I have witnessed this same culture of cruelty at every clinic Ive been to. My husband hasnt used anything but methadone for 8 years and his take homes get yanked every so often. Its because the clinics get paid more for patients who come every day. The doctors who work in these clinics are told to sort through the patient records and find patients who they can punish every few months. You will notice the fluctuating lines every few months get longer when this happens. We have been told that we can not discuss loosing take homes in groups now and my doctor told us that she doesnt believe in giving anyone take homes. She has also been heard saying that its not her job to babysit addicts all day. If we get upset, talk back, speak up when someone cuts in line we loose our take homes. If the receptionist gets mad she will tell the patients counselor to punish us. We have paperwork that gets lost between nursing and counselors after we turn it in (ekg's, prescriptions etc) and we get blamed for it, loose take homes. It gives me severe anxiety whenever I enter the clinic.
I witnessed a patient who came in and wanted to go to a group because she was having a bad day, be turned away even when another patient offered to give up their spot for her. We have a 10 person limit on how many can participate in group. Try getting all your groups in with that restriction on you too. They literally have ways set up to make you fail. These aren't state regulations but the clinics are allowed to make up stricter rules if they want to. My sister is dead because she couldn't keep her nursing job and stay in compliance with all of the rules they have. She relapsed and died.
I know what you mean I lost my take homes a couple months ago due to failed UA for taking a prescribed med I refuse to take every day only when needed as I have panic attacks and the clinical director of my clinic knew I was going on a camping road trip deep in the wilderness of the Appalachian mountains out in north Caroline and Virginia all the way from NJ and will be going down the blue ridge parkway and camping a new spot everyday well the clinical director said my failed UA for benzo shouldn’t matter and I should be able to get 9 take homes over Memorial Day weekend an so I started planning the road trip which cost me $800 plus an she calls me on Friday a week before I’m leaving to tell me the doctor wants to see me Monday before he approves them to send to the state to have the state approve them Monday (Yesterday) is only 2.5 days before I’m leaving I go in expectation of him approving them he tells me I failed 3 UAs in the last week of April an first week into May and I’m clearly using and I told him I’m not using I took a benzo that stays in your system for 7-9 days an I got UA 3 times in those 9 days an I couldn’t get another UA until June bc my insurance will not pay for them so I told him the clinical director said you can clearly see the levels in my urine go down an he said it doesn’t matter and he couldn’t approve them bc the state didn’t approve the take homes I told him he was lying flat out to my face bc the clinical director who is above him told me the state approves the take homes after you approve them and send the request to the state through he said “WHO TOLD YOU THAT?” I said the clinical director she is my counselor since y’all are understaffed he said she shouldn’t have told me that and he said he doesn’t care he doesn’t feel like approving them anyway and I told him I spent $800+ on this trip for you to tell me no after I was told yes already you don’t understand basics of drugs an how long they stay in your system you need to get a new fucking job you loser pos I bugged out slammed the door of the clinic open and left texting the clinical director and she apologized for the doctors behaviors and said she is making him send the request through to the state and to try and calm down and that she is overriding him… This morning I was approved but she knows I lost my job my pet to cancer my mom to cancer lost my fiancé all in a year an that I needed this vacation before I start my new job to help my mental health which is why she helped me out but these doctors are heartless judge mental AHs at these clinics who don’t care about us and if I didn’t get a response from the clinical director I most likely would have relapsed in Fent I was so stressed an depressed and ready to crash out
Jesus 🤦♂️ Im sure I sounded like yall back when i was still getting clean with methadone. After yall been clean a few years, you'd realize just how ridiculous yall sound in these comments. To claim the doctors are just sadistic assholes who randomly choose patients to punish, and that they get paid extra for it? 🤣 get over yourself! Its a private business, and the doctors have a responsibility to try to hold patients accountable, and due to the lifestyle of H addicts, which i was one of for years, they HAVE to treat the patients like children to try and teach them how to be functional members of society again. And its true, people will sometimes get screwed cause they dont always give everyone the benefit of the doubt, and you know why? Cause H addicts are liars! At least till they get clean. Being dishonest is often required to score or even to survive on the street, but youl gotta start adjusting yourself to how normies treat other normies.
