have to drive to and like 85% use CSMs. I basically cant play Blackjack without flying to the US
Question: Wouldn't one potential benefit is that rather than using the traditional counting methods, instead keep track of exact cards and let a computer tell you more precisely your edge and also possible playing deviations? No estimating deck penetration as you would have an exact count.
ONE major thing that i noticed right away and really really sucks, is that when the dealer has a backdoor black jack the game still goes on no matter what you get you still end up losing.... including splits and double downs even if you get to 21 you still lose
If it helps and if it is interesting I could share information on how to increase profit by 1-2% on betting volumes when betting against online casinos but still it is hard to beat bad rules and deck penetration... Casinos does not like to spend money on winning players and can close your player's account which is terrible behaviour from them!
Well factor in no hotel costs, no fuel or car costs, no time spent on the road, and no back offs. No time limits, and it's there whenever you want it, and there's usually multiple tables. If you can count multiple tables at the same time or have a team...
I was counting the other day on my phone using pen and paper got and the first shoe had a running 13/ true 3 and I turned $25 to $150 by the end of the shoe. But I got lucky and didn’t even feel like wasting my time waiting for a shoe to get that hot again.
This was in PA so I get surrender and 3/2 in all my games by law
I guess it would only be a good tool to follow the count as a beginner, get a feel for the next step passed just doing the count on your own
Hi Colin, May I request to have more of this online casino please and if you can also make a video for other sort of online games like roulettes, bingo's etc in online casino? As we all know this is more in demand right now during and after pandemic so I want to know your thoughts on this and if you can give an advice to people like me. Thanks in advance, I am really happy that I found your YT page.😀
Collin what do you think about "playing bank" that California card rooms allow where the players can be the "dealer" for a nominal table fee, (based on the amount wagered from $4-$16 max) it's the closest to "being the house" without owning a gaming license you can get?
tell me more. sounds fun
I count cards all the time no matter where I am... online or live. It's so simple!!!
Number of decks in shoe (dealer will even tell you) X 52 = Total number of cards. Then take 1 away for every card the dealer deals.
BOOM! Card counting made easy! Never get backed off either!!
Cheers,
VT
I only play when I am on tilt and want one big hand. It's a good spot to flip a coin with a half a percent edge
I've done it under 6 decks a few times and most of the times the card counting was pretty easy to win money, lost my stack in like 1 time out of 15 times. I would recommend it when you have shoe and at least 6 decks and shuffling on at least after 4 decks, its as easy as in the casino, in fact, even easier. The only issue with online blackjack is: time, you take more time and the players too so less rounds per hour.
Rules: 6 decks, 50% penetration, DAS, Stands on Soft 17, no re-spliting, split aces only gives 1 card.
Hi I've never actually played blackjack but the concepts and math behind finding an edge fascinates me I wanted to ask on online tables can you spectate and count cards and then choose to sit and bet when the odds are in your favour (of course if you done this at a real casino it would be suspious) also because you are in the comfort of your own home cant you feasibly input the specific cards that come up in some sort of an odds calculator which will give you more accurate odds than the basic strategy in your head? sorry if any of these questions sounded naïve as I have never actually played however do understand the theory behind it to an extent as well as hearing many anecdotes
@@gsafi3729 You can't sit long without playing, however you can make like 3 or 4 rounds of sit back and 1 bet just to show that u are alive and not counting cards when you actually are. About the software, I don't think you need a software, just a paper and pen and you can literally count every round with help, no issue at all.
@@SCOclimbing Ok i see thanks
The biggest deal breaker is that they can refuse to payout when they suspect you of being an advantaged player since it's really easy for a computer to detect. Which is probably why that article written by the casino encourages you to do it. The game will flag you early on and still let you play, then only notify you when trying to cash out.
I'm a complete pleb when it comes to the legalities of gaming, but how can they refuse to pay out??
@@C00LI0DUDE" their house their rules" as to what they always say
@@nagmus887 nah, they can refuse players a seat at the table, but refusing to pay somebody out is actual robbery, I don't see how it could be legal in any US state.
@@C00LI0DUDE hehehehe. Watch other videos. A youtuber who count cards didnt get paid bec he is counting cards. Go to steven bridges and see how casinos refused to pay him out UNLESS he provides i.d. hehehe.
they can NOT pay you if you win the hand??!?!!
i worked as an online croupier, its hard to count if you ask me.. 8 decks, 4 penetrations, and they get replaced by a fresh shoe. Nah, not feasible I recon, at least not with Unibet.
