I got my i9 13900k in oct 11th 2023 so I don't think I got one of these early baches where the oxide crap happened, but the other part I found out about this last week and updated my bios to the new microcode wondering if I was too late to update it or not I mean how would I know if my cpu has degraded?.... cinerbench r23 hit 36k+ score for me and like max temp on two P cores which was a spike apparently was 85c (and apparently because of these two cores hitting 85c max for a split second it said I was throttling on these two cores which is weird because temps in general seemed great)?, but rest of the cores are chilling around 65-74 during the stress-test is that normal?. And no I haven't really experienced bluescreens or shutdowns of applications or w/e so how can I tell?
100% accurate. You can talk about voltage, vdroop, load, LLC, IA DC etc etc. All it comes down to is what Wattage you are pulling into your chip and at what temps. Running an AVX based stress test for 24 hours at Thermal throttle pulling 350+ is just so fucking obviously dumb. It's like red lining your car all day when you were just checking that it started.
I ran my 14900K since I bought it on January 11th with the Intel limits enforced. So 253W PL and a slight undervolt done with AC/DC LL and LLC4 in a Z790 Asus motherboard. AC LL - 0.30 DC LL - 1.02 LLC - 4 PL set to 253W I'm also running a 360 AIO and temps never went over 85-87~ degrees during all core workloads and 60-65 degress in gaming. The CPU was stable until a few days ago when I tried to play Calisto Protocol and the game crashed during the shader compilation (this being the first DX12 game I played in a while). Since then I tried a few more DX12 games and they all give WHEA and the "Out of video memory" error. For now it seems stable at LLC - 5 and DC LL - 0.8 I don't know if the undervolt caused the degradation or something else did it.
Degradation surely couldn’t have happened. A guy in my country had the exact same issue as you, and with two different CPUs. He was on a TUF board I believe. I think this has something to do with the fact that your chip is running at 5.7P and not 5.6P. Odds are most of these chips aren’t capable of 5.7P. It’s possible the shader installation caused degradation. Would be absolutely insane though.
@dainluke I know but companies really need to be punished for major defects in their design like this. If they tested things properly this would never happen.
I have new settings which I am using for my i9-13900k and i9-14900k. I don’t like the uncertainty of undervolting so prefer working with power and clock limits. With these settings I got a couple of FPS BETTER on CP2077 and Forza Horizon Benchmark, went from 99th to 98th percentile on PC Mark Extended, passed the Time Spy Stress Test, Time Spy was within a whisker of the average for my hardware, Cinebench R23 finished between 37-38000, CPU-Z, Intel Diag tool and Prime95 was stable and < 90 degrees. MCE off, PL1 and PL2 limit to 225, limit P-core boost to 5.3 GHz and E-core boost to 4.0GHz, and use balanced power profile in Windows (although I do disable core parking to keep system highly responsive). Oh and just XMP on the RAM. I didn’t change LLC or voltage offset values. With these settings, you should have no stability issues, be able to run on an air cooler like the NH-D15 (what I use on my 3 i9 13th/14th gen systems) and will barely notice any performance changes in gaming or productivity.
5.3/4.0 is a bit rough though. It’s quite a step down from what the out of the box performance in gaming should be. The issue with setting manual clock targets is that you lose out on game clock when power draw is low.
@@dainluke You could be right. I think my 4090 is compensating but whilst they see where the 13900k(s)/14900k(s) degradation is coming from and push a decent fix in terms of a BIOS and/or Windows update, I am happy to take a small hit - generally unnoticeable from my testing so far.
@@a120068020 Rest assured, NOTHING is being done about this. The vendors could fix this in minutes. They have chosen not to. Intel “investigating” this is actually a crazy meme. The issue is literally the vendors disobeying their spec. I don’t understand how this is even a thing.
Yea motherboards are overclock even on auto it happend with my gigabyte z790, the form to get stability on cinebench and games is to set he limit to 253 w and the P core frequency to 5.5 ghz, i lost about 500 points on cinebench and a little 1 or 2 fps in games.
I remember correctly the intel (when using xtu) sets the maxmuim for 13900k\s and 14900k\s as 320w under 70c before down bin 375a (400a for KS), 13700k is 280w under 70c before down bin 350a. I just use the stock 253 watt 307a ( I have shitty 360 aio). good video !
In my follow-up video I set some parameters by my own metrics, but a 320W limit up until 70c seems to make sense. I would say 320W would be relatively safe if one could actually cool it below 70c. Would be quite a thing to accomplish, but I know some insane cooling setups can.
Oxide breakdown would cause catastrophic failure wouldn't it? Slight electromigration may change the AC characteristics without catastrophic failure however, though too much will cause that effect.
@@soundspark Yeah it’s definitely not oxide breakdown, well at least not on the majority of chips. It is almost certainly electromigration. The prevalence of i9 issues seems to be increasing. I know it may be hard for some to believe that this is actually happening, but in all reality, it’s not all that crazy. These CPUs had a very real limit.
@@dainluke I think my CPU fried a motherboard and power supply too. I don't think my Gigabyte Z690 UD AX DDR4 was intended to run such a fire breathing dragon of a CPU. Replaced with a 1000W PSU and the Z790 model of the board which has two 8-pin instead of one 8-pin and one 4-pin power.
@@soundspark It’s hard to say what could’ve led to such a catastrophic failure. Probably would be along the lines of the VRM failing during a heavy CPU load.
I have a 14900k that I had to spend almost 6 weeks troubleshooting why my system was crashing and I found out why. The chip is supposed to be able to run 6 cores at 5.7ghz and 2 cores at 6ghz all the time but mine degraded some how just doing regular gaming on it. I now have to run all P core ratio in bios synced to 5.2ghz. Anything higher than 5.2ghz and my computer blue screens 100% of the time before even reaching the login screen.
I think this is a faulty sample. If you’ve only been gaming then that’s very odd. Also, you almost never see those high clock boosts. Typically during gaming, you should see 5.7 as per the stupid MB vendor factory OC, and 5.6P on 8 cores were it following Intel spec.
