for people that reload that find it hard to source 8mm mauser brass you can cut down 30-06 brass and reform it in a standard 8mm mauser full length sizing die :)
@@314299 You're not wrong! I set up a jig that i can use a cut off wheel to get me most of the way and use a lee length gauge to get me the remainder after its been up the die to give it its new shape. Takes a while but its all part of the hobby! plus with 30-06 is not a large jump in neck diameter so ive never had to anneal or had problem splitting cases when reforming :)
YEP. Had to do that this year, Try to find ANY brass is tough now. Have lots of 30-06 L.C. loaded rounds still on the machine gun clips. Pulled the bullets, saved the powder for another day, left the primers in. Like you said, lube, F.L. size, trim, load, shoot !
@@Saltfactorynz Making and using a jig for that job is the smart way to go. I've seen people use those small metal cut abrasive cut off saws and a jig to expedite cutting down quantities of brass.
Nice to see this anatomy of the cartridge that is so popular. It does , pretty much, explain why the grouping is less than perfect. Nice video, thanks !
🇦🇺😎👍Just for reference.. I shot PPU 6.5x55 139grain spbt through my rifle at 100 yards and achieved a 19mm group on 3 occasions and I’ve done that through 2 rifles. I don’t know yet know any velocities or what they will do in the field or at distance but I smiled considering most people said that ammo was junk…. Also to achieve that using a 6.5x20x50 optics to give me a a good sight picture. Hope that helps
My experience with PPU ammo is that most of it is quite good and accurate, this particular loading being the exception, at least in the limited selection of rifles I have tried it in.
The 8mm Mauser was originally designed to shoot a 200 grain round nose bullet. That bullet needed a very long throat to chamber in rifles. When the Germans changed over to a spire point bullet they didn’t shorten the throat dimensions. 139 and 150 grain bullets usually don’t shoot well in 8mm Mausers because they have to jump the long throat to engage the rifling. Typical, but not always, 175 grain bullets and heavier shoot much better because they don’t have to jump as far as the 150 bullets. When a bullet jumps the throat it distorts the bullet shape when it engages the rifling.
Thanks for the great video. I recently bought this stuff for my K98k without the guy at the store packed the soft point. Mine is brand new with newer box design. hope it performs decently. Haven't tried it yet.
I have some Prvi 196 SP as well, and I think it's even older than yours (it is in green boxes). I might just shoot some of it soon. I've aso got some Igman 150 grain SP to try as well.
I do believe I have bought, loaded and fired more Hornady bullets than all others combined. They were the best combination of quality and price, although the price has been going up over the last few years.
I bought one box of PPU 8 mm Mauser, 196 gr. SP when no FMJ was available and it would not print on a one foot square target @100 yds. thru either of my 98 Ks. I only shoot FMJ in my 98 Ks now. However, PPU SP in 7.65 mm Argentine and 6.5 Swedish perform very well. They are only a hair off of the accuracy of the FMJ. You must have bought that box at a retail store for it to cost that much money. It is much cheaper onlne.
I paid $5 a box for this stuff at a gun show, the sticker was the original retail price at a gun shop that closed down. PPU 7.62x54R FMJ has been very accurate for me in my 91/30 sniper rifle, so it's true that some PPU is accurate, some not so much.
ive shot the 198gr FMJ 8mm Mauser our of my M48 and it was decent at 100 yards. kept within 1 -2 inch group. Shoulder wasnt happy about it after 20 rounds tho
Looks very reminiscent of a 7.62x39 bullet that has been struck/swaged to .322dia and the weight spec isn't much more. I wonder if it is made off the same jacket with a slightly heavier core. It would be nice to see a fired bullet to see if it exhibits any sign's of skidding in the rifling which could really attribute to poor accuracy besides a less than optimal bullet for the cartridge. Interesting!
Yes it would be interesting to see a fired bullet, however I have no good way to recover one at this time of year. In the winter a big snow bank makes a great bullet recovery medium.
