“You got a lot of fire”. Air Canada Boeing 777 returns to Toronto Airport. Real ATC
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2024
- THIS VIDEO IS A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOLLOWING SITUATION IN FLIGHT:
05-JUN-2024. An Air Canada Boeing 777-300ER (B77W), registration C-FIUV, performing flight ACA872 / AC872 from Toronto Pearson International Airport (Canada) to Paris Charles de Gaulle/Roissy Airport (France) shortly after takeoff was informed by the air traffic controller about a lot of fire on the right side of the aircraft. Later the flight crew declared PAN-PAN, reported that they had to reduce the engine power on the right engine (as we got from the recording due to engine stall) and decided to return to Toronto. As the result the airplane landed on runway 23 at Toronto and stopped on the runway for inspection by the emergency personnel.
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Timestamps:
00:17 Air Canada Boeing 777-300 is taking off from Toronto Pearson Airport
00:39 You got a lot of fire. The airplane stops at 3000 feet
01:03 The flight crew declares PAN-PAN
02:02 Air Canada 872 contacts Toronto Departure Controller
04:40 The flight crew is ready for approach
05:35 The pilot contacts Tower controller
06:23 Landing at Toronto. Communications on the ground
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THE VALUE OF THIS VIDEO:
THE MAIN VALUE IS EDUCATION. This reconstruction will be useful for actual or future air traffic controllers and pilots, people who plan to connect life with aviation, who like aviation. With help of this video reconstruction you’ll learn how to use radiotelephony rules, Aviation English language and general English language (for people whose native language is not English) in situation in flight, which was shown. THE MAIN REASON I DO THIS IS TO HELP PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND EVERY EMERGENCY SITUATION, EVERY WORD AND EVERY MOVE OF AIRCRAFT.
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HOW I DO VIDEOS:
1) I monitor media, airspace, looking for any non-standard, emergency and interesting situation.
2) I find communications of ATC unit for the period of time I need.
3) I take only phrases between air traffic controller and selected flight.
4) I find a flight path of selected aircraft.
5) I make an animation (early couple of videos don’t have animation) of flight path and aircraft, where the aircraft goes on his route.
6) When I edit video I put phrases of communications to specific points in video (in tandem with animation).
7) Together with my comments (voice and text) I edit and make a reconstruction of emergency, non-standard and interesting situation in flight.
World Class Pilots. Deserving of a World Class Contract.
They do, but it will never happen. They might see inflation rates
@@ghostrider-be9ek I wouldn't be against 2001 rates adjusted for inflation. Should get us 90% of the way there to parity with the USA.
@@Avi-on5jp LOL no, AC will never in a million years offer anything even close to american wages - they will just start to train and contract pilots from 2nd world countries
@@ghostrider-be9ek Every time I see you here you're talking smack against AC and its pilots, did someone hurt your feelings?
@@Mark-md9peHe's not talking smack about AC pilots, he's talking smack about AC. Canadian airlines pay like shit because unfortunately they can
This is so very representative of the Canada I appreciate: A place of cool, calm, collected, and clear communication. Well done to both the pilots and ground staff. This was a non-event because of everyone involved.
No, it was a non event because it was just a compressor stall, not an "engine fire"
For those who may not be aware, the engine may still be able to produce power in the event of a compressor stall (albeit at a reduced rate) and the fire seen is not necessarily an engine fire but unspent fuel combusting and exiting aft due to the disruption of airflow into the compressor
so, something like an unexpected afterburner ?
The FADEC doesn’t do the math and derate due to EGT from all that fuel?
@@jaysmith1408 yes, but even with FADEC adjustments you may still have visible flames if there is unspent fuel igniting outside the combustion chamber as engine parameters are brought back under control
@@delfinenteddyson9865it isn’t making extra thrust though.
But that makes it seem like a routine failure and not at all worthy of a chicken little UA-cam. 🙄 Obviously I'm joking, thanks for a voice of reason.
The most Canadian of accents at 3:11 "Give us a few moments and straighten this out" Glad they got it on the ground safe.
what accent? Sounds perfectly normal to me :)
The pronunciation of "out" should be a crime.
“Ooot” 😂
@@johnandrews3568We can’t hear it because we’re Canadian lol 😉
@@Abwehr9Why? Lol...is it that bad?
Just in case you pilots ever read this, Congratulations, Well done.
