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I scrolled through tot get toe the section FOODS TO EAT. He only mentioned 1. Foods with calcium. 5 seconds in valuable info. Plus 30 minutes of rambling.
@@ThomasDeLauerOfficial Thank you Thomas. I lost 60lbs and reversed my pre diabetes. You introduce me to the ketogenic diet and I’m going to have to stick to that as I’ve never felt better.
I tell people I won’t eat fast food, fried foods or sugar because it makes me feel like garbage and people think I’m crazy. I feel inflamed immediately like Thomas. Guess I’m lucky for it because its definitely a good incentive for me not to eat trash
I’ve been carnivore for awhile now if I eat anything other than meat eggs and raw dairy I feel like crap immediately it’s akin to a hangover I feel poisoned and hungover for at least 1-3 days so going out to eat isn’t a treat it’s a nightmare so I usually fast or wait till I get home to eat.
Man, it's getting harder to find things to eat! Information is SO contradictory. One "expert" will say to eat this food and another says don't eat it. How long has this been known about oxalates?
And now I need to tell my 96 year old grandmother that her diet has been wrong her whole life. She has all of her faculties including total recall all the way to 5 years old and her short term memory is great. She lived on her own until this past winter. She ate whole foods and sweets occasionally. Vegetables and meat and dairy. She was a cook at the local school for over 25 years. She was not over weight at all and kept active around the home and yards but didn’t ever go to a gym. Interesting. Everyone in that small town of that age is like that. Water came from a local mountain spring so no messing with it either.
My ancestors in Ukraine lived off grains, butter and sugar. But it’s a different world we live in now. We have met the capacity of what our bodies are able to tolerate. The combination of pesticides, genetic engineering and cross breeding to get better yields has changed t Our food on a fundamental level.
Copy paste from research: Approximately 75% of all kidney stones are composed primarily of calcium oxalate, and hyperoxaluria is a primary risk factor for this disorder. Nine types of raw and cooked vegetables were analyzed for oxalate using an enzymatic method. There was a high proportion of water-soluble oxalate in most of the tested raw vegetables. Boiling markedly reduced soluble oxalate content by 30-87% and was more effective than steaming (5-53%) and baking (used only for potatoes, no oxalate loss). An assessment of the oxalate content of cooking water used for boiling and steaming revealed an approximately 100% recovery of oxalate losses. The losses of insoluble oxalate during cooking varied greatly, ranging from 0 to 74%. Because soluble sources of oxalate appear to be better absorbed than insoluble sources, employing cooking methods that significantly reduce soluble oxalate may be an effective strategy for decreasing oxaluria in individuals predisposed to the development of kidney stones.
You are right. Carnivore diet, red / white meat, beef, tallow, eggs, butter, salt and water. And health restored in few weeks. No fiber, no excess sugar.
Due to two serious bouts of kidney stones I have been forced (prolly a good thing for other reasons) to forego a plant heavy diet. I am very selective of plants I eat with the majority of my intake being animal based.
@@johnc.8298 can you not just cook the oxalates out and increase calcium? Asking genuinely - kidney stones hurt as I know I watched my (adult) son collapse in pain with one, when he stayed over, never seen him in so much pain ever in my life.
I eat a lot of vegetables like kale, broccoli, carrots, cabbage, and onions. I never cook the vegetables. I have never had a kidney stone. I eat wild caught fish but no beef, pork, or chicken.
Thanks to oxalates, i have passed 41 kidney stones and 3 hospitalized me. I was taught that spinach was a superfood. So for years, I had spinach smoothies and ate raw baby spinach. Some peoples body processes oxalates correctly. Then there are people like me whose body does not. In 2018 i cut out oxalated foods, since then i have passed 2 small ones.
Same re oxalates, my dog has the issue too, not as bad, only had two stones, she has had one op. If I do eat oxolates vegetables I boil them first then drain off the water. This lessens them considerably. You sound very sensitive to them compared to me.
The difference seemed salt intake. In Korea, many people get healthier from oxalate poisoning without knowing their oxalate problem. Recently Korean salt expert author published a book and so many people are adopting increasing good mineral salt intake religiously and so many comments are pouring in. They are mostly oxalate related health issues.
yup, and doctors, do not check genetics like MTHFR, etc. Cograts! Mine dom't pass (sorry, brokem key). I did the same with the 'superfoods' because I also have thalassemia & anemia from mold, lyme, etc. I think it harmed the thyroid too with the kale. Eeeeek!
Today i went to a foodcourt in a mall for the first time in about 4 years. What i saw tempted me, I thought why not just get one meal. I then remembered about how bad it ALL was for me and I left. Yay for me
I ate 200g of raw spinach in salads every day for 3 months. Didnt drink a lot of water. Got kidney stones, but that led to find my cancer, so that painfull littlte bastard most likely saved my life. I hade adrenocortial carcinoma with a cortisol producing tumor.
You did not get a cancer because you eat healthy, so there is a great chance that those kidney stones was formed by the food making cancer. For me it was, cheese. If you eat enough veggies aside spinach, like cucumbers, lettuce, courgette, carrots, radish, you will get really hydrated.
Great interview! I really loved these comments by Dr Torres: (a) "How much life are you willing to trade for living?", and (b) "When you are healthy you can sense when something is wrong." Food for thought.
Not true. I have been taking magnesium and potassium citrate for years and got multiple kidney calcium oxalate stones 😢 Once I ditched oxalates (and thrur dumping is a serious thing 😬) my kidneys are healthy and no stones appeared. I get a scan every year to be on the safe side 😊
It is interesting to note that most traditional ways of cooking spinach involve boiling it, discarding the water and pairing it with some diary product, be it milk or cream. It is only relatively recently that people started consuming spinach by itself.. It is funny how knowledge gets forgotten..
Eating citric fruits, with say spinach, help to ameliorate the negative effects of oxalate. "Lemons are a specific inhibitor of oxalates.[12] Citrate acts as an inhibitor of calcium oxalate and calcium phosphate stone formation.[13],[14]" If you're on a juice fast consuming green juice every day, you should also consume fresh fruit juice that contains lots of citric acid to ameliorate high oxalate from concentrated green juices
@@Oculed1 "Citric fruits and juices can help prevent kidney stones by binding to calcium and inhibiting the formation of calcium oxalate stones. This is because citrate reduces the amount of free calcium in urine, which makes it less likely to supersaturate and form stones. Citrate also binds to the surface of calcium oxalate crystals, preventing them from growing and clumping together."
Had a few brussels sprouts last night. I couldn't believe how sweet they were. Plants now seem to be just sugar these days with different flavours. They have been hybridised so much over the last 50 years when they were much less sweet. Arugula is an exception.
@@AnnaLevesque74 A healthy and lean man's body is made up of about 62% water, 16% fat, 16% protein, 6% minerals, less than 1% carbohydrates, and very small amounts of vitamins and other elements.This says it all.
@@marywhaley4675 Thank you...Heb.9:27 I'm aware! My quote has nothing to do what you are referring too. Obviously you must had missed that part of the podcast. Have a Great Day now.
If you want healthier nuggets, dip some chicken in potato starch(optional), then in organic kefir, then in seasoned ground pork rinds(you can buy these already ground for you) then air fry them. Because of the ground pork rinds they'll taste like they were deep fried in lard despite being air fried. And ground pork rinds may sound unhealthy , but they have 10g of protein and 1g of saturated fat per serving, and it's not even bad saturated fat. You can then make a dipping sauce out of avocado oil mayonnaise and whatever, just watch the calories.
I've seen a lot of videos like this now and have seen comments like " let's not eat anything, just starve and die." But what I see is moderation in all things and paying real attention to what your body is telling you because we're all different and of varying ages. I'm 62 and have no outstanding issues where my health is concerned. Yes, I'm lucky, but I'm also very aware of anything I'm feeling and will look firstly at my diet and water intake and will make adjustments where necessary. I do practice moderation and have learned to trust my instinct, and it works great for me. I do go to the gym and have other daily practices. Moderation is the key🔑. Don't take on too much as not just mental stress but also physical stress can be harmful. I think stress is the biggest killer.