Dont jump into faulty assumptions. This exactly happened to me, not once but twice. It was a prebuilt rig so I just setted it and used right away. I used it for a month and a half with default bios settings, just and purely for gaming (rust, wow, league, enshrouded and palworld are the only games I played during that first period incident). Then I started experiencing random crashes and its occurence incremented over the days to the point pc was not usable and I decided to contact the seller, sent the pc and after 4 days they sent it back with a new 14900kf saying that my prev chip was faulty. That was 2 months ago. Guess who is typing this message fom an old laptop cause his rig is under diagnostic and repairment/replacement for the second time 😂 and this time Ive played fewer games of that previous list, just league and wow and maybe a couple times of rust, the rest wad pure workstation, im not a benchmark runner and I didnt put my pc under high loads purposedly, yet it degraded again. This second time, when I started experiencing the same exact issues (crashes upon shader compilation of games and even discord, some but few random BSOD) assumed it was not a coincidence and I decided to do some little investigation from my side, actually during the process I've learned a lot about how pcs work and this was my first contact with bios settings and that stuff. The things ppl were suggesring in reddit to fix this was just to avoid degradation (as this video suggests) but I refused to believe I had to send back my pc again for repairment and I jumped into thw field and started getting more knowledge about the matter. Apparently this time my cpu degraded waaay far beyond than the other 14900 ive had previously, to thw point I couldnt even browse google chromw withojt it crashing after searching for something on the top bar (dont ask me why but apparently the autocomplete options made it crash lmao). It was unusable, super instable and constant BSODs. Tried a lot of bios configs, changing tons of parameters till I got it stable. Set PL1&2 to 253W as suggested, icc to 307A, LLC to 4 (3 is default), MCE disabled, SVID to Intel's fail safe and what really did the magic for me was downing the cores to x53. Same config but with cores at x54 = still unstable. So after getting it stable (all worked fine) my fight was over and I RMA'ed the whole computer 😂 Time to start over. My doubt now is, should i get a third 14900kf now that I know what causes the degradation? Will I be safe? All of this bs also made me rethink and maybe I'd be more than served with a 14700 for gaming ( I'll set the intel specs manually anyways), its a cheapo and I got a bit of fobia to 14900's
@@davidadan1993 There are some motherboards that seem to be more prone to this than others. To be completely honest, I’m not sure what to tell you. This CPU is spec’d for 5.6 and runs at 5.7 out of the box, but throttles down to 5.3-5.4 in game nonsensically. Your chips are all shooting for a VID point that they can only sustain if your board has good voltage filtering and a sensible (relative to chip) stock V/F curve, and if your cooler’s mounting pressure is excellent, as mounting pressure is also a factor. To be completely honest, this is a crap product and I’m not sure if there’s a point trying to get it to work correctly.
@@dainluke Agree, i think if Im given the chance to change cpu I will change to 13700/14700kf. Not worth the maneuvers that you have to do for the little improvement it is (at least for light gaming). I was just seeking for a chip to last for 5-10 years, but apparently it had other plans for me haha. Btw, can you give me more insight about how do I have to tweak the V/F curves? Does it stand for voltage/frequency or whats is that? As said above, trying to learn a little bit everyday, now that Im without my pc Ive read a lot of things and my body asks for more knowledge! Thanks in advance
@@davidadan1993 That’s correct. One can try to offset the V/F curve by increasing the amount of core voltage via offset mode in small increments of 0.01V (10mV).
Dont buy a 14th gen i9 if you dont want your chip to degrade, the stock voltage is already too high for daily use case, most motherboards already undervolt them, if you are on a asus board, set svid behaviour to intel's fail safe and you will see the real stock voltage, you can undervolt for sure but remember these chips already crash at the motherboards' stock setting during some games' shader compilation process (there's a lot of reports about intel chips crash on some UE5 games recently and can be solved by downclock it)
I do agree with you about the 253w thing, but most motherboards just unlock the pl and most people dont even realize that they are not running the stock setting
@@polly_2526 In response to both of your comments: 1. The PL thing is true, but there should be a PSA put out, and motherboard vendors absolutely need to adjust the power limits at default. 2. You’re correct regarding the Intel VID, but the voltage in-and-of itself will not cause any damage to the chip. Electromigration will only begin to occur at the 95-105c, and once 253W has been exceeded. So long as 253W is respected, and the Tj of 100c is respected, any reasonable cooling solution will enable a user to run their 14900K without issue. Having 1.45V at idle and 1.35V under load won’t cause any harm if it’s a 200W load.
@@dainluke You are right.But you know, a lot of peaple dont know sh*t about their pc and think they are running the stock setting, which is problematic, they can both crash at the "stock" settng and degrade their chips, my suggestion is for peaple dont know what they are doing, just avoid these high clock and high power draw chips, intel is also to be blamed for not doing their job well ,on a amd platform, MB cant changed the "stock" vid and need to lock the power limit
@@dainluke Yeah, i thought 14900k is already a big problem and they will do something about it but no, they let 14900ks run at an unrealistically high 5.9ghz "stock"
I ask because I've been crashing alot lately and the only way for my games not to crash is to drop my cpu to 5.0 using xtu, am thinking to change the thermal paste, maybe it's dry by now,@@dainluke
@@lulusunshines V/F is voltage/frequency. The temperature behaviour is chip dependent and it’s difficult to determine how exactly these chips react to temp because most chips run at max temp when they’re under heavy load anyway. Speed bin simply refers to each .1GHz of stepping that Intel bins their chips to. It’s not really an important term to understand though.
Hey Luke, I was wondering if you could help me try to stabilize tWRWR_dg and tRDRD_dg timings. For the life of me, I can’t resolve the IMC errors I get after tightening these to 8. I tried everything. CPU Vcore, TX, VDD2, etc. I am lost at this point😢
tWRWRdg and tRDRDdg 8 should be doable on basically anything. If those need to be raised, then my guess is that the data rate is already not doable by the IMC/board.
@@dainluke I am using an Z790i edge. I noticed when I am doing a memory benchmark (Aida64 for example) something makes weird noises. I don’t know what it is, maybe some sort of power delivery?
@@bbbbbbb3-i8e I was also hearing some coil whine when doing the AIDA Memory benchmark on a Z790 (non-I) Edge Wifi, but my board was running with "unbent" CPU pins and, as I've recently noticed, some missing capacitors on the back of the board. You probably are not having any of these problems, but just in case, maybe look on the back of the board, see if you don't notice some missing capacitors around the top left of the board. (EDIT: I do not know if those missing components or the pins were causing the "coil whine".)
:skull: I went back to my super old notes when I first got this pc and did the initial stock 2-3 runs of everything for score comparisons before moving on to undervolting, and saw I wrote: R23, 2 runs, 40.8k, max 91c, max 320w 1.288v. 2.5B: 1 run, 66.650s, 343w, max 100c. That was at default bios LOL. Well.. I only ran it once or twice or thrice like that before doing undervolting, and my all core voltage requirements seem to be the same-ish now a year later, so I think I got away OK... I stopped doing Y-C 2.5B 1 minute run after some point in the early months. Probably ran it 15~20 times max over lifetime including fails since it took so much power.
