15:05 - Amp Rack Meshuggah tone vs 19:44 custom amp tone. I personally am not a fan of the high-gain amp rack tones, thought I think they sound decent for that particular meshuggah album
Aweasome video. I was trawling cubase support pages for a week , you explained how to use the Vst amp AND the preset stuff that is also not too obvious in a few minutes !
I was having so many problems figuring out how to use my amp plugins with Cubase Pro 10.5. After watching this video, I finally figured it out. I know this video wasn't meant to figure that stuff out but when he said how to set your track, that's how I figured it out! Thanks!
the preset simply called "lead" sounds very good, the one credit I can give to the amp rack, is that it is perfect for retro or vintage style distortions and fuzz sounds, it sounds very natural, even the background hiss and noise makes it sound very natural, but for hyper, modern metal sounds, you will probably want to add another plug-in to complement what is already there.
I just stumbled upon this. Thanks! A few things that I do when recording guitars with Cubase Pro 10, is that I use 2 different amps for the same recording. I just use 2 tracks. I find I get a better tone that way. Quick question, have you or are you going to do any more videos about the Cubase amp sims? I didn't see any on your site. Thanks again!
Yeah just try to get the 64bit version of all your plugins, but to be honest in the end you probably need to spend another 30 bucks on jbridge. Steinberg really pissed me off on this. It is one thing to stop support for 32bit plugins but it is another thing to not provide a built in bridging or alternative...
Hi. I watch UA-camr Rick Beato too and he has 3 videos which I think you should check out. 1 Top 20 Greatest Drum Sounds, 20 Greatest Rock Guitar Sounds, 20 greatest Rock Bass Sounds. Could you do a few videos on the newest Cubase (10 Pro at the moment) and try to re-create some of these iconic sounds within the program with real time feedback as you play on Cubase 10? I think it would be a good example of what the newest version of Cubase or Daws can do for effects/ effects petals/ amp effects and so on and give some of us newer students an idea on how these unique sounds were created. Thanks
Have you tried any toneforge plugins yet? If so, what do you think? Can't beat the price of free vsts, but that Jason Richardson seems like you get a lot for a little cash.
@@sinister4lyf nope its with the more expensive versions of the application. You can try search and try find a plug in that works but its very time consuming and exhausting
I think the guitar signal has to be stepped up just a little. A micro pre amp. The other thing folks don't discuss is the natural sustain from volume. You need to split the signal, go through a volume generating amp, while the other signal goes direct. The guitar tone at volume gains quite a bit of it's tone with the effect added by the volume natural feedback. I don't think you can fake feedback?
As in using the AXE fx as just an audio interface? The differences will be negligible. But using the AXE fx as an actual amp modeler, LOL! Night and day difference.
I would love it if you could use it as a USB interface, but to my knowledge, the headphones and monitor outs only give you the sounds at the source, not the return from the DAW (Cubase). I am basically asking if Fractal's models sound better through Cubase when recording and playing back than Steinberg's plugin models. Is that the night and day difference you are talking about?
Oh hell yeah, the Fractal amp and cabinet models are waaaaay more accurate than Cubase's, and more importantly, sound better. But you can use the AXE II (not sure about the first one) as a normal USB input, Meshuggah did just that on Koloss. However, they might have been using other equipment for monitoring, etc.
I was wrong. The Axe FX II and beyond are set to be full USB interfaces, just not for microphones needing XLR. The Axe FX units have an input change function that you can select USB in to monitor the DAW with speakers or headphones.
That highly depends on the engine and utilization of cores. There are great sounding all in one solutions that work pretty well on low latency up to a point where you might have even a drum plugin and 4 mono guitar tracks. I imagine that one reason for the "bad" sound of DAW amp sims is that they don't want their own product to be rendered unusable. Especially a beginner might be turned off by the fact that he will have audio dropouts immediately. So, they keep the vst rather low on resources. If you want to record multiple guitar tracks with low latency you can always freeze a track after you finished recording the parts and then start the next one. Or you record with a guitar interface that allows for real time monitoring hardware-sided. Like this you can bypass the DAW monitoring completely and you are not depending on a value below 10ms. There are many devices allowing you to do so. I have the Yamaha THR10 for that. Although, I recently payed for a Mercuriall plugin and as I mentioned above, the engine seems to run smoothly on very low latencies up to a point where you can have a drum plugin and even a synth running while you record and monitor through the DAW.
