Seat Mii 36.8kwh electric car review incl real-world range test (same as Skoda Citigo and VW E-up)
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- Hi everyone, this is just a simple walkaround review of the brilliant little Seat Mii which shares the same as the VW Volkswagen E-up and the Skoda Citigo
This is the later version with the 36.8kWh battery (of which 32.3 is useable) which is a big battery for such a small EV. Earlier versions had the smaller battery.
It s afun little car, some great features, good spec, lots of airbags and is brilliant for city life. It is also refined on the motorway but thats where electric cars can suffer from efficiency. We know around town it can achieve over 7 miles per Kwh making it the most efficienct car we've ever tested, but what's it worst case real world range going to be?
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I owe a car lile this. I can't understand why on earth vw stop selling them. It is the perfect commuter car for 95 % of people.
I offer you two reasons why they stopped..
1. They didn't want to cannibalise the market for their ICE cars.
2. It's likely partly hand built without a proper assembly line and thus they'll have lost money on each
one that sold. It's basically there to demonstrate they're trying.
I think VW are producing them again, they've come up as options on my work's lease scheme recently.
Yeah just overpriced compared to its counterparts
VW verkauft immernoch die Ups
We've had our E-Up! For 2 years, gets used intensively every day and already has 52000 kms on the clock, trouble free, great economy very reliable and well built. A proper EV that makes sense!
Great to see you reviewing a more affordable EV.
After watching this I’ve just bought the wife one. . . 250 miles of motorway to do tomorrow to get it home! 😮😮
I have had a Mii Electric for about 18 months and have piled on about 12,000 miles of mixed driving around town and a few longer trips from York to London. I wish the charging rate was better than the (on average) 25kW to 20kW. I usually run down to about 25% to 20% of the full charge and top up to around 80%, when on the longer trips; the charging takes around 30 minutes. I have found the optimum speed of motorway travel is 60 mph, with a bit of 30mph around the start and end of the journey gives me an average of 6.4 miles/kWh. I think this is excellent! It is SO reminiscent of my old Mini Cooper (1071cc) back in the 70's, Flingable around smaller roads, corners really well and has very similar performance. Even the back windows open the same way as the old Mini! Consumption is very similar on range before 'topping up'. With a 5+ gallon tank (really - that small) and around 35-37 mpg, it was necessary to fill up often, every 150+ miles or so. The Mii is much the same. About the same power (60kW motor) range and handling. All of the cramped fun and inappropriate seating for long distances and charging at home at 28p/kWh or less if I get solar panels. My average consumption for the full distance 12,000m covered is 5.5 miles/kWh, which means I have paid 12000/5.5 = 2182 kWh @ 0.28p = £611. Some of the time I have charged at expensive public chargers, so bump that up to say, £750.... I think this is rather good; also NO maintenance needed. Using the old Mini as a comparison with todays fuel prices, we would have 12000/36 mpg = 334 gallons. Fuel presently £1.47 a litre and 4.54 litres per gallon = 1.47 x 4.54 = £6.68 per gallon (UK) x 334 = £2,231.00. Honestly, what is not to love?
Great video Richard! I enjoyed it lots. Looking forward to some more!
Great to see a budget minded car on the channel. I'm not bothered by the simplisity of the car, in fact I find the basic nature of the car appealing.
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The side +/- allow you to change the regen level from D (1) to (3). B is basically the 4th level and it's pretty good for what it is, not one pedal driving but just about there. I absolutely love my older Citigo EV which I've donated to my parents and drive every once in a while, it's a dinky little fun car that surprises you in many ways. My main car, the MG4 is quicker, bigger and has more range but I genuinely have more fun in the Citigo (same car as the Mii and the e-up!). And so economical, it blows anything else out in the water.
Yup. Same in my e golf
For the metric viewers,
5.1 mi/kWh = 12.18 kWh/100km
7.1 mi/kWh = 8.75 kWh/100km
Just taken our Mii to London and back from Bournemouth, gave it a 18kwh top up just off the M4 in London. (Heston services) stats for the way up, 125miles, used about 75%, showed 5.5miles/kwh, with a range of 55miles left at the services, so maybe 180mile real range, including some motorway speed!
Would say its much better in the city, so nippy, easy to park as so small, but like your test showed over 5mile/kwh average for the journey!
yes, its a basic car, but is great, especially as a 2nd car!
Yes the + and - adjust the regen level when in D mode.
Auto lights and wipers as standard.
Maximum charge speed is only 38kwh I think, I got 33kwh on the Gridserve at 29% battery as displayed on charger.
Really underestimated car. I have an vw eup as a second car and it’s much more practical than you’d first think. Drives well, more space than you’d think from looking at it and although basic in many ways it has heated seats, lane assist, parking sensors and quite possibly the smallest reversing camera display I’ve ever seen (but it works).