So if frying is the problem, then it would apply to all fried food, not just chicken nuggets. You can't even find a restaurant that has a decent selection of food that is not fried. Even if you get a salad, the dressing is going to have canola or soy oil.
Foods fried in ghee or butter would be better or even virgin olive oil,,but more a lower heat fry,,Yeah seed oils are bad/chemically processed even before frying,,high in omega 6.Best to limit eating at restaurants
Rhubarb and custard was a way of dealing with oxalates. With broccoli and Brussel sprouts the benefit of sulfaraphane outweighs any downside of oxalate.
Turmeric is very high in oxylates, used in many Indian cuisine. I've read India is not known for strong gut health. Sally K Norton's book Toxic Superfoods is informative. Sally a Cornell graduate in nutrition healed herself from oxylate overload and dumping.
I was taking turmeric and blackpepper to help with my body inflammation (+ a lot of greens for breakfast and lunch). Little that I know, I was eating a 💣 of oxalates and other toxins. I cut 98% of them and I feel great.
You need not fear oxalates if: 1. You're drinking adequate amount of water throughout the day. 2. You're taking your full RDA of calcium in divided dosage through out the day, either through food or through supplements. 3. You have citrates in your diet 4. You're taking your full RDA of vitamin B6 Plants use oxalates as calcium sink. Those growing in high calcium soil have higher oxalates. Then there's endogenous oxalates produces by the liver. Oxalates have been unnecessarily sensationalized into a boogeyman for views.
There's a study online showing that freezing olive oil slows down the natural oxidation process. Since I came across, we started doing that. Telling from the taste, I think it helps.
When i take Kalle powder concentrate my elbows hurt form the oxalates within hours. But black cherry pills and celery concentrate pills will help asap or if taken with Kalle power i never get the gout feel in my elbows.
I DO feel inflammatory changes and I feel safe in saying that my inflammatory switch is stuck in the on position and has been for quite some time. It is not very fun and THIS convo ps SO very enlightening. I have issues that seem to morph into something else altogether while at the same time, NEW things/symptoms/issues seem to just crop up out of nowhere, and instantly at that. While I don't follow you 'religiously', I do tune in quite often and am always blessed for having done so. Here's to manifold blessings filling your cup and running out all over.
Hi I’m 79 , I was in constant pain in fingers , ankles knee , and had backache most days all day , I was recommended to try Boswellia capsules and turmeric and black pepper tablets , in one week it was almost gone , I’ve been carnivore for 12 weeks now and backache gone and enjoying life again , before, I was sick and tired of being sick and tired ,
Dr Jacob Torres PhD is said to be an expert and doesn't know that broccoli is a low oxalate vegetable. Its only 2 miligrams of oxalates per cup. He said its a higher oxalate food which is not true.
I think oxalates build up in tissues over your life. My brother, a SUPER DOOPER health nut, has had two separate instances with kidney stones (with me trying to tell him about oxalates). The 2nd one, he had to be hospitalized to have it removed. He sent me a screenshot of the film, and it was HUGE. He went back for a 2-week follow-up, & they gave him a list of foods to avoid. Spinach was at the top of the list. But also every other veggie he bought was on the list, so he was really building up an overload of oxalates. The thing that caught MY attention was that oxalates also go to your thyroid gland. Yikes!
Greek spanakapita is a genius food because inside the filo is spinach and feta cheese which is a dairy and has calcium and casein which both bind to oxalates. This lowers absorption. Blanche your spinach maybe in water to remove some of the oxalates and then serve it with a creamy dressing, have like a blanched spinach salad. Watch the serving size.
Also means Popeye aint going impress not ladies with putting on muscle and without dying at some point. Spinach is also disproportionately a high source of potassium too, not much as bananas.
Did you not see all the exercise he was up to, fighting big-ol' Pluto, always running around? And he drank lots of water, too. No problem. I actually had to look this up.
I'll never eat spinach again .very scary . I use to eat it once in awhile then health food seid it's good for well I ate it a lot and almonds and got sick then sicker . Found out about oxcilets along with seed oils . I don't eat out any more . Or if I do I read the ingredients .salad no dressing . Oxcilets are very dangerous .
Hey, I'm Jonathan Griffiths, a 29-year-old with a BSc in Human Nutrition from Bournemouth, Dorset. My journey as an amateur bodybuilder has been unique due to a fused spine from a rugby injury at 14 and my Autism. Despite these hurdles, I've found incredible success on the carnivore diet over the past four years, after other pain relief methods failed. I have since competed twice as a carnivore bodybuilder, with my recent showing on June 2nd 2024 where I placed first against an extremely competitive line-up. I am going to the British finals to try and earn my pro card in the open category in classic bodybuilding, as a disabled athlete. Meanwhile, I have had my spine fused in 2022, and various procedures to try and reduce the pain I am in. I am currently primarily a body composition coach in the carnivore community and have helped hundreds of people to reach their goals. The carnivore diet is my only option to try and thrive, and I love it! My diet mainly includes beef, salmon, chicken, eggs, cheese, milk, and butter. I avoid fruits, veggies, grains, nuts, seeds, oils, and sugars. I drink water, coffee, and bone broth. No calorie counting here, just focusing on around 350 grams of protein and fat each day for the past 4.5 years. In the beginning, I lost 5 pounds and felt a surge in energy, focus, and calmness. I woke up refreshed, with no cravings or GI issues. My workouts stayed strong, with better muscle pumps, vascularity, and faster recovery. The diet eased the pain and stiffness in my spine, giving me more freedom and comfort. It reduced my need for medications and improved my autism-related symptoms, like anxiety and mood swings. My social skills and communication also got better. Blood tests before and after the diet showed my liver and kidney damage from a virus had healed. My blood markers such as liver and kidney functions were normal, with no nutrient deficiencies or hormonal issues. This diet has been eye-opening, challenging many common dietary beliefs. I've learned that meat is highly nutritious and satisfying, and plants aren't essential or particularly beneficial for me. This is especially relevant given the genetic and metabolic traits seen in people with autism. I've stuck to the carnivore diet, with occasional treats like 'Hot Pot' and Korean BBQ, which I can cook myself at restaurants. On my UA-cam channel 'Carnivore Muscle,' I share my carnivore lifestyle, training tips, nutritional advice, and recipes, building a community of fellow carnivores and inspiring others to try this way of life. I fully recommend the carnivore diet to anyone looking to improve their health, fitness, and well-being, especially fellow bodybuilders and those with spinal conditions or autism. In my view, it's the best way to enhance both body and mind. 💪🥩🚀
That’s nonsense. If you are worried about oxalates you are missing the point. If you are getting kidney stones it’s a calcium problem. Meaning you are deficient in vitamin K2. Which most people are which is why heart attacks are among leading causes of death. High enough K2 will reverse arterial blockages and reverse heart disease. And that’s because of the calcium formations in your arteries. K2 removes calcium from soft tissues. Including kidneys.
Smaller portions means eating more often & then the body doesn't get a break. 1 maybe 2 meals a day within a small window & allow the body to recover for 18-20 hours at least.
I've had oxalate poisoning twice. Absolutely horrible. I eat very little plant matter now and doing much better. I've read that animals detoxify much of the plant toxins they eat hence there's less I am consuming eating majority of animal based foods.
Exactly as first reply said. Eating more saturated animal fat and minimal carbs, plus low carb/oxalate veggies in moderation (value added items like sourkraut) and life is good. Ketogenic states also reverse many many issues, and animals raised naturally have no problem for our hearts, we were lied to in the past but truth eventually prevails.
Seriously, tea's are high in oxalates too so wtf. So the list of things that are bad for you is meat, dairy, nuts, half the veggies, dark chocolate since its high in oxalates and heavy metals, most breads since wheat harms cells, sugar, oils, fruits are okay but high in sugar. Im starting to get sick of all this. One day spinach and beets fights cancer the next they kill your kidneys.
Life in America. I went to order some cream cheese and chose spread for ease of schmear and glad I read the ingredients. So much chemicals and they tell us we now have a 50/50 percent chance of cancer in our lifetimes. %50 percent chance and they allow chemicals into our foods that other countries have made illegal to use.
