6:56 As you probably have realised, in the anime it's not really possible to see what way Grisha is looking in EP1. HOWEVER, in the first chapter of the manga, it is. And you can clearly see him looking at where Eren is in this episode, and in the corresponding chapter (121)
Eren knew from the moment he kissed Historia's hand, thats why he became so cold from that moment, the question you should be asking is does Eren really have any free will to change the events that play out if hes literally seen them play out that way, if he had a choice then he wouldn't see that future would he?
It's not if he had a choice then he wouldn't see that future. It is if he chose something else, then he wouldn't see that future. All him seeing that future means is that he chose those actions. Are you positing some supernatural force that stops Eren from choosing otherwise?
@@Bridge2110 That's the philosophical question though. If you see the future that you are going to make a certain choice, and then the moment arrives and you do exactly as you foresaw, did you really have a choice to begin with? If we start from the premise that, in this world, someone has the power to accurately know or see the future, then is it possible for that person to act in any way to change the future? If they have the ability to choose differently to change the outcome, then what they previously saw was not actually the future, which contradicts the initial premise. Keep in mind that "seeing the future" is a supernatural idea already. A lot of fiction has played with this idea and come up with different answers. Sometimes the ability is a bit broader, like, they can see possible futures but those futures remain in flux. Sometimes the prophet has a blind spot if it involves their own actions. And sometimes nothing can be changed, the future is set in stone, free will doesn't truly exist. (Spoilers) In later episodes we see flashbacks of Eren struggling with this very idea. He often seems very unhappy with how things are going but he seems unable to act otherwise. IIRC Armin even called him out on it, asking how he can say he's truly free.
Grisha asked Zeke to stop Eren but he could have just decided not to give the titan to kid Eren. The reason he went along with Eren’s plan and passed the titan to kid Eren was because after the Royal family massacre, he met with kid Eren and found out the walls had been broken and his wife had been killed. This made him want vengeance against Marley so he went along with Eren’s plan.
This is a good take. I like to think grisha realized that it was already too late to change anything, and the only way forward was with the plan that Eren had shown him.
@@Сайтамен he saw Eren’s plan and didn’t want to go along with it that’s why he asked Zeke to stop him. But when he met up with kid Eren he tells him to avenge Carla. He found out his wife died and decided to go along with it entrusting the titan to Eren.
you can’t change the future, its already decided. 🚨 SPOILER: do you remember when Eren didn't want to protect Ramzi in Marley from being beaten for stealing? he saved him anyway and then he was sure that there was nothing he could do to change the course of events.
If you look at the first chapter of the manga, Grisha's eyes are in shadow and you can actually see him looking off to the side as he holds the key up and speaks. Such good planning from the author. He really had all this outlined from the beginning.
Loved your analysis on this episode! They were all spot on. Side note: season 1 ep 9, Grisha says to Eren, “if you want to save Mikasa and armin, you must master this power…” aka the same thing Kruger told Grisha. Isayama was setting the twist that Eren has always had influence over the past attack titans
Also, Eren showed Grisha that Rod Reiss should have survived in order for him to kidnap both him and Historia. All these little details lead to Eren kissing Historia's hand and his future is revealed to him. Thus, a perfect circle.
Kreuger's words of "If you want to save Armin and Mikasa...." were spoken by Grisha to Eren when he gave him the injection. So it was Kreuger seeing his future inheritor's memories.
Grisha & Eren are the only ones to realise that Attack Titan contains future memories. The 'save Armin, Mikasa' by Kruger - was a thought sent by Founder Eren from the future, through the Attack Titan. Kruger says that to Grisha. Grisha later realises why Kruger says that... as over his life, he realises that he is able to see that some memories are from his son, Eren in the future. He understood that it was Eren that made Kruger say that... so when he passes the Titans to Eren he says those lines to Eren... The line of thinking of Grisha is.... "I know that Eren from future is making me go this path, all the stuff that is happening is because you're making it happen... I know it was you who spoke to Kruger about saving Mikasa, Armin... so carry on, avenge Carla, if you want to save Armin, Mikasa and everyone, you have to master this power"... tldr; it wasn't Grisha's memories... plus, both lines are different... Kruger says to ' fulfill the mission' ... but Grisha says 'you've to master this power'... meaning Grisha has his own understanding and. agency... while Kruger was parroting a thought from an unknown source.
