Part 3. Crosman Magfire Extreme - Scope issues, timed shooting test

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  • @johnnybbgunner2136
    @johnnybbgunner2136 Рік тому +1

    That wind is your worst enemy.

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  Рік тому +1

      It turned out the wind wasn’t the issue. The gun was just a pice of trash.

    • @johnnybbgunner2136
      @johnnybbgunner2136 Рік тому

      Bring up the Benjamin bolt action.❤️

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  Рік тому +1

      @@johnnybbgunner2136 😁 that’s funny, tonight I was actually thinking about it. Maybe 1-2 pumps would be enough? I’m thinking it might not do the worst out of all the guns I’ve used so far?

  • @gmanneod8085
    @gmanneod8085 Рік тому

    Good morning with you reporting seeing shavings I should have asked you about the breech diameter when you single loaded the rifle. Are the pellets seating all the way in the breech so the skirts are not getting shaved or damaged when closing the action? Sometimes the H&N Field Target Sampler Pack with it's different diameter pellets can help you determine if you have a tight diameter breech opening. Try to check the barrel crown consistency with the muzzle moderator removed?

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  Рік тому

      The plunger mechanism makes it difficult to impossible to load a pellet by hand. I had to use tweezers to shoot it single shot and I only did it three times as it was a PITA. The probe pushes the pellet far enough in that it’s not shaving the back of the skirt, it appears it’s shaving the side of the skirt.
      The dumb thing started sticking again last night and wouldn’t feed unless I manually pushed on the crossbar to unstick it. This gun simply doesn’t function in cooler weather. It was 37°F when I when quit in frustration for the night.

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  Рік тому

      I don’t think the crown will be visible as that plastic barrel shroud is quite long and appears to extend out 6”.

  • @gmanneod8085
    @gmanneod8085 Рік тому +1

    Now the auto feed is working. Try the basics from the beginning. While you may not see damage in the baffle system may still cause turbulence causing inaccuracy. Please try it with the baffle removed. And a firm artillery hold. Pellet test at 30 feet to start.

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  Рік тому

      I can definitely try that out! When you say firm artillery hold, is that keeping a firm hold on the grip but loose on the forearm? I’ve been trying to let the gun float.
      Today I was consciously pulling the trigger straight back like Dr. Russ described in one of his videos. When I got the trigger perfect it seemed to hit exactly where I was aiming. That was great and all but was difficult to replicate every time and seemed ridiculous that the dumb thing is that fricking sensitive. I mean I’m not shooting a handgun offhand. It’s a rifle off a bag at only 50’. I don’t think it should require so much babying just to shoot half as good as my other airguns.

    • @gmanneod8085
      @gmanneod8085 Рік тому

      @@airgunsofalaska I understand your thoughts. Yes it is different and takes effort and concentration. But if you can master this technique it will improve all your accuracy. Add on maintaining your aim after the shoot and you've got it down.

  • @precisionrodentcontrol_PRC
    @precisionrodentcontrol_PRC Рік тому +1

    The lead shaving seems like a problem to me. If it was mine I’d load it like normal, then carefully push pellet back out of breech w cleaning rod to inspect for damage, I’d do this for entire mag. I don’t actually know how these mag fed break barrels work but if the probe isn’t perfectly aligned with bore, or if the probe isn’t seating the pellet deep enough you’ll have mangled pellets.

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  Рік тому

      That’d work to show any damage, I’m just sitting here thinking about the process. I think when I uncock the mag can be removed. I think first I’ll just shoot into a bucket of water and see if that’ll work as it’ll be faster and easier.
      I suspect it is shaving pellets but it’d be nice to confirm it. If it is shaving them, I don’t think there is anything that can be done to correct it.

  • @idletime
    @idletime Рік тому +1

    G'evening ☕☕ 😇 . Idk if your familiar w/ them but I also like the tried & true Daisy powerline 881 Lever action pump. I drug one around for 20+ years. That thing was so old it had plastic rifling in a steel shrouded barrel. After xx years the rifling was so bad I couldn't hit a paper plate @ 20' 😋 . I really want one of the silver anniversary powerline 881's w/ the rifled stainless barrel. A friend has one & it's a tack driver 😋

  • @toddhunter5693
    @toddhunter5693 Рік тому

    i have the same issues with the stoeger atac. and as i shoot airguns for 20 years .....little hope.