This is such a good guest to have on, as many of us are on supplements, and on creatine and the like and do not take heed of EGFR being affected by our own efforts to stay or get healthier.
I'm curious if the study compared kidney function after a variety of chicken nuggets, including homemade. Is it the protein from the meat? Is it the preservatives? Flavorings? The oil it's fried in?
Its mainly 2 things; 1. The oil its fried in, seed oils such as canola, sunflower, grapeseed etc are the bad ones here. 2. The highly processed starches/vegetable proteins that make up the batter. This is what i am aware of, i do not know about the actual meat used including any other additives
4:25 Spinach doesn't feel gritty in my mouth (unless it's not washed properly and there actually IS grit on it 😱 It feels "squeaky" against my teeth to me
When talking about oxalates in vegetables, it would be really helpful for the listeners to understand that there are soluble and insoluble oxalates which means that vege that contain soluble oxalates can be boiled, discard the boiling water (broccoli in particular), and the oxalate content of the vege is lowered, in some cases, considerably. In contrast, vege containing INsoluble oxalates, cooking will have NO effect on the oxalate content, therefore the human oxalate comsumption will reflect that.
Understanding the difference between soluble and insoluble oxalates helps in making informed dietary choices. Boiling can significantly lower the oxalate content in foods with soluble oxalates, while it has no effect on those with insoluble oxalates. Balancing your diet with a variety of vegetables and using appropriate cooking methods can help manage oxalate intake, particularly for individuals with conditions like kidney stones or those advised to reduce oxalate consumption.
I just found out I need to adjust my diet again because I have a kidney stone. Ugh! It is so confusing what I need to change my diet to. I stopped eating chips and replaced them with nuts. I eat very little highly processed foods. And have cut down on sugar a lot. I tried to eat healthier foos and it turns out that most of those foods are high in oxalates. I was looking at foods I can eat now and it is stuff I would never buy like Captain Crunch.....ugh...
that's ridiculous. whoever told you captn crunch is healthy is a quack and a charlatan. get a Naturopathic Dr . instead. the conventional Dr is often times a total idiot.
Do a video on how to get rid of these kidney stones without surgery. That would be an excellent video. I've been feeling stone'ish activity for almost 20 years now and have noted some supplements help over time, but it's never fully gone.
I'm wondering how oxalobacter can prevent ox absorption from the colon. It seems it would need to be higher up in the digestive system to really make a difference?
Nutrition really becomes an unsolvable puzzle the deeper you dive into it. Too many variables there. Conflicting studies, variations in people's bodies and how they handle foods. Fried foods, alcohol and cigarettes are obviously bad news but the theories on the whole gamma of vegetables, meats, fish, dairy products, grains etc.. it just seems impossible to "get it right". 🤔
Well, also you have to wonder how many people just assume they have an issue and then go ahead and create one for themselves trying the impossible gymnastics of following all of this advice. You also have to wonder how much Thomas cycles through things based on perceived effect or avoidance "just to cover the bases".
@@the_flushjackson I have eaten tremendous amounts of spinach and almonds and have yet to get a kidney stone. Joints felt great. But I was also consistently moving my joints exercising, so that's probably why they were healthy.
"Right" according to who? Just eat a variety of whole, quality foods and stay active. That's it. That's as "right" as it's going to get. Everything else is opinion and clickbait. You will drive yourself crazy if you keep watching videos online---remember, they just need to keep pushing content, that's how they make money.
Why do I crave arugula and spinach two or 3 times per week? Dr. Berg says eating fat takes care of the oxylates. Salad dressing and fetta cheese and pumpkin seeds and avocado seem to be meant for each other.
Dr. Berg is a big as a grifter as this channel. They're all selling shit. Dr. Berg basically has the same answer in every video. Eliminating carbs and do IF and you can cure everything in the world.
@@SpookyGhost999SCr and eGFR doesn’t tell the likelihood of developing stones. There are case reports of people having normal kidney function and after developing stones they never recovered
Does boiling spinach reduce oxalates? Preparing food properly can reduce your intake of oxalates. Boiling vegetables can reduce oxalates by 30-90%. One review found that boiling spinach and Swiss chard reduced their oxalate load by 87% and 85%, respectively. So why throw out the baby with the bath water?
@@patrix1987 I have always thrown away the water. All the oxalates that leach into the water is certainly not meant to be drank in anyway shape or form.
1 gram per pound of body weight of a high quality protein, creatine monohydrate, taurine, cod liver oil, low to no carbs, get 20-30 minutes of sun every day and limit stress. Keep at it!
@@AnneMB955 it’s not essential to eat spinach. I don’t see the problem with boiling or steaming it anyway. Believe me, eating a diet high in saturated fat is much more harmful for your health.
I wouldn’t touch fast food or processed foods. I try to source organically grown fresh foods. I quit sugar and flour nearly 3 years ago to help me loose weight. My aches and pains have hugely reduced, my gut has stopped hurting. My immunity has much improved. My puffiness has disappeared. I no longer need blood pressure tablets or cholesterol medication. And I lost weight! Imagine. All those side effect (good ones) from eating cleanly. And my arthritis doesn’t bother me much.
AGEs are compounds formed in the body when fat and protein combine with sugar. When they accumulate in high levels, they increase the risk of many diseases. Note: AGEs naturally accumulate with age. The discussion never states which foods to avoid (17) if you have bad kidneys.
When I hear and read about these seed oil issues and, as Dr. Torres points out, knowing the the real issue is deep fried oils, I has to ask: Who the hell is eating all this deep fried food and why are they eating it everyday ??
I'm guessing a lot of young kids are eating them. Older people know, or should know, better. Kids don't care as they think they're invincible. Growing up, I never heard this stuff, but would have probably ignored it as I ate fries a lot. I haven't eaten fries in several (20?) years. I heard they changed the oil fries, etc were cooked in. Paul Saladino, a health guy, has gone into restaurants, such as chipotle, chick fil-A, etc and has pointed out all the toxins in their food. I would never eat in those places.
6:53 Are you saying that one should not eat spinache and/or Rhubarbe? Is there a safe limit? I have eaten both, all my life, on and off, as far as I know without noticeable effect. I am nearly 90 years old.
Here is how you can still have a frayed meat without causing glycation.. marinate in lemon juice or vinegar one hr or over night, and cook it with low heat, cooking with moist minimizes or doesn't cause glycation
Great interview. This particular scientist is likely unaware that only certain people are oxalate sensitive + if you want to reduce oxalates by up to 87% just boil spinach. Drinking lemon juice in some water will also help those who are oxalate sensitive as it will reduce the chance of kidney stones. Just remember he is not a physician so his work is confined to the lab without real interaction with a large population of patients so he wouldn't know the incidence of those who are oxalate sensitive vs those who are not. As for fried food he was right - avoid it as much as possible. That part is a no-brainer ;) Air fryer is fine and so is grilling in the oven - so long as you don't burn them.
- Chicken McNuggets can cause stress on kidneys (decreased function) that lasts for 2 weeks. - It is oxidation. Frying food is bad because oxidation of fat is bad. Steamed and boiled food avoid the problem. - Oxalates are a problem for kidneys. The gut bacteria that used to break down Oxalates 100 years ago are missing in modern people. Spinach kale etc has Oxalates. - Low and slow frying is better than high and dry. Adding vinegar prevents some glycation. - Body can handle occasional stress from the bad food. But consistent exposure to such oxidation/AGE can cause damage to the organs. Make sure amount of such exposure is low each time and infrequent. Chronic inflammation (as opposed to acute) damages body. Accumulated damage is the pathology is cancer.
Just eat a variety of whole foods and stay active. Don't overthink this too much--remember, these videos about the need for extreme dietary micromanagement are created for clicks and views. He needs to keep pushing content.