Great little car than quite often gets chosen over our main family car. We have even taken it on longer journeys such as from Manchester to Ireland - because of its efficiency it actually performed really well. Most who have been in it comment about how nippy it is and that it’s more roomy than they expected.
Loved my little petrol Mii, my first car. The electric must be a cracking little runaround.
Our my21 eUp outruns my my21 eNiro easily up the mountain roads here, love it! Still both are insanely efficient 🙌
I own one of these, my first EV. It's a great little car. Only complaints I have are the lack of a numerical battery state of charge displayed as percent. Also, if the rapid charging was able to take 100kW, it would make longer journeys just that little bit more straightforward.
You never know they could bring back the E Up! With a 40kwh battery and 50kw DC with a flat charging curve so it doesn't slow down until 85-90 % as most chargers in my area are still 50kw CCS/chademo. 10%-90% in 30 minutes off of a 50kw charger would be ample and at 5m/kWh you'd get genuine 200 miles !
@@oliverskinner8962 I live in hope that increasing volume of EVs leads to some tuning shops specialising in modifying older EVs to add better battery chemistries, faster charging, and improved information on in car displays.
There are a couple of chargers on my longer routes which are now over 150kW, so being limited to 40kW (realistically just 29kW average from 10-80%) can add a bit of extra time on to a journey.
An absolute belter of a car !
The usual excellent assessment of an electric car Richard. With your unbounded enthusiasm I'm surprised the government haven't approached you to promote the general transition to EV's.
Richard thank you for reviewing the Mii Electric … a few points, in addition to the 4 stage regen using the drive selector, the Mii Electric has auto headlights and auto wipers… there is also a slot at the rear of the boot to store charging cables….such a great package ( I am slightly biased as you may guess!)
That Mii didn't have the moveable boot floor it must have been an optional extra like a space saver spare wheel.
@@oliverskinner8962 You could buy it as an option for the Mii. The Mii only had 3 options. The moveable floor, height adjustable passenger seat and a black roof.
Have one of these, great little car.
Got a used one last year absolutely perfect for everything apart from vacations.
Oh good. My ID3 is coming to the end of the lease next April, and tbh I could go with a smaller car. Usually there's only me in the car, so an E-Up, Citigo or Mii could be a goer.
We have this car as second family car since E2020. In summer absolutely amazing. Even though the highway sweet spot is 100-110 km/h (60-65 mph). Higher than that and the consumption goes up like a rocket. Winter is the real downside of this car. The heating system is very old school and it seems to have a V8 4.0L as efficiency 😂 so when I was driving alone I would have driven without heating to keep the situation under control. In a nutshell, for the leasing rate we got at that time, it was an easy decision ⚡️⚡️⚡️
I love them!
Looks a cracking little EV and decent value. Some 2020 examples around with the same battery for £10k.
Debating whether or not to suggest one to my uncle he's been looking at 2019 petrol Mii around £9k and could stretch to £10/11k but no off street parking or on street parking for that matter closer than a 2 minute walk away from the flat. It's so much more car for the money though 😞
Great information & vid 😊
I bought a '71 Seat MII Electric while I waited 10 months for my Tesla Model Y. It was a fantastic little car. Both me and my girlfriend were reminiscing all the way through the video. Used to get between 5 and 7 miles/kWh. If I didn't want to take 3 dogs, all their belongings and my girlfriend on road trips, I would have gladly kept it.
Hi Richard, I've been watching your superb videos as I gear up for my first EV purchase - probably for my 75th. There's one important aspect you have not covered in all the episodes I have watched, and I suspect I know why. Yup, insurance. Obviously you cannot give guidance for individual drivers but knowing the insurance groups would be very helpful. If that's not on perhaps a more generalised episode on insurers views on EVs would not go amiss. So far I have only seen one UK channel cover this subject and I think it is one that does need tackling. There's a lot of cost offsets available with EVs so maybe it could be done in that light. At my age I'd be home charging and would get around 150 to 200 miles range on a single overnight charge for the grand total of £4.50. My current car can get about 420 miles on a tank full at not far short of £100. I once had a pre-owned Audi allroad that cost me £500 per corner in new air suspension bags so I can put EV costs into context. So can others. Cheers.
Really nice wee review.
Had those rear windows on my first car: Ford Anglia!
Hi Richard, you’ve got 3 levels of regen in D, with the 4th level (giving 1 pedal driving) in B mode. The dash is missing the phone holder which handily sits on top. Re. Re. Space, I can actually get a drum kit in it easier than the Model 3!
Cracking little Seat
The 3-car Mii / Citygo / VW Up! models were absolutely the perfect fit for modern urban driving - small, boxy, nippy, efficient...