I was expecting this video. This aircraft flew right over my house at about 2500 feet and I immediately knew something was up. Heavies never fly overhead and never at that altitude. Shook the whole house.
World class contract for world class pilots!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well done crew.
I disagree, you cant take time in an emergency you are not guaranteed what can happen in a moment notice. I think they are very STUPID and Irresponsible to take their time like that.
lmao every crew in the first world could do this. Most in the second and third world as well. Should they get the same contract as the third world pilots, nearly all of whom could execute a single engine return to field?
@@qwerty112311 Your comment is ridiculous and makes no sense. We live in Canada in a first world country where cost of living is very high, specially in Toronto and Vancouver. These pilots DESERVE a much better contract and pay. 58 000$ for a B777 first officer is a nightmare.
Air Canada has some of the best pilots in the industry. Say what you want about the service sometimes but if there's any airline I'd be comfortable flying with safety wise it's Air Canada,
The service is just fine in my opinion.
@Kevin60611 I agree too! I meant I can't deny they've had their fair share of complaints but even so, their safety is taken very seriously!
If only other passengers understood how they prioritize safety.
They’ve crashed MULTIPLE times what are you talking about?
100% excellent decision making in great time. Without him it could’ve been a lot worse than just an engine fire.
The pilot keeps asking about the weather because a pretty major storm system was moving in from the West around the time. I believe it hit the city around 2300. If the flight was 2125 there would be genuine concern about airport conditions getting hairy.
I wonder if that consideration was included in the departure brief? Here’s a scenario where a takeoff alternate would be an excellent consideration even though the vis is not “low”.
@@alpenglow1235 Dont worry im pretty sure they discussed it ;)
No urgency to land with just one engine, so a diversion would be pretty simple if the weather had shut down the airport.
Very professional all around. ATC quickly comprehending the grave potential of aircraft fire, the immediate "All available runways" is commendable.
Thank you for posting this and using my photo. I'm very grateful! Excellent video. Just Subscribed!
Great catch! What was that sound like in person??
@@SQUISHBUBBLE LOUD! Like artillery fire. My friend and I were in a field taking portraits in the dead of night, and we heard several bangs before we saw the plane. It took off and when we heard the bangs again with the engine burning, we were screaming in disbelief, but the engine pops were louder than our screams.
My camera was set up to take portraits (slow shutter speed since it was night time and natural light) and when this happened, I spammed the shutter button in hopes to capture the flames out of the engine. The photo is the clearest of two I took, with the least amount of motion blur. It's a very heavy crops on the bottom left. I'm just lucky I even caught it!
Absolute solid decisions happened within that aircraft, they had an answer ready for the ATC regardless of what the questions were and subject to the many variables there were evolving. Commendable crew and controllers for not over-communicating...
Very true, intended to give pilots time and less chatter so they can address the issue with focus.
Big thing we get taught on those calls is to tell ATC to stand by after declaring the initial emergency/Pan Pan so they know we're doing stuff and will get back to them shortly. Easy way to wind up rushed otherwise.
Sure is refreshing listening to Canadian ATC. For those that say USA ATC is the best need to listen to these. Worlds of difference.
Absolutely, such a difference.
I’m not sure anyone says USA ATC is the best.
Absolutely
In Murica they would have been given 5 vectors and 3 frequency changes in the first 2 minutes.
Only Canada would brag about a near disaster. Those poor passengers were singing Oh Canada I bet 😮??
Stand by while we go through the checklist. Calm, professional aviators. So Canadian
Toronto from these videos routinely have some of the best ATC
Toronto and best ATC are not words often heard together locally
@@Treetopflyer777It's probably because most of the videos on the channel come from the US. It's a low bar
@@OntarioTrafficMan 😆
@@OntarioTrafficMan😂😂😂
Tower frequency sounds Irish and like a proper fella.
That's the guy you want when you are on final with one engine and a crosswind.
Well done to everyone involved, flawless execution of the training.
Great catch!
I had to listen real close, and dang, you're right! 👍
The regional Ontario accent has a bit of a brogue, I’ve been asked many times whether I’m Irish.
@@jaysmith1408 Ahh ok!
That might be it.
MR TOWER CONTROLLER
IF YOU SEE THIS - ARE YOU IRISH ? hahah
Sounds more like a Newfoundland accent.
My dad is the Irish ATC and he told me the whole story from his perspective just watching this knowing the backstory just gives me chills I have the picture of the plane saved as my background great job to all the pilots and ATC
Excellent! I love to hear “whatever you need”.