  • @jasonnealey8325
    @jasonnealey8325 Рік тому +1

    Ok so I have a fair amount of experience shooting thru a scope , I've seen the tutorials on how to zero in .
    And I've had the same problem with scope maxed out on low and then poi jumps around badly .
    I would aim at the bullseye and then let's say I hit to the right of the target , I would click turrets to the left . Same on elevation hit too high adjust towards Low .
    Most recently 9:40 , I tried the 1 shot zero which is to clamp it down take a shot then if it's off instead of making adjustments towards center you adjust croshairs towards the point of impact .
    It confuses me still but moving the crosshairs to meet up with POI , works better than walking it in towards the Bull
    Did you try iron sights only .
    I have the same scope and since I shoot fairly close range I had to shim it in back . I'm sure you know about barrel droop.
    Shimming can help get the scopes adjustments farther away from the max .
    Glad to hear your honest feedback on this gun
    Your thoughts ?

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  Рік тому

      I gave up on this gun after I confirmed it was shaving pellets and sent it back for a refund.
      I tried it for a little while using iron sights but didn’t see significantly different results. The auto loading mechanism while pretty simple and elegant is inherently flawed in my opinion as the plastic magazine can’t index the pellets centered to the bore. Add in the fact the mechanism repeatedly started sticking and failing to function properly I simply had enough.
      I’ve read about the pros and cons to shimming scopes. Had the gun not been such a POS I’d have ordered plastic scope shims but there was no point.
      I like your method to work though the scope issues.

    • @jasonnealey8325
      @jasonnealey8325 Рік тому

      @@airgunsofalaska I fully understand and think you made the right decision you have enough experience to know when you have a crappy gun

  • @joedokes8641
    @joedokes8641 9 місяців тому

    Don't have any experience with Hammers scopes personally as my Gamo 22 Magnum gen 2 has a BSA scope and my Gamo Maxxim gen1 .177 caliber has an off brand scope . I never use the the scopes that come bundled with the gun . I always use a sturdy one piece mount on all of my break barrel guns , and use blue loctite on all the screws . I check the stock screws periodically as It does effect accuracy . Both my Gamo magazine fed guns function flawlessly , a little pellgun oil now and then keeps them working as designed . Most have a five warranty that my gen 1 Maxxim has outlived . Nothing has broke or failed to work . I get it ? Most air gunners don't like Gamo's for one reason or another , but one bad apple doesn't ruin the whole bunch . I understand your frustration , I felt that way that with the Diana Model 54 Air King I had , for a higher end product should have never had all those problems. Not up to the hype in my opinion . Sent it back , they wanted to know why so I told them and I didn't hold back . My Hatsan 125 sniper is now a paperweight ( Vortex Garbage ) . Good luck with that MagFire . Not a fan of those . To many negative reviews .

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  9 місяців тому

      I spent a bunch of time that week testing and eventually figuring out why the gun wasn’t accurate, it was shaving pellets as the mechanism loaded them into the barrel. I returned it for a refund.
      Bummer about your Air King. I love mine but my first one arrived damaged with a cracked stock so I was able to exchange it for a new, replacement gun.
      I like the repeater break barrel concept but this Mag-Fire had way too many issues. It was my first introduction into an airgun that was given great reviews by some big UA-cam channels but definitely didn’t live up to the hype.
      I’ve watched and read mixed things about all the brands of break barrel repeaters since then. I’m not sure I want to try my luck with another one, regardless of brand.

    • @joedokes8641
      @joedokes8641 9 місяців тому

      I don't blame you ! Once bitten twice shy kind of thang . Loading one pellet at a time doesn't bother me , its old school airgunning for sure . Nothing to really fail , break the barrel install pellet . Simple , I like simple. Best of luck on your next return 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.😬

  • @yoitired
    @yoitired Рік тому +1

    Hey that's some good progress! I would have just said screw it I don't want to deal with all this lol. About the sound from the power plant that's definitely something I've noticed about nitros and cheap/powerful springers. My hearing is on the sensitive side and I have to plug my right ear when I shoot some break barrels cus the powerplant gives off this sound like metal hitting metal and it's loud enough to make my ear ring every time. Just another little annoyance that makes me want to reach for a pumper instead.