This is frustrating. Eat this, don't eat that, then next year Oops, nevermind, eat it. Seriously, Spinach is bad for you now? I don't care. I just don't care anymore
According to the National Kidney Foundation the leading causes of kidney stones are: #1 Not drinking enough water. #2 Medical Conditions. #3 Genetics. #4 Diet comes in at a distant fourth, and includes many other causes like excessive protein, excessive sodium, processed foods, excessive vitamin C, along with oxalate containing foods without sufficient fluid intake. We need at least 1 liter of water a day. Also oxalate binds with dietary calcium in the gut, so when eating high oxalate foods its a good idea to have a cup of milk with your meal. Spinach already contains very high levels of calcium, but if your worried about it not being enough, have a little milk or cheese with your meal.
Another example for that sensation when a healthy person eats junk food and instantly feels "off" is when a non-smoker walks into a smoke filled room. Almost instantly they will start coughing, their eyes will start to water and they will have great difficulty breathing. But if a regular smoker walks into that same room they will breath normally and appear to suffer no ill effects.
i know.... all the smoothie stuff with spinach and kale. my dad knew not to eat spinach much, esp. raw in salad. and there are non oxalate veg as well as non cruciferous that still are nutritional.
If you get gout attacks, avoid high oxalate food, as well as the commonly prohibited high purine food. I thought I was keeping to a strict low purine diet but would still get the creaky joints that were the canaries in the coal mine, a prelude to a full gout attack. The irony is that high oxalate foods are considered very nutritious. I was having almond milk lattes, blueberries, raspberries, and vegetable juices with a spinach base. On my visits to see my mother, she would make "healthy" side dishes using chard and purslane. All of these foods are extremely high in oxalates, and none are put on common lists of foods to avoid to prevent gout, other than perhaps spinach.
Great podcast, can you find out how do people who compete by eating a bucket of ice cream, how do their bodies process this sugar ? What’s the max sugar that human body can process? And how would it do it ?
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I scrolled through tot get toe the section FOODS TO EAT. He only mentioned 1. Foods with calcium. 5 seconds in valuable info. Plus 30 minutes of rambling.
Get a food Genetic engineer on and ask him to engineer food without oxalates and glycoalkaloids
@@williamparker8840 I realized early on and just stopped watching. Thanks for confirming my thoughts.
@@ThomasDeLauerOfficial Thank you Thomas. I lost 60lbs and reversed my pre diabetes. You introduce me to the ketogenic diet and I’m going to have to stick to that as I’ve never felt better.
that painting i s so ugly. at least make it match the plants in the room or put a big plant there.
Love your videos Thomas, I struggledd most with daily routines and I would highly recommend to read The 21 former doctor secrets, if you didnt yet.
I tell people I won’t eat fast food, fried foods or sugar because it makes me feel like garbage and people think I’m crazy. I feel inflamed immediately like Thomas. Guess I’m lucky for it because its definitely a good incentive for me not to eat trash
Even a stir fry with seed oils or a salad with seed oil dressing and I feel sick.
I bet most people feel shitty after eating those foods, but they don’t know any other feeling, so they think it’s normal.
@@mattbleiler7294 I think you're right, people are so dumb they cope in their slave environments.
I’ve been carnivore for awhile now if I eat anything other than meat eggs and raw dairy I feel like crap immediately it’s akin to a hangover I feel poisoned and hungover for at least 1-3 days so going out to eat isn’t a treat it’s a nightmare so I usually fast or wait till I get home to eat.
@@jonahsonnentag1088 Is it possible that it's because it has caused a change in your microbiome that allows it only to process meats and fats?
Man, it's getting harder to find things to eat! Information is SO contradictory. One "expert" will say to eat this food and another says don't eat it.
How long has this been known about oxalates?
It's been out there! It's just We/the masses didn't know.
Man, "they" certainly love to control.
Many years, since the late 90s at least; I saw a study from 1999
Another homerun video! Love your guests these days. Super fascinating information. 👍
So what do u eat where is the list please
And now I need to tell my 96 year old grandmother that her diet has been wrong her whole life.
She has all of her faculties including total recall all the way to 5 years old and her short term memory is great.
She lived on her own until this past winter.
She ate whole foods and sweets occasionally. Vegetables and meat and dairy.
She was a cook at the local school for over 25 years.
She was not over weight at all and kept active around the home and yards but didn’t ever go to a gym.
Interesting.
Everyone in that small town of that age is like that. Water came from a local mountain spring so no messing with it either.
Maybe the mineral water helped a lot.
My ancestors in Ukraine lived off grains, butter and sugar. But it’s a different world we live in now. We have met the capacity of what our bodies are able to tolerate. The combination of pesticides, genetic engineering and cross breeding to get better yields has changed t
Our food on a fundamental level.
Health is a tough sell but it sounds like she would be open minded.
So what though? I know a jew whos 99 who grew up in Auschwitz. That doesn't mean wausheitz wasnt bad😂
I don't understand how she needs to change her diet when you said she eats whole foods, veggies, meats and dairy.
Copy paste from research: Approximately 75% of all kidney stones are composed primarily of calcium oxalate, and hyperoxaluria is a primary risk factor for this disorder. Nine types of raw and cooked vegetables were analyzed for oxalate using an enzymatic method. There was a high proportion of water-soluble oxalate in most of the tested raw vegetables. Boiling markedly reduced soluble oxalate content by 30-87% and was more effective than steaming (5-53%) and baking (used only for potatoes, no oxalate loss). An assessment of the oxalate content of cooking water used for boiling and steaming revealed an approximately 100% recovery of oxalate losses. The losses of insoluble oxalate during cooking varied greatly, ranging from 0 to 74%. Because soluble sources of oxalate appear to be better absorbed than insoluble sources, employing cooking methods that significantly reduce soluble oxalate may be an effective strategy for decreasing oxaluria in individuals predisposed to the development of kidney stones.
You are right. Carnivore diet, red / white meat, beef, tallow, eggs, butter, salt and water. And health restored in few weeks. No fiber, no excess sugar.
Due to two serious bouts of kidney stones I have been forced (prolly a good thing for other reasons) to forego a plant heavy diet. I am very selective of plants I eat with the majority of my intake being animal based.
Thanks for rummaging up these tips!
@@johnc.8298 can you not just cook the oxalates out and increase calcium? Asking genuinely - kidney stones hurt as I know I watched my (adult) son collapse in pain with one, when he stayed over, never seen him in so much pain ever in my life.
I eat a lot of vegetables like kale, broccoli, carrots, cabbage, and onions. I never cook the vegetables. I have never had a kidney stone. I eat wild caught fish but no beef, pork, or chicken.
Thanks to oxalates, i have passed 41 kidney stones and 3 hospitalized me. I was taught that spinach was a superfood. So for years, I had spinach smoothies and ate raw baby spinach. Some peoples body processes oxalates correctly. Then there are people like me whose body does not. In 2018 i cut out oxalated foods, since then i have passed 2 small ones.
Same re oxalates, my dog has the issue too, not as bad, only had two stones, she has had one op. If I do eat oxolates vegetables I boil them first then drain off the water. This lessens them considerably. You sound very sensitive to them compared to me.
The difference seemed salt intake. In Korea, many people get healthier from oxalate poisoning without knowing their oxalate problem. Recently Korean salt expert author published a book and so many people are adopting increasing good mineral salt intake religiously and so many comments are pouring in. They are mostly oxalate related health issues.
Just eat only meat. You won't have this oxalate problem
Rowatinex guys. Look it up. Works fantastic for me.
yup, and doctors, do not check genetics like MTHFR, etc. Cograts! Mine dom't pass (sorry, brokem key). I did the same with the 'superfoods' because I also have thalassemia & anemia from mold, lyme, etc. I think it harmed the thyroid too with the kale. Eeeeek!
My diet is 70% chicken nuggets and 30% oxidized seed oils. This video has me seriously questioning my life.
i eat nothing but bacon, eggs, steak, shrimp, corn, cheese, butter, hambugarm, chciken, cheese, butter, hotdog
@@Amir_Nassircheese twice?
@@Amir_Nassir
@@Lykapodium who?
@@Amir_Nassir butter twice?
Great interview! Please do a full antinutrient breakdown vid for us when you can! Oxalatas, Phytates, Lectins, etc
Yes, please!