I absolutely disagree with your verdict! Because I am not a metal player. And the other models in the VST Amp Rack are really good! And of course it does make sense to have more than one fender model. Maybe not for you - but for many other players. And almost all the other (especially free) amp simulations are way to focused on heavy stuff and not usable for more bluesy stuff. Long story short: you are lacking objectivity! So would I when it comes to rate any high gain stuff. Just not my cup of tea. To me a dual rectifier sounds as bad as a peavey 5150.
Which is exactly why if Steinberg wants this plugin to be taken seriously, they need both more high gain and clean models. I play plenty of clean amp models across plugins and DSPs, and free VSTs like Anvil sound more natural than what is included in Amp Rack for most applications. Replacing the cab sim with an IR helps, but that sort of defeats the point of an all in one plugin. As vast of a selection of clean amps there are, there are even greater differences between high gain amp voicings. So no, there absolutely does need to be more than a Marshall and Rectifier model for high gain players, in addition to more clean models if this is to stand up to the likes of Helix Native or BIAS. Otherwise, they are only appealing to a small sliver of the home recording audience who are satisfied with mere approximations of vintage sounds. You could just as easily aquire a cheaper or free copy of Reaper, download all the free clean models and IRs and effects you want, and get a more true to life tone. If it works for you, great, but Amp Rack just isn't a convincing selling point in its current state for the guitar playing market as a whole.
Well - you can turn the cab sim off and use a IRs if you like. I can't compare all the amp models. But I got a 68 Deluxe Reverb and an AC30C2. And believe it or not: the VST Amp Rack nails both of them! And compared to Guitarrig 5, Bias Amp (1), Bias FX and Amplitube - it does it best of those. So there is really no reason to complain. But I don't think we're talking the same language anyway.
hbert06 I like VST Amp rack because I think the sounds sits good in the mix without to much tweaking. I also have Guitar Rig 5, and I use both. Vst amps are fantastic, but nothing beats a real amp. Little hard to use when living in a flat though.
The sound quality of any guitar plugin including that one is totally depending of the quality of your audio interface ! good audio interface with the right inpendency will be an absolute game changer if you have a good guitar player , with a good guitar and new strings, wired with a good jack ! you know wat hi mean ! Plugin is the last thing that matters !
If you truly believe that, I would urge you to listen to my Mesa amp shootouts that pit the real amp against digital emulations. Good plugins can sound identical to the real deal, but the assumption that all are created equal and it is only dependent on the player is grossly inaccurate. Amp Rack is just not in that higher tier of VSTs.
I just made the case to another person here, I see two problems, one you addressed. A small step up in signal might fix the first problem. The second problem I see is the effect of volume on the strings and pickups. The feedback loop can't be digitally replicated. The guitar signal has to be split, one signal has to go into a real amp for the real feedback effect and the other signal going direct. I have been out of recording for 5 years, but I spent two hours miking up my A rig and recording it. I compared it two a guitar model plug in and it sounded the same. I literally couldn't tell the difference. It was a grimy track that didn't require sustain. There was one small part which required sustain and I screamed the note into the strings above the pickup to get the feedback sound and it worked. I have yet to split a guitar signal into my A rig and direct with plug in amp to see it the real feedback will come out in the plugin recorded. I think it will. I'm looking for a new daw and interface to try this experiment. The benefit I see is the time getting the mics into the perfect position and sealing out external noise while getting the perfect tone, with feedback. If this works, you can take some much noise and set up out of the equation and not sacrifice that wonderful feedback.
15:05 - Amp Rack Meshuggah tone vs 19:44 custom amp tone.
I personally am not a fan of the high-gain amp rack tones, thought I think they sound decent for that particular meshuggah album
The link in the description alone is definitely worth watching this video! Thanx a lot!!!
6:06 The 'Diamond' settings are meant to be Mesa Rectifier type amps, not a Victory V30.
Aweasome video. I was trawling cubase support pages for a week , you explained how to use the Vst amp AND the preset stuff that is also not too obvious in a few minutes !
I was having so many problems figuring out how to use my amp plugins with Cubase Pro 10.5. After watching this video, I finally figured it out. I know this video wasn't meant to figure that stuff out but when he said how to set your track, that's how I figured it out! Thanks!
the preset simply called "lead" sounds very good, the one credit I can give to the amp rack, is that it is perfect for retro or vintage style distortions and fuzz sounds, it sounds very natural, even the background hiss and noise makes it sound very natural, but for hyper, modern metal sounds, you will probably want to add another plug-in to complement what is already there.
thanks man, 2022 now, but it educated me a lot.
Sounds like I should be happy sticking with my Axe FX II XL+?