There must be a few of them out there (originals and reproductions) as Prvi makes 7.92x33 ammo. I've seen it in my local gun shop and someone bought it.
An interesting rifle. A friend of mine has an original STG-44, I had a chance to shoot it, impressions were that it is a very heavy rifle for the caliber.
There's a reason why the mauser didn't shoot the 139 gr. No fault of the ammo. Long story short, The 8mm Mauser was designed to shoot 200+ gr. projectile, then they switched to 190 or 165 grain, I'm sure someone else will correct me , but any ways, no big surprise it didn't like the light stuff. no fault of PPU.
It turns out that the big issue is that the bullet is too small in diameter - .322" instead of the usual .323". The short and light factor probably does not help either.
Shitty ammo, shitty powder, unbalanced...from 100 pcs I`ve hardly manage to pari 29 pcs with same weight, powder, etc...GROM has good projectile...everything else is shit. Bore cleaning after shooting this shit is horror. Anyway...cheap ammo, not to complain for that kind of money
It's an odd load. I'm still uncertain why they even make it. The light bullet weight could be excused if the velocity was much higher. At any rate after I fire it I have the brass and that is certainly worth $5 to me.
for people that reload that find it hard to source 8mm mauser brass you can cut down 30-06 brass and reform it in a standard 8mm mauser full length sizing die :)
I've done the same with .270 Winchester brass, It's still a lot of trimming.
@@314299 You're not wrong! I set up a jig that i can use a cut off wheel to get me most of the way and use a lee length gauge to get me the remainder after its been up the die to give it its new shape. Takes a while but its all part of the hobby! plus with 30-06 is not a large jump in neck diameter so ive never had to anneal or had problem splitting cases when reforming :)
YEP. Had to do that this year, Try to find ANY brass is tough now. Have lots of 30-06 L.C. loaded rounds still on the machine gun clips. Pulled the bullets, saved the powder for another day, left the primers in. Like you said, lube, F.L. size, trim, load, shoot !
@@Saltfactorynz Making and using a jig for that job is the smart way to go. I've seen people use those small metal cut abrasive cut off saws and a jig to expedite cutting down quantities of brass.
Nice to see this anatomy of the cartridge that is so popular. It does , pretty much, explain why the grouping is less than perfect.
Nice video, thanks !
I think most of the problem is with those undersized bullets.
Sure looks like that's the problem.
I'd like to see more bullet/cartridge review videos.
🇦🇺😎👍Just for reference.. I shot PPU 6.5x55 139grain spbt through my rifle at 100 yards and achieved a 19mm group on 3 occasions and I’ve done that through 2 rifles. I don’t know yet know any velocities or what they will do in the field or at distance but I smiled considering most people said that ammo was junk…. Also to achieve that using a 6.5x20x50 optics to give me a a good sight picture. Hope that helps
My experience with PPU ammo is that most of it is quite good and accurate, this particular loading being the exception, at least in the limited selection of rifles I have tried it in.
The 8mm Mauser was originally designed to shoot a 200 grain round nose bullet. That bullet needed a very long throat to chamber in rifles. When the Germans changed over to a spire point bullet they didn’t shorten the throat dimensions. 139 and 150 grain bullets usually don’t shoot well in 8mm Mausers because they have to jump the long throat to engage the rifling. Typical, but not always, 175 grain bullets and heavier shoot much better because they don’t have to jump as far as the 150 bullets. When a bullet jumps the throat it distorts the bullet shape when it engages the rifling.
Yes, those are some valid observations and might indeed explain the less than stellar accuracy of these 139 grain loads.
Thanks for the great video. I recently bought this stuff for my K98k without the guy at the store packed the soft point. Mine is brand new with newer box design. hope it performs decently. Haven't tried it yet.
I hope it shoots better in your rifle than it did in my Kar98k.
K98k works best with heavy ball (196 gr bullets). My Yugo M24/47 and VZ-24 seems to like heavier bullets loaded to European specs.