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  Рік тому

      Thanks, it was only due to viewer comments that I gave the gun another try. Saturday night I was totally done with it. I may still change my mind as aside from the repeater break barrel feature the gun adds nothing to my collection. Right now I suspect I’ll need the fast follow up shots to take out a squirrel as it shoots so inconsistently.
      There is part of me that just wants to run the gun until it fails so I can unequivocally say that gas pistons guns are junk. But then I think what else I could get for the money (assuming I’d get a full refund on return).
      Now that I’ve slept on it I realize I’m not particularly enamored with this gun. Maybe I give it another week or two and see how I feel then. I was watching reviews on that Seneca Dragon and aside from all the extra pumping over my 362, it looks really good.
      This Magfire is hard to like as it’s unpleasant and difficult to shoot. My lowly B3-2 is at least pleasant to shoot and decently accurate. Both have screws that work loose so it’s like, aside from the repeater function, what else does the Magfire really bring to the table?

    • @johnnybbgunner2136
      @johnnybbgunner2136 Рік тому

      He shot down 9 out of 10 in sixty seconds with a single shot break barrel!🤠🇺🇸

    • @yoitired
      @yoitired Рік тому

      @@johnnybbgunner2136 In the latest vid? Yeah that was some sick reloading speed!

  • @diamantecornish53
    @diamantecornish53 Рік тому +1

    Did Anyone See The Sasqautch in the left corner of the screen. Going into the woods ?

  • @okayestmedia
    @okayestmedia Рік тому +1

    Another thing to mention real quick, the head diameter on crosman pellets is incredibly inconsistent, I measured 10 from 3 tins that I have and they’re all different from each other, so maybe that has an impact on the guns performance as well, maybe it would do better with a larger head diameter

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  Рік тому

      Interesting! That could be, when I tried them yesterday and they shot reasonably well so I figured I’d just stick with them as they load really easily into the magazine and I have a lot of them. Also, I’ve read and watched repeatedly where people say Crosman guns tend to like Crosman pellets.
      The Hatsan Strikes load easily as well but shoot way off to the right for some reason. I didn’t want to max the windage on my new scope to compensate as that’s what I was having to do with the original scope on most of the pellets.
      What I struggle with is why some guns just shoot well, are not pellet picky and why others like this one need all this extra work just to get within the realm of barely passable?
      If it turns out it’s shaving pellets than I’d say game over, it’s an inherently flawed system that’ll only produce inconsistent, mediocre accuracy that’ll only get worse and parts wear.

    • @okayestmedia
      @okayestmedia Рік тому

      @@airgunsofalaska that’s the best and worst part about airguns, some guns like all pellets, then others will only like one kind made by some random manufacturer nobody has ever heard of. It’s a bit of a puzzle but it makes me pull my hair out some days.

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  Рік тому

      @@okayestmedia if it wasn’t for me creating my channel and getting help in the comments I’d already have this gun boxed up to ship back.
      Some guns I really want to make work because other shooters had good luck with their models (362) and I enjoy shooting the gun. This gun I don’t especially enjoy shooting and reflecting back on my experience it’s been nothing but work and mostly frustration. I get where guys say if you can master shooting a hold sensitive break barrel it’ll make you a better shooter. But I shouldn’t have to work that hard as I’m not convinced decent accuracy is built into this gun. But, I guess it’d be an interesting experiment to see if I can improve the results simply by trying different holds and comparing the groups.

    • @okayestmedia
      @okayestmedia Рік тому

      @@airgunsofalaska it’s kinda hard to say for your gun in particular, maybe it’s how your holding it or maybe the pellets, but, I think there’s a chance you got a lemon. Unfortunately with break barrels it’s hard to know for sure

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  Рік тому +1

      @@okayestmedia if it was my first new gun in years and that I didn’t already own guns that are more accurate, easier and more enjoyable to shoot I’d probably be more motivated to make this work for me.
      At the end of the day, even if I can find the magical combination of hold and pellet to make it shoot at least quarter size groups at 50’ minimum, it still isn’t enjoyable to shoot. It recoils too much and I was under the impression that all the marketing says that gas pistons are supposed to be smoother to shoot?

  • @johnnybbgunner2136
    @johnnybbgunner2136 Рік тому

    Six seconds per can!🤠

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  Рік тому

      I think it can be done😀 hitting all the cans, without using a bolt action PCP repeater like my Marauder. I had high hopes for the Magfire, it had the speed, just not the accuracy. It’s a fun challenge to me.

  • @darinmason2987
    @darinmason2987 8 місяців тому

    I believe the real problem with your gun is the barrel only being 15 inches long, which will be ok for 25 yards. Anything over 25 yards you will be better off with a full-length barrel 20 inches to get that good grouping .

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  8 місяців тому

      After much testing and troubleshooting I discovered the auto loading mechanism was shaving pellets. I ended up returning the gun.