I just stumbled upon this. Thanks! A few things that I do when recording guitars with Cubase Pro 10, is that I use 2 different amps for the same recording. I just use 2 tracks. I find I get a better tone that way. Quick question, have you or are you going to do any more videos about the Cubase amp sims? I didn't see any on your site. Thanks again!
Did I just hear Along the Watchtower!! Great tips, thanks!
Yeah just try to get the 64bit version of all your plugins, but to be honest in the end you probably need to spend another 30 bucks on jbridge. Steinberg really pissed me off on this. It is one thing to stop support for 32bit plugins but it is another thing to not provide a built in bridging or alternative...
Cubase cabs sound processed but actually kind of “fatter” than the other impulses. Did meshuggah use cubase cabs or custom impulses ?
Thanks man for the great vid and the link. Lots of guitar/amp vids but this is a first.
Hi. I watch UA-camr Rick Beato too and he has 3 videos which I think you should check out. 1 Top 20 Greatest Drum Sounds, 20 Greatest Rock Guitar Sounds, 20 greatest Rock Bass Sounds. Could you do a few videos on the newest Cubase (10 Pro at the moment) and try to re-create some of these iconic sounds within the program with real time feedback as you play on Cubase 10? I think it would be a good example of what the newest version of Cubase or Daws can do for effects/ effects petals/ amp effects and so on and give some of us newer students an idea on how these unique sounds were created. Thanks
Have you tried any toneforge plugins yet? If so, what do you think? Can't beat the price of free vsts, but that Jason Richardson seems like you get a lot for a little cash.
Hi are you and most other Cubase users on Mac or Windows.
Get S-Gear by Scuffham amps. You are welcome.
where can i find this, i have cubase LE AI elements 10.5, but i can not find vst amp rack
did you find it?
oh wait
@@bixstar1469 Unfortunately, it's only available in Cubase Elements 10.5.
Did you manage to get one mate? I have same cubase as yours.
@@sinister4lyf nope its with the more expensive versions of the application. You can try search and try find a plug in that works but its very time consuming and exhausting
I don't know why, but when I use the Steinberg VST amp rack with Shreddage or Prominy V-Metal, it doesn't sound that good, Am I the only one?
I think the guitar signal has to be stepped up just a little. A micro pre amp. The other thing folks don't discuss is the natural sustain from volume. You need to split the signal, go through a volume generating amp, while the other signal goes direct. The guitar tone at volume gains quite a bit of it's tone with the effect added by the volume natural feedback. I don't think you can fake feedback?
How the hell can i use the wah
with a midi expression pedal. you could sue any midi controller actually.
In your opinion, would we get better results using the Axe FX running into the USB?
As in using the AXE fx as just an audio interface? The differences will be negligible. But using the AXE fx as an actual amp modeler, LOL! Night and day difference.
I would love it if you could use it as a USB interface, but to my knowledge, the headphones and monitor outs only give you the sounds at the source, not the return from the DAW (Cubase). I am basically asking if Fractal's models sound better through Cubase when recording and playing back than Steinberg's plugin models. Is that the night and day difference you are talking about?
Oh hell yeah, the Fractal amp and cabinet models are waaaaay more accurate than Cubase's, and more importantly, sound better. But you can use the AXE II (not sure about the first one) as a normal USB input, Meshuggah did just that on Koloss. However, they might have been using other equipment for monitoring, etc.
I was wrong. The Axe FX II and beyond are set to be full USB interfaces, just not for microphones needing XLR. The Axe FX units have an input change function that you can select USB in to monitor the DAW with speakers or headphones.
Great video. Unfortunately that clean fender sounded horrible, deffo a low tier amp sim and I wouldn’t use it.
good sound but can't imagine the latency number.....
That highly depends on the engine and utilization of cores. There are great sounding all in one solutions that work pretty well on low latency up to a point where you might have even a drum plugin and 4 mono guitar tracks. I imagine that one reason for the "bad" sound of DAW amp sims is that they don't want their own product to be rendered unusable. Especially a beginner might be turned off by the fact that he will have audio dropouts immediately. So, they keep the vst rather low on resources. If you want to record multiple guitar tracks with low latency you can always freeze a track after you finished recording the parts and then start the next one. Or you record with a guitar interface that allows for real time monitoring hardware-sided. Like this you can bypass the DAW monitoring completely and you are not depending on a value below 10ms. There are many devices allowing you to do so. I have the Yamaha THR10 for that. Although, I recently payed for a Mercuriall plugin and as I mentioned above, the engine seems to run smoothly on very low latencies up to a point where you can have a drum plugin and even a synth running while you record and monitor through the DAW.