Well done on all parts. At the end of the day it was a compressor stall and not a real fire. Big difference.
I know, but a fully loaded 777 losing engine power on departure is still a handfull for those guys upfront. And incoming TS from the west of the field...
@@airmanship82- the climb rate suffers with one engine out but that’s about all. It’s as light as a feather otherwise.
Pilot was so calm, didn't panic at all. Great work AC Pilots!
Panicking isn't an option
This thing shook my house yesterday as it made the right turn over the residential area on the initial turn.
SAME! At first I was like - WTF it sounds like a plane??! But then I was like - maybe I've just been watching too many ATC videos?? But yeah, I felt it too!
@@janeryan2709 Yeah 777s are ballsy
@@janeryan2709 and to think that was a single engine lol
SAME! it sounded so loud outside my house in richmond hill!
@@SVP3005 half the balls still big balls!
Amazing how you always have the newest of these incidents
Cool, calm and professional for sure. Aviate, evaluate, communicate with no rush decisions or panic. Looking at the flight path, the automation certainly lessened their work load during the handling of this situation. the hold looks like it was drawn with a compass.
Great video on this event.
Thanks.
Great work AC pilots and crew. Very calm 👏🏻
Pure class. Pilots and ATC. Respect
Highly professional on both sides, nice.
extremely professional and well handled by the pilots and ATC
Very professional from both sides, bravo
Just noticed the description at the beginning of the video gas 3 c’s total in the word crew but nice video!
Holy crap, I was on C-FIUV last year February. Good work, pilots!
It wouldn't be a Canadian video without the word "check" in there somewhere!
That’s a Canadian thing?
It’s a standard airline thing, an answer to challenge and response.
So proud of my national Flag Carrier. And we welcome polite and pleasant visitors.
I live near woodbine, was in the backyard chilling and saw this plane on fire! Glad everyone is safe
🏆🇨🇦Calm, cool, collected and VERY competent!!
Excellent job by the pilots and ATC ! #Worldclasscontract
I was on an Air Canada flight some years ago that suffered a compressor stall during cruise. Same flight number as the infamous Gimli glider. We landed in Winnipeg. Felt like it was just another day at the office for the flight crew. No panic in the cabin either. Just silence.
Oh my God. Canadians are so friendly. This recording is so absurd.
🤗🤗🤗
This is how professional aviators and controllers should communicate absolutely all the time. If you work as either, this is the level you’re aiming at!
Love these videos, especially the YYZ ones an hour from my house! Curious if the radio clock/time could be added to these videos so we have an idea when these transmissions take place/how long the real world stuff lasted?
such a square pattern even while on fire. impressive!
Awesome job on landing this plane thank you 🙏🏻
"...Hold some place while we straighten this thing ouute". I love that Canuckian talk..🙂
Nice job pilots and controllers.
I'm continually amazed at how calm everyone is in this situation. "We've got flames coming out of an engine? No big deal, just work the checklist." Professionals all around.
Nervous flyers should watch videos like this, of emergencies and how smoothly and safely incidents are handled
@@gregorykusiak5424 unless there is a catastrophic failure
I bet they are all pilots with a ton of experience
Amazing pilots. Always amazing in Canada situations.
Wow good job to all who helped
Where may I have access to the ATC audios in Canada? Is there any website for it?
Nerves of steel congrats pilots 🎉😊
Very cool flight crew and tower staff.
God bless the pilots and everyone who helped.
Watched this on flightradar24. Crazy to see what was happening
Having flown a LOT of Jazz (AirCanada commuter flights) on CRJ-100/200s out of / into Pearson (YYZ)... basically a bus with wings, I've never had a moment of concern.
ONCE, we had a go-around and toured downtown Toronto, flying a loop around the CN Tower. It was a "highlight", not a concern.
Actually, with the automation in these aircraft, a hold is safer and preferred. Very easy to input and engage and then the aircraft can fly the pattern for a long time and be very safe.
It’s a constant known pattern without the risk of being forgotten (think busy JFK airspace for example). This crew did a superb job.
@@busboy3943 The flight path shown goes into "no mans land", in that, it's over a very densely populated area. When it crossed Dufferin then Yonge St. I was "sure" they had control. Otherwise, they'd head for the lakeshore.