Can a RAID 0 cause a instability on those chips ? i got laptop i9 13980hx processor and honestly RAID 0 was making windows very unstable and sort of laggy and also I have unstable fps in every game on my laptop from day 1 of using it and just wondering if this could be because of chip degradation?
The part at 15:00 makes me really worry about those brief times that I ran my 13900KS at "STOCK" to get benchmark/stock readings of an idea of what I'm working with. I NEVER did anything like "Running R23 for 10 MINUTES looping" or 1hour or 30 mins or blablabla of power virus. But I obviously did do a handful of runs of R23, or Y-Cruncher 2.5B (That is probably the hardest one I did, in fact I'm not even sure I did it at stock settings because R23 was high enough as is) and I very much remember, at stock, my 13900ks even with 4800mhz JEDEC ram, would go 95-100c with 300-320~ watts throughout a single R23 run. And when "testing load voltage" after adjusting VF curves (which I know will raise all core voltage) I would ONLY "tap" R23 for 2-3s just to get that initial reading, and stop it. Beyond those times at stock, after tuning acdc/ll, I always had my wattage capped at 300, and as-is right now, R23 will run at 1.217v, 285-290w, with like 230-245 amps (about 90-92c tops on the worst cores, down to 80c on the coldest cores). (56x/44x + 46x ring). It needs to be at this watt limit because (even with 43x E Core) the stock 56x all core just can't go below 280w~290w if I have the RAM OC on too, if I limit it to 253w or god forbid limit the 511.75max amperage to 307A (even if it doesn't actually report using more than 250A~ ever) then the cores will downclock automatically to 53x/42, or even 48/39 I've seen. If I don't run 7200mhz ram, VCORE requirements go down and it comes close to 260w. ------------ RE: 22:00 My Idle VID's are quite high after doing an OCTVB overclock. My entire VID table for 6.0 reads as 1.474 required, so my VF-10 Offset has +0.050 on it as GB6 error/whea (rarely) with less (though it might actually be 57-58-59x causing the error and not 60/61). Now this SHOULD be 1.524v MAX - but my idle VID reports go up to 1.55-1.58v if I let idle for a long time. When "doing something" ie. Super Pi 1M - it is 1.5-1.53v for 61x boosts as intended. So I'm not sure what's happening there.
if you only did it for brief periods , you should not have any actual issues. it is the continuous high voltages and temperatures for hours and hours that mess things up. That said there is no actual objective reason for anyone to be running Y-Cruncher or super PI for hours and hours. or cinebench for hours- what do you actually get from that? a benchmark to compare with others? want a challenge, go climb the Everest. And that is a lesson I did learn myself with 13th gen after degrading 2 chips - therefore I am talking about myself also. Fact of the matter is we are -or were- all trying to use practices and methodologies that were made when chips did not had 250+ watts voltages, not accepting that architectures and voltages changed considerably. As such If anyone degraded his chip doing that- and that includes myself - it is their own freaking fault. I now have a a 14th with quite good SP value for months, no issues until now and probably that will continue to be the case for the future and simply by running it within values that are at best just slight over stock.
Can running a couple of runs of cinebench R23 multi core damage the CPU at unlimited power? I did this twice when I first got my chip and it hit 100c obviously, I'm hoping I didn't damage it.
@@soundspark I changed settings to PL1 125/PL2 253, max Amps 400, and enabled everything Intel recommends like C States... I also undervolted.... Ran hardware info 64 for a week straight during all kinds of things, no errors detected, also no BSOD or any other issues, no errors during CB23 and others either, phew. How about yours?
@user-tc4tz8ww1z Since my last motherboard fried itself (but left the CPU as intact as it was previously) I selected Intel Default Settings. I have good stability, passing stress tests.
dear sir, if i run my 13900ks (240-250w) consistently 6 hours a day on 85-87 celc degrees, will it degrade soon ? sorry i dont understand much of video, bacause of my poor english....thank you
@@Beris_Mur I think you should be okay for a few years. It will degrade faster than the average gamer’s will, but the chip will be barely worth anything by the time you notice.
I have a 13900K and all of a suddend I got the VRAM Requirement message when I downloaded Forbidden West. I updated my z690 mother board to the latest BIOS and had to set fail safe power settings in the bios to boot the game. Game and Computer were stable for about a seek. All of a sudden I stated getting Blue Screens, and checked all the components I figured that I needed to reinstall Window 11. After severl days of eliminating components I decided it must be my motherboard, and have since sent it in for RMA. I am now wondering if its actually the CPU, and want to be able to test it so I can get its RMA started too. help!
@@Nth_Room It would be impossible to determine. So long as you don’t run it too heavily, I could see it being fine for 5-10 years without issue. If you are at 100c/250W regularly, then it’ll probably degrade a bit after 2-3 years.
It's 4th try to write this comment, I catch "Status access violation" in Chrome tab, where opened UA-cam DX 12 games are crashing, dota is crashing, Chrome, Telegram, even clear desktop is crashing to BSODs. It's all because of wrong settings in BIOS? Shit, so what can I do now? Buy new proccessor? Change MB? I so tired of this problem, can you give advice?
@@lexxluthorbro Y-Cruncher VT3 or Linpack Xtreme (8GB test size). Make sure to use the stock power limit and do not run these with maxed out power - crucial.
Good video I been around a while with OC I binned. Great 14900 ks I'd does vst y cruncher stable 8600 c36 I'm running 6.0 all core if 75c @1.41v bios set Load line 6 , limits maxed out 6.0 p cores ht on 52 to ring cache 4.7 thx x 16 e cores 48gb ddr5 @ 8600 c36 This passed tm5 ano vst and all the good stuff inre flashed bios passed again . I passed cod , bf , far cry 6 shaders forcing the game to.use all 32 threads have hw info 64 open watching for whea errors and none. Battlefield. 5 on shaders pulled 387 watts on 32 threads on my Apex encore. Forcing the game to use all p + e . Since passing vst , tm5 , shaders I'm.now on to gaming and will.force a 250 w limit. It's not degraded yet 3 weeks in. Iv degraded 5 chips just gaming over the years rma is great thing.
"Doesnt matter what Current load is" .... Maybe is misspeaking but Id like to clarify: Well Current is the #1 reason for degradation. You can lock the CPU to 1.55v but if there isnt any load the Current will be low & you can use that CPU for years in light loads despite the fact its 1.55v. If you see 450w that does means there is significant load on the CPU & the Current is very High. PS: BTW Im on 13700k No E-Cores 5.9/5ghz 1.37v (5.8/4.9 is 1.335v). The problem of these chips is the IHS - some are well lid/"glued", others are shit & can't be cooled fast enough so they need delliding. Thats why they fail/BSOD. Most people leave them on Auto.