We need more discussion and research! Totally agree.
Today i went to a foodcourt in a mall for the first time in about 4 years. What i saw tempted me, I thought why not just get one meal. I then remembered about how bad it ALL was for me and I left. Yay for me
I ate 200g of raw spinach in salads every day for 3 months. Didnt drink a lot of water. Got kidney stones, but that led to find my cancer, so that painfull littlte bastard most likely saved my life. I hade adrenocortial carcinoma with a cortisol producing tumor.
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You did not get a cancer because you eat healthy, so there is a great chance that those kidney stones was formed by the food making cancer. For me it was, cheese.
If you eat enough veggies aside spinach, like cucumbers, lettuce, courgette, carrots, radish, you will get really hydrated.
I had a friend who was a Vegan. Always ate raw Spinach. She died of Cancer last year. You can't reason with these people!
I eat 200g of spinach a day. I cook it for a few minutes with my food so basically steam it. So I shouldn't have spinach anymore?
@@everready800 you can eat whatever you want.
Great interview! I really loved these comments by Dr Torres: (a) "How much life are you willing to trade for living?", and (b) "When you are healthy you can sense when something is wrong." Food for thought.
Citrates (ie. Magnesium citrate) will bind to the oxalates and move them out of your system.
Thanks
Not true. I have been taking magnesium and potassium citrate for years and got multiple kidney calcium oxalate stones 😢
Once I ditched oxalates (and thrur dumping is a serious thing 😬) my kidneys are healthy and no stones appeared.
I get a scan every year to be on the safe side 😊
It is interesting to note that most traditional ways of cooking spinach involve boiling it, discarding the water and pairing it with some diary product, be it milk or cream. It is only relatively recently that people started consuming spinach by itself.. It is funny how knowledge gets forgotten..
My wife absolutely cannot eat raw spinach. Puts her gut on lockdown. She doesn’t even eat much cooked bc…. Why do it when body says NO.
People learn to eat spinach from Popeye.
Correct old practices and recipes evolved for a reason.
Way back in the 70s, Durk Pearson understood that Vit C helped prevent the oxidative damage and he and his coauthor are still alive in their 80s!
Yup…I think co author was patty shaw… book life extension. Wrote extensively about anti oxidents
Vitamin C precipitates oxalates in the serum.
@@garykane2422 Sandy
@@garykane2422 Sandy
Sally K. Norton is one of the premiere educators on the topic of oxalates. Highly recommend her!
Why is no one really talking about fermentation of vegetables to reduce oxcilates?
cause yuck
How come people not in America get kidney stones as much ? They all eat those things !
It should be researched and discussed. We do carrots and green beans. They are really good!
Because all vegetables, seeds, gains, and fruits contained oxalates, more than others. The body produces what is needed.
Well Koreans are going to have the longest life expectancy by 2030...half of their cuisine is fermented
Eating citric fruits, with say spinach, help to ameliorate the negative effects of oxalate. "Lemons are a specific inhibitor of oxalates.[12] Citrate acts as an inhibitor of calcium oxalate and calcium phosphate stone formation.[13],[14]"
If you're on a juice fast consuming green juice every day, you should also consume fresh fruit juice that contains lots of citric acid to ameliorate high oxalate from concentrated green juices
Interesting. How does it do that, you just don't absorb as much or does it break it down
Thanks
@@Oculed1 "Citric fruits and juices can help prevent kidney stones by binding to calcium and inhibiting the formation of calcium oxalate stones. This is because citrate reduces the amount of free calcium in urine, which makes it less likely to supersaturate and form stones. Citrate also binds to the surface of calcium oxalate crystals, preventing them from growing and clumping together."
Had a few brussels sprouts last night. I couldn't believe how sweet they were. Plants now seem to be just sugar these days with different flavours. They have been hybridised so much over the last 50 years when they were much less sweet. Arugula is an exception.
Corn is now 40% sugar.
@@AnnaLevesque74 A healthy and lean man's body is made up of about 62% water, 16% fat, 16% protein, 6% minerals, less than 1% carbohydrates, and very small amounts of vitamins and other elements.This says it all.
@@dennisward43 thanks, but I don’t see how that relates to my comments.
I do better with digestion with a small handful of arugula with my beef. Great combo.
"How much Life are you Willing to Give to Live." Great quote to ponder on!!!💯
We are all appointed once to die.
@@marywhaley4675 Thank you...Heb.9:27 I'm aware! My quote has nothing to do what you are referring too. Obviously you must had missed that part of the podcast. Have a Great Day now.
Soo boiled meat it is then!
He said Mcnuggets. So Wendy's spicy chicken nuggets are a go
Yes nug nugs are still ok
Wendy's nuggets have one of the highest levels of plastic sadly.
If you want healthier nuggets, dip some chicken in potato starch(optional), then in organic kefir, then in seasoned ground pork rinds(you can buy these already ground for you) then air fry them. Because of the ground pork rinds they'll taste like they were deep fried in lard despite being air fried. And ground pork rinds may sound unhealthy , but they have 10g of protein and 1g of saturated fat per serving, and it's not even bad saturated fat. You can then make a dipping sauce out of avocado oil mayonnaise and whatever, just watch the calories.
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@@joshuamontgomery2298 You are dead to me.
I've seen a lot of videos like this now and have seen comments like " let's not eat anything, just starve and die." But what I see is moderation in all things and paying real attention to what your body is telling you because we're all different and of varying ages. I'm 62 and have no outstanding issues where my health is concerned. Yes, I'm lucky, but I'm also very aware of anything I'm feeling and will look firstly at my diet and water intake and will make adjustments where necessary. I do practice moderation and have learned to trust my instinct, and it works great for me. I do go to the gym and have other daily practices.
Moderation is the key🔑. Don't take on too much as not just mental stress but also physical stress can be harmful. I think stress is the biggest killer.
Good post Robby, I feel the same way, I'm 67 year old male and I've found that moderation and balance is best
So if frying is the problem, then it would apply to all fried food, not just chicken nuggets. You can't even find a restaurant that has a decent selection of food that is not fried. Even if you get a salad, the dressing is going to have canola or soy oil.
Foods fried in ghee or butter would be better or even virgin olive oil,,but more a lower heat fry,,Yeah seed oils are bad/chemically processed even before frying,,high in omega 6.Best to limit eating at restaurants
I ask for olive oil and vinegar with the salad. Grilled chicken or fish on top.
bring your own if you must eat out ...lemon, pepper, call it a day.
@sailon_silvergirl you will be getting the cheapest olive oil they can get and it will likely be adulterated with soy or canola.
@@rodfonda3248BS is not
Rhubarb and custard was a way of dealing with oxalates. With broccoli and Brussel sprouts the benefit of sulfaraphane outweighs any downside of oxalate.
Turmeric is very high in oxylates, used in many Indian cuisine. I've read India is not known for strong gut health. Sally K Norton's book Toxic Superfoods is informative. Sally a Cornell graduate in nutrition healed herself from oxylate overload and dumping.
I was taking turmeric and blackpepper to help with my body inflammation (+ a lot of greens for breakfast and lunch). Little that I know, I was eating a 💣 of oxalates and other toxins.
I cut 98% of them and I feel great.
You need not fear oxalates if:
1. You're drinking adequate amount of water throughout the day.
2. You're taking your full RDA of calcium in divided dosage through out the day, either through food or through supplements.
3. You have citrates in your diet
4. You're taking your full RDA of vitamin B6
Plants use oxalates as calcium sink. Those growing in high calcium soil have higher oxalates. Then there's endogenous oxalates produces by the liver. Oxalates have been unnecessarily sensationalized into a boogeyman for views.
This chap is a great explainer, thank you both for this!
I have psoriatic arthritis, and consuming foods high in oxalates triggers psoriasis flares in my body. @21:44 very good piece of info.
22:08 - Should we be refrigerating our Olive oils & Avocado oils to prevent oxidation?
No. Ideally just a cool dark place. And don't buy it in such large quantities that it take you a long time to use it
There's a study online showing that freezing olive oil slows down the natural oxidation process. Since I came across, we started doing that. Telling from the taste, I think it helps.