Grisha seeing Mikasa as his daughter always kills me. T_T ... Just like his freaking voice actor does. Such a good performance. It's not super well explained and you have to really pay attention to the dialog and various scenes, but it's not like the attack titan holders see the future, but rather that attack titan holders can send memories back to previous holders to influence them, even before they have the titan, including himself (remember the beginning of the very first episode of season 1 with Eren under the tree?). That's why Grisha asked why Eren didn't show him everything, like what became of Carla - something he only learns back at the refugee camp before he lets young Eren eat him. That's why Grisha was able to see Zeke, he basically got memories from Eren, looking through Eren's eyes who looked at the two of them. Or when he was at the door with the key, he saw a memory of looking at himself in that moment (that sounds super creepy btw). It's not time travel, but still a time paradox, because all of what played out, was only possible to play out because Zeke would take Eren through those memories in the future. So, yeah. AoT is Eren's villain origin story. But Eren only knew when he kissed Historia's hand, that's when he saw it too. That's why he looked so shook in that moment, and then became all quiet and grew his hair out in that following year. I actually suspected this a few seasons ago already, at least to a degree, because they kept prepping Eren up to this. All this "in order to defeat monsters you have to become a monster yourself" and Eren constantly being "I KILL THEM ALL, I WIPE THEM ALL OFF OF THE EARTH!" or "If we defeat our enemies over there (aka the rest of the world), will we finally be free?" - all while everyone was putting this immense pressure on him about being the savior of humanity, even though he was just a traumatized kid. The crazy thing about this concept however are the possible implications. Like, how far back goes Eren's influence? Is he responsible for Marley suddenly gaining half of the titan powers and fighting back against the Eldian Empire in the great titan war, ultimately having them retreat back to the island? 16:47 That's why I comment to the episode where Eren gets eaten, that they do a good job of making Eren look like the "protagonist". It's a double meaning. Without context you read it as "oh, because he dies", but with context it turns into "oh, because he's the antagonist". :)
The Attack Titan is basically a counter to the Royad Bloodline. They could erase people's memories yet the Attack Titan has memories of the future not the past. That is why they never bowed to the King.
thanks to zeke taking eren to that memory of the cave, that moment is transformed into a memory and that memory is the one that eren sends to grisha...grisha is seeing himself from eren's perspective, eren cannot see the whole future nor the heavy one...nor can they influence what has already happened or is going to happen.
Side note for the voice actor of grisha. He got a lot of praise for that one scene and it was a huge shock and injustice that he didn't win any awards or get any nominations
I saw on your Patreon you did an All Openings Reaction/Rating video. I hope you guys also do an All Endings video too. The first ED for the first season explains the whole series and is so touching! Love the work and effort you put into your videos!
There's a couple times in the show, example: when Mikasa was telling Eren that Annie is the enemy, and that they have to fight her and he was all like "I don't wanna" But when he starts to see the "reality" of the world at that time, you can hear the rumbling while he pumps himself up to make Annie out to be the enemy. Mikasa actually shows Eren this behavior of like, getting close and whispering sweet nothings to manipulate someone. She gasses him up. Then here, when he's listening to the Royal family talk about just taking the loss for the world and you can hear the rumbling yet again.
Eren actually doesn't know that he could do that to his dad, as he's doing it, it's fresh to him too. This is why earlier when Zeke and Grisha see each other the first time, Eren is surprised, which means he didn't know that would happen. But he then connected two and two and saw the confirmation, just based on the past, Eren is able to determine that he "does/did" something along the memories they were looking at. Zeke doing this is enabling Eren, twisted fate.
@@Сайтамен First off you need to address the "surprise" on Eren's face when Grisha saw Zeke. Why would Eren be caught off guard if he saw himself manipulate his father before? It makes 0 sense You're argument is fallible, due to that split second scene. Go back and watch if you don't believe me. But also, go back and watch when Annie first is revealed, Eren is under the rubble trying to make sense of everything, and watch what Mikasa does to make him think of Annie as an enemy. Please, just don't argue just because you were mistaken, I hate that, I'm honestly just helping you. we both know I am right.
I love the whole concept of Eren doing to past Attack Titans what the king did to future Royal Titans. He bounds them to never renounce war. And the ending… this is my favorite episode of the show
The creation story of Attack on Titan and Hajime Isayama is incredible, as well as the protagonist Eren Yeager, how he was created, is the biggest twist in this manga/anime....
nope... they nailed it wrong... nature and nurture both play a part. It was nurture & nature of the world that pushed him to the path he set himself on
ill try to explain everything : 1 When someone inherits a Titan, they gain the memories of its previous holders. 2 The Attack Titan is unique because its holder can also see memories from future inheritors. When Eren touched Historia, he unlocked all of Grisha's memories, including the future memories Grisha had seen through Eren (a future inheritor of the Attack Titan). This is why Eren knew how to act to ensure Zeke would take him to view the memories and replay the pivotal moment-convincing Grisha to take the Founding Titan. ( time loop?) It’s important to note that Grisha didn’t literally see Eren or Zeke in the moment. Instead, he experienced the future memories as they were perceived by Eren. This is why Grisha only sees Zeke when Eren is looking directly at him. What doesn’t make sense to me: When Grisha tells Zeke to stop Eren, he hasn’t yet given the Attack Titan to Eren. So why didn’t he simply choose not to inject Eren with the serum and transfer the Titan? Possible explanation: Perhaps after returning and discovering Carla's death, Grisha was overcome with grief and anger, which led him to proceed with the plan and give Eren the Attack Titan.
Your possible explanation about him giving the titan after all that is one of the most fan theories way back in reddit. It's the only plausible explanation. He lost his wife for the 2nd time so it's understandable for Grisha to give eren the power
Grisha's time was up as holder. Maybe a year left. Also, if he refused to give it to Eren, then Grisha would never get the Attack Titan because Eren would not exist to make the Owl give it to Grisha. Think of Grisha's questions to the Owl. "Why did you keep cutting off the fingers of your own people in service to Marley? Why did you do all of this?" And the Owl told him that he wasn't sure, that he felt like he was just marking time and waiting for something. Eren ruined whatever normal life the Owl may have had. Just blanked the Owl as a person, and forced him into a holding pattern, in hiding. He was just a placeholder for the Attack Titan, to last those thirteen years, forcing the Owl to become disconnected from reality and just slowly trudge forward. And, Eren would be the one to inform the Owl of Dina Kruger, and have her sent to the Restorationists, causing Zeke to be born. We see three holders of the Attack Titan, and how awful their lives were. The Attack Titan's powers are broken as hell. Adding in the abilities of the Founder just made it worse. I also wonder if Eren experimented with eating say, the Jaw or the Colossal, and decided that those were unneeded for his plan to work.