  • @johnnybbgunner2136
    @johnnybbgunner2136 Рік тому

    Having to break the barrel and shoot fast is very tough.
    Better with a magazine for rushed shots.

  • @homeistheearth
    @homeistheearth Рік тому

    I lile the gun, it is cool looking - the magasine is very fragile!
    For the price i find it ok, it is not very accurate, but it differs alot with the pellet, i found that that some copper plated pellets i bought with lt was very good. I bought some 16 grain slugs from HN, for rat hunting, they were all over the place!
    It seems to become better the more it shoots though. I al thinking about getting a fixed barrel, and then use this only with a dot scope or the original fixed sights and use it for close distance rat murder.
    A thing is that the barrel, if you screw out the baffle, is actually very short! I bought a Chinese fixed barrel for like 70$ in Denmark lile 25 years ago, which was actually much more accurate 🤣

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  Рік тому

      The magazine was definitely fragile! I liked the concept of a repeater but I need accuracy as well.

    • @homeistheearth
      @homeistheearth Рік тому

      I just tried to remove the scope and use the "steel sights", it now can hit a dime at 10 meter / yards - i found that this break barrel has enormous amounts of play sideways and probably up and down as well. The tolerances seems very bad on this gun and it works well with the sights, but the scope makes it worthless. It also cared alot less about pellets after this. So i will get a pcp to put a scope on, this is not really worth using a scope on.

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  Рік тому

      @@homeistheearth it’s been months since I had it. I don’t recall if I spent much time shooting mine with iron sights? It’s certainly one airgun that I’ve never missed once I sent it back.

    • @homeistheearth
      @homeistheearth Рік тому

      ​@@airgunsofalaskaYeah it is actually good on the sights on the barrel. But no i dont think i will be buying a break barrel again. I would say the construction is faulty from the start.

  • @enriqueoliva6988
    @enriqueoliva6988 Рік тому

    What you got here is a fubar from crosman.

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  Рік тому

      Totally agree! Not a good experience at all. I’m very glad I was able to return it for a full refund.

  • @jskyg68
    @jskyg68 Рік тому

    Do a YT search for "pellet to bore test" .

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  Рік тому +1

      Thank you for that search topic! I’m going to try that test out as my Magfire was again shooting terrible last night.

    • @jskyg68
      @jskyg68 Рік тому

      @@airgunsofalaska I saw a vid of a guy testing a Hatsan barrel and it failed but he said his Gamo was good.
      I'm currently looking for a new rifle, I may try Gamo for the first time.

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  Рік тому

      @@jskyg68 that’s the same video I watched. Funny how he also has a Hatsan 95. I keep thinking how I was able to master shooting the 95 to get decent, consistent results. Something must be defective with my Magfire or it is truly a piece of trash.

    • @jskyg68
      @jskyg68 Рік тому

      @@airgunsofalaska He sent his Hatsan back and got a good one, can you send that Crosman back?

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  Рік тому

      @@jskyg68 I ordered it through Airgun Depot and haven’t read through the return process yet. I’m going to be pissed if I have to spend money to ship it back.

  • @toddhunter5693
    @toddhunter5693 Рік тому

    anyway surely not for hunting.

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  Рік тому

      Right!? Who cares how many fast follow up shots you have if the gun doesn’t hit in the same spot consistently in the first place.

  • @LowkeyAirgunner
    @LowkeyAirgunner Рік тому

    Crosman breeches are not chamfered and I had an hardtime seating some pellets even by hand so I see how the magazine could struggle to do so...
    {EDIT; Lets mention the fact that my Swarm 10x probe made a dent in the chamfer ony Gamo gen1 😂}
    I like how you kept lowering your expectations and still was not "impressed" by it 🤔
    _Watching this rollercoaster ride instead of going to the post office to ship my 2240 back to Crosman....but I do want an other one this time after getting ba refund for a Benj trail pistol last year 😂🎢_

    • @airgunsofalaska
      @airgunsofalaska  Рік тому +1

      I feel like I wasted a lot of time and effort on that gun both trying to make it work and figure out why it wasn’t accurate. The only thing I liked about it was the repeating concept. I greatly disliked the gas piston recoil, the magazine was cheap and fragile and it was wholly inaccurate. To top things off the dumb thing was pretty expensive for a mediocre gun.
      That underlever, repeater that Umarex makes might be better but I’m in no rush to try out another spring/gas piston gun anytime soon.