Stephen Maurer thanks. I'll have to find some.
i have four boxes of the older white box prvi partisan that is loaded with 196 gr SP and green primer sealant, its pretty warm stuff.
I have some Prvi 196 SP as well, and I think it's even older than yours (it is in green boxes). I might just shoot some of it soon. I've aso got some Igman 150 grain SP to try as well.
Very very nice and detailed. I only buy Hornady Bullets.
I do believe I have bought, loaded and fired more Hornady bullets than all others combined. They were the best combination of quality and price, although the price has been going up over the last few years.
I bought one box of PPU 8 mm Mauser, 196 gr. SP when no FMJ was available and it would not print on a one foot square target @100 yds. thru either of my 98 Ks. I only shoot FMJ in my 98 Ks now. However, PPU SP in 7.65 mm Argentine and 6.5 Swedish perform very well. They are only a hair off of the accuracy of the FMJ. You must have bought that box at a retail store for it to cost that much money. It is much cheaper onlne.
I paid $5 a box for this stuff at a gun show, the sticker was the original retail price at a gun shop that closed down. PPU 7.62x54R FMJ has been very accurate for me in my 91/30 sniper rifle, so it's true that some PPU is accurate, some not so much.
I.fired the 196 grain load advertised at 2300 fps I got 1950fps through a k98 Maurer in.excellent condition
Wow, that's severely under loaded.
ive shot the 198gr FMJ 8mm Mauser our of my M48 and it was decent at 100 yards. kept within 1 -2 inch group. Shoulder wasnt happy about it after 20 rounds tho
Heavier bullet weights certainly add up to recoil, assuming the velocity is there.
Looks very reminiscent of a 7.62x39 bullet that has been struck/swaged to .322dia and the weight spec isn't much more. I wonder if it is made off the same jacket with a slightly heavier core. It would be nice to see a fired bullet to see if it exhibits any sign's of skidding in the rifling which could really attribute to poor accuracy besides a less than optimal bullet for the cartridge. Interesting!
Yes it would be interesting to see a fired bullet, however I have no good way to recover one at this time of year. In the winter a big snow bank makes a great bullet recovery medium.
U winder if that bullet was designed for 8x33? It would seem to be a much better fit for that caliber.
Almost no one has a STG-44, so I doubt it.
Prvi loads the 7.92x33 Kurz but they use a 124 grain bullet, so I doubt that was where the bullet originated.
There must be a few of them out there (originals and reproductions) as Prvi makes 7.92x33 ammo. I've seen it in my local gun shop and someone bought it.
HMG is making a very faithful reproduction STG-44 and 7.92 Kurz will be an offered caliber.
An interesting rifle. A friend of mine has an original STG-44, I had a chance to shoot it, impressions were that it is a very heavy rifle for the caliber.
There's a reason why the mauser didn't shoot the 139 gr. No fault of the ammo. Long story short, The 8mm Mauser was designed to shoot 200+ gr. projectile, then they switched to 190 or 165 grain, I'm sure someone else will correct me , but any ways, no big surprise it didn't like the light stuff. no fault of PPU.
PPU makes and sells the load so I don't think they can be excused for it's poor performance.
BULLET TOO SHORT OR LIGHT FOR RIFFLING ?????
It turns out that the big issue is that the bullet is too small in diameter - .322" instead of the usual .323". The short and light factor probably does not help either.
Good vid.
Thanks.
Shitty ammo, shitty powder, unbalanced...from 100 pcs I`ve hardly manage to pari 29 pcs with same weight, powder, etc...GROM has good projectile...everything else is shit. Bore cleaning after shooting this shit is horror. Anyway...cheap ammo, not to complain for that kind of money
It's an odd load. I'm still uncertain why they even make it. The light bullet weight could be excused if the velocity was much higher. At any rate after I fire it I have the brass and that is certainly worth $5 to me.
314299 Shooting Channel I agree completely! Afterall brass is worth that kind of money 😁😁😁😁 :)))