And yes, they can basically do whatever they want. You basically pay to play the game, the profits are nothing but a "good deed".
Random questions here. What are the limits to this? What I mean by that is at what point would it be unrealistic to scale it any further. Whether that be table limits or too much heat holding you back from growing your account more exponentially. For instance, he mentions how much he made on the church team, so why not scale that 4 million up to 10, to 20? What holds them back from that, and what are the upper limits that one guy could do?
I play live dealer online but I don't count and i play pretty low stakes 1-50 dollars a hand
I have a question, should I add the true count after every round or not?
Online blackjack tho, you can play multiple tables at once, and we have software where automatically counts for us and tells us what to bet.
The software also has knowlege of stretagies for all counts.
I won huge on side bets got tripple 7s my first hand last night.
I put 100 bucks on hot 3, 21 plus 3, and pairs.
i got the 100 times on pairs and hot 3,
And a tikes 25!!
Suited triple 7s are my favorite.
Collin is this very rare;
4 hands all dealt a pair w/dealers up card a 4, split all 4 hands & dealer's hole card was 4, (10 cards 5 pairs) dealer hits 5 to make 13 & busted w/face card. Was lucky they let me take this pix. when hand dealt but the guy didn't want to push his luck w/the eye in the sky to allow post hand payoff pix.
ps.
Avatar image is the actual hand.
If they don't go through a decent amount of a set quantity of cards, you are screwed as a counter.
In Vegas, they have perpetual shuffling machines that will create a neverending shoe that can not be counted. No sense even trying.
As long as the deck is fixed, you can count it and win. The moment that the deck/shoe becomes an unknown quantity, it's over.
Counting online is not going to be profitable BUT there are a few minor things worth mentioning. It may actually be beneficial for those NEW to card counting and I say this for multiple reasons:
A) You don't have the pressure of having people, cameras, pit bosses, looking at you. No loud screaming, drunken banter from the guy sitting at 2nd base, etc.
B) The cards are left on the table for the entire hand, so newbies don't have to "guess" about what the guy next to him had because he didn't see and that guy busted.
I personally might play an hour or two online if I'm a bit "rusty" and haven't played in a year and am before I go to Vegas/AC. Not to actually count to have an edge, but just to make sure my ADHD brain can still do it.
As for rules, no they aren't *great* but I'll take them over the Strip. 3:2 $10 min, Surrender available, DAS, dealer stands on all 17s. Really honestly the rules might even be considered "above average" considering what trash games are out there in the real world. Now the penetration is horrible (maybe 50% if lucky) which counteracts the counting. I have had some okay TCs but it takes the first two hands being all trash to accomplish that, and even then you're lucky to MAYBE get 3 hands in if the table is fairly empty.
As far as rounds per hour, I completely disagree with the notion that it's slower than the real world. I would put it on par if not quicker. there's no waiting for people coloring up, or waiting on the 21 year old decide for 7 minutes if he should split his 10s, or for the pit boss to check change, or for the drunk guy to fumble around to look for a $1 to tip the waitress only to knock over his drink and now we gotta wait for the table to get cleaned. Now the rounds per hour MAY go down online if the table is full but overall id say they equal out. Most of the time online they have someone shuffling the used shoe as soon as the cut card is out and the hand is over. Maybe 1 out of 20 you may have to wait for a shuffle, and it's usually at really crazy late or early hours.
Some form of shuffle tracking is really the only way you're going to beat online blackjack.
8Decks. 50% CuttingCard. Aces split only one card on each. No multi splits. Dealer stand soft 17.
I was playing on PokerStars and didn't make much but I also did come home with a solid profit
50% deck penetration
10$ min bet
3:2 blackjack
Approximately 70 rounds per hour
Stand soft 17
To clarify
I was playing recreationally keeping track of the count with software and had a basic strategy chart in front of me
I know ill probably lose over time but this limits my losses for now and drills basic strategy into my head
What about card tracking in shuffles? Also how about only betting in high counts, as you don’t have to play while watching a table? I feel like this could be quite profitable.
have you been able to track?
I once found an online game with a super deep cut and ended up counting them. Got a massive profit from that shoe.
