Something that makes the comparison between PC and console so difficult for me is the different sets of issues and advantages on PC depending on your build, with high-end, mid-range, and budget builds being completely different experiences. I grew up with a budget PC, I loved playing retro and indie games on it, but my PS3 ran laps around it. I had a mid-range build a couple years ago, sometimes better, sometimes worse performance than Xbox One X, but a much more complicated user experience. Now I own a high-end PC, that completely runs laps around PS5, but it cost me more maybe what the PS4 Pro, PS5 and PS6 would cost me combined, and the experience still isn't perfect, as DF mentioned in the video.
No such thing as a perfect experience. That still doesn't change the fact that you get what you pay for: 1. FREE online. 2. Cheaper games. 3. Mods (more mod freedom). 4. More frequent game discounts. 5. Deeper game discounts. 6. Better graphics. 7. Better frame rate. 8. 21:9 and 32:9 aspect ratio support.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M See, you're inserting your use case into the assessment. But what if you want somewhere to play Fortnite with your friends? Fortnite has free online, it's free to play, it runs great on console. If you're not interested in mods, performance, your TV is 16:9 anyway, etc. You're buying hardware that's significantly more expensive (for your entire list to be true), it'll be harder to use, and you'll play the exact same game. Btw the discounts thing is less true today than it was a decade ago. We just had some pretty steep discounts on console storefronts, and they're very common these days.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M thats why this topic is subjective because not everyone will have the same use the free online will matter only if you play everything with friends but if you are a single player gamer that only plays some free to play games then you dont need subscription, cheaper games only apply to old tittles in my experience with pc and ps5 newer tittles get faster discounts on ps5 on their store fronts and sales go up every time a sale ends so in terms of sales yoi get way more than pc, but new releases cost the same, mods only if you care about them for example only game i mod is skyrim but aside from that i never use them and a lot of people is like that, better graphics yeah and fps too but only if you really care for those you will be surprise how many dont care about one or the other because at the end of the day its the same game and the ultra wide gaming is niche if you want that you werent gonna had a console in mind anyway, those are same arguments as this "the pc can be use for more than gaming thats why the price is worth it" yeah if you wanted for something else but if you only want to game then its pointless if it can do pixar movies
@@PSYCHOV3N0M 1. I dont care about online, used to like 15 years ago but im strictly single player only. 2. Eh, unless we're talking about shady key sellers or those absolutely god awful "PC only" games (bloatware) that PC has then Steam prices to things like PS Store are almost 1:1 identical. 3. The essential QoL fixes for games (especially the older ones) are very good but anything other than QoL is a waste of time in my opinion. 4. That sounds like complete bullshit. 5. Again, havent seen anything that ever blew my mind and made me like "wow this is significantly cheaper compared to its console counterpart", they are more or less the same. 6. Naturally, granted you waste time tinkering with the settings both ingame and in things like NVIDIA CP etc. 7. Very "stuttery" framerate compared to the console experience, the frame time graph is all over the place in PC games. 8. There is not a single thing in this world that I care less about than 21:9 and 32:9 aspect ratio support. And no most of these obviously dont apply to the SUPER high end 5k$ Intel Core i9-14900K, RTX 4090 and DDR5 6400MHz RAM for obvious reasons.
I think its a generational thing that's boosted the popularity of the PC. For me growing up, PC ownership felt isolating as most of the best gaming experiences were had inviting mates round to play on console, sitting on a couch or on the ground, eyes glued to the same tv. The experience was more than the game, it was the company you keep, the in person interactions. Stopping playing to go outside and do stupid shit. With the shift to online that started in the late 2010s, we started to see a lot of young kids gaming with friends, but online with games like minecraft. This meant the younger gen was making those same experiences, but over voice chat and on PC, with less emphasis on playdates. I think that's why so many people today prefer PC. They had more exposure to it growing up and therefore value the benefits it has over consoles. On a related note, I think this is why there is such a low interest in single player games by gen z and alpha...they had less exposure to them growing up and when they think of video games they naturally recall the ones where they played with mates online. All of this is a generalisation, but does explain some of the reasoning behind current trends.
There's also less interest on single player games because they got worse vs the PS2 and XBOX 360 eras. A trend that i absolutely hate about current games is fixed camera angles, i don't want to constantly use the 2nd control stick to adjust the camera, in the N64 years there was no 2nd stick and programmers had to do proper scripts.
@@saricubra2867 the control stick for camera was paradigm shift for console gaming. I wouldn't ever want to go back to gaming without camera control and rely on camera follow from software. Those moments where you couldn't get the camera angle right in those times is just as frustrating as it is to frequently die in demon souls.
@@saricubra2867 theres less interest in single player games because of online gaming, nothing to do with being worse, these kids nowadays sit in online parties choosing games to play together, apex, fortnite, war zone, etc, people are paying to play together and socailise, in the OG ps2 and xbox era that was just starting to be a thing, ps2 didnt even come with ethernet out of the box.
You didnt have mame on your PC, thats why. All the arcade cabinet and emulated games. What is more community based than an arcade game where 2-4 players playing in a single game is normal
I used to exclusively play on console but the increasing subscription costs over time and the fact that i can grow my steam library over generations aswell as all the free steam features (cloud saves, controller customization, remote play, family share, game recording, refund system,... etc) not to mention the steam deck that lets me play in the living room made me realize how much of a better investment pc truly is.
Makes sense tbh, but still, as a pc gamer i feel console might be better for one simple reason, u can just boot up and play... No configs, no driver issues and all that pc bullcrap. I guess if u got a lot of time to play, and want the best of the best, its pc. If u just want to game a lil 1 to 2h here and there, console is better On top of that a gpu is same price as console if not more, a console u can sell previous and buy new one, essentially upgrading the whole system for very cheap
The refund system is one of the most underrated sream features. It basically gives you game demos in a time where demos have become a rarity with lazy and/or shady devs. It also acts as defense against shitty devs like Ubisoft and EA with their broken garbage games.
I kept playing in my console just because I can buy physical games, here in Australia we have a 10 day game guarantee with EB games and 30 days with Amazon AU. I have played almost all games that came out last year and this year and returned half of them if I don't like or sell in the marketplace for $30 less than the Retail price. I subscribe to ps plus Yearly on sale which is half the original price, I am subscribed till 2027, I recently got games like Lego star war, Stranger of Paradise, crisis core reunion, AC Valhalla for free with sub. It pays out for me and most importantly I enjoy the process of getting a physical copy, trading or selling it.
It has been for at least 20 years. But consoles will always have a place because of their convenience and ability to bring respectable performance at a price point that is more appealing to the mass market.
I built a $1,200 pc. Its a generation ahead of my console in capabilities, runs all games on high or ultra 1440p native, and its hooked to my 65in QLED. I set it up exactly like a console and its freaking been amazing. No online payments, cheaper games, better graphics (as mentioned), and mod support. I hit the power button on my pc, pick up my xbox controller and press the main X button, i pick steam or Playnite, and pick my game. Once you set it up right you dont need a keyboard unless you want. I do have a small one thats like a chat pad when I want to use the internet or mess with things. Otherwise, its just a big console. Both Playstation and Xbox exclusives in one place. Highly recommended. Edit: I even join xbox party chat with my console friends and play games together.
@@Thor86- Are you sure about that? Whats waiting a few years, to get the complete edition, cheaper and they run better on midrange PCs than a PS5 If you actually knew anything, the PS ports are normally some of the best ones around. Its only Last of Us Remake of a Remaster thats a bad port. When you see that Nixxes logo, you go. Yep that will scale well, have wide/ultra widescreen. If the PS game has RT, PC will have a better version of it. All the upscaling features etc. An average PC port runs games better than a console does
@@Thor86- the best games ever on console came from pc, GTA, doom, COD, minecraft, skyrim, fallout, deus x, plusa a ton of others, why would i care about waiting for single player 1 and done games?plus the only bad port was TLOU, every other game can run better on a decent pc.
I just built a living room PC. The fact that case manufactures are now also incorporating the case designs that match well in living room setups is a godsend. But to be honest there is no wrong way to game. Have almost all consoles & now that my young boys inherited them, it's awesome to see them just game & experience the entire catalogue of PS4 games that I built up from launch to now. Granted I mostly game on PC now but for them to experience all the different consoles whether on pc, switch, PS4, Game pass all they want to do is play the same games I & my friends play. That right there is a win.
Consoles for me. I like that they are focused/specialized on games. A lot of PC gamers hate that consoles are a closed systems but thats exactly why I like them. Hyper-focused.
I have a high end pc and spend more time on it modding skyrim for ultra graphics playing cyberpunk 4k max setting 4k 120 in cod. I barely touch my ps5@murphy1138
Alex mentions the best part of PC gaming at the end: “backwards compatibility” is so much better on PC. Modern console BC stops at PS4 era and only kinda dips into PS3 era. With PC you have access to games from pretty much ANY era. Can’t put a price on that.
This 100%. That's definitely one of the things that turned me off from the console market. By the end of the PS4 gen, I just started realizing how fragile my library of games was, because it was completely contingent on my old consoles still working (PS2, PS3 and PS4 all had to work for full BC) On PC, you can just emulate the old stuff. And stuff that's not too old usually just works as it is even when you upgrade. Even stuff that's not natively backwards compatible, like a lot of Windows 95/98 games can either be bought in working form on GOG or probably play decently well on a Virtual Machine with some effort (I recently did this with all my old obscure disc-based PC games, and most of them ended up working, although it did take quite a lot of effort, tbf). On the other hand, good luck playing PS1 games on your PS5 if they haven't been rereleased o7 BC and emulation really just makes PC gaming's library absurdly good
If you bought a game on steam 15 years ago, chances are you can still boot it up and play it. And if you can’t, you’re a pcgamingwiki search away from tweaking it into a playable state. And through software, every game from the 6th console generation and prior is easily accessible. Save for some N64 emulation weirdness and occasional compatibility problems.
Not to mention that things like emulation means that ironically the PC can play more Playstation exclusives than any other platform. All the PS4/PS5 games are coming to PC. PS3 and earlier are all emulatable. Eventually the PS4 will be too for any other games. All games come to the PC eventually, one way or another.
I've always gamed on consoles and PC and this generation is the only time I have ever felt like I could have skipped consoles entirely. Theres nothing there for anymore that I can't already have on PC. Consoles used to have quirky custom hardware solutions with expansion ports, "secret sauce" tricks that were console hardware specific, and other little misc touches that made console gaming unique. Ever since the jump to x86 with PS4, it has honestly just felt like barebones PC gaming, except now I can't disable bad anti aliasing solutions and tweak visual settings. There isnt enough high quality console exclusives anymore, it feels pointless to buy in if you can afford a upper mid ranged PC.
The Nintendo Switch is an anomaly, it seems that Nintendo finally beated the SNES and Gamecube on exclusives after more than 2 decades. Super Mario Wonder finally surpassed World from the SNES after almost 30 years, and it's the most unique looking and gameplay wise Mario game ever.
You don't need a high-end PC. I was AMAZED at how well Star Wars Outlaws looked and ran on my 5700 XT. I was worried that the game might not run at all, but I didn't even have to do any tinkering. I built my PC in 2017, and I can upgrade at my leisure. I didn't have to buy A PS4 Pro, a PS5, and then a PS5 pro. I don't have to pay a yearly fee to play my games online. I can use any controller I want. And I've always used my PC in my livingroom on my couch. You don't need a mouse and keyboard. I've got an app that turns my phone into a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard. Incredibly easy to control my PC on the couch. My PC has ways been my main multimedia entertainment device.
@@Patrick-y4d1zit ain’t. There’s nothing objective about that lol. Convenience and accessibility plays a much bigger role than any of you are willing to accept
@@Jeroen4 PC is cheaper PC has better backwards compatibility PC has better forward compatibility PC has the ability to be played on multiple devices PC has the ability to be played on the go on handheld devices PC has the ability to emulate games PC can also be used as a home server PC can be used for work PC has more exclusives PC can play at higher resolutions PC can play at higher graphical settings PC can use mods PC can use any peripherals Just to name a few. PC can do literally everything consoles can do, but better and more stuff they can't do. Tell me, what do consoles have that PC doesn't?
@@Patrick-y4d1z The only things consoles have over PC (that I can think of) are a UI that will never prompt the use of a mouse, compiled shaders for all games (bc of the cookie-cutter nature of consoles; same hardware configuration), and consoles are more idiot-proof than PCs. Other than that, PC is the GOAT.
If you can afford a high-end machine, PC is clearly the superior platform IMO. I switched back from console gaming to PC gaming almost 100%. Why? In my book, consoles have recently lost a lot of their appeal. It basically melts down to three things. 1) Console gaming used to be a synonym of ease of use and relaxed, simple couch gaming. Now, when I launch a game on a console, I often have to update the console itself, then the controller, then the (usually bugged) game, then I have to log in or create an account to get in-game rewards, etc. etc. It takes ages despite my decent connection speed. It simply doesn’t differ from PC… much. 2) Consoles used to have attractive exclusives. Now, everything I can play on my XSX I can also play on my PC, and my PS5 doesn’t really tempt me with exclusives either since all of them eventually come to PC anyway. 3) Both “top” consoles barely cut it anymore in terms of performance in most demanding games when compared to my PC. If the choice is e.g. 1440p, 60 fps, no RT vs. 4K, 70+ fps, full RT, it’s quite simple really. I can name tons of games that both look and run MUCH better on my PC than on my consoles. So, PC it is. Edit: I didn’t even mention things like games unavailable on consoles or superior K&M controls in many titles…
i dont now what your talking about but when i start my ps5 i choose the game and play, on pc there is everytime a problem or a update always fuckin distraction and do not forget pc gets the console port from the game which is mostly bad optimized and you must wait for the new sony exclusives for years to play it on pc and it mostly comes bad optimized. The short indie games on Steam sucks they are boring as fuck and looks like shit.
@@Thor86-You do make some valid points but I disagree on the whole. I built and configured my PC, and I can’t confirm there are always problems. The experience is very similar to console… Yes, PC versions (e.g. the notorious Jedi Survivor) are often badly optimized but TBH, most of them still look and run better than their console counterparts. Hogwarts for instance looks much, much worse on consoles, same with Cyberpunk and many other games. As for distractions, on PC they are more frequent indeed. I always get furious when goddamn antivirus wants something from me mid-game 🤨
Finally, a PC gamer that actually articulates the kind of downgrade that the big consoles are going for. Exactly why? Literally ever since the week came out I've been a Nintendo PC person. And especially this generation with all the Microsoft stuff going immediately to PC on day one and Sony stuff which I don't really like that many of getting ported 6 months to a year later is absolutely perfect. I can get the Nintendo thing one because of its uniqueness and two because they have actual platform exclusives plus to be honest it's just easier to do local multiplayer with Nintendo systems. Everything else if I want a high budget crazy game I'll do it on my mid-range laptop. I will counter argue that one benefit though that none of the consoles have is dealing with asinine Windows systems, the lockdown ecosystem of Mac and the wonderful confusing as fuck world of Linux, particularly having Linux argue with proton and wine in order to make anything viable.
@@Thor86- bahahahaha no silly Sony Pony, the PC is always the superior version of a game, not only that but you can play all the games, endless mods and emulators. Plus every game is above 60 fps.
As a PC gamer, I honestly hate the elitist mentality that PC gaming is the only “correct” way to play games. Not everyone wants to drop thousands of dollars on overpriced components and then dive head-first into configuring and troubleshooting for all of their games. Some people just want to buy some hardware that’s relatively affordable, plug it in, and start playing games. I really do love PC gaming, and I don’t think I’ll ever go back to console, but I’m just sick of people acting like others are inherently wrong for wanting a console. That being said, I’m sure that more and more people are switching to PC gaming since each of the current 3 giant console manufacturers have their own major problems. Sony is hell-bent on destroying their legacy and homogenizing all of their exclusive games (and punishing ones that don’t conform, I.e. LittleBigPlanet or Helldivers). Microsoft have great features (back-compat, dev mode, and Game Pass despite recent price hikes), but they have zero exclusive games worth buying and keep shuttering studios when it’s convenient. Nintendo have become totally complacent; full-price ports/remasters, forced scarcity (Mario 3D All-Stars, NES/SNES Classic), and a garbage subscription service that offers some of the worst emulation I’ve ever seen. In that regard, PC gaming does look like a safe haven compared to the current console market.
I agree with the overall sentiment; however, assuming you are referring to US dollars, "thousands of dollars" is exaggerating the cost of entry-unless you want the absolute best, which (if you want a PC that's console-level specifications-wise or around that) could probably be less than $1000. So while the entry of cost is undeniably higher, you can come out cheaper on the multiplayer (which is free), and probably cheaper games. The "configuring and troubleshooting for all of their games" is also an exaggeration.