I explained the reasoning for me saying that current doesn’t really matter to the end user. No end user is going to be running the CPU at 2V with 125A. Within usage ranges of 1.1-1.4V, the current is inconsequential if the power limit of 253W is adhered to. At the end of the day, although current draw is the main reason for degradation, absolutely no regular person cares. The end user only cares about the longevity of their chip and how to get there. Furthermore; every Intel CPU has a sensor for package power, and MSI AB’s in-game overlay has a readout for CPU power. Many users do not even have access to their VRM’s IOUT. Most users don’t own OC-centric boards. I maintain; outside of absurd use cases such as IABT or AI Overclocking (that NOBODY should be using), typical V/F curve voltage values will be safe at any current load that does not exceed 253W of package power at 100c. For how long remains to be seen, but that’s an argument for a different day. Regarding your comment about the IHS. It is true that some chips will speed up to Tj max faster than others. However, I don’t think it makes all that big of a difference for the majority of Intel customers. Most CPUs are mediocre. I’m sure perhaps 10% of Intel customers can under-volt their chips without issue, and there are probably chips out there that are safe up until 300W because of silicon quality and temps kept around +/-80c. I assure you that that’s super rare though.
@@n1kobg I did mention the current load, and then specifically alluded to why users shouldn’t concern themselves too much with it, as the most important thing to do is to enforce Intel limits, which will in-turn limit power and current. I don’t understand why this needs to be so convoluted.
My 13900k died in 45 days running stock BIOS. Intel refunded me. Got a 14900k and set the limits on first boot up. Insane problem. My 13900k was pinned at 300-350 watts and 100C for gaming lololol
I see those datacenter admins watching 100% CPU failure and wondering what they did wrong. lol Apparently it could only be everyone but Intel fault....but, you know, 100% fail in Linux.
Intel spec TDP meens nothing. For i7-6950x tdp 140w, but even in games I always seen 150w+. 7 years man. Rendering needs 200w+ always. Nothing happen. Just don't use high voltage and cool cpu. Max t for long load 85°c, and voltage for long load 1.25v-1.3v.
@@graviusmatt Totally different CPU generations, totally different silicon behaviour, and totally different QC standards. There are many many cases of degradation occurring, and it is quite clear that Intel spec is relevant to Raptor Lake and Meteor Lake desktop processors.
I know you were just rambling, and this was a few months ago. But here's one who points at 14900Ks running in server motherboards, so no overclocks. Running Minecraft server at ~58-82°C 30% of the CPUs are dead within 2 months, at stock turbo settings. They lowered the turbo so now only 5% are dead after those 2 months. Link: ua-cam.com/video/yYfBxmBfq7k/v-deo.html
That’s not all too surprising. I know when I discuss this topic I usually allude to the current draw and the stress of the application. When there’s ample current available, the chip will hit its all-core, and if in a perfect scenario where only two cores are loaded, inevitably it will attempt its TVB boost. The issue is that the V/F points for 5.7 and 6.0 are high. I can’t speak on whether the 6.0 boosts are more damaging than the sustained 5.7 clocks at higher current (5.7 implies enough cores were leveraged to hamper the 6.0 boost). I’ll give you a scenario. If one of those Minecraft server chips has a 5.7 V/F point at 1.38V, attempting to run merely a 150A would mean that that CPU operating at maybe 70c with a low amount of its utilisation is already above its theoretical max load Vcore, and thus degrading. A 6.0 VID might look like 1.5V on many 14900K samples, and at 1.5V, some chips are barely able to sustain low loads of 20-30A. Unfortunately, in the use case of a Minecraft server, using a 14900K is a losing battle. It’s important to note that 5.7 should not be the V/F target. The target should be 5.6, which would operate at a substantially less damaging voltage, and should be pretty reasonable to run on most samples even in stuff like Minecraft servers or games.
This video could have been shortened if your text document was already typed up prior to recording. Also too much dead time (not talking). I appreciate you explaining things but it needs to be quicker paced, and everything organized and gathered together prior to recording. Not trying to be a jerk, just give a genuine, helpful critique to make your videos go down smoothly like a soft drink instead of like medicine.
You Atleast know what your talking about. What about those who don’t such as me a complete dodo at this stuff. I mean er knew all this was going on until til my ox started going black screen and me hi king it was a you issue and don’t even overclock . Intel I do t know what you’ve done . They better release some data and facts on this . I thank you for this video it made some sense in lay mans words
It was a combination of Intel not communicating properly with motherboard vendors, as well as a lack of adequate testing, and a few other things. But yes, this was a pretty big blunder by them, given how successful and well received Alder Lake was.
I got my i9 13900k in oct 11th 2023 so I don't think I got one of these early baches where the oxide crap happened, but the other part I found out about this last week and updated my bios to the new microcode wondering if I was too late to update it or not I mean how would I know if my cpu has degraded?.... cinerbench r23 hit 36k+ score for me and like max temp on two P cores which was a spike apparently was 85c (and apparently because of these two cores hitting 85c max for a split second it said I was throttling on these two cores which is weird because temps in general seemed great)?, but rest of the cores are chilling around 65-74 during the stress-test is that normal?. And no I haven't really experienced bluescreens or shutdowns of applications or w/e so how can I tell?
100% accurate. You can talk about voltage, vdroop, load, LLC, IA DC etc etc. All it comes down to is what Wattage you are pulling into your chip and at what temps. Running an AVX based stress test for 24 hours at Thermal throttle pulling 350+ is just so fucking obviously dumb.
It's like red lining your car all day when you were just checking that it started.
Just set the thermal limit to 88c. Loading shaders yes all cores will boost the CPU to 100% and pass 250 watts. I wouldn't let the cpu go past 88c.
I ran my 14900K since I bought it on January 11th with the Intel limits enforced. So 253W PL and a slight undervolt done with AC/DC LL and LLC4 in a Z790 Asus motherboard.
AC LL - 0.30
DC LL - 1.02
LLC - 4
PL set to 253W
I'm also running a 360 AIO and temps never went over 85-87~ degrees during all core workloads and 60-65 degress in gaming. The CPU was stable until a few days ago when I tried to play Calisto Protocol and the game crashed during the shader compilation (this being the first DX12 game I played in a while). Since then I tried a few more DX12 games and they all give WHEA and the "Out of video memory" error.
For now it seems stable at LLC - 5 and DC LL - 0.8
I don't know if the undervolt caused the degradation or something else did it.