This is why I only eat free range pasture human.
Well, those raw vegans are certainly looking more tasty to me too!
Thx for the laugh - turning off this phone for tonight
@@Wavesurfa try carnivores man,they are blobs, if you wanna stay alive you wouldnt want to touch a vegan...
If you can't get fresh you can supplement with Soylent Green
I thought I was the only one...
When i take Kalle powder concentrate my elbows hurt form the oxalates within hours. But black cherry pills and celery concentrate pills will help asap or if taken with Kalle power i never get the gout feel in my elbows.
Does chanca piedra mitigate this issue with oxalates throughout the body since it breaks up kidney stones
I DO feel inflammatory changes and I feel safe in saying that my inflammatory switch is stuck in the on position and has been for quite some time. It is not very fun and THIS convo ps SO very enlightening. I have issues that seem to morph into something else altogether while at the same time, NEW things/symptoms/issues seem to just crop up out of nowhere, and instantly at that. While I don't follow you 'religiously', I do tune in quite often and am always blessed for having done so. Here's to manifold blessings filling your cup and running out all over.
Hi I’m 79 , I was in constant pain in fingers , ankles knee , and had backache most days all day , I was recommended to try Boswellia capsules and turmeric and black pepper tablets , in one week it was almost gone , I’ve been carnivore for 12 weeks now and backache gone and enjoying life again , before, I was sick and tired of being sick and tired ,
Dr Jacob Torres PhD is said to be an expert and doesn't know that broccoli is a low oxalate vegetable. Its only 2 miligrams of oxalates per cup. He said its a higher oxalate food which is not true.
That's what confused me. Does the latest research show that broccoli has more oxalate than we assumed to be?
Eat a bunch of it for several days and see what happens? Ultimately it only matters what it does to you.
@@matiasishere1487why would you want to eat a bunch of it? It wouldn't matter anyway. Its a low oxalate vegetable. He's wrong.
@@IRIDEHARLEYS maybe you didn’t read my comment. Who cares what someone else says. Listen to your body and nothing else matters.
I think oxalates build up in tissues over your life. My brother, a SUPER DOOPER health nut, has had two separate instances with kidney stones (with me trying to tell him about oxalates). The 2nd one, he had to be hospitalized to have it removed. He sent me a screenshot of the film, and it was HUGE. He went back for a 2-week follow-up, & they gave him a list of foods to avoid. Spinach was at the top of the list. But also every other veggie he bought was on the list, so he was really building up an overload of oxalates.
The thing that caught MY attention was that oxalates also go to your thyroid gland. Yikes!
How much life are you willing to trade for living? That was deep.
He said not to eat spinach because it's high in oxalates. He said calcium-rich foods would help. Well, spinach is a calcium-rich food.
Greek spanakapita is a genius food because inside the filo is spinach and feta cheese which is a dairy and has calcium and casein which both bind to oxalates. This lowers absorption. Blanche your spinach maybe in water to remove some of the oxalates and then serve it with a creamy dressing, have like a blanched spinach salad. Watch the serving size.
@@TLH442 and it' s yummy like that too.
You need like 10 times more calcium than there is in calcium. And I'm not even sure that the calcium in spinach would help.
They never told us that Popeye has weak teeth and kidneys.
Wimpy and his burgers was healthier than Popeye.😊
Also means Popeye aint going impress not ladies with putting on muscle and without dying at some point. Spinach is also disproportionately a high source of potassium too, not much as bananas.
@@KhattaRapidus Spinach has more Potassium than Bananas.
Did you not see all the exercise he was up to, fighting big-ol' Pluto, always running around? And he drank lots of water, too. No problem.
I actually had to look this up.
I'll never eat spinach again .very scary .
I use to eat it once in awhile then health food seid it's good for well I ate it a lot and almonds and got sick then sicker .
Found out about oxcilets along with seed oils . I don't eat out any more . Or if I do I read the ingredients .salad no dressing .
Oxcilets are very dangerous .
Hey, I'm Jonathan Griffiths, a 29-year-old with a BSc in Human Nutrition from Bournemouth, Dorset. My journey as an amateur bodybuilder has been unique due to a fused spine from a rugby injury at 14 and my Autism. Despite these hurdles, I've found incredible success on the carnivore diet over the past four years, after other pain relief methods failed. I have since competed twice as a carnivore bodybuilder, with my recent showing on June 2nd 2024 where I placed first against an extremely competitive line-up. I am going to the British finals to try and earn my pro card in the open category in classic bodybuilding, as a disabled athlete. Meanwhile, I have had my spine fused in 2022, and various procedures to try and reduce the pain I am in. I am currently primarily a body composition coach in the carnivore community and have helped hundreds of people to reach their goals. The carnivore diet is my only option to try and thrive, and I love it!
My diet mainly includes beef, salmon, chicken, eggs, cheese, milk, and butter. I avoid fruits, veggies, grains, nuts, seeds, oils, and sugars. I drink water, coffee, and bone broth. No calorie counting here, just focusing on around 350 grams of protein and fat each day for the past 4.5 years.
In the beginning, I lost 5 pounds and felt a surge in energy, focus, and calmness. I woke up refreshed, with no cravings or GI issues. My workouts stayed strong, with better muscle pumps, vascularity, and faster recovery.
The diet eased the pain and stiffness in my spine, giving me more freedom and comfort. It reduced my need for medications and improved my autism-related symptoms, like anxiety and mood swings. My social skills and communication also got better.
Blood tests before and after the diet showed my liver and kidney damage from a virus had healed. My blood markers such as liver and kidney functions were normal, with no nutrient deficiencies or hormonal issues.
This diet has been eye-opening, challenging many common dietary beliefs. I've learned that meat is highly nutritious and satisfying, and plants aren't essential or particularly beneficial for me. This is especially relevant given the genetic and metabolic traits seen in people with autism.
I've stuck to the carnivore diet, with occasional treats like 'Hot Pot' and Korean BBQ, which I can cook myself at restaurants. On my UA-cam channel 'Carnivore Muscle,' I share my carnivore lifestyle, training tips, nutritional advice, and recipes, building a community of fellow carnivores and inspiring others to try this way of life.
I fully recommend the carnivore diet to anyone looking to improve their health, fitness, and well-being, especially fellow bodybuilders and those with spinal conditions or autism. In my view, it's the best way to enhance both body and mind. 💪🥩🚀
Cheers bro. Research Boron for your pain issues, wish you all the best
@@NIN_THUG I'm not asking for advice, at all. I am disabled, permanently. Thanks though!
@@carnivore-muscle my mistake
Why would you think anyone gives a hoot about what you eat. 😮
@@Frank-pi2gz enough for you to comment, son.
I don’t have 4 stomachs to deal with oxalates but I eat those hominid animals that do and my blood work is incredible.
@@easyox77 Exactly!
Ruminant. We're the hominids.
so glad cannibalism is working for you
That’s nonsense. If you are worried about oxalates you are missing the point. If you are getting kidney stones it’s a calcium problem. Meaning you are deficient in vitamin K2. Which most people are which is why heart attacks are among leading causes of death. High enough K2 will reverse arterial blockages and reverse heart disease. And that’s because of the calcium formations in your arteries. K2 removes calcium from soft tissues. Including kidneys.
I never could eat hominids, it basically is cannibalism
To all citizens of the United States. Just start with eating smaller portions.
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Not good advice. Just eat what’s good for us.
Smaller portions means eating more often & then the body doesn't get a break. 1 maybe 2 meals a day within a small window & allow the body to recover for 18-20 hours at least.
Sprouted broccoli, how high is the oxylate load in them? Is it better to eat them rather than regular broccoli to get sulphorapane?
Don't eat plants, they are all poisonous
I would like to know as well. I eat them for their anti-cancer properties, and their catalase.
I grew and ate them for a while but I felt like if I were sick a lot of the time and didn't know why. Now I know it's probably been the oxalates...
It's low in oxalate,and super healthy
I felt horrible and hopeless after hearing this. Great interview though!