I also was a PC gamer until I got twins, which killed the hobby of building, maintaining and configuring a PC for me as when I was done setting it up for my favorite game ready to be played, family duties popped up. So I got an Xbox Series X and not only the convenience of getting directly into the game, but Quick Resume especially gave me back the joy of playing my games, if just for 15-20 minutes before the kids were waking up again. I still have a laptop with an eGPU though for the few games I like to play there, but I rarely get the time to do that.
It all comes down to personal preference i was a pc gamer for almost a decade and i switch to the ps5 becuase i started working from home and i need to use my pc and being in the same place 8 hours a day for 5 days and then just staying im the same place gaming wasnt feeling any good then i stop having fun upgrading the pc and then i just didnt want to be in my office at all unless im working so i just bought the console and olay on the living room and i realize how little i care about fps or resolution i just care about having fun with the games and relax after work hahha
@KriegersBeasts you dont even need to do that, you can boot your pc directly into steam big picture mode. The actual hard part in pcs is knowing how to buy the right components, dealing with drivers and stuff like that.
Having a Nintendo system and a good PC gaming system is pretty much getting every single game out there. The few exclusives on Xbox and PlayStation obviously wouldn't be in there but for the most part having those 2 systems covers just about everything.
I feel like even a 500 dollars pc can run a lot of really cool games, even recent ones, just put on the medium or minimum settings ans have fun, is not like the game is gonna look that bad anyway. PC definitely has a bigger library and lower prices.
Eh, not really, at least not really recent games, most $500 PCs are going to be using pretty low-end integrated APUs, which are fine for e-sports or older games, but are going to really struggle with more recent games, even at bare minimum settings. $850-$1200 is realistically what you'll need to spend on a build/pre-assembled PC to have a good experience with modern games. You can definitely run a lot of games on an older, lower power systems though - I was still gaming on my old i7 2600K w/1060 6GB system until a few months ago, and it handled everything but games from last few years quite well at 1080p. You definitely want a dedicated GPU though, as even my old 1060 is quite a bit faster than just about any APU on a modern processor, but then you're comparing a portion of a CPU die to an entire large PCB dedicated to graphics so of course APUs are going to struggle to compete. I'm old enough to remember when "low" settings meant the game was a pixellated mess of barely distinguishable textures though...times have changed. Most games still look decent at lower settings.
@@yellowblanka6058 Not really, I just found a 500 dollars PC on the internet with Ryzen 3600 and a GTX 1660, that can run pretty much anything at 1080p. I used to have a 1070, and I could run Red Dead and Cyberpunk pretty well in high settings at 1080p, and today I think you can fin similar PCs and laptops for 500 bucks. Threre is a lot of laptops with a 3050 for 650 dollars, so you know, it's not that hard to find a good computer today for a good price.
"PC definitely has a bigger library and lower prices." ... The amount f games does not matter, because we all don't have endless amount of time to spare. And consoles still have the advantage of disks you can buy, play and resell again. With older titles you kinda play them for nothing because you often can sell these for the same price you bought them. The question should always be "what for"? On a TV a gaming PC is not that optimal, as John said. That plug and play is kinda nice of that consoles.
PC gaming is the best in the long term for its backwards compatibility, emulation and stuff. But as an IT engineer i mainly play on consoles for current games. First because the Switch has tons of exclusives but also because i like the plug and play experience. No weird bugs and crashes, no need to update drivers or to tinker graphic settings. I still have a PC for some types of games but holy molly it can be a frustrating experience sometimes when you are unlucky and a particular game doesn't work well on your station. I dont want to troubleshoot, i already do this at work, sometimes i just wanna play.
As someone who was a diehard PC gamer, nowadays I mostly game on PS5 to be honest 🤷♂ - No Windows driver or Graphics driver issues - No component driver issues - No unoptimized ports & having to tinker with game settings - No figuring out random game crashes & googling shit for hours - No need to worry about hackers Overall i just like the console experience better. No fluff, it's just you and the game.
@@21backwards78 Still, a small price to pay for not dealing with all the cheating that is on PC. Also you get 3 games each month and exclusive discounts on the store. Yeah, I'd say 5$ a month is well worth it. And if those 5$ are problematic to you, then maybe modern gaming is not for you. Also, plenty of online games don't require subscription
They both have their place in the market. For example in my case as an enthusiast and hardware collector, I think the following is the way to go (at least for me) Desktop setup (PC), Portable setup (Laptop PC), TV Setup (Console). I play some on each, and some of my favorites that I maybe make multiple playtroughs on, I might own and play them on different platforms. I do understand that not everybody has the buget for all of them. Also for me new releases I mostly get on PS5 because I want to have them in my phisical collection if I care about a certain title. And when they become cheap, I get my favorites also on steam, and enjoy them at even greater quality on my hi end PC.
As a pc gamer, the problem with PC is that it's slowly getting too expensive. Midrange sounds nice but the Midrange is like $1200-$1700 now. If you argue that then you are falling for Nvidia and AMD marketing. The 4070 and 7800XT are midrange cards but they are $500+. The entry starts at $300 now and that means you pc would be around $1000 and will be around the performance of a PS5 and Xbox series X.
Lol alot of pc gamers In the comments will Bash sony and microsoft but AMD and Nvidia are not consumer friendly either. One gives low vram to struggle woth current and next gen games. Other does not give alot of really good features. If your going to play older games from 2 years ago or older then it's great or indie games then it's the best platform.
@@cuteAvancer a GPU that original price was $650 in 2020 now for years later $400 used is a good deal to you? That tells how much Nvidia, and AMD has abandon the Midrange and low end that a care 2 gens old is still midrange price. And the PS5 Pro is going to be stronger than a 6900XT in raster with 4070 level of ray tracing for just $500. Look it up PS5 Pro is using chips from RDNA4
@Anukinihun Then, buy a RNDA4 Graphics card. Oh wait...they don't exist yet. Can't buy a PS5 Pro either. I love buying imaginary things. Usually the embedded chips are great value at the start of every generation but they're still only entry level stuff. The Pros always come out too late before getting kicked to the side since everyone has the original and by time they want to upgrade; they just get new ones. If I'm spending 400 personally; I would just spend extra for a 7900 GRE since they OC really well but there is set budget ranges for everything people buy. I would certainly pick a 7800 XT over a 4060 TI lol. Nvidia hasn't "abandoned" the entry level cards; people buy them all of the time unless Steam is just fabricating reports. They just neutered them and make a ton of money of them. The prices of the older cards aren't going to decay that much when there was very little improvement over the last generation of cards expect at the high end. Especially when they originally got scalped through the roof. 40xx cards are so expensive because they know people bought 30xx at that prices. If you want something affordable and new; you could try waiting for Battlemages lol.
It depends on what games you want to play. I play games like Cities Skylines and Fallout on PC because of mod support. Games like Final Fantasy 16 and Mass Effect I play on my PS5. I am not into MMOs, but I would want to play them on PC if I were.
I was exclusively a PC gamer from between 2000 and 2009, but the forced, artificial end to physical media by deliberately making physical media as cumbersome as possible was the coup de grace for PC gaming for me. That said, the insanely toxic PC gaming community, persistent hardware compatibility issues, and the now insane price for even getting on board the PC gaming train nowadays were also contributing factors. I do maintain a nominal PC gaming presence for the games that I own (basically a now low-end Ryzen 5 3600/RX580 combo) but the PC mostly gets used for creativity and emulation. I occasionally dip into game bundles but I've not bought a specific new game on PC for 12 years now.
I grew up with the classic consoles since the 80's, always had a console around of every generation. I have been into building and gaming on PC since Pentium 3 and even worked at Intel for a big chunk of that time, so I had the funds and connections to get some good hardware. With that...I have always had both a PC and console around and shared time with both. Into my 40's though, it's been more time on the Switch, just because it's so simple and accessible. I will put up with the low res and frames on some games, yet the Switch will play some games completely fine...just to be able to put in the time to finish them. Traveling with the Switch is still the best, so small, great battery life and with a dongle dock, hotel TV playing is possibility. On my PC, I haven't upgraded my GTX1080, it plays a majority of what I have time to play. The problem with the PC, it's really as useful as it's user, some modern users don't have the attention spans or hard work to put into it.
I’ve had my pc for about 3 or 4 wks now and I swear to you I haven’t turned on my PS5 since. Going from console to PC (high end in my case) is drastic, in a good way. Knowing I don’t have to choose between fidelity mode and performance is a breath of fresh air. Seeing games in native 4K/max settings, high fps has opened my eyes to the full potential of video games. Unless Sony goes day and date with PC I’ll still have a PlayStation but it is now a exclusive only machine.
I havent used my high end gaming pc for years since i play on ps5 which is more relaxing, simple i can play the sony exclusives day one and the games are way better optimized than the bugged pc ports;)
I was born as a PC gamer but I immediately fell in love with consoles (with SNES and PS2) and played mainly there for most of the time. Three years ago my old laptop broke and I was tired of playing games on PS4, so I decided to sell it and get a gaming laptop. Initially it was hard to go back to PC, no more plug 'n play, bugs, optimization problems, stutters, etc... But little by little I got used to it again and decided to buy a new laptop with an RTX 4050. Certainly, under certain wait, it's not as powerful as a PS5, but in general, as a PC, it offers me more freedom and customization of the experience, and this is perhaps the thing that keeps me on PC the most at the moment. For example, Dragon's Dogma 2 has a much better framerate than the PS5, even though it runs at a lower resolution. Sony exclusives, on the other hand, have some optimization problems on PC compared to many multiplatform games, so much so that Forspoken and Forbidden West run much better on a PS5 than on my laptop. But overall, PC offers more customization and better performance than PS5 on all other games. Last thing, the screen. For Ps5 I would have to buy a separate screen, while my laptop already has a 144hz full hd screen, good for technologies like Frame Generation. In short, for the moment I will continue to play on PC, but PS5 It's a good machine.
I’ve switched back and forth between home computer and console over the decades. From OG XBox through PS4 Pro I was a console gamer. Tried Series X but quickly found this console generation just wasn’t working for me. Switched to PC. Best move I made. I emulate what I need from Pong through PS3. PS4/Series X games I’ve got the PC versions of. And the last couple of years I’ve been playing mostly really great indie games. House Flipper 2, American Arcadia, Moving Out 2, etc. Puffin Planes is looking like a must buy when it releases later in the year. For reference I’m running the PC 99% in Steam Big Picture on a 55” 4K living room TV.
I recently discovered a good workaround to PC gaming... cloud gaming. I've been playing AAA games on my Surface Pro 9 lately. The games are on max settings and running smooth with little to no drop in quality or performance. Cloud gaming subscription cost is also cheaper than building or upgrading a PC every few years.
And instead of a clean pure stream to your monitor you have a video encoded (with all the quality sacrifices necessary) and transmitted to you with a delay. What?
Cloud gaming is not the answer if you're bothered by latency and paying ANOTHER subscription service fee. Any games that require quick reactions are instantly out because you are getting a video feed from the server running your game and having to transmit your reactions back and forth. Cloud gaming will never win over people who care about performance, there is too much latency and performance cost when using it. Regardless if you think there is no hit to performance or quality, there is absolutely a measurable, discernable difference between native and cloud gaming.
As someone who just wants a high frame rate while still being able to play at 1080-1440p base res. The pc just seems like a much better experience for that atm. I’ve been a primarily console gamer but the start of this Gen sold me on high frame rate and it’s been hard to have to sacrifice so much resolution to get the high frame rate on consoles over the last 2 years. DLSS seems to make such a huge difference in being able to boost the overall frame rate while keeping a good IQ. Additionally the lack of an ongoing sub cost to be able to play online is something I appreciate on PC. It made sense to sub cost wise when the subs were roughly $60 a year but costs on Xbox and psn have increased significantly recently and it makes the overall value prop of PC finally better for me overall
Only for previous gen games. For current gen, no matter the gen, console is always more optimized and stable in my experience. That’s where devs spend their time and effort because it’s worth the money.
I always end up back on PC no matter what console I buy. Console feels so restricted and controlled. The performance and visuals on PC usually exceed the console. There's no denying the convenience of consoles. I also like the fact that on some games, you can choose which controller to use at the same time or mouse. I would still choose a mid range PC over console. Backwards compatibility is great on PC. You don't need a high-end PC to enjoy it.
I feel like the best part about PC is that you choose the experience you want to have with the game. You have full control over the resolution, graphics settings, aspect ratio & frame rate especially fine tuning the experience with mods
Also, things like emulation on newer machines being so efficient. You can pick up something like the ROG Ally and emulate PS3 games on a 30W APU. Over time as APUs get more and more powerful, that means better and better efficiency rather than these old huge inefficient games consoles.
Let's face it, that's not really the case though is it? If you've a low to mid range pc you need to either choose resolution or frame rate. You've also to be more careful with the display you use. If you've a 1080p display then you'll be fine, but outside of that you will have to choose. 4K is completely out of the question if you want a good frame rate, outside of a high end pc. 4K is very demanding.
@KriegersBeasts you've a level of consistency on the console that you don't have with low to mid end PCs. PC ports are also an afterthought to most developers. I've a PC and all the consoles btw. I mostly play on PC.
I used to play exclusively on PC. Built all of them myself. Relished in the options of customisation that PC affords. World of Warcraft and Vietcong Multiplayer were my bread and butter. But as I get older I now gravitate towards consoles more and more. Maybe because of my job sitting in front of a computer I don't want to do the same in my free time. Also, it's just easier. You press a button and you are playing. No settings, nothing to worry about... I do own a PC... it's getting old at this point, but I can still play games that aren't suited to consoles like strategy games and FPS. Right now I am playing Cyberpunk on the PC and am enjoying it, but anything else I wouldn't even consider playing it on PC. Games like Elden Ring I just want to enjoy on a big screen while sitting comfortably on a couch. At the moment I have the PS5 for the "blockbuster" games like Elden Ring, the Switch for more indie stuff, Nintendo games and games I want to play on the go and then the aging PC for anything that isn't available on the previous 2 or isn't a good fit.
@@Z3t487 then we wouldn't be using the word objectively right? I know people these days hijack words, but this one is pretty cut and dry to me. Price, and ease of use are probably the 2 biggest factors for consoles to exist, and the fact that there are hundreds of millions of people playing on console vs PC, this question being asked has a pretty clear answer, no, no is the answer.
PC is objectively better. Consoles exist to this day because they are the dumbed down version for the masses. That's why consoles still exist. The masses is where the big money is at. Don't kid yourself, the bottom line is what drives the world. And it's no wonder why PCMR have for decades cursed consoles because they cap games! On PC we can do sooooo much more than on consoles. Take 4090, for instance. Not even the future PS7 will be able to do what a 4090 does.
That's not true. People don't always go for the best choice. They also get taught those bad habits as kids. If a parent puts a controller in the kids hands instead of a keyboard, they are burdening them for life. Even worse if they put a touchscreen instead of a controller. As with anything with humanity, it comes back to the way they're raised. Humans are blank slates when born.
This is an objectively big problem with pc gaming. I almost never play online, but is really easy to stumble into cheaters and the annoying competitive gaming losers that just won't let you enjoy a game in peace. That's why I dislike online only games.
Being able to have my choice of machine (whether desktop or mobile), as well as the immense back catalogue, and really good emulation of old consoles, and mods, the flexibility is absolutely unmatched. If you’re only after the new AAA titles, a console makes more sense, but a PC pretty much corners everything else.
Not really because you can play all the AAA games on a PC anyways. Only point of getting a console is if you wanna play latest AAA games with a limited watered down experience and don't have the attention span to deal with minor quirks that may occasionally pop up with PC gaming.
@@Unicornpirate While correct if we’re not including cost and ease of use, a gamer only looking at AAA gaming is using a small fraction of the PC platform’s real strengths. In this case, the value proposition becomes much worse for PC. Someone looking to experience a bit of everything though, the PC platform will happily provide.
@@Lauren_C True but most console gamers don't even care for exclusives or AAA games like Elden Ring.. The ones that I know mostly play games like Fortnite, Rainbow Six Siege, Overwatch, Minecraft, COD, GTA, Rocket League.
Steam Controller is amazing for turning your PC into a home console experience, makes navigating the desktop a breeze. Really wish they'd make 2nd iteration of it.
I tried so hard to love the Steam Controller, but could just never get used to the feel of it and how much configuration was needed to have it work the way I wanted it to. But I have a Steam Deck now, and I would kill for them to copy its controls over to Steam Controller v2. It's the perfect mix of Xbox-like "just works" on many games, with all the configuration of the Steam Controller v1.