Degradation surely couldn’t have happened. A guy in my country had the exact same issue as you, and with two different CPUs. He was on a TUF board I believe. I think this has something to do with the fact that your chip is running at 5.7P and not 5.6P. Odds are most of these chips aren’t capable of 5.7P. It’s possible the shader installation caused degradation. Would be absolutely insane though.
Most likely one of your cores have gone bad, can happen even within the intel specs.
Intel should basically have to offer a refund to anyone who wants one.
That’ll never happen though.
@dainluke I know but companies really need to be punished for major defects in their design like this.
If they tested things properly this would never happen.
I have new settings which I am using for my i9-13900k and i9-14900k. I don’t like the uncertainty of undervolting so prefer working with power and clock limits. With these settings I got a couple of FPS BETTER on CP2077 and Forza Horizon Benchmark, went from 99th to 98th percentile on PC Mark Extended, passed the Time Spy Stress Test, Time Spy was within a whisker of the average for my hardware, Cinebench R23 finished between 37-38000, CPU-Z, Intel Diag tool and Prime95 was stable and < 90 degrees.
MCE off, PL1 and PL2 limit to 225, limit P-core boost to 5.3 GHz and E-core boost to 4.0GHz, and use balanced power profile in Windows (although I do disable core parking to keep system highly responsive). Oh and just XMP on the RAM. I didn’t change LLC or voltage offset values.
With these settings, you should have no stability issues, be able to run on an air cooler like the NH-D15 (what I use on my 3 i9 13th/14th gen systems) and will barely notice any performance changes in gaming or productivity.
5.3/4.0 is a bit rough though. It’s quite a step down from what the out of the box performance in gaming should be. The issue with setting manual clock targets is that you lose out on game clock when power draw is low.
@@dainluke You could be right. I think my 4090 is compensating but whilst they see where the 13900k(s)/14900k(s) degradation is coming from and push a decent fix in terms of a BIOS and/or Windows update, I am happy to take a small hit - generally unnoticeable from my testing so far.
@@a120068020 Rest assured, NOTHING is being done about this. The vendors could fix this in minutes. They have chosen not to. Intel “investigating” this is actually a crazy meme. The issue is literally the vendors disobeying their spec. I don’t understand how this is even a thing.
@@dainluke Intel should lock them into following specifications contractually.
Yea motherboards are overclock even on auto it happend with my gigabyte z790, the form to get stability on cinebench and games is to set he limit to 253 w and the P core frequency to 5.5 ghz, i lost about 500 points on cinebench and a little 1 or 2 fps in games.
Set pl1/pl2 to 180/300W for my i7 14700K, max temps are 92C.
PL1 is the long duration limit. 92c equalised at 180W of sustained load is kinda hot for what it is tbh.
92c is my peak temps during pl2 300w period in cb24. On pl1 180W temps drop to ~75c.
@@jchi6822 Ohhhh okay, that makes sense.
I remember correctly the intel (when using xtu) sets the maxmuim for 13900k\s and 14900k\s as 320w under 70c before down bin 375a (400a for KS), 13700k is 280w under 70c before down bin 350a. I just use the stock 253 watt 307a ( I have shitty 360 aio). good video !
In my follow-up video I set some parameters by my own metrics, but a 320W limit up until 70c seems to make sense. I would say 320W would be relatively safe if one could actually cool it below 70c. Would be quite a thing to accomplish, but I know some insane cooling setups can.
Great vid! Very educational
we are back to prescott/smithfield time after 20 years lol
to begin with, I don't know why ppl choose bigger process (intel 7 vs TSMC 5/6nm)
Another great video bro
Oxide breakdown would cause catastrophic failure wouldn't it?
Slight electromigration may change the AC characteristics without catastrophic failure however, though too much will cause that effect.
@@soundspark Yeah it’s definitely not oxide breakdown, well at least not on the majority of chips. It is almost certainly electromigration. The prevalence of i9 issues seems to be increasing. I know it may be hard for some to believe that this is actually happening, but in all reality, it’s not all that crazy. These CPUs had a very real limit.
@@dainluke I think my CPU fried a motherboard and power supply too. I don't think my Gigabyte Z690 UD AX DDR4 was intended to run such a fire breathing dragon of a CPU. Replaced with a 1000W PSU and the Z790 model of the board which has two 8-pin instead of one 8-pin and one 4-pin power.
@@soundspark It’s hard to say what could’ve led to such a catastrophic failure. Probably would be along the lines of the VRM failing during a heavy CPU load.
@dainluke CPU is fine however running trouble free on Intel Default Settings.
I have a 14900k that I had to spend almost 6 weeks troubleshooting why my system was crashing and I found out why. The chip is supposed to be able to run 6 cores at 5.7ghz and 2 cores at 6ghz all the time but mine degraded some how just doing regular gaming on it. I now have to run all P core ratio in bios synced to 5.2ghz. Anything higher than 5.2ghz and my computer blue screens 100% of the time before even reaching the login screen.
I think this is a faulty sample. If you’ve only been gaming then that’s very odd. Also, you almost never see those high clock boosts. Typically during gaming, you should see 5.7 as per the stupid MB vendor factory OC, and 5.6P on 8 cores were it following Intel spec.
Dont jump into faulty assumptions. This exactly happened to me, not once but twice. It was a prebuilt rig so I just setted it and used right away. I used it for a month and a half with default bios settings, just and purely for gaming (rust, wow, league, enshrouded and palworld are the only games I played during that first period incident). Then I started experiencing random crashes and its occurence incremented over the days to the point pc was not usable and I decided to contact the seller, sent the pc and after 4 days they sent it back with a new 14900kf saying that my prev chip was faulty. That was 2 months ago. Guess who is typing this message fom an old laptop cause his rig is under diagnostic and repairment/replacement for the second time 😂 and this time Ive played fewer games of that previous list, just league and wow and maybe a couple times of rust, the rest wad pure workstation, im not a benchmark runner and I didnt put my pc under high loads purposedly, yet it degraded again.
This second time, when I started experiencing the same exact issues (crashes upon shader compilation of games and even discord, some but few random BSOD) assumed it was not a coincidence and I decided to do some little investigation from my side, actually during the process I've learned a lot about how pcs work and this was my first contact with bios settings and that stuff. The things ppl were suggesring in reddit to fix this was just to avoid degradation (as this video suggests) but I refused to believe I had to send back my pc again for repairment and I jumped into thw field and started getting more knowledge about the matter.
Apparently this time my cpu degraded waaay far beyond than the other 14900 ive had previously, to thw point I couldnt even browse google chromw withojt it crashing after searching for something on the top bar (dont ask me why but apparently the autocomplete options made it crash lmao). It was unusable, super instable and constant BSODs.