@@ThxGd4THC This is so sad. I am a counselor at a methadone clinic in WA and I have watched the change from punitive measures to lifting all of these regulations and ridiculous rules. We are the epitome of harm reduction today and I am so proud of that. We don't require full abstinence or groups. People can obtain weekly carries within their first month if they complete a few easy things and reach a stable dose. There are others like us I'm sure.
@crystalmorgan2019 so refreshing to hear more clinics leading the charge in true harm Reduction . Fortunately, 1 of 2 local clinics is also amazing like this. The other is a great example of a clinic stuck in the dark ages. Night and day differences.
Can we talk? I’ve been on 6 years and I’ve thought about this as a life long option. Though I have no dirty drug screens have been sober I get mine taken every so often for issues usually of their own doing and this gives me anxiety. Today I go in and now have to cancel a trip because their WiFi is down
@@samxlx That’s shocking here in Ireland everyone gets takeaways now of course you can and will be called in at any time during the year and if you give a dirty you are knocked over to daily’s for months even years. It’s a trust issue and that’s that. I’ve lots more to tell you about my own journey
All clinics are NOT the same.. I have been at my clinic for 10 years. I know that if I don't have methadone and the structure of the clinic and its rules, I will die well before I should. Something that is clear to me is alot of addicts don't take responsibility for their own fck ups. They break a rule and then blame the clinic...I see it all the time. Being compliant with the program isn't hard if thats really what you want. They lay it all out for you when you start the program. If you can't follow the rules, don't waste your time or their their time.
The way this problem is operated around in the states is fucking ridiculous. Have some empathy for fuck sake. It's like you want people to be addicted and have hard lives. Change needs to happen. Getting results is so punishment centric and not person-centric. It's not "how can we help the person efficiently and give them a sense of agency" but it's supposed to be. Insane.
Hi guys I'm on 60mg of methadone for about 1 month maybe a month and a half any advice please help me get through this i'm trying to come all the way off
It took me a year to be able to get monthly take homes. I get take home doses for a month, I have to take one there at the clinic, then I take 27 take home doses. Since it is a class 2 narcotic, they make you earn the take home doses, so you do not overdose on methadone. There was a guy that went to a clinic I used to go to, he died in the parking lot, in his car from a methadone overdose. It can be abused like anything else.
Cms is pretty good. In Arizona you can smoke weed and drink. If you have state insurance you can get a ride everyday. Now everyone gets 3 take homes week. No matter what.
How would she not know there is a zero tolerance policy for drinking ? It would make sense why they would have a 0 alcohol policy because mixing opioids and alcohol together is a really bad idea. I hope she can recover and if she didn't know then that's the medical system's fault.
MAT should be far more accessible in the United States. We don’t have a suboxone/methadone epidemic, we have a fentanyl and xylazine epidemic. That said, these days there is very little reason to use methadone as a MAT modality. Suboxone has so much lower abuse potential and can be picked up at a pharmacy or better yet suboxone (sublocade) injected once a month. Access to these life saving medications really boils down to living in a red or blue state. Progressive states offer suboxone to those without health insurance regardless of drug test results. Sure you might only get a 7 day supply but it definitely beats the clinic every day. In long term recovery there are states that will give you 3 months at a time.
Suboxone made me very sick and I was still able to take several pain pills and get high. Methadone blocks it for me and satisfies that craving so I dont even want to get high anymore. There are many options for the many different kind of people, what works for you may not work for others.
Suboxone doesn't work for everybody. I go to the clinic one time a month to pick up my methadone. If you're not using and working and doing the right thing, if you're lucky enough to have a decent clinic you're time. I have had take homes 8 years. Never had any reason to lose them. But then if someone does have a small reoccurrence, ripping them away shouldn't be the answer.
Methadone has been shown in numerous studies to be more effective for more severe OUD. It’s a full agonist, naturally it’s going to be better than the partial agonist Suboxone is. I tried Suboxone for 6 months & it just never took away the cravings like methadone does. I assure you, you’ll find thousands with the same experience. It’s simply not as effective at curbing cravings.
I have witnessed this same culture of cruelty at every clinic Ive been to. My husband hasnt used anything but methadone for 8 years and his take homes get yanked every so often. Its because the clinics get paid more for patients who come every day. The doctors who work in these clinics are told to sort through the patient records and find patients who they can punish every few months. You will notice the fluctuating lines every few months get longer when this happens. We have been told that we can not discuss loosing take homes in groups now and my doctor told us that she doesnt believe in giving anyone take homes. She has also been heard saying that its not her job to babysit addicts all day. If we get upset, talk back, speak up when someone cuts in line we loose our take homes. If the receptionist gets mad she will tell the patients counselor to punish us. We have paperwork that gets lost between nursing and counselors after we turn it in (ekg's, prescriptions etc) and we get blamed for it, loose take homes. It gives me severe anxiety whenever I enter the clinic.