I've got an app on my phone that turns my phone into a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard for my PC. You should look into that. You always have your phone. It makes it incredibly easy to control your PC on your couch.
I have both PS5 and PC (7900xt). Console wins in the fact that it just works, ease of use, not Windows, far less hackers with crossplay options and is start-up cost efficient. Pc wins in brute force, doing everything and flexibility. However, things like random bad drivers, part/paste replacements, hacking, anti-cheat processes, and Windows can be large deterrents for a lot of people.
This is getting old, but what matters the most is the ecosystem around, as John pointed out. Your particular ecosystem. That's why it'll never be "objectively" better.
Of course it can be objectively better. If it has better performance, better games, better compatibility etc etc etc. Then you can say it's objectively better in anything measurable.
The benefits of PC for me: precision mouse control for shooters. Emulators, broad catalog of PC and console exclusives, real time strategy, games that don’t make it to console. Also playing PS4 era games that were locked to 30 fps on console, at 60 or higher FPS. Plus, can take a gaming laptop/handheld on the road or around the house. Also DRM-free games on GoG. High frame rate gaming and mods. Lots to like.
I've been living-room PC gaming for years and it's simply excellent. I have a small keyboard/mouse lap-pad setup to handle the UI, but once I'm in a game it can be 100% controllers. Also, the "legwork" for tweaking games is entirely up to your own appetite. You can try to eek out the best quality/performance balance ... or just set to "medium" or "high" and leave it at that. There's a "it just works" reputation for consoles, but the PC experience really is acceptable and has been for years. For a serious gamer there are soooooo many pros vs. not many cons. The only deal-breaking con is the initial cost of entry (games are often much, much cheaper).
Until it becomes as easy and seamless as console no, yes it’s getting easier, but having to log into or download different programs for even mouse and keyboards, downloading different launchers, driver updates, compatibility issues (steam deck or Linux) Consoles arent going anywhere and thats a good thing, now valve has come and made the best pc handheld imo and that’s because it has the most console like experience. I hope they make another steam machine and sell them for a competitive price and it inspires others to make prebuilt powerful tv box pc’s . Console plug and play is unbeatable.
The answer isn’t as simple as a yes or no. For a PC, it depends on your hardware, and for a console, it depends if a specific user feels like they need or want one. For me, i play on both PS5 and PC, and if a game on either platform has issues(Think RE8 on PC when it had those huge lag spikes) that made me decide to buy the game on PS5. Cyberpunk on PS5 in backwards compatibility mode looked super blurry and crashed nonstop with countless bugs. So i refunded it and got it on PC, where i had no crashes and a very small amount of bugs.
To me using the steam deck which is basically a low end pc hardware wise proved that I would rather have a deck or lower end pc then a console. The much better and easier access of thousands of games from any generation just wins. Sure there is some new games that you might miss out but isn't enough to tip the scales. Console is more about the user experience that the person wants. A hardcore person will always get more of the PC but a casual probably just wants to download a game or put a disc in and just play after a long day. I can completely empathise with that and if I didn't grow up being heavily interested in tech I could see myself being mainly a console player instead.
@@Bargate The Deck is a great piece of hardware, so i can’t fault you for that. Being able to play PC games from generations ago - modern games on the go is really nice. Mhm, i do love PC gaming, especially the ability to mess around with graphics settings. A Plague Tale: Requiem at max settings looks insane. It’s good to have a console alongside a PC just incase a company release a not so good version on one platform. That’s why i mainly have a PS5 and PC. Another reason is that certain games are just designed to be played on a PC, like Baldurs Gate 3
If you just wanna game? Hell no. Lots and lots of issues that can drum up any moment and ruin your experience, hundred things can go wrong, a game could run incredibly well for many but run terribly for you. Happened to me with Ghost of Tsushima, Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted 4, Outer Worlds and the like. Then there could be a game that runs like crap and it would work fine for you. Cyberpunks was like that for me. Console, for all its issues, ensures that the games run well. You can literally close your eyes and buy the game you want to play without having to think about whether the game will run well or not. That’s the strength of the console that the pc will never match. A true plug and play experience. No drivers, no additional software, no DRM like denuvo. Install and play
Consoles do not ensure a game will run well there are countless games on console that absolutly do not run well and I don't know what you mean by no DRM because every single game on console these days has DRM also every time you get a console update that's a driver update
bahahahaha dream on. Playing a game on PC is much easier experience than console plus you dont need to pay just play online. The game loads faster, more responsive, better frame rate, more graphical options, mod support. It just goes on and on.
How can you be watching digital foundry, a channel that has a LONG list of videos showing consoles struggling with games over the years and say console garuntees good performance lol
Puh, tough question. I'd say that it depends heavily on the consumer and on the consumer only. I'd like to give another point to consider: PC games often require anti-cheat software that needs access to your kernel, so they basically have access to everything on your Windows PC. I assume that in most cases Windows is not ONLY used for gaming but for office etc. and often has stored critical data. Personally, for me, that is a red line. Hence, I bought an M3 Max MacBook Pro for both work and gaming (whatever runs, eh? WoW and such things) and I am super happy with my decision. Alongside my Mac, I own a PS5, a Series X, a Switch and all those fancy iOS-devices. Gamewise, I am good, and thanks to crossplay, I only miss a few games that have no native Mac version or a console iteration.
PC is the best place to play because you get access to xbox and playsation games and its also cheaper because there are no hidden costs and you can upgrade your components while you have to buy a new console each generation. You buy a PS5 for $500 and you pay $400 over 5 years to play online that is $900 plus the average cost of games are cheaper, you have tons of storefronts to choose from and when you compare their prices to PSN you save a lot. When people tell you that you save money by buying a console its a myth.
Many gamers don't need that online capability, especially on Playstation with it's wonderful single player experiences. And for some of those games you do not even need that. Famous Fortnite run on XBox without Game Pass Core. Like Alex and John said: it's the UI which is much better on this console for a TV experience. Although I am a PC gamer I use a Series X on a TV and since I have it I play even more on than ever. Cost me 350 € used with some games like RDR2 some 2 years ago. Bought some new titles on disk and sold them again when I was done. So especially considering costs I have no complains. A similar used PC with that 2080/ 3060 Ti some 2 years ago would have cost like double or triple of that Series X. And it would not have that TV friendly UI, it would not be as sleek and small... So for me the best platform is NOT the one with the most games ... it actually can only be the platform you play most.
You can trade-in consoles. PSN has sales all the time. PC upgrades are more expensive than buying a new console, can't resell games, more power usage, way more hackers, bugs and broken ports. PC is better in some ways but not perfect
If anything selling parts is just as easy because all of your games still work perfectly with the new GPU/CPU. You don't have to keep it around for old titles.@@lon3wolf642
If you start with a low end pc, you still have access to most if not all games as long as you optimize settings, if you upgrade parts then you'll slightly more access to games (newer titles) but most gems are usually a few years old and work fine and won't look any different in lower settings.
I have a current gen console but it largely gathers dust. I play mostly on PC with many of the games I like (cRPGs, flight sims and strategy games) just being best (or often only) on PC. When I want to play a AAA console type game from the couch I stream it at max settings to a mini PC in the theatre room which with Sunshine and Moonlight using AV1 encoding is a fantastic experience.
One thing that people often forget is that consoles can use physical media like Blu-Rays or cartridges with the Nintendo Switch. That in my mind makes console gaming superior to PC imo. With that said i still love PC gaming but over the years I have come full circle back to console gaming and now I enjoy both console and PC.
@@KrazzeeKane Game publishers don't make bd or cartridge or any other physical media games anymore. I'll go back to PC when physical media has been completely abandoned by the big 2. That's where I'll be pirating. Never going to pay for a digital license rental only to have it taken away when a service goes away.
For me the best plataform for gamer is the one you feel comfortable with in terms of performance, graphics, etc be it a pc or a console it comes down to each gamer basically some will prefer the pc others the consoles and thats fine 🤷🏻♂️
When you are talking about "the best gaming platform" you just cannot exclude contra arguments like general efficiency, driver issues, shader compilations, ease of use, pricing etc. Edit: I only criticised the user's question. I watched the beginning of the video and then wrote this comment.
the windows experience is pretty streamlined at this point, and driver issues are no where near as common as they are made out to be. and if you were to have an issue with a driver you can usually fix it with the keybind that resets your drivers
@@DeadPiixxel Nope. If you want to play the best games out there, you need a Switch. Sorry to burst your bubble, and please spare me the spiel about how you emulate Switch games in 4K at 120 fps. I've heard that nonsense before, and it is still too much of a project fiddling with settings right now. It is far from a convenient and superior experience.
As someone who mostly plays PC now, no. Consoles just work. I believe most people don't tend to notice or care about 4K/1080p, 30-60fps, even game settings. Medium with upscaling looks fine. With PC I'm constantly troubelshooting. While I do enjoy that to a certain extent as I like to consider myslef tech savvy, between my Bazzite living room PC and Windows 11 desktop it can get tiresome. Booting something up on my One X, PS4 Pro or Steam Deck just feels great (with most issues experienced on SD, namely Rockstar games and cloud saves - damn you Social Club). For a simple and straightforward experience, where you just want to turn your device on and have it play a game, I'll always recommend console. If you want a larger library, longer term cheaper, better performing and more versatile experience, then go PC. After experiencing Steam Deck and Bazzite, I can't wait for Valve to make Linux gaming more accessible.
I work in it, I am tech savvy but I honestly don’t want to play on pc. Gaming is relaxing for me and I’m not able to do this at the same place where I’m working (remote). Plus really I hate min maxing games setting or windows in general. I just want to sit down on my couch and play some games and them to just work (even when I’m offline)
Yes, I personally think so. And I'm not saying that mindlessly as a PC 'elitist'. I was a console gamer my entire life until 2018, when I sold my consoles and made the leap to PC gaming. As someone who's been on both sides, I personally view PC gaming as the superior option by far. I could NEVER go back to consoles at this point.
multi monitor support, possible audio setups capable for hifi, multitask, working machine, no online fees, cheaper games, emulation for anything at least till and inclusing the ps3, backwards compatibility, free peripheral choice including any console option, modding, best possible browsing experience with adblocker, steam being gigachad thanks to gaben, esports, indi games, most genres of games, best possible gaming experience and many many more things i cant think of right now. i dont have any problems with console but you dont know what you are missing if you havent had all these great things. and when you think about pc cost ask yourself do you own a mac or laptop just for working besides your console ? if so you dont evaluate the cost of a good pc as this is already THE working machine. psplus essential for 7 years is 755 euro. pc has more initial cost but dont underestimate the long time cost of consoles
Now tell me how much of this crap you just mentioned has value to the average consumer. What the average Joe wants is put in a disc and being able to play the game as quickly as possible. The only one that does it the fastest is the console. The only gaming product that will give you consistently good performance over the years is a console. It’s the best investment you can make when it comes to gaming. PS4 still has games releasing for it this year. Find me a pc the price of a ps4 that released in 2014 that can play games in the way a ps4 can. You won’t be able to. That’s where the value lies.
@@Ballistic-vn6emI'll point out the first fallacy by saying you can just "put a game in and get straight into the game". You buy a console game now, you take it home and you put it in and you WAIT for the day one patch or in some rare cases, the entire game to download and THEN you play. You buy a game on Steam (or GoG, Epic, Etc.) and the second it downloads you have the latest version already patched and ready to play.
@@distantblaze561 you literally need to ASSEMBLE PARTS in order to make the machine works, then install drivers and, in some cases, find a good combination of options to play the game with a good amount of frames per second. Also, you need to make sure that the parts you bought will actually support the games you wanna play. No, friend, don't even try to compare consoles to pc in that regard.
It all depends on the gamer. I'm the type that prefers an under-spec PC over a PS5. I have a PS5, but the games that are available to me on my low-mid-range PC have me so busy that I often forget I have a PS5. As someone who enjoys a very wide range of generations and settings to tinker with for different / superior experiences, for me, the PC is objectively the best. What other platform will allow me to play F-Zero GX in HD with a steering wheel whilst listening to extreme metal music? I can't think of another.
I sit at a desk for my work. I don't want to sit at a desk for my leisure time. Hence I will almost always get the console version of a game, as I prefer to chill out on my big comfortable sofa... I tried using my laptop like a console for Baldur's Gate 3 - with the laptop connected to my TV and using a bluetooth controller. It was not a very enjoyable experience, even when using Steam big picture mode. I'd often have to get up and fanny about with driver updates and other annoying things, which you just don't have to do with consoles.
@@OcarinaHero93 "A laptop is a portable computer that you can use anywhere, while a desktop personal computer (PC) is a stationary computer that sits on a desk or table." Lenovo duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhuhuhhuhuhuhuhuh Go get your GED.
I went to my sisters place and played on her Pc, and as a console gamer I can confidently say that i will never buy a console ever again. What sold me was mainly the fps, the smoothness and the graphics. When i came home and booted my dusty ps4 pro i turned it back off after 30 mins of playing. It was slow, laggy and just boring. I’m not getting a ps5 or a ps6 and looking forward for a pc.
Heck, even a PC at 60Hz feels better than console because i found a Samsung Syncmaster 955DF 4:3 1440p CRT monitor and i played Hades on it. It looks so painterly on that monitor, it's like watching a bright printed art that moves. Consoles are gaming tech dictatorship, you are stuck with that hardware and software, PC is freedom.
Experience is inherently subjective and I like the console experience more than PC. I used to be a PC gamer for 20 years, but I switched in the early years of the previous generation and never looked back. I like the plug and play nature of it, I don't want to spend time upgrading my hardware, I don't want to deal with Windows etc. I don't care which one is cheaper or more expensive, I want a completely hassle-free experience preferably away from my desk because I work in front of a computer all day. Consoles tick all these boxes with a reasonable performance, at least for me, and I don't care which platform has the most games because my backlog is so huge that I wouldn't run out of games even if I didn't buy another one in the next 5 years.
I've been gaming for 30 years on PC (and Steam Deck), Xbox, Nintendo and PS (though not PS currently), and I've never heard of those things you mentioned.
@@KarlDag probably because you haven't been on the lookout for the desktop version of SteamOS 3. Valve said they'd release it eventually and it still hasn't come, so there are a few distros that try to replicate it.
I think for most people and even most ‘gamers’ console is the better option. Especially when you break it down to the core battleground areas. Budget. Accessibility. Games. Tech knowledge. Lifestyle. PC is the place to play if you want incremental gains for exponential cost. The fact my ps5 costs half the price of my buddies graphics card and we essentially play all the same games with me having less problems is pretty condemning imo. We’re getting to the point where we’re seeing games struggle to push the fidelity wow factor and hardcore gamers aka anyone reading this comment perpetually talking about gameplay > graphics. The most popular games in the world run on a PS4 hardware stack. People always say “well I can play loads of older games on PC” okay…but can you? Can you do the easily without messing around with tutorials, third party products and a ton of hoops. Is it on Steam? Excellent but wait it barely works and gets no support. I loved gaming on my PC for very specific experiences but we’ve gone full circle and it is very much master race meme territory. Ironically DF comes to mind. It’s a niche within a niche within a niche. I love the channel but how many players can notice let alone care about 90% of what you guys talk about? I watch to learn and like this stuff but it’s so inconsequential to a vast vast majority of gamers. They want to buy a game, hit play and go. The fact I have to troubleshoot stuff on pc in 2024 is ridiculous
Console gaming is just so much more convenient. I just press the PS button on my controller and both my TV and console turn on, everything's already updated, and I can just jump into the game. Sure, the graphics aren't as good and neither is the performance, but I like not having to mess with driver updates, graphical settings, etc.
You make it sound like if you're too dumb to download drivers and updates. It's no different than downloading stuff on consoles. No college degree required. 🤣🤣🤣
There are so many easy alternatives for people who want an "out of the box" experience these days. Every game usually has a preset. The bad ports are the ones that require you to rewrite ini files but I haven't needed to do that in a while. The idea that consoles are just far more convenient is not as relevant in 2024 especially when you consider the platforms like the steamdeck.
@@Thor86- Can you play DMCV on the Switch? Can you play Ghost of Tsushima on Xbox? Can you play Triangle Strategy on PlayStation? Can you play Old World on anything other than the PC? And what's wrong with indies? You think "boring and shitty" doesn't apply at every budget level? No matter which console you compare the PC to, the PC game library still has the upper hand even discounting emulation. That's the advantage of filling the gap each of them has and still having its own PC exclusives.
@@Thor86- how about emulating the consoles, emulating all of the MAME games going back to the 80s. Not to mention all the mods that can entirely change a game.