Tried a lot of bios configs, changing tons of parameters till I got it stable.
Set PL1&2 to 253W as suggested, icc to 307A, LLC to 4 (3 is default), MCE disabled, SVID to Intel's fail safe and what really did the magic for me was downing the cores to x53. Same config but with cores at x54 = still unstable.
So after getting it stable (all worked fine) my fight was over and I RMA'ed the whole computer 😂
Time to start over.
My doubt now is, should i get a third 14900kf now that I know what causes the degradation? Will I be safe?
All of this bs also made me rethink and maybe I'd be more than served with a 14700 for gaming ( I'll set the intel specs manually anyways), its a cheapo and I got a bit of fobia to 14900's
@@davidadan1993 There are some motherboards that seem to be more prone to this than others. To be completely honest, I’m not sure what to tell you. This CPU is spec’d for 5.6 and runs at 5.7 out of the box, but throttles down to 5.3-5.4 in game nonsensically. Your chips are all shooting for a VID point that they can only sustain if your board has good voltage filtering and a sensible (relative to chip) stock V/F curve, and if your cooler’s mounting pressure is excellent, as mounting pressure is also a factor. To be completely honest, this is a crap product and I’m not sure if there’s a point trying to get it to work correctly.
@@dainluke Agree, i think if Im given the chance to change cpu I will change to 13700/14700kf. Not worth the maneuvers that you have to do for the little improvement it is (at least for light gaming). I was just seeking for a chip to last for 5-10 years, but apparently it had other plans for me haha.
Btw, can you give me more insight about how do I have to tweak the V/F curves? Does it stand for voltage/frequency or whats is that? As said above, trying to learn a little bit everyday, now that Im without my pc Ive read a lot of things and my body asks for more knowledge!
Thanks in advance
@@davidadan1993 That’s correct. One can try to offset the V/F curve by increasing the amount of core voltage via offset mode in small increments of 0.01V (10mV).
The mobile processors have the similar issues despite the lower frequency and lower TDP =)
only power and heat cause degradation/ and high voltage only when under high load.
That’s true, but super ambiguous, as the conditions for degradation to occur on these chips is pretty cut and dry.
Dont buy a 14th gen i9 if you dont want your chip to degrade, the stock voltage is already too high for daily use case, most motherboards already undervolt them, if you are on a asus board, set svid behaviour to intel's fail safe and you will see the real stock voltage, you can undervolt for sure but remember these chips already crash at the motherboards' stock setting during some games' shader compilation process (there's a lot of reports about intel chips crash on some UE5 games recently and can be solved by downclock it)
I do agree with you about the 253w thing, but most motherboards just unlock the pl and most people dont even realize that they are not running the stock setting
@@polly_2526 In response to both of your comments:
1. The PL thing is true, but there should be a PSA put out, and motherboard vendors absolutely need to adjust the power limits at default.
2. You’re correct regarding the Intel VID, but the voltage in-and-of itself will not cause any damage to the chip. Electromigration will only begin to occur at the 95-105c, and once 253W has been exceeded. So long as 253W is respected, and the Tj of 100c is respected, any reasonable cooling solution will enable a user to run their 14900K without issue. Having 1.45V at idle and 1.35V under load won’t cause any harm if it’s a 200W load.
@@dainluke You are right.But you know, a lot of peaple dont know sh*t about their pc and think they are running the stock setting, which is problematic, they can both crash at the "stock" settng and degrade their chips, my suggestion is for peaple dont know what they are doing, just avoid these high clock and high power draw chips, intel is also to be blamed for not doing their job well ,on a amd platform, MB cant changed the "stock" vid and need to lock the power limit
@@polly_2526 You’re probably right in that regard. It’s just so silly that this is even a problem. I can’t believe motherboard vendors are doing this.
@@dainluke Yeah, i thought 14900k is already a big problem and they will do something about it but no, they let 14900ks run at an unrealistically high 5.9ghz "stock"
is there a software that can check if my CPU has been degraded just like there is software for HDD and SDD/m.2 etc ?
Unfortunately not. The only way to be truly certain is to experience crashing with the same settings and same apps, that previously did not.
I ask because I've been crashing alot lately and the only way for my games not to crash is to drop my cpu to 5.0 using xtu, am thinking to change the thermal paste, maybe it's dry by now,@@dainluke
MY PC ENDED ITSELF A MINUS FORUM 690 THEN A MONTH LATER MY 75 INCH TV POOF GONE IT BLEW NOT THE BREAKER
hi, V / F is Volt / Fahrenheit ? And this "speed bin" ? thanks + cheers
@@lulusunshines V/F is voltage/frequency. The temperature behaviour is chip dependent and it’s difficult to determine how exactly these chips react to temp because most chips run at max temp when they’re under heavy load anyway.
Speed bin simply refers to each .1GHz of stepping that Intel bins their chips to. It’s not really an important term to understand though.
Hey Luke,
I was wondering if you could help me try to stabilize tWRWR_dg and tRDRD_dg timings. For the life of me, I can’t resolve the IMC errors I get after tightening these to 8. I tried everything. CPU Vcore, TX, VDD2, etc. I am lost at this point😢
tWRWRdg and tRDRDdg 8 should be doable on basically anything. If those need to be raised, then my guess is that the data rate is already not doable by the IMC/board.
@@dainluke I am using an Z790i edge. I noticed when I am doing a memory benchmark (Aida64 for example) something makes weird noises. I don’t know what it is, maybe some sort of power delivery?
@@bbbbbbb3-i8e It’s quite normal with AIDA. I really couldn’t tell you where the noise is coming from.
@@bbbbbbb3-i8e I was also hearing some coil whine when doing the AIDA Memory benchmark on a Z790 (non-I) Edge Wifi, but my board was running with "unbent" CPU pins and, as I've recently noticed, some missing capacitors on the back of the board. You probably are not having any of these problems, but just in case, maybe look on the back of the board, see if you don't notice some missing capacitors around the top left of the board. (EDIT: I do not know if those missing components or the pins were causing the "coil whine".)
:skull: I went back to my super old notes when I first got this pc and did the initial stock 2-3 runs of everything for score comparisons before moving on to undervolting, and saw I wrote: R23, 2 runs, 40.8k, max 91c, max 320w 1.288v. 2.5B: 1 run, 66.650s, 343w, max 100c.
That was at default bios LOL. Well.. I only ran it once or twice or thrice like that before doing undervolting, and my all core voltage requirements seem to be the same-ish now a year later, so I think I got away OK...