I witnessed a patient who came in and wanted to go to a group because she was having a bad day, be turned away even when another patient offered to give up their spot for her. We have a 10 person limit on how many can participate in group. Try getting all your groups in with that restriction on you too. They literally have ways set up to make you fail. These aren't state regulations but the clinics are allowed to make up stricter rules if they want to. My sister is dead because she couldn't keep her nursing job and stay in compliance with all of the rules they have. She relapsed and died.
I know what you mean I lost my take homes a couple months ago due to failed UA for taking a prescribed med I refuse to take every day only when needed as I have panic attacks and the clinical director of my clinic knew I was going on a camping road trip deep in the wilderness of the Appalachian mountains out in north Caroline and Virginia all the way from NJ and will be going down the blue ridge parkway and camping a new spot everyday well the clinical director said my failed UA for benzo shouldn’t matter and I should be able to get 9 take homes over Memorial Day weekend an so I started planning the road trip which cost me $800 plus an she calls me on Friday a week before I’m leaving to tell me the doctor wants to see me Monday before he approves them to send to the state to have the state approve them Monday (Yesterday) is only 2.5 days before I’m leaving I go in expectation of him approving them he tells me I failed 3 UAs in the last week of April an first week into May and I’m clearly using and I told him I’m not using I took a benzo that stays in your system for 7-9 days an I got UA 3 times in those 9 days an I couldn’t get another UA until June bc my insurance will not pay for them so I told him the clinical director said you can clearly see the levels in my urine go down an he said it doesn’t matter and he couldn’t approve them bc the state didn’t approve the take homes I told him he was lying flat out to my face bc the clinical director who is above him told me the state approves the take homes after you approve them and send the request to the state through he said “WHO TOLD YOU THAT?” I said the clinical director she is my counselor since y’all are understaffed he said she shouldn’t have told me that and he said he doesn’t care he doesn’t feel like approving them anyway and I told him I spent $800+ on this trip for you to tell me no after I was told yes already you don’t understand basics of drugs an how long they stay in your system you need to get a new fucking job you loser pos I bugged out slammed the door of the clinic open and left texting the clinical director and she apologized for the doctors behaviors and said she is making him send the request through to the state and to try and calm down and that she is overriding him… This morning I was approved but she knows I lost my job my pet to cancer my mom to cancer lost my fiancé all in a year an that I needed this vacation before I start my new job to help my mental health which is why she helped me out but these doctors are heartless judge mental AHs at these clinics who don’t care about us and if I didn’t get a response from the clinical director I most likely would have relapsed in Fent I was so stressed an depressed and ready to crash out
Jesus 🤦♂️ Im sure I sounded like yall back when i was still getting clean with methadone. After yall been clean a few years, you'd realize just how ridiculous yall sound in these comments. To claim the doctors are just sadistic assholes who randomly choose patients to punish, and that they get paid extra for it? 🤣 get over yourself! Its a private business, and the doctors have a responsibility to try to hold patients accountable, and due to the lifestyle of H addicts, which i was one of for years, they HAVE to treat the patients like children to try and teach them how to be functional members of society again. And its true, people will sometimes get screwed cause they dont always give everyone the benefit of the doubt, and you know why? Cause H addicts are liars! At least till they get clean. Being dishonest is often required to score or even to survive on the street, but youl gotta start adjusting yourself to how normies treat other normies.
@@ThxGd4THC This is so sad. I am a counselor at a methadone clinic in WA and I have watched the change from punitive measures to lifting all of these regulations and ridiculous rules. We are the epitome of harm reduction today and I am so proud of that. We don't require full abstinence or groups. People can obtain weekly carries within their first month if they complete a few easy things and reach a stable dose. There are others like us I'm sure.
@crystalmorgan2019 so refreshing to hear more clinics leading the charge in true harm Reduction . Fortunately, 1 of 2 local clinics is also amazing like this. The other is a great example of a clinic stuck in the dark ages. Night and day differences.