YOU MUST REWATCH after you finish the series. It’s insane the amount of stuff you pickup on knowing what you know now. There’s so much stuff that isayama purposely hid, knowing that we’d pickup on it AFTER the series was over. Example: Bertholdt about to bite his hand to turn, in season 2
It's fun even if you just start with the plot twist about our warrior group. So many dialogs & little facial expressions suddenly completely change their meaning if you are aware of the context behind them.
Eren didnt know since he was born, he has known since he kissed Historias hand and he got the memories of the future. Since then the past, present and the future is all the same for him.
The attack titan has memories of the future because Eren, having both the attack and founding titans, sent the memories back to the previous attack titans. And Zeke showing him all of these memories is what enabled him to do that. So every time Grisha sees Eren or Zeke in this episode it's because he's seeing Eren's memory of seeing Grisha's own memory via Zeke, lol.
Okay, for the last time I am going to give some reactors my silly but potentially useful analogy: *Eren is a secret YT reactor* 🤣 So to start, Zeke comes up to Eren one day in the Paths and was like, "Yo Eren, Ymir gave me this uncut video of Grisha's memories starting from your birth, ya wanna watch it?" and Eren was like "all right", and so they watched it together. But unbeknownst to Zeke, Eren recorded their reactions, sent the reaction video back in time into Grisha's head, and then pressed PLAY right at the moment of his birth, so that Grisha was living out his life and watching Eren and Zeke's *reaction to* his life simultaneously 🤯 Which included Eren's (and Zeke's) running commentary on his life, which is how Eren was able to influence Grisha. And then "later" (earlier?) Eren gets Grisha's memories (or some of them) when he kisses Historia's hand, and those memories include Grisha's interactions with future Eren, so that's how Eren was able to know Zeke was going to show him the memories to begin with. Crazy, huh? 😆Hope this helps!
I wouldnt describe Eren as born evil. Extreme? Sure - he has shown he strongly believes in justice (his percieved sense of), protecting his loved ones, and survival/freedom of those around him. However, add on the fact that he started with main character syndrome, but realized he is not superman after suffering trauma after trauma, even with titan abilities. When you've lost that much at such a young age, it would be hard not to become jaded and even more extreme. Remember in S3, when Armin was being argued over for revival, Eren noted Armin wasnt like him because "the only thoughts i have left are full of hate", but this was before he even went to the basement. I'm not justifying Eren's behavior, but with what he has suffered through, combined with his personality which has good ideals but with an "at any cost" mentality, it is understandable how he ended up here. Nature vs nurture and all that but his nature was not nurtured properly 😂
There are evil characters and actions on the show, but I agree, Eren and most of the characters are traumatized, cursed, oppressed, and those things can turn people towards evil or careless actions
As good as the foreshadowing is in the show, the way it was portrayed in the manga is even more audacious in hindsight, particularly where Grisha was shown not to be looking at young Eren while talking about the basement/key.
Eren only knew when he kissed Historia's hand at the end of season 3. He was in the dark before then. Eren thinks he's free, but is actually a slave to his unending ideal of absolute freedom.
Also, Grisha is able to see Zeke because he's looking through Eren's memories. Every time Grisha is able to see him, Eren is standing in line of sight of both of them.
I was almost on tears rewatching it. Grisha voice actor went insane. And the author showed us another side of Grisha. Naaah too good. Unreal manga/anime. Eren knew only from the touch of Historia. And thats when he changed.
Is a misconception that Eren who kissed Historia hand knew the whole future.He got acces to Grisha memories and he saw the future that actual Erem sent to Grisha.Eren knew only what Grisha knew.
not spoiler: theres actually a theory that in season 1, there are times where you will see a person in a hood the same as present eren in the background looking at young eren, mikasa and armin, and other scenes that i am not exactly sure where but that same man with hood is just in the background in some scenes
btw, everytime eren touches a royalty, he sees the past or future of a coordinate holder, thats why the kissing the hand scene was shown and then eren looks so pissed and angry at a moment after he kissed her hand
Correction : you guys got it right in the end. Eren did not have foresight in season 1,2,3 until Historia kiss scene. But you should also deduce that he doesn't have full foresight. Because there are numerous instances in season 4, Eren is actually surprised and has shock face multiple times. eg. (a moment during willy tybur, jaw titan's power, marley re-attacking as soon as they did, gabi's shot, ymir bypassing him... etc) Eren is born the way he is, that's his nature to be not caged in... But you're wrong about him being 'Evil'... Eren became a 'dEvil' because the reality of the world is that it's a 'cruel' world. Take the Eren saving Mikasa incident - 1. Eren uses violence to kill and save someone 2. Eren befriends Mikasa and gives her the scarf. The world is cruel & beautiful. Same applies to Eren. Eren does beautiful things, but because the world is messed up, he has to do cruel things. The whole reason Eren moves as a rebel, is because Paradis is a cage, meant for slaughter. He can't accept that, so he fights.