I've had oxalate poisoning twice. Absolutely horrible. I eat very little plant matter now and doing much better. I've read that animals detoxify much of the plant toxins they eat hence there's less I am consuming eating majority of animal based foods.
Exactly as first reply said. Eating more saturated animal fat and minimal carbs, plus low carb/oxalate veggies in moderation (value added items like sourkraut) and life is good. Ketogenic states also reverse many many issues, and animals raised naturally have no problem for our hearts, we were lied to in the past but truth eventually prevails.
Seriously, tea's are high in oxalates too so wtf. So the list of things that are bad for you is meat, dairy, nuts, half the veggies, dark chocolate since its high in oxalates and heavy metals, most breads since wheat harms cells, sugar, oils, fruits are okay but high in sugar. Im starting to get sick of all this. One day spinach and beets fights cancer the next they kill your kidneys.
So everything I was taught to eat to stay healthy yesterday I have to avoid today. Awesome.
Life in America. I went to order some cream cheese and chose spread for ease of schmear and glad I read the ingredients. So much chemicals and they tell us we now have a 50/50 percent chance of cancer in our lifetimes. %50 percent chance and they allow chemicals into our foods that other countries have made illegal to use.
Yeah pretty much. 😂
Unfortunately, yes, and the food pyramid is upside down, no joke 🤷♂️😂
Whoever told you that eating chicken McNuggets was healthy , unfortunately, misinformed you and they are not too bright 🤷♂️
@@nobombs8784 Spinach = chicken nuggets? What planet are you from?
This was one of the best interviews I've seen on this channel in a while. Well done gentlemen.
Kefir and Sauerkraut (home made, live bacteria, from high quality ingredients, A2 milk etc) will break down oxalates.
Anything with calcium…
Boiling for a while and throwing the water out and recooking again helps reduce them.
except if you have MCAS with histamine issue....catch 22 all over the place but yes....especially A2 (or goat)
Not even remotely true .
@@franksindoneii5410 How do you conclude that? Did anyone perform a study on that?
This is such a good guest to have on, as many of us are on supplements, and on creatine and the like and do not take heed of EGFR being affected by our own efforts to stay or get healthier.
I'm curious if the study compared kidney function after a variety of chicken nuggets, including homemade. Is it the protein from the meat? Is it the preservatives? Flavorings? The oil it's fried in?
That's what I want to know.
It could even be things that throw off your gut bacteria.
Its mainly 2 things;
1. The oil its fried in, seed oils such as canola, sunflower, grapeseed etc are the bad ones here.
2. The highly processed starches/vegetable proteins that make up the batter.
This is what i am aware of, i do not know about the actual meat used including any other additives
@@adjithwk257 it's the frying also, of the oils and the batter.
4:25
Spinach doesn't feel gritty in my mouth (unless it's not washed properly and there actually IS grit on it 😱
It feels "squeaky" against my teeth to me
When talking about oxalates in vegetables, it would be really helpful for the listeners to understand that there are soluble and insoluble oxalates which means that vege that contain soluble oxalates can be boiled, discard the boiling water (broccoli in particular), and the oxalate content of the vege is lowered, in some cases, considerably. In contrast, vege containing INsoluble oxalates, cooking will have NO effect on the oxalate content, therefore the human oxalate comsumption will reflect that.
Too hard….just no veggies for me.
Understanding the difference between soluble and insoluble oxalates helps in making informed dietary choices. Boiling can significantly lower the oxalate content in foods with soluble oxalates, while it has no effect on those with insoluble oxalates. Balancing your diet with a variety of vegetables and using appropriate cooking methods can help manage oxalate intake, particularly for individuals with conditions like kidney stones or those advised to reduce oxalate consumption.
Jacob does a great job at making easy explanations
So everything in moderation and low and slow while minimizing oxidization
What about dairy to counteract oxalates?
I just found out I need to adjust my diet again because I have a kidney stone. Ugh! It is so confusing what I need to change my diet to. I stopped eating chips and replaced them with nuts. I eat very little highly processed foods. And have cut down on sugar a lot. I tried to eat healthier foos and it turns out that most of those foods are high in oxalates. I was looking at foods I can eat now and it is stuff I would never buy like Captain Crunch.....ugh...
Which vegetables did you eat
that's ridiculous. whoever told you captn crunch is healthy is a quack and a charlatan. get a Naturopathic Dr . instead. the conventional Dr is often times a total idiot.
Most nuts are h7gh in oxalates, seed too. The best ones are pistachios, macadamias, pekans, then walnuts, pumpkin seeds.
Do a video on how to get rid of these kidney stones without surgery. That would be an excellent video. I've been feeling stone'ish activity for almost 20 years now and have noted some supplements help over time, but it's never fully gone.
Stonebreaker from Herb Pharm, Chanca Piedra, Phosfood from Standard Process
So meat and protein doesn't damage the kidneys? There was no discussion of this topic.
Meat does not damage the kidneys..or any part of the body.
@@AnneMB955yes it is heavy on kidneys smart a$$
Great discussion, guys! Love hearing specifics about kidney health
Even Maillard reaction can also create AGEs, right?
I'm wondering how oxalobacter can prevent ox absorption from the colon. It seems it would need to be higher up in the digestive system to really make a difference?
Nutrition really becomes an unsolvable puzzle the deeper you dive into it. Too many variables there. Conflicting studies, variations in people's bodies and how they handle foods. Fried foods, alcohol and cigarettes are obviously bad news but the theories on the whole gamma of vegetables, meats, fish, dairy products, grains etc.. it just seems impossible to "get it right". 🤔
Well, also you have to wonder how many people just assume they have an issue and then go ahead and create one for themselves trying the impossible gymnastics of following all of this advice. You also have to wonder how much Thomas cycles through things based on perceived effect or avoidance "just to cover the bases".
@@the_flushjackson I have eaten tremendous amounts of spinach and almonds and have yet to get a kidney stone. Joints felt great. But I was also consistently moving my joints exercising, so that's probably why they were healthy.
perfect
"Right" according to who? Just eat a variety of whole, quality foods and stay active. That's it. That's as "right" as it's going to get. Everything else is opinion and clickbait. You will drive yourself crazy if you keep watching videos online---remember, they just need to keep pushing content, that's how they make money.
Yup! I completely agree. Might be designed that way because if we figured it out. We wouldn’t all fit on this planet.
Great conversation! ❤Loved this video❤ Thanks, Thomas😊
Why do I crave arugula and spinach two or 3 times per week? Dr. Berg says eating fat takes care of the oxylates. Salad dressing and fetta cheese and pumpkin seeds and avocado seem to be meant for each other.
Dr. Berg is a big as a grifter as this channel. They're all selling shit. Dr. Berg basically has the same answer in every video. Eliminating carbs and do IF and you can cure everything in the world.
Skip the spinach, use romaine and arugula
Melted butter and vinegar on turnip greens....yum.
Calcium binds oxalates, so that can help
oh great, i've been drinking a spinach smoothie daily for over 8 years. I feel absolutely fantastic, but sad to learn i'll be dead soon. Crap
Get your kidney function number every year and keep us up to see if your are declining, and how much each year
Prob won’t die, just be in incredible pain if you try to pass a stone. Boil the spinach first and tip the water out.
if you feel good, your body is doing well and maybe you are also eating enough calcium, magnesium and B6.
Spinach smoothie have zero heme iron. Good luck.
@@SpookyGhost999SCr and eGFR doesn’t tell the likelihood of developing stones. There are case reports of people having normal kidney function and after developing stones they never recovered
Does boiling spinach reduce oxalates?
Preparing food properly can reduce your intake of oxalates. Boiling vegetables can reduce oxalates by 30-90%. One review found that boiling spinach and Swiss chard reduced their oxalate load by 87% and 85%, respectively.
So why throw out the baby with the bath water?
yes by a lot
It is not just boiling, it is boiling and discarding the water. They leak into the water, they are not distroyed by heat.
@@patrix1987 I have always thrown away the water. All the oxalates that leach into the water is certainly not meant to be drank in anyway shape or form.
@@felipearbustopotd Exactly. I only mentioned it since there are some people in the comments that think they simply break down with heat.