I’m on methadone for 25 years I get a weekly takeaway all good I live my life extremely well and I’m healthy. I don’t drink or smoke. My life is mine.
Can we talk? I’ve been on 6 years and I’ve thought about this as a life long option. Though I have no dirty drug screens have been sober I get mine taken every so often for issues usually of their own doing and this gives me anxiety. Today I go in and now have to cancel a trip because their WiFi is down
@@samxlx That’s shocking here in Ireland everyone gets takeaways now of course you can and will be called in at any time during the year and if you give a dirty you are knocked over to daily’s for months even years. It’s a trust issue and that’s that. I’ve lots more to tell you about my own journey
Same 👍
I've been on methadone now for 2 years and I don't smoke or drink . I'm living like now very happy.🙏
This question is to the lady that this video is about could you please give me an update on how you're doing I'm so sorry what happened to you
That’s ridiculous, here in the uk drug tests don’t include alcohol. Go to chemist once a week and to treatment centre once every 6 weeks.
Wow y’all are lucky
All clinics are NOT the same.. I have been at my clinic for 10 years. I know that if I don't have methadone and the structure of the clinic and its rules, I will die well before I should. Something that is clear to me is alot of addicts don't take responsibility for their own fck ups. They break a rule and then blame the clinic...I see it all the time. Being compliant with the program isn't hard if thats really what you want. They lay it all out for you when you start the program. If you can't follow the rules, don't waste your time or their their time.
Lady, I am truly happy for you, its a thorn in our side but it's... we live?
The way this problem is operated around in the states is fucking ridiculous. Have some empathy for fuck sake. It's like you want people to be addicted and have hard lives. Change needs to happen. Getting results is so punishment centric and not person-centric. It's not "how can we help the person efficiently and give them a sense of agency" but it's supposed to be. Insane.
Sounds just like my clinic in Louisiana. They are gunning for somebody that is trying but the bums can do whatever they want
Hi guys I'm on 60mg of methadone for about 1 month maybe a month and a half any advice please help me get through this i'm trying to come all the way off
Trye "Ibogain" to stop using methadone. Its the best! Google that!
It took me a year to be able to get monthly take homes. I get take home doses for a month, I have to take one there at the clinic, then I take 27 take home doses. Since it is a class 2 narcotic, they make you earn the take home doses, so you do not overdose on methadone. There was a guy that went to a clinic I used to go to, he died in the parking lot, in his car from a methadone overdose. It can be abused like anything else.
Cms is pretty good. In Arizona you can smoke weed and drink. If you have state insurance you can get a ride everyday. Now everyone gets 3 take homes week. No matter what.
How would she not know there is a zero tolerance policy for drinking ?
It would make sense why they would have a 0 alcohol policy because mixing opioids and alcohol together is a really bad idea.
I hope she can recover and if she didn't know then that's the medical system's fault.
Thats good to here,you deserve to be happy.😄
MAT should be far more accessible in the United States. We don’t have a suboxone/methadone epidemic, we have a fentanyl and xylazine epidemic.
That said, these days there is very little reason to use methadone as a MAT modality. Suboxone has so much lower abuse potential and can be picked up at a pharmacy or better yet suboxone (sublocade) injected once a month.
Access to these life saving medications really boils down to living in a red or blue state. Progressive states offer suboxone to those without health insurance regardless of drug test results. Sure you might only get a 7 day supply but it definitely beats the clinic every day. In long term recovery there are states that will give you 3 months at a time.
Suboxone made me very sick and I was still able to take several pain pills and get high. Methadone blocks it for me and satisfies that craving so I dont even want to get high anymore. There are many options for the many different kind of people, what works for you may not work for others.
Suboxone doesn't work for everybody. I go to the clinic one time a month to pick up my methadone. If you're not using and working and doing the right thing, if you're lucky enough to have a decent clinic you're time. I have had take homes 8 years. Never had any reason to lose them. But then if someone does have a small reoccurrence, ripping them away shouldn't be the answer.
Methadone has been shown in numerous studies to be more effective for more severe OUD. It’s a full agonist, naturally it’s going to be better than the partial agonist Suboxone is. I tried Suboxone for 6 months & it just never took away the cravings like methadone does. I assure you, you’ll find thousands with the same experience. It’s simply not as effective at curbing cravings.
She has to be lieing. Alcohol isn't on the drug panel.
They do test for it at my clinic. I lost all my take home doses