Hi man. What monitors are you using?
M Audio BX5s! They're decent, got them on sale a few years ago. I would get the 7" versions at least if I bought again.
very insightful, thanks
Actually studio one have also built in guitar plugin - Ampire
And Cakewalk by Bandlab. Apart from being a bit better than Amp Rack they all suck in high gain tones.
I absolutely disagree with your verdict! Because I am not a metal player. And the other models in the VST Amp Rack are really good! And of course it does make sense to have more than one fender model. Maybe not for you - but for many other players. And almost all the other (especially free) amp simulations are way to focused on heavy stuff and not usable for more bluesy stuff. Long story short: you are lacking objectivity! So would I when it comes to rate any high gain stuff. Just not my cup of tea. To me a dual rectifier sounds as bad as a peavey 5150.
Which is exactly why if Steinberg wants this plugin to be taken seriously, they need both more high gain and clean models. I play plenty of clean amp models across plugins and DSPs, and free VSTs like Anvil sound more natural than what is included in Amp Rack for most applications. Replacing the cab sim with an IR helps, but that sort of defeats the point of an all in one plugin.
As vast of a selection of clean amps there are, there are even greater differences between high gain amp voicings. So no, there absolutely does need to be more than a Marshall and Rectifier model for high gain players, in addition to more clean models if this is to stand up to the likes of Helix Native or BIAS. Otherwise, they are only appealing to a small sliver of the home recording audience who are satisfied with mere approximations of vintage sounds. You could just as easily aquire a cheaper or free copy of Reaper, download all the free clean models and IRs and effects you want, and get a more true to life tone. If it works for you, great, but Amp Rack just isn't a convincing selling point in its current state for the guitar playing market as a whole.
Well - you can turn the cab sim off and use a IRs if you like. I can't compare all the amp models. But I got a 68 Deluxe Reverb and an AC30C2. And believe it or not: the VST Amp Rack nails both of them! And compared to Guitarrig 5, Bias Amp (1), Bias FX and Amplitube - it does it best of those. So there is really no reason to complain. But I don't think we're talking the same language anyway.
Why did you delete my answer?
hbert06 I like VST Amp rack because I think the sounds sits good in the mix without to much tweaking. I also have Guitar Rig 5, and I use both. Vst amps are fantastic, but nothing beats a real amp. Little hard to use when living in a flat though.
The sound quality of any guitar plugin including that one is totally depending of the quality of your audio interface ! good audio interface with the right inpendency will be an absolute game changer if you have a good guitar player , with a good guitar and new strings, wired with a good jack !
you know wat hi mean !
Plugin is the last thing that matters !
If you truly believe that, I would urge you to listen to my Mesa amp shootouts that pit the real amp against digital emulations. Good plugins can sound identical to the real deal, but the assumption that all are created equal and it is only dependent on the player is grossly inaccurate. Amp Rack is just not in that higher tier of VSTs.
I just made the case to another person here, I see two problems, one you addressed. A small step up in signal might fix the first problem. The second problem I see is the effect of volume on the strings and pickups. The feedback loop can't be digitally replicated. The guitar signal has to be split, one signal has to go into a real amp for the real feedback effect and the other signal going direct. I have been out of recording for 5 years, but I spent two hours miking up my A rig and recording it. I compared it two a guitar model plug in and it sounded the same. I literally couldn't tell the difference. It was a grimy track that didn't require sustain. There was one small part which required sustain and I screamed the note into the strings above the pickup to get the feedback sound and it worked. I have yet to split a guitar signal into my A rig and direct with plug in amp to see it the real feedback will come out in the plugin recorded. I think it will. I'm looking for a new daw and interface to try this experiment. The benefit I see is the time getting the mics into the perfect position and sealing out external noise while getting the perfect tone, with feedback. If this works, you can take some much noise and set up out of the equation and not sacrifice that wonderful feedback.
Dude...Neon Knights?! Keep flying that flag, my friend. Thanks for the video. I finally got my routing correct.
Good video appreciate it!
is it work on Cubase 5 ..? please reply
PARTHA GUITAR it does not come included in cubase 5
The sound on both your plugins and amp rack is plastic, not worth it.. I get better sound from THR10 when recorded ) but thanks for sharing, like it
It is included with Cubase
8:08
For those of us that don’t have an eight string guitar… Ask that you use a six string guitar. Thanks for the video :-)
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so im not insane lol
No good