BACK IN SEASON 3, WHEN EREN KISSED HISTORIA'S HAND, HE EITHER SAW: A. FUTURE EREN THROUGH GRISHA'S POV B. SAW GRISHA THROUGH FUTURE EREN'S POV that's why his whole demeanor changed during the last episode of season 3
Yeah, I suspected him becoming the villain pretty early because they really prepped him up to that role even in season 1 already. But I was fully convinced at the sea when he questions if wiping out the enemies on the other side of the ocean (aka the whole rest of the world) would mean that they're finally free. This episode is still a great plot twist though.
Zeke: Our father manipulated you Eren! Eren: Sorry? didn't hear that, busy gaslighting our dad into killing the Reiss' except for Rod Zeke: Surprised Pikachu face
Eren has used his family for pawns this entire time. It's the future Eren that is manipulating all of these events, since he controls what past Attack titans can see. To even convince his father to do what he did, he convinced Eren "the Owl" Kruger to be there that day outside the internment camps to allow the tragic event of his aunt's death to occur. This being the primary motivator for his father's massacre, and later sacrifice for young Eren's possession of the Attack titan. There's more, but that's spoiler territory.
Eren has only known what is to come since the day he kissed Historias hand in the palace its not that hes bad ever since the beginning he just feels he has no choice.
I know you're far away from this episode so i think it's safe to say it... but what if Hajime Isayama wrote his story from season 4? And now, all thing make sens. He wrote his story backward and have to get it somehow coherent and that's why everybody pointing of 3 first seasons as prologue to the real story, the season 4. I'm pretty sure he got the final scene before the opening and all was made to lead to thoses scenes and that's why this show can't be matched anytime soon. It's unique, from this type of narration and from the singularity of the idea (which as been seen in the the film "The village"). A real masterpiece show and i love how Lia's friend know, somehow, where it would land when saying Eren was bad all along. At this time, she knew.... Clearly one of the best reactor channel! I loved rewatched the show with you girls.
When you say that Eren was “born bad”, does that mean that being good would be allowing his whole home to be wiped out through war from the entire planet or through sterilization through Zekes plan? Is that the good guy option?
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Grisha begging the son who he militarized and abused to stop the son he showed love and compassion to is so powerful
Grisha probably doesn’t know that Zeke wants to euthanize their entire people. There’s really no win-win scenario here.
@@jimmy3261 I'm sure Grisha would choose Zeke's plan, if those are the only 2 options
Grishas voice actor is just on another level this episode. I 100% believe that man is sobbing and balling his eyes out.
Zeke: The kid that Shiganshina Grisha wanted
Eren: The kid that Marley Grisha wanted
In orden to eldia to survive You need Eren
Ironic, isn't it.
@@SasukeUchiha21072011 correction= eldians not eldia
6:56 As you probably have realised, in the anime it's not really possible to see what way Grisha is looking in EP1. HOWEVER, in the first chapter of the manga, it is. And you can clearly see him looking at where Eren is in this episode, and in the corresponding chapter (121)
Eren knew from the moment he kissed Historia's hand, thats why he became so cold from that moment, the question you should be asking is does Eren really have any free will to change the events that play out if hes literally seen them play out that way, if he had a choice then he wouldn't see that future would he?
Interesante, sin embargo la decisión la tomó Eren del futuro, y como dijo Zeke el pasado no puede cambiar.
@@2031732 Es muy confuso como algo que no sucede aún puede ser cierto o afectar al pasado, eren esta en el presente.
@@guts9160 lo sé por eso es tan bueno este anime, te hace cuestionarte todo xd
It's not if he had a choice then he wouldn't see that future. It is if he chose something else, then he wouldn't see that future. All him seeing that future means is that he chose those actions. Are you positing some supernatural force that stops Eren from choosing otherwise?
@@Bridge2110 That's the philosophical question though. If you see the future that you are going to make a certain choice, and then the moment arrives and you do exactly as you foresaw, did you really have a choice to begin with?
If we start from the premise that, in this world, someone has the power to accurately know or see the future, then is it possible for that person to act in any way to change the future? If they have the ability to choose differently to change the outcome, then what they previously saw was not actually the future, which contradicts the initial premise. Keep in mind that "seeing the future" is a supernatural idea already. A lot of fiction has played with this idea and come up with different answers. Sometimes the ability is a bit broader, like, they can see possible futures but those futures remain in flux. Sometimes the prophet has a blind spot if it involves their own actions. And sometimes nothing can be changed, the future is set in stone, free will doesn't truly exist.
(Spoilers) In later episodes we see flashbacks of Eren struggling with this very idea. He often seems very unhappy with how things are going but he seems unable to act otherwise. IIRC Armin even called him out on it, asking how he can say he's truly free.
Isayama be like: ✍🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
"I'm not trapped here with you Zeke... your trapped with me." - Eren
This is what makes a series a masterpiece. The number of 10/10 episodes in this series is crazy.
13:39 Eren's T-Pose of Dominance! 🤣
Grisha asked Zeke to stop Eren but he could have just decided not to give the titan to kid Eren. The reason he went along with Eren’s plan and passed the titan to kid Eren was because after the Royal family massacre, he met with kid Eren and found out the walls had been broken and his wife had been killed. This made him want vengeance against Marley so he went along with Eren’s plan.