I stopped doing Y-C 2.5B 1 minute run after some point in the early months. Probably ran it 15~20 times max over lifetime including fails since it took so much power.
Can a RAID 0 cause a instability on those chips ? i got laptop i9 13980hx processor and honestly RAID 0 was making windows very unstable and sort of laggy and also I have unstable fps in every game on my laptop from day 1 of using it and just wondering if this could be because of chip degradation?
@@trojaxx904 temps maybe?
The part at 15:00 makes me really worry about those brief times that I ran my 13900KS at "STOCK" to get benchmark/stock readings of an idea of what I'm working with.
I NEVER did anything like "Running R23 for 10 MINUTES looping" or 1hour or 30 mins or blablabla of power virus. But I obviously did do a handful of runs of R23, or Y-Cruncher 2.5B (That is probably the hardest one I did, in fact I'm not even sure I did it at stock settings because R23 was high enough as is) and I very much remember, at stock, my 13900ks even with 4800mhz JEDEC ram, would go 95-100c with 300-320~ watts throughout a single R23 run. And when "testing load voltage" after adjusting VF curves (which I know will raise all core voltage) I would ONLY "tap" R23 for 2-3s just to get that initial reading, and stop it.
Beyond those times at stock, after tuning acdc/ll, I always had my wattage capped at 300, and as-is right now, R23 will run at 1.217v, 285-290w, with like 230-245 amps (about 90-92c tops on the worst cores, down to 80c on the coldest cores). (56x/44x + 46x ring).
It needs to be at this watt limit because (even with 43x E Core) the stock 56x all core just can't go below 280w~290w if I have the RAM OC on too, if I limit it to 253w or god forbid limit the 511.75max amperage to 307A (even if it doesn't actually report using more than 250A~ ever) then the cores will downclock automatically to 53x/42, or even 48/39 I've seen. If I don't run 7200mhz ram, VCORE requirements go down and it comes close to 260w.
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RE: 22:00
My Idle VID's are quite high after doing an OCTVB overclock. My entire VID table for 6.0 reads as 1.474 required, so my VF-10 Offset has +0.050 on it as GB6 error/whea (rarely) with less (though it might actually be 57-58-59x causing the error and not 60/61). Now this SHOULD be 1.524v MAX - but my idle VID reports go up to 1.55-1.58v if I let idle for a long time. When "doing something" ie. Super Pi 1M - it is 1.5-1.53v for 61x boosts as intended. So I'm not sure what's happening there.
if you only did it for brief periods , you should not have any actual issues. it is the continuous high voltages and temperatures for hours and hours that mess things up.
That said there is no actual objective reason for anyone to be running Y-Cruncher or super PI for hours and hours. or cinebench for hours- what do you actually get from that? a benchmark to compare with others? want a challenge, go climb the Everest.
And that is a lesson I did learn myself with 13th gen after degrading 2 chips - therefore I am talking about myself also.
Fact of the matter is we are -or were- all trying to use practices and methodologies that were made when chips did not had 250+ watts voltages, not accepting that architectures and voltages changed considerably. As such If anyone degraded his chip doing that- and that includes myself - it is their own freaking fault. I now have a a 14th with quite good SP value for months, no issues until now and probably that will continue to be the case for the future and simply by running it within values that are at best just slight over stock.
Can running a couple of runs of cinebench R23 multi core damage the CPU at unlimited power? I did this twice when I first got my chip and it hit 100c obviously, I'm hoping I didn't damage it.
How is your stability? No app crashes/BSODs happening at random? No crashes when UE games are compiling shaders, and no errors running Prime95?
@@soundspark I changed settings to PL1 125/PL2 253, max Amps 400, and enabled everything Intel recommends like C States... I also undervolted.... Ran hardware info 64 for a week straight during all kinds of things, no errors detected, also no BSOD or any other issues, no errors during CB23 and others either, phew. How about yours?
@user-tc4tz8ww1z Since my last motherboard fried itself (but left the CPU as intact as it was previously) I selected Intel Default Settings. I have good stability, passing stress tests.
dear sir, if i run my 13900ks (240-250w) consistently 6 hours a day on 85-87 celc degrees, will it degrade soon ? sorry i dont understand much of video, bacause of my poor english....thank you
@@Beris_Mur I think you should be okay for a few years. It will degrade faster than the average gamer’s will, but the chip will be barely worth anything by the time you notice.
@@dainluke thank you very much for your answer 🙏
I have a 13900K and all of a suddend I got the VRAM Requirement message when I downloaded Forbidden West. I updated my z690 mother board to the latest BIOS and had to set fail safe power settings in the bios to boot the game. Game and Computer were stable for about a seek.
All of a sudden I stated getting Blue Screens, and checked all the components I figured that I needed to reinstall Window 11. After severl days of eliminating components I decided it must be my motherboard, and have since sent it in for RMA.
I am now wondering if its actually the CPU, and want to be able to test it so I can get its RMA started too.
help!
It is the CPU I think. I haven’t experienced that just yet, but on my personal 13900K, I’ve found that the -25mV undervolt is not stable in CS2.
Both my mobo and cpu needed replaced
@@malachiashley528 how did you you figure out it was the CPU?
So you said it fine if i set 253w max ? And fine for how long 2y or more. Reply me
Enforce intel limits, yes.
@@dainluke what average life of CPU on Intel default setting. (Like how many years it will work) Reply me
@@Nth_Room It would be impossible to determine. So long as you don’t run it too heavily, I could see it being fine for 5-10 years without issue. If you are at 100c/250W regularly, then it’ll probably degrade a bit after 2-3 years.
@@dainluke that's mean I'm in denger 🥺 with 13900k
@@Nth_Room Why?
It's 4th try to write this comment, I catch "Status access violation" in Chrome tab, where opened UA-cam
DX 12 games are crashing, dota is crashing, Chrome, Telegram, even clear desktop is crashing to BSODs.
It's all because of wrong settings in BIOS? Shit, so what can I do now? Buy new proccessor? Change MB? I so tired of this problem, can you give advice?
Do you own a 14900K?
@@dainluke no, i have 13900KF
@@lexxluthorbro First, are we positive this isn’t RAM-related?
@@dainluke How to become 100% sure about this? Which mem test should I use?
@@lexxluthorbro Y-Cruncher VT3 or Linpack Xtreme (8GB test size). Make sure to use the stock power limit and do not run these with maxed out power - crucial.
The only CPU that has caused BSODs in Windows 11...