PCs don't have exclusives anymore really. Not since at least around 2009, when the switch to console as being lead platform was made and everything became largely parity locked between the two platforms. With one of those early examples being the first Wolfenstein reboot, back in 2013, with many other games to follow, such as Dragon Age Inquisition and Witcher 3, which is most famous for having had better visuals back in the E3 days which had to be dumbed down for console and PC by extension. They all started showing up parody locked not but 3 years after the decision was made to shift focus to consoles. Which makes sense, given that the average game takes about 3-4 years to develop. Game developers, like Dice, were having a hard time porting much larger PC maps to smaller memory limited consoles. So, if the PC was pulling in 48 simultaneous players across larger maps? The console was only doing about 16-28 player map. Not only that, but devs also had to figure out how to shrink the maps and still retain the feel of the typical PC game. And this was largely the theme of things with other games as well, having larger maps with more in it than on console. So when came time to port these over to console, the console community was up in arms about "s***** console ports." You could almost never read an article where "s***** console port" wasn't a thing. This led to a switch, to where developers found it easier to just develop for the console and then tack on a little bit more polish for PC. Which obviously is not a great use for a platform that has 2-4 times the memory, CPU and GPU. And mind you, back then some of us may have opted to run rigs with up to 1500 w power supplies and three to four SLI'd GPUs. Everyone wonders what happened to SLI, it's because there's really no need for them anymore. Since console games are largely the lead platform and only developed to maximize on one smaller GPU. So? No... PC represents diminishing gains. Sure you can spend two to four times the price for twice the frame rates and/ or resolution but that's about it. There's literally only one game right now pushing PC hardware and that is Star Citizen, which is not even released yet. In fact? If you play the average big name multi-platform game, such a Cyberpunk? You will find the same draw distance and pop-in distance on a high-end PC is as it would be on console. Like I can drive down Night City and just watch telephone poles in street lights pop into existence before my very eyes and that should never happen on an RTX 4080 PC. It's not just Cyberpunk but it's other games as well. They all have the same set draw distance pop-in, culling etc.
I think Hardware Unboxed is the best for hardware comparisons and Digital Foundry have some cool experiments with PC too (despite not being a PC-focused channel).
It is, in 2021 PC won the Golden Joystick Award for that beating the PS2 (maybe soon will be surpassed by the Switch) and Gabe Newell recieved the trophy lmao. Isn't a debate, the issue is how the pricing evolves for both consoles and graphics cards.
Console Gaming is just a different experience. Put the disc in, install (on PS5 you can start many games while you install it; on Switch directly). A smooth experience without optimizing many settings or searching for solutions if you have some issues. No different launchers and stuff like that. Just the clean OS, the Store build in and the advantage to trade or sell your games. Also playing on a big TV in HDR (especially with new TVs) is imo a bigger quality jump than better graphics or more fps. IF i would play on PC, i would do it also on a TV. HDR is often broken on PC (messed up black level floor), while it is better on consoles in most cases. For me it is important with a D65 calibrated TV and accurate colors, to get also a good HDR experience. But even if it would work well, like i said, the experience would be not the typical smooth and clean console experience. I start the PS5, chose my game (on a clean & simple UI) and can jump into my last savegame in some seconds skipping loading screens (without beeing in restmode and plugged in electricity). On Switch you have your game in general in standby without the need of power all the time. So i take it and play instantly, not matter if TV screen or handheld. I´m also not interested in mods, i play the original games and go to the next. I understand the advantage of having your own system and beeing able to do it like you want. But thing is for Gaming i not need it anymore.The quality these days is good enough for me. For everything else i use a Notebook since many years.
my personal experience here. my ps3 (2008) still kind of works. my ps4 (2013) still works really well. my pc (2021), despite being far more expensive, has had almost every single component replaced under warranty. when it works it’s amazing, but it’s far less reliable than my consoles.
- The best hardware - The best controller options - The best audio - The most customisation - Cheaper games - Free online Agree with John, living room PC's suck. It's just awful and unreliable. But a desk PC, nothing touches it.
I switched from 16 years on Xbox to PC last year.. and i love it !! Build my own 4080 7800x3d PC and still playing on my 65" Oled Tv thanks to playnite i mostly only need my Controller thats it.. Every game 4k60fps and even more i play more games than ever before thanks also to a big libary of Xbox, Playstations and Steam games 😁
This is a big "depends". It depends on the types of games you mainly play, depends on if you like to stream on a second monitor while gaming, depends on if you want absolutely the best graphics/ray tracing, depends on if you like to use mods with your games, depends on how much money you have, depends on how tech savy you are l, etc.
The user experience is typically fine. Once in a while you may run into a problem, but so long as you know a bit about computers or can google, it should be fine. These days, things like shaders and drivers don't require much thought or attention from the user. Enjoy paying 100+ dollars a year for multiplayer though.
@@HarryS77 Enjoy having to deal with trashy PC ports though, that’s why i have both PC and PS5. Last of Us remake for example, that was awful on PC. Not every PS user pays for online. Use your brain my guy
Endless backwards compatibility, emulation, mods, dirt cheap games, an absurdly varied & robust indie scene, complete freedom over your experience. PC is gaming paradise.
I bought my first PC last April after being a console gamer for 2 decades. I thought pc gaming was complicated but I was able to set it up to behave like a console (Couch gaming setup). Now, I'm stuck replaying my favorite games because seeing it run on native 4k, ultra settings and over 60 fps is a completely different experience.
I've been a PC gamer for over a decade but I've recently gone back to consoles for more story-driven games as I find that I am way more likely to actually beat them that way. It's far too easy for me to tab out and get distracted by the millions of other things I could be doing on a computer. Yes, I do have an ADHD diagnosis
Yeah similar story for me. Been a pc gamer for 30 years. I still have a really good pc setup. But after getting a ps5, I realized I enjoy that experience more. You got your couch, your tv, sound system, there are no distractions, no fiddling around settings,… It’s just the thing I need after working in front of a computer all day.
I ended up putting my gaming PC components into a smaller case and hooking it up to my TV to just be a console (but with my Steam library). Deleted everything that wasn't games, too, and I boot right into Steam Big Picture. I play on it so much more now than I ever did before.
Yes. - Backwards compatible since Windows 98. - Emulators to run console games/exclusives that were never ported or were ported poorly/missing content (ie: Saints Row 2). - Mods to adjust the games how you please or to nearly remaster them to their best possible state (i.e: Silent Hill 2 Enhanced Edition mod, Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines unofficial patch). - Best platform to archive games no longer sold (i.e: Driver San Francisco). - It's currently getting Xbox and Playstation first party games natively. - Free multiplayer after purchasing your game. - New releases are cheaper on PC than current gen consoles and sales/price cuts are vastly superior. - Flexibility when it comes to customizing controller/keyboard support.
@@Minarreal Objectively, what advantages does console have? You can have the launch versions backed up on a physical bluray disc and the initial cost of a console is technically lower than a PC. That's really it. I prefer to game on console just because I like to be 1 or 2 meters away from the screen or my head gets tired after gaming for an hour but it is undeniable PC is superior in nearly every way. Especially in current gen.
It all depends on what you are looking for, but me, personally, i sold my switch cuz the games were too expensive, and came back to PC, i got a Steam Deck tough, and what a lovely machine it is
For the games I play, PCs all the way. Or a laptop for on the go. I can't deal with controllers for anything but flying or driving. I need precision for sniping and marksman rifles and a controller just won't cut it. For the living room, a PC could work just fine. They support controllers for those the prefer them and there are excellent wireless peripherals. Even a midrange PC would do the job at 4k.
I just don't like the idea of sitting at a desk to game. That's a added cost as well. So it's not just the $2000 PC you gotta shell out. It's the monitor, desk, a good comfortable chair, speakers, etc. That adds up. I like to plop down on my couch, kick my feet up, grab my controller and press one button and I'm in... That's it.
Yeah, but your average exclusive is 40-70 dollars. If we are talking about games themselves, well, they are developed on PCs and nothing beats the overpowered discounts from Steam. A PC has singificantly longer longetivity and you can work on it as well.
I just plugged my PC into my TV. There is the added inconvenience of going over to the PC to turn it on and sign in. But after that, I just use it like a console. Steam, let's me use a console like interface, so it just works. The few extra steps only take a minute, but granted it is slight annoying compared to the console simplicity. Still, for me a few extra steps is worth it for PC. I still like the consoles though. I use the same chair, same TV, even the same headphones. Benefit of PC, while expensive for sure, is you can do anything with it. Consoles are a great choice too though. Simple, cheap, just works well.
@@sawdust8691 I had a gaming PC. I9 10900k with a 3080ti. I got it mostly to mod games. It was fun for a little while but I always found myself tweaking settings trying to get a game to run perfectly. So it was more tweaking and modding more so than gaming. I even tried to set it up like a console. I got a elgato stream deck and preloaded my games on the deck with the games picture so all I had to do was press the game I wanted and it launched right up. Even added a close game command, volume up and down. All the TV apps like Netlix, Hulu, etc. I did like it for that and I may build a cheaper PC just for that alone. But I use a projector and my projector only does 4K60 so I didn't really get the benefit of having a high end rig. Elden Ring on PC looked nearly identical to Elden Ring on PS5. Same goes for other games aside from modding. So I sold it. This is my setup, although the video is 2 years old and have since added a screen and built a wall unit for the speakers and to frame it around the screen. ua-cam.com/video/O2roAZF6mSY/v-deo.htmlsi=S-KuHs8Sma-Fqh5F
Shader precache is solved with an overkill CPU (+12 cores) and a bunch load of fast RAM which the Steam Deck doesn't have. There's no stuttering on my 12700K.
@@saricubra2867 That's not what they meant though. They're not saying the Deck is efficient at shader compilation/caching. They're saying that because of the unified hardware, Valve literally has a setup where users can opt-in to have their shader caches uploaded, and then anyone else on Deck playing that game will have them downloaded alongside the game.
Only theoretically. On paper, it sounds like it's objectively the best. In practice, it's not even close to that kind of potential. It's simply not a convenient place to play games, especially newer ones.
@@AdamMi1 I have also this feeling, the bigest feature on ps4/5 is rest mode for me , i can resume my game where i stoped 3 hour/2 day/3 week ago, it is so convenient that i don't use my gaming pc because of that.. i think every customer has his own priority.
@@Bro01lly there is something similar on windows, I sadly forgot the name. You turn it off and when you turn it back on everything including games is still the same
@@AdamMi1 Yep, alt+tab on game, but it doesen't work everytime, steam OS on steam deck has this features, so i cross the finger that maybe microsoft will bring this like the quick resume on xbox.. ( also, when i press the gamepad to wake up the console, the tv turn on in the same time, and went directly on the good hdmi.. this is another thing i don't have on my deckstop pc)
I always wanted to switch to PC, but it almost alway was out of my price range, and the fact that I had to take the equivalent of a masters just to maximize performance through: - Hardware Optimization - Software Optimization - Disabling Unnecessary Programs Just made me way too nervous to "Just get a PC"... I'm really appreciating that more games are introducing MnK support on console which makes it more bearable... specially for shooters!
Yes and over time it actually ends up cheaper, I'm still using my gaming pc I built in 2018 on a 1440 display it still runs the latest games at max settings over 90fps
The only reason why I still own a console is the convenience of grabbing the controller and turning on the console. Sure, pc is better, but installing and getting the games to run can be cumbersome. If pc had an easy way to boot up, install, run and turn off, then it would be my go to choice.
@NB-1 As a kid , I fiddled around with config.sys files and all that stuff, and thought it was awesome. I played more games on my pc than the nes. Now I have steam games and a decent pc, and I have tried setting it as my main console, but for some reason, it doesn't feel as convenient. I don't want to sit in front of my computer to play a game. I do that all day because of my job. I want to chill in bed, so maybe it's the keyboard and mouse that makes it feel less convenient.
Something that makes the comparison between PC and console so difficult for me is the different sets of issues and advantages on PC depending on your build, with high-end, mid-range, and budget builds being completely different experiences. I grew up with a budget PC, I loved playing retro and indie games on it, but my PS3 ran laps around it. I had a mid-range build a couple years ago, sometimes better, sometimes worse performance than Xbox One X, but a much more complicated user experience. Now I own a high-end PC, that completely runs laps around PS5, but it cost me more maybe what the PS4 Pro, PS5 and PS6 would cost me combined, and the experience still isn't perfect, as DF mentioned in the video.
No such thing as a perfect experience.
That still doesn't change the fact that you get what you pay for:
1. FREE online.
2. Cheaper games.
3. Mods (more mod freedom).
4. More frequent game discounts.
5. Deeper game discounts.
6. Better graphics.
7. Better frame rate.
8. 21:9 and 32:9 aspect ratio support.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M See, you're inserting your use case into the assessment. But what if you want somewhere to play Fortnite with your friends? Fortnite has free online, it's free to play, it runs great on console. If you're not interested in mods, performance, your TV is 16:9 anyway, etc. You're buying hardware that's significantly more expensive (for your entire list to be true), it'll be harder to use, and you'll play the exact same game.
Btw the discounts thing is less true today than it was a decade ago. We just had some pretty steep discounts on console storefronts, and they're very common these days.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M thats why this topic is subjective because not everyone will have the same use the free online will matter only if you play everything with friends but if you are a single player gamer that only plays some free to play games then you dont need subscription, cheaper games only apply to old tittles in my experience with pc and ps5 newer tittles get faster discounts on ps5 on their store fronts and sales go up every time a sale ends so in terms of sales yoi get way more than pc, but new releases cost the same, mods only if you care about them for example only game i mod is skyrim but aside from that i never use them and a lot of people is like that, better graphics yeah and fps too but only if you really care for those you will be surprise how many dont care about one or the other because at the end of the day its the same game and the ultra wide gaming is niche if you want that you werent gonna had a console in mind anyway, those are same arguments as this "the pc can be use for more than gaming thats why the price is worth it" yeah if you wanted for something else but if you only want to game then its pointless if it can do pixar movies
@@PSYCHOV3N0M
1. I dont care about online, used to like 15 years ago but im strictly single player only.
2. Eh, unless we're talking about shady key sellers or those absolutely god awful "PC only" games (bloatware) that PC has then Steam prices to things like PS Store are almost 1:1 identical.
3. The essential QoL fixes for games (especially the older ones) are very good but anything other than QoL is a waste of time in my opinion.
4. That sounds like complete bullshit.
5. Again, havent seen anything that ever blew my mind and made me like "wow this is significantly cheaper compared to its console counterpart", they are more or less the same.
6. Naturally, granted you waste time tinkering with the settings both ingame and in things like NVIDIA CP etc.
7. Very "stuttery" framerate compared to the console experience, the frame time graph is all over the place in PC games.
8. There is not a single thing in this world that I care less about than 21:9 and 32:9 aspect ratio support.
And no most of these obviously dont apply to the SUPER high end 5k$ Intel Core i9-14900K, RTX 4090 and DDR5 6400MHz RAM for obvious reasons.
I think its a generational thing that's boosted the popularity of the PC. For me growing up, PC ownership felt isolating as most of the best gaming experiences were had inviting mates round to play on console, sitting on a couch or on the ground, eyes glued to the same tv. The experience was more than the game, it was the company you keep, the in person interactions. Stopping playing to go outside and do stupid shit.
With the shift to online that started in the late 2010s, we started to see a lot of young kids gaming with friends, but online with games like minecraft. This meant the younger gen was making those same experiences, but over voice chat and on PC, with less emphasis on playdates.
I think that's why so many people today prefer PC. They had more exposure to it growing up and therefore value the benefits it has over consoles. On a related note, I think this is why there is such a low interest in single player games by gen z and alpha...they had less exposure to them growing up and when they think of video games they naturally recall the ones where they played with mates online.
All of this is a generalisation, but does explain some of the reasoning behind current trends.
There's also less interest on single player games because they got worse vs the PS2 and XBOX 360 eras.
A trend that i absolutely hate about current games is fixed camera angles, i don't want to constantly use the 2nd control stick to adjust the camera, in the N64 years there was no 2nd stick and programmers had to do proper scripts.
@@saricubra2867 the control stick for camera was paradigm shift for console gaming. I wouldn't ever want to go back to gaming without camera control and rely on camera follow from software. Those moments where you couldn't get the camera angle right in those times is just as frustrating as it is to frequently die in demon souls.
@@saricubra2867 theres less interest in single player games because of online gaming, nothing to do with being worse, these kids nowadays sit in online parties choosing games to play together, apex, fortnite, war zone, etc, people are paying to play together and socailise, in the OG ps2 and xbox era that was just starting to be a thing, ps2 didnt even come with ethernet out of the box.