This is a good take. I like to think grisha realized that it was already too late to change anything, and the only way forward was with the plan that Eren had shown him.
correct, because Grisha says to kid Eren - you have to avenge Carla.
Kind of a stretch in my opinion. He had already lost a wife before and he knows what Eren will do in the future. Couldn't he choose someone else?
@@Сайтамен he saw Eren’s plan and didn’t want to go along with it that’s why he asked Zeke to stop him. But when he met up with kid Eren he tells him to avenge Carla. He found out his wife died and decided to go along with it entrusting the titan to Eren.
you can’t change the future, its already decided. 🚨 SPOILER: do you remember when Eren didn't want to protect Ramzi in Marley from being beaten for stealing? he saved him anyway and then he was sure that there was nothing he could do to change the course of events.
Zeke reaction in this episode was like:😮😮😮😮
zeke and we all
Then 😧😳😢😱😳
So was Molly's 🤣
"He's like the freaking devil, whats happenning Molly!", hahaha, pure gold.
Molly's jaw-drop face always amazes me
If you look at the first chapter of the manga, Grisha's eyes are in shadow and you can actually see him looking off to the side as he holds the key up and speaks. Such good planning from the author. He really had all this outlined from the beginning.
Loved your analysis on this episode! They were all spot on.
Side note: season 1 ep 9, Grisha says to Eren, “if you want to save Mikasa and armin, you must master this power…” aka the same thing Kruger told Grisha. Isayama was setting the twist that Eren has always had influence over the past attack titans
I love how you guys are invested into this and how you pick up things correctly. Please, don't stop
“If it’s beneficial to our group.”
Its 80% beneficial
😂20%
Only Ymir knows 🙄
this is genuinely one of the greatest works of fiction in modern history. especially this episode. no exaggeration at all.
Also, Eren showed Grisha that Rod Reiss should have survived in order for him to kidnap both him and Historia. All these little details lead to Eren kissing Historia's hand and his future is revealed to him. Thus, a perfect circle.
Rod just ean away earlier.
this is the most peak, best story ever written, nothing will ever come close to the greatness of this show, no other anime or tv series
Kreuger's words of "If you want to save Armin and Mikasa...." were spoken by Grisha to Eren when he gave him the injection. So it was Kreuger seeing his future inheritor's memories.
Grisha & Eren are the only ones to realise that Attack Titan contains future memories.
The 'save Armin, Mikasa' by Kruger - was a thought sent by Founder Eren from the future, through the Attack Titan.
Kruger says that to Grisha.
Grisha later realises why Kruger says that... as over his life, he realises that he is able to see that some memories are from his son, Eren in the future.
He understood that it was Eren that made Kruger say that... so when he passes the Titans to Eren he says those lines to Eren... The line of thinking of Grisha is.... "I know that Eren from future is making me go this path, all the stuff that is happening is because you're making it happen... I know it was you who spoke to Kruger about saving Mikasa, Armin... so carry on, avenge Carla, if you want to save Armin, Mikasa and everyone, you have to master this power"...
tldr; it wasn't Grisha's memories... plus, both lines are different... Kruger says to ' fulfill the mission' ... but Grisha says 'you've to master this power'... meaning Grisha has his own understanding and. agency... while Kruger was parroting a thought from an unknown source.
Poor Courtney .. She Missed All This Peak MASTERPIECE RIGHTING 🔥🔥
"He's doing this for himself"... can't wait to see you eat your own words.
Happy New Year 🎆🎈🎊 🎉🥳
Grisha seeing Mikasa as his daughter always kills me. T_T ... Just like his freaking voice actor does. Such a good performance.
It's not super well explained and you have to really pay attention to the dialog and various scenes, but it's not like the attack titan holders see the future, but rather that attack titan holders can send memories back to previous holders to influence them, even before they have the titan, including himself (remember the beginning of the very first episode of season 1 with Eren under the tree?). That's why Grisha asked why Eren didn't show him everything, like what became of Carla - something he only learns back at the refugee camp before he lets young Eren eat him. That's why Grisha was able to see Zeke, he basically got memories from Eren, looking through Eren's eyes who looked at the two of them. Or when he was at the door with the key, he saw a memory of looking at himself in that moment (that sounds super creepy btw). It's not time travel, but still a time paradox, because all of what played out, was only possible to play out because Zeke would take Eren through those memories in the future. So, yeah. AoT is Eren's villain origin story. But Eren only knew when he kissed Historia's hand, that's when he saw it too. That's why he looked so shook in that moment, and then became all quiet and grew his hair out in that following year.
I actually suspected this a few seasons ago already, at least to a degree, because they kept prepping Eren up to this. All this "in order to defeat monsters you have to become a monster yourself" and Eren constantly being "I KILL THEM ALL, I WIPE THEM ALL OFF OF THE EARTH!" or "If we defeat our enemies over there (aka the rest of the world), will we finally be free?" - all while everyone was putting this immense pressure on him about being the savior of humanity, even though he was just a traumatized kid.
The crazy thing about this concept however are the possible implications. Like, how far back goes Eren's influence? Is he responsible for Marley suddenly gaining half of the titan powers and fighting back against the Eldian Empire in the great titan war, ultimately having them retreat back to the island?