The VW Group should've continued to build them... instead of sacking them off in favour of profiteering from selling resource-wasteful, oversized, aerodynamically-inefficient SUVs...!
So much for the "People's Car", eh... 😠
They still do produce the E-Up! It can be ordered here in France
Yep the VW eup has started appearing as an option on my work's lease website in the UK. Good to see them coming back.
@@chrischild3667 get one, quick 😉
Have one for commuting now for just one a year and totally love it! Perfect for inner-city driving and parking. And while it might not be the fastest EV to get to motorway speed, it's certainly not slow. Especially not accelerating from 0-50 km/h / 0-31 mp/h which it does in 3.9 seconds. See a free spot at a roundabout? It's yours! It's fun and nimble and there are very few non-EV cars that will beat this sub-urban ninja magic carpet ride if they're not paying full attention. LOL.
Works perfect for my daily 80 km round-trip to work (40%city /60% highway ). Cold weather? It starts without a single sign of protest. Above 100 km/h it starts to clearly become less efficient due to it's shape, but in summer, with air-conditioning on I've seen it hit good consumption levels of around 11,9 kWh/100 km when cruising at 100 km/h.
I love my 20 plate Citigo e. Basic electric driving at its best. No fuss, just drives! I appreciate a key, my sister had her Ford stolen with keyless entry! Say it all!
I have one, perfect for my city centre work commuting, always easy finding parking in city centres.
Negative is the lousy app and crash safety.
Nice battery size for such a small car😮
Wish we could get these in the US although my 2016 Chevy Spark EV is almost identical save for the 140hp and 327lb ft of torque. All I need is the battery pack this Mii has and I would be very satisfied!
I have told everyone who cares the e-Up,Mii & Citigo are brilliantly efficient EVs. Test drive both the former 2 years ago. (I own the petrol VW Up). Refined, very nippy, but I could not believe the efficiency. 4.5 mi/kWh on a cold winter rainy day. Utterly bizarrely, Skoda had stopped producing theirs at that time. VW also had stopped production. And Seat were saying they were not going to producing any more. WTF?! For a properly budget EV city car it is brilliant. And perfect for someone like my elderly Dad as cabin so “normal” with no screens everywhere and a normal auto shifter and handbrake.
The 71 plate seat mii is right at the end of production!
@@spikebmth Like some weird conspiracy. Brilliantly priced, efficient and fit for purpose city car EV. Then stop producing them, when it has every chance of selling loads and loads. And then announce a city car EV platform, that won’t be here for another few years!
We have had one of these for 2 years along with a Tesla and I absolutely enjoy to drive this little gocart as well. 🚙 😀It would have been nice to have anti spin on it, as it easyli makes wheel spin when accelerating a bit hard.
The traditional key ignition, gear selector (why not always allow you to have regen on without selecting it?) and the manual handbrake is a bit annoying though.
Ands it goes into eco and eco+ mode when you still have plenty of distance left. At lower range you cannot turn eco and eco+ off again, which makes it quite annoying in winter time to drive as you have no heating on in eco+.
Also the range in winter time is half the range of summer time, so we only get like 100 km range when it's cold.
The trunk is quite nice. It has a lower level, a middle level with a removable separator and the upper level, so you can hide cables and stuff out of the way.
Yes, the winter can take a bit hit on the range, can certainly almost half it!
The adjustable boot floor was an option on the seat mii.
Just bought an eUP! And, I think it’s a hoot! Plus it lets me do Jet Jetson noises and made in Yorkshire jokes with gay abandon!
Just reviewed my driving data to date:
Distance covered: 1,265.1 mi
Av speed: 26.1 mph
Av power consumption: 5.5 mi/kWh.
Which includes a biweekly motorway journey of 106 miles (53 each way).
All of which means I laugh in the face of nearly all other EVs due to its initial low purchase cost, cheap insurance (bought used) and its efficiency. Tesla……pah! And, I’m still doing the Jet Jetson noises as I drive along as well as the made in Yorkshire jokes.
We had two cars (which we decided was one too many for us). Really loved our Mii but as an only car it was a bit limiting. We now have an MG4 and I still cannot get used to the much lower mls/kWhr. I followed a Mii electric recently with more than a tinge of regret, but it doesn't have an LFP battery or VTL which are the reasons we made the switch.
We’re lucky we have a standard range MG4 and a Mii Electric 👍.
@@maesygwartha I have thought about buying another Mii electric for all our local driving. Makes sense, my wife would much prefer a ‘normal’ dashboard with switches and buttons.
Excellent cars and remarkably cheap now at just over 10k.
Great review mate
I saw someone suggesting to put the 100kW motor from an eGolf into one of these to make it a real little rocket, but searching Google doesn't find any evidence of anyone ever doing it. Is it possible, like a pretty straightforward swap?