@@jbway86 I mean that nowadays there's no camera scripting, it's bad a total degree of control and the opposite.
You didnt have mame on your PC, thats why. All the arcade cabinet and emulated games. What is more community based than an arcade game where 2-4 players playing in a single game is normal
I used to exclusively play on console but the increasing subscription costs over time and the fact that i can grow my steam library over generations aswell as all the free steam features (cloud saves, controller customization, remote play, family share, game recording, refund system,... etc) not to mention the steam deck that lets me play in the living room made me realize how much of a better investment pc truly is.
Makes sense tbh, but still, as a pc gamer i feel console might be better for one simple reason, u can just boot up and play... No configs, no driver issues and all that pc bullcrap.
I guess if u got a lot of time to play, and want the best of the best, its pc.
If u just want to game a lil 1 to 2h here and there, console is better
On top of that a gpu is same price as console if not more, a console u can sell previous and buy new one, essentially upgrading the whole system for very cheap
The refund system is one of the most underrated sream features. It basically gives you game demos in a time where demos have become a rarity with lazy and/or shady devs. It also acts as defense against shitty devs like Ubisoft and EA with their broken garbage games.
This is the most relatable comment I’ve read in a while 😂
I’m building my own rig for Black Friday. I can’t wait lol.
I kept playing in my console just because I can buy physical games, here in Australia we have a 10 day game guarantee with EB games and 30 days with Amazon AU.
I have played almost all games that came out last year and this year and returned half of them if I don't like or sell in the marketplace for $30 less than the Retail price.
I subscribe to ps plus Yearly on sale which is half the original price, I am subscribed till 2027, I recently got games like Lego star war, Stranger of Paradise, crisis core reunion, AC Valhalla for free with sub.
It pays out for me and most importantly I enjoy the process of getting a physical copy, trading or selling it.
I share my Steam library with my brother. He's got access to so many games for free. That's such an amazing feature.
It has been for at least 20 years. But consoles will always have a place because of their convenience and ability to bring respectable performance at a price point that is more appealing to the mass market.
Nock nock, your local scalper would like a word
@@benjamin1089, my local scalper isn't doing too well nowadays.
And then came PS5 Pro. Dude your comment aged like milk.
@@NuwandaSM, good luck finding a $700 PC with the same performance as a PS5 Pro.
I built a $1,200 pc. Its a generation ahead of my console in capabilities, runs all games on high or ultra 1440p native, and its hooked to my 65in QLED. I set it up exactly like a console and its freaking been amazing. No online payments, cheaper games, better graphics (as mentioned), and mod support. I hit the power button on my pc, pick up my xbox controller and press the main X button, i pick steam or Playnite, and pick my game. Once you set it up right you dont need a keyboard unless you want. I do have a small one thats like a chat pad when I want to use the internet or mess with things. Otherwise, its just a big console. Both Playstation and Xbox exclusives in one place. Highly recommended.
Edit: I even join xbox party chat with my console friends and play games together.
Thumbs up! Great summary. PC is just too compelling.
I switched back to PC when the 1080ti came out. I couldn't switch back after that. My last PC gaming experience before that involved a Pentium III.
And that's the reason I bought me a mid range gaming PC. Not so expensive and grants me access to almost everything.
Fr , once you got a mid range pc you dont have the need to get a ps5, tho im planning to get series s just to play gta 6
have fun waiting years for the sony exclusives which are mostly terrible optimized like the other games
@@Thor86- Are you sure about that?
Whats waiting a few years, to get the complete edition, cheaper and they run better on midrange PCs than a PS5
If you actually knew anything, the PS ports are normally some of the best ones around. Its only Last of Us Remake of a Remaster thats a bad port.
When you see that Nixxes logo, you go. Yep that will scale well, have wide/ultra widescreen. If the PS game has RT, PC will have a better version of it. All the upscaling features etc. An average PC port runs games better than a console does
@@Thor86- Plenty of games. No problem here.
@@Thor86- the best games ever on console came from pc, GTA, doom, COD, minecraft, skyrim, fallout, deus x, plusa a ton of others, why would i care about waiting for single player 1 and done games?plus the only bad port was TLOU, every other game can run better on a decent pc.
I just built a living room PC. The fact that case manufactures are now also incorporating the case designs that match well in living room setups is a godsend. But to be honest there is no wrong way to game. Have almost all consoles & now that my young boys inherited them, it's awesome to see them just game & experience the entire catalogue of PS4 games that I built up from launch to now. Granted I mostly game on PC now but for them to experience all the different consoles whether on pc, switch, PS4, Game pass all they want to do is play the same games I & my friends play. That right there is a win.
Consoles for me. I like that they are focused/specialized on games. A lot of PC gamers hate that consoles are a closed systems but thats exactly why I like them. Hyper-focused.
Exactly, I have a very high-end pc and laptop. I never really use them for gaming as I spend much time faffing about with them.
I have a high end pc and spend more time on it modding skyrim for ultra graphics playing cyberpunk 4k max setting 4k 120 in cod. I barely touch my ps5@murphy1138
@@Real.384seems like you have a lot of time and money.. give me some 😂 I want to experience 8k 240fps in person
Why would i want to buy one more thing for gaming just waste of money and making more complicated.
@@FoxSky-md1ul For an example if you work with computers daily it could be harder for you to feel relaxed using them on your free time.
If I watch the full podcast, do I get to find out why John is playing Starship Troopers in the background?
Damn for a moment I thought its a fan channel with your channel name
I really appreciate your 4k benchmark for games.
Good day 😅
Alex mentions the best part of PC gaming at the end: “backwards compatibility” is so much better on PC.
Modern console BC stops at PS4 era and only kinda dips into PS3 era. With PC you have access to games from pretty much ANY era. Can’t put a price on that.
true! real backwards compatibility is only possible on PC.
This 100%. That's definitely one of the things that turned me off from the console market. By the end of the PS4 gen, I just started realizing how fragile my library of games was, because it was completely contingent on my old consoles still working (PS2, PS3 and PS4 all had to work for full BC)
On PC, you can just emulate the old stuff. And stuff that's not too old usually just works as it is even when you upgrade. Even stuff that's not natively backwards compatible, like a lot of Windows 95/98 games can either be bought in working form on GOG or probably play decently well on a Virtual Machine with some effort (I recently did this with all my old obscure disc-based PC games, and most of them ended up working, although it did take quite a lot of effort, tbf). On the other hand, good luck playing PS1 games on your PS5 if they haven't been rereleased o7
BC and emulation really just makes PC gaming's library absurdly good
If you bought a game on steam 15 years ago, chances are you can still boot it up and play it. And if you can’t, you’re a pcgamingwiki search away from tweaking it into a playable state.
And through software, every game from the 6th console generation and prior is easily accessible. Save for some N64 emulation weirdness and occasional compatibility problems.
Not to mention that things like emulation means that ironically the PC can play more Playstation exclusives than any other platform.
All the PS4/PS5 games are coming to PC. PS3 and earlier are all emulatable. Eventually the PS4 will be too for any other games.
All games come to the PC eventually, one way or another.
Who cares. Life’s too short to play old games .
I went through a phase where I was PC only, but the older I get the more I realize I'm not going to like when traditional consoles are done.
Same
I've always gamed on consoles and PC and this generation is the only time I have ever felt like I could have skipped consoles entirely. Theres nothing there for anymore that I can't already have on PC.
Consoles used to have quirky custom hardware solutions with expansion ports, "secret sauce" tricks that were console hardware specific, and other little misc touches that made console gaming unique.
Ever since the jump to x86 with PS4, it has honestly just felt like barebones PC gaming, except now I can't disable bad anti aliasing solutions and tweak visual settings.
There isnt enough high quality console exclusives anymore, it feels pointless to buy in if you can afford a upper mid ranged PC.
The Nintendo Switch is an anomaly, it seems that Nintendo finally beated the SNES and Gamecube on exclusives after more than 2 decades.
Super Mario Wonder finally surpassed World from the SNES after almost 30 years, and it's the most unique looking and gameplay wise Mario game ever.
You don't need a high-end PC. I was AMAZED at how well Star Wars Outlaws looked and ran on my 5700 XT. I was worried that the game might not run at all, but I didn't even have to do any tinkering. I built my PC in 2017, and I can upgrade at my leisure. I didn't have to buy A PS4 Pro, a PS5, and then a PS5 pro. I don't have to pay a yearly fee to play my games online. I can use any controller I want. And I've always used my PC in my livingroom on my couch. You don't need a mouse and keyboard. I've got an app that turns my phone into a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard. Incredibly easy to control my PC on the couch. My PC has ways been my main multimedia entertainment device.
I like how casually starship troopers is playing on the background
It depends on person to person. For my used case PC is the best platform but for others it might not be true.
Honestly, I would argue that it doesn't vary from person to person - that PC is still objectively the best platform.
The only argument is then price.
I havent heard an argument pc boy
@@Patrick-y4d1zit ain’t. There’s nothing objective about that lol. Convenience and accessibility plays a much bigger role than any of you are willing to accept
@@Jeroen4
PC is cheaper
PC has better backwards compatibility
PC has better forward compatibility
PC has the ability to be played on multiple devices
PC has the ability to be played on the go on handheld devices
PC has the ability to emulate games
PC can also be used as a home server
PC can be used for work
PC has more exclusives
PC can play at higher resolutions
PC can play at higher graphical settings
PC can use mods
PC can use any peripherals
Just to name a few.
PC can do literally everything consoles can do, but better and more stuff they can't do.
Tell me, what do consoles have that PC doesn't?
@@Patrick-y4d1z The only things consoles have over PC (that I can think of) are a UI that will never prompt the use of a mouse, compiled shaders for all games (bc of the cookie-cutter nature of consoles; same hardware configuration), and consoles are more idiot-proof than PCs. Other than that, PC is the GOAT.
If you can afford a high-end machine, PC is clearly the superior platform IMO. I switched back from console gaming to PC gaming almost 100%. Why? In my book, consoles have recently lost a lot of their appeal. It basically melts down to three things. 1) Console gaming used to be a synonym of ease of use and relaxed, simple couch gaming. Now, when I launch a game on a console, I often have to update the console itself, then the controller, then the (usually bugged) game, then I have to log in or create an account to get in-game rewards, etc. etc. It takes ages despite my decent connection speed. It simply doesn’t differ from PC… much. 2) Consoles used to have attractive exclusives. Now, everything I can play on my XSX I can also play on my PC, and my PS5 doesn’t really tempt me with exclusives either since all of them eventually come to PC anyway. 3) Both “top” consoles barely cut it anymore in terms of performance in most demanding games when compared to my PC. If the choice is e.g. 1440p, 60 fps, no RT vs. 4K, 70+ fps, full RT, it’s quite simple really. I can name tons of games that both look and run MUCH better on my PC than on my consoles. So, PC it is. Edit: I didn’t even mention things like games unavailable on consoles or superior K&M controls in many titles…
i dont now what your talking about but when i start my ps5 i choose the game and play, on pc there is everytime a problem or a update always fuckin distraction and do not forget pc gets the console port from the game which is mostly bad optimized and you must wait for the new sony exclusives for years to play it on pc and it mostly comes bad optimized. The short indie games on Steam sucks they are boring as fuck and looks like shit.
@@Thor86-You do make some valid points but I disagree on the whole. I built and configured my PC, and I can’t confirm there are always problems. The experience is very similar to console… Yes, PC versions (e.g. the notorious Jedi Survivor) are often badly optimized but TBH, most of them still look and run better than their console counterparts. Hogwarts for instance looks much, much worse on consoles, same with Cyberpunk and many other games. As for distractions, on PC they are more frequent indeed. I always get furious when goddamn antivirus wants something from me mid-game 🤨
Finally, a PC gamer that actually articulates the kind of downgrade that the big consoles are going for. Exactly why? Literally ever since the week came out I've been a Nintendo PC person. And especially this generation with all the Microsoft stuff going immediately to PC on day one and Sony stuff which I don't really like that many of getting ported 6 months to a year later is absolutely perfect. I can get the Nintendo thing one because of its uniqueness and two because they have actual platform exclusives plus to be honest it's just easier to do local multiplayer with Nintendo systems. Everything else if I want a high budget crazy game I'll do it on my mid-range laptop. I will counter argue that one benefit though that none of the consoles have is dealing with asinine Windows systems, the lockdown ecosystem of Mac and the wonderful confusing as fuck world of Linux, particularly having Linux argue with proton and wine in order to make anything viable.
@@Thor86- bahahahaha no silly Sony Pony, the PC is always the superior version of a game, not only that but you can play all the games, endless mods and emulators. Plus every game is above 60 fps.
@@DariusPL consoles have updates but for PC you can actually turn them off if you want to. PC has always been the best and always will.
As a PC gamer, I honestly hate the elitist mentality that PC gaming is the only “correct” way to play games. Not everyone wants to drop thousands of dollars on overpriced components and then dive head-first into configuring and troubleshooting for all of their games. Some people just want to buy some hardware that’s relatively affordable, plug it in, and start playing games. I really do love PC gaming, and I don’t think I’ll ever go back to console, but I’m just sick of people acting like others are inherently wrong for wanting a console.
That being said, I’m sure that more and more people are switching to PC gaming since each of the current 3 giant console manufacturers have their own major problems. Sony is hell-bent on destroying their legacy and homogenizing all of their exclusive games (and punishing ones that don’t conform, I.e. LittleBigPlanet or Helldivers). Microsoft have great features (back-compat, dev mode, and Game Pass despite recent price hikes), but they have zero exclusive games worth buying and keep shuttering studios when it’s convenient. Nintendo have become totally complacent; full-price ports/remasters, forced scarcity (Mario 3D All-Stars, NES/SNES Classic), and a garbage subscription service that offers some of the worst emulation I’ve ever seen. In that regard, PC gaming does look like a safe haven compared to the current console market.
I agree with the overall sentiment; however, assuming you are referring to US dollars, "thousands of dollars" is exaggerating the cost of entry-unless you want the absolute best, which (if you want a PC that's console-level specifications-wise or around that) could probably be less than $1000. So while the entry of cost is undeniably higher, you can come out cheaper on the multiplayer (which is free), and probably cheaper games. The "configuring and troubleshooting for all of their games" is also an exaggeration.
I also was a PC gamer until I got twins, which killed the hobby of building, maintaining and configuring a PC for me as when I was done setting it up for my favorite game ready to be played, family duties popped up.
So I got an Xbox Series X and not only the convenience of getting directly into the game, but Quick Resume especially gave me back the joy of playing my games, if just for 15-20 minutes before the kids were waking up again.
I still have a laptop with an eGPU though for the few games I like to play there, but I rarely get the time to do that.
It all comes down to personal preference i was a pc gamer for almost a decade and i switch to the ps5 becuase i started working from home and i need to use my pc and being in the same place 8 hours a day for 5 days and then just staying im the same place gaming wasnt feeling any good then i stop having fun upgrading the pc and then i just didnt want to be in my office at all unless im working so i just bought the console and olay on the living room and i realize how little i care about fps or resolution i just care about having fun with the games and relax after work hahha
@@allansolano5587 then plug the pc to the tv in the living room or get a laptop or steam deck problem solved
@@belzebub16 your fault for having kids
For tech savvy people, PC is clearly better in almost every way. For other people, I personally recommend them consoles.
I'm tech savvy but the plug and play efficiency of consoles is a huge deal breaker.
@@Dd-fb2tj if you are tech savvy, PC is just as plug and play as a console.
@@askeladden450 it's not and never was
@KriegersBeasts you dont even need to do that, you can boot your pc directly into steam big picture mode. The actual hard part in pcs is knowing how to buy the right components, dealing with drivers and stuff like that.
Pc is literally the opposite of plug and play. I’m tech savvy , but I don’t ENJOY fucking with it. A modern console is way more user friendly.
Having a Nintendo system and a good PC gaming system is pretty much getting every single game out there.
The few exclusives on Xbox and PlayStation obviously wouldn't be in there but for the most part having those 2 systems covers just about everything.
I feel like even a 500 dollars pc can run a lot of really cool games, even recent ones, just put on the medium or minimum settings ans have fun, is not like the game is gonna look that bad anyway.
PC definitely has a bigger library and lower prices.
Once a PC gamer always a PC gamer never looked back since 2014 even Sony exclusives release on PC nowadays
@@ThexXxXxOLOxXxXx being a PC gamer is not enough. Gotta be a PCMR.