16:47 That's why I comment to the episode where Eren gets eaten, that they do a good job of making Eren look like the "protagonist". It's a double meaning. Without context you read it as "oh, because he dies", but with context it turns into "oh, because he's the antagonist". :)
Happy New Year Lia and Molly!!
The Attack Titan is basically a counter to the Royad Bloodline. They could erase people's memories yet the Attack Titan has memories of the future not the past. That is why they never bowed to the King.
Molly's face this entire reaction: 😧
You tow are good together and your reaction is making me love the show more and more.
thanks to zeke taking eren to that memory of the cave, that moment is transformed into a memory and that memory is the one that eren sends to grisha...grisha is seeing himself from eren's perspective, eren cannot see the whole future nor the heavy one...nor can they influence what has already happened or is going to happen.
(13:45) "I have no reactions" while having a very clear reaction hahaha. We can see it in your faces even when you're not talking in the moment lol.
hooly double upload
i get you guys, these episode are and will be crazy
Side note for the voice actor of grisha. He got a lot of praise for that one scene and it was a huge shock and injustice that he didn't win any awards or get any nominations
I saw on your Patreon you did an All Openings Reaction/Rating video. I hope you guys also do an All Endings video too. The first ED for the first season explains the whole series and is so touching! Love the work and effort you put into your videos!
There's a couple times in the show, example: when Mikasa was telling Eren that Annie is the enemy, and that they have to fight her and he was all like "I don't wanna"
But when he starts to see the "reality" of the world at that time, you can hear the rumbling while he pumps himself up to make Annie out to be the enemy.
Mikasa actually shows Eren this behavior of like, getting close and whispering sweet nothings to manipulate someone. She gasses him up.
Then here, when he's listening to the Royal family talk about just taking the loss for the world and you can hear the rumbling yet again.
Eren actually doesn't know that he could do that to his dad, as he's doing it, it's fresh to him too. This is why earlier when Zeke and Grisha see each other the first time, Eren is surprised, which means he didn't know that would happen. But he then connected two and two and saw the confirmation, just based on the past, Eren is able to determine that he "does/did" something along the memories they were looking at. Zeke doing this is enabling Eren, twisted fate.
@@jameseddleman6944 But he saw the future in his father's memories and heard his own voice. He knew what he had to do.
@@jameseddleman6944 He literally said "I saw myself in my father's memories".
@Сайтамен thats what im saying numb nuts
@@Сайтамен First off you need to address the "surprise" on Eren's face when Grisha saw Zeke. Why would Eren be caught off guard if he saw himself manipulate his father before? It makes 0 sense
You're argument is fallible, due to that split second scene. Go back and watch if you don't believe me.
But also, go back and watch when Annie first is revealed, Eren is under the rubble trying to make sense of everything, and watch what Mikasa does to make him think of Annie as an enemy.
Please, just don't argue just because you were mistaken, I hate that, I'm honestly just helping you. we both know I am right.
I love the whole concept of Eren doing to past Attack Titans what the king did to future Royal Titans. He bounds them to never renounce war. And the ending… this is my favorite episode of the show
The creation story of Attack on Titan and Hajime Isayama is incredible, as well as the protagonist Eren Yeager, how he was created, is the biggest twist in this manga/anime....
One of the better reactions i've seen to this episode (and i've seen too many).
Happy new year girls!! I love your channel! Have an amazing 2025 🫰🏼🫰🏼
“IS EREN THE VILLAIN”?!
Yeah, about that. Nailed it on the head when you said, “he was born into this world but that doesn’t make him good”
nope... they nailed it wrong... nature and nurture both play a part.
It was nurture & nature of the world that pushed him to the path he set himself on
ill try to explain everything :
1 When someone inherits a Titan, they gain the memories of its previous holders.
2 The Attack Titan is unique because its holder can also see memories from future inheritors.
When Eren touched Historia, he unlocked all of Grisha's memories, including the future memories Grisha had seen through Eren (a future inheritor of the Attack Titan). This is why Eren knew how to act to ensure Zeke would take him to view the memories and replay the pivotal moment-convincing Grisha to take the Founding Titan. ( time loop?)
It’s important to note that Grisha didn’t literally see Eren or Zeke in the moment. Instead, he experienced the future memories as they were perceived by Eren. This is why Grisha only sees Zeke when Eren is looking directly at him.
What doesn’t make sense to me:
When Grisha tells Zeke to stop Eren, he hasn’t yet given the Attack Titan to Eren. So why didn’t he simply choose not to inject Eren with the serum and transfer the Titan?
Possible explanation:
Perhaps after returning and discovering Carla's death, Grisha was overcome with grief and anger, which led him to proceed with the plan and give Eren the Attack Titan.
Your possible explanation about him giving the titan after all that is one of the most fan theories way back in reddit. It's the only plausible explanation. He lost his wife for the 2nd time so it's understandable for Grisha to give eren the power
Grisha's time was up as holder. Maybe a year left. Also, if he refused to give it to Eren, then Grisha would never get the Attack Titan because Eren would not exist to make the Owl give it to Grisha.
Think of Grisha's questions to the Owl.
"Why did you keep cutting off the fingers of your own people in service to Marley? Why did you do all of this?"
And the Owl told him that he wasn't sure, that he felt like he was just marking time and waiting for something.