@@patrix1987 Cheers for the input.
Excellent and thanks for sharing
1 gram per pound of body weight of a high quality protein, creatine monohydrate, taurine, cod liver oil, low to no carbs, get 20-30 minutes of sun every day and limit stress.
Keep at it!
You must hate life lol
No carbs 😂, the brain fog and less energy must be insufferable.😢
Sounds like a terrible way to live life.
@@farawayranger8489🤡
@@PhilosopherStoned-😂
Man I love your channel, especially since it's timestamped.
Boiling spinach for 8 to 12 minutes and removing the water reduces the amount of oxalates by up to 87%
And also all the other nutrients, so whats the point of eating it?
@@timothy790110 so don’t eat it
Ewww, I think I’ll avoid spinach.
@@AnneMB955 it’s not essential to eat spinach. I don’t see the problem with boiling or steaming it anyway. Believe me, eating a diet high in saturated fat is much more harmful for your health.
@@tomedwards1879 no thats where youre wrong, youre living in the 70s with your "satruated fat is dangerous"
there is an article about the presence of calcium oxalate crystal in sarcoid lesion.. can it be the cause of sarcoidosis?
Anyone have a link to the McNugget study?
I wouldn’t touch fast food or processed foods. I try to source organically grown fresh foods. I quit sugar and flour nearly 3 years ago to help me loose weight. My aches and pains have hugely reduced, my gut has stopped hurting. My immunity has much improved. My puffiness has disappeared. I no longer need blood pressure tablets or cholesterol medication. And I lost weight! Imagine. All those side effect (good ones) from eating cleanly. And my arthritis doesn’t bother me much.
Pressure cookers, make cheap meat like expensive meat, and likely way les AGE's.
AGEs are compounds formed in the body when fat and protein combine with sugar. When they accumulate in high levels, they increase the risk of many diseases. Note: AGEs naturally accumulate with age. The discussion never states which foods to avoid (17) if you have bad kidneys.
When I hear and read about these seed oil issues and, as Dr. Torres points out, knowing the the real issue is deep fried oils, I has to ask: Who the hell is eating all this deep fried food and why are they eating it everyday ??
I'm guessing a lot of young kids are eating them. Older people know, or should know, better. Kids don't care as they think they're invincible. Growing up, I never heard this stuff, but would have probably ignored it as I ate fries a lot. I haven't eaten fries in several (20?) years. I heard they changed the oil fries, etc were cooked in. Paul Saladino, a health guy, has gone into restaurants, such as chipotle, chick fil-A, etc and has pointed out all the toxins in their food. I would never eat in those places.
I would say the vast majority of the far East.
Personally I use coconut oil.
6:53 Are you saying that one should not eat spinache and/or Rhubarbe? Is there a safe limit? I have eaten both, all my life, on and off, as far as I know without noticeable effect. I am nearly 90 years old.
he said don' t eat it RAW. boil it, and do throw out the water from boiling .
@@theCosmicQueen I have occasionally eaten spinach as a component in a salad, but does anyone eat rhubarb raw?
@@antonywooster6783i did as a child and dipped it in sugar😂 late 70s😊
But what about.... DINO NUGGIES
Here is how you can still have a frayed meat without causing glycation.. marinate in lemon juice or vinegar one hr or over night, and cook it with low heat, cooking with moist minimizes or doesn't cause glycation
This interviews leaves more questions than answers. How can we test for oxalates in the body? Is it a simple kidney function test
Test is simple. Stop eating plants for 3 months.
Does anyone know a probiotic that has Oxalobacter formigenes?
He hit the nail - “everything is ruined”
Good honest down to earth conversation, appreciated.
Great interview. This particular scientist is likely unaware that only certain people are oxalate sensitive + if you want to reduce oxalates by up to 87% just boil spinach. Drinking lemon juice in some water will also help those who are oxalate sensitive as it will reduce the chance of kidney stones. Just remember he is not a physician so his work is confined to the lab without real interaction with a large population of patients so he wouldn't know the incidence of those who are oxalate sensitive vs those who are not.
As for fried food he was right - avoid it as much as possible. That part is a no-brainer ;) Air fryer is fine and so is grilling in the oven - so long as you don't burn them.
i don't understand what frying means - does this include fried eggs, sautee and stir fries? Or is it only deep fried?
Ok fine, no chicken nuggets. But what about fried grouper bites?
What about fireball shots. Is that better, or worse?
Haven’t y’all heard of an Air fryer? Just use beef tallow or grass fed butter, way tastier and better for you. 😋
sprout your nuts and seeds. Reduces phytic acid as well.
Soaking leafy greens may reduce oxalate content as well.
@thomasdelauer do you think when you grill meats on a charcoal grill, the oils are oxidized in much the same way as what is being described here?
Do you cover your meat in oil when you grill it?
No….
I usually pour olive oil over my food, after it’s cooked.
Can someone share the TLDR?
I'm waiting as well
- Chicken McNuggets can cause stress on kidneys (decreased function) that lasts for 2 weeks.
- It is oxidation. Frying food is bad because oxidation of fat is bad. Steamed and boiled food avoid the problem.
- Oxalates are a problem for kidneys. The gut bacteria that used to break down Oxalates 100 years ago are missing in modern people. Spinach kale etc has Oxalates.
- Low and slow frying is better than high and dry. Adding vinegar prevents some glycation.
- Body can handle occasional stress from the bad food. But consistent exposure to such oxidation/AGE can cause damage to the organs. Make sure amount of such exposure is low each time and infrequent. Chronic inflammation (as opposed to acute) damages body. Accumulated damage is the pathology is cancer.
Great interview Thomas!
Well shoot, just when I thought I was eating healthy, I am actually doing more harm to my body, than I am good. 😧
Just eat a variety of whole foods and stay active. Don't overthink this too much--remember, these videos about the need for extreme dietary micromanagement are created for clicks and views. He needs to keep pushing content.
I know i thought air fryers were the healthier way to cook food cause they didnt use oils.
What about seared steak maillard reaction?
This is frustrating.
Eat this, don't eat that, then next year Oops, nevermind, eat it.
Seriously, Spinach is bad for you now?
I don't care. I just don't care anymore
According to the National Kidney Foundation the leading causes of kidney stones are: #1 Not drinking enough water. #2 Medical Conditions. #3 Genetics. #4 Diet comes in at a distant fourth, and includes many other causes like excessive protein, excessive sodium, processed foods, excessive vitamin C, along with oxalate containing foods without sufficient fluid intake. We need at least 1 liter of water a day. Also oxalate binds with dietary calcium in the gut, so when eating high oxalate foods its a good idea to have a cup of milk with your meal. Spinach already contains very high levels of calcium, but if your worried about it not being enough, have a little milk or cheese with your meal.
Another example for that sensation when a healthy person eats junk food and instantly feels "off" is when a non-smoker walks into a smoke filled room. Almost instantly they will start coughing, their eyes will start to water and they will have great difficulty breathing. But if a regular smoker walks into that same room they will breath normally and appear to suffer no ill effects.
i know.... all the smoothie stuff with spinach and kale. my dad knew not to eat spinach much, esp. raw in salad. and there are non oxalate veg as well as non cruciferous that still are nutritional.
Someone list em
If you get gout attacks, avoid high oxalate food, as well as the commonly prohibited high purine food. I thought I was keeping to a strict low purine diet but would still get the creaky joints that were the canaries in the coal mine, a prelude to a full gout attack. The irony is that high oxalate foods are considered very nutritious. I was having almond milk lattes, blueberries, raspberries, and vegetable juices with a spinach base. On my visits to see my mother, she would make "healthy" side dishes using chard and purslane. All of these foods are extremely high in oxalates, and none are put on common lists of foods to avoid to prevent gout, other than perhaps spinach.
I been eating raw spinach daily for about 10 years without a problem, am I just lucky?
it is building up and could hit you suddenly. be intelligent about it as they discussed.
Is your name Popeye?
Great podcast, can you find out how do people who compete by eating a bucket of ice cream, how do their bodies process this sugar ? What’s the max sugar that human body can process? And how would it do it ?