I live in Toronto and i heard it nearby my house although I didn't see it
They were sp calm through the whole thing despite having an engine on fire 🔥 😮
Woah they took off from Toronto and landed in Ireland
I check what you did there.
Spotted this over my house going super low
Let the pan pan vs. mayday comments begin!
People with such comments are very annoying
This made me laugh. So now explain the difference. :) I’m new.
Keyboard pilots never disappoint lol
I believe it was a compressor stall, the pilot did mention stall in the transmission but the word compressor was cut out. I’m not a Boeing pilot but I’m not sure if a compressor stall dictates a mayday?
@@DIRTYdeeds613 thank you!
ATC: Just say what you need
Air Canada: I need an airplane that works right and isn't on fire!
ATC: Just say your intentions.
Air Canada: I intend to finish my career in 30 years, get a nice retirement package, and go fishing with my dog!
ATC: Readback is correct.
Back on the field "Air Canada, say your intentions" "We'd like some Tim Horton's coffee and TimBits please"
Thanks it brought back memories I grew up in drag racing. I drove a 64 Plymouth sport fury 426 max wedge 4 speed
Total pros all the way around!!!!! Just another day at the office!!!
The first crew I have heard declar a "pan-pan" in the proper way in a long time.
I gotta say these are PRIME pilots and PRIME controllers.👍🏼
What's going on? Who's in charge?
Good job AC pilots 👏
Why did they not go out over the water and circle back instead of the populated areas?
Good piloting. Never question the Air Canada pilots, they’re always good.
Too bad airline themselves are late all the time 😮 Like ALL THE TIME.
Poor management. Excellent piloting. ( could be a new ad campaign 😅)
ATC didn’t ask for POB and fuel remaining.
What does “Check Remarks” mean?
The not US. So they are smart enough to understand that the plane is full (or even look it up). Same for pax. Does require some basic communication capability within the airports departments. But very helpful for the pilots, who have much more important things to do.
check remarks means I understood what you just told me and they do not require action on my part at this time.. Good shorthand, eh?
Saying PAN PAN that many times had me rolling. I tried to resist but 18 PAN PANS in a row is too much
The long haul pilots on AC are veterans. That experience comes through in this incident.
it is only a pan pan worth? It is a mayday call
Why whenever these pilots used the word "about" it lasted several seconds longer than necessary?
2:33 - 3;33 heading towards Frenchman's Bay, instead of Paris France.
Great job to the amazing pilots and flight attendants who handled this situation perfectly.
It's fascinating that in the US this would be a Mayday but everywhere else it's a Pan Pan!
In the USA they'd just say "declaring an emergency"... I rarely hear Americans use Mayday or Panpan.
Some say Mayday if they are disciplined, but my point is that you never hear Pan in the US...
Not mayday but an emergency - they don't do maydays in USA.
@@leifvejby8023 never make absolute statements. Some pilots in the US actually do use Mayday. But I have never heard Pan...
I’ve heard “Mayday” used in Europe. And this was by European pilots. That well known video of the Thomson 767 that had a bird strike in Manchester I believe is one example.
Winning
From passengers pov, we're they scared to see fire coming out of the engine?
How come they don’t use the heavy suffix when calling the F#. Is that only a US thing? If it’s a 777 I woulda thought they would call it AC872 Heavy
It's an ICAO thing but some jurisdictions (not Canada or the US) don't require it after initial contact. The Canadian regs are that it is used for all communications with ATC where applicable. I guess they had other things on their minds. ;-)
They did use it near the end, once.
MSD 2 step rev limiter was doing it's job
Ah yes, the surprised gecko pattern.
Can I know what type of engine this Air Canada 777 is equipped with ?
GE90 115lb
Big ones
So not sure if they would actually turn off this engine
No engine was still producing power at idle
Professionalism on all accounts but was wondering with a aircraft that size and assume full tank that the plane can land without dumping fuel?
Landing overweight most of the time means just that the plane needs to be checked for damage.
And this plane was on its way to maintenance anyway.
They *could* have done it but it's not mandatory.
Most likely the pilots wanted to land before the thunderstorm came in.
Toronto to CDG isn’t a very long flight, they may well have been under max landing weight already
please, thank you, yes sir.....O Canada, you really put the rest of us to shame.
What does the pilot mean by "check remarks" at 5:52?
He's acknowledging that they heard and understood the other remarks (runway wet, wind speed and direction)
Pilots use that phraseology to mean they've heard and understood the remarks given, such as "wet runway." Canada is the only place I've ever heard it used, though.