Eh, not really, at least not really recent games, most $500 PCs are going to be using pretty low-end integrated APUs, which are fine for e-sports or older games, but are going to really struggle with more recent games, even at bare minimum settings. $850-$1200 is realistically what you'll need to spend on a build/pre-assembled PC to have a good experience with modern games. You can definitely run a lot of games on an older, lower power systems though - I was still gaming on my old i7 2600K w/1060 6GB system until a few months ago, and it handled everything but games from last few years quite well at 1080p. You definitely want a dedicated GPU though, as even my old 1060 is quite a bit faster than just about any APU on a modern processor, but then you're comparing a portion of a CPU die to an entire large PCB dedicated to graphics so of course APUs are going to struggle to compete. I'm old enough to remember when "low" settings meant the game was a pixellated mess of barely distinguishable textures though...times have changed. Most games still look decent at lower settings.
@@yellowblanka6058 Not really, I just found a 500 dollars PC on the internet with Ryzen 3600 and a GTX 1660, that can run pretty much anything at 1080p.
I used to have a 1070, and I could run Red Dead and Cyberpunk pretty well in high settings at 1080p, and today I think you can fin similar PCs and laptops for 500 bucks.
Threre is a lot of laptops with a 3050 for 650 dollars, so you know, it's not that hard to find a good computer today for a good price.
"PC definitely has a bigger library and lower prices." ... The amount f games does not matter, because we all don't have endless amount of time to spare.
And consoles still have the advantage of disks you can buy, play and resell again. With older titles you kinda play them for nothing because you often can sell these for the same price you bought them. The question should always be "what for"? On a TV a gaming PC is not that optimal, as John said.
That plug and play is kinda nice of that consoles.
PC gaming is the best in the long term for its backwards compatibility, emulation and stuff.
But as an IT engineer i mainly play on consoles for current games. First because the Switch has tons of exclusives but also because i like the plug and play experience.
No weird bugs and crashes, no need to update drivers or to tinker graphic settings.
I still have a PC for some types of games but holy molly it can be a frustrating experience sometimes when you are unlucky and a particular game doesn't work well on your station. I dont want to troubleshoot, i already do this at work, sometimes i just wanna play.
As someone who was a diehard PC gamer, nowadays I mostly game on PS5 to be honest 🤷♂
- No Windows driver or Graphics driver issues
- No component driver issues
- No unoptimized ports & having to tinker with game settings
- No figuring out random game crashes & googling shit for hours
- No need to worry about hackers
Overall i just like the console experience better. No fluff, it's just you and the game.
Yeah except you have to pay to play online on console
@@21backwards78 60$ a year sounds like a sweet deal, especially when you don't have to deal with the loser PC cheaters
@@thedonzhorzh doesn't sound like a sweet deal anymore when you realize you also pay for the Internet bill and everything adds up
@@21backwards78 Not every multiplayer game requires online. Not everybody plays online either
@@21backwards78 Still, a small price to pay for not dealing with all the cheating that is on PC. Also you get 3 games each month and exclusive discounts on the store. Yeah, I'd say 5$ a month is well worth it. And if those 5$ are problematic to you, then maybe modern gaming is not for you.
Also, plenty of online games don't require subscription
They both have their place in the market. For example in my case as an enthusiast and hardware collector, I think the following is the way to go (at least for me)
Desktop setup (PC), Portable setup (Laptop PC), TV Setup (Console). I play some on each, and some of my favorites that I maybe make multiple playtroughs on, I might own and play them on different platforms. I do understand that not everybody has the buget for all of them. Also for me new releases I mostly get on PS5 because I want to have them in my phisical collection if I care about a certain title. And when they become cheap, I get my favorites also on steam, and enjoy them at even greater quality on my hi end PC.
As a pc gamer, the problem with PC is that it's slowly getting too expensive. Midrange sounds nice but the Midrange is like $1200-$1700 now. If you argue that then you are falling for Nvidia and AMD marketing. The 4070 and 7800XT are midrange cards but they are $500+. The entry starts at $300 now and that means you pc would be around $1000 and will be around the performance of a PS5 and Xbox series X.
Lol alot of pc gamers In the comments will Bash sony and microsoft but AMD and Nvidia are not consumer friendly either. One gives low vram to struggle woth current and next gen games. Other does not give alot of really good features. If your going to play older games from 2 years ago or older then it's great or indie games then it's the best platform.
You could build an amazing PC for 1300 though. You could get the best current consumer processor for gaming (7800x3D) plus a card like a 6800 XT for
@@cuteAvancer a GPU that original price was $650 in 2020 now for years later $400 used is a good deal to you? That tells how much Nvidia, and AMD has abandon the Midrange and low end that a care 2 gens old is still midrange price. And the PS5 Pro is going to be stronger than a 6900XT in raster with 4070 level of ray tracing for just $500. Look it up PS5 Pro is using chips from RDNA4
@Anukinihun Then, buy a RNDA4 Graphics card. Oh wait...they don't exist yet. Can't buy a PS5 Pro either. I love buying imaginary things.
Usually the embedded chips are great value at the start of every generation but they're still only entry level stuff. The Pros always come out too late before getting kicked to the side since everyone has the original and by time they want to upgrade; they just get new ones. If I'm spending 400 personally; I would just spend extra for a 7900 GRE since they OC really well but there is set budget ranges for everything people buy. I would certainly pick a 7800 XT over a 4060 TI lol. Nvidia hasn't "abandoned" the entry level cards; people buy them all of the time unless Steam is just fabricating reports. They just neutered them and make a ton of money of them.
The prices of the older cards aren't going to decay that much when there was very little improvement over the last generation of cards expect at the high end. Especially when they originally got scalped through the roof. 40xx cards are so expensive because they know people bought 30xx at that prices. If you want something affordable and new; you could try waiting for Battlemages lol.
@@cuteAvancer bruh it's comes out this fall/winter what are you talking about it doesn't exist?
Awesome, Starship Troopers in the background!
It depends on what games you want to play. I play games like Cities Skylines and Fallout on PC because of mod support. Games like Final Fantasy 16 and Mass Effect I play on my PS5. I am not into MMOs, but I would want to play them on PC if I were.
I don't like locked down systems with limitations, so PC is the only option for me.
There is 10's of reasons why i prefer PC over console.
I was exclusively a PC gamer from between 2000 and 2009, but the forced, artificial end to physical media by deliberately making physical media as cumbersome as possible was the coup de grace for PC gaming for me. That said, the insanely toxic PC gaming community, persistent hardware compatibility issues, and the now insane price for even getting on board the PC gaming train nowadays were also contributing factors. I do maintain a nominal PC gaming presence for the games that I own (basically a now low-end Ryzen 5 3600/RX580 combo) but the PC mostly gets used for creativity and emulation. I occasionally dip into game bundles but I've not bought a specific new game on PC for 12 years now.
I grew up with the classic consoles since the 80's, always had a console around of every generation. I have been into building and gaming on PC since Pentium 3 and even worked at Intel for a big chunk of that time, so I had the funds and connections to get some good hardware. With that...I have always had both a PC and console around and shared time with both. Into my 40's though, it's been more time on the Switch, just because it's so simple and accessible. I will put up with the low res and frames on some games, yet the Switch will play some games completely fine...just to be able to put in the time to finish them. Traveling with the Switch is still the best, so small, great battery life and with a dongle dock, hotel TV playing is possibility. On my PC, I haven't upgraded my GTX1080, it plays a majority of what I have time to play. The problem with the PC, it's really as useful as it's user, some modern users don't have the attention spans or hard work to put into it.
I’ve had my pc for about 3 or 4 wks now and I swear to you I haven’t turned on my PS5 since. Going from console to PC (high end in my case) is drastic, in a good way. Knowing I don’t have to choose between fidelity mode and performance is a breath of fresh air. Seeing games in native 4K/max settings, high fps has opened my eyes to the full potential of video games. Unless Sony goes day and date with PC I’ll still have a PlayStation but it is now a exclusive only machine.
I’m in the same boat. Just got a very high end pc and haven’t used my ps5 in a month 😂 I feel bad for it!
High end, as in 1000 plus dollars for a good pc, there is no comparison.
@@LewdGyrationsHigh end/native 4k means only his graphic card is 1000$ lol
@@nikolagvozdenovic940 hell nah XD
I havent used my high end gaming pc for years since i play on ps5 which is more relaxing, simple i can play the sony exclusives day one and the games are way better optimized than the bugged pc ports;)
I was born as a PC gamer but I immediately fell in love with consoles (with SNES and PS2) and played mainly there for most of the time.
Three years ago my old laptop broke and I was tired of playing games on PS4, so I decided to sell it and get a gaming laptop. Initially it was hard to go back to PC, no more plug 'n play, bugs, optimization problems, stutters, etc... But little by little I got used to it again and decided to buy a new laptop with an RTX 4050. Certainly, under certain wait, it's not as powerful as a PS5, but in general, as a PC, it offers me more freedom and customization of the experience, and this is perhaps the thing that keeps me on PC the most at the moment. For example, Dragon's Dogma 2 has a much better framerate than the PS5, even though it runs at a lower resolution.
Sony exclusives, on the other hand, have some optimization problems on PC compared to many multiplatform games, so much so that Forspoken and Forbidden West run much better on a PS5 than on my laptop. But overall, PC offers more customization and better performance than PS5 on all other games.
Last thing, the screen. For Ps5 I would have to buy a separate screen, while my laptop already has a 144hz full hd screen, good for technologies like Frame Generation. In short, for the moment I will continue to play on PC, but PS5 It's a good machine.
If u have money and time yes...if u haven t or if u don't want to spend time in the settings and other buy a ps5
Ah yes, setting up a PC does take almost an hour to be fair. Who has that kind of time.
you don't need the top pc parts you can build one for about $750 and be done with it
@@DeadPiixxel And how long it would hold up?
@@yanayana5408 it long lmao you going to running everything below Xbox and ps5 to hit 60fps
I feel like you guys vastly downplay everyone's intelligence. Just pick recommend preset and be done with it.
I’ve switched back and forth between home computer and console over the decades. From OG XBox through PS4 Pro I was a console gamer. Tried Series X but quickly found this console generation just wasn’t working for me. Switched to PC. Best move I made. I emulate what I need from Pong through PS3. PS4/Series X games I’ve got the PC versions of. And the last couple of years I’ve been playing mostly really great indie games. House Flipper 2, American Arcadia, Moving Out 2, etc. Puffin Planes is looking like a must buy when it releases later in the year. For reference I’m running the PC 99% in Steam Big Picture on a 55” 4K living room TV.
I recently discovered a good workaround to PC gaming... cloud gaming. I've been playing AAA games on my Surface Pro 9 lately. The games are on max settings and running smooth with little to no drop in quality or performance. Cloud gaming subscription cost is also cheaper than building or upgrading a PC every few years.
And instead of a clean pure stream to your monitor you have a video encoded (with all the quality sacrifices necessary) and transmitted to you with a delay. What?
Cloud gaming is not the answer if you're bothered by latency and paying ANOTHER subscription service fee. Any games that require quick reactions are instantly out because you are getting a video feed from the server running your game and having to transmit your reactions back and forth. Cloud gaming will never win over people who care about performance, there is too much latency and performance cost when using it.
Regardless if you think there is no hit to performance or quality, there is absolutely a measurable, discernable difference between native and cloud gaming.
As someone who just wants a high frame rate while still being able to play at 1080-1440p base res. The pc just seems like a much better experience for that atm. I’ve been a primarily console gamer but the start of this Gen sold me on high frame rate and it’s been hard to have to sacrifice so much resolution to get the high frame rate on consoles over the last 2 years. DLSS seems to make such a huge difference in being able to boost the overall frame rate while keeping a good IQ. Additionally the lack of an ongoing sub cost to be able to play online is something I appreciate on PC. It made sense to sub cost wise when the subs were roughly $60 a year but costs on Xbox and psn have increased significantly recently and it makes the overall value prop of PC finally better for me overall
Only for previous gen games. For current gen, no matter the gen, console is always more optimized and stable in my experience. That’s where devs spend their time and effort because it’s worth the money.
I always end up back on PC no matter what console I buy. Console feels so restricted and controlled. The performance and visuals on PC usually exceed the console. There's no denying the convenience of consoles. I also like the fact that on some games, you can choose which controller to use at the same time or mouse. I would still choose a mid range PC over console. Backwards compatibility is great on PC. You don't need a high-end PC to enjoy it.
I feel like the best part about PC is that you choose the experience you want to have with the game. You have full control over the resolution, graphics settings, aspect ratio & frame rate especially fine tuning the experience with mods
Also, things like emulation on newer machines being so efficient. You can pick up something like the ROG Ally and emulate PS3 games on a 30W APU. Over time as APUs get more and more powerful, that means better and better efficiency rather than these old huge inefficient games consoles.
Let's face it, that's not really the case though is it? If you've a low to mid range pc you need to either choose resolution or frame rate. You've also to be more careful with the display you use. If you've a 1080p display then you'll be fine, but outside of that you will have to choose. 4K is completely out of the question if you want a good frame rate, outside of a high end pc. 4K is very demanding.
@KriegersBeasts the required hardware is about six times that of a console though. Most people can't afford that.
@KriegersBeasts you've a level of consistency on the console that you don't have with low to mid end PCs. PC ports are also an afterthought to most developers. I've a PC and all the consoles btw. I mostly play on PC.
Yes it’s better to spend your time messing with the settings than actually playing the game.
I used to play exclusively on PC. Built all of them myself. Relished in the options of customisation that PC affords. World of Warcraft and Vietcong Multiplayer were my bread and butter. But as I get older I now gravitate towards consoles more and more. Maybe because of my job sitting in front of a computer I don't want to do the same in my free time. Also, it's just easier. You press a button and you are playing. No settings, nothing to worry about... I do own a PC... it's getting old at this point, but I can still play games that aren't suited to consoles like strategy games and FPS. Right now I am playing Cyberpunk on the PC and am enjoying it, but anything else I wouldn't even consider playing it on PC. Games like Elden Ring I just want to enjoy on a big screen while sitting comfortably on a couch.
At the moment I have the PS5 for the "blockbuster" games like Elden Ring, the Switch for more indie stuff, Nintendo games and games I want to play on the go and then the aging PC for anything that isn't available on the previous 2 or isn't a good fit.
Objectively is the key word.
Consoles wouldnt exist if PCs were "objectively" the best place to play
If money is not a problem you get the best experience on PC. Want the console exclusives? You just get a console too.
@@Z3t487 then we wouldn't be using the word objectively right?
I know people these days hijack words, but this one is pretty cut and dry to me.
Price, and ease of use are probably the 2 biggest factors for consoles to exist, and the fact that there are hundreds of millions of people playing on console vs PC, this question being asked has a pretty clear answer, no, no is the answer.
@@d8l835 You are right, 'price' makes my argument flawed. Have a nice day ☺️
PC is objectively better. Consoles exist to this day because they are the dumbed down version for the masses. That's why consoles still exist. The masses is where the big money is at. Don't kid yourself, the bottom line is what drives the world. And it's no wonder why PCMR have for decades cursed consoles because they cap games! On PC we can do sooooo much more than on consoles. Take 4090, for instance. Not even the future PS7 will be able to do what a 4090 does.
That's not true. People don't always go for the best choice. They also get taught those bad habits as kids. If a parent puts a controller in the kids hands instead of a keyboard, they are burdening them for life. Even worse if they put a touchscreen instead of a controller. As with anything with humanity, it comes back to the way they're raised. Humans are blank slates when born.
I just got the Sony 65" X93l hooked up to my highend 4080 super strix PC and I'm in awe
Worst part of PC gaming is all of the hackers and cheaters
Mate when was the last time you went into a lobby on console, it's just as infested as PC.
This is an objectively big problem with pc gaming. I almost never play online, but is really easy to stumble into cheaters and the annoying competitive gaming losers that just won't let you enjoy a game in peace. That's why I dislike online only games.
Being able to have my choice of machine (whether desktop or mobile), as well as the immense back catalogue, and really good emulation of old consoles, and mods, the flexibility is absolutely unmatched.
If you’re only after the new AAA titles, a console makes more sense, but a PC pretty much corners everything else.
Not really because you can play all the AAA games on a PC anyways. Only point of getting a console is if you wanna play latest AAA games with a limited watered down experience and don't have the attention span to deal with minor quirks that may occasionally pop up with PC gaming.
@@Unicornpirate While correct if we’re not including cost and ease of use, a gamer only looking at AAA gaming is using a small fraction of the PC platform’s real strengths. In this case, the value proposition becomes much worse for PC.
Someone looking to experience a bit of everything though, the PC platform will happily provide.
