@@RLTtizME it’s just funny how flight sim pilots, or Airbus lovers will complain EVERY time a US pilot (especially flying a Boeing) don’t say “mayday” three times and only transmit their call sign and declare an emergency, yet a non US pilot flying an Airbus gets praised here. Lol it wasn’t textbook, there were things that could have been done better, there were things that they did well, and at the end of the day, these guys did a good job, got the plane on the ground safely, but it wasn’t “textbook”.
You may be right, but I often wonder if some of the calmest, coolest pilots (especially the ones who give both time and weight of fuel remaining) are ones who follow this channel and know what calm, cool & collected actually sounds like.
fwiw - Airliners have multiple computers and hydraulic systems powering the flight controls. This seems like a partial failure condition where there is 'only' a slight degradation of normal flight responses because (for example) say 1 of the 5 flight control computers has failed.
On the Alaska flight it was jammed in the full downtrim position, and eventually moved far past that, this case was probably jammed in a relatively normal position
Counterpoint: the aircraft appears to have been in control the entire time. No abnormal flight pattern, held all altitude and heading assignments, hardly any distress in the radio exchange. The flight crew mentioned the aircraft "operating reasonably normally" - delightfully vague, but I read that as "slightly difficult/somewhat abnormal, but not beyond our abilities." Which is almost the textbook definition of a panpan.
@@afrophoenix3111 countercounterpoint, anything related to a flight control issue is an immediate emergency.. a toilet that overflows, sure pan-pan. But flight control problems can get out of hand like the Alaska airlines flight. Also with a jammed Stabilizer, they have limited pitch control. Probably going to use minimal flaps, and anything that may compromise stopping ability gets an emergency.
This does not make sense so Im going with a config issue and the Pilots were not savvy how to operate something. What the Pilot says is the problem and what it really is can be different. Quick example a plane made an emergency return to the field because the engine was misfiring... actually the seatbelt was hanging out the door banging around in the wind.
The fact is, it is always better to declare an emergency. Even if you don’t need it. Did the person with the seatbelt hanging out the door need it? Maybe not. Should they have checked it was in before taking off, absolutely, but they had no ability to fix it in the air. The protocol is to return to base and get on the ground safely asap.
@@danielleclare2938 Your profound level of thinking is far to esoteric for You Tube Comments. USA Today letters to the editor should be commensurate with your expertise.
@@danielleclare2938 Sounds like you slept through most of High School. Dullards are usually not revered. (Your classmates were playing a joke on you.) Hope your eyes are improving. 86 the hat.
"We have 7 tonnes of gas, half pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses."
Textbook. Clear concise communication, the controller accommodated the pilot in every way, didn't distract him with unnecessary questions.
Except that a flight control malfunction isn’t a Pan-pan.. immediately that’s a full emergency.. May-Day style
Are you the language police? You post this comment on every video. LOL.
@@RLTtizME Must be someone else, I don't watch gay porn videos like you do.
@@RLTtizME it’s just funny how flight sim pilots, or Airbus lovers will complain EVERY time a US pilot (especially flying a Boeing) don’t say “mayday” three times and only transmit their call sign and declare an emergency, yet a non US pilot flying an Airbus gets praised here. Lol it wasn’t textbook, there were things that could have been done better, there were things that they did well, and at the end of the day, these guys did a good job, got the plane on the ground safely, but it wasn’t “textbook”.
It seems to me, as if special aviation situations in Canada are proceeded calmer and more relaxed than many normal approaches in the USA...
And always so polite.
You may be right, but I often wonder if some of the calmest, coolest pilots (especially the ones who give both time and weight of fuel remaining) are ones who follow this channel and know what calm, cool & collected actually sounds like.
"operating reasonably normally" 😐
fwiw - Airliners have multiple computers and hydraulic systems powering the flight controls. This seems like a partial failure condition where there is 'only' a slight degradation of normal flight responses because (for example) say 1 of the 5 flight control computers has failed.
😍 loved how atc said, "I'll need some information from you shortly."
No pressure, y'all know what I'll be asking 😊
We got the Canadian "I check that". Chuffed :)
Well done! Both sides were so calm.
Perfect on both ends.
I am sure it's Boeing's fault /s
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Nice. Exactly
Isn't a jammed stabilizer what brought down Alaska flight 261? Guess this was different as the crew was able to land safely.
On the Alaska flight it was jammed in the full downtrim position, and eventually moved far past that, this case was probably jammed in a relatively normal position
Jammed initially, then the jack screw broke (worn down) sending the plane into a dive.
Yes, and it then popped out of position because of the many attempts the pilots made to try to free it.
Yes I remember that and I believe it was a DC9 off the coast of Palos Verdes
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Vertical or horizontal stabilizer?
if this would be a boeing plane they would all be grounded
Pan-pan? Anything flight control related is a Mayday.. no way just a pan-pan!
Counterpoint: the aircraft appears to have been in control the entire time.
No abnormal flight pattern, held all altitude and heading assignments, hardly any distress in the radio exchange.
The flight crew mentioned the aircraft "operating reasonably normally" - delightfully vague, but I read that as "slightly difficult/somewhat abnormal, but not beyond our abilities." Which is almost the textbook definition of a panpan.
@@afrophoenix3111 countercounterpoint, anything related to a flight control issue is an immediate emergency.. a toilet that overflows, sure pan-pan. But flight control problems can get out of hand like the Alaska airlines flight. Also with a jammed Stabilizer, they have limited pitch control. Probably going to use minimal flaps, and anything that may compromise stopping ability gets an emergency.
LOL...just say EMERGENCY. You people are a hoot.
@@RLTtizME I agree!! It’s funny how these non pilots think you have to say pan-pan or mayday-mayday.. lol
MAYDAY normally indicates an immediate landing is required.
This does not make sense so Im going with a config issue and the Pilots were not savvy how to operate something. What the Pilot says is the problem and what it really is can be different. Quick example a plane made an emergency return to the field because the engine was misfiring... actually the seatbelt was hanging out the door banging around in the wind.
The fact is, it is always better to declare an emergency. Even if you don’t need it. Did the person with the seatbelt hanging out the door need it? Maybe not. Should they have checked it was in before taking off, absolutely, but they had no ability to fix it in the air. The protocol is to return to base and get on the ground safely asap.
@@007knick You missed the point and the rest is redundant. Thanks for sharing.
@@danielleclare2938 Your profound level of thinking is far to esoteric for You Tube Comments. USA Today letters to the editor should be commensurate with your expertise.
@@RLTtizME Psudeo intellictual rambling you need a dictionary to understand yourself. Good luck with that. The Alphabet starts at the letter 'A'.
@@danielleclare2938 Sounds like you slept through most of High School. Dullards are usually not revered. (Your classmates were playing a joke on you.) Hope your eyes are improving. 86 the hat.