Eren ruined whatever normal life the Owl may have had. Just blanked the Owl as a person, and forced him into a holding pattern, in hiding. He was just a placeholder for the Attack Titan, to last those thirteen years, forcing the Owl to become disconnected from reality and just slowly trudge forward. And, Eren would be the one to inform the Owl of Dina Kruger, and have her sent to the Restorationists, causing Zeke to be born.
We see three holders of the Attack Titan, and how awful their lives were.
The Attack Titan's powers are broken as hell. Adding in the abilities of the Founder just made it worse. I also wonder if Eren experimented with eating say, the Jaw or the Colossal, and decided that those were unneeded for his plan to work.
@GerPad23 some people even say destiny or maybe mental memories torture from eren untill he do it
@@highlander31527 is it safe to say since eren is the last attack titan holder he shaped actions of past holders from ymir time on ?
If a person inherits the previous titan owners memories when they inherit their titan, why was historia necessary for eren to see his dads memories?
This hit every serotonin level 😂
YOU MUST REWATCH after you finish the series. It’s insane the amount of stuff you pickup on knowing what you know now. There’s so much stuff that isayama purposely hid, knowing that we’d pickup on it AFTER the series was over. Example: Bertholdt about to bite his hand to turn, in season 2
It's fun even if you just start with the plot twist about our warrior group. So many dialogs & little facial expressions suddenly completely change their meaning if you are aware of the context behind them.
Y''all are the first reactors I've seen to notice that Grisha calls Mikasa his daughter 🥺
acc to your perspective
If you check the first manga chapters, you clearly see Grisha staring at old Eren while talking about the basement
"Wait so it was 'Erin all along?"
"Always has been."
nope
Eren didnt know since he was born, he has known since he kissed Historias hand and he got the memories of the future. Since then the past, present and the future is all the same for him.
The attack titan has memories of the future because Eren, having both the attack and founding titans, sent the memories back to the previous attack titans. And Zeke showing him all of these memories is what enabled him to do that. So every time Grisha sees Eren or Zeke in this episode it's because he's seeing Eren's memory of seeing Grisha's own memory via Zeke, lol.
Okay, for the last time I am going to give some reactors my silly but potentially useful analogy: *Eren is a secret YT reactor* 🤣 So to start, Zeke comes up to Eren one day in the Paths and was like, "Yo Eren, Ymir gave me this uncut video of Grisha's memories starting from your birth, ya wanna watch it?" and Eren was like "all right", and so they watched it together. But unbeknownst to Zeke, Eren recorded their reactions, sent the reaction video back in time into Grisha's head, and then pressed PLAY right at the moment of his birth, so that Grisha was living out his life and watching Eren and Zeke's *reaction to* his life simultaneously 🤯 Which included Eren's (and Zeke's) running commentary on his life, which is how Eren was able to influence Grisha. And then "later" (earlier?) Eren gets Grisha's memories (or some of them) when he kisses Historia's hand, and those memories include Grisha's interactions with future Eren, so that's how Eren was able to know Zeke was going to show him the memories to begin with. Crazy, huh? 😆Hope this helps!
I wouldnt describe Eren as born evil. Extreme? Sure - he has shown he strongly believes in justice (his percieved sense of), protecting his loved ones, and survival/freedom of those around him.
However, add on the fact that he started with main character syndrome, but realized he is not superman after suffering trauma after trauma, even with titan abilities. When you've lost that much at such a young age, it would be hard not to become jaded and even more extreme.
Remember in S3, when Armin was being argued over for revival, Eren noted Armin wasnt like him because "the only thoughts i have left are full of hate", but this was before he even went to the basement.
I'm not justifying Eren's behavior, but with what he has suffered through, combined with his personality which has good ideals but with an "at any cost" mentality, it is understandable how he ended up here.
Nature vs nurture and all that but his nature was not nurtured properly 😂
There are evil characters and actions on the show, but I agree, Eren and most of the characters are traumatized, cursed, oppressed, and those things can turn people towards evil or careless actions
Man i swear your camera is alive it can even react with you guys 😂
As good as the foreshadowing is in the show, the way it was portrayed in the manga is even more audacious in hindsight, particularly where Grisha was shown not to be looking at young Eren while talking about the basement/key.
Grisha did not delay his mission to take the Founding because of doubt, Eren made sure to show him exactly when and how.
*Big reveal happens* Molly.exe has stopped working 😂
I’ll just say….when kid Eren says he’ll kill them all. He was not kidding.
Eren only knew when he kissed Historia's hand at the end of season 3. He was in the dark before then. Eren thinks he's free, but is actually a slave to his unending ideal of absolute freedom.
Also, Grisha is able to see Zeke because he's looking through Eren's memories. Every time Grisha is able to see him, Eren is standing in line of sight of both of them.
I was almost on tears rewatching it. Grisha voice actor went insane. And the author showed us another side of Grisha. Naaah too good. Unreal manga/anime. Eren knew only from the touch of Historia. And thats when he changed.
The best Plot Twist ..... By Isayama 🤣
Is a misconception that Eren who kissed Historia hand knew the whole future.He got acces to Grisha memories and he saw the future that actual Erem sent to Grisha.Eren knew only what Grisha knew.