Wish there was a lot more of them
Looks nice. Good range .
Random thought : can you do a vid on how prices for used Model S have been affected after the RHD cancelled…. I see you only have one online… Tesla themselves only one MS (ignoring the left hookers) …. Some on Autotrader… but looks like less than before the “RHDGate” thing . …
It’s not as though these was suddenly massive demand for them. Not at all. The fact I have only one in stock at the moment is just by chance.
I’d say it steadied the depreciation in some cases but it’s not the case that they all went up in value and sold out
Super insight, cheers 👍👍
Yes, but do you *believe* the car's estimation of the m/kwh efficiency? I've had the Mii for 600 miles now. the dash, and the App tell me it has averaged 6.2 m/kwh. My own calculation of actual kwhs charged up against miles driven come out at 4.8 m/kwh. The longest trip I did, and charged up afterwards, worked out at 5.2 m/kwh. I think the fuel gauge gives a better sense of the range, and efficiency: It has 16 segments marked off, and you can drive it such that each segment will give 10 miles, total 160, average exactly 5 m/kwh. That's reasonable. It's just irritating that Seat/VW can't get it accurate in the software.
Some amazing PCP deals on used versions of this. Way less than petrol savings.
Would be interested to see how this compares to a 2020 Aygo, 15k miles, still has 7 years Toyota warranty and costs £9k
2021 Mii with similar miles is just over 10k and is much nicer to drive and cheaper.
Any concerns about keeping the Jaguar inside?
Ok this, or a similarly priced and aged Zoe? Which has a longer range??????
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Hi Richard have you seen the new volvo car
Looks like a decent first car in ten years time for the daughter…
The crash safety isn’t great, so don’t let the youngsters drive them. I use our to work, and let my wife and kids use the safe Tesla,
@@Harrythehunif you can afford one…
@@Harrythehunit's perfectly safe. Look at the Euro n'cap rating!
@@Harrythehun.just forget the £10k per year insurance for a new driver.
@@justinholding02 Three stars isn’t great
Would love one, 10k poss get one?
It's ok but for that price you are now looking at 38 kw ionic's of similar age with slightly higher mileage and much more advanced by a galactic mile.
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Over an i3 ?
maybe the ev's need a aerodynamic nose addon for motorway driving to help?
Of all the electric cars I’ve seen, from teslas to MGs this is the one I want the most. I just need to work out which child will need to sit on the roof….
I mean this is ridiculous saying this is an affordable budget car it certainly isn't 15k for a used car you could buy a new vw up for this money
Yer, but my night rate is 10p kWh. He recons five miles per kWh, that's 2p per mile!!! Beats my Fiesta and a VW Up. My sons night rate is 7.5p so it's almost free driving, for life.
32.3kwh usable battery, 130 miles average range, not really great for the price.
Hello mate
11:20 LOL - how do those numbers add up in any way shape or form?
"The car has a 36.8kwh battery"
"He did a 127mile journey"
'Started with 98% got there with 7%"
98%-7% = 91% of the battery used.
91% of 36.8kwh = 33.5kwh.
127miles / 33.5kwh = 3.79miles per kwh not 5.1 miles per kwh per the screen = totally bogus. 127miles at 5.1miles per kwh = 24.9kwh used.
It either has 26% battery degradation (making it a 27.3kwh battery) or the screen wh/mile is way off.
I would have thought a second hand bmw i3 would be better value at £15k
Have loved the 3 i3 have owned except the first one was Lemon. Thankfully was still in warranty. 60ah Rex current 90ah i3 REX
Yeah - I think you could get an i3 90ah Rex for less than £15k. Maybe a year or 2 older but a far better quality car.
@@robertscurr6703 go for the i3s it's actually fun car.
More awkward with the i3 if you are regularly having rear passengers. I3 is a great little car as well but not quite as practical.
I do quite like an i3. We ran one in the company for quite a while and then it needed a very expensive ecu repair.
I now tend to avoid the Rex models as they can be problematic.
This video of the Mii isn’t about which is buy though. It’s just that the Mii is pretty darn good little runaround and it feels brand new at £15k!
For that money, i also like the ioniq’s 👍
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£15k for an electric vw up? 🤣 Would take a £12k Renault zoe over that without a doubt
For that price you get a lower range zoe or one thats comes with battery leasing. Or a much older car and more ineficient by long far.
@@sergigorchs7329 I paid just over £10k for my ZE50 Zoe from 2020 which does 200-250 miles on one change and is a luxury compared to this
@@sergigorchs7329 But the Zoe only comes with one steering wheel.
Don't buy electric
Absolutely correct. Lease deals are the answer, very cheap if you fill up at home.