Good video I been around a while with OC
I binned. Great 14900 ks
I'd does vst y cruncher stable 8600 c36
I'm running
6.0 all core if 75c @1.41v bios set Load line 6 , limits maxed out
6.0 p cores ht on
52 to ring cache
4.7 thx x 16 e cores
48gb ddr5 @ 8600 c36
This passed tm5 ano vst and all the good stuff inre flashed bios passed again .
I passed cod , bf , far cry 6 shaders forcing the game to.use all 32 threads have hw info 64 open watching for whea errors and none.
Battlefield. 5 on shaders pulled
387 watts on 32 threads on my Apex encore. Forcing the game to use all p + e .
Since passing vst , tm5 , shaders I'm.now on to gaming and will.force a 250 w limit.
It's not degraded yet 3 weeks in.
Iv degraded 5 chips just gaming over the years rma is great thing.
"Doesnt matter what Current load is" .... Maybe is misspeaking but Id like to clarify:
Well Current is the #1 reason for degradation. You can lock the CPU to 1.55v but if there isnt any load the Current will be low & you can use that CPU for years in light loads despite the fact its 1.55v. If you see 450w that does means there is significant load on the CPU & the Current is very High.
PS: BTW Im on 13700k No E-Cores 5.9/5ghz 1.37v (5.8/4.9 is 1.335v). The problem of these chips is the IHS - some are well lid/"glued", others are shit & can't be cooled fast enough so they need delliding. Thats why they fail/BSOD. Most people leave them on Auto.
I explained the reasoning for me saying that current doesn’t really matter to the end user. No end user is going to be running the CPU at 2V with 125A. Within usage ranges of 1.1-1.4V, the current is inconsequential if the power limit of 253W is adhered to.
At the end of the day, although current draw is the main reason for degradation, absolutely no regular person cares. The end user only cares about the longevity of their chip and how to get there.
Furthermore; every Intel CPU has a sensor for package power, and MSI AB’s in-game overlay has a readout for CPU power. Many users do not even have access to their VRM’s IOUT. Most users don’t own OC-centric boards.
I maintain; outside of absurd use cases such as IABT or AI Overclocking (that NOBODY should be using), typical V/F curve voltage values will be safe at any current load that does not exceed 253W of package power at 100c. For how long remains to be seen, but that’s an argument for a different day.
Regarding your comment about the IHS. It is true that some chips will speed up to Tj max faster than others. However, I don’t think it makes all that big of a difference for the majority of Intel customers. Most CPUs are mediocre. I’m sure perhaps 10% of Intel customers can under-volt their chips without issue, and there are probably chips out there that are safe up until 300W because of silicon quality and temps kept around +/-80c. I assure you that that’s super rare though.
@@dainluke The title is "i9-13900K/14900K Degradation Explained". Maybe different the title then ..
@@n1kobg I did mention the current load, and then specifically alluded to why users shouldn’t concern themselves too much with it, as the most important thing to do is to enforce Intel limits, which will in-turn limit power and current. I don’t understand why this needs to be so convoluted.
My 13900k died in 45 days running stock BIOS. Intel refunded me. Got a 14900k and set the limits on first boot up. Insane problem. My 13900k was pinned at 300-350 watts and 100C for gaming lololol
That sounds incredibly dubious.
I see those datacenter admins watching 100% CPU failure and wondering what they did wrong. lol
Apparently it could only be everyone but Intel fault....but, you know, 100% fail in Linux.
Its rough waiting for you to type out what you just said. Maybe voice typing next time or type your notes before the video.
I dunno, it adds an element of interest to the video.
Intel spec TDP meens nothing. For i7-6950x tdp 140w, but even in games I always seen 150w+. 7 years man. Rendering needs 200w+ always. Nothing happen. Just don't use high voltage and cool cpu. Max t for long load 85°c, and voltage for long load 1.25v-1.3v.
Is it w9-3495x degrade from the box with 420w?
@@graviusmatt Totally different CPU generations, totally different silicon behaviour, and totally different QC standards. There are many many cases of degradation occurring, and it is quite clear that Intel spec is relevant to Raptor Lake and Meteor Lake desktop processors.
I know you were just rambling, and this was a few months ago. But here's one who points at 14900Ks running in server motherboards, so no overclocks. Running Minecraft server at ~58-82°C 30% of the CPUs are dead within 2 months, at stock turbo settings. They lowered the turbo so now only 5% are dead after those 2 months. Link: ua-cam.com/video/yYfBxmBfq7k/v-deo.html
That’s not all too surprising. I know when I discuss this topic I usually allude to the current draw and the stress of the application. When there’s ample current available, the chip will hit its all-core, and if in a perfect scenario where only two cores are loaded, inevitably it will attempt its TVB boost. The issue is that the V/F points for 5.7 and 6.0 are high. I can’t speak on whether the 6.0 boosts are more damaging than the sustained 5.7 clocks at higher current (5.7 implies enough cores were leveraged to hamper the 6.0 boost).
I’ll give you a scenario. If one of those Minecraft server chips has a 5.7 V/F point at 1.38V, attempting to run merely a 150A would mean that that CPU operating at maybe 70c with a low amount of its utilisation is already above its theoretical max load Vcore, and thus degrading. A 6.0 VID might look like 1.5V on many 14900K samples, and at 1.5V, some chips are barely able to sustain low loads of 20-30A. Unfortunately, in the use case of a Minecraft server, using a 14900K is a losing battle.
It’s important to note that 5.7 should not be the V/F target. The target should be 5.6, which would operate at a substantially less damaging voltage, and should be pretty reasonable to run on most samples even in stuff like Minecraft servers or games.
This video could have been shortened if your text document was already typed up prior to recording. Also too much dead time (not talking). I appreciate you explaining things but it needs to be quicker paced, and everything organized and gathered together prior to recording.
Not trying to be a jerk, just give a genuine, helpful critique to make your videos go down smoothly like a soft drink instead of like medicine.
@@omegaprime516 Fair enough
nice video
5:31 are you kidding me? thats what ps3 emulator do, so im killing my i7 12700kf? its oc 5.2p and 4.0e .. ring 4.4
I went to that section of the video; what exactly is happening with PS3 emulation?
@@dainluke it use avx and compiling stuff etc, its quite heavy for cpu
You Atleast know what your talking about. What about those who don’t such as me a complete dodo at this stuff. I mean er knew all this was going on until til my ox started going black screen and me hi king it was a you issue and don’t even overclock . Intel I do t know what you’ve done . They better release some data and facts on this . I thank you for this video it made some sense in lay mans words
It was a combination of Intel not communicating properly with motherboard vendors, as well as a lack of adequate testing, and a few other things. But yes, this was a pretty big blunder by them, given how successful and well received Alder Lake was.