@@Lauren_C True but most console gamers don't even care for exclusives or AAA games like Elden Ring.. The ones that I know mostly play games like Fortnite, Rainbow Six Siege, Overwatch, Minecraft, COD, GTA, Rocket League.
Steam Controller is amazing for turning your PC into a home console experience, makes navigating the desktop a breeze. Really wish they'd make 2nd iteration of it.
I tried so hard to love the Steam Controller, but could just never get used to the feel of it and how much configuration was needed to have it work the way I wanted it to.
But I have a Steam Deck now, and I would kill for them to copy its controls over to Steam Controller v2. It's the perfect mix of Xbox-like "just works" on many games, with all the configuration of the Steam Controller v1.
I've got an app on my phone that turns my phone into a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard for my PC. You should look into that. You always have your phone. It makes it incredibly easy to control your PC on your couch.
I have both PS5 and PC (7900xt). Console wins in the fact that it just works, ease of use, not Windows, far less hackers with crossplay options and is start-up cost efficient.
Pc wins in brute force, doing everything and flexibility. However, things like random bad drivers, part/paste replacements, hacking, anti-cheat processes, and Windows can be large deterrents for a lot of people.
This is getting old, but what matters the most is the ecosystem around, as John pointed out. Your particular ecosystem. That's why it'll never be "objectively" better.
Well not really no. The ecosystem around PC gaming is far more expansive and customisable than that of any one system.
Of course it can be objectively better.
If it has better performance, better games, better compatibility etc etc etc. Then you can say it's objectively better in anything measurable.
The benefits of PC for me: precision mouse control for shooters. Emulators, broad catalog of PC and console exclusives, real time strategy, games that don’t make it to console. Also playing PS4 era games that were locked to 30 fps on console, at 60 or higher FPS. Plus, can take a gaming laptop/handheld on the road or around the house. Also DRM-free games on GoG. High frame rate gaming and mods. Lots to like.
The value for money and ease of use of a console is a major difference.
PC ports are an afterthought to most developers too, sadly.
I've been living-room PC gaming for years and it's simply excellent. I have a small keyboard/mouse lap-pad setup to handle the UI, but once I'm in a game it can be 100% controllers. Also, the "legwork" for tweaking games is entirely up to your own appetite. You can try to eek out the best quality/performance balance ... or just set to "medium" or "high" and leave it at that. There's a "it just works" reputation for consoles, but the PC experience really is acceptable and has been for years. For a serious gamer there are soooooo many pros vs. not many cons. The only deal-breaking con is the initial cost of entry (games are often much, much cheaper).
Until it becomes as easy and seamless as console no, yes it’s getting easier, but having to log into or download different programs for even mouse and keyboards, downloading different launchers, driver updates, compatibility issues (steam deck or Linux)
Consoles arent going anywhere and thats a good thing, now valve has come and made the best pc handheld imo and that’s because it has the most console like experience. I hope they make another steam machine and sell them for a competitive price and it inspires others to make prebuilt powerful tv box pc’s .
Console plug and play is unbeatable.
The answer isn’t as simple as a yes or no. For a PC, it depends on your hardware, and for a console, it depends if a specific user feels like they need or want one. For me, i play on both PS5 and PC, and if a game on either platform has issues(Think RE8 on PC when it had those huge lag spikes) that made me decide to buy the game on PS5. Cyberpunk on PS5 in backwards compatibility mode looked super blurry and crashed nonstop with countless bugs. So i refunded it and got it on PC, where i had no crashes and a very small amount of bugs.
To me using the steam deck which is basically a low end pc hardware wise proved that I would rather have a deck or lower end pc then a console. The much better and easier access of thousands of games from any generation just wins. Sure there is some new games that you might miss out but isn't enough to tip the scales.
Console is more about the user experience that the person wants. A hardcore person will always get more of the PC but a casual probably just wants to download a game or put a disc in and just play after a long day. I can completely empathise with that and if I didn't grow up being heavily interested in tech I could see myself being mainly a console player instead.
@@Bargate The Deck is a great piece of hardware, so i can’t fault you for that. Being able to play PC games from generations ago - modern games on the go is really nice. Mhm, i do love PC gaming, especially the ability to mess around with graphics settings. A Plague Tale: Requiem at max settings looks insane. It’s good to have a console alongside a PC just incase a company release a not so good version on one platform. That’s why i mainly have a PS5 and PC. Another reason is that certain games are just designed to be played on a PC, like Baldurs Gate 3
If you just wanna game? Hell no. Lots and lots of issues that can drum up any moment and ruin your experience, hundred things can go wrong, a game could run incredibly well for many but run terribly for you. Happened to me with Ghost of Tsushima, Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted 4, Outer Worlds and the like.
Then there could be a game that runs like crap and it would work fine for you. Cyberpunks was like that for me.
Console, for all its issues, ensures that the games run well. You can literally close your eyes and buy the game you want to play without having to think about whether the game will run well or not.
That’s the strength of the console that the pc will never match. A true plug and play experience. No drivers, no additional software, no DRM like denuvo. Install and play
Consoles do not ensure a game will run well there are countless games on console that absolutly do not run well and I don't know what you mean by no DRM because every single game on console these days has DRM also every time you get a console update that's a driver update
@@AzaiaMonota Which games we are talking about?
This guy seriously say DRM as if consoles aren't inherently DRM?
bahahahaha dream on. Playing a game on PC is much easier experience than console plus you dont need to pay just play online. The game loads faster, more responsive, better frame rate, more graphical options, mod support. It just goes on and on.
How can you be watching digital foundry, a channel that has a LONG list of videos showing consoles struggling with games over the years and say console garuntees good performance lol
Puh, tough question. I'd say that it depends heavily on the consumer and on the consumer only.
I'd like to give another point to consider:
PC games often require anti-cheat software that needs access to your kernel, so they basically have access to everything on your Windows PC. I assume that in most cases Windows is not ONLY used for gaming but for office etc. and often has stored critical data.
Personally, for me, that is a red line.
Hence, I bought an M3 Max MacBook Pro for both work and gaming (whatever runs, eh? WoW and such things) and I am super happy with my decision. Alongside my Mac, I own a PS5, a Series X, a Switch and all those fancy iOS-devices. Gamewise, I am good, and thanks to crossplay, I only miss a few games that have no native Mac version or a console iteration.
PC is the best place to play because you get access to xbox and playsation games and its also cheaper because there are no hidden costs and you can upgrade your components while you have to buy a new console each generation.
You buy a PS5 for $500 and you pay $400 over 5 years to play online that is $900 plus the average cost of games are cheaper, you have tons of storefronts to choose from and when you compare their prices to PSN you save a lot. When people tell you that you save money by buying a console its a myth.
Many gamers don't need that online capability, especially on Playstation with it's wonderful single player experiences. And for some of those games you do not even need that. Famous Fortnite run on XBox without Game Pass Core.
Like Alex and John said: it's the UI which is much better on this console for a TV experience. Although I am a PC gamer I use a Series X on a TV and since I have it I play even more on than ever. Cost me 350 € used with some games like RDR2 some 2 years ago. Bought some new titles on disk and sold them again when I was done. So especially considering costs I have no complains. A similar used PC with that 2080/ 3060 Ti some 2 years ago would have cost like double or triple of that Series X.
And it would not have that TV friendly UI, it would not be as sleek and small...
So for me the best platform is NOT the one with the most games ... it actually can only be the platform you play most.
You can trade-in consoles. PSN has sales all the time. PC upgrades are more expensive than buying a new console, can't resell games, more power usage, way more hackers, bugs and broken ports. PC is better in some ways but not perfect
@@RandomGamingMoments925
You can trade in PC parts or sell them on, same as console.
If anything selling parts is just as easy because all of your games still work perfectly with the new GPU/CPU. You don't have to keep it around for old titles.@@lon3wolf642
Plug and play, long lasting.
If you start with a low end pc, you still have access to most if not all games as long as you optimize settings, if you upgrade parts then you'll slightly more access to games (newer titles) but most gems are usually a few years old and work fine and won't look any different in lower settings.
You can play most games on pc. So probs.
I have a current gen console but it largely gathers dust. I play mostly on PC with many of the games I like (cRPGs, flight sims and strategy games) just being best (or often only) on PC. When I want to play a AAA console type game from the couch I stream it at max settings to a mini PC in the theatre room which with Sunshine and Moonlight using AV1 encoding is a fantastic experience.
One thing that people often forget is that consoles can use physical media like Blu-Rays or cartridges with the Nintendo Switch. That in my mind makes console gaming superior to PC imo.
With that said i still love PC gaming but over the years I have come full circle back to console gaming and now I enjoy both console and PC.
Did you forget that pcs can have blu ray drives and cartridge readers, or what?
@@KrazzeeKane Game publishers don't make bd or cartridge or any other physical media games anymore. I'll go back to PC when physical media has been completely abandoned by the big 2. That's where I'll be pirating. Never going to pay for a digital license rental only to have it taken away when a service goes away.
For me the best plataform for gamer is the one you feel comfortable with in terms of performance, graphics, etc be it a pc or a console it comes down to each gamer basically some will prefer the pc others the consoles and thats fine 🤷🏻♂️
When you are talking about "the best gaming platform" you just cannot exclude contra arguments like general efficiency, driver issues, shader compilations, ease of use, pricing etc.
Edit: I only criticised the user's question. I watched the beginning of the video and then wrote this comment.
no matter what, PC is still the best
the windows experience is pretty streamlined at this point, and driver issues are no where near as common as they are made out to be. and if you were to have an issue with a driver you can usually fix it with the keybind that resets your drivers
@@ClamChowderCondomwindows still sucks regardless
@@DeadPiixxel Nope. If you want to play the best games out there, you need a Switch. Sorry to burst your bubble, and please spare me the spiel about how you emulate Switch games in 4K at 120 fps. I've heard that nonsense before, and it is still too much of a project fiddling with settings right now. It is far from a convenient and superior experience.
Shader compilation omg it's such bullshit devs really needs to precompile them on the game first boot.
As someone who mostly plays PC now, no. Consoles just work. I believe most people don't tend to notice or care about 4K/1080p, 30-60fps, even game settings. Medium with upscaling looks fine. With PC I'm constantly troubelshooting. While I do enjoy that to a certain extent as I like to consider myslef tech savvy, between my Bazzite living room PC and Windows 11 desktop it can get tiresome. Booting something up on my One X, PS4 Pro or Steam Deck just feels great (with most issues experienced on SD, namely Rockstar games and cloud saves - damn you Social Club). For a simple and straightforward experience, where you just want to turn your device on and have it play a game, I'll always recommend console. If you want a larger library, longer term cheaper, better performing and more versatile experience, then go PC. After experiencing Steam Deck and Bazzite, I can't wait for Valve to make Linux gaming more accessible.
I work in it, I am tech savvy but I honestly don’t want to play on pc. Gaming is relaxing for me and I’m not able to do this at the same place where I’m working (remote). Plus really I hate min maxing games setting or windows in general.
I just want to sit down on my couch and play some games and them to just work (even when I’m offline)
Yes, I personally think so. And I'm not saying that mindlessly as a PC 'elitist'. I was a console gamer my entire life until 2018, when I sold my consoles and made the leap to PC gaming. As someone who's been on both sides, I personally view PC gaming as the superior option by far. I could NEVER go back to consoles at this point.
multi monitor support, possible audio setups capable for hifi, multitask, working machine, no online fees, cheaper games, emulation for anything at least till and inclusing the ps3, backwards compatibility, free peripheral choice including any console option, modding, best possible browsing experience with adblocker, steam being gigachad thanks to gaben, esports, indi games, most genres of games, best possible gaming experience and many many more things i cant think of right now. i dont have any problems with console but you dont know what you are missing if you havent had all these great things. and when you think about pc cost ask yourself do you own a mac or laptop just for working besides your console ? if so you dont evaluate the cost of a good pc as this is already THE working machine. psplus essential for 7 years is 755 euro. pc has more initial cost but dont underestimate the long time cost of consoles
Now tell me how much of this crap you just mentioned has value to the average consumer. What the average Joe wants is put in a disc and being able to play the game as quickly as possible. The only one that does it the fastest is the console. The only gaming product that will give you consistently good performance over the years is a console. It’s the best investment you can make when it comes to gaming. PS4 still has games releasing for it this year. Find me a pc the price of a ps4 that released in 2014 that can play games in the way a ps4 can. You won’t be able to. That’s where the value lies.
@@jaredcrane7547 you said so much bullshit it blows my mind
@@WhiteBoyGamerhe spoke the truth. Deal with it.
@@Ballistic-vn6emI'll point out the first fallacy by saying you can just "put a game in and get straight into the game".
You buy a console game now, you take it home and you put it in and you WAIT for the day one patch or in some rare cases, the entire game to download and THEN you play.
You buy a game on Steam (or GoG, Epic, Etc.) and the second it downloads you have the latest version already patched and ready to play.
@@distantblaze561 you literally need to ASSEMBLE PARTS in order to make the machine works, then install drivers and, in some cases, find a good combination of options to play the game with a good amount of frames per second. Also, you need to make sure that the parts you bought will actually support the games you wanna play. No, friend, don't even try to compare consoles to pc in that regard.
It all depends on the gamer. I'm the type that prefers an under-spec PC over a PS5. I have a PS5, but the games that are available to me on my low-mid-range PC have me so busy that I often forget I have a PS5. As someone who enjoys a very wide range of generations and settings to tinker with for different / superior experiences, for me, the PC is objectively the best. What other platform will allow me to play F-Zero GX in HD with a steering wheel whilst listening to extreme metal music? I can't think of another.
I sit at a desk for my work. I don't want to sit at a desk for my leisure time.
Hence I will almost always get the console version of a game, as I prefer to chill out on my big comfortable sofa...
I tried using my laptop like a console for Baldur's Gate 3 - with the laptop connected to my TV and using a bluetooth controller.
It was not a very enjoyable experience, even when using Steam big picture mode.
I'd often have to get up and fanny about with driver updates and other annoying things, which you just don't have to do with consoles.
You can hook your PC up to your TV...
@@HarryS77did you not read his comment?
@@OcarinaHero93 Yep. A laptop is not a pc. As far as uh fannying with driver updates, that's frankly fannyingly bs. Modern pc gaming is stupid simple.
@@HarryS77 a laptop is a PC lol pls tell me you’re trolling.
@@OcarinaHero93 "A laptop is a portable computer that you can use anywhere, while a desktop personal computer (PC) is a stationary computer that sits on a desk or table." Lenovo
duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhuhuhhuhuhuhuhuh
Go get your GED.
If you want to play games at 90-500 FPS not locked to a Single Platform....Short Answer....Yes.
I went to my sisters place and played on her Pc, and as a console gamer I can confidently say that i will never buy a console ever again. What sold me was mainly the fps, the smoothness and the graphics. When i came home and booted my dusty ps4 pro i turned it back off after 30 mins of playing. It was slow, laggy and just boring. I’m not getting a ps5 or a ps6 and looking forward for a pc.
Heck, even a PC at 60Hz feels better than console because i found a Samsung Syncmaster 955DF 4:3 1440p CRT monitor and i played Hades on it.
It looks so painterly on that monitor, it's like watching a bright printed art that moves.
Consoles are gaming tech dictatorship, you are stuck with that hardware and software, PC is freedom.
@@saricubra2867 plus you can play modded games and you don’t need to pay to play online.
Experience is inherently subjective and I like the console experience more than PC. I used to be a PC gamer for 20 years, but I switched in the early years of the previous generation and never looked back. I like the plug and play nature of it, I don't want to spend time upgrading my hardware, I don't want to deal with Windows etc. I don't care which one is cheaper or more expensive, I want a completely hassle-free experience preferably away from my desk because I work in front of a computer all day. Consoles tick all these boxes with a reasonable performance, at least for me, and I don't care which platform has the most games because my backlog is so huge that I wouldn't run out of games even if I didn't buy another one in the next 5 years.
Does df just not want to recognize bazzite/chimera/steamfork for couch gaming? It’s as good as a steamdeck for your tv.
I've been gaming for 30 years on PC (and Steam Deck), Xbox, Nintendo and PS (though not PS currently), and I've never heard of those things you mentioned.
@@KarlDag probably because you haven't been on the lookout for the desktop version of SteamOS 3. Valve said they'd release it eventually and it still hasn't come, so there are a few distros that try to replicate it.
Or just big picture mode
I think for most people and even most ‘gamers’ console is the better option. Especially when you break it down to the core battleground areas. Budget. Accessibility. Games. Tech knowledge. Lifestyle.
PC is the place to play if you want incremental gains for exponential cost. The fact my ps5 costs half the price of my buddies graphics card and we essentially play all the same games with me having less problems is pretty condemning imo.