Just to add, the reason he's saying check remarks is that a readback for those comments isn't required but he's acknowledging receipt).
That’s Canadian for “Roger”
Let the personal pan pizza 🍕 comments begin…… order now.
GE makes engines
it feels so crazy that they just spend 30 minutes flying in circles to do checklists instead of just instantly turning around to land
Takeoff and landing are the two segments of a flight that carry the most risk. The greatest number of fatal accidents occur during landing.
Considering they had just lost most or all of the power from one of their engines during takeoff, it makes sense that they'd want to spend some time flying in a relatively stress free heading and environment before attempting a landing with added variables such as wind gusts. This allows the pilots some time to get a feel for how the aircraft is currently behaving, run a few checklists to verify whether any other components or systems were impacted, and communicate instructions to flight attendants and passengers.
Obviously if the engine was still actively on fire it would have warranted more urgent actions, but with a single compressor stall the aircraft is still perfectly flyable and not in "immediate" danger. So the pilots likely felt that coming in for a quick landing was riskier than just taking a little extra time to smoothly and calmly plan their next steps.
Gotta finish the checklists, you can’t just land.
Yeah, and then run off the runway due to the aircraft being overweight due to fuel...
Second incident in a week, I believe the other was also a B777. ETOPS rating will be in trouble.
No it won’t. ETOPS gets in trouble for systematic problems, not for statistical anomalies
@@MrSchwabentier I think engines are systematic. A inflight shutdown last week and another B777 engine issue is a problem. Flying across the ocean on one engine is frowned upon. I'm pretty sure TC will be asking questions. Engine reliability is one of the biggest factors in maintaining ETOPS.
@@2strokemerc again, that is a statistical anomaly because there are no systematic issues prevalent. Especially when the incidents aren't even technically related.
And btw. inflight shutdowns happen basically every other week across all kinds of aircraft types. Don't make a big story out of a non-issue.
@@2strokemercjust because it’s a 777 doesn’t mean it’s the same type of engine.
They’re concerned for the weather because I’m sure that Air France A340 overrun at Toronto was in their minds.
Those Canadian wildfires are bad.
Does ATC not usually ask for fuel and souls on board?
For a mayday yes. But this was a pan-pan.
@@qtheplatypus Only in the Sim ..LOL
only in a declare emergency which this certainly was not!
Yes normally you’d ask for any emergency, this one included. However, there wasn’t a whole lot known at the time of what exactly had happened with the aircraft. The priority was to give the pilots time to figure out what they needed to do and get it back on the ground asap.
Thanks for the replies!
Why fly over the city and not the lake?
Nicer view
CB s
So nice to get back to some professionalism after that mess at KTEB the other day.
But his brakes weren’t working 😂
@@JC-io6tf I've been coming here for 14 years! Sheesh! My God, I hope they reached in and took the keys as soon as the wheels stopped. "I just flew in from West Caldwell!" / "Well, that's going to be an expensive Uber to get back."
It’s just a matter of time
Air Canada maintenance personnel are not good any more. Old school guy's are the real professionals. New generation sucks. Online training to become licensed AME??!! Wow. Where is Transport Canada?
They have always had engines fail, but it happens a lot less these days than it used to.
Hey Michael Rousseau (Air Canada CEO), pay your heroes. I’m sure you can spare the extra bonuses you’ve been paying yourself which have been more than any AC CEO in history.
How can they land fully loaded with fuel- just after takeoff?
They can dump fuel if they want to, or at Toronto they could land over weight if they want to
Thinking about it, Toronto to CDG isn’t a long flight, they probably wouldn’t be over max landing weight when they took off
@@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549 Ohk- so why can they land overweight- runway length?
Ohk fair enough- I didn’t realize it’s considered ‘not far’
They were making rounds over densely populated area.
Yes!!! WTF is that all about. People are praising the pilots, I think they just got lucky as f.
I would have to grab my hand luggage for a change of undies after that! Wow!
🤔💭take off eh, no way you hoser we're on fire
Air Canada 872, you need to get your airplane straightened oot.
Roger sorry
Does it actually sound like oot to you or are you just repeating the Canadian accent stereotype that I've never understood. To me it sounds more like 'oat'.
ATC: your plane is on fire
Pilot: thanks
ATC: are you sure you’re not an emergency?
Pilot: nah
ATC: clear to land any runway
Pilot: if you insist