I thought we were done with the camera thing lol
not spoiler: theres actually a theory that in season 1, there are times where you will see a person in a hood the same as present eren in the background looking at young eren, mikasa and armin, and other scenes that i am not exactly sure where but that same man with hood is just in the background in some scenes
Future Eren does appear in the background of some shots. Forgot which episodes
why isn't Zeke with him?
14:20 please remember these words when you sing this serie's praises in the end.
I love your reactions... in this episode is the real Eren Jaeger
To be clear, Eren has only had knowledge of what was going to happen since he kissed Historia's hand. Everything before that he was himself.
This is where you realize who the (non)"villain" is
Grisha sees zeke and eren faintly though eren’s memories
"im going through something "ahahah
happy new year!🤗
Eren: 'Look at me, Look at me. Im the daddy now.'
btw, everytime eren touches a royalty, he sees the past or future of a coordinate holder, thats why the kissing the hand scene was shown and then eren looks so pissed and angry at a moment after he kissed her hand
Correction : you guys got it right in the end. Eren did not have foresight in season 1,2,3 until Historia kiss scene. But you should also deduce that he doesn't have full foresight. Because there are numerous instances in season 4, Eren is actually surprised and has shock face multiple times. eg. (a moment during willy tybur, jaw titan's power, marley re-attacking as soon as they did, gabi's shot, ymir bypassing him... etc)
Eren is born the way he is, that's his nature to be not caged in... But you're wrong about him being 'Evil'... Eren became a 'dEvil' because the reality of the world is that it's a 'cruel' world.
Take the Eren saving Mikasa incident - 1. Eren uses violence to kill and save someone 2. Eren befriends Mikasa and gives her the scarf.
The world is cruel & beautiful. Same applies to Eren. Eren does beautiful things, but because the world is messed up, he has to do cruel things.
The whole reason Eren moves as a rebel, is because Paradis is a cage, meant for slaughter. He can't accept that, so he fights.
BACK IN SEASON 3, WHEN EREN KISSED HISTORIA'S HAND, HE EITHER SAW:
A. FUTURE EREN THROUGH GRISHA'S POV
B. SAW GRISHA THROUGH FUTURE EREN'S POV
that's why his whole demeanor changed during the last episode of season 3
it's A.
bcoz Eren says to Zeke - "4 years ago, my father's memories opened up to me'
We keep moving forward.
isn' this the story you started? goes so hard
Grisha can see Zeke from erens perspective since he can see what eren can see even in the future.
There were always red flags with Eren that are more noticeable if you rewatch the whole show again.
Yeah, I suspected him becoming the villain pretty early because they really prepped him up to that role even in season 1 already. But I was fully convinced at the sea when he questions if wiping out the enemies on the other side of the ocean (aka the whole rest of the world) would mean that they're finally free. This episode is still a great plot twist though.
Memories of the future means fate and destiny
Zeke: Our father manipulated you Eren!
Eren: Sorry? didn't hear that, busy gaslighting our dad into killing the Reiss' except for Rod
Zeke: Surprised Pikachu face
In 2022, eren yeager was nominated for best protagonist and best antagonist🗿🗿
Eren has used his family for pawns this entire time. It's the future Eren that is manipulating all of these events, since he controls what past Attack titans can see. To even convince his father to do what he did, he convinced Eren "the Owl" Kruger to be there that day outside the internment camps to allow the tragic event of his aunt's death to occur. This being the primary motivator for his father's massacre, and later sacrifice for young Eren's possession of the Attack titan. There's more, but that's spoiler territory.
Eren double crossed Paradis, Grisha, and now Zeke to rewrite the plot. Damn!
side note molly got cute ears 😅
Just in time I just finished watching the last episode
@9:56 your dog is interested to know too
No way that 9 years old boy stabbing a man right in the heart with a knife multiple times could be a psycho 😭😭😭😭
Many kids are able to kill in extreme circumstances like seeing dead bodies on the floor.
When is the next episode coming out
Isayama is a genius
13:53 Always has been 😂
The girl on the left had already seen the series before, the one with glasses is honest
Charge👏your👏battery👏 lol
Eren has only known what is to come since the day he kissed Historias hand in the palace its not that hes bad ever since the beginning he just feels he has no choice.
I know you're far away from this episode so i think it's safe to say it... but what if Hajime Isayama wrote his story from season 4? And now, all thing make sens. He wrote his story backward and have to get it somehow coherent and that's why everybody pointing of 3 first seasons as prologue to the real story, the season 4. I'm pretty sure he got the final scene before the opening and all was made to lead to thoses scenes and that's why this show can't be matched anytime soon. It's unique, from this type of narration and from the singularity of the idea (which as been seen in the the film "The village"). A real masterpiece show and i love how Lia's friend know, somehow, where it would land when saying Eren was bad all along. At this time, she knew.... Clearly one of the best reactor channel! I loved rewatched the show with you girls.
15:00 Armin is the narrator.
His plan can't be good cuz grisha asked zeke to stop him
When you say that Eren was “born bad”, does that mean that being good would be allowing his whole home to be wiped out through war from the entire planet or through sterilization through Zekes plan? Is that the good guy option?
@Lia
16:45, Breaking Bad.. Did saw Breaking Bad?
guys am new to this channel and i just want to know what happened to their other friend why is she not reacting with them anymore? just curious
future, present and past happen at the ssame time, its a paradox, past affect the future but the future affect the past.the time its not linear.
Great reaction