We’re getting to the point where we’re seeing games struggle to push the fidelity wow factor and hardcore gamers aka anyone reading this comment perpetually talking about gameplay > graphics. The most popular games in the world run on a PS4 hardware stack.
People always say “well I can play loads of older games on PC” okay…but can you? Can you do the easily without messing around with tutorials, third party products and a ton of hoops. Is it on Steam? Excellent but wait it barely works and gets no support.
I loved gaming on my PC for very specific experiences but we’ve gone full circle and it is very much master race meme territory. Ironically DF comes to mind. It’s a niche within a niche within a niche. I love the channel but how many players can notice let alone care about 90% of what you guys talk about? I watch to learn and like this stuff but it’s so inconsequential to a vast vast majority of gamers.
They want to buy a game, hit play and go. The fact I have to troubleshoot stuff on pc in 2024 is ridiculous
Console gaming is just so much more convenient. I just press the PS button on my controller and both my TV and console turn on, everything's already updated, and I can just jump into the game. Sure, the graphics aren't as good and neither is the performance, but I like not having to mess with driver updates, graphical settings, etc.
This is why we should have never allowed phones to exist.
That very slight convenience comes at a massive cost of game variety, performance, visuals and options.
@@miliyn17 Some of us care less about the technical aspects ✌️
You make it sound like if you're too dumb to download drivers and updates.
It's no different than downloading stuff on consoles.
No college degree required.
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@@PSYCHOV3N0M Why being dumb is a bad thing if we all strive for the common goal: to enjoy playing games?
There are so many easy alternatives for people who want an "out of the box" experience these days. Every game usually has a preset. The bad ports are the ones that require you to rewrite ini files but I haven't needed to do that in a while. The idea that consoles are just far more convenient is not as relevant in 2024 especially when you consider the platforms like the steamdeck.
There is no gaming platform that can compete with the game library of the PC. It's too late to catch up at this point.
you mean the boring and shitty looking indie games? or the ported mobile games? 😆 thats ridicilous
@@Thor86- Can you play DMCV on the Switch?
Can you play Ghost of Tsushima on Xbox?
Can you play Triangle Strategy on PlayStation?
Can you play Old World on anything other than the PC?
And what's wrong with indies? You think "boring and shitty" doesn't apply at every budget level?
No matter which console you compare the PC to, the PC game library still has the upper hand even discounting emulation. That's the advantage of filling the gap each of them has and still having its own PC exclusives.
@@aquapendulumplaystation is king
PC is really only ok for enthusiasts. No one else wants to jump through all those hoops to play a game. It's too big a pain.
@@Thor86- how about emulating the consoles, emulating all of the MAME games going back to the 80s. Not to mention all the mods that can entirely change a game.
PCs don't have exclusives anymore really. Not since at least around 2009, when the switch to console as being lead platform was made and everything became largely parity locked between the two platforms. With one of those early examples being the first Wolfenstein reboot, back in 2013, with many other games to follow, such as Dragon Age Inquisition and Witcher 3, which is most famous for having had better visuals back in the E3 days which had to be dumbed down for console and PC by extension. They all started showing up parody locked not but 3 years after the decision was made to shift focus to consoles. Which makes sense, given that the average game takes about 3-4 years to develop.
Game developers, like Dice, were having a hard time porting much larger PC maps to smaller memory limited consoles. So, if the PC was pulling in 48 simultaneous players across larger maps? The console was only doing about 16-28 player map. Not only that, but devs also had to figure out how to shrink the maps and still retain the feel of the typical PC game. And this was largely the theme of things with other games as well, having larger maps with more in it than on console. So when came time to port these over to console, the console community was up in arms about "s***** console ports." You could almost never read an article where "s***** console port" wasn't a thing. This led to a switch, to where developers found it easier to just develop for the console and then tack on a little bit more polish for PC. Which obviously is not a great use for a platform that has 2-4 times the memory, CPU and GPU. And mind you, back then some of us may have opted to run rigs with up to 1500 w power supplies and three to four SLI'd GPUs. Everyone wonders what happened to SLI, it's because there's really no need for them anymore. Since console games are largely the lead platform and only developed to maximize on one smaller GPU.
So? No... PC represents diminishing gains. Sure you can spend two to four times the price for twice the frame rates and/ or resolution but that's about it. There's literally only one game right now pushing PC hardware and that is Star Citizen, which is not even released yet. In fact? If you play the average big name multi-platform game, such a Cyberpunk? You will find the same draw distance and pop-in distance on a high-end PC is as it would be on console. Like I can drive down Night City and just watch telephone poles in street lights pop into existence before my very eyes and that should never happen on an RTX 4080 PC. It's not just Cyberpunk but it's other games as well. They all have the same set draw distance pop-in, culling etc.
Anyone have recommendations for channels that are focused on PC
I think Hardware Unboxed is the best for hardware comparisons and Digital Foundry have some cool experiments with PC too (despite not being a PC-focused channel).
Linustechtips, jayztwocents
It is, in 2021 PC won the Golden Joystick Award for that beating the PS2 (maybe soon will be surpassed by the Switch) and Gabe Newell recieved the trophy lmao. Isn't a debate, the issue is how the pricing evolves for both consoles and graphics cards.
Console Gaming is just a different experience. Put the disc in, install (on PS5 you can start many games while you install it; on Switch directly). A smooth experience without optimizing many settings or searching for solutions if you have some issues. No different launchers and stuff like that. Just the clean OS, the Store build in and the advantage to trade or sell your games. Also playing on a big TV in HDR (especially with new TVs) is imo a bigger quality jump than better graphics or more fps.
IF i would play on PC, i would do it also on a TV. HDR is often broken on PC (messed up black level floor), while it is better on consoles in most cases. For me it is important with a D65 calibrated TV and accurate colors, to get also a good HDR experience.
But even if it would work well, like i said, the experience would be not the typical smooth and clean console experience. I start the PS5, chose my game (on a clean & simple UI) and can jump into my last savegame in some seconds skipping loading screens (without beeing in restmode and plugged in electricity). On Switch you have your game in general in standby without the need of power all the time. So i take it and play instantly, not matter if TV screen or handheld.
I´m also not interested in mods, i play the original games and go to the next. I understand the advantage of having your own system and beeing able to do it like you want. But thing is for Gaming i not need it anymore.The quality these days is good enough for me. For everything else i use a Notebook since many years.
my personal experience here. my ps3 (2008) still kind of works. my ps4 (2013) still works really well. my pc (2021), despite being far more expensive, has had almost every single component replaced under warranty. when it works it’s amazing, but it’s far less reliable than my consoles.
- The best hardware
- The best controller options
- The best audio
- The most customisation
- Cheaper games
- Free online
Agree with John, living room PC's suck. It's just awful and unreliable. But a desk PC, nothing touches it.
All games, mods and emulators
I switched from 16 years on Xbox to PC last year.. and i love it !! Build my own 4080 7800x3d PC and still playing on my 65" Oled Tv thanks to playnite i mostly only need my Controller thats it..
Every game 4k60fps and even more i play more games than ever before thanks also to a big libary of Xbox, Playstations and Steam games 😁
Too many hackers/cheats on pc
True, but since most of the games nowadays are crossplatform it doesn't matter if you play on console since you'll be matched with pc hackers anyways.
This is a big "depends". It depends on the types of games you mainly play, depends on if you like to stream on a second monitor while gaming, depends on if you want absolutely the best graphics/ray tracing, depends on if you like to use mods with your games, depends on how much money you have, depends on how tech savy you are l, etc.
No, the cost of entry is ridiculous, the user experience is normally crap (windows, drivers, shaders)
The user experience is typically fine. Once in a while you may run into a problem, but so long as you know a bit about computers or can google, it should be fine. These days, things like shaders and drivers don't require much thought or attention from the user. Enjoy paying 100+ dollars a year for multiplayer though.
@@HarryS77 Enjoy having to deal with trashy PC ports though, that’s why i have both PC and PS5. Last of Us remake for example, that was awful on PC. Not every PS user pays for online. Use your brain my guy
@@Owen01 I'd advise you to do the same, but apparently yours has gone missing. Too bad.
@@dodgykebaab I might come back to PC gaming if desktop Linux gaming takes off big time! One can only hope.
@@anssiaatosWell Proton did a major leap in this area thanks to steamdeck so, either you are joking or sticking in the past.
It's inarguably the best way to play games im this day and age but it just comes at a higher point of entry.
Endless backwards compatibility, emulation, mods, dirt cheap games, an absurdly varied & robust indie scene, complete freedom over your experience. PC is gaming paradise.
I bought my first PC last April after being a console gamer for 2 decades. I thought pc gaming was complicated but I was able to set it up to behave like a console (Couch gaming setup). Now, I'm stuck replaying my favorite games because seeing it run on native 4k, ultra settings and over 60 fps is a completely different experience.
I've been a PC gamer for over a decade but I've recently gone back to consoles for more story-driven games as I find that I am way more likely to actually beat them that way. It's far too easy for me to tab out and get distracted by the millions of other things I could be doing on a computer. Yes, I do have an ADHD diagnosis
Yeah similar story for me. Been a pc gamer for 30 years. I still have a really good pc setup. But after getting a ps5, I realized I enjoy that experience more. You got your couch, your tv, sound system, there are no distractions, no fiddling around settings,… It’s just the thing I need after working in front of a computer all day.
I ended up putting my gaming PC components into a smaller case and hooking it up to my TV to just be a console (but with my Steam library). Deleted everything that wasn't games, too, and I boot right into Steam Big Picture.
I play on it so much more now than I ever did before.
@@dnzrdm get a laptop or steam deck or use the pc on the living room tv problem solved
@@DeadPiixxel why? Ps5 works perfectly fine for that task.
@@dnzrdm you've been a pc gamer for 30yrs but I guess you didn't know you can use your pc on a tv like a console so you didn't have to buy a ps5.
PC all the way.
* Exclusives e.g. strategy, simulation, etc
* Game catalog - everything since the 80s + emulation
* Configurations - performance vs fidelity
* Mods - fixes, aesthetics, overhauls, etc
* Peripherals - keyboard, mouse, pad, guitar, VR, etc
Yes.
- Backwards compatible since Windows 98.
- Emulators to run console games/exclusives that were never ported or were ported poorly/missing content (ie: Saints Row 2).
- Mods to adjust the games how you please or to nearly remaster them to their best possible state (i.e: Silent Hill 2 Enhanced Edition mod, Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines unofficial patch).
- Best platform to archive games no longer sold (i.e: Driver San Francisco).
- It's currently getting Xbox and Playstation first party games natively.
- Free multiplayer after purchasing your game.
- New releases are cheaper on PC than current gen consoles and sales/price cuts are vastly superior.
- Flexibility when it comes to customizing controller/keyboard support.
I'm sure I can bring up advantages of consoles. In that instant, the so sought objectivity falls apart.
It's just a matter of preference.
@@Minarreal Objectively, what advantages does console have?
You can have the launch versions backed up on a physical bluray disc and the initial cost of a console is technically lower than a PC. That's really it.
I prefer to game on console just because I like to be 1 or 2 meters away from the screen or my head gets tired after gaming for an hour but it is undeniable PC is superior in nearly every way. Especially in current gen.
@@Manic_Panic Physical media for me. I feel like I really own my thing with them.
@@yanayana5408What about games like the crew
It all depends on what you are looking for, but me, personally, i sold my switch cuz the games were too expensive, and came back to PC, i got a Steam Deck tough, and what a lovely machine it is
Once a PC gamer always a PC gamer never looked back since 2014 even Sony exclusives release on PC nowadays
For the games I play, PCs all the way. Or a laptop for on the go. I can't deal with controllers for anything but flying or driving. I need precision for sniping and marksman rifles and a controller just won't cut it. For the living room, a PC could work just fine. They support controllers for those the prefer them and there are excellent wireless peripherals. Even a midrange PC would do the job at 4k.
I just don't like the idea of sitting at a desk to game. That's a added cost as well. So it's not just the $2000 PC you gotta shell out. It's the monitor, desk, a good comfortable chair, speakers, etc. That adds up.
I like to plop down on my couch, kick my feet up, grab my controller and press one button and I'm in... That's it.
Yeah, but your average exclusive is 40-70 dollars.
If we are talking about games themselves, well, they are developed on PCs and nothing beats the overpowered discounts from Steam.
A PC has singificantly longer longetivity and you can work on it as well.
By the way, if you have an XBOX and PS5, you still need a furniture and TV for it. The Nintendo Switch almost matches the PS2's sales for a reason.
@@saricubra2867 lol you should already have a TV and furnature way before you buy a console. Not the other way around.
I just plugged my PC into my TV.
There is the added inconvenience of going over to the PC to turn it on and sign in. But after that, I just use it like a console. Steam, let's me use a console like interface, so it just works.
The few extra steps only take a minute, but granted it is slight annoying compared to the console simplicity.
Still, for me a few extra steps is worth it for PC. I still like the consoles though.
I use the same chair, same TV, even the same headphones. Benefit of PC, while expensive for sure, is you can do anything with it.
Consoles are a great choice too though. Simple, cheap, just works well.
@@sawdust8691 I had a gaming PC. I9 10900k with a 3080ti. I got it mostly to mod games. It was fun for a little while but I always found myself tweaking settings trying to get a game to run perfectly. So it was more tweaking and modding more so than gaming.
I even tried to set it up like a console. I got a elgato stream deck and preloaded my games on the deck with the games picture so all I had to do was press the game I wanted and it launched right up. Even added a close game command, volume up and down. All the TV apps like Netlix, Hulu, etc. I did like it for that and I may build a cheaper PC just for that alone. But I use a projector and my projector only does 4K60 so I didn't really get the benefit of having a high end rig. Elden Ring on PC looked nearly identical to Elden Ring on PS5. Same goes for other games aside from modding. So I sold it. This is my setup, although the video is 2 years old and have since added a screen and built a wall unit for the speakers and to frame it around the screen.
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You can solve high cost of entry with a steamdeck, which also shader precaches and solves that issue as well.
Shader precache is solved with an overkill CPU (+12 cores) and a bunch load of fast RAM which the Steam Deck doesn't have. There's no stuttering on my 12700K.
@@saricubra2867 That's not what they meant though. They're not saying the Deck is efficient at shader compilation/caching. They're saying that because of the unified hardware, Valve literally has a setup where users can opt-in to have their shader caches uploaded, and then anyone else on Deck playing that game will have them downloaded alongside the game.
Only theoretically. On paper, it sounds like it's objectively the best. In practice, it's not even close to that kind of potential. It's simply not a convenient place to play games, especially newer ones.
In what way is it not convenient?!?!
@@AdamMi1 I have also this feeling, the bigest feature on ps4/5 is rest mode for me , i can resume my game where i stoped 3 hour/2 day/3 week ago, it is so convenient that i don't use my gaming pc because of that.. i think every customer has his own priority.
@@Bro01lly there is something similar on windows, I sadly forgot the name. You turn it off and when you turn it back on everything including games is still the same
@@AdamMi1 Yep, alt+tab on game, but it doesen't work everytime, steam OS on steam deck has this features, so i cross the finger that maybe microsoft will bring this like the quick resume on xbox.. ( also, when i press the gamepad to wake up the console, the tv turn on in the same time, and went directly on the good hdmi.. this is another thing i don't have on my deckstop pc)
You plug a PC into a TV with a HDMI port and power it through the mains. How is that different to a console?
I always wanted to switch to PC, but it almost alway was out of my price range, and the fact that I had to take the equivalent of a masters just to maximize performance through:
- Hardware Optimization
- Software Optimization
- Disabling Unnecessary Programs
Just made me way too nervous to "Just get a PC"... I'm really appreciating that more games are introducing MnK support on console which makes it more bearable... specially for shooters!
I think not having to pay a monthly subscription to play online is compelling enough to play on pc.
Yes and over time it actually ends up cheaper, I'm still using my gaming pc I built in 2018 on a 1440 display it still runs the latest games at max settings over 90fps
The only reason why I still own a console is the convenience of grabbing the controller and turning on the console. Sure, pc is better, but installing and getting the games to run can be cumbersome. If pc had an easy way to boot up, install, run and turn off, then it would be my go to choice.
@NB-1 As a kid , I fiddled around with config.sys files and all that stuff, and thought it was awesome. I played more games on my pc than the nes. Now I have steam games and a decent pc, and I have tried setting it as my main console, but for some reason, it doesn't feel as convenient. I don't want to sit in front of my computer to play a game. I do that all day because of my job. I want to chill in bed, so maybe it's the keyboard and mouse that makes it feel less convenient.