Unfortunately, it's better than CSM here at casinos in Aus I think...? Even live casinos are banned in Aus :(
I'm trying to figure out a way, surely there is some math to count CSMs... 🤔
Please figure out the math for us... 🤣
I have played some blackjack online and I see 2 big advantages. 1: you do not need to memorize the charts with basic strategy and the other charts. 2: if you are a smart you could use your computer to cheat
Number 2: How?
One good thing about online casinos is that u can keep waiting until the count is high
Only downside is you never get to really use the count to its full potential as you can never get past 50% of the deck. I wonder why they do this? I mean if they wanted to, they could just use a reshuffler (which some do) so not sure why they change the game for when it’s online.
@@jackcarter1897 they do it as a countermeasure to card counting.
I mess with fanduel. I think they go thru majority of the decks. The rules aren’t bad. The bad part is the 50 people playing and taking hits and splitting when it’s not necessary. The game is ok. The players make it horrible. Also the dealers will slow roll like I’ve never seen before. Drives me nuts
Don't think I agree with any of the comments below. Continuous shoe can't be beat by counting. And, if you're playing for money, the online bet spread is garbage. However, if you play long enough, there are algorithms that you can largely figure out. I play two popular online casinos (not for money) and my combined winnings are $26B. I don't pay to play either.
Online casinos would know exactly how much you are winning and kick you out quickly if you are a winning player.
Except online casinos have THOUSANDS online at once. I promise they don’t care.
Depending on the casino.
I play alot online. You need to go hard and heavy, the side bets can save you alot of flak. Alot playing up to 3 hands at a time allows more deck control. I've also learned to hunt shoes that are deep already and be ready to move to the next table. Also always play at crypto casinos. Alot of them backbone evolution casino.
But if you hunt shoes that are deep already, you don't know the count
We don't all have a live casino with live dealer so i was expecting that we could count on online casino.. but first i need to rewatch the video of true count cause i haven't understand the real advantages to use that and when we supposed to use it
Casino I played edge was 0.7 %, 8 deck game reshuffle in half. It was do-able but probably should make really big bet multipliers if it make sense to be worth yr time
Isn't one big advantage of playing online is that it's extremely easy to wong in and out of the game based on the count?
5:50 is the answer y’all looking for
Colin would you still play an 8 deck game with your typical rules with 6 decks dealt?
If card counting isn't illegal but casinos frown on people that do it and if the card counters gets caught, why then do the casinos usually ban that player for life?
I’ve tried online blackjack when I first started counting... 6 decks, dealer hits on soft seventeen, but they would shuffle the deck once they went through three decks... was terrible. Also it’s very slow
About 47% Pen, about 30 hands per hour. Good rules
I've learnt to count cards but it somehow almost always goes back to 0 when i do blackjack online-
I'm not a card counter as i couldn't pass grade 10 math , nor do I play blackjack that often, however just curious as to why wouldn't casino's ALWAYS use short deck penetration to combat card counting?
Shuffling takes time, time spent shuffling is time that non-advantaged players won’t be loosing money. As the vast majority of players aren’t advantaged its a balancing act. If you’re shuffling every 2 decks and doing that across all your tables at all your locations that adds up really fast
Even worse.
Some cheat by sliding up the first card to pick up the second if the first is an ace, to save for the dealer Blackjack.
Some don't use full decks, using less face cards.
And some add in extra trash cards.
Most people don't notice because you need to be counting every suit to keep track of it.
I feel like you could you sue a casino if you got mathematical proof that the deck was rigged.
Like 10-100k hands would give you very solid proof if even just a couple of cards were changed.
Hi Colin, for practicing counting, is using free-to-play blackjack a good way to practice the strategies of counting? If so, do you have any recommendations as to what app?
I would love to count in a real casino..... but I live in England. Here, CSMs are the standard. Not many casinos. So if I want a shoe.....
so if you got a quarter million in the bank you can beat minimum wage
Short answer: YOU CAN, I DID IT, IT WORKS!
Pros: you can just use a free card counting app.
Cons: Yes, returns are lower...
Best games to count: Free bet BJ and Infinite BJ by Evolution Gaming. You can do wonging the whole time.
So what are as you say "Fair or Acceptable Rules"? I didn't really understand that part.
Thank you to anyone who replies.